@AaronClarey The Sitdown / Women Don't Like Men That Much

What up, guys? Welcome to the Audacity Network and welcome to the sitdown. Today, I have my favorite author.

"Favorite?"

Yes. Oh my goodness.

"It's my number one draft pick on the show."

Um, I reference his book all of the time, *A World Without Men*. But, uh, you have what, five books on the market?

"No, I got 10."

Oh my gosh, you have 10.

"Yeah, it was uh first one predates the housing crash, predicting it. So, that was 2007."

20. That was incredible.

"Yeah. A lot of people did, but no one listened to us."

Wow.

"Yeah. So, that was my first book. 2007, 2008."

Wow.

"So, that was Yeah. And then nine real books after that. I have a couple other like compendiums that aren't, you know, like just backup of the blog."

Okay.

"Uh but yeah, the real books about 10."

Wow. Well, welcome to the show, Erin Clary. Um, where before we start, where can the people find you? Uh, my main uh website is assholeconsulting.com.

Okay.

"I like the name."

Yes. And then the uh the YouTube channel you just find Aaron Clary um on YouTube. And then my blog, which no one blogs anymore, but you can find my archives at captainccapitalism.blogspot.com.

Awesome. So how did you like when did you you're an economist. That's your background.

"I was. Yes."

Okay. So when did you start doing that?

Technically when I was 21, I was an intern. I was a sovereign risk analyst and assistant to sovereign risk analyst and I covered Asian countries.

"Uh so that was like my first real uh work into it. Uh then I went into banking a credit analyst route and he banker and then also economist for a bank small bank but uh ended up working as an economist in a bank as well."

And I've heard you say that economists are full of [ __ ].

"They're full of [ __ ]."

Okay. Why?

Because it's not it's like it's like therapy or psych the psychology industry.

"Wait, economy economics is as bad as the psychology?"

Yeah, it's it's efficacy is I'm I'm not saying there isn't things in economics or psychology or any of the social sciences that doesn't have merit or worth. Uh it's not like there aren't things that are worth studying, but to treat it as a real profession that has any kind of practical use or efficacy in the real world, it's it's absolutely horrible. Um, for example, if you look at the psychologists should be ashamed of themselves today in the United States. I don't know about other countries because we're not getting healthier mentally speaking, right? People are more anti-depressants. The self-deion rate is going up. All these metrics are getting worse. It's the same thing with economics. We have higher debt to GDP ratios, lower labor force participation. Um, let's see other there's like some inflation. Obviously.

"Aren't economists just supposed to give like reports? Isn't that just advice? You're so you're Yeah, that's what they do. You're supposed to be an adviser to the people who have the levers of power in whatever institution, whether it's a government or a bank. I'll give you a classic example. If my first book is all about me trying to tell the bankers, hey, don't make that loan. Uh housing prices are overvalued. Uh the rents, price to rents, the the cash flow of these properties, don't rationalize the valuations and the amount that you're lending out on them. uh that and then they should follow that advice but they don't and so that that's in that's in banking where it's more so I would say academia and the government where they've failed where you are to inform the government that you just can't print off money it it's so ridiculously simple you go in but a lot of the economists now are and have been politicized themselves where they're no longer coming in stop printing off money."

"They're like they come up with a way well you can actually print off more money and you can lower the reserve requirement ratio and you could do all these things but it won't trigger inflation because literally pull it out of my ass theory explanation or rationalization."

Okay. That's what happens sometimes where I'll talk to someone that's like they're I can tell they're smart, right? But their theory doesn't make sense. But like because I was an economics major and even like I can't even remember it so long ago, but I remember them explaining to me why they could keep printing off money in school.

"It it I'm not like I was like that doesn't really make sense, but I guess I'll take."

And that that's why more or less I I would say today the the economics profession is is horrendously corrupt and ineffectual. It it's pointless. They're they're I mean what's his name? Paul Krugman who's a Clark medal winner which is like the most prestigious economics award you can get. Uh he was like oh yeah you can print off money and then I think two three years ago he was shocked about all the inflation. It's like dude if you can't.

"But how do they get in these high up positions?"

You you give the people in power the for example let's go back to banking. If I told them what they wanted to hear.

"Then they could continue lending money and because of their economic uh their their compensation package rather is based on sales and volumes, not whether you're actually paid back. Now, I'm greasing the skids for them, making it easier for them, uh giving them the rationalization for them to do what they want to do. Economists do the same thing with politicians."

A politician might say, "Well, geez, won't that cause inflation or don't we have to increase taxes?" And if if you're um a snake of an economist, you go, "No, no, no. There's a special magic economic theory and it'll totally work and you can have your cake and eat it too." And like, "Okay." And then they'll cite well all the social sciences. Here's a study that shows this. Here's some research that shows that. And like this research shows that you can bang yourself in the toe with a sledgehammer and not feel any pain. And people like, "Oh my god, I can like" And they all see it's peer-reviewed. It's like this none of it means anything anymore because it's it's all a self-s serving kind of rationalization particularly in the domain of government academia.

Okay. So, how do you know the difference between an economist who's being honest and economist who's not?

It's it because the economist who's being honest is going to give you advice you don't want to hear. An economist that is lying is like Oprah. You want to hear it. Your big is anything that sounds great. We could print off more money. It's not going to be any inflation. It's not your fault you're unemployed. Uh, it's the patriarchy or pick whatever group. Uh, any degree is a good degree. You, oh, I can major in fluffy bunny studies and get, you know, a4 million dollar year job. Of course, you can. If you don't, it's Trump's fault. Like, anything.

"Nothing productive or good in any system,"

Right?

"Comes from less effort."

Everything that is good comes from work and pain and sacrifice or cost. We just call it cost,

"Right?"

Either physical labor, time, money, intellectual rigor. You have to sit down and think or study and research. Your car doesn't fix itself.

"You have to get under there, bust a knuckle, and and get dirty. And so, anyone who tells you in anything, whether it's economics or not, if it sounds good, chances are it's not true. If it sounds, well, you know, losing weight, how do you lose weight? You work out more and you eat less."

That's it. And that's the truth. And it's the same thing with economics or or any other field I'd imagine.

So, do you think they're all in on it? Like, do you think they all know or do they?

I think both. I think some people actually believe their own farts. I think they actually, you know, like, oh, because they they're academians. They've never tried to practically put it in the into the real world. Uh Joe Biden.

"They're kind of in a bubble."

They are very much in a bubble. They actually believe their own stuff. Um Biden has never worked a real job in his life. He has never been outside of politics. He he's he's just he was he's been in office longer than I've been alive.

"Yeah."

And this guy is leading the freaking C. So I could see people like that who come from genuinely privileged backgrounds, never had to work. Um and then you have like a perfect example would be his wife Joel Biden. She has a doctor in education. That's not a real thing. That's not a that's not a real you know you're not a doctor. You're a makebelieve play school playmate doctor.

"Brother refused to date education majors. He said they're too stupid."

Yeah, they No, and they are. If you look at the IQ, you rank by IQ. Ed, early childhood education majors have the lowest IQ.

"Up top is astrophysicists and economists, I might add. But, um, yes, I do believe these people, a fair amount of them believe their own [ __ ]."

"Uh, and then others, I think Paul Krugman is one of them. He's too smart. Uh, having read his stuff a long time ago."

Oh, who's that?

He's uh probably the most famous boomer economist. Um now Thomas Swell has taken over because he is he is.

"He is awesome. He."

That's my other him and you are like the two my two favorite books like one's from you and one's from him.

I wish I just would like to meet the man before he passes. But um Paul Krugman I think he knows he's too smart the way he writes in his research. I'm like I see what you did there. Like it it's conscious he knows what he's doing. He is making a ton of money telling people in the New York Times or whatever advisory or politician he's making a lot of money. So I I don't think he believes his own [ __ ].

So you predicted 2007 2008 crash and there was a bunch of economists that also predicted it.

"Yeah, it was you."

Yeah, it was it was there was Peter Schiff. I mean, we're got to go back 15 16 years. there were other people out there who were even the economist the publication was worrying about price to price to rents uh and some other indicators. So it wasn't it wasn't like just me.

There were thousands of people who saw it just wasn't popular to point out because once you point it was the same thing with the do bubble which probably predates uh.

Is that the '90s right?

That was the late '90s where if you told someone yeah these companies that don't make no money I don't know how their stock prices keep going up. You need to make money for that to happen.

You think there's going to be an influencer bubble? There's um so I'll meet people that like make so much money off of just doing nothing.

And I mean there's people that are legit, but there's people that just like off of Snapchat making thousands and thousands of dollars a day.

And I'm like this can't go on forever. There has to be some catch.

Yeah. I don't know if there be an economic way to analyze. I'm sure there always is. But I think that's just good times don't last forever. Save your money. Like I have not been pissing away my money for the past 15 years. I'm like what? I get paid to yell on the internet like okay we're saving this ain't going to last forever and surprisingly this lasted a long time but yeah all good things come to an end. Predicting it I I wouldn't know but all would take us another ad apocalypse from YouTube or a great demonetization uh spree. Um I I could see it happening. There's been a piece of me that's wanted to look at what is the up because it's all based on advertising. what is the possible upper limit like what percent of our GDP or economy is going to be YouTube advertisements.

You know how many people you could kind of see it already in uh OnlyFans where it's very asymptotic um the top one or two% make nearly all the money and the bottom 98 don't so I I'm thinking if that money from advertising starts to shrink yeah you could you could have a collapse uh and certainly if people spend their money and borrow money and thinking the times are going, "Oh, I'm making two, you know, two million a year for the rest of my life." Like, no, man. Save your money. Don't don't buy boats. Don't don't get fancy cars. Just save your money and and then if it goes away, you you can be retired for the rest of your life.

Right? Okay. So, you predicted that and then um did you predict like like what do you think's going to happen in the future now?

Just same thing as we are now. Long ago, people asked that and I I'll say the same thing I said about 20 years ago. So, I think we're just going to slowly decay into like a Brazil.

Okay.

"A solid second world country. Um, it's my predictions become true, but it's just a gradual slow. We'll have our ups and downs, but."

You're going to have more inflation. You're going to have less labor force participation. Um, our labor productivity will go down. Our debts are going to go up. The currency is going to become less and less valued. Um, yeah, pretty much we're going to slowly uh come we're going to become an unnotable country. We're not going to become, you know, a third world war torn [ __ ] hole, but we're we're not going to be the the idea of American exceptionalism is over.

When would you predict that would happen?

I I don't like times.

Right.

Because it's it's akin to like well when is this you know I could tell you there's an overhang of snow for an avalanche like that has the potential that's going to be an avalanche someday. Where in which snowflake and where does it fall on that avalanche to achieve the critical mass that it causes it I don't know. It's crashes and economies and all that it's it's more like you can see the potential fuel for an explosion where the spark's going to come to ignite it is another issue so it's real hard. You ever see um uh what was the movie? It was about The Big Short.

"Yeah."

Did you see it where the numbers and the data started coming in like people weren't paying their loans back and the quantitative analyst was correct, but.

"Wall Street kept bidding up the price of housing assets."

You can have the data coming in saying, "Oh my gosh, it's all over." But psychology, the mental uh the the psychology of the market will keep it going up and being irrational. Even after the empirical evidence comes out says this is wrong, this is bad. And so, um, yeah, it's it's real hard to predict when essentially when are the normies going to pull their heads out of their ass? That's the question you're asking. Like, I don't know normie behavior.

"When will they pull their heads out of their ass?"

