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Pakistan is conducting airstrikes on Afghan civilians. India has called this an act of war at the UN. I also saw 'Dhundhar' last night. There, they were showing a part of a movie about how the Baloch are struggling for their freedom and how the Pakistani army is torturing and killing their children and women. Another part of 'Dhundhar' also points towards 'Unknown Gunman'. So, I felt these three topics should be discussed today. A general but painful topic is how our army has been portrayed by our own industry, India's own industry, over the years, and what pain an army person feels when they see it, because they show it completely differently from reality, and often in a mocking or criticizing way. Second, what is happening on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border? To discuss all this, we have Colonel Mayank Chaubey ji with us today. So, thank you, sir, for joining. And if I may take your initial comment, sir, that Pakistan is now conducting airstrikes on Afghanistan, and those same airstrikes are said to be conducted on the Baloch, on independence movements, so what is Pakistan's strategy of overwhelming air force against civilians? Thank you, thank you for inviting me to your channel. It's a pleasure to speak with you. Regarding airstrikes by Pakistan, see, Pakistan doesn't have the courage to fight any trained army. So what happens is, it shows its so-called bravery on civilians, unarmed people, its own civilians, on the Baloch, on Pashtuns, and across the border, on Afghans. It has also attacked civilians in Afghanistan, not military targets. It has killed cricketers. So, however much Pakistan's air force is praised, it's not enough, because they don't have the courage to mess with India, so they go and kill civilians. You must have heard another news recently. I think this was around November 20th, when they used their Chinese-made glide bombs in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, and about 32 civilians lost their lives there. People died, videos were coming, but the Pakistani government said, "No, this is Indian propaganda." So you can expect anything from Pakistan. Anything that is in a bad state can easily be attributed to Pakistan. Yes, the strategy against civilians is like carrying out terrorist attacks in India, because you cannot use the military. In a way, terror is your extended arm. It is, I think, another column of your military strategy, versus officially using the military, using planes in Afghanistan or in many parts of Pakistan. So, without terrorizing the civilian population, the Pakistani army has no military doctrine or military strategy, sir. No, it is surprising. Pakistan's military academy is in one place, Kakul. If you recall, there was a gentleman named Osama bin Laden. He was found not too far from their academy in Abbottabad. I believe that in their academy, just as we learn tactics, map reading, camouflage, concealment, they have a procedure for how to surrender before the Indian Army, and a second procedure is how to kill your own countrymen. So, these two things are taught there, as far as I know. Now, what attack did they carry out on Afghanistan? They said they were targeting TTP because TTP engages in terrorism in Pakistan. This was again a joke, because you yourself raised TTP. Now you are saying it engages in terrorism. Anyway, they went and attacked there. They didn't attack. They didn't announce that they attacked and killed a particular person. That person says, "Hello, how do you do? I am hiding in Waziristan. I am sitting in your own country, right under your nose. Within an hour, he came and announced that I am sitting here, catch me if you can." So, this was the greatness of the Pakistani Air Force, because they went at night and bombed there. They thought that if India can conduct operations in the dark of night, then we can too. See, even for imitation, intelligence is needed. And I still believe that the partition of this country happened on the basis of IQ, not on the basis of religion. The lower IQ is sitting on the other side of the Radcliffe Line. If you look at their every action, you will find it to be the same. So, they attacked Afghanistan. Their motive for attacking was not to catch terrorists. You might recall that Mr. Trump expressed a desire. We used to watch a game in childhood called Queen of Sheba. Mostly girls play that game. One girl would sit, she would become the Queen of Sheba, and whatever the Queen of Sheba ordered, all the children would run and fulfill it. Like, if the Queen of Sheba said, "I want something green," someone would bring vegetables, or pick up some green plant. Similarly, Mr. Trump became the Queen of Sheba for Pakistan. He said, "I want Bagram." So, Pakistan sent its air force flying. Let's go and see something. We will dominate