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Hi everyone, it's me again, and today we're doing a video just because of the sheer amount of comments and requests that I've been getting specifically in relation to this topic. So today, we are going to discuss Eleanor Neil and her true crime tour announcement, along with where I think she's at with her content and just kind of my overall opinions on it.
Before we get into it, link source, way to support the channel, all that kind of stuff, all down below, including YouTube members and patrons. Thank you so much to my beautiful, wonderful, iconic YouTube members and patrons. Names on the screen. Y'all actually got the initial reaction to this on the members-exclusive gameplay commentary videos I've been making. And I also made one that I will put out probably just after I'm done with this one, just because I want to get this out, try to get this out before New Year's Eve, where I talk about Foodie Beauty getting demonetized and just kind of like that whole ordeal.
So, three parts of the video today. Hopefully keeping it short and sweet. I never know when. It doesn't matter. Anyway, part one, Eleanor Neil and my previous commentary. Part two, the true crime tour announcement. And part three, the commentary on the announcement and commentary, general commentary on true crime.
Before we fully get into part one, I'm going to say a couple things here. If you're looking for somebody who is going to give Eleanor Neil a ton of grace and say she's better than the others and to glaze some people and how they handle true crime and to be this super neutral source, I'm not that guy today. I'm not that guy because I tried that the first time I did this. Got people saying I was jealous, that I'm ugly and she's not. Had people just doing the most blatant disregard and just so much bad faith pushback on me defending victims of her spreading misinformation about her, the person's family. So the stakes in the game are, I have known nothing about this girl. I do what I do like on a real-life basis, but I don't like how she moves online. So, and I'm coming in not liking how she moves online, and I haven't talked about her in two years plus, two and a half years, and it's still, I think it's actually almost three, it'll be three years in January, cuz I rewatched my videos. It's only worse than it was last time I checked in. So, that being said, if you're looking for someone to blow smoke up the booties here, this isn't the place. I've gotten to a point in my commentary that I'm really tired of trying to sugarcoat this, this unbiased because there is no such thing as unbiased commentary in any capacity. Even if a slop tuber wants to pretend that they do that, that's not the case. And with this person, I don't know. It feels like weird moves. And I'll explain as I go down the line. That being said, you're getting the opportunity to click off right now. If I feel standoffish to you, by all means. I'm only saying this just because I really feel like for some reason, people are not going to take my position honestly if I don't make that abundantly clear. So, let's get right into it.
Eleanor Neil and previous commentary. So, Eleanor Neil, for those of you who do not know, is a 26-year-old British YouTuber who grew her platform with making true crime videos on her personal YouTube channel called Eleanor Neil. She has now shifted the content to being exactly the same, but under a different name. Exactly the same, but with less post-empathy, being called The Outlaw with Eleanor Neil podcast, which is on her channel. To be completely honest, I have no idea what the difference is between the original content and this Outlaw podcast content, even though I have not looked in on this person for two years. And it's funny because obviously, you can hear there's a bit of frustration in my voice. It was from watching her content today is kind of what's pissed me off a little bit. True crime people are often handled with kid gloves because they talk about more serious stuff than let's say someone like me typically talks about. But I think for that exact reason, I don't understand why we handle them with kid gloves because commentary channels go at each other all the time. And I go for people all the time. People go for me sometimes, you know. But for some reason, I'm expected to do all of these disclaimers that she says she respects the victims. She says whatever. You can position yourself in any way that you want, but it doesn't mean that it's going to truly align. I invite those of you who are watching that are getting that little angry itching feeling when I'm kind of positioning myself this way that like maybe you might need to visit the content you consume. And I say this as somebody who consumes trash. I love trash content. I love me an Amber Rellin Reed Foodie Beauty reaction video. I love a TLC show. I watched the entire Teen Mom series and all of the spin-offs. Okay. The difference though is that these, these pieces of content are not positioning themselves as moral arbiters of the world. They're not positioning themselves as educating people into like being able to defend themselves or being able to analyze court cases, which again, you should not feel like you have the authority. Like this is something that again, the whole way the internet's really, and unfortunately, I have a book called The Death of Expertise. I normally would read for stuff like this. I lent it to one of my friends who's a teacher, uh, to talk about, uh, when they're like, to help with, uh, essay assignment stuff and things like that. Anyway, so I don't have it right now. But you should not feel qualified to assess legal documentation with no formal education on it. Neither should these true crime YouTubers. There's a reason why lawyers need to go to law school. There's a reason why criminology is a degree. Okay. I'm not going to comment as much on police because that's a way more, way, way, way more nuanced thing. There's a book on this called Everything's Police if you want to get into like those kinds of why I'm not necessarily giving the same leeway to that. Okay. And when we talk about this whole equation and we talk, you know, just like me in the mix and everything like that, three years ago, someone reached out to me via email and via Twitter to talk to me about how Eleanor Neil was handling backlash talking about a story called, a video that was called, "The Cult-Like Murder of Joy Morgan." This video is no longer on Eleanor Neil's channel. Funny enough, which we'll get to in part three. When I was looking at comments, I was looking, I was looking at, there's this commentary video by this