Yeah. When did the normies say, "Hey, wait a second. We can't print off all the money. Hey, did you know getting a master's degree in education doesn't get a look at look at education,

"Right?"

I wrote worthless 2011. That's 13 years ago.

"It warned everyone about worthless degrees."

People take a wild guess. National Center for Education Statistics.

"Up, not down."

Well, no, the.

"Okay."

Overall enrollment has gone down and the enrollment and choosing of majors that are poor have gone down, but microscopically so. Mhm.

"We're we're 13 years after that came out and about 85% of the kids who go to college still major in worthless degrees."

85%?

85. You have the news the news I mean and there's debate on what one considers a worthless degree. I consider it are you going to have a job at the end of it.

"Um but we have had news media coverage about the education crisis and the the student loan crisis $1.6 trillion. um young people, the zoomers now who are the collegegoing age. It's not like they haven't seen the millennials like bodies on the floor like a battlefield with just all these millennial bodies who've been ruined by their worthless degrees and their student loan. Yet they still they still go and and 85% of the time about you know plus or minus uh they're choosing these joke of joke degrees. And so it takes a long time for normies to wake up to bad things. And it's it's impossible for an economist or anyone else to predict when that will be. When did poofy bangs go out of style? When when did the queen bee of the 80s decide I don't like poofy bangs anymore? And oh, and then it cascaded. It's impossible to predict that trend, but you can look at the numbers. You can look at the data and say there's a mismatch here and it's got to correct something."

I don't believe it's that high. 85%.

Yeah. It's mostly women getting the worthless degree.

No, last last stats I pulled uh 60% of men's choices are pretty worthless and women's like 90 92 or so. I'd have to again look at the data.

Still 60% of guys.

The vast majority of all people are wasting their time in college and they are crippling themselves financially. Men and women. Men, you could go up and say, "Hey, stop majoring in political science." You tell a girl that, "Why do you always my dream? I hate you. You're patriarchy." All right, fine. Go be poor and debtridden and go join OnlyFans. I don't care.

I'm curious if you think my Cuz you would say economics. That's a good degree.

"In hindsight. No. Horrible degree. Horrible degree."

I mean, I didn't use it anyway.

Yeah. No, I I would not recommend an economics degree at all. You got to get a doctorate. I got lucky. I don't have a doctor. I don't even have a degree. I have a minor in economics. I just ended up doing it.

Okay.

It was It was weird. Um, but generally, you got to get at least a master's, if not a doctorate. Then you go, you gota, you're gonna go work for some stodgy, boring, go work for the Fed, you go work for a bank. For the most part, if you do any real work.

"You say, 'God, we can't increase the debt anymore,' you'll get fired or you'll be lectured." And no, it's it's just totally not worth asking questions.

Yeah. No, you would make a horrible economist. Do do anything. I made a horrible economist. There's just no one who's honest going into economics. I did business administr I double majored. Was business ad admin good? Probably not. Dang it. Okay.

"You need accounting or some. Yeah. And that's that's where a lot of people would argue with me is that for all business degrees except for accounting and uh it are worth it all at the jobs after."

Yeah. No.

"I didn't know what I wanted to do."

But why does it take us 15 years to have this conversation, you know, and and glacially slow glacially slow to get like we're we're 3% less kids going to college. Okay, that's the right trend, but we'll finally get to where we got to be by 2275 at that rate. And uh it the financial costs are way too here. So getting people to wake up is impossible. It's just impossible.

So good to I'm no better. Dang it, guys.

Okay, but good degrees are accounting.

"Um engineering. Yeah, I wrote a book called Worthless. If you want all the details, it's there. No, I'm not updating it for inflation. People, are you going to update for inflate? No, I'm not. Just multiply it by 1.7, you'll have your numbers. Um, there are the trades, of course. Uh, their medicine, uh, and some of which aren't even four-year programs like, uh, radio tech or radiologist tech or."

X-ray tech.

"Um, so there's anything with a a truck driver, you know, you you go and they'll train you in. So the you can do your research. But the education, whether it's trade school, self-study, online, or an in-person college, make sure there's a job at the end of it."

I can't believe 60% um of men even pick that degrees. That's crazy.

"Yeah. Well, but I know a lot of people are focusing on women, I guess, because maybe their behavior is a little more amplified or um uh not exotic, but you see like, wow, what you majored in dance therapy? What the hell? You know, and most guys, well, I'm going to major in journalism or something a little less zany. But yeah, the it's it's not going to help. We could focus on women and say, look, you got to stop majoring in this this dumb crap. But that does says nothing for the 60% of guys who are doing the same thing and ruin their finances going forward. So you have to be you have to be you have to tell the truth regardless."

Yeah. So we really just have a population of people that are making really bad choices economically.

"Yes. That's it. And the national debt is the sum total of those bad choices more or less. Yeah."

Yeah. That's my dad said my whole life that the debt is going to um that we can't keep going like this. And my whole life they've just kept going like this.

"Yeah. it. But now we're we're starting to see inflation. People are starting to they wonder Yeah. They."

Even this that was like $3.

"Yeah. I remember when they were like I think a buck 25. I remember when Mountain Dew cost a quarter."

Wow.

"Yeah. I'm old. But after a while though, you kind of give up where because I've seen Gen X. That's my generation. They were a bunch of dopey leftists as well back in the day. Free stuff. Why can't."

What's Gen X?

That's like 70 to.

"85 roughly born or 68. Depends on who you are. I'm 49."

Oh, yeah. But you're okay. You're not 70. That's.

"No, no. B born in 1970 up to 1985 or so."

Oh, I thought you meant 70 years old.

"No, no, no."

No, that would be boomers. Yeah.

"Okay. And so they made they made a lot of poor choices, too."

Yes. I pretty much most Americans have made bad choices since World War II. And it and we could talk about culturally and socially, but all it is is lazy people not wanting to work. We want welfare. We want this. I don't want to work out. I want people to like fat people. I'm entire I'm going to get divorced. It's just you could, you know, thousands of different cultural, economic, and political, individual topics we talk about. At the end of the day, people are just lazy. They don't want to work. They don't want to owe up to responsibility. They want free [ __ ]."

Mhm.

"And you you'll see that that thread of DNA in every sociopolitical topic we could talk about."

So you when did you write your book, *A World Without Men*?

"That was last Yeah, last year. It was last year. That came out last year."

Um and you talked about in that book how the economy could not function without men.

"It could not. I mean, you'd have an economy, but it would be the equivalent of Kenya based off of my my estimates."

Okay. Could you go through the numbers a little bit?

"Well,"

Everyone says your everyone says your number. I quote you so much.

"And I know they're I know they're it makes me so mad because I I'm doing these debates and I'll quote you and they'll be like that book or did like but they'll discount it even if it's right. It's so annoying."

Did they read it? Did they have other data? I in in both of the books that I've done most recently I say if you have new data send it to me. Um, and I'll it's just you could go, "Well, those aren't the real numbers." Then you say, "Okay, you're a poopy face." I mean, that's the level you can't either counter it with data or not. And I'm good. Not to brag. I'm good because I'm intellectually honest. I don't go out. Most Here's how most people figure out their economics, okay?

"They have their politics first like they do a religion and then they go and try and find the data to prove their politics. I did it the reverse. That should scare the piss out of anyone that criticizes me. I go and get the data first and then I form my opinion."

And you would think people, especially economists, politicians, all that would would be that empirical. They're not. And so I don't view that. I got this here in case I was asked about numbers. These books aren't my opinion.

"That's numbers. And this is the same thing happening in the do not do the the housing bubble. I'm like there's an over supply of housing. The interest rates are artificially low. This person can't afford it. You don't know what you're talking about. uh."

Bam, you know, well, okay, prove me wrong. And so when it when someone dismisses that out of hand, it's it's infuriating, but you got to you got to control, you don't get angry, and then you go back, you go to their level. Or it's like, oh yeah, well, you smell like a fart. I mean, if we're going to do this childish level of I know you are, but what am I? You know, that kind of thing. I I don't have time for that. But,

"You know, I I keep getting proven right over time. And I've I've kind of learned to let reality and the real world prove prove me right and them wrong because it's it's pointless to waste your time arguing."

Because even on my Michael Nolles interview, did you did you see the part he talked about?

Was that the one where he didn't read the book and said there was like five mistakes in the first.

"Yeah."

P Yeah. Okay. He's lying.

There's not five grammatical errors in the first page. You obviously didn't read it. I because I'm empirical first.

"I'm like I'm like was there I didn't see them but I don't know, you know."

No, you could you could say well I'd write it differently but I go through my own.

"Yeah."

Stuff you said you enjoy reading because it's very well written and easy to understand. And I have it's like a a vodka purifying or what do they call it? Um.

"You filter you filter vodka three times. I have three different editors that go over it to look for things like that. Are there typos in my books? Yes. There's not five on the first page. Tell me you didn't read the book without telling me you didn't read the book. So I I can dismiss that guy outward."

Yeah, but it's it's so weird when I was trying when I try to tell them about the number of marriageable women.

"Um it's like it's so weird how they they won't believe me."

And I'm like I've interviewed a thousand. So I because at first I didn't really come in with the opinion of that. But then I interviewed a thousand women and I was but in in criticism of you there is a selection bias. So you're going on shows so it it skews you know a certain way and these guys uh whether it's.

"If I look from my hometown that's Christian conservative like."

Still half divorced.

"Like right. No and that and that that's where."

Like I'm from I'm from a pretty rural part of Chicago.

"A very Catholic they call it MAGA county."

Yeah. What more? What do you guys want?

"Well, but they they also have a selection bias because in their defense, um like Matt Walsh."

Um.

"Not Dennis Prager, you Kevin. No, I I don't. No, I think uh uh Dave Ramsey, these guys who are pro marriage and oh, you just got to go up there and and be swell son. I mean, they actually have good marriages. They have good wives."

So, I think they also have a selection bias. You know where I get my information about divorce? Center for Disease Control among other places. Now, someone wants to question that, I'd like to see a more authoritative source than the Center for that's the official government. But, you know, uh if you want to disagree, fine, go ahead. But I I'm still waiting for other data, which I still have the model I used.

"Yeah."

Uh ready to just plop numbers in as I get better data and I can update the data.

"But yeah, this is it. It's tiring. This is what I dealt with in academia. This is what I dealt with in banking where I don't like your figures. Well, f off then. I don't care."

They come from their ideology first and you come from their idea. You come from the numbers first.

"Right? Or they just come from their personal experiences, which until relatively recent, we didn't have like Yeah. All you had was your eyes and ears and your personal experiences. Like, look out for girls with tattoos, son. You know, it's like, oh, okay. Yeah. Because there was a correlation back in the day."

"Uh, if these guys have happy marriages, great. Awesome. That that's wonderful. You are not the remaining 168,999,999 American men in the world."

Well, what happened was I interviewed uh Paul Elum the other day.

"Oh yeah. Okay. Paul. Yeah."

Yeah. Yeah. And he brought a friend of his and he was from Michael Null's church community.

"And he's like I don't know what he's talking about."

Because he got he spent $300,000 trying to get his kid and still now his kid's in Russia and speaks another language.

"The the friend."

The friend.

"Yeah. He."

Spent 300,000.

"Yeah. Yeah. He's from like Michael Null's like Latin church community."

Okay.

"No, but it's it just confuses me because I think like."

I'm like there's no way you don't know somebody that's gone through it. I just don't believe it.

"No. And here's one thing that really helped me be a a quote better economist than the average economist is I'm all about data and research and removing your emotions and your political biases and just what does the data tell you? And you'll be amazed what it will tell you. Um, oh shoot. I forgot where I was going with that. What was the What would you ask for?"

