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Okay. Why do you support Donald Trump?
Um, all right. Well, I mean, I'm I'm like right-wing. Like, I'm a conservative, so like I wouldn't. I'm not progressive on a lot of these social issues. Like, like the transgender issue and abortion and a lot more of those. I think his economic policies, uh, I haven't looked into as much. You know, like I'm young. I I did kind of vote more on social issues, but I know a lot of what he a lot of what he's been doing lately has been um you know kind of screwing over like our population. You know, I don't really I don't really like a lot of what he's been doing kind of lately over the last couple of months. But on social issue on I'm sorry on social on social issues like abortion and things like that like I'm I'm conservative, you know, like I value like uh the like traditional family values, things like that, you know, like what our country was built on. Um, yeah, man.
Okay. Um, uh, do you think Donald Trump is upholding traditional family values himself?
Um, yeah, I'd say so.
He cheated on every single one of his wives. Is that a traditional family value?
What? What did he do?
He cheated on every single one of his wives that he's that he's had.
Is that a family value? A traditional family value?
Well, um, the guy's character himself, like I don't know. He he's kind he has a questionable character of course, but like he he he's you know he's conservative like he's going to be putting more like like family first things like that you know.
Okay. Could you give me an examp
Um well like I said I haven't looked into his uh economic policies as much like I
I didn't ask you that. I asked you like what traditional family values that he upholds and how he upholds them.
We can say Merry Christmas again, you know. We can say uh both sides we can like embrace our traditions more.
What traditions?
Well, I mean that's that's uh
Like you you can be proud to be white. You know what I mean? You don't need to like be feel like a victim.
What do you mean by proud to be white?
You can be proud to be white like you can like you can be proud of your culture of you know your European.
Being white is not your culture.
Yeah, it is.
No, it's not.
Yeah, it is, man.
Not not a relevant part of the culture that you should care about.
Why? Why? Wait, tell me what aspects of our culture you like. American culture. What are aspects of our culture you like?
Of course. Um, families, families, uh, you know, like church, uh, the church, u, being able like, you know, going to like your son's little league game, baseball, you know, like like things like that, man. I like uh like where I grew up, you know. It's like I I like, you know, like baseball, things like that, you know.
Anything else?
That's the
Um well, like I I can't think of a lot of examples, but just our our way of life, you know what I mean?
What else? uh uh companies like businesses, free markets, you know, uh just being like the uh freedom, like gun rights. Um, you know, like our our uh like the Constitution, like our our forefathers, you know what I'm saying? And I think you should be proud of that. Um
Let me ask you this question here real quick. What about this has to do with you being white?
Um everything like
Really? Are you are you Christian?
Yeah, I'm a Christian.
Yeah. Is Jesus white?
Uh he would have likely had olive brown skin.
Okay. So So your Lord and Savior who you just said that you should base your religion off of your values and you should go to church. That's an aspect of quote unquote white culture is in worship of someone who's not white.
Um well I I guess so but I I don't really think that
Okay. That's like I don't I don't think that
So so again nothing about what you said did had to maintain the country to be white. One two you literally worship someone who is not white right?
Yeah.
Okay. Okay. So, if you worship someone who is not white, what is your obsession with the culture of our country staying white? If you had all of those particular attributes that you just mentioned, but the country was not white, would you have an issue with that?
Yes.
Really? Why? Because it doesn't seem like it's any of the aspects of the culture that you cared about there. It sounds like it's just skin color.
Well, I mean it's um it's it's more about like like our like uh Oh, I mean Okay. No. Okay. Um
Yeah. Like do you want to give an actual response?
Because right there you just said all you cared about the skin color and it's not the culture. So when you hide behind this like idea or mask of saying, "Oh, it's specifically this particular type of culture in America that we care about." Well, American culture isn't just for white people. You understand that there's American culture, right? That has nothing to do with white people. Like for example, black Americans, do they have culture?
Of course. Yeah.
Is that a part of American culture?
Um, yeah.
