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What has been the cause of this surge in right-wing conservative hostility to Israel and Jews, even, and the, the, the rise of conspiracy theory wacko concepts? Um, what has it come down to? How's this happened? Douglas Murray gives some fascinating insights, uh, in a discussion, uh, on the quad. Let's have a watch of what he had to say.
I want to agree with you and, and I think I do in general, and I do believe that again, is, you know, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and thinking you're going to have a different solution, like the two-state solution, which everybody keeps peddling out again and again, as if somehow, uh, you know, the Palestinian leadership became now Swiss. But the one thing that does, that the one thing that does concern me in America, and again, you know, I, I have a lot of trust in, in President Trump and his administration, is this kind of not new, but regurgitated form of old, um, right-wing anti-semitism that we're seeing with this, what they call the woke right, the Tucker Carlson. How, I mean, you're there, Douglas, and you have a sharp eye. How prevalent is it, and should we be very worried about it?
>> Um, I, I, I think it's definitely a worry. Yes. Um, and I don't think it's just a sort of, um, anti, I don't think it's just anti-semitism that has been toyed with, let's say, by some influences on the right. I think it's also an anti-westernism. We're back to that thing that the, the conjoined nature of these two things. It just come together, uh, like a horse and carriage or a motorbike and sidecar. Um, the, the, the problem on a part of the American right, some of which has influence, some of which does not, >> um, is that again, sorry to sound repetitive, but first of all, Qatari money everywhere, flowing around, very attractive. >> Uh, then there's the issue of the clickbait nature of it. >> True. Um, if you, if you do a podcast about, uh, something that is historically accurate and accepted to be true, your click rate might be good. It might be moderate. It might be low. If you do, um, uh, a quasi-historical, um, pseudo-analysis that's based on absolutely nothing, but is new and sparkly and dangerous, you'll get the clicks. >> Yeah. So it's also being driven by that, uh, algorithmic, um, uh, issue where, where weak people and easily bought people, uh, will simply pander to what will bring them the clicks and therefore the cash revenue. >> Yeah.
>> But there's also this issue that unfortunately, and again, it's something I've pointed out for many years. Unfortunately, again, these things can come from any direction. Uh, the right-wing anti-westernism is essentially that thing of, um, uh, Israel is particularly bad, but we in the West are also bad, and have, have always been bad. And particularly in America, it comes across in the neo-isolationist wing, which is, which believes that America has never done any good in the world, effectively, that everywhere America has got involved in the world, it's made worse. I suppose that was inevitable as a backlash against some of the failed, failed foreign policies of the post-9/11 period, and the resulting feeling among some on the right who were burned by agreeing with, for instance, George W. Bush's policies, and then seeing that, you know, it turned out that they didn't know as much as they should have known. I think that there are a lot of people on the right who've been burned by that. This is the most good-faith analysis. Uh, they've been burned by that, and as a result, they'd rather that American troops stayed at home, other than in exceptional circumstances where the American homeland was at threat. Um, and I think these people have absorbed a sort of left-wing narrative again, >> that >> you know, wherever American might is, uh, shown, uh, everything gets worse. And I don't think that's the case, and I think it's a shame that a portion of the right is playing with that, in the same way that a portion of the left has played with it for many decades now.
Yeah, it, it's really beggars belief, like you said, you don't know where it's coming from, and it could come from anywhere. Um, and ultimately, the, I think the, you know, going against Israel, going against the Jews, is the beginning of, like you said, going against their own Western civilization, and that is extremely sad. But you give us some hope, Douglas, uh, first of all, that there's, uh, people like you who can, uh, write these books that have an enormous effect onto the psyche of people who are least willing to listen, um, and for your advocacy, and for your accurate reporting, of the terrible, terrible massacre that happened. I know you were here, and I know that you've met with so many of those victims, and, and Israel is still strong. Uh, it's going to be, uh, continue to be strong, and we pray that, I pray, sometimes I think sometimes things have to go really rock bottom before they get better again. I'm just wondering whether we've hit the bottom, and now are coming back, or we haven't hit it yet. But I'm praying that the way history goes up and down, that's what's going to happen.
>> I, I pray for the same thing, FL.
>> So I think it's definitely true that there's a number of things that, that have caused this, a number of reasons that this has happened. Um, I actually was interviewing Desh Duza, uh, and you can watch that interview recently on, on JTV, where he says that he thinks the reasons for the, um, hostility that we're seeing on the left and the right, sorry, and the right in particular, uh, you know, from the Tuckers to the Steve Bannons, he says, actually, often the reasons are different. Um, but the key thing is that what's the, the common theme is there seems to be this hostility towards the Jewish people. But for those of you who are students of history, you should know that none of this should be surprising to us. The fact that this happens now, um, and that, uh, let's say political corners that Jews thought might have been where they're welcome, turning on them, is nothing new in Jewish history. Um, we see anti-semitism rise from all kinds of political directions, and usually they're just used as the excuses to dress up what is the hatred of the Jews. And so if you actually want to get to the core of understanding what anti-semitism is, you should know it's nothing to do with what they say on the surface is their grievance comes down to far deeper, far deeper, um, elements and factors. And, uh, that's why anti-semitism is, I believe, to be some kind of spiritual phenomenon. It's pushing back. And this is what Desh Duza was saying as well, and he's saying this is someone that's not Jewish. It's actually pushing back against God's very plan for the world. It's a rebellion against God, against Mount Sinai, against the mission that he charged the Jews with, um, to be a blessing to the world, a light to the world. And anti-semitism is a hostility to that, often an emotional one. Think about the people that have been the enemies of the Jews throughout history. They represent the deepest, darkest, most evil ideologies throughout history. In fact, in some ways, it's a compliment who the enemies of the Jewish people are to the Jews, because it reminds us who we are and what our job is.
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