I bet Michael Null's I I said that he spent 300,000 trying to get his kid. It confuses me because they have to know somebody that got divorced.

"Right. Right. And and that's where I was going. Data will carry you very far. But in today's world where everyone has a bias or an agenda or a political motivation."

Even the data and the research can get corrupted. Or when people get you statistics, they're they're biased. Oh, we got a study. Study suggests who did it? Who did the study? You know, this is why I look at databases.

"Um."

"How do you."

"But that's what I was going to say is sometimes you have to use your eyes and ears and say, okay."

What if I I am not biased? What if I'm what I'm seeing in the real world is actually representative of the real world, not just bad luck. For example, I've been shot down through the majority of dates that I've been asked out I've asked a girl out on.

"If I was more worried about data, I'd be like, 'God, girls just don't like me.'"

It's like, "Well, wait, what if there's a chance that, you know, I look around then? All my friends are getting shot down. All all the older guys I know are getting divorced." Soon you you have to start trusting your own eyes, especially in absence of qu of real data and where it's just questionable data as well. And so it's kind of a little bit of both. You don't you definitely don't want to be biased, but sometimes especially how academia and polling and everyone's got an agenda has been so corrupted. Soon you got to look out there like big is beautiful. No, it isn't. No, I I I see it with my eye. No, it's not beautiful. So sometimes you have to just uh I don't know have a gut check and and and trust your own vision. So they often quote the stat that like if they pray every day there's only a 5% divorce rate. Have you seen that one?

"No."

Okay. I was I was curious what your thoughts were on it.

"It I'd want to know the methodology. Like in in all fairness, I had to come up with some really hard statistics to come by."

Yeah.

"Like tattoos and bodily mutilation. That's probably the the most uh dubious or the weakest bit of data that I have in there. But they actually have polling data on, you know, how many tattoos does the average girl have? You know, what's crazy? I asked my youngest sister cuz you said you had some stat about women younger, like Gen Z, having tattoos. And my youngest sister is 10 years younger than me and then the next is eight. And so I was asking them like, 'How many of your friends have tattoos?' And this is."

Conservative Catholic school. This is upper class.

"She said majority."

A majority.

"Yep."

Yeah. She said more than 50%.

"Right. And it's it's good to collect the the empirical data, but the the five the 5% divorce that prays."

Okay.

"I could see if you're praying every day, you probably follow the Bible pretty precisely and whether your marriage is happy or not. And keep in mind, the book, the book of Numbers, isn't about whether your marriage stays together. It's whether you are happily married, which is another measuring issue right there. So that's fine. 5%, you know, the the divorce rate. How many people aren't Christian? How many people don't pray every day? You this it's it's like great people with who play guitar left-handed whose names are Bob and they have blue underwear on. Those guys have no divorces. Well, okay. What about literally everybody else?"

Yeah.

"And so that's nice, but if people aren't Christian or they're secular or they don't pray every whatever the obtuse kind of uh um statistic is, fine. And then yeah, I would naturally call into question the methodology that they used on that. And then I'd want to interview everyone and say, 'Okay, and you could interview them, but I want to look and say, are you overweight?' All right. Oh, really? Is that is that a happy marriage over there? Let me show me your wedding picture. Now, let me look at you now. Don't tell me you guys are happy, you know? So."

So that's kind of So, how do you how can you tell a bad methodology from a good good method? Because it's so it's so confusing for like the average person where it's like okay you have this study and like and then.

"Yeah, the the the main way to tell if it's a good methodology if there's intellectual honesty and integrity in it."

Where uh that that research paper where me and a bunch of other guys made it on the list.

"That yeah, the hate."

Yeah, diverting hate and Mbury University and ASU you want to see absolute I'm not saying because I disagree with them. I'm saying they should be [ __ ] embarrassed that they published that. That methodology was horrible. The the Peril Institute, the ones where they came up with the male supremacy scale.

"Yeah, I think I out I think I out supremacied you."

Did you?

"Yeah, I think I scores."

But did you did you read through his methodology?

Not at all.

It was there was no intellect. No, it was just it's you could already tell it was wrong because like wait, there are channels that are bigger than me. where are like you didn't do any research at all. The main thing is and you could read through people's methodology in the research publications that they publish and say okay what did they do and you'll be able to tell quickly we have a theory the theory is this affects that and if that stands up to reason okay philosophically or logically that makes sense and we measured this and that using these techniques and then you're going to be like wait that how does that measure we're using these measuring techniques to get to a I'm like how does that measure a.

"Can I have an example of one that would be bad."

Um, the same guy who did the peril research, okay, at the diverting hate.

"He took the top five most popular videos. Um, I'm just wondering if there'd be an easier one to that would the audience could understand."

You can make it up like just.

"No, because I want to use I want to to be on that male supremacy."

List. He had a list of 15 things and.

"The one calling men simps or something."

Yeah. Calling men that got me so high.

"Right? And then calling men simps. Well, simps exist. What? That doesn't mean I hate women and believe in male supremacy. Another one was I think he used the word wam. It's like that's just that's just a funny way to say what. No, it's just so if if you go through his list of 15 things."

At least two-thirds of them are not does not does not measure a does not mean you're a male supremacist. That does not it might correlate, but that does not mean you're a male supremacist. And so you'll see that rife in academia. Another one is the N number, the number of people they surveyed or the number of test subjects. you know, like maybe a couple hundred and you might get it, but all a sudden you'll see sample sizes of five. It's like, who the hell did you interview? Like when you you only find five people, right?

"So, uh that that is another way to look at at bad methodology."

What's a good number that you would you would say a.

"It depends on what you what you're trying to measure. I 50."

I guess.

"I'm surprised that low. Well, a lot of the things you're trying to measure, there's not that there's not enough real world instances of things you're trying to measure. Like, let's say you're trying to study a very rare disease, you know, okay, well, good luck finding, you know, people that."

Have that disease.

"It it really depends on on on what you're trying to measure. But I I mean."

Really rule of thumb, 50 would be would be a starting point. You'd like a couple hundred, a couple thousand maybe. So, a world without men. Um, you know, I often hear women say that they don't need a man.

"Yeah."

Do you think that's true or untrue?

It's It is provably tr not true. Prov you you don't need men. Sure. But you're going to you're going to have like an a GDP per capita on par with Kenya. You're going to be living in literally a 70 square foot closet. Um, you will not have electricity. You will barely have electricity. You will not have cars. You won't have road I you'll have very little of this spread across an entire female. You women are helplessly and I mean that in the literal sense they are helplessly dependent upon men. Absolutely.

So why do you think women believe this?

Um because they want to uh it feels good. Um I think a lot of it you know how much of it is nurture versus nature. I think the past three generations, maybe four if you want to throw in the boomers, there's been some cultural um push and uh um I'd even call it indoctrination where it's almost its own ideology or religion like the church of girl like, "Oh, I'm so great cuz I'm a girl." It's like, "No, that's just a trait you were born with. You're half the population. You're not special." Um, but it's it's a simple tribalism where you know what why as a Green Bay Packer fan because Milwaukee Chicago.

"Why is why would I cheer for the Green Bay Packers or those stupid Chicago Bulls?"

There's Yeah, you're born there. It's it's.

"You guys got the cheese heads."

Yeah. We got the ch What?

"Yeah."

So what? You got a piece of styrofoam on your head. It doesn't mean you yourself are anything. So I think it's human nature to rally around a flag and and rally around a tribe. And I think the concept of feminism, which you know, fine, yes, equal rights, voting rights, right to property, all that, sure, everyone was on board with that. But more modernly, especially since I was a kid and later, younger generations, it's become its own cult. It's become its own religion, it's become its own value system where ah vagina, I that's all I need.

Not whether I'm a doctor or a pilot or a good mom or uh whatever else, I just have a vagina. It's great. Well, and you said in your con I can't remember if it was a stream or in one of your books, you said that most women don't like men that much.

"I I'm pretty convinced this the data is in my favor, but yes, I would say women don't like men that much. They don't hate men. Not saying all women hate men, but most women, I would say, are pretty indifferent to most men. And there's a ton of data more recently brought to light kind of what our realm that we're in this industry where the online dating data has kind of bore that out where there's the famous okaycid study where only 20% of men are rated attractive by women. There's also Tinder analytics where you look at how many swipes men do versus women do and how many women go on dates versus how many men. Um the vast majority of here's where you would go empirical data pre- internet. You could talk to old-timers like me or Rolo or that exceptionally handsome man. Tro Troy Francis that that despicably handsome man even Troy Franc."

No, he's just like he's a great guy. No, but he's Oh, he's just so good looking. And then he has his British accent on top of it. He and then he's nice like ah you're a dick. I got to I got to enjoy your company too. Um Troy Francis, handsome as he is, British accent as he does, uh he's been shot down the majority of times. uh by women and you think like wait a minute just and there's a very simple study where uh I think it was a professor he had a hundred what the heck oh he had one female student one male student go up and ask I think it was a 100 men and 100 women would you go to go to bed with me.

Just like that and not one girl said yes to the guy where I think most of the guys said yes to the gal uh it's there it's genetic it's ingrained it's not evil it's I'm malicious. I just don't think women are that attracted to to men. And it it's borne out in many different sociological even genetic uh statistics with the uh the genome.

Why do you say it's genetic when like a hundred years ago most women married most men?

Well, they 85% of women were married.

Well, yeah. You needed men back in the day, right?

Previous and that's one of the the uh premises. is not even a premises. One of the facts I I establish early on and point out in in I think both books is you had the industrial revolution and then more modernly the um it or technical revolution and that liberated everyone from physical hard labor. So now we have mostly white collar work which women can do. Women can do white collar work. They fine accountants, doctors, whatever. Uh but in the times past they needed the guy mainly because 90 odd% of the population was farmers. Needed the males physical labor to go and either hunt, farm, protect, all that other stuff and and the ladies stayed home. Well, the industrial revolution, especially air conditioning and computers, liberated everybody from that. Now women could go make their own money. So now they are not financially dependent upon men. You throw on the welfare state. Uh you have an insurance policy. Yeah, 65 in the United States and on, but now even if you fail in your career or you just don't want to work, uh you are now doubly less dependent upon men and you can you can.

