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This dude hits me up on Instagram and he's like, "Oh, have you heard of OnlyFans?" And I was like, "No, what's that?" And he told me, like, he's a manager. He manages multiple girls and he offered to manage me. That's where we started.
"Wow, are you still with the same manager?"
"Hell no."
"I didn't think so. When you say started, was he just taking pictures of you, or were you doing..."
"Um, he actually, ironically, I never met him. Yeah, yeah. Um, and he lived in Orlando. Uh, but it was just me, like, homemade, uh, pictures, solos for the first year. I did completely solos, nothing else, just picked nudes and solos."
"So how did you start to expand beyond that?"
"It was, so it was when I fired him. He deleted all my social medias and he took my OnlyFans."
"Wow. He had all your logins?"
"Yeah, girl. Cuz he was also like managing. Do this."
"Oh, girl, I didn't, I did not know."
"No, I'm just saying it for other girls who might be watching. If anyone wants to manage you, don't let them take more than 30% and do not give them any access to anything."
"Facts. I had to. But after I fired him, he goes and deletes everything within the two days. So I was like, [ __ ]. And, um, at the time, I had like 150k on Instagram and I was already constantly getting deleted, but he would get me back up. But obviously, I just fired him. So I was like, [ __ ] this [ __ ] [ __ ] Instagram. I'mma just stay with Snap and Twitter. Um, when I got on Twitter, that's when I was like, oh, [ __ ], people collab, people do collaborations. So I started doing collabs and then majority of the people that you do collabs with obviously like shoot prop porn. And then I was like, H. Did a little bit of research on agencies and chose my agency and went."
"But you really, did you want to do the agency 'cause you wanted like more collaborative experiences, or was it just because you wanted to get bigger on social media?"
"I just wanted the more like more connections. I wanted to be able to connect with more. Cuz I knew I already know like companies don't probably want to deal with the model directly. Um, so I just said agency gave me the connections, of course the exposure and the check comes with it. But I'd rather the connections over anything else."
"So your parent, your parents were furious about the notion of you even sleeping with a guy. How do they, are they aware? Like, how have they kind of taken this?"
"They actually recently found out. Was three years in."
"Oh my god."
"Ex, my friend. And the way they even found out, it was, it's not even like them finding out themselves. It was somebody hating on me and they might see this [ __ ]. You, um, they hating on my ass and they went and they made a Facebook account and they DM'd my mom and they told her."
"Right. Is this person like related to you?"
"I don't know. I mean, any girl who's going to choose to do porn realistically, that should be something you have in your mind is that the, that day this is the kind of thing that will probably happen sooner. Don't get me wrong, hell yeah. But I honestly expected them to find out themselves because my dad watches porn and I myself have been on PornHub plenty of times where I see myself as a top ad or like a suggested video. I'm like, I already know I'm just going to wait for it to hit for them to hit me up."
"What did they think you were doing with the, until they found out?"
"Um, I told them I was working at a dispensary."
"And I told them a dispensary?"
"Yeah. And I told them a dispensary in specific because I wanted to make sure it's not a business that they can walk into. The joke is that like guys would be dispensing [ __ ], you know what I mean?"
"Sorry, just technically spell that out. Clarify."
"So how did they react once they figured out?"
"Oh, they were, they were mad. Like going to kill you mad, or just like, we don't like you. Like it went from, stop it, stop doing it, to I'm going to call the police, to bad case with the police."
"What, you going to tell the cops? What the cops say?"
"I, I don't. I mean, in her mind, like she doesn't think that obviously I'm doing this legally. I'm paying my taxes on it. She just thinks escorting, right? So I mean, I don't blame her. She doesn't know. But that would be pretty funny if we had the audio of her telling the cop she's not paying her taxes. They're going to be like, ma'am, this is really a matter for the IRS. But, uh, okay, so but at any point did you just decide like, [ __ ] it, this is my, my whole life. Like I love doing this. This is just what I want to do. Like, are, are you all in on it?"
"Mh. And especially knowing that there's little to no Arab creators in the, in the industry."
"I'm here for a long time. Right. Now, I kind of understand why they would be upset about the hair thing because they want to probably cast you as like a Middle Eastern stereotype, right?"
"Yeah."
"And often in videos now, they label me as Le."
"I was thinking that. Yeah, I was, we were having this conversation when we, we were doing Googling just because to them, they can call you whatever the hell they want. Yeah, they don't care about categorizing you properly necessarily. Whatever's going to get tagged."
"Exactly. But if it's, I feel like Arab would get more though. There's a lot of Latinos. But for them, they want to hit both audiences, right?"
"Probably. Yeah. They just label you as both. Try one upload labeled one way and one is porn. Great. Just say whatever."
"Like in any other world, it would be considered completely inappropriate to just lie about porn. Porn hasn't caught up yet, right?"
"So once you start doing real porn, load, and you just love it?"
"Or my first scene was like, [ __ ]. But I gave it another try. Um, my boundaries were tried."
"Oh, and what was your boundary?"
"Not, I don't eat ass. And he tried me while the camera was rolling."
"Did you tell him before and share your button?"
"We talked about it twice in the beginning of the scene, like when before we started and in the break. That literally happened right before, like we went back to sex. We went to BJ and I was laying down and he comes up and he goes, a little extra. Oh, and goes down. And at the end he goes, oh, see, you just as like, see, it wasn't that bad. I looked at him, I was like, first of all, I was sucking balls. Second of all, you will never see my, my face again. And I never seen it."
"Wow. That's interesting. This was a, something your agent booked for you?"
"Yeah."
"Oh, wow. I was, when I was looking at you earlier though, I was wondering like, is this girl going to try to you my ass?"
