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Tonight's caller believes that women can survive and run the world without men and that the idea of women needing men is harmful to relationships. She says modern women are independent, capable, and don't rely on men the way people think. But once Kevin starts breaking down infrastructure, survival, physical reality, and how society actually works, her argument slowly starts to fall apart. From power grids to labor, from history to biology, this conversation turns into a real reality check. Stay locked until the end because this one gets deep and uncomfortable.
Um, and, yeah, you know, I do think that, um, women sometimes, and it's interesting because I've been having this conversation with a lot of my girlfriends that are both married and single at the same time and they, you know, they they get angry when things don't happen their way and they do blame men sometimes, but at the, you know, in the same breath, they want to vain independence and say that they don't need men. But I think something that's interesting with a topic that you had the other night was stating that women don't need men. Um, excuse me, that women need men and that men don't need women at all and men would be able to survive without women.
And I think that that's, um, I think that's really destructive towards this kind of bond that you're trying to build between men and women.
Okay. Before before you say what you think it is, let me ask you a question.
Of course.
Is it accurate? Uh,
Is what accurate specifically? Men who built the infrastructure.
If Thanos snapped away the women, men in the main could live to the end of their natural existence by simply maintaining the infrastructure in which we built.
Correct. I think women could also maintain.
Okay, let me let me but see that's that's the difference between this. Let me finish the follow-up question. Could women maintain the infrastructure they did not build and they're not trained to run?
Yes.
How? Okay. How could women effectively do that before nature set in? Meaning, yes, you possess the intellectual capability to read a manual. You possess all of that. But still, infrastructure breaks down. Have you ever had a manual labor job or a job where you had to work with machinery?
So I So I will say and I had this discussion with my boyfriend today. I do all my own manual labor at my house. I've changed.
Okay. Your own manual labor at your house, man. But I'm asking you, have you ever had to work with heavy machinery?
Um to a lesser degree, but if I if I needed to, I assume. Um, I worked uh I worked a job back home uh in a bakery where I was dealing with heavy mach literal heavy machinery in the
What kind of machinery ma'am?
Um, I mean anything that had to do with a like industrial baking.
Okay. So, no offense with it in a kitchen.
Pardon me.
No offense, but it's it's in a kitchen. Industrial baking.
Correct. Yeah.
Okay. But what I'm talking about, man, is I'm talking about things
About construction. And you're
No, I'm talking about power plants, power grids. I'm talking about refineries, oil wells, oil derks. I'm talking about heavy machinery, back hoes,
Of course,
Things that Hold on, listen. I'm talking about the things that negate physical advantage that men have,
Right?
And there you cannot tell me you can train a population of women to get them up to speed to do the job at the level men are doing it before women start to die off. If you understand how this country is run,
How the power grid is laid out, if you understand how the logistics work, when Corona came around, one of the biggest concerns were that the medication flow was going to stop because we have a one drop logistics pol, one drop logistics chain. We don't have much for disaster recovery. Why do you think you didn't see toilet paper uh and water? Because all the logistics broke down. People went and bought all of the stuff. There was no more stuff. I get that women have the mental ability to do it. But how long do you survive without clean water?
So, but so can we take a step back on your argument because what you're saying is that physically women don't have the capability to maintain and sustain the development that's been built by men. Correct? Am I am I understanding that correctly?
Yes, you don't.
Okay. So, that that that's where I disagree with you. Um and and I disagree with it because I will say um there's a caveat to this. I'm the youngest of five kids. Um my I had uh there's two sisters, two brothers.
Where are you going to disagree on the fact about the physical strength?
It is very possible. So my disagreement is that it is very possible for women to sustain physically an environment that men have built without men. I have
No, no, ma'am. You said you disagree with the notion of the strength difference between men and women. Yes.
Oh, listen listen listen listen. No, no, no, no, no. You can over talk me. I don't I don't do that.
Okay. The average hand strength of a man to a woman is like a 17 or 70. I forget the number. It's magnitudes larger for a man versus a woman. In the fire department to be able to be a fireman, you have to be able to do a 200 pound dead man's carry. Did you watch the beginning of this show?
I did. I I
Right. And women failed the test, the physical readiness test. Women No, you can't over talk me.
Women failed the physical readiness test 65% of the time.