really small channel called Ratman Miles. And in the comments, it was funny. I didn't want to be that messy, so I didn't comment, but someone said, "Didn't somebody bring up a few years ago that she lo, that she had misinfo in a video and then deleted it without telling anyone or something like that?" [laughter] Me. That was me. Like, and what's so funny is I already know that there are going to be people who spin this as I'm this big Eleanor Neil hater when in reality, I think there's over 100 videos between the last time I talked about her and now. And the only reason I have this much frustration was because I was living a peaceful life not having to consume true crime content in any capacity. Because your opinion can be different than mine. These are one of those things that you can have opinions on. I don't believe like a political opinion can be like, I believe this group of people don't have rights or, per se, like this group of people deserves to be tortured. I don't think that's like opinions that we can disagree on. But the consumption of true crime videos, while I wouldn't be happy about hearing about, is something that we can disagree on. I think unqualified people not citing sources, and when you're not citing your sources, I, English teacher, ex-English teacher, okay, it's giving to me that they're bad sources that we're reading a Wikipedia article for 20 grand of AdSense revenue. So when I made the video talking about Eleanor Neil and the ethics of true crime, there's a Pinley video that just came out called "The Ethics of True Crime." Mikas rhetoric did it. I don't care about that, but this is still one of the most popular videos on my channel. In that video, I talk about how the sister of, which I'm not naming, I'm not saying any names for this, because again, I'm not trying to just like profit off these people's tragedy. I'm just summarizing what happened because this context of this behavior, I think, needs to be brought back up in order to contextualize, first off, my own frustrations as they continue, but also that the blatant disregard and the whoopee, I'm doing a, I'm doing a dead people conversation tour [laughter] and why I was like, um, not surprised, I fear not surprised. Okay, I'm aggressively flicking around my lip gloss. In my video, I talked about how Eleanor Neil was actively avoiding comments from Joy's very own sister, who was where she was telling Eleanor that the video was super inaccurate, unearthing trauma in the family, and she was just saying that didn't exist in any publication anywhere and could not, and in private communication with me also said, uh, could not for the life of her figure out where the hell she even got this from. Again, because she doesn't put her sources anywhere. I'm going to link all the videos I watched. I'm going to link the Instagram post. I'm going to link, uh, the screenshots of the, uh, Instagram story. I got a reply on my tweet. No, sorry. I replied to someone else's tweet and then they replied to me, but they're private, so I can't share the tweet. Okay? So, like the screenshots that they existed, they can go find them somewhere else. Okay? I'm linking everything. Let you form your own opinion because like I said, I know that I'm coming into this pretty aggressive and pretty stubbornly forward on this one because I'm finally kind of letting myself be clear on how I feel strongly about this, and I think I deserve to be able to feel strongly about something based on my credentials aligning with my ability to assess the situation. Joy's sister even asked to have the video taken down. And it got to the point where the vid, where the comments were being ignored to the point that this girl gets into contact with me and then also emails Eleanor Neil's email, which then leads to her manager. Her manager then says that she will, she had deleted the video. And then this person asks, well, where did she get this information from? Because I would like to know because it's hurting my family. I presume then this person would have contacted, let's say, if it was a news outlet or if it was like a Wikipedia page and might have edited or something like that. I'm not sure what their intention was with that, but then ghosted. I have, they have, um, had an email exchange with Eleanor Neil's manager, and this is between Joy Morgan's sibling, the one that was commenting, and Eleanor. And I have been given direct permission to share these with you, and I'm going to put, and I'm going to put the screenshots that I'm reading on the screen as well, and I'm going to read them directly just so I don't make any mistakes. So it says, as, as such. It reads as such: "Hello, Joy Morgan is my older sister. I would like you to delete the video you made about my older sister, as it has a lot of misinformation. Me and my family have reached out on various social media platforms and in YouTube comments. The comments on YouTube are, are also vile, blaming my sister for her death and theorizing about her death, etc. I am only 15. I shouldn't have to argue with people in the comments about my own sister's death. All of this is still very broad to my family and I, and even three years on. It's still hard to see our sister/auntie/daughter reported on in such an odd way. I don't know where you got your information in this video, but we, as a family, have never heard it in the press or by mouth of police. So, if you see this, please delete the video. Thank you."
Then they get a reply: "Hi, blank. Thank you for your email, and my sincerest apologies for only getting back to you now. For transparency, we have a quite a strict filtering system on Eleanor's inbox due to the volume of emails she receives. Unfortunately, this ended up in our spam filter and has only been spotted today. I'm emailing you now to confirm that Eleanor has immediately removed the video. She sends her apologies for any distress this might have caused you or your family. Please know it was and never is her intention to spread misinformation or upset anyone, especially those affected when creating content. Please let us know if there's anything else we can do. And again, our sincerest apologies. Best wishes, Beth, Eleanor's manager. Please do email me directly for any further, for anything further. I'll be happy to help immediately."
To which this person does email them back and says the following: "Hello. Thank you. A lot of the things she stated in the video were not true, and I've never heard in the media or from the police officers or even my family. So, I hope you can compile a list of her sources, as I'm baffled by this video has caused me and my family a lot of harm. Thank you again, blank."
