Pauline Hanson Uncensored - Advocacy, Accountability, Australia

Scott Alan from the Australian Lobby Group, and I spent some time with Senator Pauline Hanson this week representing the Australian Lobby Group with our lobbyist in Canberra, Lochlan Laid. We went down there, met with a number of federal politicians this week, and advocated for our over 10,000 members of the Australian Lobby Group. Your interest on our website, pushing for your policy positions.

We went down there and we asked Pauline a bunch of questions. [music] Questions that you are asking us and questions that you wanted answers to. >> [music] >> Does One Nation support mass immigration? Big question, big answer coming up. Watch this interview, see what you think. It certainly surprised me. Are [music] we bootlicking sycophants for Pauline? Hard no. Does One Nation have problems? Hell yes. [music] Do they need a lot of people to get involved and help it become something that we can use to help create a better Australia? Definitely. I know a lot of people out there are going to vote for Team Orange at the next [music] election, and I don't blame you. I wouldn't trust the two major parties either. Fact is, we are shaping the future of this country. And if you're not in the room, I can tell you who is in the room. I can tell you who is in the room if you aren't in the room. [music] And we are there representing you because we are we have been in those rooms this week. >> [music] >> This is my conversation with Pauline Hanson where I got to ask hard questions. Just segueing back again to the anti-sentiment One Australia guys. You might not like their message, a lot of people might find it a little bit offensive, but does the One Australia Party have a right to exist?

>> [music] >> Interesting journey. I've been following One Nation for such a long time, and I just showed you my a badge that I wore when I handed out how to vote in 1998 for you. >> I know, I know. It was brought back some memories. You know, a voice um a voice of the people, or the voice of the people. Yeah. >> And yeah, it's still the same. That was my first lesson in politics and understanding how preferential voting worked. And and I I must say, I went home that night thinking, "Wow, Pauline's going to win a heap of seats." And you know I mean obviously you got smashed because of the preferential voting system. Labor and Liberal preferencing each other ahead of you. That's how I even lost my own seat. >> That's correct. Even though I was on 36% of the primary vote, Libs were on 21% and with Labor's preferences of 16 or 18% that actually gave them the seat. >> That's correct. Yeah, they got you. And we all sat there and went "Ugh." You know, I'd worked on that booth for 12 hours. >> should have seen my "Ugh." Yeah, [laughter] how much I mean you think about how much wiser are you now compared to when you were back then? You know what? Just the other day I watched my 60 Minutes interview that I did and I thought, "Oh my god." >> [laughter] >> Really? Yeah. Um I've learnt so much over the period of time. It's like anything new that you do in life, whether you're going in your own business, you're starting new job, everyone has to start at the beginning and you learn. And I think that over the years I've learnt experience, knowledge, understanding, wisdom, age, all help. Yeah. It all helps. Must be awesome for you to meet people as well, like you did at Australia Day in Brisbane, that have been following you your and your journey and supporting you all the way back to all the way back to back to the '90s. >> are still members of the party. And on this tour that I've just done this big tour around Australia with the super progressive and I've met people there that were members back in '97, '98, the original members of the party. Unreal. Yeah, so it's it's you [snorts] know, it's very humbling. I'll bet. It really is. And you would have heard a lot of stories from people over the years. I know on Australia Day I had people that had flown in from interstate to tell me their NDIS disaster story and you know, things that are bad that had happened to them, you know, and people want to share that with you constantly. That must be every time you go somewhere you must hear stuff like that. I do. People constantly pulling me up with issues. They're not even in my electorate of Queensland, but I try and help people where I can and just case in point they contact me and it's And it's not about the Australian people, but you know, for compassion reasons and no cost to the taxpayer, trying to get this 16-year-old girl who's got a brain tumor that can have that operation and give her a longer life and all the rest of it can be done here in Australia. And I was in the minister's office yesterday advocating for her to be able to come in the country. No cost to taxpayer whatsoever. And so just little things like that or getting the vaccination or a treatment, not vaccination, but a treatment for, you know, children who have this rare spinal disease or injury and we got the vaccination in Australia and in the first couple of years it saved 26 children's lives. We didn't have it. So these are things that I really Action projects. >> I I am. You know, it's about people just crying out for someone to do something for them. What surprises you the most about what's happening in Australia right now, especially politically with where you are in the political landscape?