Mhm.
That you know what the exercise they failed? You want to know what exercise they failed? Hanging from a pole, hanging from a chin-up bar, pulling your knees to your chin. That's what the women failed. It wasn't lifting heavy weights. It was moving their own French toast body weight. Yep.
So telling me just because you may be a rugged woman that women like you are the norm is a fantasy.
Well, so number one, I I I take a slight offense to you calling me rugged.
What would you want me to call you, ma'am? You you came in talking about your background and you worked with industrial machinery. What would you want me to call you?
Well, number one, well, with all with all due respect, that was that was one instance when I was 16. You asked me for an example. What would you like me to call you?
You can call me by my name. That's
No, no. The the modifier. You are making yourself seem as though you are different than most women. Are you this? Okay, let's let's back up.
Yeah, we put And here's the thing. You don't like Look, if you watch my show, ma'am, you should know how I speak.
So, this is no snowflake zone as far as I'm concerned. If
You can't handle it, I'll bid you a good night.
There's no snowflake here.
Well, then don't don't then what's the insult in calling you rugged? I think rugged comes with connotations that aren't that aren't necessary.
What is the insult in calling you rugged?
Rugged comes with connotations that
What would you like me to call you when you're trying to make yourself seem as though I can do this heavy machinery? I did industrial banking. I'm one two or five kids and I was born this way when most women don't talk about these things as part of being their feminine asset. That's considered to be far more masculine.
Right. So, but so see so your your argument is flawed and this is you know
Right my argument is flawed women it's okay here's where we're going to ultimately get to I'm not going to I'm not going to get into a circular argument with you ma'am you can believe what you want to I really don't care whether believe what they want to but the bottom line is you can believe what you want to but you cannot show me that if women can do these jobs
And run the infrastructure why are you not doing it because they pay better there it's easier for women to
We can allow men to do it
You don't have Because you you don't have to. Okay. Well, okay. So, in other words, you benefit off of men doing them.
Are you honestly Are you honestly trying to tell me that you think
I guess
Are you No, I said you're not going to over talk me. I meant that Maybe you overtalked your boyfriend. That doesn't work here. Are we clear? Nod your head and say we clear. Good. I'll be nice to you if you're nice to me, man. But I'm not going to allow you to over talk me like that. If you're honestly telling me that women can get up to speed and run the infrastructure to the same level of efficiency that men can, I think you are sadly mistaken. But you are free to be sadly mistaken.
May I speak?
Sure.
So that I that is not the argument that I'm making. Initially you said that women are incapable of surviving without men. Men are capable of surviving without
That is not what I said. I did not say incapable. I said the majority of women were not lifted into No. No. Let me clear you up because I know what I say because I'm responsible for what comes out of my mouth. I said women are incapable of living to the end of their natural existence in mass. Meaning that yes, by the time women actually got up to speed and learn, see, here's the thing. The presumption is that the requisite information that you and other women need to learn is digital and that the systems are still running. But see, when the power grid fails, all the information and the manuals are where they're warehoused in libraries and in other places. And you would have to actually physically go read this stuff. And the time in which it takes you to actually download and read the knowledge. There are women who are on dialysis. There are women who are on oxygen. There are women who need all kind of things. Women are dying because you're not the because the infrastructure is breaking down. While you're getting up to speed, there is attrition. Men don't require that because they're already doing it. It's simply knowledge transfer from one man to another. There's no needing to get up to speed. It's hey man, do this this this. There is no transfer because there are no women already doing that. Can we agree on that part?
Yes. And can can we add another another piece to this then? because you raised an excellent point to to to another piece that women outlive men in in retirement homes. You see more women
You outlive men because of modern advances. Women didn't typically outlive men because you would die most of the time where
In child birth
In child birth.
Child birth. Yeah.
Exactly. So even your even your lengthy existence is due to men.
Okay. So So then doesn't isn't that the circular argument that
No, it's not. It means you it mean it means that the reason you women can feel like you can do what we do is because we've civilized the world in general to where you have forgotten how hard it actually is to live. Ma'am, I've said this before and I'll say it again. Don't believe me. Go after this show is over.
I didn't say that.
Listen listen. Okay. Okay. But listen to what I'm about to say. Go after the show is over. Go to Amazon Prime.
