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Basically, I used to watch the Daily Wire all the time. I used to like love their stuff. And then I started doing real world interviews and I just thought they were either ignorant or lying. And I I didn't know, not Brett. Brett's like 20some, right? But the older guys when it came to marriage and family, I just thought they cannot be this ignorant on the family court system. If they're over the age of say 35, there's no way you've made it to this old and don't see what's going on. But over and over again, I just kept.
So I I felt I felt like I was correcting them and just saying, "Hey guys, marriage is not a great deal for men." And it would be weird because they would just respond with this like morality argument. So me saying that was in some way immoral. And I wanted to bring up some of the Daily Wire reactions to me. It was so funny. It's like I watched them in high school and then and then I end up being reacted to by all of these guys. I'm like, how did I end up here? And I have a better understanding now of a lot of these concepts. So I wanted to I'm actually glad I can react to this.
It's interesting how the meaning of red pill has evolved over the last 5 years to to essentially mean anti I would say anti-woman. They would say pro man, but I think it's far beyond pro man. I think it's decidedly anti-woman in many ways. And you see people who I think some of them are are bad actors who are pedalling, but then you also see people like like Pearly Things who I don't know Pearl. I don't know if she's a bad actor or not. But I kind of get the sense that maybe she's just a naive uh person being kind of dragged along out of half desire to be famous and half probably hasn't read a book and and half of that I can >> I interviewed a thousand people. I want you guys to go do that. That that's that's what I thought. I was like you got to let me go see you interview a thousand people. And anyway, sorry I need I need to not get triggered. >> Relate to the other half you can also relate. But I do think it's this interesting question that that uh is harder to talk about and what is the role of men and women? What is the role of marriage in a society that has essentially turned its back on the concept of marriage that is legally encoded anti- anti-man policies definition of marriage?
>> Abolish the definition. >> It's not anti-men. They they've abolished difference. They've abolished the difference between men. >> The distinction itself. You know, I just went on the Whatever podcast for my I I think it's now my like 28th.
>> And so this is where you get the cognitive dissonance. So he goes on whatever. Okay. And on whatever they put attractive women on that podcast he goes on all the time. You see what the market is offering. This isn't this isn't great for the guys. And you see the decisions that women as a collective are making and it's not really indicating that they want to be wives and mothers. And yet we're still saying that the red pill is scaring men into not getting married. It's not. And I'm telling you guys, most men under the age of 35 in the right circumstances would get married. I would say from my from my interviews, most guys that are young would still give it a good go. They'll say, "You know what? If I find the right girl, she's hot enough, good-looking enough, and I'll still give it a good go." It's women that do not want to get married and have children. I found more men that wanted to be fathers than women that wanted to be mothers. And I didn't come to this conclusion. Remember, I had a very similar worldview to them to start. But it was like you I couldn't ignore what was in front of me. I couldn't interview woman after woman after woman that didn't know how to cook, didn't want to serve a man, didn't want to obey her husband, and think to myself, "Wow, they're really making choices to want to do that,
>> but I might also burn in hell for eternity." And I thought about it for a moment, and then I thought, "No, okay, I won't do it." And so I went on and >> I also have a rule, never give the audience what they want. >> Yeah, exactly. Never like I was I went on a great course about the the Treaty of Augsburg, actually. I No. So I go on there and I I just felt it's not these girls fault.
>> Do you see that? Do you see this is exactly this is exactly what I'm saying. It is never our fault ever, ever, ever, ever. And it drives me crazy because and in the beginning, right, you kind of have empathy, but again, then I would just interview woman, man, woman. It's like, do you feel bad for a guy that's broke at 35? So, why do we feel bad for like women if they're freezing their eggs at 35? Like, I mean, you probably made some bad decisions to get there. But then you got Michael Nolles coming in saying, "This isn't your fault. What are you talking about? It's okay. You know, not everyone can be great at everything. Sometimes you just take the L." I know. So, I go on there and I I just felt it's not these girls' fault. All of them have some weird family situation. None of them. We live in a culture that teaches them a ton of lies. They don't they don't >> But if a man turns 18 and has some weird family situation and commits a crime, we would all say that's your fault. But it's always the get out of jail free card every single time. It drives me crazy. >> No education. Even if they went to good schools, they have no education.