[snorts] This mass migration. It's the underlying factor that's impacting on our housing, rental accommodation. People that are coming here have no love of this country, don't want to assimilate. Different to the people that came years ago. And actually, you know those migrants that came out here years ago, they're angry with the ones coming here now. They said, "We came in the right way. We had to pass health tests. We went through this rigid program." And they're saying they can see the change in our country and they don't want to let either. Yeah, that seems like there's a lot of rorts as well that are being used through things like the NDIS and carers visas and then also backdoor entries through places like New Zealand to get into Australia as well. It seems like every time we scratch the surface a little more with the work that we do, we find another 100,000 or another 200,000 people that really aren't on the record, you know? But you got about 100,000 people that overstayed their visas in Australia. >> That's an easy fix, right? >> Yeah, that they that is, but they used our system, then to appeal to the tribunal, and to stay in the country. So, we've got around nearly 400,000 students, you know, people um who have applied to be students in this country. As soon as they get in the country, within 6 months of a year, they then say, "Oh, we're just going to change course. We're going to go to a vet, vocational educational training." Yeah. And then that's a prime example. >> facilitator, potentially. And they're saying they're all labor, potentially. And then they actually then um get a job, so they get a bridging visa, which allows them to work. That's all they want. It's to be in the country to work. And we've got about it's estimated between 10 to 15 billion a year from these people who work in here sending out of the country. >> Yeah, remittances that go overseas. Do you think Australia could survive without Uber Eats? I don't I don't use it. >> No, neither do I. I refuse to use it. Um but I I have this conversation with people, "Oh, well, who's going to deliver the food?" I guess it's that old kind of mentality of who's going to pick the cotton. Well, I don't care who delivers the food. I don't care if we get the food delivered or not. Let's walk to the shop like we used to. Well, that's what I do. Yeah, of course you do. I go to the shop, you know. Um there's drive-thrus. I don't even use the drive-thrus. Very rarely, unless I've got someone in the car, but no. I told my girlfriend I wouldn't go to McDonald's drive-thru. I said, "If you want McDonald's at in a late '70s, I said you'll walk get out and walk across the road." I won't have a driving through. Yeah, well, we can I'm a hard person sometimes. I I know. I felt the handshake on the way in [laughter] here, trust me. Yeah. Um hand was cold, but very firm still. Yeah. Hey, um it's great to be in your office today. We came here to ask you some specific questions, um and and try and help get some clarity out there around messaging. You guys are on a crazy ascendancy at the moment. It's impressive to watch, and the political landscape in Australia is changing so fast right now. We're seeing the the end of legacy structures. I don't think this place is, you know, where we are in Parliament House today is going to look the same in 3 or 4 years time. We certainly hope it isn't and we certainly hope that we've got a much a much stronger opposition or a much stronger leadership class in this country cuz we've been led down the garden path for the last 30 years, right? If we end up with Labor Greens government again, controlling both the houses, I fear for the country. I really do. I think we're getting to a point we can't turn it around and you'd have to have strong radical changes to turn it around. So, they can't get control of both houses and people realizing that now. There were people that played into helping Labor get a supermajority at last election. You know, there is there guys like Advance for example, you know, they put the Greens last which I agree with putting the Greens last. But that campaign, the way the preferences worked, actually helped Labor get a supermajority. Yeah. And uh put us in a situation where it's even harder to fight back now. So, politically it's easy to make a mistake, too. Well, they only got 34.4% of the primary vote. A supermajority. And yet they're government. So, you know, majority people didn't want them anyway as government. But it's the Greens and the Teals and the Teals are just as bad as the Greens and then you've got the moderates in the Liberal Party and the way they their way of thinking, I really am in fear for the country.