Mhm.
Go look for a series called The Island by Bear Gillis.
I know who you're talking about. Yeah.
All right. In season two, if you watch it, you saw men and women. The producers came out said they manipulated the environment cuz women were dropping like flies.
Mhm.
Women W women threw women for the audience. These people start off on the islands. They have a few matches, knife, some a little bit little bit of string, some fish hooks, some things like that, and two large canisters to to actually purify water. Two for everybody. What did the women do? Women actually found a pig. Not a pig. Um, yeah. When they finally decided to when they finally they found a pig, they found a pig, but they named the pig.
They named the pig and didn't want to kill the pig. But when they finally decided that they needed to kill the pig and eat something,
They finally decided they killed him. And guess what? Where did the women after they gorged themselves? Where did they what they decide to do with the meat? They decided to put the meat into one of the water canisters to store it to keep it from bugs and pests and everything else. And guess what happened? Bacteria, everything set in. They went and opened the water canister and it was putrid. What did these women do? What did these women do? They they took the putrid canister and put it in the river and left. They cut their water supply by half and damn near died of dehydration.
They had to go back 4 days later after the rescue team came in and said, "Bam, you can't survive. You can't make enough fresh water on this island. There's not enough. You can't capture enough. you need to go take that canister, clean it out, and use it to boil and purify water. If they hadn't been told that knowledge, they'd all be dead. That is irrefutable.
So, I have enough respect for you to say this. Don't you think though that that is fictionalized by reality TV and organiz what I think is fictionalized what I think is fictionalized that is you women actually thinking that there's not much difference between us
Because you saw those women you no ma'am you asked me you saw those women you saw those women at the end of six weeks at the end of six weeks men had built a functional shelter they had killed large prey they had fished they had actually repaired the net to capture lots of fish men were living well. Matter of fact, the only guys that had been taken off that island were due to actual falls and injuries. In week five, women were still trying to lead by French toast committee.
Mhm.
Ma'am, [clears throat] I get that you may be a different caliber and cut of woman, but you are not the majority. So, so is it is it not fair then to to say u and and I'm I'm going to take that as a compliment. But is it is that not fair to say then that there's an there's a you know a codependency and a healthy codependency between men and women that we both require each other for a healthy existence?
No, I'll tell you why it's not. I'll tell you why it's not. I will tell you why it's not. Let me give you an example of why it's not. Let me give you an example.
Let's go back a thousand years. Okay. Actually, let's go back even further. Let's go back. Yeah. Let's go back to the time of Alexander. Let's go back to the time of waring states. How come
Alexander the Great.
Yeah. How come men could walk? How come men could live in armies of all men and be gone from their city, state, province and live with all men?
Yeah.
That shows we don't need you. The only thing we need you for is reproduction. We want you for sex. But see, even then a lot of times those guys had pages or squires, those young boys were sexual companions to these men as well.
The one why when they had followers camp, what was in followers camp? The the brothel
Cuz that's what the that's what the soldiers who were had RNR were able to go spend their money in the brothel.
So that's where men got their sex from. Hold on. And the Hold on. And the AR and cuz not cuz cuz back then the men who were married had to be able to pro provide for a woman. Most men lived and died in the military.
Many men lived and died in the military. Where were the equivalent women doing this, marching across the world, discovering the world? You can't, ma'am. You wouldn't. You don't have the strength to do it. So, so we're no longer we're no longer in Alexander the great times, right? There's a lot of u modernization that has removed a lot of the physical requirements for men for even men to do a lot of physical jobs. So, how do how does that take place then in modern times? How is there
Because we because men are because because this is why you see so many shows like The Walking Dead and stuff coming up,
Right? Because men still because like it or not, men, even though we're in modern times, we are still the human animal. We still have our hunter, our hunter instincts. We still know what needs to be done. The only reason women can make the argument you're making is because it is modern times, ma'am. What is more vulnerable than a pregnant female?
Hey, I you know what? There's there's a lot of women in my life who my sister just gave birth. There's a lot of I that is a an excellent point to make. I think
A woman with a child cannot hunt for a woman with a child cannot hunt.
She can't do anything.
