The Covenants of Witchcraft & Earth ("Mother Earth", dominion, & Destiny) w/Francis Myles

He said, "Pick the soil of Zambia and speak to the earth." My theology would have killed me because my theology would have given me the instinct to say, "I am not going to do this." It felt like if somebody took a shovel and they were digging moist dirt and somebody starts to throw the dirt on your feet, I would hear the voice of the Holy Spirit. And he spoke in a gentle but authoritative voice. He said, "Francis, if you get on the plane, you die. The biggest mistake you can make is worship the earth. She's were never meant to be a god. She was meant to be your servant. Mother, real prophet from God. Tells me what you are involved in is a high-level attack of witchcraft. A covenant of witches have said to themselves, you are not going to leave Zambia alive. You die there. But the Lord is telling me he's going to pull you through. I'm about to explode. I have so many things that are connecting right now. He said, "My children are expecting me to make policy, but I can't because I've interfered the dominion of the product to you. If you don't speak to her, I can't speak to her for you." He said, "Put back the dirt and watch if she's heard you." So, I took the earth. I threw it back in the flower bed. What happened next? I'll never forget it. Everyone wants to get to the high places. But if you want to go high, you first have to go deep.

What's up? Welcome back to the deep end. How are sir? Great. You want to know why I'm doing great? Real quick. Yes. I get to sit right next to my wife this entire interview. She's right to my right right now. People can't see it, but I'm so happy right now. I can tell. Yeah, it's great. I wonder why. Guys, we have a a special treat for you today. And I don't I don't say this lightly, but I just am going to let you guys know putting you on notice is going to be a deep one. We're go straight into the deep ends and we're going to stay there for a long time. Uh we have Dr. Francis Miles in town who is known as a revelator. He's gifted to unpack the word. He We had dinner with you and your wife last night and um just like having dinner, I was like, I have to go write this down. Um I think at one point we had we had to kind of figure out how to not cry and eat at the same time. That is a true story. Um and he's an international speaker. He's a best-selling author. He has a a foundation called the Order of Melchizedek, which is a supernatural school of ministry. Trained thousands of leaders across the world. Um, you have a semi-truck that turns into a stage. Yeah. Yes, I do. Probably my one of the coolest things I've ever seen.

But I want to tell you something before we get started. Um, about a year ago, I was walking through downtown Nashville and we had I was preparing for an episode we had coming up called the the altar of Baal. And there's not a lot of places you can find information on Baal except for scripture. And so I was walking around downtown Nashville and I was praying through some things and that I wanted to change in my life and I felt the Holy Spirit say um you know repent for something and then speak tell the earth to swallow it up. And um I immediately was like that sounds like witchcraft or something. you know, but I was that's that's the Holy Spirit. I know what he sounds like. And so we went back to our hotel room. And randomly I saw a video from you about speaking to the earth. And so I decided to listen to it and I called my wife and I was like, "Oh my goodness, I found this guy. His name is Francis." And he said, God told him the same thing that God told me. So it's great. I'm not a witch and I need to. And I I sat in my hotel room for about six hours and watched videos of of you and that led us to purchasing some of your books, which we'll talk about in a little bit on the show. Um, but you have an absolutely incredible revelation uh on many things, but specifically around the authority that man has, the dominion that man has as a steward of creation and how the earth remembers. Um, and so first and foremost, I think the best place to get started if you're good with this. Why are you laughing? Cuz I've got there's so many things I know people are thinking cuz I was think I'm I was thinking this when I first heard this of talking to trees. I'm sorry. What? Yeah. Whereas I think I think we should unpack a bit of your story around how you learned this, how the Lord began to teach you this. That's right. Um, and and that's that's where I think we should start. You good with that? Yeah. Let's go for it.

Yeah, um 2015 I was scheduled to I was a speaker at a church in uh North Carolina and while we in worship just about to go I was about to be caught up to go and speak my phone dinged and I that's normally was a sound I put on my phone for text messages. So I just instinctively looked at the text message and it changed my whole life. It was from my young brother Emmanuel and his the text was simple but deeply profound. He said, "My dear brother, um I have to inform you that our dear mother Esther has just transitioned to be with Jesus." And I know what that meant because it was my greatest fear and my mother was my best friend. But living thousands of miles away from Africa, I always carried this fear that I won't be able to say goodbye. The world would love to do it. And so I knew that moment had come and tears just began to pour from my my eyes profusely. Couldn't hold them. The uh host pastor saw it and she came over to me. She said, "What's going on?" I I gave her the the phone. She saw the text. He said, "Oh, my I'm so sorry. My condolences." He said, "Um, what do you want to do? We can extend the worship as much as we need to uh for you to deal with this. Uh, do you want to go use my office?" I said, "No, can I go in the parking lot?" I said, "Yeah." So, I went in the parking lot and I wept. I just I just I mean, I just lost it. But God was so gracious to me. When the Bible says he's the God of all comfort, I found it that day because God did something special for me to give me closure which was the the thing that I traumatized me the most that I would my mother would transition without me saying bye-bye in that one moment whether I was in the body or out of the body I do not know but look like watching a television it is the only time I've ever seen a human being enter the prairie gates you know you talk about the pur gates in the book of revelation I saw them they are magnificent And you know they were so magnificent that literally the only way I can say it is this that their perceived value to me at that point was like you could mortgage the whole of America and not buy those gates. And I said my god is something else. And my mother was covered by this brilliant white light that was pulling her in as the gate was opening. She was being like a vortex being brought in. And right before she disappeared behind the prairie gates, the Lord wanting to give me closure. It's like he spoke to her. She turned and looked at me and she gave me the best smile of her life. like I'm like like it's okay, Francis. We I looked at that. She smiled and in that moment I saw what the Bible calls, you know, joy, unspeakable joy and full of glory. I looked at her and in that moment I realized you'd have to be the worst person on the earth to deny anybody that level of joy. And I said I said if anybody deserved it, she did. In that one moment, all the sorrow that was in my heart left me like that. And joy came all over my body. And the last thing I remember telling my mother was, "You go, girl. You deserve it." And at that moment, she was sucked into the light into the purates. And everything disappeared. My tears had dried up. I had from that moment on had zero sorrow. It was so incredible the joy I had. So I went back in the service. I preached my heart out to honor her and then I got on the phone and I called dad. I said, "I know you've lost your wife and I've lost my mother. I'm going to take care of all the expenses. I'm coming." So I got on a flight and I went to Zambia to put my mother's body to rest. It was glorious. I never shed one tear. I couldn't. The joy that was in my heart of where she was and the certainty, there was no need for that, you know.