>> And the thing is, you never know if they believe this stuff because they really believe it and they just don't know. Or because every content creator knows you need you make more money with a bigger female audience. Women make eight out of 10 consumer buying decisions. Everybody's dollar except mine. Go to the audacityetwork.com. That's the audacitywork.com and sign up for our monthly or yearly memberships to support our documentaries, uh, shows, producers, and guests. Thank you. >> They don't. So, I I felt, okay, let's just talk about what's really going on here. And they're victims of feminism and the red pill guys. See again. Okay. So now that he's saying they are victims of feminism, so they're victims, not they're making they're adults making decisions. And I have to point this out because I actually think it's important for us women to know this because there's men that will lie to you and men that will be honest with you. And personally, I would prefer someone that's honest over somebody that's hiding the truth from me, whether intentionally or in unintentionally to shield my feelings. And that's kind of what you're going to get here because it's not their fault. It's not you're an adult. You made that decision and these are the consequences. It's it's not your fault.
>> As are victims of feminism. And the irony about the red pill guys, I sympathize with them a lot a lot of ways. the family courts are totally stacked against you. >> So, and he's saying he doesn't even know what the red pill is. Red pill is the study of human behavior and it came from forums online of men trying to figure out solutions to their problems. So, they might say at 27 women find God.
>> The culture promotes divorce and abolish the definition of marriage and blah blah blah. But the the red pill guys are feminists. Their their sense of men and women is basically this. It's just that men and women are interchangeable. >> Yes. >> And go around, screw around, you owe nothing to women. If it's good for women, it's good for men. And that's just a lie. You know, the the fundamental unit of society is actually not.
>> And so what these guys will do is, and I don't know their personal stuff, but they in their eyes, women are these angelic creatures that always want marriage, family, and relationships. But the experience of men that date women between 18 to 25, let's say, and are selected for shortterm, so like flings, that sort of thing, is that many women do not want that and they want to be promiscuous. And so he'll still find a way to blame it on the men when oftent times that like if you go to if you go to a high-end celebrity show, right? If you go to like a Drake, Justin Bieber, what you any guy that's super soughta, you will see hundreds, thousands of women throwing bras at them, being super sexually forward, right? And it's not just one woman. It's not a couple. It's significant enough that they can fill a stadium with women that want to do that and are doing that, right? I'm not saying it's all, but it's significant enough. So, are those women really victims, right? Is it they just wanted marriage and relationships and they just wanted to be wives? And is it Drake's fault if he or whatever celebrity it is? And I'm using a celebrity as an example, but there's still a top guy at the college, right? Or a top guy at work that the women go after. So, how is it his fault if the women are asking to sleep around? And the thing is, they blame men for it, but most men don't even have the option to sleep around. It's I mean, according to statistics, it's maybe 10% of men, but 80% of women, maybe 20%, 30% if you're generous for the men. So, who's responsible, right?
>> The individual, right? I love individual rights. It's good to be an individual. The unit, the fundamental unit of society is the family. It's men and women together who have a love that becomes so real that you make more people.
>> Well, to have to have an atom, you have to have a proton and an electron. >> And this is another thing people don't aren't aware that arranged marriages was the way for most of history. So, it never really was about love. Romantic love um was the downfall of marriage. I mean birth control contribute like I it wasn't just one thing but before romantic love happened it was two families got together and they exchanged goods and then they said it depends on the culture right sometimes the bride would give money sometimes the groom would give money but they would come up with some sort of arrangement they would say your son's 18 my daughter's 18 families get along let's do this thing there wasn't really love that came later, right?
