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Javed Akhtar & Maulana Fight Over God’s Existence | SanjayDixit Coaches Chicha, Allah is not Ishwar

The Jaipur Dialogues14:15

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The meaning is that God is omnipotent, so when devotee Prahlad called out to God with devotion, God appeared in the form of Narasimha. Why can't Allah appear? This means there is some problem or weakness in Allah, or your conception of Allah is wrong.

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Our uncle Javed Akhtar has come back in form, and Uncle Javed Akhtar is currently speaking sweet, secular words. By the way, Uncle Javed Akhtar has now debated with Mufti Shafiil Nadvi. And on what topic? Whether Allah exists or not. On the existence of Allah. Brother, this is blasphemy. And if our Uncle Javed Akhtar were not in the 34th generation of Hazrat Umar Farooq, and if our Uncle Javed Akhtar were not a great Ashraf, and if his grandfather's grandfather, Allama Khairabadi, were not there. Then, sir, what would the great Allama Mufti say to him, and the Muhaddith, and so on and so forth. He was called Allama. Allama is a very big title, sir. Allama Khairabadi was the great-grandson of Allama Khairabadi, Fazle Haq Khairabadi. So, he is the great-grandson of Allama Fazle Haq Khairabadi. If you were not these people, your condition would be the same as that of poor Deepu Chandra Das. Because you have committed blasphemy. You should not have done this.

However, you have said many weighty things, but the problem is the same. The problem is the same. Every atheist has the same problem. Because the atheist tells others that, sir, this is your faith. He made a good distinction between faith and belief yesterday. What can be said about Maulana Shafiil Nadvi? He talks nonsense, just like the Mufti. But our uncle could have made some other good points, which I will tell him because I want Uncle to assert his authority over these greedy Muftis when he meets them. And to assert his authority, he needs arguments. He won't find these arguments in Marx, Marx. I know he is an old Marxist, and I also know why he is an old Marxist. Most Muslims become Marxists so that they can drink alcohol comfortably in the evening by saying they are atheists. They keep talking about Islam, Islam in their films.

So, our uncle made a distinction between faith and belief. And Uncle said that blind faith is blind belief, which has no proof. And that which is based on reason, arguments, and what do you call it, logic. That which is based on reason, logic, and all these things is belief. And a very, very interesting argument. I didn't know belief was called this. Belief is belief. Okay, let's accept your point. But if we accept your point, then we would like to know from you, sir, that this statement of yours that there is no God, isn't that also a blind belief? Your arguments for this, that sir, that what we don't see doesn't exist. So, brother, you are not even visible in New York right now. It's a valid point. If you want to see New York, there are facilities nowadays. But in the era when your Quran and Hadith were written, they knew nothing. In fact, if you read the entire Quran and Hadith, it becomes clear that whoever wrote it, or to whomsoever the revelation came, he knew nothing beyond Arabia.

Meaning, you say that Allah is omnipotent, omnipresent, on which you gave a very good argument and silenced Mufti Shafiil Nadvi by saying that if he is omnipotent and much more, then why does he kill children? A child dies at three years old. There is no argument of any kind for this in Abrahamic religions. Sir, testing a three-year-old child, what test will you conduct? What examination will you do to put him in hell or heaven? No. This can only be explained by the principle of karma. Uncle, there is no other process. When you understand about prarabdha karma and sanchita karma, then you will have no difficulty in defeating such Maulanas. But you will not accept it because you are a Marxist. And for Marxists, having any connection with Hinduism is completely forbidden.

Then you say that sir, you also say that there is no God. Nadvi sahib says there is God. So, I will say again, take refuge in Sanatana Dharma. Sanatana Dharma clearly states that if your philosophy or if your faith, what you call belief, has any discrepancy with the observable, then, Maharaj Javed Uncle, you have to believe in the observable if it is observable. You have directly seen this. It is written in the Upanishads, "Aham Brahmasmi." But "Aham Brahmasmi" is acceptable only when self-realization occurs, that yes, I am Brahman. Remember, I will tell you. There are many such things. Even in the Bhagavad Gita, I will tell you two or three verses. Remember them, Uncle. Uncle, remember that the Bhagavad Gita says that if you have realized God directly, then you do not even need the Vedas.