So, we we put our body to rest on a Thursday. When I was coming back from uh the the cemetery, I got a phone call from a white brother friend of mine. He's a graduate of Christ for the Nations and uh he planted a massive church in Zimbabwe. Tom Duchelle. So he calls me and he says, "Hey, all of Celebration Church is praying for you. We've heard what have happened. Our condolences." I said, "Man, I have zero zero sorrow on." I told him what I said, "Wow." I said, "Um, so I'm good." He said, "Well, if you are good enough emotionally, we have 5,000 delegates that are coming here next week for our our action conference. Would you be one of our keynote speakers?" I said, "Oh, I I would love to. this uh I said okay. So I booked my ticket to fly to Zimbabwe on a Monday. The weekend went spotless. Uh on a Monday I prepared for my journey not knowing that this day would change my whole life even more than the death of my own mother. You know, you know, I kind of look at the revelation of speaking to the earth as my mother's last gift to me cuz it came around that. So on a Monday, I called a friend who used to be my prayer partner when I was in Zambia. We prayed together a lot. Go in the mountains, fast and pray for hours. So I told him, "Hey, we haven't fellowship for a while since you're here and I'm in America. Why don't you be the one to drive me so we can kind of catch up?" So he came and picked me up and it was a 40 45 minutes ride to the airport where from where I was. So we're driving to the uh to the airport in about 20 minutes there. I knew something strange was happening to me. We sitting in the car. It felt like if somebody took a shovel and they were digging moist dirt, you know, and they then they your feet are exposed and somebody starts to throw the dirt on your feet, you know, that feeling and the coarseness of dirt, you know, that somebody's pouring dirt on my on on my feet started happening to me in the car. So at first I thought, man, this is strange. So I thought maybe so I began to shake my feet. What is driving? Thinking I'm going to shake it off. You know natur your n you I know it was spiritual but my response was natural instinct instinct kicked in. I just if I just do this it's going to fall off. No it did not. And then he drove some more. More dirt was poured on my body and the dirt. Now when it got to my knees my feet were completely heavy from my knees uh uh um from my knees to my feet. My whole body was becoming numb and heavy. So I said, I said, "Brother, I'm going to tell you something very strange. We need to pray." I said, "What? What's going on?" I told him, I said, "I feel like somebody is trying to bury me alive." That's the only way I can describe it. I told him what was happening. I said, "We need to pray." So we turned the whole last 20 minutes into prayer. Was spirit. We prayed, but the more we prayed, more dirt was poured on me. By the time we got to the to the airport, the sensation that my body was being buried alive in dirt had reached to my loins. And my energy uh by the time I was getting out of the car, I the only way I could describe it, it was like I I had the energy of an unhealthy 90-year-old man. I mean unhealthy 90-y old man. I could hardly pick up my briefcase. My friend said, they said, "Man, are you sure you need to go?" So in my in my thinking, my my spiritual mindset now is kicked in. I'm thinking, "Well, man, this must be territorial spirits related to Zambia. If actually if I can just get on a plane fly into Zimbabwe, I'm thinking maybe these demons don't have a visa to cross over. They'll let me alone and just just it will break. So I became more determined to get out of Zambia. So I was the they took me through the security, the immigration and everything else because I was the last one to get on the plane cuz I was walking so slow. They assigned a security man at the airport to take me to the plane. I was walking so slow and every breath was labored. So, um, he says to me, "Sir, I don't know you, but the way you look to me, you look like a man who doesn't need to get on a plane." I just said, "No, I got to go cuz I'm determined because I'm locked into these are territorial spirits and I got to get out of the territory and I'll be free." So when we finally got to where I could see the plane, uh there were there was a stewardess waving for me, waving at me so I could get in the plane and the plane could go. As she's waving, this is to be the first time in the whole ordeal I would hear the voice of the Holy Spirit. And he spoke in a gentle but authoritative voice. He said, "Francis, if you get on the plane, you'll die." Just that and immediately I had a vision of myself slumped over dead on the plane. And I stopped and he said to me, "A power has come over your body that must be broken in this nation before you can get on any plane." So I turned to the security man. I said, "Please tell them to get my stuff off the plane. I'm not going." And I'm wobbly and so he holds me. I said, "And you better call for an ambulance." And so he's now doing all of that. The ambulance comes and for the first time in my life, I'm thrown on a on a gurney, put me on and they put me in the emergency um ambulance and they rush me to the clinic that was at the international airport. And uh they get me into the clinic, they put me on a bed. I mean, I am just breathing heavily. M I've never uh come that close to where where I could literally taste death was in the room with me. The angel of death was definitely there and the the herd nurse began took my vitals and her eyes bulged. She said, "Oh my god." I said, "What's going?" She's shaking. She says, "Your numbers. These are coma numbers. I've never talked to anybody with these numbers who's not already in a coma. Wow. I don't understand why you're not in a coma." So, she panics and I could see in her eyes she thinks this boy is going to die on this in on in front of me, you know, and I'm not equipped to handle this. How old are you at this point, by the way? I am uh um I am 44. 44. Yes. Wow. And um so she she starts injecting things in my body, strong drugs to try to bring my vitals down. And while she's doing this, the Holy Spirit speaks a second time. He said, "Francis, let her do what she needs to do in the natural, but don't focus on it. Your battle is spiritual, but if you trust me, by tomorrow this time, I'll get you out of this." And at that moment I asked for my phone and my phone and I called my brother who had brought me in. He was still on the parking lot of the of the air of the airport. I said, "I'm in the clinic. I'm not on the plane. You got to come." So he came and he was praying doing d doing the whole time. After 3 hours of frantically trying to bring my vitals down, she gave up. She only brought them a little bit. She said to my friend, "Chip, if we keep this guy, he's going to die. I'm not equipped to deal with this. This guy needs to be in a medical facility with better equipment than this." So I was rushed to a hospital called St. John's Medical Center in in the city of Lusaka. When I got there, my friend had already warned my family. Now my family is in panic mode. They already at the hospital waiting for me to arrive. They're in they are in panic mode because as you know Africa is known for high-level witchcraft and things like that. So everybody's panicking. We have just buried the mother. We can bury the firstborn son a couple of days after. And I told them, "Please do not tell my dad. He's still mourning." Said, "No, no, please do not tell my dad." I I mean, I had enough energy to tell them that. I said, "He's going to lose it. He's still mourning his wife." You know, and so I got when I when we got to that hospital, there was a female nurse was on duty. She checked my vitals, her eyes bulged, and I got used to it. She began to back orders. This man needs to be in in his own room. And then they got me all piped up with different things to try to I want to observe him. This is what you know. So they get me into this room, but the sensation of being buried by the dirt is is growing now. It's half through my belly and whatever. And here it was just like dead weight. M life was this side and uh instinctively I knew that if this dirt uh this sensation of being buried in dirt gets to my nose, I'll suffocate. That would be the point of my death. So I'm running out of time. So um my family elected to have one of my brothers, Steven, who's now a worship leader in my church in Zambia. He was a is the only musician in our family and worship leader. For whatever reason, he was chosen to be the one to stay with me because the drugs they were giving me required me to go and urinate to lower down everything, whatever they were doing. But within the same uh hospital room, there was a a restroom, but getting from the bed to the restroom was like running a marathon. I would be spent coming back. the energy was just not there. So he would hold me. I would, you know, take me to a restaurant back. Around midnight, my wife calls cuz now they have told her, "Your husband is in trouble. She never came with me on that particular trip." And she had on the phone a prophet friend of mine from California. Now, real prophet, not this prophet's man, real prophet from God. And he tells me, he says, Francis, the word of the Lord comes to me and the Lord is saying this, what you are involved in is a high-level attack of witchcraft. He says, I'm seeing the spirit and the Lord is showing me a coven of witches who have said to themselves, they have covenanted, you are not going to leave Zambia alive. You will die there. But the Lord is telling me, he's going to pull you through. And then he said to me, so that you know the Lord is speaking. He has given me the identity of one of the witches and she was at your mother's funeral. And then he begins by the word of knowledge to describe her face, her clothing on the day of the funeral. Interesting enough, my brother, I remembered her clearly. And the reason I remembered her is because she was putting up a storm in terms of crying. M. So, I thought living in America and having not been in Africa for quite a long time, I'm thinking this could be one of my mother's best friends who's just lost a best friend and she's losing it. Mhm. Well, she happened to be one of the witches who was trying to have me killed. And I said, "Oh my god, I remember her." He said, "Well, she's one she's in a covenant of witches who have said, "You're going to die." So, we prayed. And uh as we prayed, I felt that this lifting of this blanket of death a little bit. You know, by the time they got off the phone, I turned to my brother Steven, which is now going towards 1:00 in the morning. I said, "Stephen, we're going to have to use every spiritual weapon we have in our arsenal to fight this." And I know that I remember a story in the Bible in Acts uh I believe it's Acts 16 where Paul and Silas are in a in a in a in a prison. They began to worship God. And so I know I do know that maybe that's why you are here today. You know, I don't care who we wake up in the hospital, you sing as loudly as you can. I'll join you with the little strength I have. We're going to worship. We're going to praise and worship the Lord. We praise and worship God for about an hour. Towards the end of that 1 hour, the voice of the Holy Spirit spoke and he said to me, "Francis, it is time." I said, "Lord, time for what? For me to deliver you like I said, but I'm going to reveal to you the mystery of how they're trying to kill you and reverse it. Tell your brother to take you outside into the hospital yard and I'll give you more further instructions. I said, Stephen, the Holy Spirit wants you to take me outside into the hospital yard. I don't know what you're going to do there, but he tell he's telling me it is time for my deliverance. I just said it by faith. So, really? So, he he picked me up towards 2:00 a.m. in the morning. Now, we are leaving the hospital room. I'm in my hospital gown. I can hardly walk, man. I look comical as fast as possible. You can look in those hospital gowns that don't cover your your front but don't cover your back. I tell people I said I think hospital have the same tailor would never finish tilling school. They don't know how to finish the back, you know. So, I'm holding my gown at the back cuz I'm kind of exposed there. And then my other hand is around my brother and he's dragging me into the hospital yard, you know, and uh as I'm in the hospital yard, um the it was a half moon and because of the spotlights of the of the hospital, there was enough visibility. And then I said, "Holy Spirit, I'm in the hospital yard." And he said to me, "Go tell your brother now to take you to the flower bed." There was a flower bed nearby. Says, "Walk to the flower bed." And so we walked to the flower bed, you know. And then when you get to the flower bed, I said, "Holy Spirit, I'm at the flower bed." He said, "Pick the dirt. pick the soil of Zambia and speak to the earth because she has been taught. Now you must understand I'm a theologian by degree and I'm very so as much as I love prophetic experiences I'm very word based so if I unless I can constrain my revelations within scripture I tend not to share them publicly. Mhm. Right. You know, because especially coming out of Africa, I've seen so many weird supernatural stuff that have no basis in scripture and they make people go crazy and misrepresent the character of God. Mhm. But that day I discovered something about the voice of the Lord. I discovered I discovered in that moment that the voice of the Lord is his own doctrine. Actually later on what I did a study on the voice of the Lord and I found out there's a lot of scripture that talk about the the voice of the Lord. And I discovered that day that the voice of the Lord can take you to where your theology hasn't been yet. But when your theology expands, you find out that the voice of the Lord did not violate scripture. That's where I was. Mhm. My theology had come to an end. Mhm. Because picking the dirt, let alone speaking to it in Africa. I'm thinking it's witchcraft. And the Lord said to me, pick up the earth. And then the Lord begins to speak about the earth as a living being, as a living thing. That's was also shocking to me. He was saying she has been told. I'm thinking, why is God calling the earth a she? I mean, that's weird. Oh boy. He says, "She has been told to swallow your body in premature death." Wow. Until you tell her who you are in the kingdom, and what I have called, I've got for you to do and tell her that your assignment on the earth is not finished. And she has no right to take you. She will kill you tonight. And I'm hearing this, but it's so clear. So, I picked up the earth in my hand. My brother's looking at me like, "Should I call somebody?" Because if it's weird to him, too. Yeah. You know, I pick up the earth and immediately the strongest prophetic anointing I've ever felt in my life, you know, came upon me. And out of my spirit came these words. Oh earth, O earth, O earth, hear the word of the Lord. I had no idea that was an exact quote from the book of Jeremiah. I never read it. Jeremiah 22:29. Oh earth, O earth, O earth, hear the word of the Lord. I'm Francis Miles, an apostle to the United States of America. This is what the Lord has called me to do. You know, the Lord has promised me long life. I'm not done with my assignment. So you have no legal, you have no right to take my body, to take my life, you know, in premature death. So whatever they have, whatever the witches told you to do to me, I now cancel it because I'm the redeemed of the Lord. And I say so. And in that moment as I'm prophesying to the earth, the Holy Spirit said to me, Francis, she has heard you. I'm thinking she has heard me. He said, "Yes, she has heard you. Put back the dirt and watch if she's heard you." So, I took the earth, I threw it on the back in the flower bed. What happened next, I'll never forget it. Outside of