Make your own choice. And it's been a fascinating, just it's like Tom Cruise and Tropic Thunder. Like, sometimes, if you listen, the world's trying to tell you something. Peg, all men have to do, and this is what I've done in my research. Step back. What are women choosing? They don't need anymore. They haven't needed them for quite some time. How are women behaving? What choices are they making? They are not choosing to get married. And if they are choosing to get married, they're only going to settle for a very top echelon of men. And so you can see this in their behavior that you could say, "Oh, the girls are crying themselves to sleep. Oh, girls are pining. They really do want a guy." I'm like, "Okay, that's fine. Maybe at night they're crying themselves to sleep and they really want a guy." And yes, we could always make the, "Yeah, but only a top 2% guy." Whatever microscope percentage it might be, they still choose career, education, politics, sometimes even kids outside of a husband. You still look at their behaviors and I don't care what they say, >> right? >> Crying at home after they got back from the nightclub drunk. I just really want a guy. Their choices in the real world, which is the only thing that matters, has made it that they are not choosing men. And that's only what men can react to. And so I would say looking at that and I, I believe they're being honest. They want to. You could argue, "Well, they've been conditioned and all." Okay, that's fine. They've been conditioned. At the end of the day, they're still choosing to go into debt for largely worthless degrees. They're still going out and partying and having fun. They're choosing careers. And I'm a libertarian. I don't care what you do with your life. That's fine, right? But it is fascinating to watch from an I guess an anthropological viewpoint, like we're watching gorillas in the mist. And oh, now, now they have the industrial revolution. And now, oh, look, now there's the welfare state. How will these creatures of the human world react? Well, well, they're not going out with guys. And you're getting your answer through their behavior and their choices. And again, and it's kind of hard for, and some of the people we mentioned before, that's hard for men to acknowledge and realize emotionally, psychologically, and genetically. It's very hard for >> you. >> Yeah. But I had, um, it was not so much the data, it was just trial and error because I'm old. We used to ask people out in person back in the day. We'd put our spears away after we slew the mammoth and we'd walk up to the pretty girl with her, you know, uh, leopard bikini. >> Never married though, right? Have like a crazy Most guys in the space, not most, but a decent amount had like a crazy divorce story. >> Yeah, I've dated crazy girls. Yeah, I, I, I just watched, I just watched all the boomer men in my family get divorced and I'm like, this is not. And it also, um, in my benefit, it didn't seem at a benefit at the time, but it ended up having me here. Uh, there was no help from my parents, like no money. I dropped from 147 to 118 pounds in college because I just couldn't afford a lot of food. Also, I work security, so you're biking and all that. Um, I didn't have time to be worrying about world chasing girls and all that other stuff. So, I had to be very much more shrewd and economic with my resources. And you just like, for example, kids, I could never afford kids. These girls, one girl I dated, nice gal, I want four kids minimum. Four kids minimum. Well, where are you going to get the money? I can barely afford parking. Where, what world are you in? Um >> I talked to, I talked to, um, one guy. His dad isn't from here. And he was like, "American women? That's amazing. They can like your mother never paid. At least like these American women, they pay, right?" And he's like, "No, >> no, no, they don't. No, no, they don't. They really don't." Yeah. >> I thought it was I thought it was so funny. >> Yeah. I mean, at any point in time, well, maybe not any point, but these gals could have like, "I work, I really want to get together with you." It's like, "Okay, well, you going to pay my rent? Are you going to like, because in the meantime, I got to work another shift." Um, so having that, those limited, I had to be much more shrewd with prospects like having kids or getting married. And when you just see everyone getting divorced, like, no, this is, no, no, this is, I can't afford to go through a divorce and what meager assets I have, you know, be split in half. It just wasn't, wasn't doable. What do you think about like women want the soft life now and they want to be scared? >> No. No. No. No. >> What do you think about What do you think about >> No, you don't. No, no. That That is You don't get to tell men for literally 50 years, you don't need them and you're going to do it on your own. And and that's >> You haven't seen the TikToks? They're >> Oh, I've seen them. No, no, no. I >> The dresses are here. So much political, economic, educational, corporate, and I would say psychological on a society-wide level. So much infrastructure has been laid that women are going to be equal. They're going to support themselves. We've invested in that for generations, like three generations. >> Can you give me an example of the infrastructure? Um, well, for example, quotas. Uh, we got to get a certain amount. DEI, affirmative action being kind of law. That'd be an example. Um, the psychological infrastructure, well, should be educational infrastructure. They're pushing women into like, not fine, push women into education. They got to do absolutely. I'm all for you going and becoming engineers. But then also besmirching and like, "Oh my god, you don't need a man. You're a pick-me." That kind of like, uh, uh, belittling and smearing marriage. So, there's a psychological predates you, but I would love to go and read some of those Teen Beat, Vogue, 17 magazines, uh, what they told young women back in my age, what it was, or more modernly, which would be your TikTok filth that you have now. >> Um, and then, not to get too political, but the Democrat party and feminism as a, I guess the women's wing of leftist politics. Again, getting back to that psych, the value system like, "Oh my god, you're a woman." And it's just, that's all you need to be. And that's just so amazing. It's like me saying, "Oh my god, I'm a brown-eyed person. I'm just amazing and I'm going to live my entire life to that." So, >> No one says that to you. >> No one, because it's ridiculous. It's just equally ridiculous. You know, can I mention his name? Jeremiah's black. >> All right. I have brown eyes and you're tall. Oh my god. Let's just go jerk off to ourselves in a mirror with traits for it, but it's ridiculous. And it's the same thing. I got brown eyes. Oh my god, it's amazing. >> Have you seen the eye chart on Twitter? >> No. What's the eye chart? >> Oh, so I found this. I just got on Twitter in the last year. And I didn't know there's this whole like eye chart and they believe that if you have like the bluest of eyes, you're like royalty. >> Royalty. >> Yeah. So I'm apparently in, um, I forgot. I'm like third on the chart because I have green eyes. So, you know, >> I think your ancestors are just from northern climates. That's pretty much. I don't know if it means you're from royalty. >> I don't know. I don't know. They keep putting Trump's son as like the king. They're like, >> That's exactly my point. This is ridiculous. It >> That's what that reminded me of. There's a little sect on X that that's what they believe. >> But it, but uh, however, whether it's government, politics, laws, >> I would say more so current social psychology among women in general. Well, I mean, look at younger girls, but the polling data, it's borne out in polling. Younger girls, Gen Z, men are ranked seventh on the priority list behind a whole bunch of other things. Uh, that is having an effect and is an example that infrastructure that has been laid down and sent several generations of women down a path that in hindsight now they're like, "Oh, I want my soft girl life." No, we can't. We have a welfare state. You need to work and pay for those taxes that you voted for. It's all this free crap that you wanted. Yeah. You know where it comes to a head. It's exact. Can't have your cake and eat it too. What do most women want but they can't have now? >> Um, top 5% of men. >> Uh, sure. Okay. Yeah. In terms of lifestyle, what's something that they, you, 40, they're crying, they're drinking the wine, being a stay-at-home. >> Stay-at-home mom. >> Too bad. >> Too bad. You voted in all these entitlements. You voted in the welfare state. You said you're going to work. You got to work. And you may still spend more than we got. We got, I don't know, 32 trillion in debt, right? >> No. All hands on deck. You said you're going to do the thing. You're going to do the thing. And if you don't, there's a tremendous amount of economic hurt that's coming our way. >> Okay. So, for young women, I do see a little bit. I mean, it's TikTok. God only knows, but you see the younger women, um, putting on the dresses, doing the trad content. Do you see the younger women going that route? >> I see, uh, little, little what do they call them? Sprouts of grass. For every one legit, I think there's nine posers. >> Well, yeah. >> Yeah. I So I think >> like cake tits, >> right? Whatever. You know, "Hey guys, big crucifix and some tig old bitties." >> I know. >> And yeah, that's that's BS. However, but I do believe there's some sincere. I see some younger girls who are like, "I don't want this." >> Yeah. >> And I think the internet has made it acceptable to acknowledge, maybe not believe it full force, but to acknowledge that is an option. And criticize them as you might, the, uh, tits for Christ girls or whatever. You know, "I just want to be a stay-at-home wife and we'll go to church and then I'll be a porn star." Um, they are actually, you have to have a certain intelligence to know that's fake. >> A lot of people believe it's true. And so a lot of girls like, "Oh, well, she's making cookies and she's pretty. She's wearing a pink dress." And they, the idea is now planted. And so it's no longer, "We shall not speak of Voldemort. We shall say his name." The idea of being a stay-at-home wife, at least now, is known as an option. >> And I think the internet is, you're starting to get, uh, voices that are counter to it. So there is, I think there's more resistance than there was before, but I don't think enough to counter like your education industry, your teachers, and >> That's what, that's what I was wondering because on one hand, you said Gen Z girls pull seventh. >> Like they rank men seventh. I talked to my younger sisters and and I, I think I get more of like >> an insight than maybe some people because I have a sister that's like, one's 17, one's >> 20. You got boots on the ground. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um, and I kind of look at her and their friends, um, I would say maybe they're less like, when I look at my siblings that were the most wild, it's like five years younger. So, I think they're less like crazy. That generation, they don't really seem to get into trouble. >> Yeah. >> But I, I don't, I wouldn't say they're like dying to be wives and mothers. Them and their >> No. Um, and that polling data is, you know, keep in mind they're younger. Ask a 19-year-old girl, what's your priorities? What probably should be education and getting your finances together and looking at a job. Plus, let's just be honest, the men are in no condition to get married themselves, right? I mean, they're, they're, we could go to a whole other show on the low quality of men and living at home and overweight and skinny fat and soy boys and all that other stuff. So, women are somewhat in a a paradox or quandary where what are you going to do >> until you're 25 or 26? And I, I get actually a little bit of guff and flack, uh, where I'm like, well, yeah, you should go to school or go get a trade or go into engineering, you know, yeah, it's a good skill to have. Some maybe work from home so you could work from home and have kids later on. >> Well, what I was thinking, I saw, um, a job posting for someone, a woman that would make, well, I'm assuming it's a diversity inclusion position. All right. >> And it was paid $22 an hour. >> Then there was a firefighter position also paid $22 an hour. And I, I thought to myself, if there's all these useless, overpaid jobs, are we going to see more female breadwinners in the future? >> Anecdotally, and I'm curious your thoughts because you're an economist, so I'm, we have all these jobs for women that are clearly overpaid, >> right? >> Clear, like just, yeah. >> Welfare jobs programs. Yes. So, and then on top of that, one anecdote that I saw in London is I saw the trend of personal um trainers that are men dating women that are lawyers. So, I would notice like women, Yeah. All right. >> So, clearly she's the breadwinner. And I'm, I'm wondering if in the future, if there's all the, if because I'm thinking, okay, like let's say there's a family, guy and a girl, and they want one to work. Well, if the one goes to an office job and wants to go be a firefighter, wouldn't it make more sense for the whole family? >> They're what? Go, that's going to be >> Maybe maybe they'll both have to. I don't know. But I'm wondering if women will just go get, and maybe there's going to be an in because one of my um producers in London, he, I explained this to him. I was like, I think there's going to be men that just go to the gym and are like, "If I look smack, I can go get like a 30-year-old." >> Get a cougar or something like that. >> Not even a cougar. I'm like a 30-year-old lawyer. Then she can't like, you know, young enough where you could still have a kid. She can't put me on child support, right? And then I'm laying this out for him and he's like, >> "I should do this." >> Based on labor force participation data. There's those statistics again from the Bureau of Labor in case any hacks want to question my resources. >> And by the way, this is just a theory. Just a theory. >> I think you're going to have an element of both. Uh, because the labor force participation rate of both men and women is decreasing. But men are decreasing faster than women. >> So you will see more female workers, welfare jobs, makeup jobs, or real ones or not, doesn't matter. They're collecting a check. >> Uh, I think the trend is in favor of that happening more frequently than it is now. I don't think it's going to increase the amount of marriages because marriage is on its way out. It's not popular anymore. Also, women seem to have a hang-up that I can't deny that I can't possibly marry a man who makes less than me. Well, good luck with that. Um, but I, I don't think >> Well, what else are like, I mean, if you're a high-earning chick, what the [ __ ] else are you supposed to do? >> I don't care. Why? It's not my problem. They can figure it out. >> If you're going to go make a ton of money, like what else do you expect? >> I think you're going to see an increase in gigolos, whether you explicitly call it that or not. You're a sugar mama and a boy toy. I think you're going to see an increase in ma. I don't think it's going to increase the marriage rates. Um, but I also, and so they may not cohabitate. I don't think that's going to. And I also don't think based on the forecasts of where marriage is going >> that they're going to have men and women living together either married or cohabitating. >> Oh, so you, and for the opportunity >> you even think cohabitating is going to go away? >> I think yes. I Well, I don't think it's going to go away. It'll be there. There will be less of it in the future. There will be less cohabitation, either marriage or secular. Uh, in the future, giving less opportunity for the sugar mama young man type of scenario to happen. I think in certain fields, like that makes total sense. Big power corporate lawyer type gal. She goes to the gym. She's very serious about things. Here's a good-looking piece of meat. That's her trainer. >> Absolutely. You go get it. I cheer you on. >> Musician was another one I would say. >> Sure. Whatever, whatever is whatever men do that is sexy yet poor. That's fine. You could do you could do those things. Um, but I don't think she's going to marry these guys. >> Um, I, I really don't see that happen, you know, but 320 million people. I'm sure you're going to see a little bit of everything. Yeah. Based on marriage, cohabitation, just I don't think that's going to be nominally, uh, an increase of that phenomenon. But you will see it in certain professions or, you know, good-looking men are going to the target group to look at that would be good-looking, physically fit men and see how many of them get sugar mamas on the side. That might be a thing. >> Oh my god, I should go out. That's so interesting. >> Well, now here's, here's you want to play economist now. Go measure that. Have fun. You know, like those are the problems. You're like, "Oh geez, how do I figure this one out?" >> Yeah, that's really interesting. Wow. Okay. So, what does the future look like then? Because now, you know, the Morgan Stanley study, I think it was that 50% of women between 25 and 45 will be single and childless. Are we just, there's just not going to be children? You think the birth rate's going to keep dropping? >> The, the trends we have now will continue. Debt will go up, fertility rates will go down, marriage rates will go down. Um, uh, I think economic growth is also going to go down because one of the main premises is my on my book, uh, "A World Without Men." Is do you know what we run on? What men run on? >> Um, women, sex. >> We run on sex, 103 octane sex. >> Uh, without that, and you've seen the memes where it's, uh, >> Men think it's great to live like this. It's just a TV with a cot and a video game. Yes, you're going to see economic growth, I think, not only decrease more than it is now, like our long-term growth. We used to grow about four and a half percent back in the 40s to the 60s, 20-year average. Now we're at like half that, two and a quarter percent. >> Uh, I think it's going to drop to one and then just be a nominal zero, uh, where we'll be happy if it's positive. >> Uh, because the men don't have any incentive to work. They, they really traditionally speaking, they might have an intellectual interest or maybe, "Hey, it's my life. If I'm going to maximize it for the sake of it, doing it anyway." But yes, generally speaking, I think the economy will continue to decay. Maybe not collapse, but decay. Uh, it'll be slurotic growth. It will be mundane. People are going to get fatter. Going to be, it's just going to be malaise is going to be just an increasing amount of malaise of what we have now, but just more of it in the future. >> Wow. It's so weird to think about it. And it's weird to even think back to like when I was a kid because I grew up with nine siblings and I know. >> Wow. >> I know you're like, your old man was busy. >> Well, three were adopt. It's kind of a weird story. Like three were adopted and then, but like biologically seven. >> Um, and so it's weird and everyone pretty much had families and it was a little bit bigger. I would say like two to four, which I >> like I didn't know a lot of only children, which is common now. So, it's weird how the world is changing like so fast. >> Yeah. No, it's rapid. It It's It's happening rapidly and sometimes I have trouble keeping up on it because it you never get polling that you don't get data, right? That's not the first bit of information identifying a trend or something that's happening. It's usually an anecdote. Uh, and I don't really like the Daily Mail or the New York Post because they're tabloids. Yeah. >> But those are usually the first ones that are going to pick something up on their radar. Uh, we're like, "What are they doing now? Why are they dyeing their hair? Pro nose piercings. They didn't have those when I was young, right?" >> You looked like an idiot back then, and you still look like an idiot now. But now I just, you can't go out day without some girl with a bull ring in her nose. And so it, it's Overton's window as to like how much more ridiculous towards the malaise and depression and sadness spectrum are we going to get going? And I, I just kind of almost don't want to watch. Someone says, "Oh my god, can you like, no, no, not today, man. No, I'm going to go swimming or I'm going to go shoot guns or something. I'm just going to go have an ice cream." >> It's kind of watching like the decline of like a great society pretty much. >> It's watching someone die. Yeah. >> It is watching someone die. Watching your dog die of a slow