our area here, take Bagram, and present Bagram to you, Mr. Trump. Okay. They covered it. We are going to attack TTP. They got into trouble. TTP said, "Brother, we are here, we will take revenge on you properly." And Bagram, which they wanted to take, the Indian army received an invitation there. Yes. So, on October 12th, the Taliban Foreign Minister came and gave his statement in South Block, and he said that India is most welcome to help Afghanistan. Although we have not yet fully established diplomatic relations, and India has not yet given recognition to the Taliban government in Afghanistan, despite that, keeping faith in the Afghan people and considering them, India has taken some steps that are unprecedented and you will not find them in history. But I want to know, because Afghanistan has no ability to have the military equipment that Pakistan has, how much trouble is this creating for Pakistan? Because if you bomb Afghanistan, the USSR tried that, the US tried that, who were the genuine superpowers of their time. So, Pakistan doesn't even have that power. So, isn't this a very risky strategy for Pakistan? Because when the hitback from Afghanistan comes, and they have the entire territory of Pashtuns, according to them, what loyalties are there? Where will terror come in Pakistan, or will it hit back, Pakistan will have to suffer. So, are they not factoring this in, adopting such a dangerous strategy? Hitback is not coming, hitback has already come. Just yesterday, TTP fighters captured a Pakistani battalion headquarters, removed the CO, and surrounded his chair. And the Pakistan Army says 10 or 12 people died. My information suggests that at least 32-33 people died. This statistic shows that the Pakistani army loses soldiers equivalent to a brigade strength in a year. They die. And soldiers equivalent to a division strength die and are injured. Once a soldier is injured, he is no longer able to fight. So, that means Pakistan is losing a division strength in a year at this rate, while it is not engaged with any enemy. We are fighting against so-called insurgency, and this is its attrition rate. So, you will know what the professionalism of a person is, that they are fighting civilians and this is their condition at the moment, and it is very low. You talked about professionalism, so a professional ISI chief, Faiz Hameed, has gone to jail for 14 years. Now, the fact of the case is a separate matter, but what is this political change? And this was the same Faiz Hameed who went to Afghanistan very happily for tea. That video went very viral, that the Taliban has arrived in Afghanistan, Pakistan has hit the jackpot, it has gained strategic depth. So, do you see this internal politics? I think he might be the first ISI chief to be convicted by a court. See, he will be the ISI chief later. First of all, he is the General who replaced Asim Munir as ISI chief. You might recall that Asif Munir sahib was the chief of ISI, and he made a so-called video film of Imran Khan secretly, and he was threatening him with that video film. So, he was removed from his post. In his place, Faiz Hameed sahib occupied the seat of ISI. We have generally seen that the person who replaces someone does not like the previous incumbent at all. Secondly, there is also suspicion that Faiz Hameed sahib is in cahoots with Nawaz Sharif. Okay. Another thing is that, as you might have noticed, a document was to be signed for Asim Munir sahib to become the CDF. Yes, yes, yes, yes. On November 30th, that document should have been signed. These are army rules. If you have to take a post, you have to occupy that post one day before your retirement. Yes. The 30th passed, the 1st passed, the 2nd passed, the 3rd passed. The reason is that the Prime Minister is not in the country. He was sitting in London. Then news came that the Prime Minister is returning. Where did he return to? Lahore. He didn't even reach his office. So, there was a tug-of-war going on at this time, and the gentleman you named, who went to have tea with the Taliban with great excitement, and now he has been sentenced to 14 years in jail, it is said that he was supporting Mian Nawaz Sharif, and a journalist's name is also involved in this, and these people were supporters of Nawaz Sharif. The internal dynamics are such that Nawaz Sharif wants to regain power. He has trained his daughter. His daughter is the Chief Minister of Punjab. Yes. And now he wants to get the Prime Minister's seat back. Yes. So, this is the internal politics going on at the moment. Because of this, he did not allow Asim Munir's papers to be signed. Yes. Then, to divert people's attention, the issue of Imran Khan comes up. Yes. Because Imran Khan and Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan are the two trump cards in Pakistan. You might recall that as soon as there was news against