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Hello, welcome to Five W's. Today, Ramanjit Ji, we will discuss two issues. Firstly, the film Satluj, which has been banned, and was removed from the OTT platform just a few hours after its release. Secondly, Operation Hardball, led by America, which has brought transactional crime networks connected to India into global discussion. But before discussing these issues, Ramanjit Ji, do you have something to share with our audience today?
Absolutely, Arzoo. Because when we present our own analysis on the topics we discuss, it doesn't have as much power as the words of great philosophers, who have been recognized by the world. We have quoted this before, but today we remind our viewers again that Plato once said, "The public loves its chains very emotionally. Take the common man out of his comfortable illusions, and he will attack you." The second thing is that ignorance breeds illiteracy, and illiteracy breeds fanaticism. I just thought of this. And another thing is that the crowd is always a cowardly lie. Then another thing is that the real truth usually stands completely alone, with a noose around its neck, while the majority cheers for the executioner. This is a quote from Søren Kierkegaard. So, we will see how relevant and applicable these things are in our lives today.
We will discuss the film, but before that, I have a question. Whenever a film is banned, what is the government's thinking behind it? What is their mentality? Is it very necessary for national security, law and order, and maintaining peace? Or is it an attempt to control a different perspective of history?
During the British Raj in India, after 1919, they introduced the Defence of India Act. It wasn't actually for the defence of British India, but for the security of the British Empire in India, so that the empire would remain secure. The claims of protecting the people of India, humanity, are just words. First, we should differentiate between whether it's a book or a poem. This has been happening since the beginning of the world. Sometimes literature is torn apart, sometimes entire philosophies are burned. When an aggressor comes from some country, and it is also said that once an aggressor destroyed an entire country, and in the end, only a library remained. When the commander arrived on horseback, his general said, "Sir, everything else is finished. This library is left. What should we do with it?" He said, "It took so long, burn it." He said, "Sir, we should check if there's any worthwhile book inside." He said, "No problem." He said, "Firstly, whatever is written in our religious book is eternal truth. And if the entire library has the same things written in it, then why carry such a big library on your head? We have the brief version." He said, "If this library contains things that are not in our scriptures, then it is heresy. It is a matter of disbelief, so it should be burned anyway." So, in both cases, burn it. It's a very simple logic. The majority of the public agrees, saying, "The talk is right. Whatever is written in our scriptures is true, and whatever is outside of it is false. So why keep falsehood?" In this way, we quickly lose valuable literature, valuable research, and discoveries by aligning with the mentality of the crowd, because the crowd doesn't study much. We don't instill the habit of study in them. We teach them to respect religious books, not to study. No one teaches that. They will say, "What if you make a mistake while reading? Then don't say anything. You will be sinful." We are afraid to go there. "Did you make mistakes when you were learning? Yes or no? I will make as many." We don't even have the courage to say this much. In our homes, we usually get prayers recited. I say, "Do it yourself." They say, "No, if a mistake is made, if the pronunciation is wrong." I said, "The Guru Sahib cannot be so cruel that a child speaking with a lisp is not loved. When our children speak with a lisp, they are more beautiful. When they start speaking clearly, they become like us. We start speaking like them in imitation." So, if our God, whom we imagine, does not punish our children for the mistakes they make while learning with a true heart, then it is those who want to become custodians of religion, custodians of that philosophy. These are their mischiefs. Now, coming to this movie or any other. If it were about some other community, or if we talked about our emotions, saying, "My emotions have been trampled by this. Ban this movie. Ban this book." Then we would be in favor of the ban. First, we should decide that whatever comes into the world, let it come. Let us have such freedom in society. Then, before this literature arrives, we should make our society so discerning and powerful, so knowledgeable, so accustomed to study, that it can differentiate between good and bad on its own. Why do governments or institutions do this differentiation for us? Not everyone's intellectual development has happened. This is a shame for you. It is also a shame for any religion, any nationality, any society, any country, that a certain percentage of its citizens are simple-minded people who can be misled. This means our society has not progressed. If you call yourselves a Sikh society, a Buddhist society, an Islamic society, a Christian society, then going back 2500 years, we can say that some people among us are still not wise