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are first starting out, you have no leverage, no experience, and no safety net. So, I want to provide a pathway where people can learn and grow without the fear of financial ruin.
In summary, the key differences between my previous e-learning company and Digital Launchpad are the focus on practical skills, the quality of the content, and the accessibility of the program. Digital Launchpad is designed to help people make their first $1,000 online, with a strong emphasis on community support and real-world applications. We aim to provide a comprehensive learning experience that empowers individuals to succeed in their entrepreneurial journeys.
Ultimately, my mission is to reform the education system and make high-quality learning accessible to everyone, regardless of their background or financial situation. Digital Launchpad is a step towards achieving that goal, and I am excited to see the impact it will have on people's lives.
First start, more than likely you will fail. It will be harder for longer than you think it will be, but once you get your first success, it'll probably be quicker than you could ever anticipate. And that's just the way the world works. You know, the world works when it rains, it pours. So I do agree with your statement that getting that first client can seem monumental and can seem very, very difficult, and it probably will be more difficult than you think it will be. You know, when I got my first client, I wasn't really intending to get a client; it just happened accidentally. That was August of 2016. It was seven months later that I got my second client. So that's seven months. Most people would give up in that time, but one of the reasons I didn't give up was that it wasn't costing me anything to try. You know, maybe whatever, $30 a month on some software I was using back then.
Yeah, so you know how you mentioned there that you've got clients that have been making upwards of $10,000 a month, right? Have you got a model that's going to come out where it may cost someone, you know, substantially more, but then it unlocks a different... it's almost like it's not made... it's not a program made for beginners; it's now made for, okay, cool, you've made your first $10K within this field consistently. Let's just say you've got to do it for a period of six months straight before you can do anything else, and then they can now enter another realm of the digital world that's costing a lot more, but they can gain a lot more back. For example, if we're given the tea analogy, the tea example is the real world, and then his upsell to that is the War Room. Have you got anything like that coming, or do I have intention to make products more expensive? Probably not. I've actually been trending in the other direction, and the reason why is because, especially with my e-learning stuff, this has been my goal the entire time, which is to reform the education system. For me to have a $30,000 program doesn't reform the education system; it doesn't get me to where I want to go with that mission. And then financially, like, I'm okay. I'm pretty good with my other businesses, so I don't need to worry about that or try to extract as much juice or this or that.
I just had a question regarding the people who are actually teaching in the Digital Launchpad. Just a simple question: what's in it for them? Do they get a commission from the monthly subscription, or is it to be associated with yourself, or how does it work? Once again, when you... I mean, most of these people don't need to be associated. Bear in mind, most of these people inside have millions and millions of followers. So there are a few angles I could go; some I guess I could say, but it won't mean anything here. First of all, there are good incentive structures for every single person that's inside. The reason I've been able to do this and bring the people that I've been able to bring on is because they all benefit in some way. And a structured deal... for some people, money is all they care about, and that's just the truth. And I know that's all they care about. For some people, for example, there's one individual who, through his teaching and some of his stuff, he uses a software that people don't know, but he basically owns the software, and he's now sold the software.
Okay, yeah, okay, interesting. And he was able to sell the software because he had hockey stick growth since being inside of Digital Launchpad. Now here's the thing: it's actually the best software. We don't allow software on there that aren't the best solution. It just so happened that the best solution was the solution that he owned, which made me double happy and then triple happy when he sold the company for life-changing sums of money. So that's that one side of things as to why people are coming on to Digital Launchpad. The other side of things is once people are in my ecosystem, and this is why maybe you've experienced part of it, or some of it you haven't met the rest of the team, bro. Once you meet the rest of the team, being around my team... I've seen it with multi, multi, multi-millionaires where I've had multi-millionaires try to drop everything they're doing to work at one of my companies because they just want to be a part of the team. Like, once you're around my organization, it's like this different world. You know, I can say it on camera, but it won't mean anything to someone until they're actually around me, my team, and they see the way that we operate and just how much fun we have while we're doing it.