>> moderates turfed you out [clears throat] in the '90s, didn't they? That was the the moderates then, you know, found you repulsive. You know, you're >> Well, it was the right um you know, everything I said or questioned about immigration or multiculturalism, she's racist. No, it basically I was thrown out the Liberal Party because I was wanting equality for all Australians. The original actually at the time. Yeah. Aboriginal industry. I was questioning that. Still around today. Look at that industry now. It's probably a hundred times bigger and in worse condition than it was back then. It's probably helping less people. That's right and it hasn't produced the the benefits that it was required. They've done nothing about it. No one wants to question. No one wants accountability. >> Sacred cows, right? Sacred cows. Um couple of questions for you. Free speech, hate speech laws and section 18C. Will One Nation commit to repealing the 2025-26 hate speech laws in full including section 18C and instead rely on existing criminal, civil, and defamation laws being properly enforced rather than expanding special We oppose the hate speech laws and we explained why. I think it's taken away people's freedom of speech or of freedom of opinion. I think that was used also to implement misinformation and disinformation as well. That's wrapped up in that. I think that you've got to have protection for people if they want to go out and preach the hate which creates violence or inciting violence, that needs to be dealt with. But my concern is people have a right to actually have an opinion. So as Anne Twomey said she's a professor in in constitutional law. As she said the way the hate speech laws are, they could use that against me. And if I questioned about immigration or made any comment about multiculturalism or anything like that, they could then impose on me. They're saying it won't, but she made it quite clear it could be used against me. So that's not democracy. That's not freedom of speech and I will repeal them. >> Yeah, there's a line between inciting violence, right? And and free speech. Did did it surprise you that the NSN and the white Australia guys were pretty much wrapped up in these anti-semitism and hate speech laws stuff that came through recently? Were they wrapped up in it? >> Well, I guess they were they were mentioned a lot. You know, every time we should be talking about Islamic terror. For some for some reason they spun this across to the far right. >> Correct. They used them as scapegoats. You know, they were the reason for it. And the the Prime Minister couldn't say radical Islam. Okay? For a long time before he's before he actually said those words. And it is Islam, the teachings of Islam, that is not compatible with our country. And that people must understand. People's beliefs or religion, fair enough, but I'm sorry, I've seen too much in other countries, the impact it's had, Islam on these countries, destroyed the the fabric of that society, the cultural background country. Great Britain's clear case of what's happening. Look at France as well. So, I'm concerned for the future of this nation. >> Yeah, I think we all are. That's why we're having this conversation. That's why you guys are on the ascendancy, but you and you've been consistent with that message. Just with regards to the the misinformation stuff, you guys did vote in favor of amendments that came through earlier in the year. I think I spoke to Malcolm about that. Didn't vote on the original legislation. >> I didn't vote on it cuz I was banned from Parliament. >> you supported the amendments to it though, to try >> but didn't support the whole bill. >> Yeah. And the I think the support was to ensure that it wasn't as bad as it was cuz it was really bad to start with and the amendments were to try and tone it back a little, right? >> Correct. It was also, I think, tied with the state laws as well. So, the state laws, if you hate speech and some of these state laws, you can actually be taken for those for those laws in states. So, we tried to yeah, wind it back because they had the support of the Greens and they had the support of the Labor. No, the Greens didn't want to vote for it, but the Coalition sided with them. >> Yeah. Yeah, well, that's what the One Nation party does. I know. Um just with regards to just segueing back again to the One Nation and the One Australia guys, you might not like their message. A lot of people might find it a little bit offensive, but does the One Australia party have a right to exist? Um yes, they do. Yeah. They do. And it's up to the people of Australia to vote for it or not for it. And and don't take my answer that I support them at all. You know, we've had wonderful people. It's not about the color of your skin, and that's where I don't agree with them. It's not about the color of your skin. It's about the person themselves, and we'd have to look at the character. And I do they want to be Australian? And we've had so many wonderful people here from different cultural backgrounds that are Australian. They come up and they grab me, they embrace me, you know, and and hug me and and they're proud Australians. So, and and now we've moved on. You know, a lot of these people had their children here and they've moved on from it. So, you know, that's in the past. And it should be left in the past, but let the people make their own decisions. If they think their policies are good, they'll vote for it, right? Let them Let the people throw them out, then I'm happy with it. >> The white Australia guys would probably make the argument that they're the most patriotic Australians that they But it's not about patriotism. It's got nothing to do with it. They're defining people on the color of their skin. That's their drive. Yeah. It it is their drive. You know, and that's why I was always ridiculed as called racist because I question things. Got nothing to do with the color. I've had people from all different cultural backgrounds stand as candidates for One Nation. >> Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad you clarified that though, so thank you for that. Lucky, can we check the cameras are still running, mate? They are, yes. Yep. No worries. Um just with regards to online regulation, age verification, and censorship, will One Nation commit to repealing mandatory online age verification and digital duty of care laws, and instead revert to a content ratings-based framework such as the existing Australian classification system, placing responsibility back with adults and parents rather than the state? I agree with you there because as I've heard from teachers and and parents and students that they use YouTube for educational purposes, for research, and what they need. Yes, you do need to put the responsibility to back in the parents' hands. A lot of the parents are lazy, and they use this as an excuse because, you know, they haven't got time to watch what the kids are doing, so they've left it up to government. What you're doing is you're slowly letting go of your responsibility over your own children, thinking the government will do your job you should be doing as a parent. And what annoys me more is you're quite happy to relinquish that and stand by the government's control of this. But do you really know what's happening in our classrooms and what they're teaching our kids in the classrooms? You'd be horrified what's going on there. So, I wouldn't give the government any control >> [laughter] >> at all. No, I >> Yeah, the education sector's a whole 'nother basket of issues, right? But I mean, any time we allow the state into our house and into our lives, we we lose a little bit more freedom, right? And so It is. And, you know, there there's three things. Governments are there for adhere to the Constitution, the rule of law, and the econo- economic stability of the nation. Yeah. Get out of the business of telling people how to run their business and their lives. >> Yeah. The more government has encroached over the last 30 years, it's gotten harder and harder and harder to run businesses. We've We've got record business collapses. One in three small businesses don't expect to make it in the next 12 months. I mean, these are This is data that the government isn't talking about. And I'll tell you a lot of things, too, is you got more people out