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Really quick, going back to you. So, you gave yourself a rating of 10. Um, so do you consider yourself the most attractive girl at the table?
Um, I mean, in I'm like myself. I don't. Everybody's beautiful in their own unique way. I'm not going to. Women get scared to say that. Women get scared to say that. Well, that's messed up to say myself. And I. You're the only girl who said you were a 10. So, are you if but but you you have you gave yourself the highest rating at the table. Do you think you're the most beautiful girl at the table?
No, I think they're all beautiful in different ways than me. Like I have black hair. Like you got the beautiful red hair. You got that. There's Everybody just looks very different. Oh, everybody just looks very. They're They're on your level then. I think they're all. I think they rated themselves very low compared to what they should be. None of them are more attractive than you, though.
No, I think that they're more attractive in different ways. More attractive in different ways. Yeah. Like like we got a blonde, we got like we got everybody different, you know. Yeah, but being blonde in and of itself is typically not going to be sufficient. No. Well, they they all look good. It's just that we all are different people and beauty is subjective. So, me saying I I get like lots of hate. I get told I look ugly all the time, but I'm so used to it. I've been doing social media since I was 14. Okay. Like I'm very used to it and I understand.
Wait, you get told you're ugly all the time? Yes. And I get called fat. I get called ugly. And I mean, I'm not mad. I don't listen to it. I don't really care if people want to hate on the way. I mean, it seems like you're actually receiving, uh, albeit insulting feedback on your looks. Um, so the 10 rating, let me ask you a question. If you were to be rated by, say, a group of a thousand men, what do you think the average rating would be for you?
So, I think that I have some features that are considered conventionally attractive and some features that are not. Like, I'm more hourglass, but then obviously some men prefer like thinner women. Some men don't like. I have a big nose. I have a very big Polish nose. And like some people don't like that. Like that's that's something I get hate on a lot. And I mean, I'm not going to. I just. It's all subjective. I think probably they would say yes. But I I'm not going to lie. Like I do feel like I get hit on a lot. I feel like I would get rated okay. Like I think I'm more attractive than. Are we arriving at an answer soon or like a eight maybe? Okay. But I think that many. Why do you think there's a difference between what you think? So you think you're a 10. But yes, the average of what a thousand men would rate you as an eight. Why do you think there's a difference there?
Um, because not everybody likes the same thing, right? But this would be the average. So, in this cohort of a thousand men, there could be some men that that you attend. And some people are like, "Oh, I only date blondes, so you're a two." Like, everybody likes different things, you know? Does that really exist? Yes. I only. Well, hold on. But so, do you. Let me ask you a question. A guy who only dates blondes. Mhm. Do you think he would prefer to date a woman who's facially beautiful but is a brunette versus an ugly blonde woman? Which do you think he would rather choose or date? The um attractive one. The bl brunette one. Mhm. Well, then it's. I mean, based on this, it's clear to me that being blonde is not enough to shift the needle. Mhm. Yes. But I'm saying like I mean, it's not real. Like, it's not like we're all ranked. There's no like objective number that all of us are. It's all subjective. I listen. I like really ugly men. Like I love an ugly man with a big messed up nose. I love big no. A big messed up nose. And all my friends are like, "Ew, why are you dating that ugly man?" I'm like, "Well, he's a 10 to me." Like, it's all. There's no objective. Well, hold on. But you said he's ugly. Yes. But but like I like ugly men. How are you able to come to the determination he's ugly because people want to call him ugly. People like all of the boys I've dated ever, people are like, "Oh, why would you date him?" But you get a lot of negative comments as well telling you you're ugly, so why aren't you ugly? Then I'm ugly to some people. But you call an other man ugly because other people telling he's ugly and you say a lot of people calling me ugly. So why aren't you then like a five or six instead of a 10? Why are women delusional? What what is attract what what is it uh what are ugly qualities to you as compared to attractive qualities? Like when you date an ugly man, what is ugly about him that's like undesirable but you get over that? It's not undesirable. It's just that I when I think of the word ugly, I think of because it's all subjective. For example, I have a big uh hump nose. Some people don't like that, but I figure that makes a man attend to me. I like a big nose. And so like it's all just like I'm not going to lie, beauty is subjective. And