So I think that's one of the big reasons as well is people teach inside Digital Launchpad because they want to be close to the team, and they know that it's going to benefit them in some way or another. They know benefit. And I think also the other thing is they know that I'm a good long-term play. And I will give myself a pat on the back; I will still be around in five or ten years. And without going into specifics, there are very few people I can say about that in this industry. You know, lots of people with lots of things going on, and I don't know if they'll be here in five or ten years. So I think a lot of people that are in education just know that I'm always a person that will build bigger and better things and try to get people involved and elevate people, and I think they just want to be a part of that as well.
Yeah, fair. I want to use this point of the podcast to now talk about investments, right? Because off the back of Digital Launchpad, let's just say someone signed up, they've made $10,000. In the same video that you released, you said, you know, we always hear that typical thing of, you know, invest, invest, invest, reinvest back into your business, reinvest back into your business. And in this case, you don't necessarily need to do that all the time. So if we had to imagine, let's just say... I don't even have to... how to put this in the best ways because you say there's different stages of investing, which I agree with, correct? You know, you make your first $10K, you make your first $100K, then you make your millions, and then so on and so forth. So I think let's start off like this: let's talk about ways you invest your money first at the stage you are now, and then we'll give you an example. Let's just say someone who's made their first $10,000, and how do they invest their way going forward?
Yeah, so one of the things about investing is you're going to have to find out what kind of investor you are, and that takes time. For example, three years ago, like I remember three years ago, I had a million... at one point, I had $8 million in a hot wallet in crypto. Yep, there would be weeks it would go down $2 million. I didn't give a [ __ ]! Like, I was just... I don't know what it was. And the other thing is I had only started really investing the year before. That was actually... that's one of my biggest regrets is that I didn't start investing sooner. I had successful businesses, and I had good cash piles, but I only started investing really in 2020. And the way I invested was I put a million dollars into Bitcoin in November of 2020, late November, early December. And yeah, I'm not going to sit here and say I'm a genius or... it was luck. 99% of people who have made money in crypto, it's luck. And 99% of people in crypto aren't intelligent enough to admit that to themselves. At least I'm honest; it was [ __ ] luck. And, you know, I was also very public about my portfolio. You know, I remember on YouTube, I put up a video that said, "My $7 million crypto portfolio," and I joked inside of it. I said, "Oh, next week it might be worth double, or it might be worth half." Next week, what happened? It was worth half. And, you know, I ended up riding it through the summer of... what was that? That must have been 2021. And then, yeah, I eventually sold at the back end of 2021. But once again, I will admit most of that was luck. But the reason I bring that up is because that shows my mindset back then, which is I was reckless. I didn't give a [ __ ] as an investor. These days... and I remember back then in 2021, 2020, I was like, "Why would anyone buy bonds? Like, why would anyone... what do they get?" I mean, back then, obviously, bonds were yielding half a percent, 1%. Bonds really were genuinely not worth it back then. But even like 5%, I was like, "How are people... why would anyone ever invest and try to get a 5% return? Like, I'll wipe my ass with 5%. That's nothing," blah, blah. What happened? These days, October, November, I bought millions and millions and millions of dollars of bonds yielding between 5% to 6%: Saudi bonds, Apple bonds, US government bonds, different companies that actually produce. I don't like buying bonds from banks because they don't actually produce anything. So you can see in what was that, two and a half years, something like that, how my mindset changed so much as an investor. I am like a grandpa investor these days. I buy stocks. Yeah, I buy a stock into a stock market even when I don't want to. Like, every time, every Tuesday, an amount automatically gets deduced from one of my private banks I work with. So every day, every week on Tuesday... we don't invest on Mondays or Fridays because you don't want to invest around market open or market closed because, yeah, it can be a lot of volatility. So we invest every single week on Tuesday, and every single week when that money goes out, first of all, I guess I don't even realize it goes out, but knowing it pisses me off because I don't want to invest in the stock market. The reason why is because I believe the stock market is incredibly overvalued as it currently stands. But I've just decided, you know what, let me just not think too much and let me just do what I know works, which is dollar-cost averaging, and I can't go wrong with it. And that's one side of my investment. I've got other sides of my investment, etc., etc.