Exactly. So you require the men don't require that. Men have to be able to sustain themselves. So you're you're you're breaking your own argument just in a state of nature. A mother cannot make Listen, a mother A mother cannot produce milk,
Keep milk flowing, hunt and take down enough prey to keep lactating and protect her child at the same time. She's going to have to leave that child somewhere.
That crying child is going to be left somewhere to nature and predators. So, isn't there an argument to be made then for the tribes in the Amazonian and and in certain parts of Africa?
Amazonians, you mean fiction?
No, no, no, no, Kevin, that's actually that's that's factually correct. And then in in certain
Okay, I'll give you Wonder Woman and Deascara. Okay, ma'am. Fine. I give I give you all the Amazon
Facicious. No.
Yeah, because it's a facicious argument, man. Because when I hear women talk about, you know, what about when they had matriarchies and they had queens, the people who still ran the environments, who were the soldiers in these matriarchal armies were still the men. The men were still the farmers. The men were still the hunters. The men were still in the army. Excuse me. So, but but but what what I was saying before and and to the point and and coming back to what I was saying is that because things have changed now and men are not required physically to do a lot of the things that as you're stated previously had to how is there not then a codependency on men and women
We don't because men okay ma'am the society that you live in
The society that you live in
The men who are not required to do something are still being sustained by the men who are doing it. See you. Listen, listen. Let me explain it to you. Let me explain. No. No. Don't Don't Are you over talking me,
Ma'am? Please don't make me go there cuz I know you can hear me. The men who are working the power plants, the men who are working the power grids, the men who are working the refineries and all these other things, they're doing their job. Then the men who are over here doing what they do. That has the society running. So these men don't have to do it because these men are these men know that they were going to have to train these men to replace them. We know how to run a world we built. There are not enough women over here doing these jobs to sustain the population of women over here. There are enough men over here doing these jobs today to sustain the population of men today because it's happening. That is the fundamental math you cannot get around. There are not enough women today doing their jobs to sustain a population of women who are not. You require you need us to live.
Is there then not an argument to be made that if there are these men that
Can you at least acknowledge that before you make another argument?
Yeah. I I'm going to what I want to add.
Before you add before you acknowledge before you add?
Of course.
I don't like women moving the goalpost.
No, no. I I hear what I hear [laughter] what you're saying. Of course.
But you have not acknowledged it. How would you what? I I'm not sure.
Would you agree or disagree? Okay. Would you agree that there are men running the infrastructure environment and men over here not running? But we have enough men running the infrastructure environment to where these men don't have to.
Would you agree?
Uh
That's the current setup.
Saying that there are men that are dependent on the other men that are running the infrastructure.
The current setup. Yes.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
All right. Would you also agree that in the current setup there are not enough women running the same set infrastructure to provide for the same population of women using the infrastructure?
Yeah, of course. I I've never I'm not disagreeing with that.
All right, ma'am. Well, if that's the case, what you're saying is the women who are in the minority over here can keep it running at a level to where what you're basically saying is you can't I don't know if you understand the math of this, but I I'm not trying to be funny, but you're basically trying to say a minority of women that already exists can keep an infrastructure running that it requires the majority of men to do. You're basically saying, let's say, let's just give a number to it. Let's say for the infrastructure, women are running the infrastructure at a 20% rate. I'll give you 20%. That means 80% still by men. That makes a total of 100%. Running it for 51% of females and 49% of males. So 80% of the infrastructure is being run for 49% of males. 20% of women are running infrastructure for 51% of males. If we look at it is just male to female.
But if you take that away, you're getting 100% production from the from the grid. 20% of women cannot produce for 51% of of women when it takes 80% of men to produce for 49% of men. It's mathematically impossible.
Yeah, absolutely. You look what what you're saying isn't false. What I what I what I want to ask you um be because there's I think there's a a missing piece to this in in terms of um what I'm understanding in terms of what you're saying is that if there are a a certain um percentage of men who are dependent on the the larger group of men who have sustained this infrastructure why do we need them then you know so what's their value in this? Uh okay. To answer your question, hold on, hold on, hold on. If there's a certain percentage of men over here surviving and these guys are running the infrastructure, why do we need these men?
So the cuz you said,
Are you asking the question, why are the men who are not running the infrastructure needed?
Correct.
