Transcription
If you could go back in time, you could either vote for Donald Trump or Kamala Harris. Who would you rather vote for?
>> Trump.
>> Okay. Why do you support Donald Trump?
>> Because he's America first.
>> Okay. How is he America first?
>> Well, I mean, he's looking for our best interest.
How so?
>> Well, he's cutting um all that waste from the swamp. Doge, I think you would agree with that, wouldn't you?
Okay. Um, I don't think that he's cutting waste from the swamp. And Doge is shut down and Elon said that Doge is a failure.
>> Well, that's Elon's opinion. I don't think that's Trump's opinion.
>> Okay. Well, I mean, I don't think that he says that it's that he's doing that either. Um, since Trump's got in office, uh, especially in his first term, he signed off on more debt related spending than the Biden Harris administration by over $4 trillion.
>> Did you know that?
>> Yeah. Well, I do know that. But every president after him or before him has done the same thing.
>> No.
>> So,
>> I mean, Biden did four trillion less.
>> No. Well, four trillion less, but they've all done trillions. So,
>> but four trillion less. Do you think that four trillion is a big number? That's almost double.
>> They all spend money and Harris,
>> but Trump does it more than
>> Trump right now.
>> But Trump did it more.
>> Okay. Sure, he did it more, but I bet you Kamala would do even more. Kamla. Okay. Again, you have no evidence for that. Actually, I can send you a report from the Committee for Responsible Federal Budget that indicated that Kamala has to do four trillion less than Trump again.
>> So, if you want to actually look at the evidence, [clears throat]
>> we do because because we literally had the best estimates from the Committee for Responsible Federal Budget, a bipartisan committee from the federal government.
>> Okay. Well, why don't you like Trump?
>> Why don't I like Trump? Well, because he's worse for the economy. He's a horrible person,
>> right? He creates worse off conditions for the country. a horrible person.
>> Yeah. Despite him being a horrible person, his policy is atrocious. It cuts 420,000 children off of free school lunch, and breakfast on average every single month. Over 2.5 million people on average every month off their access to food stamps and over 10 million people off their access to health insurance while adding 3.4 trillion of debt and uh decreasing taxes massively mo and disproportionately for rich people. We can also point to the fact that he increased tariffs which disproportionately negatively impacted lower and middle-income individuals who spent a greater proportion of their income income on consumer goods.
>> I can tell you the first president uh the first term he was president for a small business owner he was great. We've never been busier since Trump's been president.
>> When was he president? Between what years?
>> His first term.
>> Between what years?
>> His whole first term.
>> So between what years? His whole first term
>> between what years?
>> Do you know what his first term was?
>> Yes, I do. I'm asking you if you do.
>> Okay. So, his whole whole term
>> '16-'17. Huh?
>> So, in '16 it was good.
>> Yes. The whole the whole term.
>> Well, that was before Trump was in office. That was [snorts] when Obama was still in office.
>> Okay. Well, '17, '18, '19, '20. You know what I mean?
>> Yeah. But what about what about the part of 2021 that he was in office? Was it bad then?
>> He was in office in '21.
>> Yeah, he was. No, he wasn't.
>> Yeah, he was.
>> No, he wasn't.
>> Yeah, he was up until
>> a certain day in January, right?
>> Oh, okay. Whatever. That's
>> Yeah, you're being a little smartass now. Last week you
>> Well, he was still president in up until 2021, right?
>> Yeah, that's after the pandemic, which by the way, after
>> the pandemic was still going on at that time.
>> It all came raging back because of his economy.
>> What became what came raging back because of his economy? What? After the after the COVID pandemic went away, uh, the economy came raging back. Yes.
>> Um, under the Biden Harris administration, you mean?
>> No. Thanks to Biden. No.
>> So, what did the Trump administration do to Hey, I have a question. What did the Trump administration do to cause the economy to be better off?
>> Started sinking again.
>> Wait. So, what what did the Trump administration do to cause the economy to be better off?