and can be misled. Why have we kept our people, our community, our followers, like five-year-old children? Let them experience every aspect of life. Make them capable of experiencing those experiences. Then, after capability, create courage so that they can answer these things. This politics of printing some books, distributing some, setting others on fire, burning them, is very old. In some eras, this was also justified. In some eras, there were ways to express dissent. We used to burn things then, which was meaningful. If we apply a 200-year-old formula today, is it appropriate according to today's circumstances? Is it meaningful? And is it successful in achieving its desired results widely? This needs to be reviewed from time to time. We are sitting in the India where Mahatma Buddha gave the philosophy 2600 years ago, saying, "Do not blindly believe my words either. Do not blindly believe anything. Do not believe anything just because the wise say so. Do not believe anything because it has been followed since the past. Do not believe anything because it has come down through generations. This is a custom. Customs also need to change. Guru Nanak Sahib changed them. Every prophet, upon arriving in his time, challenged old, dilapidated customs, traditions, and ideas. And our entire society should have become a reflection of them today. This is the failure of all societies, all religions. It is a failure that even today, they feel that some of their followers, citizens, and people connected to their families can be misled. They take it for granted. This reveals the shortcomings and weaknesses of our own society. If we protest against the banning of a film, then when we demand a ban on another book, saying it should be banned, then standing there is wrong. Or, first, accept that I do not oppose anyone, whether I have seen the film or not, whether it is good or bad, whether it has artistic merit or not, whether it distorts facts or leans heavily to one side. I have not seen all these things. But despite this, I say that no ban should be imposed on it. Let them present their views. Similarly, if someone dislikes it, they should respond with art of equal or higher quality. Relying on burning, banning, and laws, these flimsy laws that we create to deceive each other and fulfill political ambitions. We should first get rid of this politics. We should free ourselves from it. Get rid of this kind of petty politics.
Most people already know what the film was about. Still, I will give a little information. It is a biographical film inspired by the life of Punjabi human rights activist Jaswant Singh Khalra. Khalra raised issues of alleged fake encounters and illegal cremations in Punjab during the 1990s. The film's journey has also been quite controversial. Its first name was Punjab '95, and finally, to be released on OTT, it was given the name Satluj. According to reports, initially, 21 cuts were demanded for the film, and later this number reached 127 cuts. It was not approved for theatrical release, but after that, it was released on OTT under the name Satluj without cuts. However, within 48 hours, it was banned there too.
First, Ramanjit Ji, I think it is important to tell our audience who Jaswant Singh Khalra was. And what is in this film? What did he do that made this film so controversial?
Yes, Jaswant Singh Khalra was a resident of Majha, meaning the Amritsar area. He was a bank employee. After 1990 in Punjab, actually in '93, when the Beant Singh government came, a campaign was launched against terrorism. In this, Beant Singh and others, after discussions with the Indian government, specifically appointed KPS Gill as the DGP of Punjab. After appointing him as DGP, he was given a free hand to take action. The government's stance, the Congress government led by Beant Singh, was to eradicate terrorism and the violence happening in the state of Punjab. So, immediate control should be established over the groups and organizations active in this, and whatever action is possible, do it. So, after giving a free hand, much that was legal and illegal happened, and legal and illegal is still happening today. This is not just a matter after '95. And then Jaswant Singh Khalra took up a mission. His mission was that in many police encounters in Punjab, people were killed, calling them unidentified. Then their bodies were put in the category of unidentified, and their cremation was not done. It cannot even be called cremation. It's just burning, a way to dispose of the body. If these matters are legally investigated, then the case of disposing of the body is the first section that comes to my mind. That will be applied, and then other charges will be applied for whatever else was done. So, one aspect was this: when Khalra collected documents from crematoriums at his level in a few places, it was revealed that so many unidentified bodies had arrived. Now, if an unidentified body is found, if it is well-preserved, then it can be identified. Sometimes, Sikhs can be identified by their appearance, Muslims, Sikhs, or Hindus. Sometimes, it's not possible. Between Hindus and Sikhs, if the hair is cut, it sometimes becomes difficult to distinguish which person's body it is and what their ideology was. Now, if these are bodies of people killed by bullets, whose are they? Anyway, he came up with a figure of about 25,000. And when he presented this figure globally, he presented the