So the idea of American culture, specifically being white is obviously an absurd, insane, ridiculous idea, right? That only, right, uh, is meant to harm people that don't meet that particular set of criteria of quote unquote being white. It's not about the culture. It's not about the families, the church, the little league games, the companies, the businesses, freedoms, the gun rights, the constitution. It's about skin color to you. And if you did actually care about the Constitution, well, you wouldn't support Trump, who called for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found the Constitution, has violated multiple uh constitutionally protected rights, is literally violating the law right now and literally not giving out all of the Epstein files.
Well, look, Parker, Parker, do you feel like you're an oppressor? Like with the movement you're a part of, do you think as a white man you're like an oppressor because you're a white man?
I don't think that as a person myself I'm oppressing people but I think that system that we have in our society does oppress marginalized communities. All right. And oftent times right uh specifically white men right in these particular positions will have a privilege from that system where they won't be disenfranchised by said system. So, I'm not necessarily saying like me myself, I'm engaging in like oppressing people, but I am saying that like we live in a society that I'm not disenfranchised based upon the fact that I'm white. I'm not disenfranchised on the fact that I'm a man. Those are privileges that I have in this in the society.
Well, anyway, look, I I came up here to ask you about Simon Parker. Um, it's like uh
You don't want to respond to any of the points I just made?
Well, look, you're making good points, man. I mean that's like I I can't think of an argument right now. No. But um you know since Charlie Kirk a few months ago and we're seeing things like you know you were at America Fest um you know this was it this weekend or and you were being harassed by like you said a group of
Mhm. This was this was after MFEST.
All right.
And I I didn't even go inside. I was just outside like on like the like the like just talking to Trump supporters going in.
Yeah. Can you agree that like since Charlie like I don't know if you and Dean have been like I've seen clips you guys joking about well at least I don't know about you but I've seen Dean joking about it saying we are Charlie Kirk lol you know like um
Yeah, that's making fun of people who are idolizing him to a degree where they say that they are Charlie Kirk
Right, that's not making fun of Charlie Kirk dying
Well, the guy's dead anyway so
They're not making fun of Charlie Kirk making fun of the person that uh is saying that they are Charlie Kirk
Well, Don't you think it's kind of messed up making you lie to, you know, like the guy that's just died like two months ago?
Do you care about Donald Trump literally saying that Rob Reiner died because of TDS?
Um Oh, okay. Well, yeah, I did hear about that.
You don't?
Yeah. No. Okay. That that's messed up. If he said something about that,
He did that. He also called for the execution of some Democrats because they said to follow the law and to not follow unlawful orders. He retweeted someone saying hed them. George Washington would. And by the way, just recently deleted tweet.
He kept up the other ones talking for saying sedicious behavior is punishable by death and the other one. But he literally deleted that one. He probably heard from someone to delete it. I've seen personally it on his Twitter.
I mean on his true story.
He was getting a lot of back he was getting a lot of backlash about that. I heard. But um what what the point I'm kind of making is like I feel like since Charlie Kirk, we've been seeing a lot more far right like people like Nick Fuentes um political commentators come up like especially with the youth like younger men like us. Um like he's become so much more popular since Charlie Kirk got and I'm starting and I'm starting to kind of say like maybe even for you guys it ended up being a really bad thing that Charlie Kirk because he was like now we're seeing he was kind of really moderate, you know, and like a fair guy. He was really
I don't know if he was necessarily considerably moderate, but I think that the rightwing is fractured right now.
If anything, he was holding up a base of the conservative movement and that doesn't exist anymore and now it's in freef fall and there's a bunch of infighting. So I if anything it was it was worse for you guys, but I don't know if you'd want to make that argument. Like I don't think that you should even look at it from that perspective. It was horrific what happened. You don't want like that to happen in our society. That's obviously up.
Of course.
Right.
Of course. But like I'm just asking if you're
But that doesn't like make from my perspective like Charlie like a good person or anything or mean that he was like upholding a good movement, right? We can still acknowledge that we disagree with perspectives while simultaneously acknowledging that.
Yeah. Well, he was a really polite guy. Like you look at his videos, you look at his videos now.