my giving my life to Jesus, it was that impactful. As soon as I put back the dirt, all that all that dirt that sense of being covered by dirt that I now reached up to my chest fell to the ground with a thud that I had all that I mean I mean I felt like I'd been cut on a thousand tons. You know how it would feel if you're cutting on a thousand tons and you have to let go of the weight. the the release of that the relief of that is what I felt. And then from the toes from my toes, the Zoey life of Jesus began to percolate from my toes going up. I could feel like electric energy surging through my body all the way. By the time it got to my to the top of my to the top of my head, I had supernatural energy. I now understand how Elijah was able to outrun the chariots of Ahab. Wow. I had I had I was so unaware of the level of energy I tapped into. But everything was gone. I was super fantastic. I turned to my brother. I said, "I'm delivered. Let's go back in the hospital room." So, I started walking. I had no idea that I was walking so fast. When I got to the hospital room, God is my witness. It took my healthy brother two minutes to arrive. You're going. He said, "What was that? You are moving like a bullet." I said, "Yeah, I'm delivered." You know, and now the theological uh underpinnings of my whole life took over. I said, "Stephen, go to sleep. I don't need you. I'm say I'm I'm completely fine. By the time it's in the it's 8:00 a.m. I'm out of here. But me and the Lord need to talk. So I I lay on my bed and I said, "Lord, we need to talk." And the Lord said to me, "Yes, I know we need to talk." You know, and I said to him, I remember my question to him was, "What was that?" And he said and this was his exact response to me. He says that is the nuclear arsenal nuclear arsenal of the kingdom of God that my people are not using in the battle of dominion and that's why you are failing to lower powers. He said to me, he he he said to me, "What just happened to you when you understand it? You'll never be afraid of witchcraft again in your life." And uh he said to me, "I'll give you now the doctrine behind what you did." And he my book on I speak to the earth was written in one night. Now remember, I'm coming from zero. I'm coming from talking to the earth is witchcraft because growing up we did see witches do that. Mhm. Mhm. So that's why already to me it was already categorized witchcraft. So now God begins to talk to me. He says Francis what you did out there I was the first being to actually speak to dirt to speak to the earth. And then he took me to the book of Genesis. Genesis 1:1. And God said, "Let the earth." And he said to me, "Do you see that? Who is speaking in the verse?" I says, "You're speaking, but what am I speaking to?" I says, "You are speaking to the earth." He said, "Uh-huh." And what did I tell her? Bring forth grass, bring forth heads, and bring forth trees. And then the Bible says in verse 12, God is no longer speaking. The earth is responding. And she gave God uh grass, hib and seed. And the Lord said to me, and then the Lord and God said, and and then it says, and God said to and God saw that it was good. He said, do you know what that means when I say that verse that I said it was good? He said to me, "I was certifying the product." Says, "Because I knew I was going to surrender it to my son Adam when he was created." Says, "No manufacturer ever releases a phone or a product out of for massive distribution that has not been tested." I was testing the product to know that it was going to obey the protocols of design. So when it surrendered to man, it worked for him the way it worked for me. Wow. And then he said to me, uh, so he said, let's go back to verse 11. And God said, he said, why would I speak to a creature I did not give the ability to hear the voice of a speaking spirit. So the first thing you must understand about the earth. Number one, she's alive. And the reason she's alive is what she was founded on the blood of Jesus. Revelation 13:8 from the lamb's slain before the foundation of the earth or before the foundation of the world. He said to me the the earth was laid on the foundation of the blood of Jesus. She's not dead. You cannot treat her as if she's an inanimate object. She's one of the first living creatures I designed. And she has the ability to hear the voice of a speaking spirit. I made you in my image. So what are you? You are a speaking spirit in a dead body. And then he said to me, look at the next thing. Let the earth bring forth. He says, right? It says sake of those words bring forth. He says that's the design of the earth. The earth's primary job besides being a a residency. You use as a residency, a place to live. But you're not using her highest purpose. It is to while you are living on the earth, she's supposed to bring forth resources that support destiny. Let the earth bring forth. Then he says, "Grass, he and uh trees." And then he said to me, I he said to me, "Have you noticed something there?" He said to me, he said to me, first he asked me, he said, "Francis, uh, if the um, if the earth uh, has the ability to hear the voice of a speaking spirit, what is the evidence of hearing?" Now, I'm thinking, "Well, what's evidence of hearing?" I said, "Hearing?" He said, "No, the evidence of hearing is accurate response. If the thing does exactly what you ask for, then it can hear." What did I tell the earth? bring forth grass, bring forth he and bring forth trees. He says, "Notice when she responded, she gave me everything I asked for in it exact order." So when you speak to the earth, you cannot be ambiguous. You have to be certain what you wanted to bring forth in in relation to destiny, you know. And then he said to me, do you also notice something else in the text? I said, what is it? That the earth is voice activated. You can't pray over it. You speak to it. So that's why you are losing in the battle of dominion because you don't speak to the earth. But witches are speaking to it like they spoke to it to swallow your body in premature death. And boy was she not doing it. Mhm. I said yes she was doing it. And he said and the only time she released you is when you spoke to her just like they did. Yeah. I said yes. And then he said to me, "But do you see something else in the text?" I said, "What's that?" He says, "What I asked for?" The products I asked for are different. I asked for grass. It's different. I asked for he different from grass. I asked for trees. What does that mean? He says, "The earth is m is multi-dimensional." He said to me, "She's capable of producing products that don't look like it, but when they die, they go back to her. He said to me, for instance, your body doesn't look like dirt, but your body is 100% dirt. That's why the Bible says to dust, from dust you are taken, to dust you shall return. That's not God talking about your spirit. Is God talking about your body? Cuz the earth provided your body. So there's a partnership between spirit life and the earth. And if you mismanage this the earth part of it, you are going to be missing articles of destiny. That's why there's so much lack in the body of Christ because you're only speaking to spirit and you ignoring the earth element of how I designed this this planet to work. You know said that's the mistake the the church is making in the battle of dominion and you are losing to lower powers. And and he said to me, "The reason I allowed you to come to that extent to where you almost died, I wanted you to feel the power of the product. They used it on you because you did not know you could speak to it." But that's going to change. And I'm going to use you to change the conversation around the around the earth and the dominion I gave you. Now you're understanding what I meant when I gave you dominion. This is exactly what I meant. I transferred the ability to speak to the earth to man on Genesis 21 Genesis 1:26 there was a transfer of administration just like in a government when there's a change in government from the Trump administration from the Biden administration to the Trump administration it means therefore that they they therefore that the Biden administration can make policy during the Trump administration he said my children are expecting me to make policy that I can't because I have integrity. I transferred the dominion of the product to you. If you don't speak to her, I can't speak to her for you. He said to me, Francis, had you not spoken to the earth today, you'd have joined your mother prematurely, not not my will, but because you did not know what you should know about scripture. I mean, it was it was completely life-changing, you know. And then he he said to me, uh, let's go further, you know, I'm going to show you more things about this product called the earth. You know, I'm just like I mean, man, I was like, wa, this is something, you know. Um, he said he took me to um he says you outside you are very you are theologically you are disturbed because I kept calling the earth a she. Now, let me give you a scripture why she's a she. And so, it took me to Genesis chapter 4. When when Cain has just killed his brother Abel over the over the uh uh uh the fact that the when they raised altars, God accepted the sacrifice of Abel and did not accept the sacrifice of Cain. So, Cain was very upset about it and jealous of his brother. So he took him in the field and he killed him. And so God comes to judge him. So let basically the courts of heaven descend. They come to the earth. And God begins to try him on the earth. Where is your brother? And he says, "I do not know. What have you done?" You know, because I hear the ground and your brother's your brother's blood have conjoined. There's a cry from the ground. Your brother's blood is crying to me for v for for for uh for justice. You know, and then in that conversation that God is having, he says he talk he says to Abel that uh he he says to Abel that the you are cursed from the you are uh you are cursed from the earth that has re you are cursed from the earth that has drunk your brother's blood and God calls the earth aar you know and he said to me you can see I'm calling the earth a feminine because I designer I designed the earth on feminine technology. I said, "Do you want to know why?" I said, "Lord, I want to know why." He says, "Because the earth is a she." Because she's the first creature I gave the gift of womb to. He said, "Anything with womb has the divine intelligence to know what to do with seed. Says when a woman gets pregnant, the husband doesn't have to monitor the growth of the baby because there's divine intelligence in the womb that knows when to grow the hand, when to grow the other parts and in the when the baby is ready for release into the earth. The womb knows when to break the water. So there is divine intelligence built in the womb. Oh, by the way, this as a as a side note, the Lord said to me, you know, you guys are h are are overwhelmed by the arrival of AI, artificial intelligence. He says to me, he said to me, do you know what's higher than AI? Said, what's that? He says, DI. He says, the earth does not have artificial intelligence. She has divine intelligence. And so she's operating at a level way higher than AI. So you know what the implications of that are. He said to me, then he said to me, he said to me, Francis, um uh he said to me, Francis, uh you need to know that um uh let me catch my can eat that butter. If you want, we can take a I'm monitoring him cuz he's never heard you before and he's probably just brain. I hope your Is your brain good? I'm good. I'm about to explode. I just want to I have so many things that are connecting right now. We have to pause for questions for just a minute. Okay, you got to you got to let me Okay, you can go first. Okay, I have I have two Okay, first of all, thank you. I've been exploding for the past 40 minutes just like my brain's blowing up. I'm like, "Thank God for you, dude." Cuz man, we need to read our Bible. Just get to it, man. What do you got? Okay. Okay. Two things. So, before you ever came to town, Taylor was like, "Hey, Francis is the guy that speaks to trees." And I'm like, "Dude, what?" I'm like, "I haven't even looked at it. I don't know what this means." And then I think this was this is about exactly two weeks ago. I happened to check TikTok and I saw a post and I sent this to Taylor and it said the caption and it said in witchcraft what made you realize that it was real and I was I just looked at the comments and comment after I mean like hundreds of people and I don't know if for those who aren't super familiar with TikTok there's a one of the biggest parts of TikTok right now is witch talk and people literally testing it saying here's a spell I'm doing here's what happened like they're they're just proving it over and over and over and for some reason it's easier for us to believe the demonic than God's side of the story. But um I just want to read some comments real quick that blew my mind that I hadn't even known really who you are, what you did, but these comments were insane to me that this was also on the witchcraft side. And the question is, what made you believe witchcraft was re was real? What made you actually realize it was real? Yes. Got it. Um I'm just going to read a couple of these and then I'll I'll move on to the second point. Here are some of the comments. Talk to everything that's alive. A garlic. Talk to it. Tell them how you need to be protected, hun. Watch the world burn around you. Um, look, this this these are just real comments, okay? My racist neighbor fought with me about Charlie Kirk. Well, I told the trees and now they're making panic Facebook posts about their well. My well's just fine. Um, this person says, "They told me I was having an atopic pregnancy. I was so upset. I talked to a tree in my yard and now everything's perfectly healthy and the baby's going to be here in March." Um, this person said, "I just went outside, told the trees who hurt me. that person was arrested two days later. Um, another one that's a little bit of an aside is a throwback to another old episode that we did. Uh, they realized witchcraft was real when they met someone who knew how to actually use the keys of Solomon, which was referenced in the the fall Solomon episode that we did. Um, and then this person says, "I traveled to Sedona and balanced my chakras, then to Sequoia and spoke to the oldest trees about my fertility issues one year to the date I was pregnant." Um, another person said, "Tell the trees." I also asked my spirit guides to step forward and I named specifically the karma I need now. This year alone I've received five justice events. All these all these things one after another. So I was like okay clearly there's like clearly there's something there. But then when you said the earth is a she it brought and then you brought the revelation to that. There's a couple times I don't know if we've said this on the show but we've had people on the show who have said like no the earth is a being like people who can see it. I don't know if we've ever talked about it, but never. It's never been talked about on the show. So, I was just like, I've heard that. But then when you brought up the fact there was a woman, I start I went to chat and I was like, wait a second. So, this is where the whole idea of mother earth comes from. Yeah. It was stolen. It was literally stolen. When we look at these people and we're like, they're crazy, they're idiots, whatever. Um but actually this comes from uh Gaia that the Greeks saw the earth as Gaia and that they have early um they have all sorts of proof of this even all the way back to like 3000 BC in past. It says the Sumerians worship Ninhursag the earth goddess known as the mother of all living things. Um basically the earth was known is it's it's called the idea is earth equals the womb of creation. And this is in deep mythology. And it was just like, wow. Wow. Like, we have the truth on