case that the government committed so much oppression, and many innocent people were killed in this. If this is investigated more deeply, this aspect emerges. After that, regarding Jaswant Singh Khalra, it is also said that one day some people came to his house and abducted him. It is generally believed that some police officers took him away, or what happened. Anyway, the family was not given any information, and then it is also said that he was murdered. Now, how was he murdered? If the body was found, we could say. Now it's an estimate. Some say he was shot, some say he was tortured, what happened to him, nothing is known. Then later, they say that his body was thrown into the river. So, the story stands up to this point. After that, from 1995 onwards, Jaswant Singh Khalra was mentioned occasionally, but the intensity has increased so much that a film needed to be made about him. A film was made. Daljit, a very famous Punjabi singer and actor, has now become an actor. He is in this film. These actors, I cannot say how high their art is, but they have become very rich through this art. I never paid much attention to their words, what they said. I saw a minor old film once, and it wasn't a particularly special film then. Anyway, all this happens. It was a matter of political necessity then, and it is still a matter of political necessity now. And this film, based on Jaswant Singh Khalra, has been made. Now, how does the BJP want to enter the Punjab elections? What are its political ambitions? We will figure that out. In short, this was Khalra's achievement, which everyone acknowledges. No one can deny that our governments do not work with justice, and how can the police work? The police are still oppressive. They were oppressive during the British era too. Our police have never truly served the people. Look at other government institutions. All this tells us that there hasn't been any major change in our system. But once, the atmosphere in Punjab was very bad, in which Khalra investigated from one perspective. Some people also say that he only spoke for Sikhs. And brother, our society has been taught this. Is there anyone among us who can rise above these things and see everyone with the eye of humanity? Some talk about Hindus, some talk about Sikhs. There are a handful of people who talk about all of Punjab, saying that the soul of Punjab was tormented. Okay. Now, in this chaos, some speak from one side. Some find this ban acceptable, some do not. Although, based on facts, it was a very bad thing. But further, we will discuss what has happened for human rights, we will discuss that too. But this was Khalra's contribution, on which the film was made. Because of this film, some police officers in Punjab were directly implicated. One of them, Ajit Singh Sandhu, even committed suicide. The names of two or four others came up. After that, the Punjab Police also went on the back foot. The Punjab Police, which boldly came forward and, in the name of campaigning against terrorism, did what we can say were their own arbitrary actions with open hands. And that era of arbitrary actions was also a period. The other side, about whom we don't talk at all, those who are called Khalistani supporters, they also had various factions. Some were at the level of ideology, some at the level of weapons. Even at the weapon level, there wasn't just one organization; there were many types of organizations. There was also conflict among those organizations. For example, the Punjab Police. Now, in this too, most of the people are Sikhs, or people born into the Sikh religion. Most of them are in the Punjab Police. This is not the police of Hindus, Muslims, or Christians, or Jews. This means a Sikh can be bad, and a Sikh can be good. A Sikh cannot be presented as an innocent, separate unit. If a Sikh is innocent, then the cruel Sikh who kills him is also standing there, wearing the uniform of the Punjab Police, or perhaps in some other guise. So, we try to confine it to a very small scope and collect it in a pot. Just like we say that Muslims committed many atrocities against the Gurus during the time of the Gurus. But at the same time, there were Muslims who walked alongside the Gurus and supported them in their struggles. But when we have to paint something with religion, we start painting with the same color using a dirty brush. That color doesn't last. This color won't last either. This is from the Guru's era. Now, recently, in the Iran issue, many people started saying, "Muslims are inherently like this." How can all Muslims be like that? Okay. Let's create a separate definition for Hindus, saying they are all bad. There are Hindus among those who save, and there are Hindus among those who kill. There were Sikhs among those who killed, and Sikhs among those who were killed. There were Hindus among those who were killed, and Hindus among those who killed. This happens in all religions. Look at Pakistan, they are separate now. In Pakistan, the rapes and murders that happen, are they committed by people of other religions? Do people of the same religion oppress their own population there? Does a Hindu not loot a Hindu here? Does a Hindu not commit atrocities against a Hindu? Does a Sikh not loot a Sikh? Everyone loots each other. But our fight should not be centered on looting. We get caught in the confusion of religions and become fodder for politics, and then it consumes us.