painful death and after a while, you just can't watch it anymore. >> Even patriotism is like gone. Like, like I don't >> I don't know. When I was growing up, like we would always blast like the courtesy of the red, white and, you know, I mean, it's kind of propaganda in a way, but it was fun. You know, everyone was really proud to be America and I don't, I don't get that same like sense the way I used to. >> Well, what's to be? I mean, I am for the principles and ideals of America. >> Yeah. >> Freedom, individuality, responsibility, leave us the f alone. Um, that kind of thing. But you don't have that >> in the United States. Your average American is frankly a fat loser who doesn't want to work. Is it depends on your generation is rapidly trying to find some kind of disability they can claim either some they were born with or they can claim to have, which is why, uh, mental disorders are very popular. What was it like one in five Zoomers claim they're not straight? Get the [ __ ] out of here, you know? So that's that's what's going to continue to happen. But yeah, you could, you can see the elimination of traditional historical Americans. And your modern-day people who live, you couldn't call them Americans. People who live in America and have American citizenship, they're not Americans. The vast majority of you are not Americans. >> So, what are there going to be catastrophic effects on the economy with the birth rate declining because all of the industries will be super old and then they won't be able to, and then the younger generation has to take care of them? >> No, no, it's no, but population. The truth is, here's the truth. Population growth or decline doesn't matter. >> No way. >> It's per person, cap per capita standards of living. All right? For example, Japan, Japan, or Korea, or even us, or China. Oh, they're not having any more babies. Just think that through. Okay. So, let's say the boomers die in Japan or here. What happens to the one child they had? >> They have kids or they, or maybe they don't. >> Mom and dad die. There's one child. What? Who? The one kid. >> They'll probably want a family, right? >> I don't know. What happens after death? >> Oh, they get the money. >> They get all the money. All in >> I know you're going a different direction. >> Instead of on the individual level of a family, think of it as a nation. Okay. There's all these plants, there's all these factories, there's all these roads, there's all these assets in Japan. Okay, so, uh, the older generation dies, the younger generation inherits twice the amount of [ __ ] >> right? That Okay, now you might have an argument. Okay, well, we're not using the roads as much, so we'd use less roads. Maybe, you know, housing would get cheaper. I know younger people are concerned about that. So what? Your population went down. That doesn't mean your productive capacity or your standards of living go down. Where it becomes an issue for everyone. This is where you can't trust the economists because everyone's a liar. The reason they want a younger generation is because we have a Ponzi scheme type of uh retirement system, social pension. >> Oh, mainly Social Security here and Medicare. But other countries have the same thing. And this is why there's a big poll. We got to get immigrants in. We got to get younger people because older people, they don't want their, they don't want these retirement systems or these pension systems going bankrupt. >> If you got rid of the welfare state and just, and I hope everyone's sitting down, and maybe you paid for your own goddamn retirement, you, it wouldn't matter whether there was a third less Americans or a third more Americans or half the Japanese or twice the Japanese because you would be the same amount of people. There wouldn't be this archaic pension system you have to fund. That's why they're really worried about population growth. It's not because of the environment or anything like that. They want the freaking government check. >> You just blew my mind. I have been hearing about the population, the birth. Look at. No, I've been hearing about this my whole life. >> Oh, yeah. Well, wait. Which which is it? Are we going to overpopulate the world to cause global warming, or there's not enough young people being born? Choose your crisis. Choose your freaking crisis. >> I got. Did I get bamboozled? >> Yeah. Oh, everyone's gotten bamboozled. Yeah. >> If you've been alive in the past 40 years as a kid, you've been bamboozled. You've been lied to. >> Wow. >> So, the real reason they go on about the birth rate is not because society couldn't function with less people. It's because of the Social Security that's collapsing. >> Older people need. Look, in the olden days, you would just take care of your family, right? Right. Before the welfare state, before FDR and Social Security predates the welfare state. If you would just take care of grandma and grandpa, all right, you outsource that to the tune of 15.6% of everybody's paycheck. Young people paying old people now. >> And you had the government take over of taking care of the old people and that's it. So now, "Oh my god, there's less young people. We got to do something otherwise we'll one, not get reelected, and then two, the old people won't get their money. And then they'll vote us out of office." >> Wow. >> It >> So what's going to happen with Social Security? It's got to collapse eventually. >> No, I don't know if you know. No. Well, okay. Did Venezuela collapse? >> I don't know. I couldn't tell you. >> You see, it's a philosophical question. >> I couldn't tell you. >> TFN talks. You don't tingling monkey? No. Okay. You might want to listen. He's, he's a little bit, he's your, he's your sexbot girl expert in the field. So he's an interesting conversation on its own. Um, what were we talking about? >> Um, Social Security is going to collapse. >> No, because TFM, he's like, "Oh, we're going to run out of money." That's not how collapses happen. That's not how it's going to. You will never run out of money because you can always print off more. You're always going to get your welfare check. You're always going to get your Social Security. Infl What can you buy with that check? I could give you a $10,000 a month check on welfare, Social Security, but if gas is $20 a gallon >> And that's what's that's how it's going to hit everybody. >> It's happening now. That's the I can't afford housing. Why is gas so high? >> Right. Do you see Bitcoin as a good alternative? >> Yes, I do see cryptocurrency in general. I can't endorse an individual one nor at these individual prices. I'm just saying as an asset class, that is a that is an insurance policy. I recommend financially that it should be part of every well-balanced investment portfolio. >> Do you think that the entire dollar is going to collapse in the next 15 years? >> Have you seen the chart of what a dollar would buy you 100 years ago? We've see everyone's like, "What's going to happen? Are we going to collapse?" It's like, what do you call a loss of 98% of your purchasing power? >> It's just been a really slow collapse. >> Yeah, that's what I'm asking. Will it ever be? Do you think the I can't remember what country, but I know there was some country that overnight it just was like >> Well, that's several countries. I mean, it it depends, but yeah. >> Don't ask me, but >> Uh, no, it will continue. He, I don't know. This might be too much math for you. Okay. I'm glad you're saying >> Let's say our GDP, we produce 2% more stuff. Right. Okay. But we increase our money supply by 10%. Right. >> Now, I'm no economist. About 8%. >> But I'm going to guess inflation is going to be 8%. You're going to have 8% less purchasing power. Yeah, it's a pretty simple math you could do. What was our real GDP growth? How much more money in M1 or M2 do we print off? Whichever measure you want to do. Take the difference. That's how that's a tax. That's how much money you've lost in purchasing power. >> So, if you have a $100, what I'm, I'm curious. Do you, what percent do you think people should keep in dollars, Bitcoin, or investment? Oh, that's it depends on how old you are and what you're like. If you're 65, you're going to be more fixed income. That's your classical financial planner type of stuff. >> Younger people obviously going to skew more towards equities. Um, I, and I advocated long ago. Um, you can, especially young people, you could say, "Well, should I invest in cryptocurrency? Should I invest in silver? Should I invest in the S&P 500?" Young people should invest in skills that appreciate with inflation. >> That's your biggest hedge against inflation. Dentists don't worry about inflation. They just raise their prices. CPAs don't worry about inflation. They just raise their prices. Mechanics, plumbers, all those guys, >> they just Diversity and inclusion consultants, depending on whether you get your funding or not, you are hosed. If the funding gets cut, uh, journalism majors, you're hosed. So, >> Do you think these women's jobs will be cut then? Even? No, I think in acad Well, you're already seeing it happen. You got to be empirical. Texas. >> Texas just defunded DEI, so they laid off a bunch of people in academia. Uh, it will depend on the government. Yeah, thank God. It, it'll depend on the state or the government, uh, whether or not there's funding for it. I think corporations are starting to realize with the different, in general, woke stuff, it doesn't have to be female employment, but any kind of political [ __ ] um, they're starting to realize that that doesn't pay. >> So, Disney hasn't changed their mind. They're just doubling down on everything. But Bud Light, uh, is turning around. Target >> is not gonna stick pride in your face every June as much as it used to. Um, I think I think there's I think we probably did hit peak DEI employment. >> I think that and not that it's going to go away, but it's going to plateau, maybe go gradually down, but it's going to be with us for a while. Um, and it probably, it's like HR. I don't know who came up with the idea of human resources. It's not necessary. >> Women, >> but Well, no. I did. Did they really? I don't know. I don't know anyone that likes to tell people how to talk more than women. >> It Well, yeah. Okay. We But what is the manif, what are the origins of HR? I don't know. But it's still here. Yeah. >> You know, and and and it's been slowly eroding over time. People don't trust HR as much as they used to. They're outsourcing it. So, I think that at one point, say in the 80s or 90s, HR was at its best. And now it's been slowly because it doesn't serve any value or serves less value than it costs. >> I remain in college. Um, she got an HR job right out of college. Started making like >> 60K a year. >> That's good. >> Really good. Yeah. Yeah. But she had trouble because she got a really big car lease. >> I know. I know. I know. I know. >> I remember one time she was late paying me rent or so. She was like complaining to me and I'm like, "Well, why did you get the new car?" Like you had a car. >> Math is hard. It's really hard. >> No, but it was crazy. So, do you Why does my generation like, why are we so bad with money? >> Your generation, have you met the baby boomers where like a third of them don't not going to retire? What? >> I don't know. I don't know. >> No, you're, you guys don't have >> Not Oh, this is normal. >> You guys don't have a monopoly on bad financial moves. Okay. You, you, uh >> I'm a millennial. I'm at the end of >> Okay. Well, again, every American alive today, you're not real Americans. You're just money spending, debt ridden, >> right? >> Morons. No, that is, uh, yeah, I could show you a ton of baby boomers' balance sheets where they have that classic car they always wanted and they got their boat and they have $300 in their bank account and they're living paycheck to paycheck. Yeah, that's, uh, I don't think the poor financial management is is strictly a boomer or Zoomer affair. >> Well, yeah, that's true. Yeah, it's >> I guess people are really bad with money, huh? >> I don't know. Did you see the $32 trillion national debt? >> Well, I do you need to look at that. The student loan. They're still begging for a student. But the time they've all wasted begging for a student loan bailout. If they all got off their their lazy asses and worked a second job, they'd have their student loans paid off by now. Most of them anyway. >> Really? >> Yeah. Well, I mean, I'd have to, I there I'd have to do the numbers, but they've been complaining about for what about a decade now? >> Right? Right? >> You work another. The average balance, student loan is $36,000 bucks. That's less than your your brand new car. Average brand new car. >> So $36,000. 10 years. You work a part-time job. You could have easily paid that off years ago. We're going to sit here and [ __ ] and whine about it. >> Right. Wow. What do you You mentioned sex robots. >> Yes. >> Do you think that's really going to be a thing? >> It, it already is a thing. You keep asking me, is it going to be infl Yes, it already is a thing. How anybody like with a sex robot? How common is that? >> It hasn't gone pop. If you're saying when's it going to boom, I don't know. Uh, yes, they, they already exist. I don't think that's why I think you should have TFM on because I think TFM, Turf, Flingy Monkey. >> Okay. >> Very obscure. I think the sex robots is a very obscure thing. >> Uh, it will remain niche. I don't think it'll catch on because men want a real woman, generally speaking. I think what is a much bigger threat and already has been a bigger threat has been porn. >> Oh, yeah. >> Uh, where guys like doing the calculus like, "Okay, I can >> Yeah, I got to go on a date with a girl three times. We're looking at 12 hours of labor. Lord knows how much money. Or I can just jerk off to this over here in five minutes and play my video games and be done with it." >> I think that is that's the real competition that women are going to face in the in the sexual market. The sex robots, those are actually more not even for the sex, they're more for companionship and all that biohysiological presence. Uh, there, I think the Japanese even have holograms now, like having another human, well, not a human being, having an AI human being or an entity there. Kind of like, you know, a dog has its favorite chew toy or a stuffed bear or whatever. It's more akin to that. Uh, but I, I think they will remain obscure and niche going in the future. >> Do you think that how will it affect the economy if IVF becomes cheap and affordable? >> Well, you'll have more kids, but I don't think women want that many kids. Um, because IVF, if women want to get pregnant, they go get pregnant. It's not that hard. And they can find a guy, you know, and here's where they get a little picky and, you know, who do I want? So, you'd have a little bit of a bump in children, but, uh, to be perfectly honest, I think if you remove those, uh, people who have troubles, had, you know, uh, fertility issues, genuine fertility issues, like, "Oh, we need some help," versus those it's a lifestyle choice. "I can't find a man." You're going to have a couple more, uh, kids being born, but it's going to be born to, uh, careers, professional type of women, and they're not, they've made their choice in terms of what's important to them. It's their career. >> Uh, especially if you're going to have a kid without a dad around. So, you're going to have one kid because they quote want to have a kid. There's your check mark and move on. So, I don't think it'll be that much of a boom and it'll be a little uptick, but nothing to, nothing to seriously affect the economy. What about hookers? Do you think there'll be an uptick in sex work to the point where you could get? I wonder sometimes if they'll make a Tinder, but for sex workers. >> Well, wasn't that Seeking Arrangement? >> Well, I guess, but that's Don't you have to be rich to do that? >> Yeah. Well, you got to be rich to get prostitutes. They know not like free or nothing. They don't like, "Here's your $2 prostitute." Doesn't sound like a good idea. I guess I just wonder if like some of these job, like, okay, so let's say they start cutting these like DEI jobs, right? So then we have a bunch of women, they don't have jobs anymore. >> Then we have an increase in single women. >> Well, women pick >> finding a husband or being a prostitute from my anecdotal experience. >> Women love being hookers. I think. >> I don't know. I don't know. It blew my mind because I always thought that hookers. I don't really know a lot of hookers before I started. Right. >> But the more I spoke to, the more I realized they're not coerced into it. It's not a last resort. They love it. >> And so it makes me wonder if we get to the point where they have to start cutting a lot of these useless jobs, will we see an explosion in prostitutes? >> Here's your pro. Define prostitution. The, and I hate to be so because there's legit professional sex workers in Pahrump, Nevada. They're on a bunny ranch. You go there, you pay them money, there's negotiation, and I think they get benefits and things like that. They're, they're it's a real business. What about the guy who talks to a girl and then pays for her flight and buys her groceries and helps her with the rent? Well, they're dating, but is that prostitution? What about the guy that gets married and loses half his assets? Is that prostitution? >> And there is an answer. Do you know what the answer is? >> I, I feel like the answer is technically no. I don't know. Okay, tell me the answer. >> Everything is prostitution. It's all prostitution. The percentage of relationships out there that are actually about love and liking the person is a minority. I'm going to say microscopically so it's a minority. The average guy who gets divorced paid what, what do you call settlement and alimony? That is in a sense prostitution, right? You paid a lot more on that than you would get a regular or a high-end once a month. And there the guys have done the math and the calculus. The guy that goes out and I need help with rent. Oh, okay. I'll help you out, baby. It's prostitute. Now, when I worked at a bank, was that prostitution? I would say no. But >> it is prostitution. Everyone's a [ __ ] Everyone's a John. Everyone. I got paid to do things I don't want to do. All right. So, you know, the definition, I think you're going to see a lot of girls getting into the gray area. "I need help with my car payment." We say, "Well, isn't that technically from an economic standpoint? You give him sex and and he helps you with your car payment." And then they then they act like, "Well, no, it's barter." So, you know, that's love. But if it's cash, oh, that's that's prostitution. It's like, no, it's cash or money, it's the same thing. What I think using history as an example, when there was the great financial, the great recession, okay, in 2007 to about 2009, there were articles, I don't know if they've been expunged from the websites, but there was like an uptick in women who were like contemplating. Now, how they figured that out, I don't know. I know personally anecdotally some of my female friends were like, "Well, you know, I having gas is really I'm" I'm like, "Okay, I guess gas is really expensive." Well, you know, if you want to like, Oh, is that what you're suggesting? Oh, well, okay. But so if there was a no joke recession, there'd be an increase in women who would be amicable towards it. >> Overall, depending on how you define it, like if a girl is like, "Hey, if you help me with gas, I'd sleep with you." Oh, like a [ __ ] It's probably not going to work. Then I say, "Yeah, okay. That's fine. Sure. Oh, yeah. You know, I understand you're a single mom. You need help. Oh, whatever. Sure. Let me help you out. Let me help you and your kids." At the end of the day, it's prostitution, but whether they're going to call for it. So, how many girls, what do you call OnlyFans? Is that prostitution? >> I, I would, I think if I had to guess anecdotally, I think like 20, 15, 20% of women under 35 have done some kind of sex work. >> Well, right. And okay, fine. But my point is that >> it's all sort of sex work. >> Yeah. And there's a huge gray as to how you want to define it. I wouldn't consider OnlyFans sex work, but I wouldn't call it prostitution >> because there's no actual sex going on, right? >> So, you know, how how do you want to define it? And female shame would be involved in in defining that. But I think you would, if there was a no joke recession, you would see an increase in women looking to get some kind of material or financial benefit, either bills paid, things bought, or outright cash. Uh, you would see an in exchange for sex. You would see an increase in that. It would be up to