So I think just learning what kind of investor you are... even for me, as I started investing in property a lot of property a couple of years ago, I've kind of come to a realization. For me, success used to be every single month I want to buy a property. Now I'm at a point where I want to buy a property twice a year. I mean, for investment purposes, not for personal use, but I want to buy a property twice a year, which is, you know, rather than buying a property every single month, I'd rather buy a property that's cost six times as much and wait every six months and only have one tenant to deal with. And I would also rather take, like, for example, in all my properties, I only accept a year, year payment upfront. And I know I lose potential customers or potential tenants because of it. I know that I charge less money because of it, but for me... and I have a team that handles all this. I have my family office; I have my CFO. So it's not like I'm the one collecting, you know, rent payments and this stuff. But just the idea that someone's late on their rent pisses me off so much where I'm like, the return on this just simply isn't worth it. So this is stuff that you will learn as time goes on.
It's almost like... sorry to interrupt you there. It's almost like the tenants or people like... then MH of people who want to be in, you know, some... you've bought a villa like this, and then renting this out, yeah, would be insane for someone like yourself to come along. Yeah, I'll pay you upfront, done. Correct? Make your life easier. Correct. But the point is, that's something that you learn over time. When I was young, I thought that success meant as much real estate. I just wanted to own as many doors as humanly possible. Now I've kind of come to terms where I'm willing to make less money if that means less complexity and less headache. That's also the stage of life that I'm at right now. Who knows? Maybe in 20 years, where all I am is an investor; I don't have my business anymore. I just focus on my investments. Then maybe, you know, things will be different.
So all that summarized to say that everyone's going to have a different risk tolerance. Everyone's going to have different things that they like to make money from. They also have different competitive advantages. Competitive advantages still apply to investments. If your family has been in property for 30 years, yeah, you should probably [ __ ] get into property, and you should probably get into property in the same place that they got into property. Use your competitive advantages. I didn't have any competitive advantages on that front, so I guess I've just had to play around in the sand and find what works for me and what doesn't work for me. So I could tell people... I've kind of told people, I guess, my philosophy around investing in this. It applies to such a small amount, which is why, as I said online, I usually have to dumb myself down because I can't really talk about what I've got going on because it applies to about 12 people in the audience, and then I'm doing a disservice by putting out content that only applies to such a small minute amount of people.
Yeah, so that's why I have to talk about some of the more basic stuff and the more generalizations. So we're talking about people at their beginning stage. The best thing that you can invest in... and it annoys me that I have to say this, or it irks me when I say this because I can understand how it can come across as disingenuous, but the best thing you can invest in is yourself. And I'll explain why. The best... and I don't care what you buy. I don't care if you take a £200 course on accounting. I don't care. Literally anything. But the point is, because you are the business. For so long as you are the business, you are the only revenue generator, and you are the predictor of how successful that business is. So the more capable you are as a person means the more capable the business is. Now, as time goes on and you grow your business, your business will outgrow you, and your business success will not be determined or should not be determined by you as a person. You should have created this organism, this living, breathing organism that can survive and sustain without you.
So to bring that back as to why it's so important to invest in yourself, because you really don't have any other lever to pull. That's really the only thing that you've got going for yourself when you're, you know, really in the first couple of years of business. Like, you are the business, and you are the thing that will either determine whether the business dies or whether it succeeds. So make yourself as strong as possible, make yourself as knowledgeable as possible, make yourself as skilled as you can humanly be. And that's why I say invest in yourself, whatever it is. And that doesn't mean that, you know, buy some shiny online program, this, that. It could literally be a boring qualification you get in accounting or finance because I swear some of the [ __ ] that sounds boring is genuinely very, very useful in business.
Yeah, of course, of course. Do you know what? If we had to bring it to the example of someone who gets paid $10,000 a month, all of what you just said applies there. And also, I just... on a podcast, funny enough, with someone who's a private investment banker, right? Works for CS Bank in the UK, and he's just written a book. In the book, he's got a very powerful statement, a very good statement, which is, "Get a grip of where your money is." And what was it? I wrote it down. Remember exactly. "If you can't see where your money is going, your money can't see what you're trying to achieve with it." Now, with that being said, I like the idea of someone who earns their first $10,000 in their month or whatever the case may be, but also having the idea and the knowledge of what to do with the money once they got it and strategizing and planning around that because I feel like that's a very, very important thing. Because if someone... I was a victim of it as well. Made a good amount of money. What do you do with the first amount of money when you first see it? If you don't have any plans for it, yeah, you end up blowing it. Yeah, so I think it's very, very important for people who make their first lot of money, whether it's from Digital Launchpad or whatever else they're doing, to have something in place in mind, ready to put their money in and do it.
