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So let me ask you a question. So in the CRT literature, what, what do they think of white people or whiteness?
Um, who would you like me to quote? Kimberly Kensaw. I haven't read Kimberly Kensaw. She says that whiteness is a cancer or a toxin on our society. The concept of whiteness, the racial concept of whiteness. Okay.
So what is whiteness? What is whiteness? Yeah. Define it. As Kimberly Kensaw would probably say, the sort of construction of privilege that comes with being white in this country. Right.
So what, what privilege do you and I as white people have that black people don't have? Yeah, great question. Um, on applications that are blindly judged, white-sounding names are often given the job more. They're paid more. Not true. In fact, it's the opposite. There's black privilege. Right now, it's called affirmative action, where underqualified blacks are taking Asians and white people's places in universities across the country. True or false? Um, the true. Okay. So, yeah, there's black privilege, not white privilege. Actually, I don't think affirmative action is how we address educational inequality. Okay. Well, that affirmative action was, is still largely supported by the CRT regime. But let's get back to CRT, to the essence of it.
Sure. CRT believes in one manifestation of its ideology is black-only dormitories. So white people are not allowed. Do you believe in black-only dormitories? No. And I don't have to agree with every aspect of an ideology to argue for it. So, so then what part of CRT do you like? Because they call whiteness a toxin, black-only dormitories. And if you want to talk about like, ideological or intellectual sloppiness, the 1619 Project was, I think it's very sloppy. Okay. We agree, Nico. I think it's overstated, and I think some of the parts are inaccurate. Okay. Good.
Um, the parts of CRT that I think are most relevant, and, you know, very factually, uh, you can, you know, what am I trying to say? There's a lot of evidence for them, is the fact that previous inequality, such as the institution of slavery, such as our treatment of Native Americans, do in fact affect those populations today. And you were saying before, in, you know, inner cities, there's a lot more crime, and a lot of that is because of redlining and other like practices that come directly from the mistreatment of minorities previously in this country.
So I want to make sure I understand. So, so black people make up 13.3% of the American population. Oh, 13.50. My favorite. Yes, exactly. Why do they commit 55% of all the murders? Super great question. Um, it's basically a very complex intersection of race and, um, economic status. It's pretty well known that, uh, minority people tend to be, um, in a lower economic status because of discrimination that.
So then why don't poor Asians commit a lot of murders? Also good. Great question. Um, Asian people weren't originally brought to America on purpose like black people, and they weren't already present here like natives. I'm not. So blacks murder because they were brought here 250 years ago? I would like to finish. Okay. Just answer. It's very simple. Black. No, I know, but you're not really. I am. Asian Americans predominantly immigrate here for work reasons. They come from already wealthy countries. They're already wealthy when they get here. Crime is committed primarily. That's not true. Talk to anybody from Vietnam. Anybody. Did your family come here wealthy? No. Yes, wealthy, but not saying they come here. Okay. The average Vietnamese does not come here wealthy. I'm not. Okay. I perhaps misspoke. Not wealthy, but a lot of the, you know, you complain about it all the time, a lot of the immigration from countries that border us, right? It's, it's sort of desperate people who are of a lower economic status, right? And they're coming here for a better life.
So, so two things. Number one, there's been more blacks that have legally immigrated to this country in the last 30 years than were ever brought as slaves. That's number one. Number two, you still haven't answered the question. I'm, I'm trying to. It's a complicated answer. Black people are only 13.3% of the population, yet they commit 55% of the murders. Why? Because black people tend to be in lower economic statuses because of complicity. Because of no, no, this is F. This is great. So you think that poverty equals crime? I think that it's, um, highly correlated, and there's a lot of study. This is where we disagree. What an insult to the working poor in this country. Why do you think black people commit more crime? First of all. So how, let me ask you, let me ask you a question as my answer. What percentage of blacks have a father around when they're raised? I'm not sure. 20%. 80% of blacks do not have a stable father around. It is the most predictable way to end up in prison, end up as a murderer or a criminal. It's not a racism problem. It's not a white supremacy problem. It's a fact that black fathers impregnate women and they don't stay around with the women that they have impregnated. Why?
