The Apollo Show #69: Green Girl Bella - UK's top Arsenal girl

[music] Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of the Apollo Show. I'm your host, Apollo, and I'm here with the UK's biggest Arsenal girl, Bella. How are you?

>> Hi. How are you?

>> Ah, I'm so good. Good to see you.

>> It's good to see you, too.

>> I know. It's crazy like seeing someone after seeing them just online for so long.

>> Yeah. Yeah. and you're like, I know you, but I never seen you in the flesh.

>> Yeah, to be fair, I've seen more of your I have your face. [laughter] But, you know, it works.

>> Pretty standard. Pretty standard. It's actually a weird feeling like walking around the streets or like going out at night when people are a bit drunk and like realizing anyone who recognizes me has seen my hilarious.

>> Oh my god. I know. I know. It's just like, do you know me because of my or do you know me because of my face?

>> It's most likely the, you know, the the good stuff, [laughter]

>> mate. So, what brings you to Australia? What's happening?

>> I just needed some sun. The seasonal depression got to me hard.

>> Um, football's not going well in the UK. It's just everything is just going downhill. I have such a special connection with Australia. I don't know why.

>> I'm like, [clears throat] I don't know what it is. Like, ever since I was younger, I was like, I've always wanted to be here. And then as soon as I got here, I was like, it just feels like home. Did you have some sort of like ch children's book that had like that was an Australian B like we had a lot of like children's books that are like here are the animals the kangaroo the natives and things like that. Did you have things like that that have like kind of cultivated this want to be down under?

>> Yeah. And I wanted to like I mean now as an adult I spend most of my days down under other people. So now I'm like I have to visit the other side of the world cuz it just wasn't enough. So yeah, we I had loads of books and stuff like that when I was a kid. My uncle is actually from Australia, which is which is kind of cool, but he lives over in Sydney. And um it just I had a real special connection with Steve Man.

>> Dude, I was like you and everyone. He was like the golden child of

>> I know

>> of the world really, but of Australia. Like whenever people thought of like Australia at that time, they thought about Steve Owen and what aing legend he was.

>> I know. I had such a big crush on him.

>> Yeah. I was just in love with him. Just everything to do with him.

>> What's not to love?

>> I know. I really wanted to be a vet when I was younger.

>> Really?

>> Yeah. And then I realized that like I had to, you know, do a lot of work to do that. So, I just stick to

>> And then I realized, you know, med school for 8 years probably would have been better than doing this job.

>> Well, I don't know about that. like do you ever look back on um your career now and think like if I had have done it differently I would have gone into something else?

>> I'll be honest with you. I think I I'm kind of like a split sort of person where I like

>> there's one side of me that's just like a little deviant and then there's another side of me that's very like straight edge cuz I grew up Catholic so it's like I grew up very like straight edge and then there's like that side of me that's like ah and like I always was like a little sort of like horny teenager where

>> can I just say though that is like so stereotypical of the horny Catholic girl like like when you're [laughter] like when you're like yeah it's impossible for that to happen cuz I'm Catholic I'm like especially when it's going to happen. Like the the Catholic girls, you know, had a reputation for just loving it.

>> Yeah.

>> Which is which is great. Whatever. Like

>> stop depriving us. And then

>> Well, that's what it is, isn't it? That's what it is. It's that suppression of that sexuality that then creates these like outbursts of sexuality.

>> Yeah. I mean, from from a young age, I've always had a very like intense interest in relationships, human psychology, stuff like that. Um cuz I'm ADHD autistic. So, I got double homicide. Um, and yeah, it's just been a real like

>> you just get like locked the in on a subject and just dive deep is

>> Yeah, exactly. And like it's just kind of exploring and seeing how human chemistry works and I think it's interesting to kind of actually experience it within this job because I meet all different types of people. They've all grown up watching different types of stuff. They've all got their own style and also it gives you like so much confidence to tell people like you know oh like I like this and like let's like see what we can make out of it and then you get to have like the best the safest space to try everything which is which is amazing.

>> That's so true. It is so true. Like you really are open to to doing whatever you like within like a safe space.

>> Exactly.