there on antidepressant tablets. >> Good point. And you got more people suiciding. Yeah. Around about 11 a day. In a country like this, it's horrendous what's happening. >> Yeah. And people feel A lot of guys A lot of guys in that 11, too. A lot of men. I know. I know. I can tell you. I went out to the lawns last year. Yeah. Two 2,529 men and boys suicided in a year. >> Yeah. So, I know what I'm talking about with this, and I've supported them all the time. But no one wants to talk about this. And that's what annoys me is that it's all about, you know, women's rights, whether it's in the family law courts, or, you know, we should have a a women's a minister for women, and we're going to look at after women's health issues. It goes on and on. Women's pay rights. You know, equal pay. They get equal pay. Yeah. But It's illegal for I own five businesses. It's illegal for me to pay the women at a different rate than the men for the same job. You can't pay them the same pay. All the same is because they might take time off to have some children You won't find any difference between men and women. >> Correct. It's a it's a myth. It's a bloody scam they're putting out there and telling the people. And they say, "No, women should be paid." Listen, women do get paid the same rights for the same same pay for the same job. Yeah. Hey, with immigration and welfare reciprocity, will One Nation commit to repealing reciprocal income support agreements with foreign nations given Australia is a net importer of migrants and these arrangements place additional strain on domestic welfare systems. And with regards that, I'm talking about the in particular the India-Australia pension agreement that we have where we will pay pensions to Indian people that have moved here. But they're meant to pay pensions to Australians that moved there, but no Australians move to India. I've been there. I wouldn't be packing up going there in the near [laughter] future. So, anyway. So, would you would you look at that stuff and go, "This has got to end." >> It's ridiculous. And the same as your health care. So, if you go to it's reciprocal also with health care. You've got a country with 65-70 million people with 27 million. So, you get more visitors coming out here than what you will Australians going over there you know, for health care. The it needs everything. It needs to be cut back and the balance put back in the place. And the >> Yeah, the first place to cut is like the the people that are coming in here. Let's cut all that that welfare that that stuff that's being sucked up, right? That should be going to Australians, but it's not. For some reason. Our welfare bill, I don't know if you're aware of it, it's around about 300 billion a year. >> It's huge, right? It is. About 40-50% of our budget. It's >> almost our the biggest industry as welfare and and obviously Look after the aged, look after the sick and that type of thing, but you you can't have people on welfare been on welfare for 20, 30, 40 years, fourth, fifth generation now. It's got to stop. >> We're building generational welfare schemes here with the NDIS now though, right? Like the NDIS budget is going to be bigger than the defense budget next year and it's on track to bankrupt the country. Do you think Bill Shorten lies awake at night staring at the sky thinking, "What have I done?" Uh I'm going to pull you up on that because I'll tell you what, Bill Shorten was the best minister in in NDIS. Yeah. And yeah, the the two useless ones were Stuart Robert and um Linda Reynolds. Okay. So they got us to where we are here now. [clears throat] Correct. Right. And they did nothing. Yeah. And I worked with Bill on it. Bill cut out cuddle therapy and all these trips and all and everything else associated with that and I stood beside Bill. It could be cut back a lot more, work to be done on it, but I did work with Bill and he did try to cut back and he cut back that legislation he introduced to cut it back a billion dollars. And I went to Peter Dutton and Sukkar and I said, "You've got to back this legislation." And he said, "No, we can get more out of it." Guess what? Three months later, another cost of a billion dollars Yeah. to the taxpayer. Yeah. They did nothing about it. >> Where's Peter Dutton and Michael Sukkar now? Yeah. Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. I'll give credit where credit's due. And Bill Shorten and I stand by that. Okay. He did try to do a good job with I appreciate the the historical clarification cuz that that's an important point to make. The NDIS was designed for 80,000 badly disabled people. We currently have 800,000 and growing. It's it's 10 times what it was ever designed to be. >> 52 to 55 billion at the moment. Expected to to grow to 100 billion by 2030. >> defense cuts where we're not buying the hardware we need for the insurance policy in our current geopolitical strategically bad area, you know? Don't worry, I'm targeting NDIS and I'm getting information sent through. We've got a lot of people coming to this country that are allowed from other countries into Australia and their kids are getting on NDIS almost immediately or people onto it. We've got providers coming in from other countries and to get onto the NDIS scam to become providers. >> Yeah, that's right. There's a there's an adjusted visa entrance system here. You can come in older in your 50s get a visa to come to Australia work in aged care or NDIS care and have a lower English standard as well. If you go work in a remote area. So that's why Alice Springs has 5,000 people from India. Yeah. I mean I'm not really specifically targeting the Indian people but that 25,000 people in Alice Springs one in five people is from India. >> I have a real problem when they can't speak English and I'm hearing it all the time. >> Imagine elderly parents being looked after by someone who can't speak English. >> speak English. >> Yeah. I I was told there's an Indian teacher in in Western Australia that was brought in never taught. Um he wasn't a teacher brought in at 50 and he's actually teaching the kids that can't understand him. Sounded like the air hostess on our flight this morning. They're going to end up an absolute basket case in this country because these are the future generations. If they're not getting a decent education where the hell are we going to be? And I'll tell you what you're going to be bringing in people from overseas to fill the positions because our kids don't have the qualifications. We're fools. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, we've been almost had it too good for too long but now we're at the tipping point, right? >> Well, I'll tell you what I'm going to go in there if I can in any position it'll be a lot of slash burn and questions accountability. Well, when we talk about accountability one of the biggest things that we see in the in the people that follow my social media content and the guys that I work with is affordability for houses, right? And we we know that in I think it was 2008 Kevin Rudd introduced a policy where foreign students could buy houses in Australia. Is Is something that One Nation would look to potentially repeal? >> of our policies to stop it. Yeah. This is all in our policies with immigrant foreign ownership. I've been pushing that for years now. It was at the last election, the Labour Party said, "We'll stop foreign ownership of our housing for 2 years." And so did the Libs, followed my policy. So, they're following my lead in a lot of a lot of these policies. But, I'm not putting the a limit on it. >> do it, though. It's indefinite. And I'll tell you what they did. In 2017, we had 60 um 63,000 approximately 63,000 foreign homes in Australia. Now, they're supposed to fill in a report um and give it to the government of where those houses are lived in or not. Only 8 and 1/2 thousand supplied that report. Yeah. So, they didn't even report. No, they don't. It's not followed up. >> would have forfeited the house at that point and taken ownership of it. The The state would take it back. >> My attitude is, if you own a foreign-owned house in the country, Yeah. then um you're not living here, then that house I would give you about oh, what's fair? 12 months or 2 years to sell up that house. If you don't sell up the house, it will be actually repossessed. Yeah, you'd have