To which there is no response from Eleanor nor her manager. And Eleanor Neil didn't take the video down with like a community tab apology or with any comment on anything. She took it down sneakily and has never said anything about it in the last like three years. I also discussed the criticism that I received in my first Eleanor Neil video. I did two videos on her. My biggest issue, kind of, was that I feel like true crime people position themselves as moral arbiters while they're putting in no more effort than a drama channel. Except a drama channel, let's say, for example, why Adam McIntyre isn't getting for announcing his Canada tour while Eleanor Neil is getting for announcing her true crime tour. Adam McIntyre's content is going, "Hey muckers," [laughter] "blah blah. I'm going to talk about, uh, I'm going to re, I'm going to react to these drama-gone videos from a few years ago, or I'm going to talk about FaZe Clan dissolving, or I'm going to talk about Ethan Klein doing some [ __ ] or I'm going to talk about whatever. Okay, these are topics that invite conversation, right? These are topics that where you are having commentary on things that are currently going on with people that are still doing stuff, and where your commentary has impact and can be reciprocal, and the topics are much lighter. Okay. Adam can have segments where they just queen out. Is she going to have queen out segments between, "Oh, this girl who was bitten until her eyes flew out." My British accent is really terrible. Okay, I'm French. Leave me alone. Okay. No, there's just no way to really approach this. Okay. When I talk about allegations online, I focus on the perpetrators and the actions of not having it happen again. Another very key thing besides the source-citing aspect that I had already discussed is that I talk about things that are readily available online. I'm not putting pictures of these people's family members, even censored, putting full names out, doing all of this stuff. Now, clearly, it had to be available somewhere for her to find it. But even having the open speculation for this to be able to go to this degree should be a problem. I think it's bare minimum when you don't make your own content, in that you don't really do much analysis except weird speculations about little aspects of these stories that aren't yours. I don't understand why you don't provide where it came from. I just think it's weird. It's almost like you're putting ownership on, like not only are you profiting off of people getting beat or abused or murdered, you're profiting and and almost gatekeeping it in a really weird way. Every time I do a video, if I read a book, if I cite videos, if Nor gives me a, I give you the audience the research documents that my, like researcher does, if, if she's working with me on that video. Doesn't always work with me. I literally provide you the exact materials I drafted my opinions on because that's how much confidence I have in my opinions that they hold their own ground when you are provided with everything that I made those foundations on. In my, in my original video, like I said, I tried to be more neutral, which didn't matter at all because people are going to defend their interests above defending what can really be the objective moral valuation in a situation. So that's kind of why this time I'm just being a hater openly. And here's my thing. Like I said, I know nothing about Eleanor beyond the content that she puts online. What I am frustrated with is that content and the responses to that content. Attacking her or me on any personal or physical or, uh, superficial level isn't going to fair anything for anyone. Is not going to do anything or be productive in any capacity. I wanted to see if maybe I was just being a hater. So, I watched one of her recent videos called "He Tortured Her For Years" all caps and left her blind. Right. And hate to say the use of all caps is giving clickbait title. So, we're clickbaiting a DV story that you have no involvement in and don't know any of these people and you refuse to provide where the information came from. Right? Let's continue. So, I'm going to summarize it. It is linked for you. Okay? These are my observations. Spoiler alert, I hate to say this video like made me feel like physically ill. My boyfriend walked in to vacuum and he's like, "What are you so mad about?" because I was just sitting like this, listening to it, kind of in disbelief that like this is something that, and, and, and the thing is, like I said, we can have different opinions on this. I will, I will respect that. I don't understand everything. Does that make sense? Like, I will understand and I can understand that I can't appreciate everything that exists, and just because I'm not willing to do it doesn't mean it's not necessarily something that can exist or can't exist. Right? But I'm watching this just being like, I don't understand how someone can make this content and how so many people, how this is like a very, like big thing, big phenomenon. This extends beyond this. Like a lot of my comments, by the way, extend far beyond Eleanor. A lot of these people aren't positioning themselves as the moral face of this genre of content. Like Bailey Sarian, is that the one that does the makeup and then is the one that does the mukbangs, like the noodles? She had beef with Nicocado Avocado. Is that Stephanie Soo? I don't watch these people. Okay. So I watched the video. My first point, right, as I'm going to read them verbatim because this is exactly what I was thinking when I was, when I was watching. Eleanor immediately goes to describing how this woman was suffocated in blankets and until her eyes fell out. Then sullen tone changes to dramatics where we hear the transition of the story into where it was located. Then the tone shifts again because we're all happy. Caseify sponsor time. Yay. Now, I'm going to be burning a bridge right now. Completely unrelated. Caseify cases are like really expensive and like kind of bad. Like I had one that like the whole back peeled off. This post was made by Pila Casease Gang. No, not sponsored. I'm not sponsored by any phone case brand, but I get the, I have the Pila cases and the, and the PopSocket brand sticky from that I got from Winners, which is Canadian TJ Maxx. Anyway, so we get the tone shift from the sponsor. Again, I've talked about this before where, where's the thing, too, though, right? I really, really, really avoid at all costs putting sponsors on more serious videos. And when I say avoid at all costs, it's because I work a full-time job. And sometimes if I can't meet the sponsor deadline to pump out a different video, then I have to put it on the long-term, a long-form one that I'm working on. But, for example, when I, like, I'm trying to think of my more serious videos. My Mama Max video, I made a point to not put a sponsor on. Even my H3 video, I didn't put a sponsor on. I had, I, and I, I had, which I even actually removed because it was it became unclear and made a boy band video that had no sponsors on it. Anything that's like my last video with, uh, James Charles victim, that was no sponsors on that. I make a point to, if I have a sponsorship, I try to do it on something more neutral because I'm not trying to break the tone with like, this post was, this post is sponsored by HelloFresh or whatever. I wouldn't work with them, but like, you know what I mean? So once again, not providing a single source, Eleanor speculates and dramatizes and two languages and dramatizes this woman's upbringing and family life. She says things like, keep pointing to do the British accent because I'm cringe and I'm pissed off. She fell pregnant at 16, but one thing is for sure, she would keep that baby in a way that she's, and, and obviously she kept the baby because the kids are alive, but the way that she says these things is like, I knew what she was thinking at, like, for example, it's like, how do you know that she didn't like try to get an abortion or didn't think about it? You know what I mean? How do you know that like she was so down