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Do you think that Joe Biden assaulted Tara Reed?
>> Uh, I could have if there was evidence of it. Sure.
>> What do you mean if there was? This was a prominent accusation before he ran for office in 2020. You're clearly a woman who takes these accusations very seriously. So, what do you mean? Why are you so incurious?
>> So, Trump, Trump's a bad man. He's with Epstein. Give us the evidence. What you got?
>> Um, are the photos not good enough for you? What photos? That before Epstein was convicted of things, that he was at a couple of parties and [ __ ] that Trump was at?
>> Right. So, what was the reason? So, what exactly was the reason that um Trump and Epstein stopped being friends? Like, what, what, what caused that?
>> Well, there's several, there's several things, right? One of the narratives is uh that Trump thought he was misbehaving at Mar-a-Lago and asked him to leave, and that was sort of the end of their friendship. Uh, this seems to be at least partially true, uh, confirmed independently because we see people that are considered realistic victims of Epstein, like Virginia Giuffre, uh, saying that Trump never attempted anything with her. Uh.
>> You got a very loud keyboard there. Uh, now, now we'll do a quid pro quo then since you asked me a question. Uh, you support a party that was heavily, heavily, heavily influenced and had people working with, such as the Clintons. They're all through the Epstein files, worse than Trump with confirmed stuff. Uh, did you ever speak up against that when you were supporting Obama and voted for him, and his secretary of state was Hillary Clinton?
>> Why did you SUPPORT A PARTY THAT I'm sorry? Did I, I'm sorry. Did I support? Did I speak up against it before we knew he was in the files? Is that what you're asking me? You're asking me if I had a psychic vision and said, like, "Oh my god, there's Bill Clinton in the files. Yes, I won't support him now."
>> No, no, no, no. Let me, let me, let me be clear. What point did you start to hear or know anything about Jeffrey Epstein?
>> What, what point? Uh, probably in 2019.
>> 2019? Before that? Maybe that.
>> So then when you saw at that point, you knew for example that Epstein was such good friends with Bill Clinton that he had a painting of him in a dress in his house. Uh, so surely when you saw the Clintons campaigning for the Democrats, for Joe Biden, right, and Biden happily accepting that, you were like, "Oh my gosh, these people that are child assaulters, like the Clintons, are working for the guy I'm supporting." And he's not denouncing him, right? You, you surely said that, right? Well, wait. Because I thought that since Trump had photos with Epstein as well, we were going to like ignore all the things beforehand, right?
>> Well, you're the person that's telling me that I can't support Trump, right? What I'm saying is you seem to be, okay. So, what you seem to be very, very, uh, very into and think it's a huge deal, uh, that he had a CONNECTION WITH EPSTEIN. MY QUESTION IS, you had the option to not support the party that was totally taking help with the people that were more connected to Epstein, but you chose not to. Instead, you chose to support them.
>> I'm sorry. Like Hillary Clinton.
>> Yes. Clinton.
>> Is the same person as, is the same person as Bill Clinton.
>> Well, not only like.
>> Are they the same person?
>> There are in the fi, in the files, there are connections from the Clintons, both of them, I think. But with Bill, we know that not only did she support in the past him and what he was going on and defend him with that, she also actively, according to some of the alleged victims of Bill Clinton, like Juanita Broaddrick, WENT AFTER THEM HERSELF.
>> OKAY. SO, people that were victims of Bill Clinton.
>> Psychically figure this out before the files were released.
>> You didn't. Well, you didn't know about Juanita Broaddrick. You didn't know about all the women that uh Clinton WAS ACCUSED OF ASSAULTING. YOU DIDN'T KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU DIDN'T KNOW.
>> I DIDN'T know about the ones Trump was. I mean, those came out. Knew the ones about Trump.
>> I did. YOU KNOW ABOUT TARA REED? DID YOU KNOW ABOUT TARA?
>> Was way before that her. Did you know about her?