So I think it's interesting, man. I was going to ask you if you have someone on your team there, but you did mention right there that you've got a family office. What do you mean by that exactly? You've got people in the family that just look after investments? A family office is basically an office that takes care of the affairs and the business ongoings of a family. Yeah, so my family is AKA me. Yeah, so basically, yes, a family office will take care of the investments, accounting, tax strategy, offshore planning, all the stuff. Basically, they take care of my family, which at the moment is obviously just me.
Look, Iman, let's take a step away from Iman as we know it. Let's take a step away from finance, his business, the whole lot. Let's just chill between two guys, and let me just ask you a simple question, bro. Sure. What means the most to you in life right now? For me, fulfillment. Like, doing difficult things. And, you know, I really, really, really look forward to being a father. Is that something that's on the cards? Because you said it in the beginning as well: marriage and kids? Yeah, probably within the next few years. You got someone in mind?
Listen, the thing is, the dumbest thing you could ever do is put your relationships and your lifestyle on social media. So like, whether I did, whether I didn't, yeah, either way, it's just like no one would ever know. No one would ever know. Like, respect if anyone thinks that my wife is ever going to be on social media; you're [ __ ] insane. Not one of these influencers before you start guessing. No, no, no chance. So, you know, I look forward to... I really look forward to being a father and an amazing husband to one wife, by the way. To clarify, because, yeah, for me, I want to have the family that I didn't have. And I just feel like... I think back to three years ago. If I had stayed in that place where I was a seven out of ten, like, I don't know if I would be able to impart the same wisdom that I can right now when it comes time that my children are born. Like, I just feel like I've gone through so much chaos and headache and stress, and like so much... I've broadened my horizon so, so much, but I still have so much farther to go. Like, there's so much [ __ ] I don't know that will make me a better father, and I just know that there will come a time where I... I think being a father is really important in the later stages. This is just my opinion. I know everyone has different opinions. I'm not saying this is right or wrong.
And here's the other thing, funny enough, I don't [ __ ] have kids. So maybe if you want to learn how to raise kids properly, have one. Go listen to someone who actually has kids. So this is just simply my opinion. As I said, there's certain things where I can speak from a place of authority, and there's certain places where I'm just going to give you my opinion. This is one of those things. I'm just going to give you my opinion for sure. And my opinion is that as a father, you're really the most impactful from age 8 to 10 onwards, where you're really imparting life lessons and wisdom and this and that. Before those ages, I think the mother is far more important—nurturing, taking care. Like, you know, you've got this being, this thing that's just weak and frail and trying to grow up and become strong in this world.
So all that to say that I'm just excited to keep living more and more life and keep getting more and more lessons because I just feel like what I'm going through right now will make me so much better as a father and also make me so much better as a husband as well. And for me, that's important because I don't know what a healthy family looks like. I don't come from... I come from a lineage of broken families. Well, I guess my grandparents on my mom's side, you know, they've stayed married until my grandfather's death. But apart from that, like, I look at, you know, my mom's sisters and brothers, you know, most of them are divorced. Obviously, my mom and my dad, like that... you know, I've never had a family. So that's why for me, I just think I have a chance to be the person to end that lineage, and I have a chance to really get my [ __ ] together as a person because there's still so much [ __ ] I need to work on as a person to be the best partner I could be. And that is a skill, and I think that's a worthy skill—learning how to be in a healthy relationship.