The man to finesse it and euphemistically call it something else. So that that so yes, in a way.

Can you tell me about your book?

Um, the curse of the high IQ.

Oh. Um, friend of mine, we were having a conversation and uh, we were talking about how we never thought that we were all that smart in school, right? I was like a solid C minus D plus student. And he then we went to college. We got really good grades. And he was pointing out like, yeah, he got his IQ tested and he never thought of himself as that smart, but he was like a 140 something. He's up there.

Mhm.

I was tested between like 131 to 139, somewhere in the 130s. He says, you know, that means like we're freakishly rare. Like there's there's just, you know, your top two or 1% or something like that. Have to look at the bell distribution curve. And it wasn't until and I had a math and stats finance background. And I I know, but then I looked at the the z-score tables and the charts, I'm like, wait a minute, all these other people are quote dumber than me. And it was I don't know why, but seeing the tail, I was like, wait a minute, there's a tremendous inefficiency here. Like I didn't even I wasn't aware that how smart I was. Neither was my bunny. I don't think most people are because it's arrogant and conceited. Like, oh, I'm so smart. Like that you're kind of ashamed. You shouldn't do that. And you shouldn't. It's it's too arrogant and cocky. But at the end of the day, there's the test. And then I started thinking about economies like like your transportation system or the electrical grid. Things are made for the masses. They're not made for the minority because you can't you can't have a a highway system that only helps people named Jim. All right? That's not going to work out. And I'm like, were there other instances where um, there are inefficiencies just as uh, mentally impaired people? Like let's say you're legit mentally [ __ ] like 68 IQ. They obviously have huge hurdles. Would there not be other hurdles of a different variety that super intelligent people face because they're divergent? And when I went did the research, yeah, obviously there's there's a ton. There's social ramifications, romantic ramifications. Um, career and education is probably the hardest one unless you get into like a a PhD program and NASA and like super high intelligent like type of research. Uh, so you what and the short version of that is no society cannot operate on excellence. It needs to operate on performance in some key areas. And so because you need to conform not perform smart people run into a bunch of uh social financial career educ all these other type of hurdles that that they may not be aware of. And so a classic example is like me. I thought I was dumb because I didn't get good grades. That's what I And I come to find out like, no, school sucks. It's a [ __ ] prison. And truly intelligent kids, they just die in that environment.

