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We are here in beautiful Como. I cannot believe it. It is all because of you. Thank you so much for the support on the channel. It means the world to me. Without you, this wouldn't have happened. I now get to say these words. Words I thought would never be possible to say on this channel. Please welcome to this channel the icon that is Mr. Cesque Fabregas.
>> Rory.
>> Hi. How are you?
>> How are you? Nice to meet you. All good.
>> Yeah. Very good. How are you?
>> Good. Good. Good.
So, it really is an honor to be here with you and it's a it's a wonderful place. It's a wonderful club and you're now the manager. Like, obviously, I followed your career from start to finish. I was fully aware of it. I had the luxury of watching you play both as a rival and as a as a fan. And I think it would be apparent to everybody who's seen you play that there would be a natural a natural pathway for you to be in management. Very intelligent footballer. Somebody that saw the game at maybe a different pace to everyone else and now you are in management at Como. How how are you finding everything?
>> No, I'm finding it uh very interesting, you know, because uh I never really thought at my young career or even in the the middle of my career or even at the early end of my career that I could become a coach. You know, after when I was in Monaco at 32 years old when COVID hit. Uh I don't know if you remember that in France, uh the league stopped straight away. You know, they came out with the news that it would never uh come back. We were the only I think uh league >> one of them that uh it completely stopped. So we stayed 4 months at home and you can imagine uh being at home completely uh locked down uh I had a lot of time for myself uh for the family uh for everything but I really started it started hitting me that uh I wanted to think a little bit about what I wanted to do next.
Um and I started to talk to a lot of people. I started taking my my wifa license the B1 etc etc. I started loving it loving it loving it. I got very very curious about everything. Then when everything came back to normal, I started coaching a little bit. And then when my move came to to KO, it got serious because I started then once a week always training and coaching the under 19s. Uh I was getting my uh A license and then my Pro license and everything went very quick I would say, you know. But uh definitely all the people that I spoke to, all the people that helped me around me uh were amazing.
>> Amazing. And so you came in initially on an interim basis and got promoted.
>> Yes.
>> That's a huge achievement.
>> Yeah. Well, that's how it happened. You know, I retired with the intention that I wanted to be a coach. Um I came here as a project, you know, to end up my career playing on the beach. That was one of my my dreams, you know, not to finish as an injured player or as a player that uh is always on the bench, etc. So, I got that here at KOMO. Um, then I had another year left and I didn't want to do it because of what I'm telling you. You know, I I I just didn't feel it was the type of football I wanted to play that the trainings were too long for me. So I my I was hungry for for coaching you know for for >> doing other things another moving on in life you know and then you know when I had the chance to to retire and get the the primma vera which is called here which is the under 19s >> it was my first experience as coaching regularly so I tried to do as best as possible and four months later three months later the president called me you know to see if I could take uh the first team so yeah everything started there we got promoted Ed and now we are two years in in Syria.
>> Such a challenge though taking a newly promoted team into Syria. You're a young manager and it's it's hard obviously it's hard.
>> It's not that I am a young coach. It's that >> I'm completely new in the job.
>> Yeah, absolutely.
>> I was a player three months before and now I'm coaching a team that uh where we wanted you know together with the president and get promoted to to Syria straight away after 21 years. So 100% it was a challenge after that. Yes, I agree that uh thinking about it now, we went up a little bit too early. Um even for us, we thought that one more year in Syria B and then get ready because what you see here now, two years ago, it didn't exist. Okay, we didn't have a gym, we didn't have a restaurant, we didn't have pictures. Sometimes we turned up here at in the morning to train and we couldn't train because the pitch were not ready or were iced or something like this. So there are a lot of problems that nobody knows because we try to always kind of not hide it but always not to talk about it. But um we started basically at at the not the ground floor minus 10 you know I always say so we would promote it really really fast. We need to attract >> better players cuz we need to change the whole squad you know to be able to survive in Syria. We did that and uh and yeah that is true that at the beginning it was tough because we had a lot of players that if you look where they are now you know they all or don't play football or play in Syria B or play or they play whatever. So we did what we did last year you know with a group of players that uh >> you know uh maybe didn't have the the highest level you know but we tried to get the best out of them. They helped us so much. They get uh they try to do everything that we asked for with great dedication, great passion for the club and I will always always remember what they did, you know. So after that in January, we tried to switch things. We tried to raise the level.