Listen, like I've had a lot of craziness in my life. I've experienced a lot of things. Like, listen, go have your fun, go [ __ ] around, go do this, go blah blah, this, that. Like, go sleep with all the supermodels you never thought you'd sleep with. I've done [ __ ] all of it a hundred times over. That does not compare to, like, getting your [ __ ] together as a man and knowing how to be firm when you need to be firm with your wife, your partner, whatever it is, and also how to be gentle when you need to be gentle and how to realize there's certain times where you're like, "Oh [ __ ], I was actually being unfair in that situation." It takes a real big [ __ ] man to admit that. And especially, you know, a person like me, who everything's like firm and to the book and this and that. Like, I think I'm in a stage right now where I'm really preparing for that next phase of life, and I'm looking forward to it.
Do you think that that's something... I mean, look, because admittedly you have everything around you. You know, thank God you've got businesses, you've got money, you've got a team. Do you think that that's the aspect, the piece of peace that needs to be filled? Like, Mel, listen, I've fulfilled everything, to be honest. If you look at all the material stuff, outside of that, you've got your faith now. Faith, especially in the last 18 months, I mean, two years, is something that has been a priority to me and something that I focus on. For me, your faith and your wife are two things that do not belong on social media. That's just me personally, my opinion. Now, I don't think it's a wrong thing. I just, for me personally, in my position, I just feel like those are things that I prefer being private.
Okay, so by faith, are we talking about religion here? Yes. Okay, so obviously I know your religion; you're a Muslim, right? So I agree with you because I have the mindset of your relationship with God is your relationship with God. But then I started to speak about it as well on podcasts, and the amount of messages, especially after the given take, the Quan, because it's not something I do with every single guest. But then I saw the impact that it has of, you know, spreading the message of Islam. And I'm not saying you have to incorporate it in all your pieces of content. I'm not saying you've got to do this and preach it on a daily basis of faith. But I think even something as small as letting people know that a man of influence like yourself is a Muslim, you know, and, you know, I'm not saying... no, I'm not perfect; you're not perfect; no one's ever perfect in the religion. But even if you're trying to portray that to your audience, I think it's a beautiful thing because you don't realize the impact it has. And if you want to look at it from a faith perspective and a perspective of religion, God sees the efforts that you're doing to bring more people closer to God, which I've definitely felt in the past 18 months as well, two years or something like that, off maybe off the back of that tap podcast. But I don't know; that's my perspective. I'm not saying you've got to do that or anything like that.
I'm not saying... by the way, I think that's also... it's two sides to the coin, and I think that's also an important perspective to have. And you can flip it on its head and say that, "No, I'm actually doing worse by not speaking freely about my faith and my religion and my practices." And maybe there's a lot more people that I could inspire to do so because of it. Now, I speak openly, and I always tell people... I always say I'm friends with everyone except for atheists and maybe a few other people, but that's a topic for another day. But the point is, I've always pushed people to faith. Now, as to what faith... for me personally, that's all something I want to get into. And the other thing is, I don't talk about my... I talk about faith from a general holistic sense. I don't talk about the specifics. Like, I don't need to. I guess I just don't really feel the need to post every single day during Ramadan. I would rather just genuinely [ __ ] live it.
Yeah, cool. [ __ ] And once again, this isn't to bash the people that, you know, do post about their religion. I guess for me, I just feel like I'm so imperfect that... and I know everyone is, but I just feel like I'm so imperfect that I would rather just leave my actions and me getting better between me and God be. And I think the big thing is because of social media, behind the scenes, I'm having a lot of conversations, and I'm doing a lot to help and a lot of different things. It's just specifically speaking about it on social media, for me, I just feel like... once again, maybe this is immature, but I guess I just always feel very annoyed when, you know, people try to judge you. And I'm like, judging another man in and of itself is a sin. And the only person that can judge me is God. And I guess that's why I'm just like, I would rather leave that stuff away from social media. And as I said, I'm not saying it's right or wrong. Maybe in five years, I was [ __ ] you know, knucklehead and know I should have put it out there. But for me, it's just... I get so many opinions. You know, I have so many opinions from so many [ __ ] people to then have the opinions of, "Oh, you blah blah blah blah blah this, that." And for me to sit here, just from my perspective, and be like, "My friend, you're not in my position. Like, you can't... first of all, you don't really even know what the [ __ ] truly going on in my life. That's number one. Because the best things in my life, I keep private. That's number one. Number two, you have no right to judge because you have never been in this situation. And who knows what you would have done in this situation? You probably would have done it a hundred times worse than I did." So I think maybe that's... and maybe that's an immature perspective. I don't know. You could be right.
