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Hi everybody. Today is Tuesday, June 9th, 2026 and our dear friend Carl Wilkerson is here with us. Welcome back, Lar.
>> Good to be with you, Neon.
>> I want to start with what JD Vance said last night. We know the attacks Iran Israel attack in Lebanon, Iranian response to Israeli attack. But before getting there, I want to put I want to play out what JD Vance said about the situation between the United States and Iran.
>> Are you about Israel spying on the United States and freelancing in Lebanon?
>> Well, look, I I think obviously the Israelis and I, excuse me, the Israelis in the United States, we have a lot of shared interests, but we also have some situations where our interests diverge. And I think what the president has been very clear here is that while Israel obviously has some objectives that it has, the United States's main objective in Iran is to ensure that Iran does not have a nuclear weapon. And we've actually, thanks to what's happened over the last few months, but really over the last year and a half, we've created the space necessary where the president believes, and I think that he's right, that we can get the long-term settlement to Iran's nuclear deal. Now, Israel may like that. They may not like that. But fundamentally, we think this is in the best interest of the United States of America. So, we're going to keep on pursuing it because that's what the president United States was elected to do. That's what we have to do in order to properly serve the American people.
>> Yeah. What is in your assessment, in your understanding, hearing what JD Vance just said, hearing what Donald Trump said just moments ago about in two three days he's going to get some sort of deal and he was telling us for such a long time you remember you know I I would say more than 40 times he said that and in two three days we're going to get a an agreement with Iran. What is your understanding of current situation and the ongoing sort of messages between the two sides?
>> Well, JD Vance has become like a broken record in many respects. He keeps playing essentially the same message with different intonations every time. I love the slip up there. Note at the beginning of his remark, he says, "Between Israel and I." Then he changes it to the United States. Ah JD, do you have a personal situation here? You bet you do. You bet you do because you want to run for president and you better not say anything adverse to Israel's interest because you will never gain the White House if you do. That's essentially what he's admitting to. Then the second thing I would remark on is I may be in era here but I think I'm right because I don't watch Fox News much but I did happen on the story I believe it was in the New York Times maybe Wall Street Journal but it was about the Neielson ratings. You know those are our ratings on who gets watched the most and how long and what shows and who has the most attraction to the American people. That dude talking to JD Vance from Fox News was the one of the top ones as I recall. So he's speaking to the MAGA group and the MAGA group all to say still dominates. It still dominates. Now clearly the network news both visual and uh narrative is not doing as well as it used to. But at the same time, Fox is doing better than any of the rest and that individual. So targeted going to the person who's going to talk to the most MAGA people, is most believed amongst the MAGA people and delivering his message there. What is the message? It's the same old thing. I mean, I can't believe that even the dumbest maggot dude out there, male or female, old or young or middle, isn't aware of the line they're being fed now. and who's feeding it to them, in this case the vice president. And the line is still I don't think this administration from the vice president to the president to the secretary of war, they're going to spend $125 million Nema and probably more than that to change the name officially in the Congress to the Department of War. A retrograde step if there ever was one. But this is a retrograde administration. It's not make America great again. It's kill America. That's what it's all about. Um, but all of that going on doesn't mask the fact that they have, I won't say, outright lost the war, but they never had a chance of winning it. So, what's the difference? And they're not going to win it now. And BB is showing characteristically that he is more interested in staying out of jail, therefore he must win the election of coming in Israel, than he is in obeying Trump. because he is still killing people in Gaza. And oh, by the way, he's still keeping killing people uh I mean in Lebanon. He's still killing people in Gaza. He's still killing people in the West Bank in East Jerusalem. Got a wary eye cast over Syria. And he's attacking Iran again. So, he's not doing anything that the United States president claims he has ultimate power over him to make him do. And he's not doing it because the people who oppose him in this upcoming election and may well beat him are taking him to task for paying any attention to the American president. And increasingly I think Trump's reputation in Israel because of these phone calls and such is falling off too. Not necessarily because he told Netanyahu to get screwed, but because they see the premier, the Netanyahu in this case, but ultimately the Napali Bend or whoever actually taking orders from Trump. And that hasn't sat well with him at all. 80ome percent of the Jewish residents of Israel are still very much in favor of everything that BB has done to this point in each of the places he's doing it. And oh, by the way, in Gaza, it's really become treacherous. It's become treacherous from so many different aspects. People making tons of money. Lots of Egyptians, lots of Israelis making tons of money off of charging $200 for a carton of eggs. Uh even more for enough gas to run your stove for a 10-hour period. um just exploiting the Palestinians who are left, the Gazins who are left to the maximum for money. So it's a and and Nema, I read a piece in the Jerus Jerusalem Post. If I talked about this with you before, please stop me. Um and I I had never heard of this guy, but um I should probably have. He's pretty established historian in Israel. and he wrote a piece that was based really a lot on Harold McKinder and Mckinder's theory of the the land state versus the maritime state vice versa. And his contention was that what's happening now is really three nuclear weapons are being quote unquote on the nuclear weapons are being deployed against the United States and against Israel. One of them is the straight of Hormuz and it's an incredibly powerful one because it's geographically fixed, can't be moved and is essential for the moment at least. So pipelines obiate it to a lot of global commerce. So that's a nuclear weapon and Iran controls it. The second nuclear weapon is more um it's more indebted to