>> Yeah,
>> we did a good market in my opinion. We brought players that helped us a lot to raise the level and finishing mid table in our first year was actually a big achievement.
>> Yeah, it's absolutely huge. It's really interesting from obviously a fans perspective to hear how you would see the situation. The conversation around almost world football at the moment is that there are a lack of a lack of risk takers, a lack of mavericks, a lack of maybe excitement. Some people see the Premier League in particular as being slightly stale. What What do you think toward to that? Do you think that football's perhaps become overly tactical or do you think that there is still room for the wonderful entertaining marauding forwards?
I think every coach now believes in different things, you know. Um it probably depends on the quality that you think you have, you know, uh in your team that you can trust them more or less. I think some coaches nowadays um we want to have everything perfect. We want to control everything. We want to go into the deepest detail to say, >> "Okay, I did everything. Now it's up to them." You know, you want to feel this comfort within yourself. Um and that goes into the head of the player you know if I don't do this well the coach will kill me if I don't do this well you know I will not play so it becomes you know sometimes a little bit too robotic like you said we don't let them express themselves we don't let them take the risks that they need to take sometimes I imagine myself >> would I be playing in this football >> probably not because I probably the player that takes the most risk my dream was to leave the strike alone against the goalkeeper five times if it's possible. But what does that mean? That the more risks I take >> probably the more balls I lose, you know, because if I try to leave the striker alone against the goalkeeper four times >> successfully, four out of four will be difficult. So maybe I need to try eight to 10 times. That means six to eight times maybe I lose the ball. And this can frustrate the play the coaches or the dynamics of the teams whatever. So that's why I think now the players are very A B C D now I have to do this and we don't let them express the way they would love or um their abilities coming would you so would you extend the courtesy that you would like to have received you could take a risk when you were playing top level football when you're winning everything with Spain or or or winning Barcelona or in the Premier League you would take risk occasionally you lose the ball do you extend that courtesy to your players or are you very regimented with risk takingaking.
>> No, I I I like it because risks plays a part, you know, uh a big part in football. If you don't take risks, if you don't take uh decisions by yourself, sometimes I say I could have in mind this play, you know, this dynamic, this this this this but sometimes the players, they will see things inside the pitch that not even you can imagine. you know a final ball or a one two a dribbling that you didn't expect in that moment or you are telling a player no only dribble one against one and then all of a sudden he dribbles the two against one he does it a well done well done but if he loses the ball hey I told you not to do it so it's a little bit uh you know we live in this world that >> it's a little bit >> even from ourself hypocrite you know because we like to defend ourselves with certain things but then when they do something different it work you say well done >> so for me it doesn't really work like that you need to analyze is your team. You need to understand where you want to take the risks, where you gain want to gain some advantages, who are your best players, what are their um characteristics, you know, the the profile that uh you want from your striker, from your number 10, etc. And the lack of myself being here, you know, is that we can create this style of play depending on what the coach wants, what we believe in, in this case me and then try to apply it, you know, bringing the the right uh profile of players for whatever you want to do on the pitch. I think this is very very helpful. What I believe a lot today in football is intelligent players >> bring me quality intelligent players. They don't need to be to be super physical. I just want them to understand and every time much much more what I want is to give them the information of where are the spaces in the game that we're going to play you know what is the opposition team about are they pressing are they not pressing are they jumping to the goalkeeper are they not jumping to are they waiting deep is it a counterattacking team and depending on this I need to give the right information to >> my players you know collectively individually through relationships etc about what they should expect for this game and where we can be more dangerous or where they can create spaces for themselves. After that, as I said, bring me quality players that they understand the game, you know, they understand the spaces that they can give quality balls, they find each other. Because for me, football is not about only what the coach says. It's about relationships. I can have a good feeling with you. For example, the feeling I had with Tierry or the feeling I had with Diego Costa or with Eden Hazard or with Iniesta, it's something that you cannot coach. >> Yeah. You know because you know you like this player, you know, you feel comfortable with this player, he feels comfortable with you. So the relationships are always close to each other. You know, if the coach tries to take this away from you, >> you're killing the team. >> Yeah. >> You know, you're killing yourself.