>> He he set it up to succeed before the pandemic hit. He set it up to succeed before the pandemic hit.
Okay. By doing what?
>> By drilling oil. By making America first. I mean, you name it. Lowering taxes.
>> Job growth.
>> Okay. I have a few things to tell you here. One, there's nothing Trump did specifically to to benefit job growth really. The the the taxes that he implemented, the tax cuts and jobs act only really added 0.4% GDP growth to the economy um according to a Harvard study from a liberal and conservative economist. Uh, we can also point to the fact that in terms of drilling or like producing of oil um again the Biden Harris administration kept that up alongside invested in renewable energy so actually made us more energy independent comparative to what Trump has done. And then we would have lower taxes under the Biden Harris administration or under the Harris administration. We would have we would have lower taxes
>> in Harris than under Trump. Way more taxes.
>> Oh, yeah. That was still Trump's tax policy.
>> No, it's after
>> No, it was not after that was still his tax policy. So, you're you're complaining about the taxes under Biden. That was Trump's tax policy.
>> No, sir.
>> Yes, it was.
>> I know you don't want to accept it, but it was.
>> It wasn't. They they
>> expired here in 2025. No, they expired during Biden's presidency and he did not uh
>> so so under Trump's plan, he let them expire at those particular uh points
>> due to his plan. That was the original tax cuts and jobs acts coming next year.
>> The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act was applicable through Biden's term. Okay, I know you don't want to accept that. That's true. And you were complaining about your taxes under Trump's admin uh Trump's uh plan. Well, I've already told you when he was the president the first time around. We've had our best years ever.
>> Uh, again, according to what metric?
>> According to my business, brother.
>> Okay, so it's an anecdote. So, that could just be related to your business. Your business could be worse off now.
>> It's not.
>> Why don't you pull yourself up by your bootstraps?
>> What do you What do you mean?
>> Are you saying that you can't be successful under a Democratic administration?
>> Absolutely.
>> You can. Okay. Okay. So then, so then what were you complaining about?
>> No, I I can't be successful.
>> Oh, you can't. So you can't pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Why not?
>> Um, because the government's in the way.
>> Oh, okay. So you're saying you need the government to fix your problems?
>> I said government is in the way.
>> How is it in the way?
>> Is in the way. Listen to what I'm saying.
>> How is it in the way?
>> By overt taxing.
>> Okay. Again, we were under Trump's tax policy.
>> His tax policy reduced taxes. Yeah. And we were under his tax policy and you were saying taxes were too high.
>> Taxes.
>> We were under Trump's tax policy under the Biden Harris administration.
>> Taxes.
>> So you're again blaming Trump for his tax policy.
>> You're not listening to me.
>> I am listening.
>> No, you're not. Because again, you would have heard that Donald Trump is the one who caused that tax policy.
>> Well, and by the way, you said you were doing good in 2016. That was when Obama was in office.
>> Yeah, he was in office for eight years. in '09 when uh, you know, all the other stuff went down. He was a a big cause of all that.
>> How was he the cause of it in '09? Tell me.
>> The housing market, the bubble and all that all that spending.
>> Yeah. How how did Obama How did Obama cause the Great Recession?
>> Because he's a Democrat.
>> So just because he's a Democrat that means he caused the Great Recession?
>> And and he spent tons of money.
>> Okay. So he spent tons of money. So, I just want to let you know uh that was in response to the recession. Genius. So, the recession already happened and they spent money in response to the recession to keep the economy afloat.
>> Why do you have to spend money? Let just let it do its thing.
>> Uh, that's not that would lead to people being negatively impacted, not having jobs. That would lead to them losing their homes to a greater extent. That would lead to people being worse off. So, again, you're talking about something that he inherited. It started before he got in office. And then you're blaming him just because he's a Democrat. So, this is just bad reasoning. This is honestly being done.
>> You're blaming Trump because he's a Republican and you just don't like
>> No, I'm not. I blame him because of reason and policy.
>> No, you're not thinking straight, buddy.