a lot of the ideas of where we get beauty. Like the ideas of beauty are like at least we're in America, it's like American standards. You know what I mean? Yeah, like the blue eyes, the blonde hair, the. But standards are made because a lot of group of people find the same thing attractive, right? Standards are being made because a lot of people find the same person attractive, the same features, right? In different country, you're right. In different country, the beauty standard can be so drastically different. You can rate someone a one and in China it would be a 10. Seriously. So there's no European. Wait, hold on. You're saying like a woman who's a 10 in China is going to be a one in the US. I mean, that could happen. Yes. Even though. Wait, the reverse can happen. But hold on. So you you aren't aware of the phenomenon that white men and western countries tend to lean towards being white. White men actually tend to assess uh Asian women as very attractive. They do. Well, that's true. But what I'm saying is that there exist like the beauty standards are different. A lot of women are really popular here in America. You guys treat as actresses in in our country. When we were growing up, we're like what? We would never like even pick her out of the street. That's our perception. So when I come to US, I realize, oh my god, like the big ass is in like in China, if you have big ass, you get lipo like you like a thick, the skinnier, it's like this little like chopsticks. So it's like so different. Drastically different. And it changes by decades too. It's so different. Yeah. If you look at the portrait of the M dynasty, like women are beautiful, like very curvy and they have like no chin because it was like very wealthy looking, you know? That's beauty. And it's different because they were natural back then. Now we go to the plastic surgeon because we are standards are different now. It changes so much. Everything changes like that. And like I mean, I think it's kind of um a little bit disrespectful to call me delusional because I'm addressing the fact that most men not everybody thinks I'm a 10 because listen, I think I'm a 10 and you asked me what I thought. You didn't ask me what everybody else thinks. And so you're not going to change my opinion of myself by being disrespectful to me. And well, I don't think it's disrespectful if you're actually delusional. You literally is attend to a lot of Chinese men. Why? Because first of all, your nose is really tall. You know, in China, people would put so much stuff to make their nose tall. And the reason I realized that is when I was younger, I watch a TV show. This actress has really tall nose. And then like and then I was just think Yeah, sorry, I'm interrupting. I just think you're 10. And I think 10 a person who has no room for improvement. No, I do have room for improvement, but I but regardless, I still love myself at all times. That's great. I think. Wait, did you say you were going to be better looking in 10 years time? Yeah, but I mean, I just 20 years time. Um, I mean, or I forgot your answer. Just. You didn't ask me the 20 years. I mean, maybe probably I would look older, but like I think I'll probably look good for like a old old. So, will you be better looking? No, probably not. No, 38 as comp or sorry, you're 21, excuse me. Will you be better looking at 31 as compared to now at 21? Um, I think yes, because I pro I like for I'm starting my career out. I'm making more money. I'm able to get more cosmetic procedures in the next month. I get like my whole body done um for the most part. Not a BBL. But well, one thing though, so if you're going to be better looking in 10 years time, how can you be po How can you possibly be a 10 now if you'll be better looking? Because 10 is the top you can go. You can't be better looking than a 10. I I love myself right now and I would be completely fine like if I just stayed like this the rest of my life. I'm a very confident person. Um, but it's like I can still. I'm always and also society is always changing. So, like for example, like you look at the beauty trends of what women look like however many years ago, the little thin eyebrows, all that stuff. It's like it's constantly changing. Like you might like like the clothing and all the everything changes and in 10 years it could be completely different and I think I'll look good for that time. Well, I have another question then. Uh you said you're going to be getting how how many plastic surgery procedures are you getting? I'm getting lipo in my arms and I'm getting 360 lipo which is your waist and I already have a very small waist. Why? Because I want to. I feel like you know like when you play video games and you have like the character and the skin you save up you get the skin you like upgrade. I'm like oh like this will be like I don't know. Also you have to think I'd probably make more money. Like I mean maybe not. So so you're getting lipo you're getting lipo in the arms lipo in the belly and I'm getting a small implant to put into kind of yes hold on. Well, in addition to my other question again, how can you possibly be a 10 now