>> So you have obviously being here, being around Koma, I can feel that it's a club that it's it's almost built in your image. It feels very much that you are your own man of course but equally you you were managed at an elite level at Spain the three in a row you were managed by Pep Guardiola you were managed by Arson Wenger you were managed by Jose Mourinho some amazing icons to draw upon their experiences >> would you do do you feel that you were influenced by the managers that you worked for
>> Yes 100% I think a lot about what they used to do what they used to say I remember very well in meetings things, you know, how a coached certain coach, whatever it is, dealt with certain situations. If we were happy with it, if we were not happy, if we were not happy, I would write it down like, okay, maybe for the future this is not a good idea, you know, how he dealt with this situation or this or that with the younger players. Arson Wenger for me was the master you know he used to work with us uh with Mourinho how he used to work with the head of the players you know was he was so spontaneous so good at dealing at reading certain dynamics in the dressing room individually collectively then uh with Antonio Conte he was so disciplined he was so hard you know he was very abd you know you you couldn't mess about uh Guardiola tactically he gave me uh a lot of details that are important even now how I think about football. So yeah, >> the mixed of everyone and especially the most important winning with all of them. Yeah, because this is very important. You know, sometimes uh coaches or players that have been coached or raced in a certain atmosphere, let's say the Barcelona way, you know.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh it's this way, you know, you don't you're not going to be in deep block. You're not going to play counterattack all the time, you know. It's very clear what Barcelona way is and what they want to do and what they teach you from their young. So if you are 25 years in Barcelona, you think winning means only this way. But winning with Conte, winning with Mourinho, winning with Banger, winning with Guardiola, winning with Delvoske with so many different concepts, different styles of leadership, etc., etc. This gives me a lot of confidence that to say >> here you have to be humble enough to pick the best from everyone you know and try to apply it. And then of course you will have groups that need one thing. You for example here I have a very very very young team. We are one of the youngest teams in Europe and uh I think in Italy we double up in terms of minutes the under 23s with the second team. You know for I think we have like 30,000 minutes used of uh under 23s. The second is maybe 16,000 whatever. So we use a very very very young group of players and I need to be smart enough that I'm not only a coach, I'm a psychologist, I'm a dad, I am a motivator, I'm an educator, you know, whatever you want to call it and then I'm a coach as well. So you need to get the grip of uh of your own team and I think that's important to understand who you're dealing with.
>> Yeah, absolutely. Z, can I take you back now obviously decades to to when you were 15. You were playing for Barcelona. You're at LMA. You were part of a of a generation that have actually gone on to be of which you were included.
>> The greatest to have come out of there. You know, you you were in a youth team with with Messi with uh Jerro Pique. Yeah, it was it was an amazing an amazing side.
>> But at 15, you did something incredibly brave. you decided to leave your home club and go to London to play for Arsenal Football Club. H how did that come? It just feels like such a It feels like such a brave decision for someone so young presumably you didn't speak English.
>> No, at that time not.
>> And you just took the risk to go to live in London to play for Wenger. How did how did that come about?
Yeah, interesting because um I was a Barcelona like you said and um we had a meeting at the end of the season around April uh March with Francis Kagawa who was the scout and Steve Roelly >> um you know with my dad and my mom and myself and they told us about the possibility that they followed me for 40 whatever games you know they they used to go really deep >> and detailed about every player you know and Um, and I was impressed. We were all impressed with my family about how much they knew about myself, you know, about my style of play, how many times they came to see me. Francis is really, I think, one of the best, you know, scouts that uh there is in Europe around because um the way he he analyzes you, I I haven't seen it with with many many other people. And then they got Van Persie and all of this type of play, Alishi, etc. So yeah, it was fascinating to to see the work. They invited me to London, you know, to speak with Arson, with David Dean, and then they showed me around the training ground around London. It was amazing. Two days, beautiful weather. They >> Yeah, it's misleading. And then I went to see also the house where I could be living uh with the land lady, Norin, who was outstanding for me, and Philip Cenderos, cuz we would have been living together. And then after that I went back home. Uh I had to take some time you know to to analyze everything and to take the right decision. We went to the World Cup under 17s. I was a year younger and we were playing in Finland. >> And with Spain we did really well. We reached the final and I got uh uh player of the tournament and goal scorer of the tournament with being a year younger. And then after that, that's when the news hit and I made my uh my mind up that I really wanted to go there because I would have been training with the first team. You know, Arson Banger is one of the best coaches. You know, when it comes down to to to coaching, real coaching and believing the young talents. I felt that Arsenal were in a period in 2003 that they were growing. You could see they were getting better and David Dean and and everyone all the structure was really making me believe and my parents that it was the best decision and I went for it. I went for it and in September I went back started training with the first team and two months later I was making my debut scoring my first goal >> Wolverampton against Paul in the middle that's right I was double my age at that moment. >> So no it was um it was incredible. It was incredible. It was a a very good decision, but it was a brave one at the time.