"Why did you wonder that?"
"I was just like, every time I just kind of wonder, you know. So that's good to know that that's not welcome."
"Why is that just not your thing?"
"Um, so I feel like, so eating ass or like peeing, I just, I don't, I don't understand. Like this is where you dispose the things that your body doesn't want. Why is my mouth on there?"
"You know, I bet you don't mind a guy eating your ass, right?"
"That's his choice. What me, he wants to do that. I'm asking up for it. No."
"Yeah, for real. But you don't like it?"
"I don't mind it."
"Have you, you haven't done anal yet?"
"No."
"Really?"
"You never did it in your personal life either?"
"Mh."
"I've only been able to fit a finger in and that's because that day earlier, someone ate my ass so good, I could not stop."
"See, you love it."
"I was horny. She want to do it. It's a hug different."
"When I was a kid, honestly, it wasn't until I was probably in my like mid-20s before I even realized that girls could eat a guy's ass. It just wasn't even something I thought of until a bit later in life. Nowadays, they just know."
"So I didn't know until I joined porn, right?"
"So then after that though, you start getting more into it?"
"Yeah."
"And do you, do you consider yourself a natural? Are you just like good at this?"
"Yeah. I don't, like I don't really know how to fake things as it is, so trying is just, it'll just ruin the scene, right?"
"You orgasm easily?"
"Yeah. On camera."
"Yeah. Oh, wow. Interesting. How was your second scene since you said your first scene turned you off?"
"Phenomenal. It was my Bang Bus scene. The only like bummer about it was just it was hot [ __ ]. But as far as crew, everything else. You're in the van, in the [ __ ] van. They don't have AC going in there. They can't run the AC 'cause of the cameras."
"Yeah, but I mean, we're shooting more than like chilling in the van. So the AC is off when we're shooting."
"Oh, Lord. [ __ ] is loud in Florida. In in Florida summertime, bro."
"But it's so hard to feel sexy when you're sweating. At a certain point, when you're filming the Bang Bus porn scene though, like if everybody's drenched in sweat, that's bad for the footage, right?"
"Man, a. All I know is I know I know better next time."
"So how sweaty could we get on this before somebody would be like, okay, you're too sweaty, I can't jerk off to this?"
"I don't know if the audience would necessarily think that it's gross if I'm glistening, dumping sweat from my forehead. I don't know. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if they had an opinion about that, right?"
"Yeah, I don't think we would ever get that sweat. It's very nice and cool in here. Yeah, thankfully."
"Um, okay, so you've been doing this for a few years now. How, like, what do you see yourself doing with all this? Are you more focused on OnlyFans, or are you more focused on doing stuff for companies?"
"I like both, but I like OnlyFans a little bit more. I want to, um, maybe in like a year or so, I want to start my own brand and have like shoot everything and film. Maybe probably end up quitting like Pro and just doing OnlyFans just to sight everything. Film dying for it, making pretty art."
"That's dope. Do you, um, when it comes to you being, being [Music] Syrian, how do you approach that? Like, would you, like me and Khalifa obviously is like kind of the person that everybody kind of looks at as like a role model for Middle Eastern porn stars. She's got so much hate. Are you kind of nervous about inviting that kind of attention or no?"
"'Cause I feel like I'm learning from her mistake. Plus, I wasn't really planning on doing that mistake anyway, right? I prefer to not blame. Like I don't want to bring no politics and no religion into my porn or my work, period, right? So I feel like sinner is the most, like I'll go, but that's it."
"But other people want you to bring it in?"
"Oh, yeah. I'm literally every single [ __ ] day people are asking my agent, a hijab scene, a hijab scene. That's what I was just thinking."
"Fans are tagging you. You have to turn that down specifically?"
"Yes, bro. And sometimes like I literally sit there and argue with people on Twitter because you like, how in your right mind do you think that's okay? Like I, yeah."
"And keep in mind, I was, I was like one of 20 Christians in the, in the city that I was in when I was in Syria."
"Oh, so like I was pretty much born and raised around Muslims and we have, um, every year of your school, you have to have a religion class and it's Muslim because, uh, Islam because the majority of the country is Muslim. And I would, I wouldn't have to do any work. My parents would make sure that they tell the teachers, like, yo, she, we're Christian. Chit does I have to learn this? And the teachers would respect it. They would give me the, uh, the time, like for free for that class, but I would stay and I would just pick up and learn. And I respect the religion. So I don't feel like I should do no [ __ ] hijabs, right?"
"But they would, and they wouldn't want any other religion to necessarily do it. They just want to do it 'cause it's like a fetishization type of like Arab people."
"Yeah, I mean, listen, if I'm a porn producer and there's a girl who grew up Mormon, I'm probably going to be like, hey, let's have somebody bang you with a crucifix. Just 'cause like, I mean, do they do that?"
"I mean, I don't know if they do, but it makes sense to me. The same logic by which they do the hijab thing. But okay, this is the main thing too. Is it's not somebody like me who's jerking off to the hijab scene, right? It's going to be dudes who probably are from religion, right? Who get turned on by it because it's like the ultimate forbidden fruit. And the Arab fan base for porn is [ __ ] insane."
"Yeah. All of my DMs are in Arabic. I don't speak Arabic or read Arabic."
"You haven't even really like put yourself out there like that. Like you don't really advertise."
"I don't. Because I don't want to invite hate. Like, I have emails saved in my email under like a harassment folder of people like borderline threatening to kill me because I'm Armenian and I've said that I'm Armenian. So I just feel like, you know, if you decided to play on religion in porn, you would get the, it would invite the same kind of."