Uh well, the men termed them as necessary because those are our replacements. Those are the people who come in to do the job. See, there's always going to be somebody at the front of the pelaton and at the back. See, men understand that we need each other and we're willing to do these jobs. Just like on the island, there were guys who hunted, there were guys who built fix fix nets, but we never tried to act as though one were greater than the other. We understand we need one another. Women try to act like everybody's equal and that you can all do it on your own. The reality is this, man. Women in this country, in this world, you're running on override. Men have provided a world of plenty enough to where you could even make this argument. And for the audience, I need you to remember something. A key point. This woman, and I'm going to bring out your color right now. This white woman first came in saying that you were having this argument with who?
I'm sorry. It was a argument with a I didn't hear the word you said.
You whoever you were having this argument with who earlier today.
Oh, I was having I No, it wasn't an argument. We were having a discussion about your
Discussion with who?
My boyfriend. Yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah.
You got a man.
Yeah.
I do.
I [laughter] That's all I'm trying to make. You got a man. So understand something. You can make these womenist arguments. You can make these equality arguments. But at the end of the day, you still got a penis in the house. And and hopefully you go home and use it because it sounds like putting up with you, as nice as you may be, ma'am, you must be a piece of work. Get out of here. [laughter] Bye. She would have to laugh that herself. Bye, Veronica. Godfather undefeated. [music] Ladies, it's not an insult. You guys got to acknowledge that you need us to survive.
All right, before you click off, let me say this because a lot of people are going to watch this conversation and immediately pick a side and say, "Yeah, he's right." or Nashi made good points and then close the app and go right back to living the exact same way they've been living without actually thinking about anything that was said. And that's the part that keeps people stuck year after year because it's easy to react emotionally, but it's hard to actually sit with uncomfortable truth and ask yourself, "How does this apply to me and my life and my relationships in my future?" Because at the end of the day, this wasn't really about men versus women or who's stronger or who's smarter or who could survive in some imaginary scenario without the other gender. This was about reality and responsibility and understanding how the world actually works instead of how we wish it worked. And too many people today are building their entire mindset off feelings, social media clips, viral quotes, and whatever sounds good in the moment instead of what actually produces stable families, healthy relationships, and long-term peace. A lot of people want independence without understanding that independence doesn't mean isolation and strength doesn't mean you never need anyone. And being strong doesn't mean doing everything alone. It means knowing when to cooperate, when to compromise, when to respect roles, and when to stop fighting reality just because it doesn't fit your personal narrative. And that's why these conversations hit so hard because they force you to look at parts of yourself that you usually avoid. The pride, the ego, the excuses, the habits, the patterns that keep repeating in your dating life, the same type of arguments, the same type of breakups, the same type of disappointments. And at some point you have to ask yourself, am I unlucky? Or am I unprepared? Am I misunderstood? Or am I unrealistic? Am I waiting for the right person? Or am I refusing to become the right person? Nobody is perfect. Nobody has it all figured out. Everybody has baggage and mistakes and regrets. But what separates people who build something real from people who stay stuck is accountability. The willingness to say, "Maybe I need to grow. Maybe I need to change. Maybe I need to stop blaming everybody else and start working on myself for real. Because real life doesn't care about your intentions. It doesn't care about how good your heart is. It doesn't care about how much you've been through. It responds to consistency, discipline, maturity, and decisions made over time. And if you keep choosing the same mindset and the same behaviors, you're going to keep getting the same results no matter how much you complain about it. And look, you don't have to agree with everything Kevin says. Nobody does. That's not the point. The point is he forces people to think. He forces people to question their assumptions. He forces people to stop living in fantasy and start dealing with facts. And in a world full of people telling you you're perfect just the way you are. Sometimes the most loving thing is someone telling you something isn't working and you need to fix it. If you really want peace, stability, loyalty, respect, and a real partnership, you have to become someone who can give those things to. Not just demand them, not just talk about them, not just post about them, but live them every single day through your actions and choices. So, if this conversation made you uncomfortable, that's probably a good thing. If it made you think, that's even better. And if it made you reflect on your own life, your relationships, your goals, and your direction, then it did exactly what it was supposed to do. If you made it this far, I genuinely appreciate you because that tells me you're not just here for drama and clips and memes. You're here to actually learn something. Stay focused, stay disciplined, stay honest with yourself, and I'll see you in the next.