Mckender's theory and that is that the the land mass such as it is has shifted just a bit and I don't mean the geography actually moved. I mean the power centers within that geography exploiting that geography nonetheless widened to an extent as was in the original theory. And what's happening is you have Iran now a major component of the Russian, Chinese and I think Central Asian land mass. So you have an overpowering 67 68% of the world that is occupying this now increasingly viable because of land routes rather than maritime routes economic structure. Maritime routes are still important to an extent, but at any moment they may fall into high seas piracy much the same way they did several hundred years ago when you may recall that uh Britain initially was very much involved in the slave trade across the Atlantic and then got a new prime minister, a new foreign minister and all of a sudden they started fighting the slave trade viciously on the high seas. we were the most uh guilty party and they were attacking our ships and everything else. That's what we're headed for in the maritime rail realm while the land realm is relatively peaceful and successful economically and otherwise politically, economically. Um I think there's something to that. And then the third, he doesn't stop there. Those are the two nuclear weapons Iran is now in possession of like the strait or a party to like this new land configuration. The third nuclear weapon is a real nuclear weapon and he's convinced that that's there too. It's either coming from Pakistan or it's already there built by the Iranians themselves and it only awaits evidence that it exists. And the purpose for that going into a narrower definition of that nuclear weapon which is of course an actual nuclear weapon. He talks about um deterrence and he talks about they have to do that as Kim Jong- had to do it because Kim Jong-un now um because that was the only way to survive and with Israel possessing a nuclear weapon. Again I come back to the Omani foreign minister Israel is the problem in the region. Now, Israel is the problem in the region, not only because of its slaughtering methodologies, but also because it is the only state with a nuclear weapon that is poised against the rest of the region. And this will balance the scales, so to speak. So, they don't have to use it. They don't even have to test it. MSAD just needs to know they've got it. Um, I think he thinks they will test it, but that's to be seen. Uh I think he's right in all three components of that analysis which means Nema there is no way Donald Trump is going to get out of this except by doing what JD Vance just did. Obfuscate state the same thing over and over again. Say that diplomacy is ex is succeeding. Have an occasional tit fortat strike. Have an occasional US Apache helicopter go down in the region. God knows for what reason. um have all these things going on and stretch them out until the midterms when you can consolidate your control over the United States. That's what I see as base policy now for the Trump administration. Let this go on at a low simmer, as low as you can keep it. Try to keep BB Netanyahu in check. Hope he's defeated. Hope he goes to jail. and then start a new sheet of m music if you will that's the same thing without BB trying to deal with laid or NALI Bennett or whoever happens to take his place but I don't think they have a strategy I do not think they have a strategy other than rope a dope you know you know what that means from gashes glaze fighting days you bounce off the ropes all the time that's what Trump is doing at JD Vance is a spokesperson in that regard and he almost screwed up as he started by saying it was his personal position. Nope. United States's position.
>> Larry, can I add number four nuclear bomb in the region which would be the new equation of the region that Israel there is no red line for the axis of resistance to attack Israel? Name I'm I'm talking about Iran and Yemen.
>> Well, that comes out of the second one in this guy's estimation, the the new leverage Iran has because of being a part of the McKender landmass and having Russia and China behind it and being connected being connected. I I saw two more railroads. I didn't even know I didn't know there were three railroads. There's three railroads. I knew about two of them, but there are three railroads that actually come through that area and now debouch in Iran. I mean, you can you've seen these Chinese railroads, the freight railroads alone, they can be 150, 200 car trains. They may take 13 hours or 14 hours. What? 14 days. 13 days or whatever. One of them, I'm told, has had a train. I don't know how big it was, but a train actually traversed it in 25 hours. Now, that would be 100 miles an hour, whatever, you know, the whole distance, and it'd probably be an unloaded train. But the average time, I'm told, for the big one at least, is 13 to 14 days. But that's chicken feed when you're talking about ships and the cost of ships and the danger of going through places like the Babel Mandeb and straight to Hormuz. Now uh the Houthis have let it be known that the Babel Mandeb is back to its previous status. Nobody crosses through who's friendly with Israel. So you're talking about a lot of uh a lot of pressure being brought on the world economy that is being relieved for this mckinder-l like land mass because they don't depend on it. They'll take advantage of it when they can and when the rates are right, but they don't depend on it. Everything is land now. When you look at Israel and the way they're attacking in southern part of Lebanon, Larry and they know they attack a an empty building in Beirut in southern part of Beirut in Dah which they didn't kill any you know Hezbollah forces but they killed ordinary people at least two
>> and three of them were wounded something like five casualties They're not
>> they're not killing Hamas fighters by by and large in Gaza either. They're killing Gazan civilians 24 30 a day. Moving the yellow line, the old tactic, yellow line's in one place at night, the next morning, the yellow line somewhere else. If you're on the other side of the yellow line as it had been moved, you get killed. They're doing the same thing. But these aren't Hamas fighters. These are Gazin civilians. But it's their strategy. By the way, I don't know if you had what Bengir said. Bengir said Israeli minister but Benir said he he's calling for kidnapping Lebanese women and children to break Hezbollah morale to break their morale. You have to it's just unbelievable. You know the guy