to have some pretty good uh scrutiny on that to make sure they're not fudging, pretending to have someone in there as well. >> But, a lot of them the kids come out here, foreign students, they're allowed to buy an established house. Yeah. And they're buying the house and they're supposed to sell it before they leave the country. They don't. They hold on to it. So, the Foreign Investment Review Board doesn't chase this up. >> Well, a lot of the students don't leave the country, either. They They use it as a pathway to my citizenship and end up living here and they own a house, you know? And then they have assets, you know, potentially in Australian dollar citizenship and they own >> buy a house when they're coming out as a foreign student. And I'd send them back once they do the course. You You apply for that course, fine. You go back. After you do the course, you're not allowed to stay in the country. And then you apply again if you want to do another course, you apply again. Yeah. 2.1 2.9 temporary um million visa holders here, 2.9 million temporary visa holders. A lot of them are students, obviously. The university sector just soaks these guys in for cash, right? The university sector is massive. And they're encouraging 80% of of kids to go to university now. I own a building company, I can't find apprentices. We can't get tradesmen. We've got a huge trade shortage now because we're not training kids. Because we're pushing everyone through to university with a HECS debt. It's crazy. This this university sector is insane. How does that make you feel? Well, it does because a lot of people aren't academics and shouldn't be going pushed onto university to end up with a HECS debt and at the end of it they they failed, they they come out with no job. Um, to do it. I think we we haven't put enough credit into tradie jobs or other jobs where they can Yeah. do it. And we're allowing a lot of kids in the universities that don't have a even a 50% pass. >> Yeah. And >> come out with debt. >> Yeah, and it's a big problem. Even some of these students are frustrated because they're going into classes with all these foreign students. And some of some of the um, classes are being taught in their language, Mandarin. Yeah, crazy. And they're angry about it. >> why can't they study in over where they they are then and just do it online? It's um, estimated a lot of them actually don't go to university, they do it online. If you can do it online, do it online in your own country. >> Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Um, look at we're clear on that one. Uh, I guess this leads into will One Nation commit to ending the use of student visas as a de facto pathway to permanent residency here? They wouldn't be able to apply for it, they'd have to go back to their own country and go through the channels like any other migrant coming out to Australia. >> Yeah. Do you think we could um, slash those uh, university numbers as well and try and pull the university sector >> 200 Yeah, they put it to 295,000, but the university's screwing about it. I mean, so your universities get propped up to the tune of billions of dollars of the taxpayers. They're a charity, classified as a charity, a not-for-profit organization. >> they're not. Did you know that? >> Correct. >> Yeah. So, Sydney University with 70,000 students on the books doesn't pay a dollar in tax. Correct. >> So, they've got all this money coming in and then you've got these professors and that type of thing, you know, they actually get redundancy and then they rehire them again. And this is what all the money is being wasted. And I know from people inside they are hopeless at managing their money. These are academics. They have no idea about balancing the balancing a budget. Yeah. >> Yeah. Um cost of living, excise, and income tax is a really big one that we see a lot of people talking about all the time. Will One Nation support a wholesale halving at minimum of all excise taxes as an immediate cost of living measure to help people? >> We pushed to actually reduce the excise tax on fuel. So, we we did that. Morrison took up that policy of ours for 6 months. We've put call for it again to cut that. That would actually help all the transport companies, farmers, um moms and dads, everyone out there, small business if we did that. Um and I'd also see like to see on um alcohol Yeah. what we've said is cut the tax on alcohol that's sold at hospitality venues. So, it'll encourage people to go back to these um hospitality venues. You still pay the tax if you go in through the drive-through or you pick up some alcohol to take home with you. You do that but cut that tax Yeah. whether it's on spirits or beer, everything at um hospitality venues. But, stop that increase every year. And it's a few years ago again um so, a bottle of rum at that time if it cost [clears throat] $38, $27 was in tax. >> That's crazy, right? That's right. >> Yeah. So, what we're paying tax, even cigarette tax, it's unbelievable. So, they make a tune of both the taxes together around about 17 billion a year. That's why they're raking in, especially from legal cigarettes. And by increasing the excise on cigarettes, what they've done is increase the black market. >> 100%. Every one I know would not smoke. Every one of them is smoking illegal chop tobacco they're buying stuff buying stuff under the counter. No one I know smokes legal cigarettes. >> got illegal gangs making this money out of it. They can't see it. They're stupid because they don't see the end result. And that's why I was saying, cut it. Yeah. I've always wondered about like a pack of cigarettes is quite large, right? If you're going to bring in a black market of cigarettes like we currently have, these things are going to be coming in in shipping containers, right? They're massive. How are we not picking these things up? >> It's been for years. And I picked this up in '97, '98. Do you know that we only check one shipping container out of every 100? Uh look [clears throat] at >> And it's probably worse now. >> Yeah, it's probably worse. >> So that So they're not checking it. They only pick out certain certain companies that they keep an eye on. And a lot of the other stuff gets through. >> So if organized crime is using illegal tobacco to fund like some pretty nefarious activities in this country, I mean, why would we continue And I've seen politicians in Senate estimates and stuff say that the it's working, that we're reducing smoking rates, that there is no black market, you know. We know they're not. You know they're not. They've got nothing to do with reducing. All they want is their their money coming into the coffers. That's all about. It's not about health. You can't stop people. If smoking is legal, then fine. It's up to person's individual choice whether they want to smoke, whether they want to drink, or gamble, whatever. You know? I don't want someone telling me whether I can have a glass of wine or you know, I don't smoke, but that's that's my choice. >> Yeah. Don't take my choice away from If it's legal, then you're enabled to do it. >> Yeah. Either make it illegal or make it legal, one or the other, right? So Correct. Yeah. And then why should the government rely so much on that that revenue support? But the government's broke, right? They need as much money as they possibly can to continue to fund the departments. >> The departments that are out there sucking up all the resources. >> your own spending. Just Just rip the guts out of everyone. Yeah. Well, the cost of living is obviously one of the really big ones, right? I mean, as economic managers, I mean, you're a bit of a slash and burn person when I talk to you. They cut, cut, cut, cut, cut. What are some things that you'd like to see money put into? >> Okay. We can save 90 billion a year from the taxpayer. Um if we cut climate change department, that'll be 30 billion a year. Then you've got the Aboriginal industry, that's another 30 to 40 billion a year for everyone to treat it equally in the same regardless of cultural background. You get the assistance and help that you need. Um then you've got um NDIS. I'm not saying get rid of it, but it can have a lot of cutback in that. And it shouldn't be increasing at the rate that it is. Um so, it should be set up for what it was meant to be set up for, and that's for