Truly intelligent kids die in the education program.

Right? I mean, now if you get into like an accelerated program or if you have like a gifted and even gifted and talented was just like, no, take the kid who's in the second grade and put them in the fifth. Get him there or her there, you know, because that's the level that they're operating at and they're not going to be bored because it's the same thing. They understand the concepts the average kid might need.

So, were you just bored?

Oh, yeah.

Oh. Oh, God. It was horrible. Just bored out of your mind. Yeah. And then you don't have any energy.

You know, you do do it because.

But then wouldn't you get good grades?

I got good tests. Do you remember the standardized tests?

You didn't do homework.

I didn't do homework. Yeah. School was horrible. But when you when you sat me down in front of those standardized tests that they make all the kids take, I'd ace all the math and then the English and history I just like C minus work again because it's it's not really something you test. It's just.

Did you memorize dates?

Math was logic, intelligence, reasoning, follow through and all that other stuff. So I but you don't know that. You're like well my parents get half. Oh my god, look you did so then they use you could try better in school. Like, no, the math is easy. Doing good in school has nothing to do with intelligence or effort. Well, I mean, it does have to do with effort, too. But for a smart kid that's stuck at the glacial speed at their elementary school teachers and intellectual capacity, like.

So they should have put you in like that makes sense. But don't they have cases where they let them skip a grade or something?

Yeah, but you got to be a straight A student.

Um.

See, you got to get good grades. You can't just skip grades. The education system. It went more female in a way in the sort of like because women tend to show up on time and they tend to do.

Conformance not performance.

Yeah. And they do more of the homework stuff. So I heard it switched in the 80s or around there. I could be off by like 10 years or something. But.

And it benefited women more because it included things that don't really matter like homework and attendance.

Yeah. But did it benefit girls more? I mean it good. You're really good at school. The real world is in school.

Right. Yeah. Well, I'm a in the education system, right?

Girls, I think, still to this day get better scores than men for boys. Yeah. Uh, there's no doubt about that.

They added in like writing to the ACT.

Yeah. Okay, good. You you wrote really well. You you were a really good obeyer. Congratulations. You follow the rules. That's great. You know, you don't annoy your teacher. Uh, boys are not cut out that way. Yeah. So, um, and but then, and this isn't to separate between men and women, but in intelligent girls are going to face the same thing. If they're really smart, they're going to get bored, too.

Um, so it it's uh it wasn't written for men or women, but just smart people in general.

Let you specialize in things you're interested in early on. I don't know how you feel about that, but personally, like I I think it would in Europe, I know they let you if you're really good at like say math at like 12, you can start to like specialize in math from like a younger age. Me like I really liked history, so like I don't know that that route. But.

Um.

I don't know. Do you think that would be helpful or no?

Yeah, I.

You need like basic.

You you what what would Yes. You need to stop it with this. You're what age? You go to this grade.

No.

Yeah.

Your what skill level? We get the goal should be to get the smart kids out as quickly as possible.

Right?

Almost even self-study. Like, can you learn this on YouTube, go at home, fine, boom, you're done. I don't I frankly, we don't need high school.

Then you have extra resources. You could save money and still have some extra resources for kids who actually need it.

Who are not as smart, who are a little bit slower or just have some kind of learning issue or problem. And so all you're doing is you're holding the smart kids hostage. The dumb kids aren't having a grand time either themselves. They might feel a little bit bad because Jimmy got better grades and they keep getting bad grades or something like that. So, and but it it really is you could say, "Okay, can you test which correlates with intelligence, but isn't necessarily that can we get you out of here and by the end of your eighth grade give you a skill where you're like, okay, uh, you go into the trades or maybe you look at college, become an accountant or engineer. There's no reason we can't be shipping kids off 14, 15 years old into college nowadays." And then okay, we got some kids who if they don't learn a basic skill they're going to be on the welfare state or drag on society so let's focus on them so yes there now there is ways but you need parents who are very active there was an article a young gal in Alabama uh 17 and she got her master's degree her old man was on her like married family it's like and because you just don't do that as a kid you have to have parents pushing you.

And so her folks.

She homeschooled.

I don't know. How did they like how did that happen?

Well, she had to be homeschooled at a little bit because okay, let's say you're in school, but how do you get your college course and college credits? So, there had to be some homeschooling going on.

Uh, but now she's obviously very high IQ and she's.

An exception.

But why don't we see that more often? There are kids out there with IQs 130 plus that could be out and with a college degree by 17 and completely employable. Um, but with the reason we don't do that, one, and not to sound too cynical, most parents don't love their kids that much to take that much vested interest in them. They send kids to daycare because that's what the public schools largely are. Mommy needs to work, daddy needs to work, we need an SUV, you need to go to the school, and maybe we help you with your homework or not. Um, there's that. And the teachers, teachers don't, they're not teachers are not exceptional people. They're very average. They're very common. They chose teaching generally because they're lazy and they want to have summers off and that work ethic shows they're they're not going to your average third grade teacher does not have the intelligence or the work ethic to take ident to identify take mold and send a a wunderkind on the right track. They got their criteria. They got the curriculum. It's largely up to the parents to say, "Yeah, my kid's smarter than that. We're getting him out of there and send him down that track." But the the the.

The motives and the incentives are all wrong. Parents want free daycare. Teachers want a easy check. With summers off, kids suffer more or less.

My sister's the one that's watching all these kids. She's right out of high school. Yeah. They always say that a mother is like the hardest job on the planet. And I I'm not saying it's it's easy, but my sister's able to do it with no skills right out of high school. So.

Yeah. No, it's not.

It's not just like 10 of your kids at a time.

Yeah. Well, you know.

Sends me selfies with them, you know.

Yeah. It I don't know. I I've had a bunch of kids hanging around. I'm like, just do what I say. You know, it doesn't seem that hard to me, but.

Okay. But the incentive structures are off. And so the challenges that really smart people get, especially boys, because they're non-conformant, is they get bored.

Right?

And then they're not rewarded in the school system, which really it should all be testing now that I think about it. Like what's the what's the point of having.

Like extra like attendance scores?

If you can figure it out without going to class.

Let me let me give you in addition to the population doesn't matter. Let me give you another thing. In the day of the internet, do you think we even need teachers in schools anymore?

No.

If you can teach, the first thing you should be teaching kids is autodidactism, I believe, is the word. Self-teaching. All the information is out there for free. To the point I've even pontificated about a theory that having you have to go to school and certainly paying for tuition is somehow a violation of right to knowledge. Like there should be a right to knowledge or a right to free education where it doesn't matter how you get the education. And if you have the knowledge, it cannot be discriminated against. And so, especially with the internet, now I understand. Okay, kindergarten kids got to learn his ABCs. May dad, okay, fine. And then, okay, your colors I've learned on YouTube was literally from the internet, right? Everything.

And and kids will learn stuff from the internet. But what I'm saying is at a certain point in time, like maybe the third or fourth grade, kids should be a like this is a book. Here's how you read.

Right?

And none of this, well, Jimmy has a learning disability. No, he has crappy parents. Get on it. You know, and if Jimmy really does have an issue, fine. We'll we'll deal with that later. But no, we have mostly lazy parents. You could have these kids going at their own rate, saving trillions over the years of property taxes for schools that we no longer need and probably with better educational results than having a bunch of laxadasical genuinely or generally disinterested teachers. It's a check. That kind of thing. Well, when you see the clips coming out of these teachers [ __ ] the boys.

Well, okay. That's that there's three million teachers in the United States. It's not.

I see like a new story every other week. I'm like, goddamn.

It's very sensational. Yes. It it's uh it it's uh wrong. Uh, yeah.

I'm like, what the what is wrong with you people?

Yeah. Well, I te teachers aren't I'm not a fan of teachers.

Yeah.

I'm not a fan of teachers.

My brother wouldn't date him. I remember I remember in college he's like I went on I went on this date and she was so hot and usually that's my first name. She was so hot. God, she was so stupid. I cannot date these education. He ended up marrying He's about to marry a chick that's going to be an engineer. There you go. That's the ticket.

You could not deal with these like dumb women.

Yeah. No, I got an accountant. So, it's uh Yeah, but the the uh you you can and go look at IQ by major. Teachers are early childhood education is the lowest and then elementary or reg. It depends really. Oh, yeah. They're they're on the bottom third bot bottom quartile.

Wow.

Even Yeah. You don't have your you you definitely do not have your smartest people teaching the kids.

I'm so curious. Where do music majors fall?

Oh, god. Dead last. I mean, they're down I mean, they're not really ch You look it up and it depends on your source. There's different polls and I'm sure different ways they but it it's nothing that you wouldn't expect. Look, if it didn't take math and it didn't take any rigor lower I and when I by the way the average IQ of early childhood education major I think is 103 100 you're still smarter than the average person.

You're still going to college but you know barely.

Um, and then like your astrophysicists are up there with like 140 something there just off.

So you could have been a weren't you close to you could have been a.

Nuclear physicist. I was thinking about becoming a nuclear engineer and there's a piece of me that it probably paid off not to do it because they're decommissioning and.

Um, but yeah, I really I really enjoyed physics. I really enjoyed it. Um, but now I'm an internet podcasting person.

But so when people have really high IQs the issue is society conforms to people with like low IQ bas. And it's and it's not there's no porative or or negative connotation in low IQ or high IQ just as there's no compliment. It's an issue of efficiency.

Mhm.

Your your society has to be built around the average person's intelligence.

Right?

So I'm trying to think of an example.

Tradesmen, where are they in terms of IQ?

Uh, the ones I deal with are like negative. Uh, they're really stupid people. Um, no, I the tradesmen are um They're they're lazy.

I have not seen any data testing tradesmen, but I got to imagine they're higher than average because a lot of that stuff requires some math, log geometry, trigonometry, common sense, whether they're sober or not, uh, whether they know how to finish a job or they have maturity to like I'll do 98% of the job and just mess up the last 2% rendering the whole project pointless. That's another issue. But uh, yes, there's I would guess they're higher than average because the the math involved in precision.

Mhm. Okay. But is the job market similar to the education system where they punish people with high IQ?

Yeah. Oh god. Yeah. No, that's where you're going to run into the the trouble. Um, I didn't think this was true, but they used to say, "Oh, your bosses are intimidated by you." I'm like, "That doesn't mean anything." No, they're not. Why? They're the boss. Why don't they hire me? Why don't they give me more projects? Why don't they? Again, big problem of high IQ people. You overthink. You think why would they do that? Doesn't make any sense. Uh, the amount of petty uh vindictive people in the world like there are people who worry like this kid's going to outshine me. Um, things that even to this day I don't understand. The gray chart story, some banking.

I made a chart. It It was something important where it proved like, "Hey, this this is not going to pay off. We got to stop." And you know what? My boss complained about the color of gray. He didn't like the shading of the gray in the chart. I'm like, "Did you see the number? What do what?" And one thing that smart people have a problem understanding is just how many stupid people there are. But it's not stupid. Let's say you got your average person, right? IQ of 100.