>> Ben Gir is unbelievable. Yeah, he's unbelievable. He he's the one I think is going to be first in the docket at the International Criminal Court when people wake up and do something about this in the distant future. I I really think it will happen. I will just as it happened with Rataban Karachic and Mallovich and Serbia. Now that happened really because the United States threw its weight behind it because you ready for this Nema? The real reason we did that was because we were being accused of only backing the court when it picked on people in Africa who were black like Charles Taylor. And so we looked around, we being uh who was the guy, I can't think of his name, just lost his name, but the the great diplomat who was in Pakistan as our emissary. He was before that in former Yugoslavia. Dick. Dick. Dick. Dick. Dick. Can't think of his last name now. But anyway, they were looking around for someone that they could get that would balance the scales at the court, a white person. And so they picked on Ravan Karajik and Malloich in Serbia because they were in the news that time and they were doing some pretty brutal things. So was the other side. But we were on the other side. So we picked them. And I think Karajic either went to the court and died in process of the trial and Melovich did pretty much the same thing. I think I think he was hauled out to go before the court and then he passed away. God knows how he died. But uh that you know we will do this again somewhere. Europe will do it again somewhere. We'll come to our senses to a certain extent. But there will be other reasons too as they were with Yugoslavia, former Yugoslavia. But we'll put these people before the bar. I doubt anybody like Netanyahu will. I I think Netanyahu will do a Chiron on us. Chiron left office and died. And one of the reasons he died was he was actually I think afflicted with a form of cancer that was pretty viral. Um, but he also died conveniently. Let's put it that way. Um, and I think Netanyahu will die conveniently, too. And maybe Mrs. Netanyahu, too. And I will be first to stand on their grave and clap.
We have two, you know, two leaders nameing the president of the United States and Benjamin Naniel. when they started the war, they had some sort of, you know, overlap in their sort of objectives because they wanted to do something in Iran. They wanted to do regime change on whatever they had in their mind.
>> They were locked. They thought they were both of them thought they were going to overthrow the regime in Iran and turn Iran into at at best a bantistan nation with all kinds of little lethos and other things scattered across it. You know, little Kurd, little Azeri, a little this, a little that all over the place. Uh I bet they even thought in Israel that there'd be a little Jewish enclave with the 50,000 or so some odd Jewish citizens of Iran. I got news for them. they would probably probably fight him tooth and nail. Um, but it didn't happen. It didn't happen. That was MSAD and BB Netino's advice to prediction to outcome of this war will be to Donald Trump and Donald Trump swallowed it hookline and sinker and looking at what where they are today is that you know we have two again two leaders who are seeing the future totally differently because they Donald Trump to be as it was mentioned Axis there is a report on Axus that any US official said to Axio that the continuation of the war for Israel is so for Benjamin Netno is so important because he wants to stay alive politically in Israel we
>> probably probably stay alive period because when you go to jail you die pretty quick in Israel I mean I'm not saying somebody takes you out. But I'm just saying they don't former prime ministers in jail do not last long.
>> And on the opposite side, we see Donald Trump to stay politically alive. He needs to get out of the Middle East. He needs to do something about it. And the two right now the two agendas are totally different on their part on the part of Benjamin Net and Donald Trump. And the desperation is just going
>> Yeah. just increasing as time goes by.
>> Trump has two sides after him for this. Now, the one is kind of clandestine, but it will get more in the open as we go along. The one side, of course, is the opposition in Israel to what he's telling Netanyahu to do, and Netanyahu, of course, is not corresponding with that too well. And then the other side is the people like Tom Cotton and others in the Congress who are vehemently opposed to Trump telling Netanyahu anything. So he's got this painful group in the Republican party and I suspect that if you counted heads for various reasons, not least of which is Apac and its control, you have more heads than you'd think who are utterly opposed and are going to ensure that in the Senate and the House this new arrangement with Israel actually passes for the NDAA to be Israel's as well as the United States's. Um, and so he's got to contend with that. And I'm not totally sure he's willing to contend with that in a way that won't be rupturing of the Republican party. And two, he's got to contend with Israel. So this is not an easy thing for him. The American people are caught somewhere in there because the majority of the American people of all age groups, particularly under 65, are not fans of this war or are vehement opponents of this war. So, you've got all this cacophony of political forces going on that Trump has stirred up with this stupid war that were already latent in Trump's dealing with the country in the first place. and now they're just showing their ugly heads everywhere. We're going to see some legislation, I think, to protect Israel in both houses of Congress that's going to make what's happening with the NDAA probably pale in comparison because these guys are going to and gals are going to scramble to do everything they possibly can legislatively to lock Israel in a box that's impregnable before anything changes. I don't think they're all that confident that Trump's coup, such as those that are in the Congress, know about it or are in league with it. Many of them, I think, would just go along with it. Like the Roman Senate did, like the Roman Senate did. As soon as Octavius had won his wars and came home triumphant, the Roman Senate just became, you know, a rubber stamp. Um, I think ours would, too. Um, but it's going to be a really vicious fight to figure out where it's going and then where the American people are going to go once they're confirmed in their minds that their government is deserted. This is far s more serious for us. I'm not saying for the world. It's far more serious for us than Donald Trump knows, than the Congress of the United States knows, than the Supreme Court knows, than any governmental power knows. It's far more serious for us. And it's going to get deeper and more profoundly serious as time goes by approaching the elections and afterwards. And there's no out. And regardless of how many times they Vance, Trump, whomever, Rubio, Exith, tell the American people that we're winning, the American people are going to increasingly realize we are not winning. The more they tell us that they are just short of a victory in diplomacy, the more the American people are going to realize they're lying through their teeth. This has not got a good outcome. Not for us. And I haven't even talked about Ukraine.