I don't understand. If all this happened in the 1990s, and many years have passed since then, then why is there so much controversy surrounding this film even today? After all, what is the government afraid of? Why doesn't the government want this film to reach the world or the people?
Look, the current government, which is in power across India, I am talking about the central government, not the Punjab government. It has a game going on across India, called Hindu-Muslim. A big binary has been drawn: keep doing Hindu-Muslim. Now, in Punjab, the problem is not Hindu-Muslim. Although Sikhs are in the majority, 55-54%, they are Sikhs. So, here the majority is... In the rest of the country, we consider everyone Hindu, right? That India is a Hindu-majority country. Although the definition of Hindu itself needs clarification here, they are forcefully painting it. To create a new enemy, they have started calling India a Hindu India. India is not Hindu. Let's focus on that first. Punjab, being a Sikh-majority state, the narrative of Sikh versus Muslim won't work because Muslims are very few. And from that, who will get votes? So, the need was to create a Sikh versus Hindu narrative. Congress also created this during that terrorism, and it also burned in that fire. Congress also burned in this fire. It staked its political future on short-term, opportunistic policies. Today, Congress is stumbling everywhere in terms of votes. And does the BJP think that by following the same formula, it will get different results? Brother, you will reap what you sow. What Congress sowed, Congress reaped. Now, what you sow, you will reap. In Punjab, and especially the Akali Dal, because Sikhs are in the majority, and the Akali Dal represents Sikhs, and the Akali Dal thought, "Our government will remain forever. We will keep appealing in the name of religion in the majority area, and votes will keep coming." But still, something new happens. For that, there have been schemes to break the Akali Dal, to prepare a new group or a new unit of sympathizers of the Sikh religion or people dedicated to the Sikh religion in its place. By creating a contrast, the Akalis start appearing liberal and corrupt. And this type of group has always been created. Now, even today, a new political show is being sought from Sikh politics, or Sikh politics, or Sikh mentality, or Sikh emotions, which will break the Sikh vote in Punjab. Congress has nothing. BJP will find its way by making small adjustments. This is all its design. Now, like Amritpal, he is in jail. And in Dibrugarh, they will release him at any time. Whether they release him or put him in jail, politics is at play behind it. Now, regarding the ban on this film, what ban is left? Because the way this film is being popularized, the BJP will try to benefit a lot through this movie. Because for the BJP, it's an easy narrative to create: "These atrocities happened during Congress's time. All these murders were done by Congress." Okay. For those who don't know, this can be made believable to many of them, especially those who won't even read. So, they are looking for a way out of this, and they will find it. Because they know that the majority of people will not study themselves. If someone sits down diligently and starts researching, they will not fall into this trap. They will realize what the matter is. They will not give justice to Jaswant Singh Khalra. Similarly, no one has ever given justice to the victims of '84. Billions of rupees can be collected worldwide in the name of '84, but it will not reach the victims of '84. Yes, those who sing the tune of '84, they earn from it. They earn from it. But I have seen the victims of '84. Some of my friends were also victims. I went to Mohali. My house was in Phase 10, Phase 11 was at the very corner. Now, of course, it's inside. Many apartments were built there, in the thousands. And they used to say they were built for the victims of '84. And even in those, people made fake documents of the second number and occupied them. Who took them on rent? Who rented them out? Some took them in the name of a quota, and later rented them out. Many such things happened. Our own people are not ashamed to eat ill-gotten gains. They know that their sins can be forgiven by worshiping in the morning and evening. They sin openly. They lie openly. So, in these matters, the real victims remain victims, whether they are Hindu, or of any religion, or not. No one cares about the victim. Those who are in the business of earning, by referencing these things, are now turning Gaza into the same Holocaust by referencing the Israeli Holocaust. They have the card of a victim. They need an identity card of a victim in their hand. This mentality needs to be differentiated.