>> No. Did you know about Tara Reed?
>> But again, we're not voting for Bill [laughter] Clinton. We're voting for Hillary.
>> No, NO, NO, NO. TARA. Hillary Clinton in the files.
>> Tara Reed was the woman who accused Joe Biden of assaulting her.
>> Okay.
>> And you voted for him?
>> Well, of course. Yeah, sure. But again, are we moving the goal? You're moving the goal post all. MOVING THE GOAL POST. YES, YOU'RE MOVING THE goal all over the place, buddy. What are you talking about? I'm not moving. You're making. No, here's what we're going to. Here's what we're going to do. You call IN AND YOU'RE LIKE, I THINK that you couldn't support someone that's accused of these sort of things. I say, "Did you support Biden?" I DID. OKAY. HE WAS ACCUSED of those things. I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
>> WHERE IS Biden coming from? Like all of a sudden Biden.
>> Did you vote for Biden?
>> Oh, yeah. I voted for Biden.
>> Okay. Even though he was credibly accused.
>> Biden on this list? Where is Biden in the files or no? Because it, it doesn't seem to be very uh.
>> Biden was accused by other women.
>> By other women. Okay. And were those accusations ever carried out? Was there a court case? Did they go to court? Like, what happened?
>> Has Trump been arrested? Did he have a court case in the Epstein files?
>> Did he? He hasn't. Well, he's can't because he's the president. So.
>> Okay. How about before then? These files have been around for a long time. No.
>> No.
>> Even when Biden was president, THEY DIDN'T PROSECUTE.
>> THEY were they were not released yet because they were still under, they were still under a judge, so they couldn't be released yet.
>> That's not true. The president couldn't. Biden, Biden could have went beyond that. That's what people say about Trump.
>> Yes, that's certainly true. Biden absolutely could have declassified the law. Biden followed the law.
>> No, THAT'S NOT TRUE. SO, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. YOUR ARGUMENT IS Biden released every single Epstein file that he could have.
>> Legally.
>> No, because that wasn't his concern. There was like a.
>> Was it your concern? Why wasn't he concerned about child victims?
>> Because there was like a pandemic and that probably wasn't at the forefront of his mind. Like.
>> Okay, so for two years there was a pandemic. How about the two years after?
>> So the fact that we.
>> How about the two years after the pandemic? Why didn't he release these videos?
>> There was an active court case with Maxwell. Show me the. Show me the court case that was active that he couldn't release files that were unrelated to.
>> Why would he? Why would he release files that were? Could we know that they were held up by the Florida court?
>> Yes.
>> Some. Not all.
>> Some.
>> Even still, there are still files that courts are saying should be under lock and key. YET PEOPLE LIKE YOU let me finish. People like YOU ARE DEMANDING THAT TRUMP should release them. Correct.
>> Yeah, that's he has a court order to do so. So he.
>> Yes, but there's also court orders. He doesn't have a court order. There was a law that was passed in Congress, but it's hard to comply with court orders as well that are saying that some of this stuff needs to be redacted or shouldn't be released.
>> Now, if you're so concerned, HOW ABOUT THIS? WHAT WAS RELEASED? When was Epstein first arrested?
>> 2019.
>> That's not true. Try 2008.
>> Um, 2008 for what?
>> 2009. It's when he ended up pleading g uh pleading guilty to like child sex trafficking.
>> Okay. So.
>> Why didn't Obama release files for eight years?
>> Oh, okay, great. So, if he was if he was in, if he was uh.
>> You could answer my question and then you could go.
>> He was arrested. No, if he was arrested.
>> If you don't want to answer my question, we could end the conversation. That's fine.
>> Why didn't Obama release those files?
>> Why did they basically have a sweetheart?
>> Assume he would have the files. Why would you.
>> Why wouldn't the president of the United States have these sort of files and have access to them?
>> Like he just has them in his back pocket. Like, what are you talking about? Running the country? Do you think Trump did?