>> If we assume Larry, the grand strategy of Israel is the greater Israel. Let's assume that which is in my opinion it is the the ultimate goal of Israel is the greater Israel. Then where is Israel today comparing to what it was before this war started?
>> Embattled. Embattled on multiple fronts, none of which it has total control over. embattled on the international stage even worse than it is embattled in these wars because the international stage is turning 60 to 70% against them. Even the Europeans are now finally talking about sanctions on West Bank settlers and things like that. seriously talking about it and I think in peril of its life certainly in peril of its life as a Jewish enclave in the Levant which is what they've turned into their sole purpose in life willing to protect with nuclear weapons and I don't think the world cares for that at all. I think that's going to grow and deepen in its profoundity and we're going to see a rejection of the state of Israel as it presently exists that will become more and more concrete as time goes by and people exercise diplomacy and other means of dealing with this pariah state and I don't see any future for a Jewish state in the Levant period. They define a yellow line in the southern part of Lebanon just because they want
>> changes every day. Yeah. I don't I don't know what is that yellow line because as before coming to this live as we talk it we talked about it before Hezbollah just infiltrated the northern part of Israel. The this supposed to be some sort of buffer zone some sort of security zone for Israel
>> for Gaza. He's no zone. Nobody would respect that. And maybe they're going to maybe Hezbollah would impose some sort of buffer zone in northern part of Israel.
>> They should turn the cards on the Israelis. Yeah. Do the same thing. We got a green line. Step across the green line and we'll kill you. Oh, the green line just moved. That's what Israel does with its yellow line in Gaza. It it puts it down on the ground. It says, "Do not cross this yellow line." And then in the night, it changes the yellow line. And the next morning, some Palestinians wake up on the other side of the line. They kill them and they have perfect justice, perfect proof. You know, they're on the other side of the yellow line. Well, you move the yellow line in the night. You didn't tell a soul. Ah, okay. He has do that back to them. But I don't think Hezbollah is going to have to need I don't think they need that. If they can infiltrate the north to any extent that it becomes untenable for BBE and he has to divert troops up there to actually protect them rather than to be on the offense. That's going to be disastrous for Israel and it's going to stop his momentum in Lebanon which is probably what has blood intense at least to slow it down if not stop it completely because they're running out of troops. Nema they're running out of people to draft. They're running out of people to call up and the callups that they have initiated are not being complied with fully. So they got problems, lots of problems. I think for those people who are worried about Israel, the basic, you know, the foundation of their sort of, you know, understanding is the case of Palestine D.
>> What Israel has done in the West Bank, what Israel has done so far in Gaza, they're talking about 70% of Gaza. They're talking about all of the West Bank being annexed to Israel. And if they're talking about it doesn't mean that they're going to get it, but at least they're talking about the capturing. We know that it's settlers in the in the West Bank. They captured the land. There is no West Bank. Look at those pinpoints on the map. And that doesn't mean Palestine in my opinion. And this is the problem for Israel. I think by as an outcome of this war that the acts of resistance there is no red line. For example, with the latest attack on Beirut and the immediate response from Iran, we've seen that the the equation is changing. That's why they cannot do it. They cannot continue with this sort of attitude. And the United States has its own limitations when it comes to the Middle East. The United States doesn't have those big beautiful bases that Donald Trump was bragging about before this war started.
>> This is the problem. And where are they going to stay in your opinion if they try to support Israel in the region?
>> Well, right now huge questions.