"Yatha utpadane sarvataḥ sampratod ke taava sarveshu veshu Brahmanasat" - Just as a person who has a lake of sweet water has as much need for a small well, so much need does that Brahma-knower, who has directly attained God, who is a seer of God, have for the Vedas. You will come back to the same old point: does God exist or not? Here, we say that you yourself are proof that God exists. You are a walking proof. You are God. What is God? God is a totality of consciousness, a mass of totality of consciousness. And you are also a part of that consciousness. If consciousness is in you, and you cannot deny that you are related to that same totality of consciousness.

Okay, you will say, I don't have any such consciousness. Then, sir, do a little penance. Our sages will explain to you. Go to a good yogi. He will show you how to connect your consciousness with the totality of consciousness. Then you will believe. What are you saying, Uncle? You say such things. God is in everyone. He is saying that. Rafel Nadvi will not accept it. Rafel Nadvi says, sir, break the idols. Now we say, brother, we see God in the idol. We see God through the idol. So when we meditate on the idol, God comes there. How can that happen? On one hand, you say omnipresent. On one hand, you say omnipotent. And on the other hand, what is written in the big book? In the big book, it is written that sir, Allah is in a fixed place, in the seventh heaven, in the highest paradise, Firdausi Jannah. He is sitting there. He doesn't move from there. He commands everything from there. He cannot manifest in an idol. But in manifesting in an idol, brother, his omnipotence becomes completely helpless, powerless. Why, brother? If Allah is omnipotent, why can't he manifest in an idol? If Allah is omnipotent, then when devotee Prahlad called out to God with devotion, God appeared in the form of Narasimha. Why can't Allah appear? This means there is some problem with Allah. There is weakness, or your conception of Allah is wrong. It's something to think about, Uncle. Think about this a little.

"Samam sarveshu bhuteshu tantam parmeshwaram" - God has said, "Samam sarveshu bhuteshu" - all beings, "bhut" does not mean that ghost that you show in your films. "Bhut" means all inanimate and animate matter. God is in all beings, "tantam parmeshwaram." So, God resides equally in all inanimate and animate things. "Sarveshu bhuteshu tantam parmeshwaram." "Vinaśyantaṁ vināśyāni paśyati sa paśyati." And this, this "sarvabhuta" is destructive, it is perishable. Even after their destruction, that which remains as an indestructible substance, he who sees that, truly sees. He is the seer, he is the sage. So, become a sage, Uncle. What are you getting entangled in? Talk to us, not these Muftis. We will explain to you. We will bring you back home. Don't worry. If you want to do more, and if you have a problem with idol worship, tell us that too. Because God further says in the Uddhava Gita, "Yavat sarveshu bhuteshu madbhavate." One has said "samam sarveshu bhuteshu," but will this feeling come by just memorizing verses? It won't come by memorizing verses. It says, "Yavat sarveshu bhuteshu madbhavo no pajayate," until you start seeing Me in all beings, inanimate and animate. "Yavat sarveshu bhuteshu madbhavate taavadeva upaasita vaangmana." Until then, worship Me with mind, speech, and action, until this feeling is awakened in that penance.

Therefore, Uncle, leave this. Your atheism, atheism, it's nothing. Some people, these Western world people, they read the Upanishads, and after reading the Upanishads, they said that there can be no more atheistic scripture than this. But the Upanishads themselves do not believe this. They say, sir, we are a part of the Vedas. So, these superficial arguments, these can be defeated by any small Mufti. Look, just ask them this much, sir, tell me, brother, why can't Allah come into an idol? What is his compulsion? The day they answer that, let me know. Jai Hind, Jai Bharat. Jai Hind, Jai Bharat. Vande Mataram.