for that in that way? And it's just like speculating on, and, and what's interesting is this is my only criticism of, uh, the Ratman Miles video, and this is just because his perception of this true crime content is different than mine. Okay, but it's like, she talks about the details of these people. So Miles says that he likes this because it reminds people that there are humans behind the, the stories that happen. And I can understand that perspective. The problem is that I see it as you're lightening up this content to be more entertainment via speculation on, on these outside details, right? You're trying, which I talked about this in my original video on Eleanor Neil, the perfect victim narrative that is a problem in TV true crime content as well. The family was so big. Their grandmother was very, very involved in their upbringing. And from what I can tell, Tina had a really nice childhood, a really nice home life, and a family life. Then, when she was just 16 years old, Tina found out that she was pregnant. I can only imagine the range of emotions that must come with finding that out at such a young age. But one thing was sure with Tina. She knew that she wanted to keep this baby. And so, nine months later, Tina is the mother of a beautiful baby boy. The father of this baby was Tina's boyfriend at the time, but as with most high school relationships, they didn't stay together very long. And Tina soon found herself a single teen mom. But she had all the support in the world from her family. This baby boy was going to grow up with five dotting aunties and uncles alongside grandma, great grandma, and of course, Tina herself turned out to be a fabulous mother. But at least, if, let's say, we're talking, I talked about this with my boyfriend last night. I was on like a rant. Okay, the Joy Morgan story aired on what, History Channel? I don't know like what channels do it. Okay, whatever. And then the family members contacted the studio and contacted news outlets and said, "Hey, this is completely inaccurate." It would have become like a media scandal, and the anchor would have been canned. Okay, there are consequences and journalistic integrity that come with that at bare minimum, the mainstream stuff. And this is me still hating the mainstream stuff. People really will take their parasociality and cloud the fact that I, anybody can make a damn YouTube video, girl. Just because I happen to have a little bit of a more expensive camera and a little bit more of an expensive mic than people, which took years to acquire, need I mention, than the average schmo, doesn't mean that my boyfriend, my friends, my mom, my can just pick up the phone and and inaccurately recite a Wikipedia page about someone's sister who died. I just don't see the value with that. Puts pictures of all the family members but blurs their faces. It's, it's again, it's that, it's that humanization aspect, but I'm like, you're pulling in so many personal details where it feels like you're forcibly trying to make us empathize with this person where there empathy should just be a given on the fact that like she was abused. I just, I don't know, like, and, and I'm having trouble voicing it, and I could be wrong, but it's like, something's just missing here for me. Talks about the perpetrator, love bombing, all that kind of stuff, but just does a lot of really off-handed, light-hearted speculation on like how he love-bombed her and how he carried himself. She has a learning moment or teaching moment, I suppose, which I feel like is kind of the fodder that a lot of her fans will use as a means of being like, this person makes good content compared to the other ones where she talks about coercive control and then talks about the UK Center for DV as like the charity of the day. Now, charity having in the video is good. Okay. I really like this is where the nuance hat has to come on. Okay. And I'm, and, and I'm trying, I need you to give me the benefit of the doubt that I'm not trying to be evil. Okay. It's just when you're so blithe about how you carry yourself through this whole video, you speculate on so many things, you're cussing like a sailor, you're talking to the other people in the way that I talk to like the divas about the night out at the bar. And with these like dramatics and these like, you have like a, uh, an introduction like monologue and everything, it kind of feels like the charity part is like out of place. Ess, and this is also just from me not watching her content regularly. And it's good that at least she's doing that. I just feel like there's a lot of, of surrounding posturing, and that if it felt like she was carrying these things with the weight that they deserve, I feel like I wouldn't feel this way. But that's me leaning really deep into like the discourse analysis and like how she's saying things and the way that she's positioning her opinions and, and then those alignments. And that's not something that a lot of people are doing. That's an opinion piece. And I say that me being a little bit kind of like, oh, that's kind of out of nowhere is better than just pocketing all the money every time and never helping a single soul. Okay, I'm saying that. Talks about the perpetrator and then talks about him having like roid rage, just again, like weird, casual cadence, and there's a ton of speculation regarding like the feelings of the children and like the traumas that they face, and obviously it was a very traumatic thing for them. The thing is is that those kids will be able to consume content eventually, right? So, this happened in like, what I think she said, like 2012. The kids, let's say if they were toddlers were born probably 2010, they're 15 now. They're probably the, uh, starting age of your audience base. And I think if my mom got horribly abused in front of me and then someone in a podcast setup talking about the abuse rage, like it's the way that I genuinely can't fathom that reality. I'm saying this on video right now. If I ever pass away in some crazy way, I need this documented on the internet that if I do not want a single true crime content creator or me or any of my family members, if anything ever happens to anyone I know, cuz I know of someone who, one of my friends, I, I won't talk about this online, one of my friends passed away this year, um, who was like a year younger than me, and I'm not any details because of these piranhas in the water. Okay, if I found out that one of them was talking about that, I would become, it would become my, I would become a, that true crime YouTuber reaction channel, and it would become my mission to make sure that that's gone because I could not even. She even has color-coded thematic chapter cards. One of them literally being blinded. They look like they're made on Canva. Okay, so it's like a Canva themed card for the chapters called "Blinded by Her Boyfriend" with other dramatics. There's one where it actually pissed me off so bad. It was like a picture of her, then it goes grayscale. So you hit the color switch on Vegas Pro, girl, or whatever you're using. Video made me physically ill. That's all I'm saying. So this is all of my context as to why people might be feeling the way they do about that true crime. Because I also want to do one more thing that I noticed. Here are Eleanor Neil's thumbnails, and here are TMZ's thumbnails. And the biggest difference is the TMZ thumbnails have red borders on them. Why do you have a, an arrow pointing at a child, then it says, "Please don't kidnap me." Right? Let's continue.
Part two. True crime tour. On December 15th, Eleanor Neil announced via her Instagram that she is taking the podcast "Chales of Stranger Sufferings" on the road. I screen-recorded the entire announcement on my phone. I'm going to put that in now because I, y'all need to see the whole thing. I don't usually put the whole thing. I'll speed it up a little bit. Skip. Like it's, uh, I think it was a minute and 50 seconds or something like that. Like, not sped up, so it's probably going to be about a minute and a half. Skip if you don't want to see it.