Imran Khan that Imran Khan was tortured or something happened, a news item was spread by Pakistan's Uber that Dawood Ibrahim has been poisoned. Remember that? Okay. So, you will see that Imran Khan will always be used as that trump card when Pakistan faces any trouble. At this moment, Pakistan's biggest trouble is that they are being badly beaten from Afghanistan. Second, Tehreek-e-Labbaik Party. Tehreek-e-Labbaik Party is a shadow organization of the Pakistani army. Everyone knows this. When did that organization come out on the streets? They came out with flags for Hamas. They came out for Palestine, saying they should get support. While the Pakistani forces were being beaten from Afghanistan. So, to divert people's attention, in my opinion, they sacrificed at least 200 people from the Tehreek-e-Labbaik Party, and their boss, what's his name, Saeed Ahmed, Sajid Ahmed? They so-called arrested him. This is all collusion, complicity. In Pakistan, the common man has no value. 200 people dying is a common thing. So, they killed 200 people there. People's attention might have shifted a little. They arrested one person, and then things are proceeding as usual. So, they will always use these two things to divert people's attention. At this moment, the situation has gone out of hand. It has gone out of hand because, in my opinion, on the 24th and 25th, Imran Khan has left this earth. You believe he is no more. I, based on your previous comments, four more questions are arising, but you have dropped such a bomb. So, I will focus on this first. According to you, he has bid farewell? Because whether this happened or not, that matter was being suppressed. Ishkaran, you will recall that the sisters were sitting at the protest. Okay. One of the sisters, Uzma, they picked her up and said, "You will go alone to meet him. If you want to meet your brother, let all three sisters go." There should be no problem. Why pick only one? Okay. Fine, you allowed one. She went inside, came out. Any normal sister who was sitting there thinking her brother is not alive, would go inside, see her brother alive, and come out. There would be a smile on her face. She would be happy to share with the press that I saw my brother, yes, I thought he was like this, but he is not like that, he is alive at the moment, although his condition is bad. She would blurt out everything to the press. She would not give a doctored statement to the press. This is what I felt, that the statement given by Uzma was a doctored statement. So, for now, we are trying to understand what deal was made between these people. Okay. It's not that she was threatened or intimidated. I am very sure there has been some deal, and after that deal, she came out. She gave the statement that he is still alive. The statement that he is alive is given so that people in Pakistan calm down a little. Yes. But why does the same sister then go back to the streets with her other two sisters and sit on Adiala Road? Water cannons are fired at 2 AM, this lady gets slightly hurt, and then a new uproar starts in Pakistan. Suddenly, what happened that after three days, you are back there? What brainwave did you have, and then you give this statement that the people of PTI who are not with us at this time, their reality will be revealed. And so, what is happening is that an attempt is being made by the Pakistani army to create a rift in PTI, and very soon it will become clear that Imran Khan is no more in this world. He is just being kept safe. Yes, in the last five minutes, you have talked about four rifts, four explosions. I want to lead out all four sequentially. First, if an ISI chief is convicted, which I think is the second most important post in the Pakistani army, there will be his loyalists, his mentors who brought him this far. Divorced from the politics of it, who is he supporting? So, how big a split or explosion is happening within the army? Many people might not like Asim Munir's power graph, and Pakistan is not so stable that someone has become a dictator and controlled everything. Too many players and too many factors are there, including international factors. So, what will be the state of the army at this time when they see that such a powerful person can be convicted for the first time? So, you have opened the doors for the conviction of others as well, because before this, the army used to take an institutional view that, brother, if our top person is convicted, it's a bad precedent, which any institution takes. Here, the institution itself is eating the institution. So, that's a civil war within the army, as I understand it. Ishkaran, there are two factions in the Pakistani army. One is called the Mullah General, and the other is called the Whiskey General. Mullah Generals are the hardliners, like Asim Munir, Hafiz Quran. And the Whiskey General is the one who clinks glasses