>> So good. I think that's where we're we've become the luckiest because it's like, you know, if you if you've got a specific thing that you're into and you can't find a partner that you trust to to kind of explore that side of you with then cuz sometimes even when you've had a partner, you're still too worried to tell them about stuff. Whereas in our industry, it's super cool. I could walk in and go, "Hey, Apollo, I have a thing for" and you could be like, "We could do that today."

>> Yeah, totally. Okay. Do you know what I mean?

>> You want to snort my short? [laughter] Do what you got to do.

>> Literally.

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>> You know, like I have so many people come to me and they tell me to like all different things that they're into. And I always just say to them like, you know, this is completely a safe space for you to talk about whatever you want. And I never judge people for what they're into. Sometimes I do ask some of my fans like why where did that come from? Like because I want to know. It's not out of a place of like malice or like where, you know, I'm trying to take the mick out of you, but it's more like I I'm just curious as to why. And I think a lot of my a lot of my fans who are into the more adventurous stuff, like they get a bit a little bit embarrassed to tell me, but I'll be like, "Come on." Like, I just

>> interesting stuff out there where you're just like, "Where did you get that from?" Like, like there was a dude once that was like, "Hey, I want you to pretend I'm an ant." Like, not even an ant. Yeah. The size of an ant. And I want you to be like pretending to step on me, like put the phone on the ground and be like, you're pathetic, tiny human. Like, and and I'm like, at the time I was like not adventurous at all in my customs. I was like, I'm not going to do that. That's weird. I don't want to get that leaked.

>> No, there people like that exist. And I think like,

>> but where does that come from? Like like even to this day I'm like where does that mature as you grow up into this like thing where you're like literally want someone who's the size of a skyscraper to be like smooshing you as a sexuality as a as a sexual

>> Yeah.

>> you know like stimulant. I think it's cuz the thing is I obviously I look into a lot of stuff like this and usually for people who are like kind of into the being small and insignificant sort of thing, it's like it's either a power imbalance uh issue that they have in their personal life or it's a specific thing with not being heard or seen um by parents or guardians or friends, family, things like that. And then it kind of just manifests itself into some sort of like sexual trigger.

>> That makes sense.

>> And it can be a specific situation. You know what I mean?

>> I'm not thinking of it too literally. See, I'm thinking that like I get where guys like big cuz you know mother milkers and they probably like, you know, it's probably something that they got breastfed for too long or something, you know? I don't know. Like just to me, I always think of like a literal transition, but I'm like in my head I'm like what what could be the thing? But obviously like being submissive and it's like their version or their outlet of being like just totally helpless inactual

>> cuz the difference with especially submissive men and I assume that you get quite a lot of submissive women with your style of

>> videos. Absolutely. Absolutely.

>> Um I think especially a lot of submissive men like you really need to take care of these people. Um just because at the end of the day I think especially when they're coming to people like us and they're asking us for stuff it's like obviously we're supposed to do all of the right things and like it's like for me I'll find out everything about them make sure that they're like first of all mentally sane uh and you know within the right mind to be doing certain things and then afterwards you when you do whatever it is that you they want you to do you then like provide them with that afterare as well even though it is still online. What does afterare like after in an online sense? Like is that just chatting back and forth?

>> Yeah. So, it's kind of like reviewing your situation and being like, okay, so I was really horrible to you in those videos, for example. I know that that's what you asked for, but like just checking in. Are you are you all good? Like you feel good. That made you feel like, you know, you're not worthless, you're not this, you're not that, but just making sure that you're okay. And like it's I think it is really important because those sorts of feelings that you have towards yourself do become like an outlet if you are a submissive person and you start believing those things especially when you're kind of caught up in in the moment like you start thinking to yourself like oh yeah like I want you to say this because I feel like this. So then afterwards you need to provide people with the tools of being like you know it's

>> by the way this is fantasy not who you actually are.

>> Yeah. Exactly.

>> So, cuz you have that sexual outlet and then after that outlet, you need to put everything to bed and be like that's it.