>> It is. And right now the Israelis are complaining because we have crowded them off their own aprons at their own airports. Our planes are taking all the available space at their own airports because we don't have any other place to put them. Uh maybe a few in Jordan, maybe a few in Iraq could still make it, but I I doubt the latter. Um because Iraq is increasingly Baghdad is increasingly looking at us as the real problem like they they have all along, but they just wouldn't say it. Um, but yeah, we're all going to have to nestle down in Israel eventually in order to keep conducting these wars. And that's going to put his cheek in jail. There's not enough apron space. There's not enough maintenance space. There's not enough airport space, taxiways, runways, and so forth for that. Uh, but that's what we'll wind up doing. And god forbid, that's what probably we deserve is to all be cheek and jou with one another when Iran puts the coup d'et on us. And that's something I wonder about Nemo because ultimately the defender now with viability and strategic prowess of the Palestinians and battled as they are particularly in Gaza and the West Bank is Iran. Secondarily the Houthis but mainly Iran. Iran with backing now as the theory purports and I think is right. China and Russia to an extent. China, majorly Russia as it is able to without taking its eye off Ukraine, but still formidable. So when are they going to announce the same policy with regard to persecution and murder, brutal murder of the Gazins in Gaza as they are now doing for the Lebanese in Lebanon, ostensibly for Hezbollah, part of the axis of resistance. But when you think about it, if if if they're to put credibility to our own claims, Hamas is part of the axis of resistance, too. And wouldn't it be nice for Iran to suddenly assume the entire role of defending the Palestinians? What would the Saudis do then? What would the Egyptians do then? What would the Jordanians quizzlings that they are? What would they do? What would all these states that are supposed to be the defenders, the first line for the Palestinians do if she Iran, she Iran became the defender of the Palestinians and the only one putting forth real effort and possibly success. That would change another dynamic of this struggle. I think maybe be a fourth nuclear weapon in terms of its impact. How long do you think it would take the world to shift its opinion away from a neutral position? That's best way I can describe it, although it's changing fairly rapidly with respect to Israel and its bloody-mindedness in the West Bank and in Gaza in particular, and shifted to sympathy with Iran. If Iran became the sole defender of the Palestinians, a night Iran for the Palestinians, uh, I can't imagine there isn't some thought about spreading their mantle of protection, genuinely spreading it. They've already vocally spread it, but genuinely spreading it to the Palestinians in Gaza and and simply saying to Israel, the next time you kill another Palestinian across your yellow line, expect six or seven rockets to land on Tel Aviv.
>> I think with ongoing negotiations today, I talked with Professor Mandi. seems that Iran is serious about the Gaza and Palestine. They're putting out with the Trump administration with these messages back and forth. They're mentioning that it's g it's going to be Lebanon and Gaza and Palestine all together. It's not going to be just Iran.
>> Good.
>> They're not going to back down. And it's not just about because the head of the head of the council of experts in Iran yesterday he announced it's going to be the whole axis of resistance mentioned in Lebanon and Palestine. They're going to defend them. I think the whole concept is that if they can get something with the United States, they get it. It's not going to be an agreement. It's not going to be anything like an agreement. It's something like what Donald Trump got from Houthies, from Yemenes. You're not going to shoot at us. We're not here. We won the war. We destroyed everything. We changed we we did the regime change in Iran and then we're going to get out of the region. Then Israel stays with the acts of resistance. And how far can they go against the acts of res? I think this is these are huge questions. Many people can argue and say that Israel
>> is just a smashing destroying the countries, but destroying the buildings doesn't mean that you're getting the land.
>> Yep. You know, the the thing that would excite me the most would be that Tom Cotton, Lindsey Graham, and a number of those wonderful senators who think Israel is the cup of tea of the world would relocate would just pick up their stakes and relocate to Israel. convene the United States Senate minus in Israel as it should be and let us all alone in the continental United States. Just pick it up and take it over there and rule in the land that rules you. Leave us to our just desserts. Whatever. I mean that that's what we're talking about. We're talking about the legislature of this country in whole in majority being totally enthralled to a foreign power to the extent that they ought to pick up and go convene their Senate in Tel Aviv. Just combine them. Let's don't do this deal where we just put 224 into the NDAA. Let's just make it what it should be. Move your asses to Tel Aviv and join the murderous BB Netanyahu in that grouping. Help to govern Israel. Get out of this country. Leave this country. It'll never happen, of course, but that's essentially what we're talking about in terms of the trauma that confronts this country now over this conflict and is going to confront it far more dangerously as we approach the midterms and and the American people, I think, try powerfully to change that and are prevented from doing it basically by Trump. The question is if the United States stays in the region the way that it is they're staying right now they're there right now what would be the outcome for Israel just about the attack that Iranian attack on Israel just few missiles went to Israel and they hit
>> the targets by the way talking about it let me just bring up the photo the satellite images that show
>> here is the satellite image that shows that the Iranian missile you know the censorship in Israel. But they in this footage in this photo it shows that the p the accurate hit by of a hanger at Ramad David air base David air base by Iranian missiles two days ago. Larry and this is the way it is right now. And the United can do for Israel. How much how much longer will it take if some of the photographs I've seen and they're not longtime photographs. They're very recent photographs last 96 hours. If the photographs I've seen of all the apron space, the ramp space, even space that's been created beside the ramps that will take the weight of an F-35, for example, if all of that is occupied, both Israeli and the US, if there's no more airport space left in Israel, it's a small country after all, very small. What the size of New Jersey? Um, how long is it before the Iranian missiles start striking US material, US aircraft, US facilities in Israel? I don't think very long. So, we're looking at a new dimension there, too. Uh, because I don't think the Iranians would be uh frightened of doing that. If if the beast is going to sit down with the little beast, then uh then he's going to take the risk. That could happen. Uh, it could happen easily now because we're so coll-located and so close together in key places. That was a interesting shot there. That was a hanger.
>> Yeah, it was a hanger.
>> It was it at Bengurian or where was it exactly?
>> No, it was Ramad. Okay. David Air. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I'm told that that one is running just overflowing with airplanes because let's face it, we don't have any place to put them otherwise. You've seen the footages of Benurian airport. Those all those aircrafts in the open.
>> If something happens, they can get hit. All of them.