Charlie Kirk, do you think that that happens more in the black community compared to others? It's, it's threefold. Number one, we subsidize single motherhood. Number two, it's culture. It's accepted in the black community, and it should be culture. Okay. Okay. Don't take my word for it. Read Thomas Soul's own book on how Black Culture allows single motherhood to continue into a nanny state type practice. 75% of black youth are raised without a father in the home. 75%. Is that a bigger problem or not a bigger problem than whiteness, white privilege, or white supremacy? How can all be addressed? And they're all related. Okay. How is a white person to blame for the fact that 75% of blacks? Oh, individual white people aren't at all to blame. Okay. We agree. Yeah. So, but wouldn't it be more like smarter be like, hey, that this is not about systemic racism. Like, stop impregnating your women and abandoning them. Um, well, the way to incentivize not impregnating women and abandoning them is increasing access to healthcare, into housing, into everything that we know increases for people. Done that. So we have spent $30 trillion on the social welfare system since 1965. Black people are poorer, and the single motherhood went from 25% to now 75 to 80%. So the more money we've spent on Black America, the less fathers we have because black women divorced black men and married the government. And do you think that's a problem inherent to black people? No, it's not. It's happening now in white communities and Hispanic communities. It's just the worst in Black America. And why do you think that is? Why, why is it the worst in Black America? There's also a cultural problem. There is, and we have to be honest about it. It's just that black people are are no, no. Let me ask a question. The average music that a black person in Compton is listening to, is it about contemplating the good, the true, and the beautiful, or is it about being a gangbanger and trying to get as much money and sleep with as many girls as you can? I would actually like to think that's a. I would be offended by that. Do you think the average black kid in Compton is listening to Beethoven or some sort of gangster rap music that glorifies gangster culture? Silly question. Rap wasn't created to glorify gangster culture. So even though there is rap, I'm sure you're not answering. You're dodging the question because. Okay. I'm sure they're listening to rap. Okay. So you think rap music makes them. Do you think the cultural expectation in Black America is that you stay with the woman that you impregnate? Um, within black communities, I can't speak on that. Okay. The answer is no. It's not expected. Okay. And do you think that, hold on, in white Anglo-Saxon Protestant communities, it's a fact. Hold on. In upper middle class white communities, upper middle class. Say that part louder. Yeah. Upper middle class white Anglo-Saxon Protestant communities, if you impregnate a woman, you are looked down upon, and we do not think highly of you if you abandon the woman that you impregnate. That's a cultural difference. Has nothing to do with money. Has nothing to do with anything except norms. And the norms that have infected Black America are destroying it from within. We need more fathers, not less. We need more dads around and less Drag Queen Story Hour. We need more, we need more young blacks to to be able to look up to role models that are are not leaving all the time and are not just saying, hey, I'm pregnant her, so be it. It, it's a toxin. And if we don't address that as the root cause, oh, it's white supremacy. It's injustice. It's economics. We're dancing around the core of the issue.
I guess what I'm saying is, right, and you've perfectly actually laid out the dichotomy here. Um, it is a fact, obviously, that black people disproportionately commit crime in this country. No one's arguing that. But you either believe that that is due to a complex intersection of social, economic, and like leftover effects from previous inequalities, or you believe that that is an inherent trait to the race. No, I don't. Because they weren't that way in the 1940s and 50s. Black America was one of the most peaceful, flourishing, fastest growing, economically communities in the country. It's not genetic. You're trying to point something on me that I don't believe. Instead, blacker. Believe that it's not genetic. So you do think CRT is correct? Hold on a second. In the 19, in the 1940s and 1950s, Black America was prosperous and was on pace to be richer and wealthier than white America. More dads were staying with the women that they were with. There was monogamy. What changed? Supporting my argument. No, hold on. But what, answer the question, what changed? Did America get more racist since 1950? 19. Were more racist policies passed? There were more policies dedicated to and pushing them into poor housing and poor schools. Wait a second. In the 1950s, Jackie Robinson had not even broken the color barrier. We had Jim Crow laws. We hadn't passed the Civil Rights Act, and we hadn't passed the Voting Rights Act yet. Blacks were better in the 1950s per capita than they are today. So we have become less racist. We've passed more anti-racist laws and given more stuff, and blacks are worse than they were 70 years ago. Why?