people with those disabilities. I saw the parents here, and they came to speak to me about it, and you should see their children. And they said, "Look, we're struggling to look after the kids, and we just want to make sure that when they're when we're not here, they're looked after." I understand that. But you've got kids with mild autism and these other things are on NDIS. They should not be on it. Chronic fatigue shouldn't be on it. No, because you're overweight cuz you couldn't couldn't, you know, stop your weight increase. That's your problem, not the taxpayer have to fund you. Or trips away or buying your alcohol or drug or or, you know, Well, we know it's being scammed and rorted, you know, that's that's the problem, right? And and there's a lot of stuff that's that we're starting to see now of just fake care centers and people that you know, there's a lot of fraud happening. >> to people, you know, they say they should have a quality of life. Well, if you're struggling, and a lot of the country is people living in their cars, and, you know, they don't they're not on NDIS, and they don't have a decent roof over their head. They don't have a decent, you know, um provisions for clothing and all the rest of it, then why should the taxpayer fund someone just because you've got a a disability for a quality of life. What's the difference with these people who aren't on it to have those services? What quality of life do we all want? Why should the It's about just making sure that you are given the service that you require for your health condition. It's not a matter of we're going to pay for you to have a holiday. >> Yeah. That's your quality life. A lot of people would like the government to pay for their holiday. >> Yeah. We've got to get real about this. >> Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah, some reality bringing that back to it. There seems to be a containment bubble here that doesn't understand how the rest of Australia is feeling. >> I'll tell you another thing, too. All the housing that's been built out there now, new housing, do you know they have to be built a compliant with someone in a disability? >> I do because I own a building company. >> [laughter] >> So, you know about it. Yeah. So, to build your new your bathroom in your house now, I've been told by the builder >> to be future-proof for disability access. Yeah. That could cost you about $16,000. >> the ramp access, plus the thermal energy uh the requirements under the new code as well. >> if you're house you're building, why do you have to make it compliant for someone with a disability? >> Well, interestingly enough, as we walked we walked in here today and I was pointing out to to Locky who's with me that the balustrade in the foyer area is non-compliant anymore because it's not high enough, right? So, when this building was built, the balustrade was legal height. Now it's higher, that balustrade if you amended it would have to all be replaced to meet the current code requirements, right? So, you know, one thing was okay 20, 30 years ago, now it's not okay. And so, what we've done made houses more expensive as we go. >> It is, but the public has to pay for that. >> right. If that's your house, that's where you want it. Why would you and possibly someone with a disability may never ever ever be in it? So, why add the extra cost to >> Well, they're trying to stop that that cost from going to the NDIS for home upgrades later. That's what they're doing. Yeah. How ridiculous is that? >> Because the NDI A big chunk of the NDIS budget is house upgrades for people with disabilities and their houses. >> I'd wipe that. Yeah. Sorry, I don't think that's feasible. The government thinks that it should be the provider of housing in this country. When they talk about incentives to build I I state governments constantly going oh we're doing a social housing project and we're going to build 500 houses and we're going to be supply 17,000. We're going to do this, we're going to do that. >> Oh, like Klaus Schwab said you'll never own anything and you'll be happy. >> [laughter] >> Great line. Yeah. So that's what it's about. So you'll be reliant on the government to put the roof over your head. So you're reliant. So therefore you're going to vote for us all the time. They can switch you on and switch you off. >> Where's it to encourage people own their own home? Be be independent. Yeah. Do you think Australia's lost a lot of that spirit, that entrepreneurial spirit because of the state coming down on us now? I do in some way. The younger generation have this attitude that everyone owes them something and they don't know how to go without. And when in my day and age and even before that, you know, we worked hard, long hours. 15, I had two jobs. Right? So I used to have my daytime job of working from 8:30 till 5:00 in the afternoon. Then on a Thursday night I'd come and change in my uniform and at 15 I would actually waitress on tables from 6:00 to 1:00 in the morning. Yeah. And then and then I'd get up and do my other job. Do you know I'm talking to now? Hairdressers, car builders, carpenters, whoever, tradies, they said we can't get the young ones. They're so damn tired to work or even turn up on time or they're on the phone. We can't tell them they're unreliable. They don't want to employ them. They haven't got the work ethic. Mhm. And that's where our country's going. That's why we're bringing in so many people from overseas to fill these positions. And if our kids don't wake up themselves, you're never going to own anything. You're going to be in this, you know, this quandary for the rest of your life that you won't have a quality of life. We're going to be third world if we don't get our act together. >> One of the things that I've noticed since So, got involved with the social media content over the last couple years. And specifically for me, it was building industry related. That's how I kind of got to this point, making content about how bad the building industry was and how bad government was at managing this industry that's collapsing constantly. And what I found was that I'm in these social media places now and on these platforms and got this following, connected with all these other people, and I got a a better understanding of these younger kids, these Gen Z kids. And and having daughters of my own in that Gen Z bracket as well, I found that a lot of them have checked out from society cuz they don't see a future for themselves. They really honestly don't look at this place and see that there's a spot for them in Australia because they're being replaced. There's migrants coming in like crazy and they know they'll never own a house at 13 times earnings. It's never going to happen. So, it's easy to fall into that trap. >> out also because they think the the world's the world's coming to an end. And that's where look at Greta Thunberg, you know. >> Yeah, that's crazy stuff. >> been taught to them in the educational system. >> 100%. They don't think they'll be around. A lot of these ones are saying, "We're not going to have children because of the type of the world that we're going to bring them into." And that's where they're being brainwashed. >> So, I don't think they're lazy. I just think that they've checked out. >> No, I'm sorry. The There are a lot out there lazy. I'll tell you what, I've got a grandson that's a bit lazy like that. I can't get him on to do that. >> Grandma's not going to kick him up the bum. >> Oh I do. Yeah. Don't worry, I do. No. >> I think if we create the right incentives, we can get these kids moving. Yeah, but Yeah. Okay. No, I'm sorry. It starts in the house. >> Sure. Because they But that's part of the incentives, right? >> winge because they've got to wash up. All these people dishwashers now. Do you ever get a kid washing up? Do you ever get the kid to actually go and make their own bed? I was ironing my own school uniform at 13 and 14 years of age. You know, these kids um they winge because they might take the have to take the rubbish out. How many actually get out there and mow the yard? >> Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. I see it all the time. >> let my daughters do it because they're not as good as me at it, so. >> [laughter] >> But if we don't I mean like we grew up in our house, my daughters we never had a dryer,