>> That's the next blow. I think if Iran wants to perpetrate it, that's uh you know, you it's similar to the situation in Ukraine. If Putin wants to strike NATO assets in Lithuania or any of the countries that I think he would be more likely to strike first were he to strike in a NATO country. All he's got to do is shoot. He knows where the targets are and he knows who's in those targets. Brits, Americans, probably others. Um he knows where they are. So, we're looking at two similar situations in very different circumstances, but nonetheless, we're looking at trigger points for a much bigger, wider war. I don't know what would happen if if he if Iran really started to do damage to the United States in that significant sense, you know, say 20 or 30 aircraft in a couple of swoops. Um, I don't know what we'd do cuz I don't think we could do anything except say the ceasefire was broken and you know attack a few things along the coast of Iran. Um, and maybe drop a few bombs in addition to what we've already dropped. Call the Israelis up to drop a few more bombs. But what's that going to accomplish? Nothing except kill some innocent civilians possibly probably. Um, but it's not going to accomplish anything in changing Iran's determination to be resolute and to hold out and to do as much damage after that again to the United States. So, we're just tit for tat, tit for tat. And the tits from Iran are going to be a lot worse than the tats from the United States and Israel for that matter. I mean, this latest bombing by Israel, I'm told, was kind of farical. What's funny about the war, the the attacks between Israel and Iran that during the war, during the attacks, we've learned that Saudi Arabia are getting hit by some sort of missiles. The initial hours they said it was Iran, then Iran said, "Oh, we we didn't hit Saudi Arabia. For what reason are we going to do this?" Then they said it was Yemen, then it was in Yemen. Yemen sent us who's doing this to Saudi Arabia. It seems Israel every time that wants to do something there and it hits Syria, Saudi Arabia. Let's hit some other countries.
>> Well, they're good at false flags. They're very good at false flag. Assassination and false flags. That ought to be the middle name for every Israeli soldier, sailor, airman, marine. False flags and assassinations. particularly for MSAD. They lead the world. I think they lead the world in assassinations.
>> What is the meaning, Larry, of the air defense system in Saudi Arabia? They're buying. They have bought a lot of weapons and they're buying right now. Donald Trump is just somehow bragging a new deal coming between the United States and Saudi Arabia. But after all, if you cannot use any of them and you cannot even they didn't put out any sort of a statement who did attack them who did attack you. Yeah,
>> they don't have we we we haven't heard from them and this is the main reason that are these people know how to use those weapon those weapons in their countries the air defense system I don't know the radars they have for their own of their own I'm not talking about the United States but we haven't seen any sort of capability in GCC countries
>> well there are some I I'm not familiar with the strikes you're talking about I missed them But there are some drones in the area now that are, I would say, at least for the present moment, indefensible against. No matter what missile structure you have, the drones are going to kill you. Um, and the Iranians are in possession of some of these drones. In fact, the Iranians were the original creator. I think if I remember right, the trail goes from Ukraine to the general market to Iran. Iran reverse engineering and Iran setting up a new uh methodology for using these drones. They're relatively cheap. They're 35 $40,000 a piece and yet they do more damage than a Hellfire missile or a tomahawk and they are almost at present time anyway indefensible against because of the technology that's used in them. Um you can't interfere with the drone itself. You can't interfere with the mechanism whatever it might be that's controlling its flight. And it's smart enough to get within vicinity of the target and know if there is something opposing it that might be deadly to change its trajectory and come in from a different direction. Really sophisticated cheap drone. That may be what's being used right now. Could be being used in false flag by Israel because I understand they got one and reverse engineered it. Um, but I also understand this this gets so deep I don't even know what I'm talking about. The Iranians made the one they reverse engineered very difficult to reverse engineer without doing it in a way that was enimical to your own use of it. In other words, the drone won't operate the way you think it's going to operate because they did something to it. So, and and we're in this game now. We're in this game where the tactical innovations on the battlefield are every day virtually and something comes up new and you don't know what happens when that new technique is used because it's not been seen before or it's done something that is supposedly impossible whether it's fiber optic or it's you know manually controlled or whatever. Um, so I don't know. I'm just talking out my hat right now. But I do know that the innovation on the battlefield, both in Ukraine and now in Southwest Asia, particularly on the Iranian side, is becoming probably the the highest level of innovation in warfare in a long time. And the Iranians are showing their metal in this business. That's not to say that this was an Iranian attack. I'm not insinuating that. But I would suspect the most likely perpetrator would be Israel in a false flag attack.
>> There is no need for Iran when Israel is attacking Lebanon to attack Saudi Arabia.
>> It was Israelis trying to mix up the game, you know, trying to
>> they did that. Larry, you remember when the war against Iran started the US Israeli attack on Iran? They started attacking some points in Turkey, Aerai, the whole region. They tried to manipulate the borders at the borders of Iran because they wanted these groups, these, you know, terrorist groups to somehow make some sort of chaos at the borders of Iran. Then these terrorist groups getting in and with the plan they had, you know, with the arms they received from Donald Trump. They had all all in place and we had two Israeli bases in Iraq preparing and providing everything.
>> Reminds me of the Bay of Pigs. Yeah, remember the Bay of Pigs? It all went in and it all failed.