>> Yes, I am. How am I not thinking straight?
>> You can't You can't honestly tell tell me that you would be for Biden Harris.
>> I am.
>> There's no way.
>> What's wrong with that?
>> An old man who can't think.
>> Um, are you talking about Trump?
>> No.
>> Because it sounds like you're talking about Trump. Oh, come on. Don't Don't be a joke, dude.
>> I'm not. He's He's the one who has issues with that.
>> I mean, he said that windmills were causing whales to die in numbers never seen before. He said we should look into disinfectant by injection to fight COVID-19. He said that we should be nuking hurricanes uh because we want to make them, you know, radioactive. Make them radioactive because we want them to be even worse than they are, right?
>> It's part of Trump's personality. If you can't get that, then, you know, I don't know.
>> It's Trump's personality to say like wildly scientifically incorrect. That it's it's it's called being funny.
>> No, he's he wasn't joking. He like literally wasn't joking.
>> Yeah. Okay.
>> I'm serious. He was in a press briefing and he wasn't joking.
>> No. Well, you don't think Trump hasn't done anything good in this term so far?
>> Can you tell me what he's done?
>> No, I'm asking you.
>> No, I'm asking you. You don't think he's
>> Overall, no. Overall, no.
>> Nothing. Nothing at all.
>> Overall, no. Like there are certain aspects of the big beautiful bill I think are okay like no tax on tips but overall nothing because I think that overall the big bill beautiful bill was dog shit.
>> Well, I would agree with you in that sense is a bit bit a bit more spending than I would like. However, what about Syria? Not Syria. I'm sorry. Iran.
>> Iran. What about Iran? I think that he was the one who originally put us in the circumstance because he called he pulled out of the agreement that we had that specifically kept them in in a a mechanism for surveillance where we had 24/7 surveillance over their nuclear
>> gave us a better deal and he he ended their nuclear program.
>> He didn't put us in a better deal.
>> He ended their nuclear program.
>> No, he didn't. He only set them back by like less than a year.
>> No, he destroyed. Yep. And now their country is worse off. Um, and they, you know, they're basically in a civil war thanks to Trump, which means they might come asking for our help later on.
>> Okay. So, you're saying that like, uh, wait, repeat that one more time.
>> I'm saying that Trump did Iran a favor by, you know, going against their government because the people of of Iran hate their government. And we set them back by probably a decade.
>> No, we didn't. There's no source for that. Can you give me a single source saying that?
>> I mean, the Pentagon said that.
>> Can you give me a source?
>> I just did. The Pentagon.
>> again just claiming it is not a source. The actually the intelligence agencies right actually indicated that we did less than a year. So I don't even know where you saw that.
>> Well, then everybody would claim. So I mean no source no source could be accurate then.
>> What I'm I'm literally saying where did you even see that? Because again what was reported on was it was less than a year. Well, well, anyway, I'm for Trump. Obviously, you're not, but I wish you the best, man.
>> You don't You don't want Okay. Can I ask you a question before you leave? Uh, is there is there a single thing that Trump could do that would get you to stop supporting him?
>> Not really, man. I mean, I'm I'm I'm for immigration. Obviously, a lot of people are.
>> Wait, so to clarify, there's nothing he could do. That sounds like you're in a cult, then?
>> Nothing he could do?
>> Yeah. I mean, I don't think he's going to do anything, you know, against the law necessarily.
>> He already has. He's been He's a convicted felon.
>> Oh, well, that's hearsay, I guess you could say.
>> No, it's not. He was convicted.
>> And he's al He was also, you know, uh that was dismissed and all that good stuff.
>> No, it wasn't. He was convicted and sentenced.
>> Well, then he should be in jail then, right?
>> Uh, he should be, but the reason why he's not is because you guys voted him to position a presidency. He's not
>> guilty. What did you say?
>> If he's convicted, he's not in he should be in jail. He's not because he's not he was not convicted.
>> Um, again, he didn't go to jail. This they said this in the sentencing because he was elected president. So, you didn't hold him accountable for committing crimes because you voted for him.