"Breaking news, guys. I have a big announcement. After analyzing true crime cases on the internet together for years, me and you are finally going to get the chance to do this together in real life because Outlaw with Eleanor Neil is hitting the stage. We're going on tour, baby. 2026 will be your first chance to catch Outlaw live where together we're going to analyze criminal cases, look through evidence, debate suspects. It's what we do best around here, and I can't wait to do it all with you in person. So, to sign up for pre-sale tickets, follow the link in my bio and use the code. Usual disclaimer. Then at 10 a.m. tomorrow on Tuesday, December 16th, you will have first access to grab your tickets. So set your alarms. And if you do pick one up, please tag me, DM me. I want to see. I want to get excited with you. I can't reveal everything we have in store just yet, but just know we have an incredible show planned with fun moments and surprises that you won't see coming. We'll be starting with a few intimate shows across the UK to warm us up. So if you get in there now, you can say that you were an Outlaw tour OG. We started this journey together. So on the 8th of April, I will be at Leicester Square Theatre in London. On the 11th of April, I'll be at Academy 2 in Manchester and finally, my hometown show. On April 16th, I'm going to be at the Wardrobe in Leeds. It's such a full circle moment for me. I've watched so many shows there myself. So again, sign up for a ticket pre-sale through the link in my bio. I can't wait to share an unforgettable night with you all filled with all things Outlaw. It's been such a long time coming. So I guess I'll see you in a theater near you. Oh, don't worry if these locations are a little bit far off. I'm sure there will be more shows on the horizon in plenty more locations. In fact, sign up to see when I'm going to be in your area. Thank you all so much for making this possible. I'm so excited. Let's do this."
The audience did not seem particularly keen on this, uh, when she announced it. Understandably so. And I'm going to read some of the comments, and obviously, they're on screen for you as well. So, this person comments: "I've been listening to you and following you for years. I don't believe I'll be continuing after this. I don't mean this as a hateful comment, but hopefully as a wake-up call. You already profit off of other people's awful stories, which is fine if it continued to be educational and respected. To me, I think with no professional experience, no, besides like throwing in a random definition from something with like an infographic, I think that's debatable, but that's again, that's personal opinion for me. But this completely draws a line and feels extremely out of touch to even consider, let alone sell out. Please bother to listen to the people in these comments telling you this is wrong instead of just considering them as hate comments. I know I'm gonna be considered a hate comment, but this is going to be like a 45-minute video of me proving my point. Okay. I feel like you are losing a lot of respect/viewers from people who otherwise enjoyed you for your respectful overviews of stories. I can't even imagine how victim's families would be feeling knowing you're doing this for a fun night."
Another person comments, which I thought was kind of epic. Waiting. I like this one. It's not in the screenshot because I screenshotted this like a few days ago and I went back today and I liked it. "Waiting on the apology vid kiss." >> [laughter] >> And I, and I say this because I feel like that has to be a British person because that's the only person I've ever seen, only people I've ever seen that do the little X as like the kiss thing is British people. British people. "Since turning into the podcast, you've been so insensitive. I mean, you always were a bit, but now it's ridiculous. The way you speak about people, these cases, or making jokes, etc., is really disgusting. You need to look at the content you put out and take a step back and really think about it, cuz you're making a mockery out of true crime victims."
Someone else says: "This doesn't feel right." Three question marks. "This is so sad. I started watching you right at the start where it seemed like you really cared about the victims. Past few years seem like you've gone completely the other way and just seem to want to make a quick buck. This is so disappointing. It's disappointing. Girl, these are real people. This is very out of touch. Period. What happened to the old Ellie? What happened to the meaning, no, of no respect to anyone I talk about in this video? Any empathy that you would have in the delivery of your cases? What a shame. This rebrand is really disappointing."
Now, here's my tea. Like, of all the stuff that I already talked about, I really think that little disclaimer at the beginning doesn't really make that much of a difference. But the fact that that doesn't even exist anymore, I feel like lends itself to something is all I'm going to, is all I'm going to say about that. Okay. About after a week of consistent backlash on her own social media, along with discourse online, other platforms, we got a notes app posted to her Instagram story, which reads as follows: "Hey guys, we were talking about you, dog. Hear your concerns about the Outlaw tour and I wanted to take some time to address them thoughtfully. From the very beginning, Outlaw has been built with the ethos that true crime cases deserve to be handled with care, empathy, and responsibility. Okay, Mo, chill. We've stood by these principles for eight years, but the podcast hasn't. What? Okay, the what? The podcast has only been like the last like few months. I guess she means the channel. Anyway, they have guided every episode as well as how the live show I have my glasses on. Sorry. How as well as how the live show has been created and presented. The shows are to be an extension of the channel's long-standing commitment to respectful storytelling, reflection, and awareness. In bold, I want to make it clear that all of Outlaw's proceeds from ticket sales will be donated to vital nonprofit organizations supporting those affected by violence and abuse. We, we're still in planning conversations with these charities, exploring meaningful ways to involve them throughout. But I'll be able to tell more about specific collaborations soon. We recognize that this genre carries weight and I've always take responsibility seriously. Everything I do and everything we continue to do is outlaw. We'll always have these core values and principles at heart. Thank you so much to everyone who continues to support myself and Outlaw with the understanding and trust community we've built together over the years means more to me than I could put it towards this exact."