It now. We have the truth on this stuff. This is like, no, but this is God's thing. And then once again, it's been stolen, counterfeited, messed with, perverted, whatever you want to call it. Just my goodness.

Did you have a question for Francis? No, I didn't have a question whatsoever. I was just hoping he was going to keep talking, but I was like, "Dude, this connects so many dots for me of things I've heard my entire life or just things I've never really understood, but I've heard and it puts language to it."

Yeah. And you know when you when you say that the the earth mother earth the whole concept of the new age of mother earth during that time when the Lord is unveiling the mystery of creation of the earth he tells me he says I I said uh I know he said to me I know that many I many of my children they attack the new age for calling the earth a mother mother earth And the Lord said to me, I want you to know they are right. He says, their problem though is they don't know she's a servant mother. And so they make the biggest mistake you can make is worship the earth. The earth makes a terrible god because she's was never meant to be a god. She was meant to be your servant mother. Oh my goodness. She's a mother of all living things. Even your body comes from her. But she was meant to be commanded, not worshiped. So when you worship the earth like the new age, you desecrate your who your place in the echos of creation because I made you lord over her. She's waiting for your commands. And that's why those people are speaking to trees. Trees are dirt. You see, when God wanted trees, he spoke to the earth. Let there be trees. And the trees came from the earth. So trees are 100% dirt in it. So a tree is earth in a different form. Mhm. So when they were speaking to the earth, they unlock their own bodies because they were now speaking to it and the earth is voice of voice activated. The this deception of Satan now he's now he locks them in into thinking the earth is a god and they start worshiping the creature more than the creator who's blessed forever more. That is really why this revelation on speaking to the earth is going to even rescue people in the new age, you know, because they're going to realize, oh, uh, there's a Christian who agrees with us, but then they're going to find out that I'm going to bring them all the way back to Jesus and then and restore their proper connection to the Lord.

Um, you know, so something else the Lord said to me, if you don't mind me, I want I would like to read the scripture. Yeah. Uh, from Genesis 4. Let's hit it. And then I want to I want to kick us into the next topic as well. That way we don't get on earth for too long. Yes.

Can I ask a really quick I want to ask a quick question. So one of the things that popped in my mind is you said you're a theologian and there's so many people whether you're a believer or not. Um we're quick to rely on intellect. What we know. We just talked about this actually with Blake Healey is the idea of certainty and we we want everything to be so certain and it's this way and if it's not the way that we believe it then it's definitely wrong. But we would never say that out loud of course but we would act that way. Um, I'm just curious on did anything change in your perspective when it came to realizing like maybe your entire life you were like, "Yeah, it's witchcraft to talk to the earth, but now you do that. It kind of maybe seems crazy to some people, but now it makes sense." Um, how has that changed your approach and your perspective to things that you're not familiar with versus how you used to approach them?

Oh, the greatest change which I think is a desperate change needed in people are theologians. It is that in that whole experience I discovered the doctrine of the voice of the Lord and the Lord spoke to me. He said to me what you have to understand that you are seeing through a dark the but Paul says you are seeing through a a a we are seeing through a glass darkly. We're not seeing everything. That means that uh the most important thing now in my life is knowing the Lord because I've discovered that intimacy with the Lord and with his voice is more important than my theology. Yes. Because that day God showed me the limitations of my theology. My theology would have killed me because my theology would have given me the instinct to say I am not going to do this. This is witchcraft. I would rather die and go to heaven. and I would have done and going to heaven only to discover I was wrong. I was killed by my theology. Wow. So, but because I followed the voice of the Lord, it expanded my theology because the voice of the Lord will never contradict scripture, but it will always it will always transcend my theology. That's been the greatest. It brought humility to my theology. 100%. 100%. Yeah.

Let's hit what let's hit the verse that you wanted to read. Yes. And then I have like 17 more questions for you. Exactly. Okay. So I just want to read this because I just want to bring up a couple points. And the Lord said to Ken, "Where is Abel, thy brother?" And he said, "I know not. Am I my brother's keeper?" And that's Genesis 4 from verse 9. And he said, "What have you done? The voice of your brother's blood cries unto me from the ground. Now thou art cursed from the earth which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from from the from thy hand."

