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When compared to other platforms in terms of social information security, how does NEK perform, and does being open source make NEK social more secure? >> Aykut abi, please answer. >> Who will answer? Yes. Aykut, uhh >> I mean Aykut hocam. >> So you are the teacher. >> He is already not just a teacher, but a doctor. >> Aykut hocam, like this >> addressing you >> uhh, well, as far as I know, the person who founded Mastodon previously worked at Twitter, and as a reaction to Twitter, he left there and created an open-source system. He wants the algorithms to be known. The biggest problem with these kinds of systems is that it's unknown what is shown and how, it's in a closed box. And here you can create echo chambers. You can send people towards extreme ideas. The reason we prefer something open-source is by publishing its source code, saying "look, this is how it works, is everyone treated fairly? You see it too." >> Exactly. Because, for example, this also happens. Imagine you posted a tweet that got a lot of attention. That elevates you to the very top. This is also debatable, like, now, I wonder how you would give a bit more voice to those who are quieter. These are all subjects of social science. >> So, Ms. Fulya is naturally very popular. She immediately gets to the very top. When I post something, I even decided not to post today, so it wouldn't be at the very top. Uh, so our voices start to be suppressed by everything. >> Uh-huh. >> Uh, these things, of course, over time, by discussing them with society, with the owners of this place, even though our principle, our wish, is for it to be like this, the funny thing is that they complain about us to them, saying that Mastodon doesn't publish its sources. We were preparing our sources to publish them, and they were published today. Those who complained can go and look. Could you tell us about the security aspect? On one hand, external attacks from foreign countries, on the other hand, internal issues. Yes. >> Regarding security, Mert, my evaluation will be in this direction. We are building our platform on Mastodon's foundation anyway. Since it uses Mastodon's infrastructure, security researchers actively scan it due to the open-source ecosystem. When a security vulnerability is found in Mastodon, we can see the latest developments there and apply them to our platform. And because it's open-source, people can easily see what's in our code. This way, for example, if something is noticed, does it become easier to report it to us? >> We also have friends in our own Next volunteer team who are cybersecurity researchers. Every day, actively. I personally found a security vulnerability. I am preparing to report it. >> Of course, you found a vulnerability in the original. Was it related to login? >> It was related to a part of the source codes, on the server side. >> When you say security vulnerability, it doesn't take your identity information anyway, right? It only takes your mobile phone and email. >> Also, abi, extra >> and your username. >> We keep those on separate servers. Separate servers, meaning it doesn't take any of your personal information right now. And the things you share are already public. >> Such a perception has formed. >> Yeah. Now, they do that deliberately to manipulate it, or >> or, like, they take our identity information. This application >> nobody gives identity information. >> For example, why are these kinds of things >> No, other platforms take much more, by the way, especially identity, TC identity, etc., they didn't ask for it. >> By the way, there's also a question about why there's no DM box. >> They are doing it, aren't they? The DM box. >> Incredible features are coming. Incredible. This project has been in development for a year and a half. The DM box. Uh, currently >> it's not like that, but when you select the private option while sending a message, it only goes to that person. >> But it will come, right? >> Its interface will come, but even now, you can send a private message to someone, you just need to select it. Maybe the user experience isn't super great right now, but that option is currently available. Mr. Selçuk, I want to ask you this. Is this a challenge to the existing social media order? Are you offering an alternative? What is it? >> It is actually a rebellion against the existing social media platforms. Because, as I expressed earlier, when you object from within, it doesn't work. You are defeated in some way because the system sets the rules, and the ground belongs to it. You have no chance without rebuilding the world. Otherwise, whoever has the stick will continue their genocide as they wish, they will set the rules, and spread it to humanity as they wish, and no matter how right you are, you won't be able to reach people, you won't be able to reach humanity. It is exactly that, and I believe all of humanity needs this, not just our nationality or civilization. By the way, we are also working closely with all European countries. We are working with 37 countries. They all have incredible complaints. I mean, even where social media originated, there are big complaints. Even in America, there are big complaints. They remove heads of state, for example. Now, by what right do you do this? Who are you? How >> like freedom of expression >> I mean, there was freedom of expression. According to what? How do they moderate? Is it done with money? Are you very rich? Then you remove it, right? How so? Where is the right of the other person? Therefore, I consider this very important. This effort. If you remember, regarding our national security, think about our aircraft. We were getting this technology from abroad. We couldn't get it anymore. Yes. >> They never gave us the aircraft version anyway, and Turkey struggled with terrorism for 40 years. Only when we cut our own Gordian knot did a process begin. Like, oh, the engine isn't domestic, this part is missing, the camera is from abroad. Those who were kicking and struggling inside, those who were trying to put obstacles, we experienced everything. Those who attacked with political rhetoric, those who continued this systematically. Then they applauded and said, oh, we actually supported it. Now, Baykar is the world's largest unmanned aerial vehicle company. A company that earns 90% of all its revenue from exports. This was a story started by very young children with a tiny drone, a tiny aircraft thrown by hand. It was a story, including my late father, my mother also works with us. Now Baykar is the largest company in the world for unmanned aerial vehicles. It earns 90% of all its revenue from exports. It has not received a single penny in grants, support, or loans in cash to date. And with all this revenue, it is working on space. We have new projects that we will also open to the public. It is practically the sole funder of the Turkish Technology Team. It does not accept donations from anyone. So that all these generations can grow up. Baykar is, in a sense, the largest funder of Teknofest, and it does this with the revenue earned by exporting high-quality technology. We will invest nearly $1 billion in space. We are developing our own jet engine. The Bayraktar TB3 Kızılelma is already the world's first