So you're equating here institutional and social racism. Social racism was certainly worse in the 1950s, I'm sure everyone would agree. But institutional racism occurs when policies are passed against people. Come on. Which can increase over time. You're not being intellectually honest. You know that there was black-only drinking fountains in the 1950s. We don't have those anymore. Well, we're bringing them back with, you know, black-only dormitories. But we, we had, we, we had, we had, for example, in the, in the antebellum South, in the 1950s, we had white-only communities, white by law. We got rid of that with the Civil Rights Act. But it didn't, unfortunately, we look around, the numbers speak for themselves. Black youth are less likely to have fathers, they're not doing as well as far as economically, they commit more crimes. So something changed. And our argument is what changed is three things. Number one, the imposition of the Great Society project by Lyndon Baines Johnson of spending $30 trillion since the 1960s on section 8 housing, on welfare, on, you know, all where, as I said, that young black women married the government and they divorced young black men. And then we also have had the, as Thomas Soul and as Clarence Thomas would say, the soft bigotry of low expectations. And we have been afraid to get to the root of the issue or even speak about it because we don't be called racist.
So who, what is imposing those low expectations? Is it, part of it is like white academic culture? I'll give you an example. I'm not saying you believe this, but Merrick Garland, the Attorney General of the United States, has come out and said having an ID to vote is racist. That is code for saying black people are too dumb to get a voter ID. You're doing it again. You're you're simplifying a very nuanced complex argument from the real people who are making it. Is voter ID racist? Obviously not, Charlie. Okay. All right. You want to know where the argument comes from? I can eloquently tell you. Eloquently tell me why voter ID is is racist. Or whatever. Certain policies in southern states were proposed that would, like, I think the quote from the, um, uh, person who decided the case was, with surgical precision, target the times where black people were voting and make it like illegal or harder for them to get that, uh, to come at that time. And then they were targeting the type of ID that black voters had and making that specific type of ID illegal. That is racist. Perfectly fair. How does that impact today? Saying that every citizen, if you, you need an ID to vote. Just that aside, why is that R? Why is it racist? Because we have to have, you know, obviously humans are making those decisions. And so if there is, is still institutional racism and people in power that are racist, we can't trust those institutions to make those decisions. Institutional racism. Do we have in this country right now? What you just named it. What? 13.50. Well, I mean, affirmative action needs to happen because there is not that many minorities in these higher education or higher education institutions. Okay. So you're, you're, you're being clear, which is then you lower standards. No, that affirmative action always does. Affirmative action lower standards by definition. There's. I'm saying why affirmative action was introduced. I'm not arguing for it. Were you asking me why it was introduced? Or no, I'm saying you agree that's why it was introduced. I agree why it was. I don't think it ever should have been, but yes. Mean, but there is institutional inequality. Yes. Well, I wouldn't even use the word inequality. I mean, I don't love looking at it that way, but of course, white people generally are richer than black people in this country. Richer and more represented in politics and schools. Yes. Somewhat. Yes. And why do you think that is, Charlie? Well, hold on a second. Let's, let's ask the question here. Represented how? So I mean, look at Congress. So hold on a second. Are white people represented fairly in the National Basketball Association? Who cares what political power thought? Fair representation. Listen, I think that it should by law, half of the NBA should be white. Great. Fine. And the product would suck. Lobby for it because blacks are much better at basketball than we whites are. What political power does the NBA have? A lot, actually. The NBA reaches millions of people every day. They have slogans that people internalize. In fact, if the NBA had no political power, why would they have to wear Black Lives Matter on all their jerseys? Why would they tell, why would politicians try to get their endorsements all the time? The NBA is more powerful than Congress in some ways. Of sh. It's your turn to be academically dishonest. Hold on a second. No, no, but if you want fair representation, just to be clear, then why would you not be against whites by law being half of the National Basketball Association? Right now, black people make up 88% of the NBA. Do it. Great. Who cares? I don't care. I'm saying. So here's my point. If we have, I have a shot. Everybody please listen. If we, I could play for the Lakers. I hope. Do it. Charlie. I'll come to your games. I'll do it. The point