Now let's talk about Operation Hardball. Today, the FBI, RCMP, and other international agencies have announced a major crackdown under Operation Hardball. In this operation, transactional organized crime networks connected to Lawrence Bishnoi, Ravinder Tanda, and Jaggu Bhagwanpuria have been targeted. US prosecutors allege that Bishnoi and Goldy Brar ordered the murder of Hardeep Singh Nijjar in 2023. The indictment also states that these networks are involved in crimes like extortion, drug trafficking, kidnapping, arms smuggling, and targeted killings. All these are currently allegations by the courts, and all accused are presumed innocent until proven guilty in court according to the law. Meaning, my question might be a bit unusual, but Lawrence Bishnoi is in government custody, right? He is with the government. If he is imprisoned in your jail, then the question arises: how is it possible to run such a large international crime network from jail?
If you want to see the diligence of governments, try to evade tax by even half a rupee in India. If you pay one rupee less tax, you will understand the diligence of the Indian government. The law is made for the poor, common man, who has no real influence or recommendation. These activities can never happen without political patronage. And it's not that America, Canada, these progressive countries, their governments are not corrupt. They are equally corrupt here too. The only difference is that some things are clear here, while some things are hidden. They are sophisticated white-collar criminals, while ours are the ones who tear clothes. So, there is a lot going on between the politics there and the politics here. Here too, many gangs are run with the help of the CIA. Many drug cartels operate. They did the opium business in Afghanistan for 20 years, heavily. That's why fentanyl precursors come from China, and then there are discussions about it. And then the people of China also have a sentiment that they were kept immersed in opium for 100 years through the Opium Wars. So, let them taste drugs for a while. So, drugs are not easily overcome. They are not easily overcome. Patronage is involved. And the goons who are nurtured, there are two types of things. One is that in Punjab, in India, it is very commonly said that "he is an agent of the agencies." Now, in Punjab, those who were killed by the police, if they were innocent, they were innocent people, and the police killed them. Those of other religions, Hindus, or comrades, or others, who were pulled out of buses and killed here, they would say, "It was the work of the agencies." Although organizations directly took responsibility for many murders in newspapers. Like Bishnoi and others take responsibility. Tomorrow they will deny it. Time will pass. When did they take responsibility? No one took it. He was innocent. They will create a story. So, agencies do exist, agencies do work. But keep one thing in mind: agencies don't give money to everyone. First, they look for fools, emotional people who can be incited emotionally. If such a person is found, they will work for free. If it's a very intelligent person, but if they are used, they can make a big difference according to your plans. Then they are given some temptations. Whatever temptation they like, lust, money, land, property, business abroad, whatever temptation it is, they are given that bait. But it is given strategically. Whenever action is to be taken against these people, or when they are caught, they have no real heirs. From small politicians to big politicians, they also keep their own gangs. But their gangs are so intertwined with them that they don't even believe that a day will come when they will also be traded off. They can be traded off anytime. Now, these Bishnoi and others, the actions being taken by them fit into a specific narrative. Like the Salman Khan case. Sidhu Moose Wala fought the election on a Congress ticket. His death was so unfortunate. But the things before his death, he still had to stabilize his life, become balanced. He was still a young man, wavering. At that time, these things are exploited. Now, on this side, Simranjit Singh Mann was trying to get him. On the other side, he fought the election on a Congress ticket and lost the election. So, there is a lot involved in these matters, how to use them. Bishnoi and others also took responsibility for his murder. So, now, like the murder of Hardeep Singh Nijjar, on May 18, 2023, two individuals came and shot him in the parking lot as he was leaving a Gurdwara Sahib in Surrey, British Columbia. Later, they took responsibility. What is there? The Indian government, the current government led by BJP, listen to one word from them, which you will remember as soon as you hear it: "Ghus kar marenge, ghar mein ghus kar marenge" (We will enter and kill, we will enter their homes and kill). Now, this is the narrative of countries like Israel. Because the entire Western world stands behind it. This is the real injustice and justice in the world. Its seal determines what is against human rights and what is in favor of them. These human rights organizations, many of which were active in Punjab at that time too. They only made the issue of human rights a matter for those killed by the police, or those