He he like he was super polite.
He called me deranged.
Well, I I don't know, man. But
So are you going to justify that? That was that's polite to you?
I don't think he was very polite to women. I don't think he was polite to trans people. I don't think he was polite in plenty of circumstances.
I don't think he was polite to people who were black.
What?
He was like so pro women. Like he he's like got videos talking about
Yeah. So he was telling Taylor Swift to submit to her husband.
He was talking about his staff being women. Like he's so respectful to his wife. Like he he's like super pro- wife.
Wait, wait, wait. I have a question. I have a question. Do you think women should submit to men?
Um, like I I feel like there there's a complex with like a a husband and a wife kind of thing.
Yeah. And I'm asking you a question. Do you think that the women should submit to the men?
No, they they shouldn't submit like if you
Well, that's what Charlie Kirk says. You disagree with Charlie Kirk saying that uh women should should submit to men in marriage
And but not not the other way around, right?
What?
Well, I mean like there is a level of power that like the man has in the relationship like not like to controlling the wife but like just in the relationship in general like the man like the husband you know usually has the income and you know is like the man of the house you know things like that.
Having the income doesn't mean you have any more say over like the relationship.
Yeah. Well,
So when women have more Wait, so when women have more income than men, they have more say over the relationship?
Well, like we can't act like women and men are the same. They're not answer. When women make more than men, like in a particular relationship, does that mean that the woman right gets more control in the relationship?
No.
No. Okay. So, it's not about how much money you're making. So, what is it? Tell me. There's an inherent thing there of like uh men and women. There there's a there's a difference between men and women, you know, and there's going to be like men are obviously more dominant naturally. Men are naturally more
What do you mean by more dominant?
Like uh more like masculine and like brazen than women, you know? They're
So men are more masculine. When you say masculine, you just mean like things.
Sorry. Well, like in the nature of masculinity is like confidence and strength, you know, and leadership and um
Well, there's but you're only looking at positive traits, not negative traits. There are plenty of negative traits you could associate with masculinity as well over expressions of masculinity, right? And also, by the way, you know that women do that as well. If anything, you know that we can point to circumstances where women are in these positions of leadership, they do better, whether it be CEOs, whether it be surgeons, whether it be in countless different fields, women on average have a higher IQ than men.
I heard the opposite. I heard on average men have six IQ points higher than women.
Well, if you care about IQ, I don't necessarily think IQ is the greatest measure always, but if you care about IQ, which typically people who run this argument do, right? Uh then you would have to acknowledge that women have a higher average IQ than men, like on average.
Yeah. I thought um I saw a study once and it was like in certain fields like depending on how you measured the IQ, men have like typically six IQ points higher than women. But maybe I'll
Where did you find that?
U well I searched it up once like a year ago. That's what I came up with. But I don't know maybe that was a a source that you wouldn't find valid or but yeah. Um but yeah, what like what I'm kind of trying to say is I think char like Charlie Kirk being is definitely a net negative for the left like in general because he was really like now we're seeing Nick Fuentes like I think Nick Fuentes is a terrible guy bro. I think he's he's like he's like a man all this like things he says about you know Israel and like you know it's it's that this guy is uh you know I've seen him like you know talking was cool the
Yeah, that that's obviously like he's obviously anti-semitic right and
Like what's your what's your point with this is that you don't want the party to be more like that
Charlie Kirk was like family values and he was just like a regular American guy he was just a American dude you know and like the left didn't like him because he's so progressive, you know, 2020 uh non-binary and all the all these crazy things, you know.
Dude, I literally just gave you explanations for he definitely was not just some normal dude.
What do you think about non-binaryism, man? Because that's a very new
Non-binary ism. Uh I think people who are non-binary have legitimate identities.
Well, there's nothing wrong with being non-binary.
Uh well, don't you think that like there's it can get to a point where it's just a mental illness? Like if someone
Being non Wait, you think being non-binary is is is a mental illness?
Can can you tell me where in the DSM being non-binary is listed?
Well, I mean, obviously you have a gender, right? Like there's there's men and women. Obviously, you're a man or a woman or a girl or a boy.