is this, is that merit should triumph over all of it, which is awesome. Okay. So merit should triumph. We agree. Okay. Okay. Charlie, do you think black people are not as smart or competent as white people? Perfect. So they should, in theory, then be equally represented in positions. Let me. So have you ever read Discrimination and Disparities by Thomas Soul? Do you only read Thomas Soul? You've quoted him like three times. I haven't read that. No, I read a lot more than Thomas Soul, but I'm happy to. Thomas Soul is the only intellectual with the courage to go after like these core issues of why Black America has fallen behind and why no one actually has studied it. So let's just give a great example. When you don't have a father in the home, the amount of words that a child hears goes down by 60 to 70%. The amount of of words that a child. I don't know if you're a mother or not, or or plan to be. Okay. No, just. It's, it's an important point. The amount of words that an 18-month-old hears is highly predictive of IQ, verbal development. Okay. So that's simple. When you don't have a dad in the home, the mom is overwhelmed, and there's just less interaction with the child. That's all fine. Okay. So you, we agree. I'm just saying that is that's not because of racism. That's true. Obvious. That's good. No, she, she's. I know what you meant. But you have a father in the home, all of a sudden they hear thousands of more words a day, and they're, they're already, they're like way further ahead of a single motherhood. A single mother raising a child. That, that's not racism. Okay. So dads are good. Yes. Great. What my question. I'm saying dads actually answer most of the the questions that you might have about why Black America is falling behind. Okay. But because their dads don't stay around. And that's I'm trying to sort of get to you to reconcile your own beliefs. And if that's true, which is fine, that's true, we can say that's true. Um, you either believe that that has social and economic causes, or you believe that, oh, Black Culture is just worse, and there isn't another thing to think. No, I, I was very clear right now. Black Culture is being held captive by influences. Songs which influen. I mean, Nicki Minaj, Cardi B. Okay. Nicki Minaj is causing dads to leave the home. Hold on. I don't think that's a good role model for 18-year-old black girls. I don't. I don't think that songs that are talking about like glorifying wet female genitalia is exactly. I don't know which one wrote that song. Which one was it? I think it was Ben Shapiro. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. But is, is, and, but by the way, the role models of the 1940s and 50s for Black America were completely different. So it is a representation issue. Hold on a second. No, not representation. It's who do you get your art from? It's what values are they putting forward? It's the question of every day. For example, more times than not, black politicians will lament the condition of America. It's systemically racist. It's terrible. What does that do to a 14-year-old black kid? If you just find that you hear that everything is rigged against you? Instead, they should be saying, hey, there might be some barriers, but if you believe in yourself enough, you can achieve in this country. It creates a, a form of social conditioning of low expectations. And that's not my argument. You know whose argument that is? Barack Obama's. Um, I don't necessarily either. Barack Obama said, number one, we need more fathers in the home. This is when Barack Obama, a liberal. I don't care what he's got to say. Okay. But Barack Obama then secondly, he said that we can't keep telling our black youth that you can't succeed in this country. Anybody can succeed in this country. And Obama was right when he said that. Obama was correct when he said that we need to change the story we're telling Black America. Which is fine. I've never heard any teacher look at a black person and say, oh, you can't succeed because of racism. Hold on a second. But what is the embedded message of all the propaganda saying it's systemically racist? You're going to run into racist employers, that they're going to discriminate against you. It, it creates this heaviness of why even try? By the time college students get to college, they've experienced all that. They don't need to be told. You think that the aver. I'm C. I'll be curious. You think that that the average black student at this university experiences like active daily racism? Um, I be C. Cuian ask. I know. I, I don't know. Maybe it's true. Maybe it's maybe it's as bad as it was in the antebellum South. So I'm not saying that. Obviously, I did say social racism improved. I'm saying institutional racism is still present, and that's what's causing lower outcomes for minority communities. Do, do, do you think the reason why only 20 to 25%? It depends. We don't know the number. It's just a range per year. So one and four of black youth have a stable father around. What would you just say is the big? Why is that the why is that the reason? A complex intersection of social and economic reasons, which are outlined in CRT. Thank you for the dialogue. Thank you. Okay. Come.