>> They were so prepared, Larry. They were so prepared. Donald Trump said it for 22 years. We were prepared for this moment. It wasn't just Iran preparing for that.
>> It was about Israel, how Israel was preparing for for more than two decades, Israel was planning this war. And you can bet that the briefing that the New York Times reported on where BB supposedly was the decider for Trump to start this war, you can bet BB rolled all that out for Trump. And you know, this is the glorious preparation we made. You don't understand. We've been at this for 20 years, intensely for 10 years, and we've got agents everywhere. We've got a provocator everywhere. We've got people behind every Iranian citizen and they will rise up because we will push them up into a standing position. That that's the kind of briefing I suspect BB gave Trump and he bought it. Trump bought it all and it went to hell in the handbag before it even got into full execution. Despite Donald Trump saying that the United States is independent of oil and we know the oil market is so important for the Trump administration and for the economy of the United States and here is what the price of many people are asking if the war is happening is this chaos with this chaos and with the blockade of the straight of for the American blockade of Iranian blockade the complexity in the bubble man that by the way by in the Red Sea And why is the price of oil is not going is not going to you know 120 130 and here is what here is what Robert Kagan said and his understanding of the price of oil
>> to buy if you needed to buy a barrel of oil today it cost something like $150 or $140 because that's what the actual price of oil is. The oil prices we're looking at are oil futures. And I'll tell you one thing that Donald Trump has been an absolute genius at, and he gets an A+ for it, is manipulating the market and manipulating market expectations. And watching oil future prices go up and down based on whether Donald Trump says there's going to be an agreement or not has been pretty amusing because Donald Trump has now pulled the, you know, Lucy and Charlie Brown football trick now about seven times. The market goes for it every single time. So these prices are not reflective of the reality. And now you even see uh major figures like Exxon uh top executives warning that the inventory levels the world oil inventory levels which have been basically keeping supply going. There was a lot of oil out there in the system uh and there were of course the strategic oil reserves of various countries including the United States which have been drawn down heavily. I think Japan's is drawn down as far as it's ever been. And what the uh what the energy experts are warning is that we're going to hit a point in the next 2 or 3 weeks where the inventory is really gone. And that's the point at which they're anticipating uh oil price shocks. Some people say $150, some people say $200 uh a barrel. And we're definitely talking in in any case about gas prices in the United States potentially hitting $6 a gallon.
>> This is the main reason that Donald Trump is under tremendous pressure in my opinion.
>> Yes. I I've had conversations with people in the oil industry, too. Um, and they say roughly what Kagan was saying, just wait. And the explanation is all that oil that flowed before the straight was debatable has gone. It's been offloaded. It's not on the ocean anymore. It's in stocks wherever it might have gone to and it's being consumed and there's no oil to come replace it. Furthermore, as he was pointing out, the price and the price differential has been played very expertly by Donald Trump and others around him to make fortunes off the stock market. And when that becomes uh not opaque but transparent, that is to say, when it when it collapses, then we're going to have revelations and no confidence whatsoever. And
We're going to have, I think he's right with his higher expectation because I remember the operation that we did in Beijing in 2009 when it went to $200, $250 for West Texas and Brent, and this is crude oil off the market. This is not futures.
Um, and you're going to have a real problem because across the United States, for example, it's going to be, as he said, possibly $6, $7 a gallon. And in Europe, God knows what it's going to be. Um, $18, $20, $25, you know, but but you got the leader component there. So, you got to factor that in. And it's going to be a real shock, even more so of a shock to the American people because they are not expecting it. They, they, they will grow reasonably accustomed to barking and complaining and pitching, uh, to $4.50 a gallon, but when it gets up to six and north of seven, they're going to take note, real note, because it's going to really hurt them.
And he's right about the Kagan's right about the reserves, too. We bled them down. Trump has bled ours down extremely low. The Japanese are extremely low. Even the country that was in pretty, pretty good shape in terms of petroleum reserves, but I don't think it's worried about them as long as it has the pipelines from Russia is China. I've not checked lately the status of Taiwan, but I would expect it's not too good. And Taiwan might go hand in hand begging to China eventually, but it's, it's not over. It's not over till the fat lady sings. And the fat lady has not even come out of the green room yet, if you know my illusion, imperfect as it is. Remember Don Meredith and the Cowboys? It ain't over till the fat lady sings.
Yeah, Larry. I, I think the big picture that you, you've just mentioned is so important and I don't know how important it is for the decision makers or in the Trump administration or in the United States when it comes just, you're trapping yourself in these, you know, in, in war in Ukraine in my opinion. It, the United States is still trapped in Ukraine. They don't have a solution in Ukraine. And the money is still pouring in and and the CIA assistance is still pouring in. Um, we're still doing what we were doing before, as is the EU for the most part. And you still have EU leaders in Brussels talking about, "Oh, we're almost there. We're almost there. Putin's about to crack."