So, we had to hang our washing out. We didn't have a dishwasher, so we had, and we had no microwave. So, you had to cook proper food, you had to hang the washing out, and there was nothing else to do with dishes for you.

But, I still do that. No, I hang out my wash. I don't have a dryer, I hang out my washing. I actually cook all the time. I don't really ever buy takeaway unless I'm going.

So, but you made that choice and raised your children like that as well.

I even bake my own bread, I make my own ice cream and cake and everything. I still do that.

That's why you look so fit.

I'm a mum of three. And I don't use my dishwasher. Yeah. Unless I've got a whole crowd of people and just to alleviate them of the washing up. Yeah. They see that a lot of our audience, or a lot of my audience, and a lot of the people that supported us are millennials and Gen Z kids, right? And so, they want to hear some hope for the future. They want to know that there's something in this place for them. And a lot of them feel like the country's stacked all the all the odds against them, you know? They shouldn't have to, because this is why I pushed for the apprenticeship scheme, which the government took up. Morrison government took it up. And that scheme is that if you put on apprentice, the government will pay 75% of first year's wage, 50% of second, and 25% of third. And that's to encourage them to put it on. That pilot program was taken up at 1,360 in 3 weeks.

Yeah. And that was so successful, they wanted to extend it. Um, we need to bring that back again.

Subsidy now for me for my carpentry apprentices is 2%. It's 2%. For what? For their wages. I only get 2% of their income as a subsidy from the government. And so, there's no federal incentive, and people have had a go at me saying, "Oh, you just want the government to pay your apprentices." No, actually, they're not very capable and they don't have many skills. So, in order to get through that part until they learn something, the subsidy actually helps you cover that.

People don't understand, okay? I was in a plumbing business with my husband, we employed three apprentices, so you have to understand, the first year, you cannot leave them by themselves. You have to have a tradie with them constantly all the time. You can't leave them alone. They're of no. They're actually correct. They're a loss to your to your bottom line until they get to a stage probably in the third or fourth year that you might start making some money out of them. So, people have to understand um what's going on, and that's where I think apprenticeships, and we need to do that. I'd rather homegrown than bringing in people from overseas. Um as far as the young ones, I'd like to have that Australian dream. I stopped pushing kids on the further education. That's a debt to them that they don't need. Give them hope that there are other um areas for them to go into. What I'd like to at the educational system, they have to go through a program that will actually put them in the right direction of what they're geared for. You know, where should you lead? You might be a great engineer. You might be an architect. You might be taxation agent, all these type of thing. And I don't think we put enough into the children, because kids don't know where they want to go. But once they do a test that really might lead them in a direction, then they don't go waste their years and time.

Well, you'd remember, I mean, I'm 53, right? But when I got to year 10 at 15 years old, I was told you've got two choices, mate. You either go into year 12 and go to university, or you're going to get a trade. Which one's it going to be? That was it. It was like there was two pathways. And um you know, fortunately, I did go to year 12, and then I I ended up doing an apprenticeship years later anyway. But I didn't I never went to university. But the it was a clear choice, you know? We got kids into apprenticeships at 15. It was much easier to get a driver's license as well. A lot of these kids can't get into apprenticeships, and I have this issue, cuz they can't get a driver's license. You know, but you if you're a kid from India coming to Australia, you can walk straight into Queensland Transport and drive on your Indian license in Australia. Yeah, they've stopped that. Because international drivers will have to do a test, especially if they're doing truck driving. They have to do the test, pass the Australian road rules, and pass that. And I'd also want um first-time license holders in Australia, whether you're a young kid first time, or whether you my my mother got it at 50, 55 years of age or if you got international driver's license must do a defensive driving course. Must pass that before they get their license here in Australia.

Sure. Yeah, I think we can incorporate that into education. I think that could be part of the school curriculum. Actually, I would like to see kids learn to drive earlier. Yeah. I get I get them driving at 15.

Don't because that's cost again to the taxpayer. It's like we don't buy their car, we don't fill up their car with fuel. It's your choice if you want to have a license to drive. That's all part of you getting your driver's license. It's not up to the taxpayer again to pay for you. This is all part of getting your license.

But what we did with drivers and I'll only push back a little bit here cuz we're going to segue, but having put four daughters through driver's licenses now, right? And having to pay instructors because you've got to have a certain amount of paid hours in the 100 hours that they had to do. What we did was we built roadblocks to them getting a license. Long wait time to book in a license if you failed the test as well. Plus they had to add to have a certain amount of hours done by a licensed driving school. So what it did was it put a cost in position. Now I could afford it, that's great, but what about people that don't are in those lower income families? How do we help them?

Matter people can afford or can't afford things. It doesn't matter in life. Can you afford to go to and see the movies, you know? Yeah. These are different things. Can you afford to buy that steak or you have to buy a sausage?

Yeah. So everyone's facing that cost. Can we afford it? Yeah. All the time in our lives. But you can't expect the taxpayer to pay to pay for it all the time. You can't.

Yeah. You know, if you want things in life, then you go with that and you work for it.

Sure. Go and get a job. And a lot of people out there I know have two and three jobs just to pay the mortgage and I feel for that. We've lost the family that is where where you know, when I grew up, mom was at home. Most of mothers were home raising the kids. And one wage actually paid the bills. Now both have to. And the cost of housing and everything there, that comes from government policies over the years. And it's government greed because they keep increasing the taxation, whether it's stamp duty, whether it's businesses with the provisional tax, or whether it's, you know, payroll tax.

State, federal, local councils, all of it. They're taking more than ever before. Yeah. Yeah.

That's where we have to cut back. More efficiency. Get rid of the so many public servants that we have. Do you know they're wanting to increase the number of uh politicians here now? Do you know they're wanting to increase the number of senators to in every state by two?

They want to gerrymander the system and have more left-leaning politicians.

Opposing this. It's going to be a one nation's benefit. We don't need any more politicians.

Well, I think what we need in Australia is more states, to be honest with you. If we're going to have more politicians, let's have more states. You know, I think we could create more more regional areas, like North Queensland, for example, could potentially be a great state. And I think You don't You don't agree?

No. No, I do. I think that's a good spot.

Putting more politicians in. Yeah. Because you create another state in Queensland, you're going to have another 12 senators for that state. And then you then you then you go and actually have an another state government up there. But the whole fact is, why don't we We're the only state that doesn't have an upper house. So, what my plan is is to actually lead the whole state as a whole, form an upper house in Queensland, then split it into regions where you have that representation across the whole state, take it out of the southeast. Yeah. Whereas central, north Queensland will have that representation.

The problem with Queensland though, it has a centralized power structure down in the southeast corner there. You know, and the biggest council in the world, Brisbane Brisbane council, and terrible. I'm in that Brisbane council area, my rates are through the roof, you know. We've got an LNP state government. I feel like I feel like we have a lot of conversations about dumb stuff in Australia instead of nation building. Yeah. But that's what I would do. And I also, you know, if you create the uh house, but I wouldn't create more politicians. I'd reduce the number of members in the lower house to create the upper house.