who could be proven to be killed by the police. Those who were pulled out of buses and killed, like now Preet Ladi, Gurbaksh Singh Preet Ladi, his magazine Preet Ladi, its editor Sumit Singh, and his brother Hirdeypal Singh. Hirdeypal Singh had a beard and wore a turban. Sumit was clean-shaven, perhaps with a mustache. The two brothers left on a scooter. In Amritsar, Khalistanis came on a motorcycle. They stopped them. He said, "You have seated a Hindu." He said, "This is my own brother." "Bring him down. Bring him down." They shot him. He said, "Don't shoot. My brother..." He said, "Look, I'll show you my face, I have a turban." "His face looks like mine." But that made him even more of an infidel. A Sikh with cut hair. He was shot and they left. He was groaning. He was still trying to gather his brother and take him somewhere. They came back. They saw he was still groaning. Then they came back and shot him again. Now, they cannot be included in Sikhism. My own friend, we worked together in journalism for a long time. He was also shot in Chandigarh. He told me for the first time, "Raman, when a bullet hits the stomach, it's like water coming out of a tap. I put my hand, and blood came out through my fingers." He said, "Does it hurt?" He said, "So much blood came out so fast that I started losing consciousness." He said, "The pain was less, and unconsciousness was more." I don't know, after 15-16 days, people told me that I was admitted to PGI, and then I survived. So, a lot happened. He was also a clean-shaven Hindu. So, it's not that if you talk about Hindus, you are against Sikhs, and if you talk about Sikhs, you are against Hindus. Those who create narratives will keep creating them. They will not leave you without putting you in a binary. By keeping you in that identity and trapping you in it, by stripping away humanity, by stripping away humanity. Now we say religious. A religious person can be spiritual, violent, or sectarian. Now, if someone becomes sectarian, they will not fit the definition of religious. If they become violent, they will not fit into religious. If they become spiritual, they might emerge. But how many people have achieved spirituality to this day? How many have studied themselves? Those who read less will do such things. So, behind all this system and trickery, these things work. The narrative of "Ghus kar marenge" that the BJP used to give, it was accepted by Israel and America. They killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan. You also tried to take action against Pakistan, using the pretext of the Balakot attack. America told you to stop. And after that, in Parliament, the opposition parties, Rahul Gandhi, taunted you endlessly, saying, "Just say it once, Trump didn't say it." You couldn't utter a word. You couldn't utter a word. Then Trump also mocked, saying he was drinking water in Parliament, his breath was gone. So, we are that thing. Now, the "Ghus kar marenge" narrative. If Lawrence Bishnoi takes responsibility for the murder of Hardeep Nijjar, then they will say internally, "Our teeth are for eating, and different for showing. We can take direct action, or indirect action." So, many such confusions will be created. We need to protect ourselves. We have to prepare our own ideological direction. As long as you don't work on your thoughts yourself, if it's borrowed, take someone else's pre-made program. In that, you have to write "I agree." You have to give your opinion. Customize it, say, "This is not right according to me. Make changes in this." Every party brings its pre-made agenda. In that, they first present two good things to see, and then they push through 20 bad things. So, in this, America has taken action now. It has been taken against 37 people, and 24 have been arrested. Okay. The names of three people come up in this. But in the entire story, the part related to Canada, when Justin Trudeau raised such a big issue in August-September 2023, and India and Canada had a standoff, and then he said that India's direct involvement is suspected in the murder of Hardeep Singh Nijjar. Now, America has not named the Indian government in this action, but it has named these people. And America, Canada, Mexico, Israel, and all the countries in the world, they never take responsibility for the people they keep in the deep state. They are not on salaries and pensions. They are given other types of incentives. Other types of incentives are given. So, if the government of any country has taken direct action, if it has, it will announce it. If it has taken indirect action like this, it will never be proven. Because these people are told beforehand, spies, that if you are caught, we will not own you.
Meaning, you are saying that whatever the FBI and similar agencies have done, this big operation, it will have no significant impact? It will only be limited to headlines.
Look, Arzoo, what happened during the Hardeep Nijjar incident, when Canada raised such a big issue, stopped visas, recalled diplomats, and where are we today? I am sitting here in Canada, and people are getting visas from Canada and going to India. The Hardeep Nijjar issue is still unresolved. Those who killed him are also unresolved. So, what happened? They create so much hype that these things don't last.