The second trap is the Middle East. And both sides, the two lobbies, Ukrainian lobby and Israeli lobby are so powerful in Washington. Yes, they have a lot of leverage and that's why they have a congressman or two congressmen. The Vinman's is it one or two? I think it's one. I think one got beaten or something like that. But anyway, they're there and there's lots of others behind them. And we know that the mostly Democratic party is is supporting. Yes, he's supporting to Biden lives. Biden lives. He even got people talking about this new guy as being Obama-esque. Who? Who? Who is it? Oaf. John Osaf. I think they're talking about he's Obama-esque. When I read that, I say, "Oh, God forbid. We do not need another Obama. What we need is someone with enough courage to rule his political party from the perspective of an FDR, the way he ruled his party and someone who's smart enough to bring around him, as FDR did, some very competent people to run the programs that needed to be run. First female secretary of labor in our history, for example, Frances Perkins, who is as much responsible for the New Deal as the president himself. Um, that's what we need, someone willing to take on the establishment and defeat it or at least set it back. And the establishment in this case is has a right wing called Israel. I don't mean that in a conservative liberal sense, but I mean it has a wing of its entire establishment that's called Israel. Someone has got to come in with the cojones, with the courage, with the brains, with the electricity politically of an FDR and set this ship right or the ship's going to founder. I don't see anyone in sight. I don't see anyone in sight. No one making noises like they might be capable of doing that.
So, where do we go? There is a historical precedent for where we go down the tubes. Larry, I know that it's not fair to ask this question. It comes from, you know, you know, maybe you need to ask speculate and definitely you need to speculate on that. But what is the Israel? What would be Israel the moment Netanyahu decides to step down? Worse. I think worse. I think you'd have leaders who would defy the United States, knowing full well they could get away with it and use every bit of leverage Israel has to finish off the targets that it can finish off, mainly being Gaza. And that would trigger what you were just talking about earlier, Iran's full commitment to the defense of that of Gazans, of the Palestinians, of the idea of a Palestinian state. Arabs would be forced to increasingly join ranks with Iran. I think maybe not physically, but at least philosophically and in the diplomatic world. And eventually they would triumph. And what would that leave Israel? It would have two choices. One, go down swinging and burn in hell, or elect a leadership that would transform. I don't see these people anywhere, but that would transform Israel into a truly democratic state open to all, go back, for example, to the UN resolutions about right of return and such and build a state that is called Israel Palestine or Palestine Israel or, you know, this thing Joseph Abvisar is doing. He's getting ready to he's collecting money right now to run the election, uh, elect a federal structure above what might be at that time the Palestinian Authority or whatever they come up with and Hamas and Israel, such as it is, and let that federal structure gradually absorb the lower structures in a sense that it becomes from being a federal entity that can only deal in these constitutional issues. It would have a constitution, for example, for the first time in an Israeli state's history or whatever you want to call that configuration, and then it would gradually evolve into a single state solution that would be for everyone and a true democracy as far as one can be a true democracy in this world today. Uh, that's the only solution I see for Israel that maintains it in the region with a reasonably safe haven for a lot of Jewish, uh, Israelis. But it would be a reasonably safe haven for a lot of a lot of people other than that too, like Christians and Palestinian Arabs and Arabs in general and others that wanted to live there. Uh, it would have to buy that. It would have to govern itself that way in order to persist and exist. Otherwise, it's going down the tubes in my view. I might not live to see it, but uh, chalk that up when you come to my grave and tell me, Larry, it happened.
I think looking at the history of the British Empire, all the the projects they had, all collapsing one after another. Tell me about it. Israel would be the last British project to be collapsed. How about the project of America? Now, granted, they abandoned it, tried twice to take it back, failed and abandoned it, but it is their project in many senses. It's their project and it's on the verge of failing too. The British didn't leave a grand legacy, unlike certain historians. Neil Ferguson, for one. Nile Ferguson, however he says that, came to state and gave a briefing one time. And I remember sitting in the back and thinking, man, you are a premier apologist for the British Empire. Wrote a book or several on that too. How, you know, the British Empire might have stained itself in places like Crimea and South Africa and so forth, but overall it was a force for good in the world. And overwhelmingly, it was a force for good. And I'm sitting in the back of the room going, "H, tell me that story again." But he's an apologist for the British Empire. I think that British Empire did irreparable damage all over the globe. Basically, all we have today in the Middle East, all these death and destruction that is happening is the outcome of their empire. Look at those borders drawn by the English or the French, Syria in particular, in a bargain with the British. No, just imagine if they, Sykes-Picot, who, who are Sykes-Picot? They designed the region. Larry, just imagine if they could do something in Iran to divide Iran in provinces. That would be the end. And their project would be the most successful project. That would be peace in our time. That's the way they look at it. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you so much, Larry.
Just, just one final question for you. Go ahead. Were that to come true, where do you think Israel would go then? Yeah. The regional hegemon par excellence. I think so. Oh, Riyadh. Yes. Ah, Amman. Yes. Ah, Baghdad. Yeah. Restoring our rights in the historic capital Baghdad, uh, all the way to, uh, across the Red Sea in Africa up to Ankara. Yeah. The wildest dreams of the Zionists, the true Zionists. Maybe the true Zionists are the, you know, the founders of the British Empire. Yeah, go back there and dig deeply. You might find that.
Thank you. Thank you, Larry, for being with us today. Great pleasure as always. Take care. Take care. See you on Friday. See you on Friday. Yeah.