>> No, I don't think that's right.
>> Yes, that is correct.
>> I'll let I'll let you believe that though.
>> I mean, it's not just letting me believe that. It's literally like that's factual. You can sit there and deny facts, but that's the truth.
>> Yeah. I mean, I don't say I don't know why I always, you know, the left says Trump supporters are in a cult. That That's always
>> because you just said that there's nothing Trump could do that would get you to stop supporting him. That's why.
>> When I say nothing, I mean like I think you're taking my thoughts out of context.
>> What? What do you mean? You said it. If he were to do something illegal, obviously people would say, "Hey, man, what are you doing?" But as far as running the country, honestly, I'm I'm for everything he's for, like he he's he's doing what we what he said and we we voted for him because he said he would do those things.
>> So, what did he do that you think is so amazing and fantastic? And again, still not indicative of the fact that
>> he's getting all the illegals out.
>> So,
>> you're saying he's getting undocumented immigrants out of the country. Okay. Uh, and why is that a good thing?
>> Why would it not be a good thing?
>> Over 70% of those that have have been detained by ICE have no prior criminal record. Only 5% of a violent criminal record. I would love for them to focus more on people who have committed violent crimes and bad crimes and are actually a threat to the safety and security of our communities like Donald Trump rather than focusing on undocumented immigrants coming to the country for a better life who are not a threat to the safety and security of our communities.
>> Unfortunately, if you come here undocumented, you're it's it's against the law.
>> Yeah. And Donald Trump has committed violations of the law. only given the fact that he's a convicted felon, but also when he violates due process rights in deporting people, he's violating constitutionally protected rights and violating that to an greater extent than the uh than the Obama or Biden administration.
>> Okay. Well, um I don't know. Did you know Obama also deported quite a bit of illegals too?
>> Quite a bit of undocumented immigrants. Yeah, absolutely.
>> Yeah. Are you against that?
>> Yes. And in situations which they haven't committed a violent crime or bad crime. I just think that he advocated for a quicker legal pathway to citizenship while simultaneously not violating due process or whatever. If they're illegal, they're illegal and they shouldn't be.
>> If they're in the country again, you're if you're saying that because they've committed a crime, it means they should be held accountable for a crime. Well, then what you're saying is that Trump should never have been voted into the position of presidency because he's a convicted felon. And the reason why he wasn't put in the position of uh like prison is because you voted for him and prevented that from happening.
>> Well, me and and the majority of the country did, too. That is Wait, it wasn't a majority of the country. It was less than 50% of those that voted, let alone majority of the country. Um, so again,
>> the popular vote.
>> Yeah, but that doesn't mean he won 50% of the country. Do you understand the distinction between
>> I get that. I get that. I get that. He won the popular vote.
>> Okay. Your point.
>> Overwhelmingly, he got voted into office because most people
>> It wasn't overwhelmingly. What are you talking about?
>> It sure it sure was.
>> No, it wasn't. Um, Hillary Clinton won by more votes in 2016.
>> Well, that's debatable. That's debatable.
>> No, it's not.
>> Sure it is.
>> It's not.
>> She won by 3 million votes.
>> Just like Biden. Um,
>> wait. I'm serious. She won by 3 million votes in terms of popular vote. You said popular vote, right? We're not even talking about electoral college right now. We're talking about popular vote. Well,
>> I mean, he wasn't supposed to win the first time, but he did. He beat her out. Good thing, too. She would have been a disaster.
>> I think she would have been better off than Trump. Trump is a disaster himself. You couldn't even mention any of his policies that he specifically has benefited the country based upon. All you could do is like these general platitudes, right, about like, oh, reducing immigration, oh, undocumented immigrants bad, right? Like it's like you're just making like general claims. you're not actually like giving an actual like argument or saying this is the reason why Donald Trump is better and like this is the policy that shows that he passed that or made that better off.
>> He got rid of all that uh is it DEI whatever it's called?