So the couple of things God spoke to me there he said to me Francis the reason I told you that once you understand how to speak to the earth you never be afraid of witchcraft in your life because you can shut it down. Any level of witchcraft can be shut down by anybody who understands how to speak to the earth. I said why? says, "Because the wickedness of all witchcraft is that in order to do witchcraft, you are going to have to use an element of the earth in in the in the craft. Anytime you use an element of the earth, any one of my children who can speak to the earth can shut down the witchcraft. It will it will zero out immediately because it has to borrow an element of the earth in order for the witchcraft to be performed." Secondly, he said to me, "You you you" He says, he says, "You wonder," he said, "you want to wonder why all witchcraft loves blood sacrifices." I said, "Why?" He says, "Because when blood and the earth conjoin, they can summon a spirit being." He says, "The first spirit being to be summoned on the earth to respond to the earth and the blood is me. And I'm the I am the highest spirit you can ever be. I'm God. There's no spirit being higher than me. So if the blood of Abel and the earth could summon me, why are you surprised when the blood of uh the blood these witches are offering on altars and combining with the earth are summoning lower spirits? The mystery is solved. What in the world? Mhm. He said that's why they do it. They do it because they want to summon a spirit guide. But they know to do that you have to you have to have the the earth drink blood. When she drinks blood she join drinks blood a spirit is going to appear. He said to me the when the blood of Abel and the earth conjoined I appeared to deal with the issue. Wow. So why are you surprised when lower spirit disappear? Dang.

Okay. We're gonna have to go ahead put a pause on this. Yes. So can you constrain this for a moment so that we don't have Christian witches? Yes. Yeah. Which would be uh somebody who is listening to this. They love Jesus. They call themselves a Christian. But I think that you would agree that you have to be very careful to not begin just telling the earth to do what you want it to do personally for your own. So, like how do you con constrain this down to submission, supervision? There's got to be an extra ingredient in here. Yes. To to keep it safe.

And I'm glad you asked me that question because the Lord dealt with that. He said to me, he said, "When you are He said to me, he said to me, when you are speaking to the earth, you must be led by the Holy Spirit and you must stay within the confines of scripture." What makes witches witches is they are speaking to the earth outside of the confines of scripture and depending on a different spirit guide. That's what makes it witchcraft. He says Moses spoke to the earth. Remember when Moses commanded the earth to swallow the sons of Kora, he spoke to the earth but it was within the confines of being led by the holy spirit. So for instance, you know, I can't command the earth to swallow a human being because Jesus in redemption redeemed the person. Even which is somebody who's a witch today can be my brother in Christ tomorrow. Mhm. So when I speak to the earth is over issues of destiny. I command the earth to swallow what is coming against me. So God spoke to me. He said you you must be mitigated. how you speak to the earth for a believer is mitigated by scripture and so you don't get out of scripture and the character of God and the scope of redemption has already given us the parameters by which we can speak to the earth with without becoming Christian witches to say what would be the consequences of you speaking to the earth without the influence of the Holy Spirit I'm assuming there would be ramifications to that there'll be ramifications because you'd open up yourself the demonic When you speak to the earth outside of scripture, what I mean by outside of scripture, ask for anything from the earth that are not within the confines of righteousness and that are not related to your destiny. They're not needed, you know. And so that's where that's where the that's where you see one of the things that I I I I don't understand this bread this breed of Christianity the where we God never meant righteousness to be lived without the aid of the supervising spirit. That's why the ambiencece of that is found in Romans 8:14. As many as are led by Holy Spirit, they are the sons of God. Mhm. So I'm a man who loves to be led by the Holy Spirit, you know, and when I speak to the earth, it's it's always within that dynamic and with all within the dynamic of scripture. So I'm mitigated. So uh even when I deal with witchcraft, like for instance, I'll command the the earth to swallow the witchcraft coming against me, but I never command the earth to swallow the witch. Why? Jesus paid the price for the witch. Yeah. And I have brothers in Christ today who are former witches and they love the Lord and they become the most passionate because they already knew the demonic. So when they come to the light, they are the most passionate believers. So I don't know who's appointed unto salvation. So don't stay don't never command the earth to swallow a human being because now you are into witchcraft cuz that's not your job. But you can command the earth to swallow the act so that you can do destiny. That's what keeps us within the framework of of the faith.

How do you how do you define um destiny? How would you define it?

You know, destiny for me is the the unveiling of your divine essence, the reason for being, the reason for why you are here. In the old Jeremiah before I formed you, I knew you and I ordained you to be the unveiling of that fornowledge of God which of unveils over time where you know I was born to do something for the Lord. Okay. There we but you know uh uh we know that every there is a crossover in terms of purpose when it comes to destiny is that our ultimate destiny as every believer is to express uh the image of Christ to conform to the image of Christ you know so within the confines of that there are specific mantles or assignments that will be given to different people you know but there is a general overlap in terms of purpose you know we are here on the earth to uh manifest the will of God. And God went out of his way to write his will in scripture. So we so the guardrails you'd have to be very deliberate as a believer to walk out of it because the guardrails uh the guardrails against going into anything crazy, I mean are so many because scripture is so clear about what is the will of God, what is not the will of God.

When when it comes to the to matters of your destiny, do you ask God for your destiny or do you discover it through your activity? How have you discovered what your destiny is? And how do we discover what ours is?

Yes. You know, that's very very interesting. Um I've discovered my destiny uh through my own uh worrying and inclin every human being has got certain inclinations certain passions that they be uh when you it's when you meet when you have an encounter with the Lord and he begins to speak to you and you awaken first of course you awaken to Christ that's the most important thing once that happens you start I started looking back and I started realizing certain inclinations certain certain certain my inclinations were actually designed to allow me to do what I do now. So I I've discovered my destiny uh because when you are wired to do something and that you are wired to do something and there's a desire to do it. So I tell people that one of the most important things about walking out destiny is the desire to do it. Because when you unlock the desire to do it, the Lord in his mercy will begin to uh he will begin to unroll the scroll of destiny, you know, and it will be in you discover it in the nuances of dealing with other people who are who are farther advanced in their own journey of destiny. you see it in your natural passions and then of course the Lord himself also reveal it to you. So have had uh you know have had the I have had the privilege you know at least in my life of just having several uh encounters with the Lord where there was an unveiling of that destiny you know but part of it I began to discover it as I doing my Bible study certain things will begin to come to light uh within my own within my own worrying you know and there's always people ahead of you who have your same type of destiny it's like somebody who's has a passion to play football, they'll discover certain abilities within them to play football by watching somebody whose destiny in that arena has been has been more unveiled at a higher level. And so there's now so you get pockets of attraction with people that have certain uh giftings because what I found is that uh you know um that God has enough people living at any given time. There is there is enough people that are walking out your type of destiny ahead of you and they become markers in time. you know, of what that would look like, you know, and I said, "Oh my god, he's doing what I was." For instance, when I got when I got born again, I had a dream that was a recurring dream. In this recurring dream, I would be I mean, I I think I was only barely 2 months saved. But the dream, now I'm coming from a Catholic background, so I have no concept of what a crusade looks like, but I would have this dream when I'm speaking to thousands in crowds and people are being healed, and I'm like, "What is this?" Then one day I went to see an uncle of mine and when I was waiting for him that was when that's when the VH VHS was still available. So I hope but you know I'm not marking my own age. VHS VHS and uh he was so his wife said oh while we waiting for your uncle do there's a cat there's a guy called Beni Hinn do you know him? Benn I have never there was no we I had no access to television at you know coming from my the I came from but in because it was not very commonly available at the time in Zambia television in every house it was a luxury so my uncle happened to be one of the rich ones we called the rich ones so he had a television and he had a VH said oh while you were waiting for your uncle why don't you watch this and then all of a sudden I saw the video I'm like whoa that's what's in my dreams I keep seeing that. So this is what I call the unveiling of destiny. There are markers in destiny of people who are ahead of you who are ahead of a particular gift you may have that is beginning to come as a flash in your mind and you think is this that the thought and you're trying to p it away. It doesn't make sense but it's persistent because destiny by its very nature is persistent. The flash I got flashes of destiny, flashes from the future, you know, or flashes from eternity. They're coming up to it. But then all of a sudden God start giving you an ambiencece or example of that in somebody who's way advanced in the same line of destiny and you say oh okay then those dreams are not crazy there are people doing what I'm dreaming right and so that's when I began to discover oh all right so this is called healing ministry that's what's coming to me you know so uh one day somebody then after that I met a brother who said hey I'm going to pray for the sick do you want to go with me. I'm like, "Okay." So, I went with them and I discovered when I prayed for people, they say, "I'm healed." So, I'm asking, "What is that? I'm healed. You prayed for me and the plane is gone." Oh, so this is what this says. So, that's for me how the the this healing part of my destiny began to unfold unfold. You know, it was flashes of dream. It was incoming in dreams. Then I saw it on the VHS from somebody who now made me make sure, oh, this is available within the womb of men. Oh, what is this called? What is this? Oh, that's called a crusade. Oh, that's a crusade. Yeah, when people gather together, there's an there's an evangelist or an evangelist. So, I said, so that must have. So, that's how my destiny began to enroll. But the more I spent time with the Lord, he began to give me more droplets.