So here's the thing. If we're talking about like my process of learning about this, I knew about the announcement and I was like, if I'm going to make a video, and then I saw these stories after, then I watched the video that I talked about at length with that woman getting abused, right? This is why I feel weird about the charity thing because if this, this feels like a, well, you were criticizing a charity event. I looked, I, when I read that, I went back to the announcement, rewatched it, went through all of the posts about it, all the stuff that she wrote about it. There is not a single mention of charity. It's really giving, you threw that in after people were mad at you. And if that's the case, then cancel the tour, girl, because that's gross as hell. And that makes me believe that you were doing that in those videos, too. Because instead of just not exploiting people, you got to keep getting the bag. Now, with this, let's put my little headphones on and my little streamy thing on and talk about wider discourse. I want to watch a few TikToks and stuff like that in part three.
Hey y'all, little me in the box. So, now we're going to talk about some content discourse about the true crime couture and everything. We're going to start with this video from Ryman Miles, and he talks about how there's been backlash towards the casual nature of this podcast already to begin with. I want to talk about some TikTok videos that I had seen. Okay, so let's get right into it. Let's start with >> "I always thought it was really thoughtful of her. Actually, now that I've talked about all the positives, I do want to get into the criticism surrounding Eleanor Neil. So, this situation isn't actually the first time that Eleanor has been in hot water. Since she's come back from her break, her videos lacked that serious tone that they had before. Instead, this podcast episode was a lot more like laid-back and chitchaty." >> "I just love going on tangents. Man, have I missed this, just chewing your ear off about anything I want to in the middle of a true crime case. They were definitely close friends. It's just the the vagueness about like the nature of their relationship. Like, were they? I don't know." >> "Which makes sense since it's a podcast. It's supposed to be less scripted. However, obviously discussing quite serious matters, it should be serious and well thought out. However, following this video, her fans are quick to point out this change in tone and how they did not appreciate it at all and how they found it disrespectful. And following this video in her next podcast, she addressed this and said that she" >> "Before we get into this, I want to show what it reality that she does now. And y'all can decide if it's better or worse. Here's my tea. And I don't know how else to describe it. You know how people used to like sing in cursive, or people will do like really, like acting challenges on TikTok where they'll really be very, like theater kid, theater kid, derogatory in the cir, in this circumstance. These kids are not derogatory, but like, I'm trying to make an image of this, like dramatics. Like imagine if I talked about James Charles, like last video, right? Where I'm like, Ethan received a Snapchat from James Charles to which he opened and to his horror, he viewed a naked picture of an adult while being a minor girl. Like, I don't know. It just gives me the."
So this is what it is like now, right? This is the video that I watched earlier that is linked in the description as well. >> "Hanging out of her head, her attacker twisting the knife, letting her know that now, after what he had just done to her, she would never be able to see the faces of her children ever again. This is the truly haunting story of what happened to Tina Nash. Not just on the night of the attack, but the gradual increasing hell that she endured leading up to those final blows. Outlaw. At the age of 27, Tina Nash was swept off her feet by a man that she thought could be her soulmate. He adored her and showered her with affection. It truly was like movie love until the movie switched up. Her partner's mask slipped." What's interesting with this actually, after watching this video, is that that's not even true. The way that she's framing it isn't the same as she frames it later, cuz later in the video she says that he stalked her and tried to love bomb her and she actively avoided him, and that very quickly in the relationship it got really bad. So then, which one is it? And I shouldn't be having that thing when we're talking about somebody getting nearly beaten to death. So, this is how it's like now, right? And I think something else that I notice is there's glitter getting in my eyes. Sorry. The amount of, you can't see because I'm in the way. The amount of branding that kind of comes in. I'm like, she's like watermarking everything. And I love people having copyright. Okay. I love ownership of your own work. The thing is is that this isn't really, I don't know. This is a bit different because you're just retelling something that you read somewhere. >> "With no like." >> "They're back." >> "Oh yeah. And then this, and then this, this tone shift like it's actually whiplash. Crazy stuff." >> "Viewer discretion is advised. And before we get stuck into the case, I do want to take a moment to thank our sponsor for making this episode of Outlaw on YouTube possible. It's our good friends over at Caseify. They're back." Whiplash again. I've said this before. You could put the sponsor thing at the beginning. Like, you actually don't have to do it. For someone who's had contracts, you don't have to do it that, in that way. What you can also do when they do want you to put it in a little bit farther is you can do like at the beginning, like, "This video is sponsored by D." I just find when you're going to throw it in, you're not throwing it in blind. As somebody who's also doing, who also does this type of content, well, not this type of content, but like who does content, right? Any sort of close proximity with this man. Like I said, Shane was a few years older than Tina. He was 22 when they met. And he was the kind of man who would not take no for an answer. He thought that Tina was just playing hard to get with him. And maybe if he just kept chasing and kept chasing and and pounced on her, then maybe he would win her. Con." [laughter] I'm laughing at the absurdity. You're talking about somebody love bombing and sounding like stalking someone, and that's how, and, and this is like the dramatization that you're positioning, right? So that's what I'm saying is well, I understand why, like, I really hope, I really hope Miles doesn't see this and thinks that I'm criticizing him like in any sort of negative way. What I'm saying is this is a very common opinion that I think is understandably held. I'm explaining where my hater's coming from. That's what I'm getting at. She would be changing and, um, apolog >> "Like this is very clearly, like this is like a good video. This is why I brought it in." >> "Apologized for the way that she handled the case that she talked about in the previous episode." >> "I have read the comments on the last episode, and I appreciate the feedback that some of you guys think that the new style was a little too chatty. Look, I hear you, and hopefully this episode will."
be a much better vibe match. And after this, even though her videos remain, you're so crazy, too. So obviously he's saying that this is like the first time she got in hot water. The first time she got in hot water was when I brought the smoke. Okay.