It's not an immature perspective at all, bro, because you're right. People do love to get their two pence involved in every single situation online. You know, if I post... I'll give you a great example. Yeah, there was a picture that I posted on my Instagram with me and my friend praying. Just me and him; he was in front of me, he was behind me. The amount of people that had messaged me or commented on that picture saying, "You're doing it wrong! You're doing it wrong!" All we're trying to do, bro, it was just show that we're praying or something like that, something simple. But you get what we call the haram police, you know, coming on to you left, right, center. And I can imagine for you, in your case, it can be a whole load of people, bro. So respect to you, bro, because regardless of what you do, I think if you do it in private, it's a beautiful thing. You don't have to share it online. I think people can gather from your name, from where you're from, the religion you have, and your faith perspective as well. And I think a lot of what you stand for in general resonates with faith. So I think keep it private if it works for you, works for you, bro. You know what I mean?
So it's interesting, but I'm glad to hear it because I don't know what it was like on the last time you did the podcast, but I'm glad to hear that in the last 18 months, you know, something you're working on. And you said you participate in Ramadan as well? Yeah, sick. Alhamdulillah. Alhamdulillah. But other than that, what else means the most to you? Because I'll give you an example. I wrote here one of my notes, or the fact that you've been able to, like, buy your mom a house or something, you know, and provide her that life. Feelings like that, how does that compare to...
I'll tell you something that is so interesting because I've had a lot of other friends that also had the dream to retire their parents, buy their parents their dream house, and blah blah, all this stuff. And I think really that was like the last thing. Like, I'd retired my mom. I retired my mom in... I mean, 2017. I started, but really 2018 was like the nail in the coffin. But her dream house, like I wanted to buy that dream house, and that dream house was $4 million. And I don't have any debt in my life. Where was this? In London? Okay, yeah. And yeah, I don't have any debt in my life. I don't have any loans, mortgages, BL. Everything I own is full cash, outright. And, you know, in 2018, like, I couldn't afford to just drop $4 million cash on a house. So eventually, when I did that 18 months ago or whatever it was, like, that was a big thing for me to be like, "Oh wow, like, that's it. I did this."
And I thought this is the end of the fairy tale. That fairy tale ended up turning into a nightmare. And this is, I guess, what I want people to be aware of: that just because you retire your parents doesn't mean that they're going to be living their best life or they're going to be the most happy. A lot of times when you take away someone's problems, they'll just create problems out of thin air. And you don't want people to be bored. And I thought, "Oh, you know, like with my mom, I'll just retire, and everything will be good, and I'll buy her dream house, and everything will be fine." That's brought about a new set of challenges. And by the way, everyone should aim to retire their parents and buy their, you know, pay off their mortgage. Like, I'm not saying don't do it. I'm just saying be prepared that when that happens, them as people are going to have a new set of challenges, which is like, "Wow, I have everything I want. Now what? Now?"
And, you know, it's gone to a point where me and my mom even joke like we're genuinely thinking that she needs to get a job soon. And that sounds... and for me, that hurts. Like, it hurts to even think that my mom would have a job. And I don't think, to be honest, she's going to have a job. I think, you know, I'm going to help her start a business, and she's going to have a business. But for them, it's just for something for them to do, just a purpose. Yeah, you know, like obviously for her growing up, the purpose was me. And at a certain point, I didn't, you know, need her to survive anymore. So her purpose, in a sense, was fulfilled. Of course, you know, being a mother is always something that you do for the rest of your life. But for it to be like a real intense, every single day thing, that kind of stopped happening.
So the past few years, she's just kind of been trying to find her purpose and trying to find her way. So I guess all that to say that it was amazing. I just always really try to be upfront and honest with the audience about the things that you see that are the most amazing. Let me just at least give you the T's and C's. Let me at least just tell you behind the scenes maybe some of the downsides that come with it. So everyone should aspire to do that thing, but just be aware that it's not going to be a fairy tale when it happens. New problems will arise from it, and it's something you'll deal with and get past.