>> Well, then he would have kicked himself out of the office because one and by the way he he does that [clears throat] all the time. Right now he's he's DEI right now. Listen, I'll tell you.
>> That's so foolish. That's so foolish.
>> No, it's not because because he
>> Yes, it is.
>> No, it's not. Can I please finish? One, because he's unqualified. Two, he picks DEI all the time by him specifically picking loyalty over actual like qualifications to do a job. He's consistently been doing that this entire administration.
>> He has.
>> Yes.
>> Loyalty over who?
>> Over qualifications. Like for example, Vance. For example, Pete Hegseth.
>> Vance is a great vice president.
>> No, he's not. Name one thing that JD Vance has done as vice president to better off Americans lives.
>> Uh, specifically name one thing.
>> Well, who's more qualified? Tell me.
>> Well, who are you comparing? I don't know.
>> I mean, you say Vance isn't qualified. You say Trump is is picking loyalty over qualified. Who's more qualified than Vance?
>> Who's more qualified than Vance? Sure.
>> Kamala Harris. Well, he he she wasn't on a ticket.
>> She was.
>> No, not for vice president. She wasn't.
>> She was in 2020. And by the way,
>> I think even I think even Mike Pence was more qualified than JD Vance.
>> Well, I didn't know that.
>> Unironically.
>> Pence wasn't really a a Trump uh fan, so that's why he didn't
>> Oh, because because he didn't want to undermine the Constitution. Well,
>> so you see what I mean? He cares more about loyalty than qualifications.
>> Yeah. I think being president
>> like you can't name anything that JD Vance has done as vice president other than hump the couch. You can't tell me anything. Maybe vacation.
>> That's not that's not an argument. I mean
>> Well, you you haven't provided one. Yeah, exactly. So tell me what has he done? What has JD Vance done as vice president?
>> Support Trump.
>> Support Trump. So again, he can't name anything he's done
>> at all. That was just him grasping for straws.
>> He's supposed to support the president. That's what he's supposed to
>> Yeah. So, like that's obviously like you not naming anything.
>> Well, that's no different than someone who's sitting on That's no different than someone
>> Trump's agenda. What do you want him to do?
>> Supporting. By doing what? By doing what?
>> Humping the couch.
>> Vacation.
>> I don't follow everything that he does, but he also he obviously supports his agenda.
>> Yeah. You can't mention anything that he's done. Can you tell me any of his qualifications? stupid.
>> What are JD Vance's qualifications?
>> You know how stupid of an argument that is?
>> What are JD Vance's qualifications?
>> That's a childish argument.
>> What are JD Vance's qualifications?
>> Um, I don't know. Let me see. I'm pretty sure he was a business owner. Um, he's already serving in in in Congress, so there's that. What what did he do in Congress?
>> I said he was serving in Congress.
>> Yeah. What did he do in Congress? What was his job?
>> I don't I don't know honestly.
>> What type of business did he run?
>> Honestly, I don't know. I don't need to know all the details.
>> So, how do you know that these are qualifications if you don't know anything about them?
>> Do you really think Kamala would have been qualified?
>> Yeah.
>> I don't think so.
>> Wait, she was a senator.
>> Okay. So,
>> you said that was a qualification. Oh, and now you now you know it's a senator. By the way, secondly, we can also point to the fact that she was vice president. We can also point to the fact that she was DA. We can also point to the fact that she was a prosecutor.
>> So, we we have a we have a history of her being qualified.
>> Terrible. Just because you do those things don't make you qualified.
>> Okay. Well, then again, you can't mention any of JD Vance's qualifications. What makes you assume that she's unqualified? Uh, because he's stupid.
>> Okay. And what makes you think that? Because again, I can point to multiple things with Donald Trump to indicate that he's stupid, but you won't indicate that he's stupid, even though it's blatantly obvious that that's the case. Could you mention anything that she said that was stupid ever?
>> Everything that comes out of her mouth.
>> Name one thing.
>> Everything.
>> Be specific. Name one thing.