>> Yes. Because he had.
>> So Trump did. Trump's not busy running the country, but Obama was.
>> Said he had him, right? So.
>> Obama, just to be clear, can you explain to me the court process when there's an FBI? Who's in charge of the FBI?
>> Um, I don't know who the FBI director was at the time.
>> Well, who's ultimately at the top of the food chain? What branch is the FBI fall under?
>> Oh, right. The uh, it's under the president. So.
>> The executive. So who would have ultimate authority?
>> Yeah. So that would that would be the president.
>> And who is the president in this first trial of of Epstein?
>> So, okay, what we're.
>> What you're doing here, right, is you're kind of moving the goalpost again because then I'm putting out, you don't give A [ __ ]. I'M POINTING OUT WHAT WE ALL KNOW. I'M PUTTING OUT WHAT WE ALL KNOW IS TRUE. YOU DON'T give a [ __ ] ABOUT THESE PALS. YOU never gave a [ __ ]. You never did.
>> Okay.
>> You don't care. That's why you had no problem when Democrat presidents were there and didn't do [ __ ] all when they were connected to Ep. You didn't.
>> Did Biden, I mean, I'm sorry. Did Trump say he was going to release the files or Sure. I guess have files BEEN RELEASED UNDER TRUMP? I'M NOT I'M NOT GOING TO LET YOU RUN away from this because if if Epstein was convicted in 2008 for um child sex trafficking and again, we have photos and all sorts of videos and letters and all sorts of [ __ ] of of Trump being.
>> Before that, of Trump being with Epstein, would then still not assume that Epstein and Trump were together doing things?
>> Okay, so just.
>> Why would you not assume?
>> I just want to be clear. YOUR ARGUMENT IS BEFORE I want to steal this. Before the arrest, before 2009, there are pictures of Trump with Epstein. Correct. Therefore, you assume Trump was assaulting children.
>> Is that not how the the train of logic that you're following?
>> Well, I don't. I. Show me where I followed that chain of logic.
>> Why don't you follow that train of logic?
>> I BEFORE YOU ASK IF I FOLLOW, I just want to be clear. That's your chain of logic.
>> No. So what, why are you.
>> I'M ASKING BEFORE I WILL EXPLAIN MY POSITION. I SAID IS this what you're saying? You're saying, isn't this what you're saying? I'm saying no, it's not what I'm saying. Are you making the claim that prior to? Are you making the claim that prior to 2009, if we see pictures of Trump with Epstein, that proves or most likely suggests he assaulted children?
>> It can. Yeah.
>> No, not it can. My question is, does it?
>> It doesn't. Yes. Yes, it does.
>> Okay. So then if I show you pictures, for example, of Barack Obama with Epstein, you're going to say he too assaulted children.
>> Why was? Where do you have pictures of that?
>> I'm just ASKING YOU IF I SHOW THAT PICTURE, WHICH I'M GOING TO BRING UP HERE, YOU'LL SAY, "YEP, that's good enough for me. Obama assaulted children."
>> No, because why not?
>> Trump and [laughter].
>> Because Trump and Epstein have a long history. OBAMA.
>> SO NOW IT CHANGES. Now it changes. Now the.
>> It doesn't change anything.
>> Yes. That you notice now. Do you see before just having those pictures? Okay. Yeah, you're acting like one picture. Oh, yeah. They said. No, I didn't. I said long.
>> That is what you said. Are you making the claim that prior to? Are you making the claim that prior to 2009, if we see pictures of Trump with Epstein, that proves or most likely suggests he assaulted children?
>> It can. Yeah.
>> No, not it can. My question is, does it?
>> It doesn't. Yes. Yes, it does.
>> Okay.
>> I said a long history of having a a financial history. They were uh homeowners together. They were doing all sorts of business deals. They have.
>> Businessmen do business deals. GREAT.