I think someone can be non-binary. What's wrong with that?
Well, it's like you're just like denying reality. Like you're a girl.
No, they're not. They acknowledge their biological sex. They just say that their gender specifically is not reflective of being a man or a woman.
Supposed to accept that as a society.
Yeah, that makes sense. What's wrong with that?
Well, like like it it can get to a point where it's like, you know, like oh yeah, I'm I feel like today like I'm a I'm a leopard, you know, I'm a chimpanzee.
No, that has nothing to do with us. Okay. So being a leopard or being a a chimpanzee would specifically be uh like a biological set of criteria as of what we're referencing in terms of animals when we're referencing gender in this context. We're referencing people's commitments towards certain social and cultural norms that are typically associated with the sex as a prescription of identity. We're not talking about specifically just biological sex. If you want to talk about denying science, well then how do you feel about Donald Trump saying uh that the uh that the climate's going to start cooling? Science just doesn't know it yet. How do you feel about him saying that uh windmills were causing whales to die in numbers never seen before and that uh what's it called? We should look into disinfectant by injection to fight CO 19.
Well, look Parker, let's stay on the topic of conversation about
That was directly like that's him denying science.
Well, um but I mean like it gets to a point where like yeah, you can say what if someone doesn't identify like society with being a human? What would you say about that? Like they they don't feel societal. I think that what we're saying in terms of human is a biological term.
Now, if you want to reference like are using human in a non-biological sense, I don't think anyone typically used that way. Now, think about it this way. Think about it this way. You have a name, right?
Yep.
Can I biologically determine that your name is your name?
Um, no.
Can you choose and change your name?
Uh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Does that mean it's an invalid identity?
No.
Oh, okay. Well, yeah, I Well, you can you could also say that about a lot of things like you can choose and change like that's Wait and just because you can change your name doesn't mean you can that every other social construct operates the same way, right? Doesn't mean that you can just call yourself whatever name you want to. Like it doesn't mean that when you are saying that by name your name is squirrel that you actually are legitimately a squirrel, right?
That's a separate thing, man. Like that's not what that's not what I'm even talking about.
Like when someone their name is Daisy, that doesn't mean they're literally a Daisy. Okay.
Obviously, right?
Okay. So, do you understand my point, right?
Um Yeah. Well, I I think we're talking about something else like you're talking about
It's a social construct. It's an identity and is a prescription for how we refer to each other.
True. But at the same time, like other things could be considered a societ like a social construct that that are that like you you can't you can't just change or like be like like what is uh so do you think a um do you think a man can become do you think a biological man can become a biological female?
Uh no. No, I don't think someone can go from being biologically a male to female.
All right. Okay. Well, that's like the extreme lift. And then do you think you think
I don't think anyone I've never met someone that believes
I've seen lives saying that trans women.
Yeah. So, let me let you know. Wait. Biologically female. Are are they talking from a neuroscientific perspective? Because there are neuroscience papers that indicate that like trans women and trans men have brain scans that typically align with or align more towards their gender identity than their like
What what is typically associated with like cis individuals that have the same biological sex as them.
Neurologically you can be insane like you can you can align with anything and that doesn't mean biologically that you are that thing. So
Again, no one's claiming that their biology changed here. We're not making that claim.
Yeah,
That's Wait, but again, what does that have to do with being non-binary?
Do you think non-binary individuals deny their biological sex?
Um I soc I feel like your bi you can't you can't change your your bi your societal sex, you know? You you can't like you just if you're a man.
So I have a question.
I I have a question. Do you think that they're deni Do you think non-binary individuals are denying their biological sex?
No, they're not denying their biological Well, I mean
Okay, so then what So then what's your issue?
Well, I I think some of them are probably. And also,
Do you have pronouns?
Um,
What are your pronouns?
I don't I don't I don't ride that 2020 bus, man. I say we say goodbye.
You don't have pronouns?
Um, yeah, I have pronouns, bro.
Okay, so you do have pronouns. So, you do ride the 2020 bus or something, whatever you were trying to say. So, what are your pronouns?