>> Everything.
>> You sound like an idiot. You're not mentioning anything in specific because you have nothing.
>> You You sound like an idiot.
>> You have nothing. You literally have nothing right now. You're grasping for straws and you were trying to call her stupid, but then the argument you were making, I just disproved it by asking one one basic question.
>> How do you know that? Literally, that's all I had to ask.
>> I and I just walked you into like literally you having nothing. Your your argument here is trust me, bro.
>> I [snorts] wouldn't support Kamala because you know,
>> she's she's for DEI. She's for gay marriage. She's for all that. What's What's wrong with gay marriage?
>> Well, a lot. It goes against God's word.
>> Oh, okay. Okay. How so? Where in the Bible does it say that gay marriage is wrong?
>> Romans.
>> Nowhere. No, in Romans it doesn't say gay marriage is wrong.
>> Okay. Well, it talks about relationships between a man and a man or a woman and a woman.
>> Well, one you could you could interpret that specifically because one, this is Paul
>> the same thing as being one. You could wait this is Paul saying this by the way in Romans and and you could interpret this specifically to be particular exploitative connotations not the particular uh same gender relationships that exist today or in typical um and now again that's not even referencing marriage. So again where does it condemn gay marriage in the Bible?
>> It doesn't so it doesn't have to say gay marriage specifically. All it needs to say is
>> All it needs to say is what it was from the beginning. They were male and female from the beginning. That made them male and female.
>> Those were Jesus's own words. So you don't
>> Yeah. That doesn't mean that only males and females have to be together. That's ridiculous.
>> It implies the truth, right?
>> What?
>> It It doesn't It doesn't need to state gay marriage is wrong. Already implied.
>> It does. It has to explicitly say that
>> man and woman, right?
>> Well, then if you're against it, but you don't have anything in the Bible to say that you should be against it. Sounds like you're just hating people to hate people rather than loving thy neighbor like Jesus commanded you to.
>> Well, who says hate? You said hate. I didn't say hate.
>> You are doing that. When you when you want to make gay gay marriage illegal, right? When you want to go after gay marriage, right? And you literally have nowhere in the Bible to point to to even indicate that it's wrong from your perspective. One, you're basing it on nothing legitimate because it's it's just a religious teaching. You don't say that every specific sin should be considered illegal, right? And even if it was considered a sin. And two, right, it uh it's not even considered a sin. There's nowhere in the Bible you can mention that it condemns gay marriage.
>> What about same samesex relationships?
>> Uh, if we're talking about gay marriage, that's totally fine. There's nothing in the Bible that condemns it in for the example for the uh you want to reference the gay intercourse in the context of the Bible that it condemns, right? You can reference that it's referencing exploitative conditions in terms of those particular relationships rather than referencing just gay intercourse in the context of marriage.
>> Relationships are wrong. Is that what you're saying?
>> What's up?
>> Are you saying sex relationships are wrong?
>> Absolutely not.
>> And give me give me a reason why.
>> What? There's nothing that you could indicate is wrong about them at all.
>> So, are you familiar with Romans at all?
>> Um, yes, I am. Do you know who wrote Romans? Oh,
>> okay. I told you that earlier. Now, again, I've already addressed this.
>> I knew that, buddy.
>> Yeah. So, again, we could reference that. That's particularly referencing exploitative practices, not just particularly two gay individuals engaging in intercourse when they're married today.
>> You want me to read the passage to you?
>> I mean, I've already read the passage.
>> I'll read it right now. So you can have that we can
>> well the thing is the issue in the dispute is going to be the word arenicoti
>> which is particularly going to be a word relevant to this. Right.
>> Right. That's that's a that's a word that um is uh interpreted differently. And I would say that the interpretation that you're going to take on that is obviously going to be relevant towards whether or not you view it's an exploitative practices practice of gay intercourse or if it's just gay intercourse in general. I think it's an exploitative practice of gay intercourse if I would take it a particular interpretation. But by the way, I don't even think that if you do accept this, that's a reason to say that it should be illegal. This is obviously absurd.