>> YEAH. THEY THEY they have they have [ __ ] going back like in the 80s. You're telling me that one photo with Obama proves anything in what 500 photos?
>> How many photos would I need to show you with Obama? How many parties would they had to have been dictated?
>> No, it doesn't have to do with how many parties, bro. It has to do with it has to do with their history.
>> How, how long IS.
>> NOW, WHAT I WOULD ARGUE WHAT I WOULD ARGUE IS.
>> Epstein's history with Obama.
>> What I would argue. What I WOULD ARGUE IS THIS. There is no evidence whatsoever that's credible to any degree that shows that after this conviction, that Trump had any sort of meaningful relation with Epstein. There's no evidence other than just alleged tips that were never verified that Trump and most of those came after Trump was running for office that Trump did anything untoward with like anybody involved with Epstein, right? None. And I would say that there were probably a lot of people, including many, many Democrats, that had some sort of relationship with a billionaire. Look, a lot of these relationships MIGHT BE [ __ ] AS WELL. LET ME FINISH. LET ME FINISH. LET me finish you because.
>> One OF US IS MAKING IF THERE'S PICTURES THAT PROVES THAT THEY DID SOMETHING. I'M taking the more reasonable position that I don't think that's the case. Republican or Democrat. I THINK THE EVIDENCE becomes stronger if after you knew he was convicted, you continued to reach out to him like Hakeem Jeff, a Democrat, who I believe in 2014 was inviting him to a Barack Obama luncheon and fundraiser.
>> Surely you're against that. THAT WAS AFTER THE CONVICTION, RIGHT? SO THAT SHOWS TO YOU SOMETHING.
>> Let's do this. Let's do this. Let's actually like instead of saying like, "Oh, well, there's pictures." But we can also say there's pictures and then Trump's name is in the files. So does that.
>> Is Obama's name in the file?
>> Uh, I'm sure that Obama's name is in the file at some point. What are the files? Define what the files are.
>> No, no, define what the files are and not at some point is define what the files are in the file. Are there images? Are there pictures with Epstein in a long history post 2009?
>> Define what the files are.
>> And then is.
>> Define what the files are.
>> The Epstein files.
>> Okay. What is that? What are the files? What are they made of?
>> In the Epstein files.
>> What are they made up of? The Epstein files?
>> A lot of different stuff. A lot of different.
>> Do you think everything in the Epstein files speaks to someone's guilt or something?
>> I think that the fact that Trump has mentioned the Epstein files multiple different times, multiple different videos.
>> Tell me the ways that. Tell me the ways he's mentioned.
>> Uh, there's emails, videos.
>> Go ahead, give me an email.
>> Give me an email.
>> Uh, he was in the Bubba email, right?
>> Give me the email.
>> Go ahead. Tell me what it said.
>> Yeah, he's mentioned by Epstein in an email multiple.
>> Okay, tell me what it said. Cool.
>> I have to bring it up for you. Or do you.
>> Well, do you. Does this ring a bell? The dog that's not barking is Trump. He was with redacted.
>> In the room together. Does that ring a bell? Is one of the emails?
>> Sure.
>> Okay. That redacted woman was Virginia Giuffre. Democrats intentionally redacted that because they knew that it made Trump look bad. But in reality, Virginia Giuffre came out in her own words and said Trump never did anything with her wrong. That she actually.
>> Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure that [laughter] like she was.
>> Don't believe all women now. DON'T BELIEVE HER. RIGHT. THAT VICTIM.
>> WHEN DID I ever say I believe all women, first of all?
>> WELL, I KNOW YOU DON'T. YOU won't believe the ones that accuse Democrats. You'll still support them.
>> No, I'm sure there's Democrats in the files like Bill Clinton. Okay. Like I'm sure there's Democrats in the files like Bill Clinton. I don't care if there's Democrats or Republicans in the files. That's not the point. Okay. Because you didn't say [ __ ] when DEMOCRATS ARE ACCUSED.