at night and wants to go with American policy, forward-looking people. Now, at this time, Asim Munir has occupied the chair for five years. He has not vacated the chair of the Chief of the Army Staff. That is, in the next five years, everyone who comes will retire, but will not be able to move forward. Yes. In this situation, at least five generals must be discontented. Those who have come this far with so much effort are not getting an opportunity, so they must be troubled. So, there is discontent, no doubt. Second, when the core commander of Pakistan was attacked at his house during the first protest in Lahore, when you recall, that core was stolen, and people carried the core commander's trousers in the air. So, that was the first example when the people of Pakistan directly attacked the Pakistani army. And that too of a core commander, and that too of Lahore, a very important, very powerful position. At that time, it became clear that the Pakistani Tehreek-e-Insaf Party could create problems within the army. Then, the superiors of the Pakistani army warned several officers by writing letters that your wives are giving full support to Imran Khan's PTI, because they were all fans of Imran Khan. Yes. So, the Pakistani army, to be frank, Ishkaran, the husband will listen to his wife. And a Pakistani army general is no less. He has to listen to his wife. If his wife is supporting Imran Khan and tells him, "Please go slow on Imran," then he has to go slow on Imran. Now, even if you give him a letter from the Chief of the Army, a letter reminds me of something else. There is a battalion in Pakistan, 21 Azad Kashmir Battalion, Azad Kashmir. It's a 50-something, but the battalion is named. This battalion is deployed on the LOC. Yes. Its adjutant has written a letter. To whom has he written the letter? To a village Maulana. That you announce from the mosque that a particular soldier has run away out of fear of the Hindu army. He has been missing for two years. He should be sent back to his unit. This letter, if you wish, I can DM it to you or send it to you. It's a letter written in Urdu, duly signed and stamped by the adjutant of the 21 Azad Kashmir Battalion. So, it is available. So, brother, the situation is such at the moment that the soldiers of the Pakistan Army are deserting. This is called desertion in military language. They are leaving their posts. Otherwise, why would the adjutant seek the help of the Maulana? To send him back. And he clearly said that he ran away out of fear of the Hindu army. Yes, in the first part, you said a battalion strength or a division.
Saint is injured and dead. Now they fought in Balochistan, they fought in Afghanistan, they fought with the Hindu Army, where did they fight, and at the end of the day, the foot soldier's salary is just the basic salary. There is no such thing. He is not getting a corner plot. He is just a foot soldier. He is just getting a salary. Now, after getting the salary, it is better to just drive. Rather than taking bullets, obviously, what morale would he have, especially when he is also seeing the conviction of the ISI chief? So, for the first time ever, like they entered the house of a Corps Commander. The ISI chief has been convicted. So, this is the first time ever that the Pakistani army, which was said to be a good army in its time. It is imploding. It is no longer a fighting unit. I would like to give another example on your channel. In the history of the world, there is only one officer, and he is Brigadier Bajwa of the Indian Army. Who wrote citations for soldiers of two different armies, and both received their respective country's highest military honor. Okay. Brigadier Bajwa was the Brigade Commander in the Kargil area. Yes. And there was an officer from the Northern Light Infantry of the Pakistani Army, Captain Karnal Sher Khan. His name was Kurnal Sher Khan because he wanted to join the army. So, in the village, they used to name children Kurnal Singh, Kurnal Singh. Kurnal Kurnal Punjab, yes. So, Captain Kurnal Sher Khan was manning an MMG post in the Kargil sector. And he fought very bravely. He was overpowered and killed. After his death, Pakistan, with great difficulty, accepted to take his dead body. Brigadier Bajwa himself wrote a note and sent it, saying, "This officer has fought very valiantly and he should be awarded for his bravery," and he put that note in his pocket. This body goes to Pakistan. In Pakistan, naturally, they search and check. They found a handwritten note by a Brigadier of the Indian Army. Now, if the enemy is praising you, it means you must have done something special. So, keeping his bravery in mind, they gave him Pakistan's highest military honor, I think it is Nishan-e-Haider or Nishan-e-Pakistan, whichever it is. Brigadier Bajwa also wrote the citation for Joginder Singh. He received the Param Vir Chakra