Now the thing is is that did that really go far? Clearly not. And that's I'm not like saying that like in a shady way. However, what's interesting in retrospect is I remember people complaining about the tone shift becoming way less serious and the videos really declining in quality back then. And that was in 2022. So I'm just saying that this is interesting to see kind of how things have continued.
More laid-back, uh, still and less scripted. I do think that the tone improved, um, and became more serious. This brings us to today where Ellen O'Neal is once again facing backlash due to her announcing that she's going on tour. I'll let you watch her official announcement that she posted on TikTok. And then we already watched it so I'm just going to uh.
The tone of this announcement is very cheerful, which in a way makes sense because obviously going on tour is a massive achievement. And the fact that you can create a show that people, that like hundreds of people, I don't know how big the venues are, but let's just say hundreds or thousands of people will want to attend is quite a big deal. However, because the subject matter is so serious and so devastating, it it is a little bit weird that it's very high energy, like guys, come on tour, let's see, let's watch me talk about people that.
Relating, but um, I'm looking at all the no offense stuff. I watched his transition journey like in 2018. It's interesting to see like I'm kind of leading into the new generation because I, um, at his uh socials and I think he say he's like 17. Also, I commented on the video because got a support and I also liked it and y'all should too.
You know, it's a it's a little bit out of place. I definitely think her describing that her tour is going to have fun moments and surprises definitely robbed people the wrong way and honestly it robbed me the wrong way too. I can't imagine how a show is going to stay respectful and handle their cases with care whilst they're talking about people that got horrifically, whilst still having it be fun, light-hearted, and entertaining. Like that that's just impossible, unfortunately. I also think her talking about how this show is going to include looking through evidence and comparing suspects makes it sound more like it's a fictional mystery escape room kind of event instead of an event that's talking about really serious subject matter that happened in real life. The first time this tour was mentioned was 3 weeks ago in a Q&A that.
So that is where we're going to. I have the clips that he puts in after. So this is where we're going to end off with this video. Please watch the whole thing. I liked it. It was really good. It's like the escape room point was one that I found was particularly interesting because I didn't think of it that way. I did hear about the yeah, the incorporating audience conversation and I was just like, more speculating is not where we I think we should really be with this whole ordeal at this stage. But nonetheless, let's watch another TikTok here.
Oh my god. Tell me why Ellen O'Neal is going on tour with her true crime podcast. Girl, everyone respected Ellen O'Neal because in her video she was a lot more respectful to victims and their families. Um, but this this is not not only profiting from these victims in your videos already. I don't know if she does much charity work cuz I don't watch her that much. I used to watch her a lot more. I don't really like true crime anymore. Um, but tours are usually for, you know, something you've created, like, you know, an album, a book tour, even, or, you know, like a talk show. Like podcasts do go on tour, but they don't talk about this stuff. It's usually about their own lives and stuff. She's not going on tour with her own talent. She's going on tour to talk about other.
This is what I. Right. I literally phrased it verbatim. What did I say? I was really shady with it. I said Eleanor Neil announced via her Instagram that she's taking her podcast of the tales of stranger suffering on the road. Right. It is truly incomprehensible to me that you could be shocked that this is the response that, especially you got a whole, you got you got a whole ass manager too. I feel like if I like pushed this by my manager, I'd be like, "Hey, Diva, like I want to do a true crime tour." He'd be like, "Huh?" You know, like I like that's why like I actually like I reached out to my manager for real like why I like the management that I work with because they let me talk about like the morality of a deal that I'll take. I feel like Elanor Neil could have used that.
I fear tragedies. You're going you're telling me you're going to go around in a tour bus and probably be like celebrating enough after every show and stuff because obviously it's an accomplishment to like sell out a venue and stuff, but you're not going to donate the proceeds or a portion of the proceeds to an organization? Like I don't know, just keeping all the profit for yourself or at least give portions to the families of the victims that you talk about. I'm sorry. We need 2020 woke back because what the hell? This is just this is this is so bizarre to me. I don't see many people talking about it other than in her comments and she's not addressing it at all.
My tea is too, like the charity thing still is kind of a cop-out in that like she shouldn't be having a big room full of people to he he speculate with. Even if she's not making money off of it, it's still platforming and like gaining more clout for her, which in turn ends up being revenue in some other capacity, some other way. And also the merch sales, what's going on with that? Are you recording them and posting them? Like, there's a lot of other questions that could still be asked just despite the ticket sale comments.
Like, maybe her managers would put her up to this, but girl, you can say no. Like you can say no to your managers and or at least compromise and do better, please. I ple I hope that she comes out and says that money is going to an organization cuz this is a mess and she needs to she needs to fix this right now. Cuz what the hell? Oh my god. And if you buy tickets to this, I get it. You probably like her content, but this is this is not buy concert tickets. They're probably going to be the same price, guys. What's actually funny with that is one of the dates she said buy concert tickets. One of the I'm obviously not in the UK anyway, but one of the I've seen Cupcake again. [laughter] I'm like, I'm busy. I'm gonna be busy slaying and going look g look with the with my queen on stage. Okay. Like, not we're going to be we're going to be talking about Little Red Riding Hood or whatever and uh a lot of puns about bakeries as a room full of adults instead of trying to relate to a YouTuber about the suffering of strangers. Yeah.