>> Hugely brave. It's because, you know, when we think about these young players. So, for example, at the moment, Arsenal have Max Dman coming through. It's such a tender age. It's it's just almost almost unfathomable. It's so difficult for somebody like me to understand what the pressures of playing Premier League football are for such a kid like that. Like, does it what what sets that apart? You know, obviously I grew up in North London. >> In my era, everybody in North London was very aware of Joe Cole. I imagine in Liverpool, Wayne Rooney. You obviously are part of this story for Max Dman. Now, what is it Lionel Messi? Of course, you would have been at you would have been at Barcelona Messi with Lionel Messi. >> What is What is it like to be that young and have that sort of both ambition but pressure on you?
>> That's the thing. And I know sometimes it's difficult to to believe, but I always say when you are so young and you get your chance, you are young and stupid. >> You don't feel the pressure. >> You are so hungry cuz you are so hungry for for success to show to prove what you want. Uh your life is football. You want to live off football. You're playing with the best players that I cannot tell you I am nervous or not. You are more nervous after >> really >> 2 3 years later when the expectations are higher when you've already showed that you are a player that can do well that can be dealt uh with playing with young with better players with the pressure etc. Now it's where you are starting to being judged at the highest level. Before that >> every pass every touch oh look at this young player he's amazing. >> Yeah but after you have to keep growing you have to keep getting better and that's where you will be judged. That's where will be the next big challenge you know where when you do the same is not enough you need to keep growing and doing better and doing better with Nikop pass for example this is my conversations a lot are about this you know when he was 19 and he started scoring goals here oh wow amazing amazing then you're he's doing the same things it's not enough the year after and it's not enough and you need to do more and more and more and more >> because 2010 2011 15 goals 15 assists I always argue Even though it's for Arsenal, I always argue, you know, when we do sort of best single seasons in the Premier League, people often talk about maybe the Lewis Suarez season in terms of just a single season. Fernando Torres, that season at Liverpool. For that season, just unbelievable. 2010, 2011 for you at Arsenal was an unbelievable season, wasn't it?
>> Yeah, I mean, now I didn't remember those stats. It's true that uh in my career, I think in Barcelona, my first year it's 15 goals and 18 assists. at Chelsea my first year is five goals playing from deep midfield and 24 assists. You know, it's true that these are numbers that nowadays from midfield you don't see too much, but also the strikers are not scoring as much as before. You don't see, for example, I think this year Lao Martinez is the the top uh goal scorer in the league with 16 goals, >> you know, is not even reaching 20, which is numbers that are getting lower, lower, lower. Is it our fault as coaches that whatever we were talking about at the beginning of the chat if we are being a little bit too rigid if we don't have room for creativity for players expressing themselves to the highest level >> is it that >> maybe maybe >> cuz there aren't they're not there are they the things even if you just go back a decade to the era that we're talking about you mentioned like almost flippantly some elite level players that you that you played you Terry Reed Diego Costa >> they're just not around with the exception of maybe Harry Kane Erling Harland that archetypal center forward that used to be so >> dominant, >> so dominant and and even even fairly average teams would have an elite striker. I mean, Queens Park Rangers had less Verdina playing up front. It was amazing. >> They don't seem to be around. Do you feel like it is systemic? Is it in the coaching or do you think it's something that's happening younger?
>> I don't know. Uh, for sure there is a system that needs to be fixed. I think that younger players, they need to express themselves more. I'm talking about academies you know there needs to be more dribbling there needs to be more creativity more the players takes decision by themselves I think tactically we are teaching them too young and there is two ways of tactics there is the collective tactic and the individual tactic because this is also very important the individual tactic you know it's not just about passing where the coach is telling you it's not about doing this doing that no you need to express yourself you know like you said where are the spaces are did you turn your did you scan enough Mhm. >> Chavi used to to to scan 20 times before the ball comes and the ball is on the other side, but he already knows what's happening around him. The other day OS the second goal of Bayern against PSG, his first goal, the 22. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> He's walking for 10 15 seconds, but he looked he scanned 15 times >> and then there is a moment that he makes a little move 2 m. He knows he's alone. He turns dribbles and then it's the individual quality, you know. But all these things I don't think we teach enough, you know. Now even young coaches from academy ismies under 10. I see my I watch my son under nine and sometime I see the other coaches shouting and they want to win and they are talking about no hit it long and this and that and compete. Yeah, this is is good, you know. Uh, but before that, the collective the tactical collectively, you know, you can get it. >> But can you teach, you know, you know what you're talking about there and obvious so it's just amazing listening to you being able to draw in these these stories in Chavy looking constantly scanning you were obviously the same. Can that be taught or is that just is that just genius?