in India. I have also written a tweet about this: one officer recommends two people from different armies. Both receive the highest military honor. This is the Indian Army. Even if the enemy showed bravery, he wrote to award him. Although he was killing him, still, this is the ethos of our army. Now, the grave built for him in Pakistan, the grave of someone with the highest military honor, is a very prominent place. So, when there is a demonstration of Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan, they have also destroyed the grave. So, the signal is that, brother, no matter who you are, if you have had any connection with the army, then we are your enemy. Secondly, in their Lal Masjid, their Maulana Sahib sits and gives sermons and asks, "Who is with the Pakistan Army?" Not a single hand was raised in that mosque. The video is available on the internet, you can watch it if you wish. So, sir, this is the first time, basically, they are riding a very dangerous ride, the Pakistani army, where it is fighting with itself, and with the leaders, so the four things I did, I am focusing a bit on fighting with itself, because any army in which there is so much infighting, and the general population is against you, your house is being strengthened, your statues are being broken, or your final resting place is being broken, then your sustainability without the support of the local population is nil. How long will it last? You have one more uniform service for support, which is the Pakistan Police. The Pakistan Police is currently mocking the Pakistani Army, saying, "Don't show us your arrogance. You are coming back defeated by the TTP." This video is also available. So, at this time, the Pakistani army, I say, if you want to curse someone, tell them to join the Pakistani army. And at this time, it seems their curse will end very soon because their life will not be saved. I want to come to its second angle. Pakistani, you said that now Nawaz Sharif is being supported by someone. Where are Imran Khan's supporters? They are in Punjab, they are brothers, so a political explosion is also going to happen because the political parties on the other side are there, whether it is Zardari or whoever, and Imran Khan is not disappearing. If he is finished, there will be an uproar, and what will come out of that uproar, the result is difficult to predict right now. So, while there is a civilian collapse, a political collapse, whatever it is, you are also seeing that during the internal family fight, more is going to happen. The problem here is that Pakistan's specialty is that everyone is filling their own pockets. Interestingly, the IMF had agreed to give a loan of $11.6 billion to Pakistan. This loan was supposed to be disbursed in four tranches. Somewhere, the IMF got wind that something was wrong. So, they reached Pakistan to investigate. The team stayed there for two weeks. Do you know what they found? Out of the $11.6 billion pledged, $11 billion has already been reappropriated by the people. $6 billion was available for development. When they did this, their eyes opened. Then they adjusted their money a bit here and there and saved it. So, this is Pakistan for you. Now, a tranche of $1.5 billion has been released. So, a meme has come out about it, that Nawaz Sharif is going to the International Court of Justice. To say that India is making a movie called "Dhurandar," and in "Dhurandar," we only have that 70cc motorcycle. We are shown riding motorcycles worth millions. We have malls, big streets. India is showing the world that we are very rich, so that we don't get more loans. Therefore, do not fall for their movie. Give us loans. This is what is said. This is said. In the 80s, China tried. When India-China, at that time, in the 70s, I think, tried in the 80s, 70s. But it might be possible, because, as I said, I saw the movie. The normal part is absolutely in a state of broken lights, but in between, some very fancy areas with parties and that were also shown. But that was Pakistan's dichotomy at one time. But what I think, I remember, I will share with you. There was an international competition, and participants from Pakistan also came. We were in college. So, it was an international competition, and participants from Pakistan and some other countries had come. So, they used to say, the way they were, "Brother, there is one person who is educated, then there is one person who is English educated, and there is 0.01% who call themselves educated from these places." But I think that 0.01% has left Pakistan. Even 1% has mostly left. Now, what is left is the 99% who have neither education nor lifestyle, who will fight as a Baloch, who will fight in Afghanistan, who will fight in India, who will fight in terror, and at the same time, will witness its implosion, in my opinion. 