So, this is Elmer's response. And I just want to reassure you guys above everything else that here at Outlaw, whether it's online, in the podcast episodes, or in real life, these cases will always be handled with care, with respect, and with real responsibility. This tour, the focus is on the investigation in itself. We're working closely with people who were involved in the case. We're looking at how lines of inquiry developed. We're comparing suspects where it's relevant. Above all, the intention of Outlaw is and always has been to honor victims and to raise awareness. And of course, while I'm here, I do want to acknow that I've always kind of I've always kind of thought about, right? Raise awareness of what exactly? Because the thing is too, for example, let's say like the amount that like the news reports on people's deaths and like the how the news reports on plane crashes and how the news reports on tragedies. There are there is like there are studies and there are aspects that involve that that talk about how like they're essentially just fear-mongering and like driving a certain level of like anxiety. And I've seen in people in other t and I can't they have seen these months ago at this time other people on TikTok saying like when I was consuming true crime I was just becoming anxious and a and aware and over aware and scared of the society that you live in cuz realistically your likelihood depending obviously it depends hugely on where you live but like is zero like a like a like let's say like a Luca Magna happening again, okay, is a 0.00001% 0000001% chance of that happening. Now, should you know to not, let's say, match with somebody on Hinge and then go to their house, you know, and without ever meeting them, yes. But do you do you need somebody to describe how someone's eyes were gouged out into a mic for money to be the one who does that? I feel like not necessarily, you know. And of course, with this tour, we're going to be partnering with incredible, crucial charities and organizations. You guys know I deeply, deeply care about the work that we do, more than I can even put into words, and I'm looking forward to having these really important discussions with you all in real life.
Hello again. My friend called me and my boyfriend's playing Overwatch. If you hear a lot of clickity clacky, it is what it is. I can't pay my rent by myself. Anyway, I can't, but I'm just kidding. Anyway, we skipped 20 seconds in cuz he's just recapping some stuff. But this TikTok was also good. Again, we're just going to speed it up a little bit. See how it goes.
Going on tour where you're going to be talking with people about how people got murdered in the most brutal ways possible. I'm saying this is someone who used to watch her like several years ago from 2019 to 2021. And this comment was left under a video I made a couple of months ago about how I have a very little amount of respect for the true crime community because of the way that they glamorize murder cases. And at the time, I didn't really think Ellen O'Neal was one of them because back then she actually used to be respectful about it. And when this person made this comment about Ellen O'Neil, I didn't really get what she meant. But with the announcement of this live tour, not only does my point stand, but this comment is absolutely right. Because imagine you've just lost a loved one in the most brutal way possible. And then some social media star is going on tour where she's going to be talking with thousands of people and treating it like some sort of entertainment. Treating your loved one's death like it's some [ __ ] fictional mystery game. And all for what? Some fame, profit. Like you're literally profiting off of people's tragedies. Like there has to be a point where you just think this is too far and this live tour is 100% crossing the line. Like does it ever click in your head that maybe certain things are just not appropriate? I don't know, man. But just fix up.
Now I want to just let play because it's like my exact sentiments and it's I guess it's sort of freshening to a certain degree that other people are kind of picking up what I've been putting down for the last little while. And this is what I mean when I say to think critically of the content, right? Because this didn't surprise me based on assessing what she was putting out before. And it clearly didn't surprise some other people, right? But again, I'm not looking down on anyone. It's just I don't understand why she just thought this was a good idea. This is the last one we're going to look at. Elena's tour that she's going on. True crime content creator yada yada yada. The parasocial behavior of her audience. It's mad. I will say there are like a few that are just like they're quite disappointed in her and stuff, but the ones that are like blindly defending her, it just goes to show that you guys do not care about the victims being sensitive, all of that. She since responded to the backlash and said she's going to handle the stories with sensitivity, and that's all it takes for you guys missing the point. I'd have far more respect for people if they were just like, you know what, we're a bit freaky and we want to hear gory stories. You know, at the end of the day.
Break freaking news, guys. I have a big. This is what I said, too, right? Where it's like, I love slop. I watch content. I love slop. It's It's crazy because I'll literally like I will I will read and and this is it sounds comical, okay? I will read like an American classic novel or I'll read like university lecture transcript books or I'll read Kenneth Burke or I'll read Dereda or I'll read something like that and then oh and then there's Jordy in the background telling Amberlland Reed to juggle. Okay, the thing is is that when I say I'm watching I'm not saying I'm watching these ethic no slop and that's fine. I make slop sometimes and like the people in the in these communities like the Amberlin re communities and stuff aren't being like we're moralists, you know, where like or or people who do whatever like uh you know, little cheap commentary videos or little drama Kiki videos or things along that line, right? Little joke videos, whatever it might be. But it's like all she does is I always will handle the cases with care and then they're like sold here. Money money. Here's money. He takes make my money. Take my money rich lady. It's like why it's just because someone says something doesn't mean they're going to do it. Like I really feel like that's that's like the the thing to take at the end of this. But anyway, this is my feelings on everything. This video. I I swear to God, the curse of me saying it's going to be a short one. I swear to God. I swear to God because I said that I thought it was going to be 20 minutes max. It's an hour. Anyway, hate myself already for editing later. But let's conclude.
To conclude, we talked about the history of Elanor Neil on this channel, my problems with with kind of the way that she's posted with her content and why people have these sentiments that have led to the very forward backlash that she's gotten on the tour announcement. We went through the tour announcement comments and the post that Elanor Neil made along with my feelings on it and we discussed what some Tik Tockers were thinking and we talked about YouTube video as well in talking about the discourse around this true crime tour. And with that link source of waste channel, all that kind of stuff down below. Thank you again to my wonderful, beautiful YouTube members and patrons. Sorry I'm such a grumpy bumpy this time. I hope each and every one of you have an amazing day. I want to stress enough that I do not want any hate to Elanor. These are my opinions. And if you're someone who consumes this content, I'm not looking down on you because or or anything like that. You're not the one doing these things. And this content clearly has utility and entertainment value for some people. It's just not me. I love each and every one of you dearly. And I hope you all have an amazing day wherever you are. and I'll see you when I see you. Bye.
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