My pronouns are there is Z/Zair, man. They're Zer. So, you got to refer to me as Z.
Genuinely, what are your pronouns? I know that you don't have neo pronouns. Tell me, what are your pronouns?
He him.
I don't remember. So, so you do have pronouns, but you were trying to deny that earlier because you thought it was like too woke to acknowledge that you had pronouns, but then you realized you were about to get dunked on because just acknowledging that you have pronouns. It's just like, you know, basic normal [ __ ] in English. And it's not like
The whole pronoun ideology is just like
Pronoun ideology mean everyone has pronouns,
Right?
Yeah. Well, there's a difference between what you refer to people as like like she her and like you know saying that uh you like you can't change your pronouns. Yeah, I have pronouns but like you can't change your pronouns, you know? That's just like what I am. If I'm if I'm a man, I'm a male. Like my pronouns are he him. I can't I can't change that. And if I want to be called that, like I'm not going to make other people I want to be called something else, I'm not going to make people do that, you know, like because that's
Can you change your name?
Yeah, you can change your name.
Okay. But that's different because that's not like your name is like it it can be anything but your sex like your gender is another thing like that's just if you're a man or a woman you know.
Okay. So again do you understand the difference between gender and sex or do I have to explain it to you again?
Yeah. Okay. There there's but that's also a part of the 2020 thing like
A part of the 2020 thing. What do you mean Donald Trump denying the 2020 election results? Do do you believe the 2020 election was stolen?
No. I just think 2020 is the most woke year. And also there there is a lot of
Can you define woke?
Can you define woke?
Uh like extremely radical left is specific.
What what is what is extremely radical left? Like um you know pro like uh transgenderism um pretty much your whole thing pretty much you you and Dean's whole thing is
Can you just be specific and also trans people just trans people existing
Well, I don't think I don't think trans people like like like what I'm trying to argue I don't think trans people like if you're a man you can't become a woman you like that's just
That's not the claim we're just saying that trans women are women and trans men are men now again trans people's existence how is that extremely radical left.
No, I'm sorry cuz I I was I was saying there, man. I'm sure you heard me. You guys aren't radical left. You guys are just like regular left-leaning um in America. But Pork, let me ask you, don't you like feel any like connection to your roots and like cuz I mean you're obviously like you're a white American. Don't you feel
That's so cringe.
Like you're you're you're
No, I don't know why why you attribute my roots to just being white.
That's really weird, dude.
What do you have to attribute with you being white? Like lack of seasoning on food to be happy about? Like what is what specifically? What do you want? Like a cookie for being white? Do you want a cookie? You want a cookie for being white?
Like the Civil War. The Civil War.
Dude, he wants recognition for being white. Oh my gosh. You're so great because of it. Is that what you want to hear? You want us to get our hands on knees and be like, "Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.
This is what you and Dean do. You guys go to childish games. Like that's not what I'm playing.
Dude, I think it's childish for you to care about your me being white as a basis for any of this. I think that's incredibly childish. Why don't you look at your own behavior as childish for once?
What do you mean? That's what you are. It's not like childish to say that you're white. Like, yeah, you're white. I'm white. You know,
No. It's childish to say that. That's like a basis for like culture that you should care about, right? In terms of like quote unquote preserving like the idea that you brought up earlier. It sounds like you're arguing for an ethnostate. Do you want 50% of the country plus to be white?
Um, I don't think that's a bad thing. Like I wouldn't be I wouldn't be against that. I'm I'm pro like my own like my values and my
If if the country became majority non-white, would you be okay with that?
If it became majority like Muslim or you know like
Muslim is not a race.
You know there are white Muslims, right?
Yeah. But it's
Okay. So can you tell me answer this question? If the country became majority non-white, would you be okay with that?
Probably not because
This is what I mean, dude. Like, you care about someone's skin color. You care about being white, dude. That's so cringe. It's nothing to do with characteristics, nothing to do with culture. It's nothing to do with anything legitimate. It's literally just you care about people's skin color. You're weird, bro.