>> No, you it can be told. >> It can be. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it needs to be early. It needs to be early. my situations, my conversations individually with the player, let's say with Martin Burrida, who is a a very good talent, you know, from Croatia, he's 23 years old, Nikopath, with Peron, uh, all these players, my my my talks with them, my videos is about these things. It's about how can you be better? Be better. Look what the best does. Because if you want to be better, you need to be compared to the best ones, you know. I'm not doing it to to make you uh feel small. I'm motivating you that look what they're doing is this you want to reach to this level you have to do it how can we start by doing this you know okay so we do some certain drills certain situations uh about profile of body positions and then after that when you make them see it then they go home and they think about it and when they watch games they analyze certain thing oh but look what the coach was telling me is right and this and that then we try to apply it in the training individually making certain drills whatever if it's for fullbacks if it's for midfielders for wingers Everyone has their own uh their own um work then collective training and then we try to apply it on the pitch and you see the growth of these players you know and it's for me the biggest satisfaction after you know of course when you do a game plan and everything goes the way you want it and you win a game amazing satisfaction but when you see the young players grow uh quickly by the things that you show that you coach that you analyze with them that you speak and you get this personal relationship with them for me as a satisfaction that cannot be compared to to anything and the boys are giving me everything uh in this case and um I'm very very satisfied
>> Your passion for talking about that in the way that you are for these this group of players that you have here at KO it's it's I mean it's such a fortunate and obviously they've earned it but it's just an amazing person to be around you know if they can absorb this knowledge this experience from you it sets them up so beautifully doesn't it it's like amazing how Many I mean how many people can draw an experience where they go this is what Chavi did. It's it's so fascinating to listen to it. Do you know when I think about your Barcelona career? The overriding memory for me is like you in that fiery yellow kit scoring lots of headers.
>> Yeah.
>> Invariably the the celebration would often be you and Lionel Messi. It seemed like you had a real nice rapport, real nice friendship. Is that would he be a friend of yours?
>> Leo.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> What was it like? What was it like playing with him?
>> It's I mean it's a privilege first of all. It's an honor. It's a satisfaction because um he makes you better. And if you are a little bit intelligent, you will accept that he makes you better and you will just be very very close to him, you know, on the pitch. The closer you are to Leo and the opposite movements that he does you do, he will find you or you will find him. You know, if you try to be too smart, if you want to do now the same things that he does and you try to copy him and now you want to be the big guy, it's a big problem. If you are small enough, humble enough, call it whatever you want to make the opposite. No, if he comes to the ball, me, I make the run because I know that the ball is coming. And if I make a good run with the right timing, I know the ball will come here. I just need to make a first touch and score the goal in front of the goalkeeper. If it's the opposite, I see that he runs. Maybe now I come because I know that his timing will be so good or he will make a contra movement to play long and now I will be able to to play short and make a one two make a combination etc. It's just it's just so good young you know when you were kids did you know did it's very difficult to predict but was there something special even when you're in you're surrounded by you're surrounded by beautiful potential beyond anything. Was he the jewel in the crown? Could you see that he was something different even at that tender age?
They asked me this before and it's easy to say yes. But again, we were also very young, okay? We were 12 years old the first time we met. When we started training it together for the first time, he was very shy. Um, you could see amazing potential on the one against one. He was playing as a winger, uh, left winger, so he had the dribbling a lot of times outside, but he was always allowing the player to come very close to him and then he he gets away. that he was so small. He was getting fouled a lot. He was playing a lot on the line. You know, Barcelona Lamazia is always 4-3-3 or 3-4-3 at the time with the wingers on the line. So, compared to what he was or what he's been now during his career, you know, as a number 10 false nine, always inside around the old pitch. Before it wasn't like that, okay, in terms of where he was playing and what the coaches were demanding from him. But once he got into the right coming inside and then when Guardiola put him a little bit more central, I think he exploded and we saw a kind of level that individually I've never I've never ever seen.