If the US allegations are proven in court, what will be the impact on India-Canada relations?
India-Canada relations have already become more strained than before. They do trade-offs, right? Neither Canada is very sincere about terrorism, nor is India. Those who were killed were the people of their homes. No one cares about anyone later. So, let's not take these things too emotionally. Because the governments that are working, that don't provide you with Medicare, that don't provide you with any other facilities, why would they regret your death? They have eaten up children's schools, oil, wells, who knows what they have eaten. For them, one or two murders are not a big deal. Now, Lawrence Bishnoi, to prove himself a Robin Hood, gave a lot of justification, saying Sidhu Moose Wala had flaws, this person had flaws, Salman Khan, as if to say, those were the sentiments of the Bishnoi tribe, where the blackbuck was killed. That also goes against the tradition of Hindustan. Meaning, they justify themselves according to people's sentiments, saying, "Yes, I did what even the government cannot do, because we do not tolerate it." But if every individual starts calculating according to their own understanding and decides that according to my religion, this person is doing wrong, and I will go and shoot him, this will lead to chaos and anarchy. We need to build a system. Although the system we are living in is not very good, but by removing its flaws, we need to build a better society. Should we destroy society? Choose one of these two paths.
I like how you said that neither Canada nor India is affected. For both sides, this issue is important only as long as it suits their political narrative. And the media today, the way it sugarcoats for the government and tries to show the government in a positive light, tries to show every operation in a positive light for the government. Then it becomes very important for someone to state the facts as they are, without distorting them, no matter how harsh and dark they are.
Absolutely. It is really hard to call a spade a spade, but some people gather a little courage, or their circumstances favor them, and they talk about these topics. But most people hesitate to tell the truth. For example, in India, we operate with a narrative. In Punjab, or from the Khalistan angle, when we talk, we say, "India is a country of Hindus." First of all, from where have we made it a country of Hindus? If we talk about a specific type of religious life or rituals in India, then they are only a thousand years old. The word Hindu was heard only a thousand years ago, and that too when Muslims came as invaders from there. In that, there is a theory, which is very interesting, and we will end today's discussion with this. They say that the people of the Indus Valley region, or the people across the Indus River, they called all of them Sindhu. But they couldn't pronounce 'S', so they used the 'H' sound. They started calling Sindhu as Hindu. I said, brother, Islam, the Islamic country, Islamic culture, civilization, and religion. It depends on 'S'. In Islam, 'S' in Madrasa, 'S' in Badshah, the sound of 'Sh' comes. Lashkar. It has 'S'. You don't understand why they forgot to make the 'S' sound only after entering the Sindhu region and started making it 'H'. If they were Hindu before that, what was our name then? Then, on whose name was the civilization of the entire India, which you call Hindu India, running for thousands of years? Before that, for four or five thousand years, let's say three and a half thousand years, that civilization was running. When was the era of Buddha? What was its name then? Is it Brahmanism, Sanatan Dharma, or Hinduism? And how will you define it? And what is its period? What is the period of Buddha? How was Buddha finished? So, India's history is entangled in a few small matters, and we say we will pass the time, but it cannot be muddied like this. With the technology of the coming times, with the spread of education in the coming times, the true history of India will also be recognized. When history is recognized, we will differentiate between the things that have been distorted in history. Then perhaps we will find the right path. My hope is that humans progress. And they will differentiate all these things and guide themselves correctly. In our generation, people still shy away from studies. They shy away from reading about their religion. They don't want to know their religions, especially those who call themselves Hindu today. At least they have hundreds of types of scriptures. It could be 108, because we say Shri Shri 108, meaning 108 scriptures have been read. At least let them read all of them once and understand their contradictions, then we will move forward on a new journey.
One thing is clear from today's conversation: history, politics, and justice cannot be seen only in black and white colors. Every story has many aspects, and asking questions is very important to reach the truth. Just accepting one narrative is not a good thing. And that's all for today. Thank you very much, Mr. Amanjit. We will meet again tomorrow with new facts and new news. Until then, bye-bye.
Yes, Arzoo, thank you very much. Okay.