if you need to get these cosmetic surgeries? No one said I needed them. It's just. Well, you're getting them regardless. Well, I am in the adult industry and I probably would make more money if I was like a lot of that's a kind of a big thing and I'm. So, what will you be? So, okay. So, but these procedures are going to improve your looks. Yes. So, then what number will you be after the procedures? I will always consider myself a 10. I always. I do what I want with the way I look. But how can if it's increasing your physical attractiveness? Bro, you getting none down these specifics. You want me to say I'm like a nine. I don't care what you say. I really don't care what you think about how I look. That's fine. I think the question isn't about your self-perception. It's more about like the free market doesn't think you're a 10 is what he's saying. And I think that's wrong. I think you're not delusional. I think he's wrong because he's not thinking about other market. There's American market. There's Chinese market. She lives in United States. She's the public figure. Only fan is everywhere, right? Traffic clear. You think she's a 10 in Korea? She can be a 10 to some moment. Yeah, but you're beautiful. You're Yes. I'm fat in Korea. I'm fat in a lot of Asian. Why are we just like debating her looks? Yeah. It's kind of like why like you really like you can like listen. You can think I'm not a 10. I don't care. Listen, I'm I don't care and I really don't care what you think about. But I think it's so crazy to get one a podcast and debate how a woman looks. I don't. Well, I'll tell you why it's important. And let me also just. Why have we spent 20 minute like 15 minutes talking about? I think Oh, girls. I think you're feuding the wrong way to be. No, no, no, no. Not the wrong way. You're saying or her answer or anything. Don't like come after me. Jesus Christ. You're saying why are you viewing the point of view? LA, etc., etc. Are you all right? Well, it's kind of like stressful. You're putting me on a podcast to debate how I look and I've already said I don't care. We we talked about like a topic. A little bit stressed and I'm not going to lie, you're telling me to stop talking. Can I give her some tissue paper, please? Yeah, go get it then. I'm. But it's a little bit overwhelming having a full table of people. You do social media and I do social media. I'm on live every day doing all my social media, but it's overwhelming. It is overwhelming and you're kind of being a [ __ ] because what did I do? Well, I thought you didn't care. I mean, how I don't care, but it's overwhelming. That's badgering. It's not badgering. You just want to keep talking about it over and over again for god knows how long. How much longer are you going to go on about? I don't give a [ __ ]. Call me an eight. I don't give a [ __ ]. I don't care what the [ __ ] you want to call me. I already said that I think I'm a 10 and this discussion is really pointless. Well, it does have a point. So, um. Okay. Well, I guess I'm ugly that I don't think what he was trying to say. Well, how about you let me make. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead. Go ahead. I've been interrupted. I've been interrupted like three times in a row. I'm trying to make my point, but go ahead. Go ahead. I'm going to let you speak yourself. Why don't speak? I just think that he was trying to say if you think you're a 10 now that if you're getting work done, then isn't there room for improvement? He's not saying that you're not beautiful. You are beautiful. No, I already. I I get the point he's trying to make. But it's like but it's like I don't know. Like Kylie Jenner, all these beautiful women, they can they can they you can say they're a ton and they can still go get stuff done. Kylie regrets it though. I don't think they're beautiful. I don't guess what it's so subjective. Exactly. Can we let him make his point? Okay. So, uh you you take issue with me using the word delusional. So, let me just provide a definition. Characterized by or holding false beliefs or judgments about external reality that are held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. So, or having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions. So I think the reality is there's a lot of women who come on the show. By the way, we ask this question every single show. I'm very aware and you always do this. No, don't always do it. I mean, if a girl gives herself a seven or even if she gives herself a seven, but she's not a seven, I don't really push it. But to say you're a 10 is to say that you are on par with the most beautiful women in the world. And I'm not sure I'm prepared to like I'm sure I'm not really prepared to accept that. Some men will think she's more beautiful than the most beautiful person. Like I said, I like ugly men. I would I don't care what some men think. Who Who's some of the most attractive men you would ever see? I would turn them down immediately over like some like mid white boy. Like that's just how it is. And it's subjective. Well, it's not subjective because you've just made a characteriza uh categorization. So, you