So, you're saying it is a process. It's a process. It wasn't a one night flash in the pan moment. No, it was it it took time. Yes. What you said is really important. I just want to circle circle it for people is um paying attention to the desires Yes. that God gives you. It made me think of Hannah in scripture who had the desire to have a child. Yes. Um and in 1 Samuel it says years go by, years and years and years and years and her desire never changed but the outcome was never there. Yes. It says the Lord remembered her. Yes. At a certain point. Um, have you had things that or even now that you desire that you know the Lord wants to do but have been delayed and you're not sure why?

Exactly. Not sure why, you know, and uh but you know, but sometimes now I know sometimes the delay is that we have discovered that there are certain layers of destiny. Ive what I've discovered that is critical why some things are delayed is I've discovered that there's layers of destiny the more you ascend that are consecration sensitive and the problem is consecration requires you to give up something that you may like and so most people that becomes the threshold where the where stagnation comes because they cannot ascend to the next layer of destiny because the cost of getting there is giving up something in consecration that they don't want to give up yet. So a lot of the delay in destiny is not on God's side. Is God waiting for you to pay the price for the next level which requires you giving up something that you do I have to do this? But God says you have to do it if this lay of destiny is going to open up because this level of destiny is is is what is sensitive to that level of consecration. And if God gave it to you without that consecration, the lack of it will kill that at that level and kill you.

Almost as if we hit a point of our own perceived diminishing returns. Yes. Where we believe that's what we would call it in business. There's you hit a critical mass when the returns are not equal to the cost. Yes. How have you gotten over those moments in your own life? Because it I know that there have been moments of challenges, but sometimes people get into this really easy habit where they're just like, "Oh, he he doesn't struggle like a normal man." Um, but I know that you probably do. So, when you think about this, are you do you ever have the conversation like, "Is that worth it for me to get to here or or do you have head games or anything you have to play with mess with?"

No, le literally like I have struggled uh with it but you know uh the in the inflection point every time I've decided is I've asked myself the question I can see what the next level is and I know what they give up is I begin to calculate is the not giving up that thing worth what I'm losing in time and what I've become, okay? And my own desire to hit that level become so compelling that I say it's not worth it. And in every moment when the price has been paid, the regret is never the giving up is why it took so long. And so over time the giving up becomes much easier because now you have a history with your own record. Okay, I got it. Understood.

Um, can I ask you something weird and then can we keep going? Yes. Can you pray for people listening to this that their hunger for their they're you're talking about your desire to hit the next level in God. Hunger is a ladder. Yes. But it has to be leaned against the right things. Yes. Can you pray that our ladders would be maybe switched from the ambition of personal achievement? Yes. To our to the ambition for the destiny of God. Yes. Over our lives. Because I want that to supernaturally shift. Exactly. Because we it's not that we don't have desire. It's that we maybe have more desire for the wrong thing than the right thing. Yes. Can you pray for everyone watching this real quick and then we can go to the next place. Yes.

Heavenly Father, I pray for everyone watching or struggling to let go. To realize that the regret of not letting go when that moment of transition when the final moment when the final curtain call has been made will be greater than the price of giving it up now. So they can know Jesus at a level they have never known him before. And Lord the the Bible is replete with the stories of men who gave it up and saw a glory that you have made sure his story does not forget. Lord will not be talking about Abraham as a father of faith if he had not been willing to let go of Isaac. So Lord, I pray that they would use the examples of men and women who let go and the things they achieve to be the thing that draws them into a level of desire where giving it up for the sake of knowing Jesus will be more compelling than not giving it up. Give them the grace right now in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Thank you.

Okay. Any questions about that segment or we can you want to move on? I'll just wait till the end. You you sure? Yeah. Okay. You ready to keep going? Mhm. You have until like 6 p.m., right? We got all day. You're like plunging 100 feet deep right now. It's great. Now I want to know. Yeah.

There is a story of giving up that might help. I would love to hear it on this. This is a big might help because if I put I sometimes stories pull people the story of giving up. It was it was uh uh 1990 yeah 1996 [Music] uh was living in South Africa. My evangelistic ministry had already blown up in terms of healing signs and wonders. But the financial part of my life was very tight. So money was very difficult to come by. So I was saving the best I could, hoping for a better day when if it I thought if a door opens up to even go to another country and do something for the Lord, I want to have. That's when I was not yet not yet broken through into trusting that God provides for the levels he opens up. But I'm serving. And then then one day I get a phone call from a pastor from Zimbabwe who was my prayer partner in South Africa at the time. We used to pray together a lot. and he called me and he says, "Hey, Francis, my mother is dying in a hospital in Blao. I've got to go." She said, "She keeps coming in out of consciousness." And every time she comes out of into consciousness, she begs, "Where is my firstborn son? I'm holding on. I don't want to die without talking to him." The whole family is around her bedside. The doctor just told me at best she's got 5 hours. If I drive, it will take me 12 hours. my mother will be dead. I need to fly. And I found a flight. And he told me the price. The price was only $150 to get to see his mother on a South African Airways flight. You'll get him there. He said, "I don't have I have zero money, but I know you are a prophet of God. God talks to you. Can we pray together?" I said, "Yes, let's pray together." So, we began to pray and pray. Then all of a sudden the spirit of the the spirit of prophecy comes upon me and I said to him I said to him brother hear the word of the Lord. The Lord said God has prepared a man who has the exact amount of money that you need to be able to buy your ticket. I see you buying your ticket and I see you entering your mother's hospital room and you are going to spend exactly 30 minutes with your mother before the chariots of fire come to pick her up. She'll be gone. Exactly 30 minutes. Remember the word of the Lord. But the ticket has been provided. He said, "Oh, brother, thank you. I know you. When God talks to you, it's always comes to pass. Hallelujah. Thank you, brother." He put down the phone. I felt good about having participated in a small way in making that happen by the prophecy. But as I walked away from those um that was before cell phones, this was the ring, you know. M as I'm walking away from the phone, I heard the voice of the Lord say, Francis, you are right. Thou art the man. Oh, I I said this is witchcraft. I I said no. I said I said no. I mean my respon I mean I jerked like so you know someone I said no I can be me. I mean it can be me. No this is not the voice of the Lord. So I ran away from the room. I mean foolishly I thought if I run away for as far as was from that phone this voice and this would leave me. I went to the living room I I I kept hearing thou art the man. So I began to pray in tongues hoping that by praying in tongues this voice will go away. It only became stronger and then I said Lord then I said to protest but they said Lord I can't be the prophet and the giver at the same time. You have to use somebody else for the giving part. And God said to me know thou what the man? And then he said to me, Francis, what was the prophecy? What did you tell him? God has raised a man who has exact amount of money you need to be able to go and see your mother. And he said to me, Francis, open your checkbook. How much money do you have? I had $150.50. He said to me, "You look like the man." I said, "No." I started to cry. You know, I actually hated that guy even called me. I said, "Lord, if you didn't call me, I wouldn't be going through this." I mean, I was having all kind of emotions. But finally, my desire to obey God has always been something that has been deeper in me. You know, I may start in a place of rebellion, but I'm going to I'm going to tear that towards obedience because my desire to know God is that compelling. And so, you know, people say God loves a cheerful giver. That's the lowest that's I I call I call that Sunday school of of giving. That's the lowest level. God loves miserable givers. Psalm 126 will go sowing in tears. And so I went I said, "Okay, God, I'm going to obey you." So I took the checkbook. I'm shaking because this is my savings. It's taken me a lot to get to this money. I'm about to give all of it to this brother. So I took my pen and I started writing. And as I'm writing a po, you know, sometimes theology can also work against you. I start thinking this might be my Mount Mariah moment. Maybe God is testing me. While I'm trying to write the check, a voice will come. Stop. Now I know that you love me. Keep your money. I've got somebody else, you know. But the voice never came. But when I signed the check, the first time in my life, I experienced Shakina glory. When I signed the check, lick I mean the room change supercharged. I started to shake. Heaviest cloud of the glory of God descended and all left me. Tears began to go down my face and God said to me, "Because you have done this, you have opened a bridge between you and the country of your out assignment." And the portal opens up right in front of me. And I see myself standing on a bridge that I knew was not in Africa across a body of waters looking towards an island of skyscraper buildings. One year later, I would be standing in America in Brooklyn looking at a Manhattan and I screamed, "It was Manhattan." Was one year later after given the offering and God said to me, "All you had to do was let go of the $150. It bought you access to the greatest country on earth and they'll know you in this land from coast to coast. But it took $150 for you to let go. And it was a I mean it was difficult. So uh the joy of letting go, every time I think of the joy of letting go at any critical moment in time, it's the $150 that makes me push the the line. I remember I didn't want to give it. I fought God with every ounce of my being because at that moment that was all I couldn't see provision beyond $150. I thought about how many months it took for me to even save it. But when I let go, it gave me a miracle. So I always think at any moment when God is trying to me to pay the price to for the threshold of the next level. I don't go back to any other story. I go back to $150. It has been my impetus at every moment. Could this be my $150 moment? What is waiting on the other side of letting go?