>> I don't care if Democrats are IN THE FILE.
>> THAT'S THE POINT. YOU DON'T CARE. THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT. YOU'VE CONSIDERED MY ARGUMENT. YES, I know you don't care. That's exactly the point.
>> Do you care?
>> I care if there's proof that people assaulted children. AND I CARE TO THE FACT THAT THERE'S PROOF.
>> There is proof.
>> Okay. Show me the proof that Trump assaulted a child.
>> Okay. Do you want the uh what's her name? The um the case where she assaulted Katie Johnson case?
>> Uh, is this the woman who retracted prior to the 2016?
>> Yeah, because [laughter] she was because she was Yeah, that one. The one where they said that uh Katie Johnson said that she was being threatened.
>> So, just to be clear for the audience, here's what happened. Here's a woman that never came out with an allegation. Then she worked with Trump-hating attorney Lisa Bloom, right? Who came out.
>> Trump-hating attorney.
>> Let me finish. She comes OUT BEFORE THE ELECTION ONCE TRUMP says he's running, uh, makes this court case and then recants, drops the case, and THEN OF COURSE, OH, THAT MUST BE TRUE THOUGH. SHE MUST HAVE BEEN THREATENED. THAT'S NOW WHAT DID SHE USE TO CONFIRM HER STORY? Did she have physical evidence? What did she use?
>> Uh, she had another witness as well who gave evidence. I'm looking for the. Yeah, there were multiple people mentioned also. They. It was mentioned as a Jane Doe, but there were other people who are mentioned along with her.
>> So, here's one. Oh, child lawsuit. Katie Johnson versus Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein.
>> That she withdrew. Mhm.
>> Okay. She withdrew because she was threatened. And we all know [clears throat].
>> Prove that she was threatened.
>> She said she was.
>> Oh, SO WE'RE SO SHE MAKES AN ACCUSATION. SHE'S NEVER ABLE TO PROVE IT. THEN SHE WITHDRAWS THE ACCUSATION AND she claims I'm doing this because I was threatened. You're like, that's proof Trump did this.
>> I'm just see. No, but I'm just wondering why you need a level of proof of what? Like one photo of Obama, one photo of Clinton, but when you have all this evidence that Trump is involved in illicit and very illicit things.
>> Like what?
>> And you have no like you have ab do you have zero.
>> You have here's the strategy confidence you have.
>> I have the how much confidence do I have in what.
>> How much confidence do you have that Trump has never in his life somebody.
>> The same I have as you.
>> So 100%.
>> No, I don't have 100% that you haven't assaulted someone like that.
>> No, I said confidence in Donald Trump.
>> I have the same confidence that he did not do this as I would have with you.
>> No, no, no. I said.
>> I HAVE THE SAME CONFIDENCE HE DID DO IT AS I have with you.
>> So you don't think that Donald Trump has ever or sexually assaulted a woman? I listen, some I think someone. Wait, wait, wait, wait, WAIT. I'M ON KICK. I think someone on kick just accused you.
>> And now saying you threatened him.
>> You threatened him.
>> Whoa.
>> I guess.
>> He said he won't go PUBLIC BECAUSE YOU THREATENED HIM.
>> REALLY?
>> I MEAN, THAT'S [ __ ] UP. THAT'S HOW DO YOU DEFEND YOURSELF from this?
>> Um, I'm going to defend myself by continuing to talk about what WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, NOT [screaming] THE TOPIC.
>> IT'S NOT SO GOOD TO have.
>> We're going to go ahead and go back to the topic. Do you think that Trump, that you're threatening, that Trump has ever in his entire life.
>> No, I don't.
>> Sexually assaulted somebody. I don't.
>> So, E. Jean Carroll was not sexually assaulted by.
>> That is correct. I believe she lied and made it up. Yes.
>> You think that she lied even though he was found civilly liable?