>> Yeah, it's truly truly amazing. Can I take you now just to because it's it's one of my favorite times following Chelsea. Your period of being at Chelsea, you arrived 2014. It's quite unlikely. I think maybe that's fair to say. I don't necessarily think many Chelsea fans thought there was a chance that we'd sign you. I think even even fewer Chelsea fans would have thought there'd be a chance that we would fall in love with you. >> And on some level, it was I think reciprocated. I remember your final game. It was it was a heartbreaking sight. You really did entrench yourself in the hearts of Chelsea fans, but it wasn't always like that.
>> No, it wasn't. 100% it wasn't. It's football, you know. It's it's the funny and beautiful thing about it. Uh but yeah, at Chelsea I was treated so well. It's true that at the beginning my thought once I decide to leave Barcelona and I want to go back to the Premier League, my first thought is I'm going back to Arsenal because Arsenal had a uh buyback uh close, you know, with uh that was lasting I think it was two weeks by the time we tell them I'm leaving Barcelona. They had two weeks to to kind of activate the clause. Obviously, they were aware of it. they didn't take it. And even though I was a little bit surprised, I have to look after myself. You know, I I'm only 27 years old. I'm at the peak of my career. I want to to do well. I want to keep winning. I want to keep performing. And then it's true that I had a couple of uh options with Man City and uh and Chelsea. But once Mourinho came to talk to me, for me it was over.
>> Really? I already see that persuasive.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When I spoke to to Jose, he drew the team that he wanted. Um he he told me about the A Costa, about Corttois, Philip Luiz, etc. He told me that with this this this we could we could win the league. Um and he was right. And he was right. Yeah, he was right. We won the the double if I'm not mistaken >> and the Premier League. So,
>> And and what a start. What an amazing season. There was the you know you know when you think now obviously we're going kind of just about to finish but that kind of full circle conversation some of the quality of goals that was scored we obviously the first go first game of the season the Monday night at Burnley I was there >> that assist it's gone down as probably the best Premier League assist >> of all time it's >> not about me it's about you >> well I made the pass but the the movement the timing the run of Andre Shir it's it's incredible if he doesn't make the move I cannot pass the ball to Yeah.
>> So there's so many factors, you know, so many concepts, details that we need to think about. Yeah. Best pass, but the pass means nothing. If this guy doesn't make this >> or if Ivanovich doesn't pass me the ball on my right foot and he gives me a a bad pass on my left, you know, I need >> That's very generous of Ivanovich's part. Yeah. No, but it's it's the truth because these little details when you make a diagonal pass, you know, to the from a number six to the opposite number 10, if you pass him the ball on his left and he's being pressed from the inside, most of the times the center back will have a chance to ch to to tackle you. If you get the pass diagonal ball into his further leg into the right to control the ball outside and the center back is pressing from inside for sure after you will have more >> time to open your body and to take the next step with more time you know so all these little details uh are so important that's why I was telling you every time I play with Leo as a false nine I will make sure I'm very close to him the same way that Lamper probably was very close to to Dierier the same way that uh Burkham used to be very close and all of these little relationships. This I keep saying, I keep defending that is not coachable. Nobody >> coached my relationship with uh the Costa. Nobody coached my relationship with Thean Reed. These are connections. These are people that understand each other. These are people that understand the game the same way. They speak to each other. They communicate things that today in football I have to repeat repeat, please talk to each other, help each other. when you go into defending zonal. No, manto man is a bit different because I go with you, he goes with him. It's a bit more individual responsibility. But when you want to be more complete, more going to the zone, if you don't speak, they're always on their phones, on their iPads, uh watching uh YouTube, Tik Tok, whatever it is, and they forget how important it is the communication.
>> Yeah. So, so interesting. I have to say thank you so much for everything, especially that like that season. I remember being at Leicester away. I think Drog was scored. It was the first time the magic hat song I remember it going. It's the first time I remember it really taking off and I think a love affair was born. >> Cesar, I can't thank you enough for your time. I really, really appreciate it.
>> My pleasure. My pleasure. Thank you so much. Thank you. Cheers. An honor.
>> Honor for me.