There's so many layers to that story because if you wouldn't have given the $150, um there's a good chance you would have gotten into covenant with uh an altar around mammon cuz you would have then become a protector of the wrong table. Yes. Um yeah, you're going to So, this is what I want people to know is like the $150, you're going to learn it. Whether it's $150 or $150 million, it's probably better to learn it with $150 because then you can use that bank of of experiences as you go on. I'm the opposite. Sometimes, have you ever broke had to break a horse? Yes. No, I had the way you respond. I'm like uh when when a horse develops bad habits, you have to train both hemispheres of that horse's brain painfully. And sometimes I feel like I'm the I'm the horse that God has had to train and break because um I do not have all of that experience of sacrifice early on. Yes. And so I had to learn mine later in life. Wow. Um this was a couple months ago, but I was sitting down with with with God in my chair here and um I'm learning how to ask God just to spend time with me and not try to ask him for a bunch of things. Um I just want to I want to know him. I want to just want to sit with him. And so I I asked the Lord, I said, "Can I just sit with you for a for a moment?" And the Lord said, "Yes." And I said, "Okay." We sat there for a minute and I said, "Can I ask you for some things?" And he said, "Yes." And I said, "I need hope. Can you give me more hope for this area of my life?" He said, 'I'll give you hope. And I said, 'Okay. Well, that was a good response. So, I'm going to keep asking for things. I said, "Can you give me provision for this area of my life?" And the Lord said, "You already have provision, but you love money." Wow. I said, "I don't think I love money. I'm not sure." He's like, "Well, what do you what do you need the provision for?" I started to explain that it was actually to repair. You know, I told you the story last night. It was it was to get back to where I was and it was to protect myself. And he said, 'Why do you need provision to protect yourself if I'm your defender? Wow. You love money. Wow. And I was like, I've got some work to do is still because the last thing you want God telling you is that you love money. Um, and so I've worked through that and I'm still working through that. But I love that story because if you wouldn't have given that $150 then, then you'd be having to break a covenant with Mammon now. And I would I think it's a good lesson for people to like as soon as you hear the voice of the Lord, you should just obey it as quickly. The the collateral damage occurs as you delay your obedience. Would you agree with that?

100%. I look back now, I realize that, you know, that offering set me free unto God. Yes. You know, had I not given it, man would have had a power over me that maybe I don't know if I even be in America today. And here you are. Yeah, I am moving back to Nashville. You'll make it happen.

I wanted to talk about the gold standard of business owners. Yes. Do you feel like that's an appropriate place to go? We can go there cuz this is the deep end. We can go anywhere. We can do whatever we want. as a business as a business owner, we have this idea um that the the wealthiest people in the Bible, Joseph and Abraham and these people are the gold standard. In fact, I think everyone teaches on on Joseph. He's he kind of invented price elasticity and yes, uh a lot of even the economic models we use today. you were sharing a conversation that you began to have with the Lord around the Lord's gold standard for business owners. Yes. Um and this like I've never heard this before. So I want people to to hear your your revelation on this. Yes.

I was in South Africa. I was invited to speak to a group of businessmen, government leaders, and spiritual leaders in the city of George in South Africa. We met at the holiday resort. And when I realized the configuration of the gathering that they were coming from the streams of government, business and uh ministry, I was concerned that I would preach a message that is for one crowd and the others will go with nothing. So I said, Lord, you got to give me a message that's transcendent that every one of them can receive a portion of it. Uh but the Lord is always big picture, you know. He the way he answered me was very unusual. But but God is unusual, but his wisdom is past finding out. He says to me, as I'm asking him this, he starts a conversation about Joseph. He said to me, Francis, when you when you speak to the business leaders in America, you love to use Joseph, son of Jacob, as your God standard on kingdom entrepreneurship. Is that not the case? I said, yes, Lord. And now I'm telling the Lord with such confidence like yes Lord who who's a better model I mean I mean I mean the laws of leverage banking they come from Joseph he's literally invented the craft you know in how he managed the economy of Egypt. So who can be better God standard in the Bible of kingdom entrepreneurship. And when he had let me make my argument, you know, he he just went right past it. But the next thing he said got my attention. He said to me, I would have you know that is not mine. And those words just resonated my he's not my God standard of kingdom entrepreneurship. He said to me, Francis, it is wisdom to know the end of the matter, not just the beginning there of. He said to me, "Jacob, son of uh Joseph, son of Jacob, was the beginning of me weaving the mantle of kingdom entrepreneurship." The beginning, not the end of the matter. He says, he said to me, "My God's standard of kingdom entrepreneurship lies in the hands of another Joseph that you guys in the business community do not even talk about." And that that got my attention. And I said, "Lord, another Joseph?" He said, "Yes." I said, "What Joseph?" He said to me, "Joseph of Aryan?" And I'm like, "Joseph of Arythea? How can this guy be the God standard of kingdom entrepreneurship?" I said, "Lord, he's only spoken about in three verses, three verses in Matthew, four verses in the book of Mark, and two in John. There's nothing there." And the Lord said to you, to me, to you, there's nothing there. But I wrote the Bible. He said there are features of the of the man of kingdom entpreneurship in that story that completes the case. He says, "Have you wondered why his name is Joseph?" He says, "Because I didn't change his name because I was finishing a mantle I began in the old covenant with son of Jacob." So the mant was finished with him. It climaxed with him. And he said to me, if you stay with Joseph, son of Jacob, you are going to produce the kind of business people who can become wealthy but can't protect my interest because you don't know the end of the matter. So he took me to the to the story of Joseph of Aramatha. Now I'm listening. He said to me, he said, "Francis, for you to know why he's my God standard, I'm going to ask you a couple of questions." He said to me, "Francis, when I was on the earth, when I was on the earth, what was the most priceless piece of real estate on the earth?" And I'm thinking, real estate. M. So I'm thinking, well Lord, the the the covenant land of Israel that you gave to Abraham, that must be the most priceless piece of real estate. They are still fighting over it today. And God said to me, "No." He said to me, "The most priceless piece of real estate when I was alive was my incorruptible body. Everything else you could find, what you couldn't find on the earth that was unique, different was my body. No sin I never touched it. It was the incorruptible body. My incorruptible body was the most priceless piece of Lee. And he said to me, "When Joseph of Aramatha shows up, it is to rescue that priceless piece of real estate." He said to me, Francis, when I was on the earth, when was I most vulnerable? I mean, I had never thought of Jesus in terms of vulnerability. But there he is. He said, "When were I most vulnerable?" I'm thinking, "When you are being beat on the cross, when you when you are being slashed, when you are being beat up?" He says, "No, I was not that was not my most vulnerable state when I was being whipped at the at the whipping post." He said the way I was the most vulnerable when I had no when I could not represent myself, I had no voice, I was a dead body and who did I use to come and rescue that lifeless venerable body, a businessman by the name of Joseph of Aratheia. And he told me the reason is my God's standard. He says because he gives you the reason for wealth. He says you are being d the businessmen of today are being destroyed because they fail to get to the zenith of the reason for wealth. And he said to me, I said to me, Lord, I said, ' Lord, what is the reason for wealth? He says, the reason for wealth is to rescue my body when it's most vulnerable. The business people you are producing are buying more houses, more jets, more Lamborghinis because they think that is the ambiencece of what it means. And they use me to endorse that. And he said to me, "Get me, don't get me wrong. I have no problems with my people having nice things." But these same people who won't move a finger to rescue the lifeless body, my lifeless body all over the world where it's scattered, where it's on the cross, they can rescue it. He said, "Joseph of Arythea leveraged his entire reputation, his wealth to meet with Pilate to rescue a lifeless body on the cross and brought me back to a tomb so I could be buried according to Jewish custom in keeping with Isaiah's prophecy." He said, "If Joseph of Arythea had not rescued my body, what do you think would have happened to the story of the resurrection?" I found out in the day in that that the Roman soldiers, the Romans when they got anybody who was crucified by the Romans, it was a war. It was it was the worst punishment. The scum of the earth were put on the cross in Roman culture. So when they when they were dead, their bodies were never buried. They were disposed in a mass grave. So Jesus's body was headed for a mass grave except for a businessman by the name of Joseph of Valamasia. It's crazy. He you know you know he said to me he went and negotiated with the political system said many of the business people you are raising once they have money there's one thing that is the biggest idol on the earth power and political power has it so many of them when they get around politicians they misrepresent the body they actually leverage the body they actually he said to me Joseph of went to see a politician in order to rescue my body. Many of not to buy power but to go and rescue my body and he did not hide his allegiance to me even though I was a dead body. Peter Peter you Peter John all of these people they followed me when I could speak. So you could say there was benefit to them because I was alive. I could work a miracle. I could do this. Josephia came for my body when I couldn't speak, when I couldn't work a miracle and he rescued it. He said to me, "Those are the kind of business people that I want you to raise." So if you only talk about Joseph of the son of Jacob, this model is going to be missing in the equation of business. Practice what it's for. This is the real essence of wealth. He says, "My body still be needs to be rescued all over the world, and

I'm raising business people who are using some of the rescue money to feed the ego of success. That's big. So, how do we fix it?