I'm interested to know, and I don't know if you want to answer this. Feel free to cut it out if you like. Obviously, I know the situation of your parents, you know, biological dad, stepdad since I suppose you're... I mean, you're famous for... have either of them attempted to reach out?
In front of that, my biological... yeah, my biological father has, and I don't feel any... like, I'll be honest, I don't feel any hate in my heart. I don't feel any malice. It's not like, "Oh [ __ ], that guy, blah blah, this, that." It's just genuinely... it simply comes down to I don't feel like if you were there, if you weren't there when things were difficult, you don't get to now benefit from things when now things are great all of a sudden. Like, it's not... I'm not like angry or blah. It's just genuinely like, respectfully, you had your time. Like, you had your chance to be involved. And I don't even mean like at birth. I mean like even if you had tried 10 years ago, you know, like you really had your opportunity. You had your chance.
I mean, you're 24, bro, so this time... time... no, I understand. But I'm saying you had your chance when I could trust wholeheartedly your intentions. I will never, ever be able to trust that person's intentions because for, you know, 10 years ago when me and my mom were struggling and, you know, I had nothing to offer my father, my biological father, I didn't get any [ __ ] phone calls.
Yeah, but this is what I'm saying. Being that you're 24, there's previous years where you could have dropped by or something like that. So, yeah, no, he has tried to contact, but no. Fair, fair is fair enough, bro. Look, I want to round up this podcast by asking you this. In the beginning, I asked you what's your mission in life. Okay, now what's your goal in life? What's the message you want to leave for your audience?
Life is an incredible game. The fact that you get to wake up and play it every single day is an honor. There's going to be days which are worse than you could ever imagine. There's going to be days that are going to be better than you could ever imagine. And through it all, I guess just one of the reasons I feel like I've done okay in life is because I've always been able to look myself in the mirror. In the same way I've discussed my business setbacks here, I've discussed my personal flaws as a person, the places where I could improve or I could be better, the successes I have in my life that look like successes, but really there's things behind the scenes that aren't as great about it. Like, I've just done okay in life because I can look myself in the mirror and just be very honest with myself as to where I am in life, why I'm feeling emotions, why I'm feeling a certain thing, why I'm acting in a certain way.
So this game of life is a crazy one. The only thing that I would implore people to do is really spend as much time as you can sitting down with yourself. Like, turn off the music, turn off the music in the shower, turn off the music in the car, and sit with your thoughts. If you can, even better, journal and really get an understanding of who you are and what you want in life. As I said, there's been clear seasons in my life where I've realized, "Okay, I'm coming into a new season now," and it's, you know, it's time to peel off this old skin that I had and step into this new season. As I said, I'm in one season of my life right now, and I can tell you right now in three, four years, I'll definitely be in a different season. And you'll probably see a very different... you know, when we do run this back again in three years like we did three years previous, you'll probably see a very, very different version of me.
Well, I'm not just saying this, bro. I think this has probably been one of my favorite podcasts to do. I don't know why. It almost feels like a sense of emotion. I feel like it's because I'm very, very happy for you and where you've come in the past few years as well, especially, you know, from the time of knowing you. I feel like just seeing your growth accelerate, bro, it's... sorry to interrupt, but it's... bro, us sitting here is a celebration in and of itself. I mean, [ __ ] look at how far you've come in the last three years.
It's been all right. It's been all right, bro. I respect you. You're very, very humble. You know, I could probably learn a lot from you, but you know, you're very, very humble. But at the end of the day, who you are today compared to who you were when we filmed that initial podcast, you know, three years ago is a very, very different story. So, yeah, I looked back at the podcast, and bro, I can't lie, I was cringing at myself thinking, "I don't know how you put up with me in that podcast." So, maybe I might think about the same thing in three years' time coming from this.
But look, I want to thank you very, very much because I know, A, you don't do podcasts in your house, but B, you don't do many podcasts at all, really. So the fact that this is the second one you've done with me, I can't thank you more than... I can't even say the words, bro. It's my pleasure. Just want to say a massive, massive thank you, bro, and hopefully we can run it up again in three years' time. People want to find you, where can they do so? I mean, they probably already follow you anyway, but if they don't, let's just say that one rock, that one person under the rock somewhere...
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