Yeah, sure. So, we'd end up with the same amount of politicians, if not less.

Think Australia's talking about politicians.

No, that's why I'm cutting it back. Yeah, yeah. Do you remember we had the referendum to um legitimize our count local government in the uh in the constitution, and that was soundly defeated. Thank god, you I opposed it.

Yeah, 100%. Because you would give them the right to make. And I'll tell you where that would have headed. Um if you gave them the right to be government and make their own laws, you would then have seen Australia Sharia law. Yeah. As what's happened in England. So, you can't give these local governments the right to form their own.

Yeah, Australia wasn't going to let that happen anyway. Look, we'll wrap it up pretty quickly. Couple of quick ones for you. Um obviously, I represent Australian Lobby Group. I'm here with Lachlan today, and uh we think this is a great initiative. We got thousands and thousands of people to sign up and uh and get us here. Locky's going to be our full-time lobbyist based in Canberra, so hopefully you'll see his pretty head floating around a fair bit. One of our key policy positions is an end to mass immigration in Australia. And you we've already touched on immigration. Um we don't think that there's a safe number at the moment until we have a proper debate about what the future of Australia looks like. And no one's getting the chance to have that debate. Um how do you feel about our position that we just want to shut the gates completely? We're still got people coming in on visas to work in regional areas, we understand that. Shut the gates and have a proper conversation about what the future of Australia looks like.

Yeah. Look, I've put a number on there, 130,000 a year. All right? We used to have about 80,000, 100,000 a year, and that was in the early '90s. Um you've got a lot of families out there who would dearly love to have their loved one come out to Australia. I think that you've got to have a bit of a door open there. We've got up to 200,000 people that leave our country every year. Yeah. So, all you're doing is we're even if we replace them around about 130,000, we're still going, you know, managing and manage by um people that come in that with the, you know, the skills that we need. As I said, this country is going backwards because we we don't have the right people, the skills to come and fill those positions here that we need. It's not just about visas. People want to come out here to make a life change for them, but bring those skills, whether they're doctors or, you know, people that we really need their skills. So, you've got to leave the door open to make that permanent move cuz on visas they won't bring out their families.

Mhm. And make that permanent move. That can be reviewed. Have a look at the immigration. I've I've been strong on immigration since 1996, and I have always stated this. So, it's who we bring to the country. I'd put a stop to these countries even getting visas in the country if they won't take their own citizens back. Mhm. So, you've got to have a reciprocal. If we deny them to stay in the country, that that country they've come from must take them back. If they don't take them back, you don't allow them to come here. Sure. Certain countries I wouldn't have them come in. I'll tell you what, the country that the females wear the burqa and come in the country, they wouldn't be allowed in. No. Don't want you. Yep. They're not going to assimilate into our culture way of life.

Make you feel knowing in the last 2 years that less than 2% of the migrants we brought into Australia had any construction skills? I know that the figures there. We we had a 190,000.

Of people came through family visas, you know, like this is, you know, bringing family members out. Where's the builders? Where's the carpenters? There's none of that.

It wasn't. It was only about just over 5,000 were brought in. 190,000 applied for it in the last year, 23-24. And of that, only um 5,000 were in the construction, and in total it it covers whether it's plumbing, the construction, that type thing. So, in total, only 11,000 were actually um people in the construction industry. And if you go back to 22-23, there was 739,000 that came in. 51,605 were actually skilled migrants, but only 1,800 in the construction industry.

Crazy. So, it's a scam. And a fellow friend of mine said to me, he said it he had carpet layers and the fellow was laying the carpet wrong. He said, "Listen, mate." He said, "That's not how you lay it." He's Vietnamese. He said, "Where did you get your trade?" "Oh, on YouTube." Skilled. He watched some YouTube videos. Yeah.

That's what we're getting. And I've heard of that plasterers in the construction industry. Now, they're not up to our standards, these ones that we're allowing into the country. And it's a crying shame because once we lose the really good tradesmen cuz my husband was a plumber and he had he was a bloody good tradie he was. And I worked on the tools with him. So, I know the experience and knowledge that you have. And then if we have these people in the country and they're classified as having this trade, who's to say who they're going to treat teach the next ones coming along?

Sure. That's right. It's the shittification we call it. Things get worse and worse and worse and worse. Yeah. That's a good way to phrase it. Um just with regards to the other main policy of the Australian Lobby Group is we want to see an end to foreign lobbying in Australia. We think that foreign interests have got their fingers into the pie here and they're influencing legislation and rules that are coming in to make it harder for Australians. How does that make you feel? What they've got to look at, make sure you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Sometimes what's happening over there, no, I don't believe in being foreign bought and I won't. Um but you can also learn from a lot of that what's happening. And I'll give you a case point that I'm chasing up at the moment brought to my attention about gold and about silver. So, when we we don't have any tests for it, so a lot of the jewelers that they're finding now is that what you're buying may not be 18 karat and it's not up to standard. But I've learned that here you have in England they have a standard, but we don't do it in Australia. So, I'm I'm going to chase it up to have an investigation into it. And that was brought to me by people so depends on what you what you're looking at what you might learn from other countries.

Sure. That will help us in Australia the same thing was nothing was gender dysphoria I've closed down those clinics so you've got to look at foreign policy but it as far as wanting to change Australia I don't agree.

Pension agreement that we have with India I mean that happened because a foreign lobby pushed for that in Australia.

I don't agree with that right? And so that's what we mean by foreign lobby these foreign interests that is good for them not good for us.

No it's not and a lot of these free trade agreements that we've signed on um I've opposed them for years and years I want to get out of the UN and who and all the rest of it they're not they're not friends of ours they're pushing their own agenda so I've been very strong in that and so is Malcolm Roberts. So you know everything that I do is always will go back to the people and the country.

Australia first. Correct.

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