And then you have someone who's legitimately mentally [ __ ] 70 IQ, can't wipe their ass. I mean, really, you know, can't function. So, you're talking two standard deviations, 15, 30 points down from 100 to 70. Now, take someone with an IQ of 130.

You look at someone with an IQ of 100. Because you're in society, you think, well, that person is normal. That that's just a normal person. And they do normal things. They talk English like I do and and whatever else. So they they uh there's no differentiation between them. But then when you inter they can function as a normal human being and they're the majority of the population, but when you interact with them on some key things like here's a chart showing the crisis. Oh geez, you need to do this. I'm sure doctors have a problem with this where the doctor is brilliant. You're like you need to lose weight or you're going to die and they don't understand why they don't lose weight. M.

You have to understand being 130 looking at an average person is the same thing as the average person looking at someone who is actually functionally me mentally [ __ ].

Wow.

You just don't realize it because they're functioning normally. It's in a normal society.

But you know like your brother who went out with the teacher major. I guarantee you if he got tested he's 130 plus and the teacher's like 104 105. Yeah. So, and and then he's like, "Oh my people who could talk about.

The girly shows or the Did you watch the latest soap opera?

Guys who watch sports? Guys who watch get excited about it. You go to the bar.

I don't think my brother watches sports thinking about it.

If if you show me a man with a jersey, a sports jersey with another man's name on it, I'll show you a guy with a 102 IQ who doesn't understand philosophical things like stoicism. You know, but not that they should. It's just I can't associate with I you I don't hate the guy, but do you want to sit and watch two people throw a ball at each other for three hours? No.

My dad I mean they'll watch like the Super Bowl if it's like a big game, but none of them really are that into.

Right. Yeah. I mean, and and some people like sports, but.

If you get to the point you're throwing a controller through a screen TV because some guy who doesn't know your name didn't catch the the funny ball and run it past the line.

Yeah.

Yeah. You you know, it's like Jeff Foxworthy's You might be a redneck. You're like, "Yeah, you might have a low IQ." You know, we could do a whole comedy routine on it.

But it's not really like good or bad. It's just it is.

No, it is what it is. Yeah. It's not If you like football, you like football. If you get emotionally invested in it, you get emotionally invested.

Yeah.

If if you go too far away from that, the guy with Down syndrome don't get it and the super high IQ nuclear physicists don't get it either. And so that's do you think that's why because some of the trad I really I just find that they like it's like I'll be like stat but it's like they don't it almost doesn't compute you know that there's not a lot of wives marriage is disappearing and I'm like no no no look at these these numbers I I think this is real but you know they'll just say pray every day. Do you think that's like a low IQ thing?

It's human.

Okay. They're emotional.

Not not even in a bad way either.

Because it's their emotions invested in their religion.

Yes. They're also religious.

Yeah.

They also are human. One of my flaws is I'm very inhuman.

Okay.

I I I can I can look at Yeah. You're fat. That's why you're not finding God. I have no problems.

None. Because I just didn't have the time when I was younger. Like you know, one girl like this one girl, she had a crush on me. One of the few girls to build up the courage to ask me out.

She's like, "Oh, would you want to go out?" And I remember I was like no and she's just why not? I'm like because you want to have sex. I'll do other things. I'm like yeah yeah no I want to have sex. So and since you were rel I knew she was religious she wouldn't have sex. I I can do that. Um, most people can they have a soul. They have a heart. Okay. They love their wives. They love their god. They love their religion. They like to think that Dennis Prager is an incredibly soulful person.

Right.

He very much cares. He he he probably did make one of the best dads ever.

Yeah.

He's not a great empiricist or economist. It might be a good economist, but you just these people, you can't fault him.

Yeah.

Because they they love people. There's nothing wrong with that. But except for their recommendations.

What do you mean he's not a good economist? I'm not I don't watch his stuff anymore.

He he is I I misspoke. He He's not a good empiricist. I love telling uncomfortable truths because I was lied to so much of my life and everyone that were so popular. I hate popular people because they all promoted the lie and that was the value system before you get into the real world. The value system is popularity and the popular kids typically were lying scheming [ __ ] And it still continues to this day, right? Like, "Well, I got my boat. I got this." And no, you just got debt. I And because I'm an economist or studied it and got You're looking at this horrific [ __ ] that's coming our way that's going to have a horrific effect on everyone. I come in and try and warn people about it. I just got more flak especially in banking. And now I love making people uncomfortable. I love pissing them off. Uh, and whereas beforehand I'm like, "Aren't you concerned about this? This is very serious. I'm just and threatening to get fired. No, no, no. It's war. And I just I love it when people make mistakes. I love it when they when they they get overweight. So, I have no problem. That's why it's called [ __ ] consulting, not nice guy consulting. There's a market for it. There's people that desperately need the truth. Things have gotten so bad in their life. They might listen to constructive criticism. But on the contrast side, then you got like Oprah, which is just touchy, good feelgood lies all the time. Dude, that's been done to death. They just it's done with it. So, I have no problem pointing out things like IQ. I have no problem pointing out whatever inconvenient facts or, you know, your your dot isn't worth $10,000 or any other pretty lie you want to believe like a big is beautiful like guys are going to like you for your personality and other stuff like that. Um, because it's just I don't know life is almost too short.

Yeah. Uh, but there is economic ramifications for constantly lying and so the the patience for lies and kind of tending to the normies and protecting their Fifi. No, I don't have time. No.

I hope someday you would out debate so many people. I could just see it.

Do you know why I would out debate?

Because you're smarter than that.

No.

Go ahead.

Because I'm empirical. I don't have an opinion.

Oh, okay.

I would just go get all the data and the information, right? And then let's say I got all the that we're debating does X exist and I go and I say I don't think X exists. They say oh no X exists. And I go do my research. I found oh looks like X doesn't exist. I wouldn't argue with them. I say yeah it looks like you were right and I was wrong.

But yeah, it's I don't really have debates. I have information and research and.

It's up to you to like kind of disprove that. You said in one of your streams that the people that we think are rich are not generally rich and that is it true that teachers is one of the most common millionaires.

Yes, because of their pensions.

And yeah, they're they're not if you stick it now that may be changing because um they've switched from defined or uh defined benefit to defined contribution going from pensions to 403bs and 457s. So, but yeah, that's that's one of the more common ones is to I I think I know actually a couple teachers uh in the generation before me. Uh, and they're they're well to do. I don't know if they're millionaires, but they good pension and and good savings. Yeah.

Yeah. I think you said it was accounting, engineers, teachers, and I can't remember the fourth. Do you remember that stream?

It was It was really funny. You were giving female dating advice. Like, women, you're selecting for the wrong things. You girls couldn't pick a genuine rich man if the man had bags of money. They you you could set a guy who bought a Lamborghini in front of a guy with a bag of money. I'm like, "Okay, who's the rich guy?" They'll go with the Lamborghini. I'm like, "He has no money. He spent it all on the car. That guy has money. What don't you Why don't you see the money? You only see the stuff."

No, that's You know what's so funny? My dad, he he had a software company with like two. He did really well. Really? Um, and he drove in like a beat up um, it literally looked like a pedophile van for years. Literally, like it looked like one of those like candy, you know?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You never see your kid again. Sure.

My dad, it's so funny. He even now he got like a nice car and then he just bought a Honda Civic. He's like, I'm sick of paying for the gas on this.

It it I have never had a fancy car. Yeah. I never have. And it just it's transportation.

It's transportation. And you know, like I was talking about that dentist before, you know, the or the shoe salesman. Um, no, I was talking to Jeremiah. Um, the the the most legit rich guy I ever met in my banking, he was a a shoe store owner.

And there was a dentist who was rather well off, too. But these are not sexy, flashy people, and you wouldn't you wouldn't know it because you just look like you got his clothes at Goodwill.

Yeah. No, that's what I found like most unless it's first generation wealth, which is like maybe Bitcoin or like like someone who got rich quick but they made enough money that it'll last.

Yeah.

Uh, you meet those occasionally, but I find that like wealthy people really don't show off their wealth.

No, it took if you had to work for it.

Yeah.

It took so much effort, labor, sacrifice, you're not going to give it up. And you sure the hell in the United States aren't going to like advertising so you can get sued? So why a lot of people get trust instead of things like that. Um, yeah, so I I know and and they're not wrong. Women aren't wrong to want a man who's financially stable. Of course, you don't want an unfin a st a a not financially stable man.

But oh my gosh, girls did. There is an entire course on how to go find a financially stable man. But not a single girl is going to sign up for it. They're they're just not going to be interested in it.

They'd rather get the car. They wanna they they conflate the conflate they confuse stuff with wealth.

Okay.

Yeah. If a guy says, "Yeah, I got a fully funded 401k." And then some some,

you know, douche canoe shows up on a boat. Boats are horrible. Like if you if you see a guy with a boat, he's poor. Don't go with a guy with a boat. That's not No. No.

The fully funded 401k.

The fully I know it's boring. I know accountants are nerdy. I know engineers. Oh, just Squaresville. Yeah. Well, they're the ones that like you're not going to starve or like, oh, how are we going to pay the mortgage? I guess I got to go and pull tricks on seeking arrangement or something.

Okay. Um, yeah. Well, thank you so much for coming on. Um, it's such a pleasure to have you here. I quote your book all the time, like on every other show I'm on.

How's that working for you? Does it.

Okay. Well, I I get better at quoting it every time, you know.

Yeah. But they don't listen. So, it's like.

It's got to be frustrating, right? You've been in it longer than me.

After a while, you just don't care. That That's where the p enjoying other people's pain ends up becoming a joy. You shouldn't become a single mom. You tell me how to live my life. Fine, go become one. I don't care. Hey, look, 20 years later. How's it going? How's you not fully funded 401k? You don't even have one. All right. Uh, well, where can the people find you? Where can they get guys? Seriously, I'm going to give my recommendation. Easiest read.

And if you want to dunk on feminists, you can literally just book.

The the you could find search Aaron Clary on Amazon. I have 10 books. Uh, the most popular ones are the ones we've been talking about. A world without men and then the book of numbers, analyzing the ROI and the pursuit of women. Uh, there are other books economically generally philosophically themed if you want to do that. Uh, one maybe for your audience would be how not to become a millennial because you skew younger. That might be one of interest to them. Um.

What does that talk about?

It's all the lies that the baby boomers told the millennials and the consequences that the millennials suffered and then how to get out of that or to avoid it as a younger generation.

Oh.

So it's it's that if you uh it's on audible if you don't want to read a 500-page book. Uh, if you need to contact me for consultation, I run a company called Asel Consulting. Go to essulting.com. Uh, and then YouTube, just search me there where I do most of my consultations. It's like a dear Abby. They send in a question and I answer it on YouTube, but I also have podcast and things on you or I just spew uh whatever I want to talk about. And that's about it. Those are those are the main places you can catch me. And oh, and then I I apologize. Uh, I also have courses uh largely financially related like how to stop being lazy, the dad you never had and um achieving financial excellence. That's all offered through uh Teachable. So if you don't like reading books but you want to get your financial act together, you can find that stuff there.

Yeah, guys, I watch his streams all the time. It's really funny. He like goes in. My favorite one is female dating advice. That's like my.

Those are very popular. No one listens to it, but they're very popular. So funny. Okay guys, make sure you like the video on your way out. Um, subscribe to the channel, ring that notification bell, and let me know who you want to see on next time on the sitdown. I'll talk to you guys later. I.