The revelation is almost too big to practically apply it. How do we, how do we apply it? What are the steps? The Lord spoke to me. He says, "Once you see Joseph of Arimathea and you understand my highest purpose for wealth for every businessman is to rescue the body of Christ." Then the question that then becomes must become natural for you is, "Lord, this money, this next million dollars I've made, is it mine? Is it something that blessing me as a father to do ABC, buy a boat, or is this money supposed to rescue something?" He says, "If you ask me that, I'll show you if it's money to bless you or money to rescue you, 'cause I'll give you both." But he says, "There are money I've given to business people to rescue the body of Christ that became a yacht, that became another house, and rescued nothing for me." Wow.

Once somebody makes a realization that that has been the case, um, if you were counseling someone one-on-one, who like they're hearing this for the first time, would, would your recommendation to them be to go speak to the Lord and repent for that and to kind of start over, or are there deeper lines that need to be addressed?

No, no. I think that with the, you see, one thing I found about the Lord, he's so merciful, you know, um, he's merciful because he knows what we don't know. When the, when the revelation of Joseph of Arimathea hit me, I wept like a baby. And the reason I wept is because I began to see some of the rescue dollars I was given that I used on Francis Miles. M. I said, "Oh my God." Because I'm a businessman as well. Yeah. And he suddenly, I could see it's like a flash came before me and I realized, "Oh boy, there's some rescue money that was meant to rescue the body of Christ that I used on me." And so I think the, the realization of that is the beginning. That once your heart softens to that, and then what it does, it blunts the power of the mammon spirit because now you realize, "Okay, I get it." And so if you ask him, he will show you, you know. Oh, no, this is for you because see, people don't understand. God is a good dad. You say, "No, I want you to buy the house because a faithful servant needs to be rewarded." Mhm. And God does that. God has the most amazing, benevolent reward system of anybody. But he would tell you when what you are holding is money to rescue. So there'll be a business person listening to me right now. The reason why you keep seeing those programs about children being trafficked is because that's the section of the body you're called to rescue. So you, you find that there will be different draws. You, there's a subject of need you can't escape. You see it on the golf course. It, it's a flash in time because the Father is letting you know, "You are the Joseph of Arimathea who's going to rescue this section of the body of Christ. My body is on the cross. What are you going to do about it?"

It's one of my favorite things I've ever heard in my life, dude. Mhm. Yeah. Like, for instance, let me give, give an example. [Music] Uh, she came to ask me for permission. She was in my church, said, "I won't be able to be for that service. I'm going to go. There are some widows who are in very bad, uh, they, they've got some kids they're taking care of, and I need to take them some clothes." I get all this. Second. So I said, so I mean, it's like I said, "Oh," I said, "Oh, I would like to see what you do." It just, it was just as simple as that. Okay. Oh, wow. I didn't think much of it. Yeah. So she takes me to this area, brother. We get to there. I'm a Zambian. I didn't even know there was a place that slammed me. It was a slum, brother. Sewage coming out. I mean, it's like the, I'm like, "What?" So we're walking. Our car is driving. You are like thinking, "Who is this?" I mean, people are living around filth here. And we got to this house, and it was the house, an unfinished house of a widow. Her husband had died 10, 10 years earlier, and the house was not as big as a studio, man. And in that house, there was probably maybe 20 or 30 kids living there. And I said, "Oh." And she, all of a sudden, she just, you could see she wears the same clothes. I said, "What?" I said, "What's going on?" And she said, telling me a story. She says, "Well, my husband died. And I just wanted to find meaning. And I saw these children whose parents are dead, their grandmothers are old, they can't take us. So I just said, 'Bring them on. Bring them on. We eat whatever we can find.'" I'm looking at this. I start to weep. And the Lord said to me, he said to me, "You didn't come here to see what this woman does. You came here because you must rescue this. This is why I gave you that and that and that. So what are you going to do about it?" So I ended up taking 42 kids from this woman, took over everything, built a school, built. I spent thousands of money. I didn't because I realized, "Oh, that's what it is. Rescue money." Now those kids are going to school. That woman is know, we, I mean, we, I can't count how many widows you have. No, we have got how there are so many. How do you take care of them? Or have other widows who have no husband, so they come and we become, we, we have to do something. Our life, we just can't sit here. We don't have money, but we can have care, we have nurturing. We can. These children have gone so, so I said, "Bring." So the widow, I mean, I'm like, "Wow." So I financed all, we financed all the widows, and then we took the kids away. You know, brother, there's never been a better dollar spent. The sense of discovering the part of the body you're supposed to rescue. There's nothing like it. And there's a sanctifying effect to that. So, I kind of know what that is. And that's why I say that once you realize what it is and you repent and you buy into the, what I call the Joseph model of doing business, then you start asking the Master, "Okay, I got this. What do you want me to rescue?" And he'll tell you. He, he'll tell you.

That's amazing. I wish we could go all day. I got to wrap up, uh, and head to the work stuff. Do you have anything you want to sneak in? I didn't mean to take all your questions.

It's okay. Um, one, thank you for that. That's so amazing. I mean, so it just, it brings it, it's the best thing, man, when you feel like you remember the things that really matter and what you're actually supposed to look at versus all of the distractions that we, especially have in America. I know it's worldwide, but it's like so good to just go, these are the things that matter. If we're so stuck in living in the natural world all the time, we'll never experience anything in the supernatural because we don't have the expectation to ever believe for it or look for it or spend the time, uh, seeking it. But the second thing, it's a question I had earlier. Um, but I know it's something I deal with, other people have dealt with when they listen to the show. Sometimes it feels like there's a million things we need to do in the spirit world. But I think it's much more simple than that. And I feel like you could bring some peace to that question is when there's things like bloodlines and earth and all these different things, altars and blah, blah, blah, all, all the things, how have you kept it simple with the Lord in the sense of knowing what needs to be taken care of, what needs to be addressed? Um, have you just noticed that it's as simple as God just brings it up to you and then you deal with it? Or are there other times where you're like, "No, I need to be very conscious or I have disciplines in place to check these things in terms of altars or bloodlines or anything with the earth?" What is that? What does that look like for you?

Well, uh, for me, um, um, I have zoned in into the reality is that I now know that mankind was is longing, whether they know it or not, but was designed to be supervised by the Holy Spirit. Once you accept that that I was born to supervise, you become malleable and teachable to the, to the ways of the spirit. Sometimes you, it will be a thought that you didn't think it would be a thought, but later the fruit of it, you see that the Holy Spirit led you. Sometimes it will just be as clear as you hearing in the Holy Spirit, you know. Um, and then of course, there, there's also disciplines that you develop. Like, for instance, when it comes to the issues of altars, you know that there's a discipline needed there that you've got to keep the altar burning. And so you keep showing up, uh, in the place of prayer, even when you don't hear from God, because it's a discipline that God wants you to create because at any given moment, you, the moment of divine inspiration might, might spark off. So there's also discipline. So I think it's, to me, it's a meandering of all three.

Wonderful. Thank you so much. That's great. We got to have you back. Yeah. Seriously, I'm like, dude, I'm ready for like a four-hour part two right now. Yeah, we do. Um, soon. Thank you for, for not dying in the hospital.

Yes, me too. My wife, my wife would say the same thing. Yeah, we needed you alive to share this.

Uh, what is the necklace?

Oh, this necklace was given to me after I lost my mother. There was, you know, even though I was that encounter where I was, uh, set with her just transitioning, I still was still longing for a mother figure. When I was in Israel with Sid Roth, I met a family, uh, my, my white family. She was, uh, she was, uh, she was a mother in her 80s and, uh, three coming to Israel was in a bucket list. And when we got to Israel, Sid Roth made me, made all the speakers who were part of that tour bus captains. And I happened to be be given the bus captain of the, when my mother, my, my soon-to-be white mother was on. And they had watched me on Sid Roth and on when I did a show on jumping the bloodlines and they had wanted to do that. So they said, "Oh my God, we didn't know you're going to be our bus captain." They told us about the show. He says, "We are with mother. This has been a bucket list before she goes to heaven. Would you come and make us jump the line?" And so I did, and we connected, and then she adopted me and be, I became a son, and I was needing that so bad. And so when I went to visit in Orlando, she comes out. She says, "Listen, there is an, there is an artifact I've been keeping. It's a, uh, uh, I got it many years ago. I was, it's a hair room. I was going to give it to, it was just be will we to one of, I was going to give it to one of my, my grandchildren, but as soon as you came in, the Lord spoke to me, says, 'No, that that hair does not belong to, to them. It belongs to, to Francis.'" She didn't know I love lions. I'm big on lions. And you know, so this is the moment I have left over. She, when she transitioned to be with Jesus four years ago, so I wear it. I remember. So that's how I got the lion.

That's awesome. Asking for Kate, 'cause she was like, "Dad, he has a lion on his." Everyone's going to be wondering that, too. I have a lion. I'll ask him what it is.

Oh, man. Fantastic, man. We love you. Thank you. This has been awesome. And then we'll just go ahead and schedule part two before, before you leave. So, we love you guys and, uh, hopefully you enjoyed it as much as we did. If you have any questions, we'll send it over to the team. See you guys next week. Cheese.