said there's beautiful men and there's mid men. Why are you able to make a an objective determination about someone's physical appearance, but you can't do that to yourself? Um, she didn't make a objective judgment. It was subjective, right? You think someone is ugly, it's subjective. She said there's beautiful men and there's mid men. That's a categorization. Yeah, she categorized it. In her mind, she think he's ugly. And someone thinks she's beautiful is in his mind. It's a by standard. She's saying she likes to date those men who she's made a judgment and a determination on that they are less physically attractive by some sort of objective that's not conventionally attractive right you might be attracted to men but for other reasons like maybe he's got a good personality broke men I'm not any for like like literally like I'm so not it's just it is bad at the personality and I don't care like just cuz I say they're ugly doesn't like maybe conventionally speaking They're they're considered ugly, but not to me. Okay. So, and I literally It's so like dude like you're literally on a podcast debating a 21. How old are you? 21. I'm 21. You're debating debating. How is that relevant? Because it's you're a grown ass man. What? And you asked to be on the show. Yeah. It is a show about dating relationships and how women and men perceive each other and themselves. How long have we been talking about this? Very long time. The podcast is six hours or whatever. We're just filling time here having a discussion. Okay. Well, I'm over it. I'm done. I think it's just a matter of opinion. It is a matter of opinion. That's what I've said the whole time. And you're going to say, I don't think you should let it get to. No, no, no. You're literally pretty for a living. That's the point. Well, yeah, but that but you might not be a 10 for a living, but you're doing great. You shouldn't be emotional. You're doing all right. No, I'm not upset. It's I'm upset because listen, I'm an emotional person, and it's just you're a little bit overwhelming. I think beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Obviously, I think if you are making categories about men, what you are saying, you are right. You have to be honest to yourself as a woman. And what category do I fail in? Bro, it's crazy to me because like women are super picky and you guys literally have laundry lists of like what a guy has to meet physically, personalitywise. You you guys have lists of what a guy has to bring to the table. But when guys start talking about like, "Okay, here's what we want." And whenever it gets into the realm of physical appearance, which by the way, women care way [ __ ] more than men about this [ __ ]. I guarantee you, you go on a [ __ ] dating app, y'all are swiping no on 90% of the dudes without reading their [ __ ] profile, instantly. You look at the first photo, mid mid, don't like it. True. Y'all are way pickier. Y'all are way pickier about looks than men. So, I'm not going to take this like, oh, this is like misogyny men or like, oh, why do they care so much about looks? Y'all care way [ __ ] more about. It's okay that you care about looks. Y care way [ __ ] more about. I definitely agree with that. And so, I'll tell you exactly why it matters and why I push back on what I view as women having an overinflated sense of their own physical attractiveness. So, let me let me start by asking a question. Do you think that there are men out there who think that they're more attractive than they actually are? Yes. Do you think there are men who think they're hot [ __ ] Yes. But they're not. 90%. So that's you. W. But but so you I'm sure you object to men who think they're who super [ __ ] cocky and who think they're hot [ __ ] and think they can, you know, get all these girls, but they don't, right? Yeah. But somebody thinks you're that much and more. So Yes. Exactly. You know who they are. I'm not saying there. Look, there's going to be guys that are attracted to you. That's not what I'm trying to argue here. But like, if you can say that there are men out there who think that they're hot [ __ ] but they ain't nothing. But guess what? I'm not mad about them saying that. You like, but you might say they're delusional. Um, I mean, maybe, but I mean, I don't know if they. It depends because a lot of the a lot of them like maybe I don't like them, but like there are other women that do. There's a reason they're like that. Actually, I would say that. So, like listen, I'm in college. Do you know how many boys that like I have to deal with that? Actually, I got to push back on this specific thing, too. So, I would actually argue that in terms of what men will find attractive, men have uh in terms of what they deem physically attractive, men have a much wider uh margin of like women they'll find attractive. Like I would say most men find most women attractive. Most women definitely don't find most men attractive. And this is why you have average women who think they deserve the [ __ ] world. They're mid chicks who deserve like a top tier dude. You don't. Average women deserve average men. Average men deserve average.