0.01% I want to be a bit unknown in the third thing you mentioned, like unknown gunmen. I talked about Dhurandar. It is being said for the last three-four years that this is India's strategy. And a very intelligent strategy, a very timely strategy, finally, that we are doing it. Because Israel used to do it openly. America used to do it openly. Even if a country was destroyed, they would say, I heard it for the first time, I still remember, when they used to bomb, collateral damage, like a school was destroyed, something was destroyed. That is collateral damage. I remember that word. It was when you were in college. We want a very interesting word. Okay, collateral damage, a whole school destroyed, a whole hospital destroyed. India, which has always been good-natured, saying we have to do it by the rules, we have international law, Indian law, blah blah blah, human rights, NGOs. You must have also suffered. Now it has reduced a bit, that if you do anything, an NGO will come forward. So, there, this unknown strategy, the main thing, and the movie is also based on it. In fact, I was watching a clip in which it was said that its title could easily have been "Unknown Man." Very easily could have been the title. How effective has that strategy been in creating panic in the terrorist organizations? Because it is difficult for them to judge truth or lies. Such movies come, policies come, so many YouTubes are made on this. So, in a way, the terror they wanted to inflict on us, today they are afraid for themselves, for their families. Do you think fear has reached their hearts? Ishkaran ji, you must remember, earlier there was a very dedicated terrorist named Hafiz Saeed, you must have heard of him. In the last year, in the last year, have you seen this person in any public forum? We have seen his son, Talaha Saeed, in his place. Hafiz Saeed is not seen. Two-three days ago, there was a gathering of theirs, in which they made indecent songs and made children sing them, meaning, how low can a person fall? Ask any Pakistani, they will give you the answer. So, children were singing, "We were late in making Mumbai, and blood will flow in Ganga Jamuna," and songs like this were being sung in the voices of children, and Talaha Saeed and Saifullah Kasuri were leading that gathering. Saifullah Kasuri is from LET. Now, only the word "goon" comes out of my mouth, because they are not terrorists. So, he planned the Pahalgam incident of April 22nd. He was its mastermind. So, they were sharing this stage. The question you asked, terror, how does terror happen? It happens when your leader stops coming out due to fear. So, now, no one can stop me from saying whether he is alive or not, whether he has gone, or whether we destroyed him in the airstrike. But there is fear, and this fear is good. They tried to shift all their training centers from POJK to KPK. Least realizing that, brother, our missile can catch an X flying at 314 kilometers. So, you don't have that much depth. Now, by God's grace, we are stepping on BrahMos-II, which has a range of 1500 kilometers. So, the problems for Pakistan are increasing day by day, twice as much, four times as much. This morning at 4 AM, a NOTAM was issued for the Bay of Bengal. A probable missile test. The entire strip, from the Odisha coast to the Chennai, Madras, I am saying Madras, Tamil Nadu coast, the entire strip, a NOTAM was issued. That was a missile testing. So, for Pakistan, the days are very bad right now, and my belief is that India is playing a wait-and-watch policy. Pakistan, at any stage, will get agitated and will definitely press the trigger. You can assume this. Pressing the trigger means trying to attack India with a misadventure. But does it have the strength, the financial resources, because war is a very expensive business, one of the probably the most expensive businesses for a nation to fight is a war. So, does it have the wherewithal, the resources, to fight a proper war? Because America saying something is different, what it does in the morning, what it does in the evening, what it does at night, it doesn't know itself. Do you think they have the resources to fight it? See, the doctrine of the Pakistan Army is that they have to sustain in a war for 10 days. Within 10 days, someone will come and mediate. Someone will come, and in some way, they will manage to survive by dying and falling. See, war is not an option at this time. War is going to become a necessity for them. Because the situation being created in the country, they cannot sustain it, they cannot control it, and there is only one solution to not control it: you have a common enemy. The Pakistani public has been fed Pakistan's demands to such an extent that every child believes that India is the enemy of our country. The child of Pakistan, when he enters ISRO, goes abroad, enters NASA, wins Olympiads, wins quiz competitions, wins spellbees. The