>> Right. So, it's like >> a man is a proton. Like, very important, but essentially nothing until it's unified. >> Adam, you need to have an Eve. >> That's where I thought he was going. >> That's where I thought he was going. >> And then I was going to I thought he was going to go for the Steve thing. And I was just >> That's why >> not Steve. >> I've always uh >> two protons and Adam does not make. I dare say >> I've always with the red pill, you know, and I've and I've been in many altercations with with the red. I've run a foul with the red bill crowd many times talking about these issues and the question I've always had for them that they've never answered and I'd love to hear an answer from any of them is that you know, because I agree with 95% of their criticisms uh as you point out the family courts and it's how it's stacked against men and so on and so forth. What's the other option? like okay we agree with all that so then men should just >> so the way they view men as a collective and I get a lot of flack for saying that I don't like to tell men what to do the way I see it is men have so many women in their lives telling them what to do they have their mom telling them what to do they have their wife or their girlfriend telling them what to do I mean who the hell am I? If you guys want to go get married to some big old chick named Shirley, who am I to tell you not to? It's your life. You got one life to live. If you want to go have 10 kids and Daily Wire, I mean, go ahead. I mean, you got Don't Don't make your decision because of some random chick woman on the internet. I'm just I'm just a random woman. But they view men as a collective and they view everybody as a movement. So they think, "Oh, we should all make these decisions together." But I don't know you people. I mean, they don't know you. So wouldn't you think that every man should look at his circumstances and decide for himself? I mean, different different men have different options. The options of a engineer in Oklahoma is going to be different than a a bartender in Mexico. I don't know you guys. So a lot of times they view men as a collective >> be alone and and give up on their on their bloodline and die and their bloodline is extinguished like what you are suggesting is despair. You you are telling men that men are already feeling despair. They're feeling meaninglessness. They're feeling lost. They're feeling alone. Uh they're feeling like everything's stacked against them. And so your answer to them is yeah just that that's the be be in despair and then die. Well, and the question is, what what is different when you're married and when you're not married? What's different when you're living together and when you're married? What's the difference? The difference is that when she gets married, then she has leverage. Granted, I I think they always have leverage. If you have kids, she has leverage. But that's why you hear a lot of men say after marriage the woman changes or after children the woman changes because you get to see who she truly is because now she has leverage that it's much more difficult for you to leave.
>> And my my point is that that's just that's just not an okay answer. That can't be the answer. >> And and have lots and lots of sex. >> Well, but that's that's the sterile that's what you although not as much as a married man. >> But this is but this is what you were saying is that that's how it turns to the anti-woman. Yeah, >> because it's not about the despair. The way that you find meaning is then by disparaging the people who have victimized you, right? And in any victim victimizer sort of narrative when there is no actual victim and victimizer and it has to be sort of put together artificially, then the vict the person who self-perceives as the victim is very likely to then strike out at the person who they perceive as the victimizer. And so for a lot of the red pill men who perceive the woman, the great woman, as the victimizer, the idea is that you lash out at women by having lots of sex with random girls and basically treating them like trash. And it's okay because they said that it's okay with them. But it doesn't I've never understood the argument that it relieves you of responsibility.
>> So the reason he thinks this is because he thinks that those women wanted relationships. So he's thinking, well, you just hooked up with them and then you didn't talk to them again. Well, they wanted you to talk to them. Do you know how many guys I've heard say that they would hook up with women and the women didn't want relationships? But most men have never been in that position, right? I mean, it's like 10% 20% of men statistically. Or they get married before they ever are, which is fine. I'm not I'm not saying one's right, one's wrong, but it's not uncommon >> for treating a woman well just because the woman has consented to be treated badly.
>> But but this is he's right about the despair. is go permeating the right. It permeates the politics of the right. It's the idea is basically it's all over. They think of people basically Ben like you and me as sitting on an ice flow kind of floating out as the ice you know melts away because we're sitting around thinking about civil debate and you know constitutional governance and they think that's all over now and and they're all they're despair is permeates the right and I listen I listen to a lot of these young guys and they're talking about bringing back monarchy. They're talking about, you know, their Yeah. their king. I know you look >> what I didn't say anything. I didn't say anything. >> Yeah. You know, we had monarchy. It's not that great. You know, it actually isn't. You You know, if you think if you think our elections are bad, we need to see the beheadings, you know, because that's how most of the kings were. >> Yeah. I know. I mean, >> that's fine. >> I'm not saying we need an imam or a shake. >> What is the pill no marriage thing? I feel like I'm pretty in >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, it's a big thing. >> Am I missing like I feel like I've totally missed this. That's their whole position. They they think that that >> marriage which men are what men are anti-marriage. >> Well, yeah, that's the point. They they shouldn't be, you know, but it's >> He's right. This is true. >> All the guys that pop up in our Twitter feed, >> but tell me I'm actually missing this. I didn't know the marriage thing. I'm very proar. >> Pearl Pearl made that argument the argument men literally men should not get married. >> I never They would always mischaracterize what I said. I said it's objectively an unfavorable deal to men, but if you find a hot chick and you want to sorry, a hot woman and you want to go do it, go do it. But most women aren't opting for that. You guys get the idea. So again, they view it as that the women want to be married and they want to be in relationships and that's what they want. But their actions do not indicate.