>> Yes. I believe that jurors. I believe that jurors in the Southern District of New York would convict Trump of anything and let people off the hook that go against Trump for anything. And I believe that your mentality here, for example, if you people like you are the people that are on those juries.
>> So, you don't think people like.
>> Now I answered your question. Do you think that Joe Biden assaulted Tara Reed?
>> Uh, I could have if there was evidence of it. Sure.
>> What do you mean if there was evidence? This was a prominent accusation before he ran for office IN 2020. YOU'RE CLEARLY a woman who takes these accusations very seriously. So, what do you mean? Why are you so incurious?
>> Was a man you supported?
>> Was there evidence? Was there a court case filed?
>> She was evidence presented?
>> Yes, she presented evidence. In fact, one of the crucial pieces she had of evidence was let.
>> Let me finish. One of the crucial pieces of evidence we have is at the time where she was said that this incident occurred, her mother called into C-SPAN and said that a very prominent senator had assaulted her daughter. That's in real time, contemporaneous. That's more proof than anything we have on Trump.
>> A senator?
>> YES. JOE BIDEN WAS A SENATOR AT THE TIME. NO, you said a senator, not Joe Biden. A senator.
>> What we have is her mother called in to C-SPAN. So she MAKES THE ACCUSATION AND AS PART OF THE LIKE, let me say this, right? Let's say that I'm you're assaulted, right? Or let's not use a woman's assaulted, right?
>> Do you think that there, if she tells her friends at the time, that that's a better credible story than if she waits 20 years and then says something?
>> Why wouldn't she say Joe Biden? Because to accuse someone like that and what she was talking about, her daughter was afraid of payback and [ __ ] like that.
>> OH. OH, OKAY. She was she was afraid.
>> So, good enough for you, but not.
>> That they would be threatened if they if they went if they came forward.
>> Maybe her daughter said don't say his name. She didn't come forward. Tell me about the victim-shaming again here. Go ahead.
>> Okay.
>> Because she didn't come out in real. Just to be clear, your argument is.
>> That's not what's happening. We're not victim-shaming. That's not what's happening. So, just to be clear, if this happened and Tara Reed told her mother and her mother reached out to people in real time, said, "I think my daughter's been assaulted by a prominent senator." You're like, "Oh, WELL, SHE DIDN'T SAY JOE BIDEN SO IN REAL TIME, SO IT DIDN'T HAPPEN." AND YET the women that waited 20 plus years to accuse Trump when he was running for office, you believe all them.
>> That didn't happen 20 plus years.
>> What? The E. Jean Carroll thing. WHEN DID THAT? THEY LITERALLY had to change the law to extend the statute of limitations. The E. Jean Carroll thing did happen, but the Katie Johnson thing was not 20 years later or the lawsuit was filed before that.
>> The lawsuit was filed in 2016. When was the accusation that these actions occurred?
>> So, you're already wrong about E. Jean Carroll. It was like 20 years later.
>> No, I didn't say I was wrong about. I said I didn't say that that happened. That did not happen 20 years. It did happen 20 years later. I'm not saying that.
>> Okay. What year did Katie Johnson.
>> Katie Johnson thing was first filed? I think.
>> Pretty.
>> 2016.
>> It was that was the second case because it was first just against Jeffrey Epstein and then there was a second case.
>> Yeah, I'm not interrupt. When did she accuse Trump?
>> She accused Trump in 2016, I do believe. Um, that's when the that's when the case was.
>> When did the abuse allegedly occur?
>> Um, let's see. Let me look at the.
>> '94.
>> Yeah. 1994.
>> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> That's what 22 years.
>> Okay.
>> OKAY. YOU SAID NO WHEN I SAID 20-YEAR-OLD ACCUSATIONS. YOU SAID NO.
>> AND NOW YOU BROUGHT up two accusations that were both 20 years.
>> Oh, well then I'm wrong. Oh, well.
>> Seems to be a theme here tonight.