aircraft to land and take off from short-runway aircraft carriers. This is also such a story. >> But in another sense, this was a bit more related to national security. This is about the survival of society in a sense, the survival of society in a sense. >> Actually, it's national security. >> Exactly. Because what did this social media, Twitter, do? It pitted society against each other. >> Incredibly, yes. >> Practically. I mean, imagine, for example, I also experience this. Imagine they write the most vulgar curses to my mother. >> Writes. >> Uh >> okay? So, violence, every kind of thing is there. You report this. They say it's compliant with our rules. Meaning >> meaning it has everything. Now, I don't want to describe it. Yes. >> I report it. Imagine, they say, "According to what are these compliant with our rules?" Like, you were against violence. There's a threat here. >> Uh-huh. There are curses. Why is it like that? >> Uh-huh. >> Our society does not accept this. >> Ah, when it's done to someone else, you remove it, I see. Where will I defend my rights? >> Well, what about society then? He did that to me. >> Someone allowed this. Okay, then everyone should cut each other, right? This is what it was built for. >> This mechanism is exactly this >> a kind of operational. >> Of course, look at its past. Look at its history. It's a platform established by intelligence service vehicles to conduct psychological warfare. >> Is that right? >> Of course. >> More or less, its entire history is like that. Of course, this is a national security problem as well. >> I'm curious about >> and from the perspective of digital hegemony, it's also a very useful tool for manipulating society, imposing ideas, imposing propaganda. A very useful tool of imperialism, in a sense. >> And you pay money for that application, just to write longer text. You pay money, and on top of that, you get cursed at. >> You get cursed at. >> There's that side too. For example, if you talk about Grok >> it sucks it up like a vacuum cleaner. The money it takes from Turkey, this social media order >> Uh-huh. >> >> a few billion dollars. Look, in terms of hazelnut production in the world >> and we are first. The money we pay to social media giants is not even as much as our fig production exports. They are also draining billions of dollars from Turkey. >> Uh-huh. >> So, Mr. Selçuk is explaining that he is not doing this for profit. This is a national security issue. Correct. >> There are dozens of lawsuits filed worldwide. These social media companies are currently facing very heavy lawsuits in every country. You saw what Australia did. They shut down YouTube for those under 16, finished it, and left. People are trying to save their generations. >> Of course, the infrastructure and technology for this platform are currently developed by 2N Media Technology. T3, in a sense, manages the society, the moderation. So there are two institutions involved. >> H >> But of course, the really big job is that, in community management. >> And in my opinion, the best thing is for its owners to determine, for example, you are the owners >> how we will communicate here. >> In my opinion, the best way is to have a communication style as if we are looking face to face. Because if we look face to face >> at least if I offend you, I have a chance to empathize. Now, behind masks, behind dark masks, everyone says everything to everyone. >> Accounts won't be able to log in, right? They won't be able to log in. In our civilization and in our ancient culture >> politeness >> and seeing humans as the noblest of creatures, as the most honorable of beings, there is this understanding. Therefore, no matter what, we are all servants of the Creator. >> Within a framework of respect for each other. I think it should be like looking face to face on social media. For example, my friends and I discussed this a lot. Some said, "Should there be curses here?" Now they said, "This is also part of life." >> In my opinion, there shouldn't be. >> There shouldn't be. >> But again, as I said, society should decide. Whatever is the most decent, whatever is the most beautiful, that should be it. And everything should be like looking face to face. Now, if one of you curses at another, it's impossible for you to look them in the face again. >> I mean, no matter who it is, you can have opposing views. And for that purpose, we have invited all segments of society here. For example, when inviting politics, we opened our call to all segments. We said, "Come on, come. This is not the monopoly of a political platform." And let those who own this place be its users. Let it belong to our society. That's why we said, "Turkey's social media." In fact, I found these criticisms very strange. You say "domestic social media," why is the name "Next"? But now, it's not just us. We have our friendly and kindred geographies. Our other friends also say that for all these platforms to have meaning, and it's a very beautiful name. It means "the next," it has a new vibe. Of course, I am open to that side too. >> I want to say something. Many, many questions are coming. Elon Musk bought Twitter. >> Yes. >> What happens if he comes tomorrow and wants to buy Next Social? Strange questions. >> Good. Good questions. Of course, first of all, he wouldn't want to buy something like that because this is not a place that makes money. That's the first thing. >> And it won't be? >> That's the first thing. >> I mean, this will hopefully become a super app in the future. What does that mean? It means an application for everything. >> Uh, that's the effort. With all these countries, for example, you can do e-commerce. Along with that, I'm talking about kindred geographies. Maybe I'm talking about 2 billion people. From the Balkans to the Turkic Republics, from Africa to the Middle East, with its own navigation system, a navigation application. Along with that, functions for doing e-commerce. Social media, in a sense, of course, has its good aspects. It allowed you to easily connect with people from all over the world. Let it be a platform that gains all these features, that can sustain itself. Let it develop all of Turkey, all of these friendly and kindred geographies. Let billions of dollars that would go abroad from these countries stay in these countries. We certainly want that. >> Ah, this might take many years. It will take many, many years. But we didn't just design this place to make money. Actually, starting from a great need, in a sense, from our freedom being taken away, from our liberty being taken away, we had been thinking about something like this with my friends for at least a few years. >> I feel like we've been broadcasting for 15 minutes, but we've exceeded 51 minutes. >> I need to go to a commercial break. There are incredible questions. We won't just talk about Next Social, dear viewers. We will talk about Kızılelma, UAVs, the defense industry, how to work at Baykar, if you are asking. Some comments say, "You were an inspiration, Mert brother." Please don't leave your screens. A very short break. By the way, don't forget to join Next Social. It's an application that entirely belongs to us. How beautiful. Come on, let's support it. It's increasing every minute. Everyone is there. You be Next too.