No, man. It's I'm not like I'm not racist, bro. I'm not I'm not a racist. I mean, it sounds like a racist view to me to be totally honest because advocating for an ethnostate,
Right? Keeping the country over 50% white is absolutely right, going to be a racist take because you're you're claiming it's preferable to have white people in the country than non-white individuals.
All I'm saying is being like white being white is typically associ associated with my like um you know like traditional like the culture itself. the culture itself.
If it was okay, but I I asked you I asked you what this culture is that you like and I asked you if all of these characteristics were true, but the country were majority not white, would you still have an issue with it? And you said yes, because what you care about is skin color. You don't care about any of these aspects of the culture. You're just trying to hide behind the mask, hide behind these as reasons when you don't actually give a [ __ ] about that. And all it is is that you just have racist opinions.
No, man. Look, I I just want a country where I can say Merry Christmas. Like I want a country,
Dude. That has nothing to do with you being white. You know there are countries around the world where they say Merry Christmas and they are majority non-white.
You know that we could still say Merry Christmas and be majority non-white. Did you know that?
Would you be okay? Would you be okay with the country being in a manner in which we say Merry Christmas but we're majority non-white? Would you be okay with that?
Yes. That I would be okay with that as long as we're majority. you like I just want
At least we changed your mind on that cuz you did not come into this conversation with that opinion. You five minutes ago you weren't with that opinion. What I was trying to say like you you debunked me but what like that's all I was trying to say was that it's like being white is typically connected with you know my cultural values my uh but that's you know of course yeah if people were non-white and they were Christians like that would be okay you know
Yeah, there's so many countries around the world where there's high levels of Christianity actually higher than here in the United States and they are majority not white.
Yeah, well, that's that's good.
Okay, so then you're okay with Christians from any country, right? Coming to our country, right?
Yeah. Especially to seek refuge, all these people in um all these Christians getting like Well, what's the African country? All these African Christians.
Well, so you believe in the asylum process. Do you think they should have to stay in Mexico while they try to seek asylum in our country?
Um, yeah, because if not, like that's for a reason. Our country our country would be overloaded, man, if we didn't if if people didn't have to seek asylum.
You don't think people with valid asylum claims should be able to stay in the country?
Um, like if they came here Well, oh, well, if they came here and then they're saying they can't go back because there's like gangs. Well, that's just like we have gangs here too, you know? Like that's not our that can't be our main priority.
No, but you have to you has to be based upon a certain protected class.
Yeah. Okay. Um, yeah. Like I feel like if if we've got g Mexican gang members over here and they they're saying that they can't go back because you know the gang is going to kill them like if they if they go back home like
I don't know why you're assuming people coming from Mexico are gang members. Did you know that undocumented immigrants coming to the country in general which by the way most of which are not Mexican by the way just to clarify um they are at a lower likelihood of committing violent crime and property crime in the country comparative to natural born US citizens by multiple times lower rates. By the way,
The reason I assume they might be a part of a gang coming from Mexico is because they have the cartel and they have they're like Mexico is ran by gangs. Mexico is like owned by gangs. Like
But that's absurd to say because there are gangs within Mexico that have a lot of power. That means that you assume someone coming from Mexico is from a gang. Do you understand that? That's a ridiculous thing to say.
They obviously have a higher likelihood of being part of a gang if the country is run by gangs. I just want to let you know
People coming from Mexico who are undocumented have a lower uh likelihood of committing violent crime crime and property crime in the country comparative to natural born US citizens. Did you know that?
Well, I I didn't know that but um that's that's surprising because
It's surprising because because you've bought the propaganda that has been demonizing people from other countries including Mexico, right? And then coming here
Because they're doing it for political gain. They're doing it for division and you're buying right into that division. And you want to know why they use this? They use this because it allows for themselves to distract away from other issues. Whether it be not releasing the Epstein files, whether that be the destructive and evil economic policy of the Trump administration, actively going after people's access to food stamps and Medicaid,
They use this as a distraction mechanism and it works for a lot of people because their hatefulness and bigotry, right, blinds them from thinking critically.