>> How do you how how do you interpret this? It says, "For this reason, God gave them up to dishonorable passions, for their woman exchanged natural relationships for those that were contrary to nature."
>> Yeah, you're you're reading a translation, by the way. I'm telling you the particular term.
>> Okay. Well, then give me your your the correct translation in your own
>> I have a question. Do you know what language the New Testament was written in?
>> Uh, it was I believe it was Hebrews or Hebrew.
>> That was for the Old Testament,
>> was it?
>> Mhm.
>> Okay. Greek.
>> Yep.
>> Yep. There you go. Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic, by the way. Um, so how do you interpret what I just read then? You you have to explain how you interpret that differently from how
>> I told you multiple times. And you didn't listen.
>> It's referencing exploited practices, not particularly just gay relationships in which they are married where they have intercourse in the context of that marriage.
>> No, that's not right.
>> Yeah,
>> I'm sorry, buddy. You're wrong.
>> You could you could just say that you accept a particular interpretation, right? But I'm saying I accept a different interpretation. Who's to say that your interpretation is any better than mine? Um, because I've studied it.
>> I have too. Can you tell me the first four books of the New Testament?
>> The New Testament, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John.
>> Okay. So, you you have to some degree. Do you know the two commandments Jesus gives you in the New Testament?
>> He gives lots of commandments.
>> No. The two commandments he says fulfills the Old.
>> Yeah. I don't know them off top of my head. Okay. Can you name three of the ten commandments? C
>> can you name them?
>> Can you name three of the ten commandments?
>> No, I'm asking you. Can you name those two commandments you just referred to?
>> Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's love thy neighbor, right? And uh love as as God yourself, Godself.
>> Everybody uses those those things.
>> Do you know what it means to love your neighbor?
>> Yeah, you didn't let me finish, but sure. Yeah, I do.
>> Okay. So, does that mean when someone is in sin, you can't tell them the wrong?
>> Does that mean if someone is in sin that you can't tell?
>> No, you you could describe that someone is engaging in something wrong, but I think that your interpretation here is explicitly trying to go after that because of societal bigotries that have been passed down, not because it's the actual interpretation of the text. One, and two, even to say if Paul says this, that doesn't mean that it's actual scripture from Jesus. Again, Jesus specifically never talked about gay marriage being wrong. He never said that gay intercourse was wrong. He talked a lot about the fact that people uh needed access to food and water and they needed, you know, to be taken care of if they were sick. But he did not talk anything about gay marriage being wrong or gay intercourse being wrong. So specifically, he doesn't have to say that. All he has to say is that from the beginning when God when God created male and female they were given together in marriage from the beginning.
>> Let me ask you one more question. Um, do you think everything sinful should be illegal?
>> I think everything sinful should be illegal.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, so according to to governments probably not, but according to God's standard, yes. So, do you think it should be illegal to tell your kids? Hold up.
>> Do you think it should be illegal to tell your kids that Santa Claus exists? Because that's a lie.
>> Not everything sinful is against the law in every country because we all have different laws in different countries.
>> No, but I'm asking you what do you think the law should be? And you're saying that if it if something's sinful, it should be against the law. So then my question is is my mom when when I was younger told me that Santa Claus exists. Should she should she go to prison for doing that? Okay. So now now you're changing it up. You're saying she should go to prison. Now
>> I'm asking Yeah. Do do you think she should go to prison because she sinned? She lied and told me Santa Claus existed, right? Should she go to prison for that?
>> I don't think I don't think she should go to prison. But what determines that?
>> Okay. But so then not so just because something is sinful does not mean it should be illegal. So even if you did consider it sinful to So let me explain. Let me explain. Even if you did, even if you did consider it sinful to engage in gay marriage, that does not mean that it should be considered illegal from your perspective. Not only do you can you not establish that it's immoral from your own perspective or sinful, but you also couldn't establish even if it was considered immoral or sinful that it would be illegal or should be illegal.