child of Pakistan is born with only one thing: we have to do jihad, and we have to finish Hindustan, because the infidel is our enemy. Nowadays, even children have this thought: I want to bring venture capital, create my IPO, start a startup, which, in my opinion, is not even a concept in Pakistan. Startups, IPOs, in 5 years, someone is reaching from where to where. People in India are doing it very frequently now, at different stages. But last, sir, I want to know, because you said in the beginning that Pakistan has an Afghanistan problem, a Balochistan problem. Earlier, their solution was very simple. Any internal problem, former Prime Minister Imran Khan is in jail. Imran Khan is dead. The ISI chief is convicted. So, wage war with India. But now, in a situation where it has to fight with Afghanistan, fight with Balochistan, where it has to fight in that entire belt, does it still have this viable option that India is just a get-out-of-jail card? Because it could also be, for the first time in its history, that Baloch feel this is the best time for our independence. Afghanistan feels it's the best time to reset the border line. And there are also loyalists of the idea of Pakistan in Pakistan who would want this not to happen. So, at this time, it is the best time for Afghanistan and Balochistan. And will the Punjabi Pakistanis consider India the number one target in the same way, or the border line as the number one target? How do you game it out? Ishkaran, see, in the army, they say that when you start digging trenches, it means you are preparing for a war. So, very deep trenches are being dug in Pakistan, and deep trenches that are meant to protect you from nuclear, biological, and chemical warfare. So, six such sites have been selected, and it is said that each site has accommodation for about 1.5 million people, a place to sit. So, it is believed that these places will be utilized by the bosses of the Pakistani army and their families. The soldiers are made to die for them. So, if a war happens, they will go into these. These preparations are underway. Second, you must have seen that in Pakistan at this time, along with the names you mentioned, go a little further. Unrest in Gilgit-Baltistan and Pakistan-occupied Jammu and Kashmir. You must remember, there was a protest all the way to Muzaffarabad. There was firing in it. People are not calm. The news is being suppressed, but people are not calm. Here, we say that we want to take POJK. Let the people be, because until the people become sensible, we have no concern with them. If you cannot drink the medicine of consciousness, you are not welcome in this country. The land is ours, undoubtedly. We will take it. General Katiyar, Western Command Army Commander, has clearly stated that Pakistan only understands when its territory is taken. So, Pakistan's territory is not POJK. POJK is our territory. Okay, that's a legal distinction, a factual but also a legal point. It's ours. He said that smilingly, an unauthorized document. He said that smilingly. Okay, talk to any person from Sindh Desh. They say, "Sir, we want to form a confederation with India. We want merger with India." The idea of Sindh Desh is very clear. We want merger with India. The people of POJK are distressed at this time. They are struggling, but so far, it has not reached a critical mass where they are ready for merger with India. Balochistan has declared that they will achieve their independence in 2027. The Pakistani army is ensuring that it is fast-tracked, and they get independence in 2026. So, I see that in 2026, we might find Balochistan as an independent country, and Sindh Desh again emerging as a powerful entity and asking for merger with India. Khyber Pakhtunkhwa will go its own way. Northern Punjab of Pakistan will remain as a separate part. The southern Seraiki-speaking area will become separate. Because those people also do not match the Northern Punjab there. So, what I see is Pakistan very soon coming to a state where it remains a small piece of land, which is currently Northern Punjab. This is the future I see for Pakistan. Sir, the way you are describing it and the things that are happening, Balochistan, I think, is in its final countdown. But there is only one risk factor in this, that it will try to do a misadventure towards India, which could be a very critical time, for which, obviously, the army and everybody is prepared. But I think in the coming days, in a year or two, that critical time is building up for India as well. Yes, sir. Thank you, sir, for covering all these issues. And whenever these changes are happening, I had Bangladesh on my mind to discuss with you next time, but we had such an engrossing discussion on this that I could not touch it. So, next time we will discuss Bangladesh. Sir, thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you, Kiran.