>> I think um like a lot of people don't really have hobbies. So, it's a real danger to make it your personality, whatever you even if it's like something um on the sexual side of things, but they find like something that they're into and it becomes their entire personality. going into the dude that's like slung up in um Pulp Fiction with Bruce Bruce Willis. You know what I mean? Like the [ __ ]

>> The thing is is I say this all the time. It's like when you look at there's a and I want to kind of tread on this really carefully because I know it's like a bit of a sensitive issue. However, for example, I deal with a lot of like [ __ ] men who like dressing up as women. And a lot of the times I'll see people post videos of what they say, "Oh, these are these trans people." But it's not a trans person. Uh it will be a man who wants to dress up like a woman. And that's like,

>> yeah, crossdressing and drag and all that is very different.

>> A drag isn't a fetish. Like [clears throat] there's such a there's a big difference. And I think unless you're in it, like myself, where I train [ __ ] men to dress up like women, um, you will never truly understand what it is. But there are some people who do post videos of trans people and they are spot on with the fact that it is just a man who wants to dress up as a woman. Because I'll tell you, the amount of people who I have who want me to [ __ ] train them and then they'll be like, "Oh, should I go out like this?" Absolutely not. No, you're not involving anybody else in that. Like, and I think it's so detrimental to real trans people who want to be heard and seen and then you just have these people who want to use it for their own sexual gratification. I don't think that's fair. It's just very hard to be able to tell the difference because again what you were saying the whole thing of being very deep into their own and making their their whole personality is it's a difficult situation to navigate on like you know who's who's genuinely trans and who's actually just a [ __ ] because they end up some some women especially when they're not like fully trained doms or they're like not actually taking care of their subscribers, they'll go, "Yeah, you go out and you you dress like a woman and you you go and go order a coffee like that like because they want to get money, but they're not thinking about what is actually going on in real life and what could happen

>> to you're you're kind of targeting a marginalized community by doing that and it's not fair. Don't ever involve people in your own kinks and fetishes. It's that's yours and that's between you and whoever you're you're doing that between. So, like we've all seen the Twitter videos where like the trans man looks like or the trans woman, sorry, looks like very much just like a a dude at the if it is a trans individual, they're at the very beginning of their journey and it just slapped a dress on.

>> So, you're saying like a lot of these like outrage bait kind of videos where it's like women confronting a dude in the bathroom who's like balding and like doesn't not even trying to look feminine, just with a dress on. And you're saying like that's a totally different thing.

>> It it potentially could be

>> cuz it does seem that way. As someone who for me who I sleep with trans women for work

>> and I think they're great and the ones that I the ones that I meet like I've never met I've never met a trans girl who's like really but like

>> but you one I think one key difference that you can always tell is that [ __ ] men will be the most misogynistic version, right? So they will call themselves names that are generically very stripper, very generically, you know, like the ultimate

>> Yeah. like the ultimate personality. They'll want to wear big heels and really dresses and they want to be their version of what a woman is and that's to be degraded

>> and that's how sissies treat being a woman. However, on the other side of things, trans people respect women, but they also respect they can never have a female experience, and they're going through their own female journey.

>> Yes.

>> So,

>> that's so true. Actually, whenever you hear uh or or see anyone talking about being a [ __ ] it is always in a derogatory, demeaning, degrading way. I've never heard someone refer to themselves or talk about being a [ __ ] and it being an uplifted um and appreciated experience or like like described that way. always like I'm a filthy who loves love, don't you? Like [ __ ] like that. It's always like just really zeroing in on

>> it's like yes, get me to go to a brothel and get me to go to a and it's like if that's what you think being a woman is, that's you're not even close. Like you can wear women's clothes all you want, but you can't even begin to imagine that you're the perfect [ __ ] in this situation.

>> Yeah.

>> Like you're not like you you can't even relate.

>> Yeah.

>> And this is it's where it's such a big big difference. And I I did just I want to touch on touch on that. Obviously, I mean, I'm not trans myself and I could never have a trans experience of being trans. Obviously, I've um worked with trans people, but I could never have the experience of having to go through that, but then also having people who have kinks and fetishes who are also trying to get themselves on the rise to get noticed, to get humiliated. And it's like, you know, they want to get the engagement so they can they can sexually gratify themselves without having to pay anything, without having to ask people to do it, things like that. So,

>> I never even thought of that. Like a humiliation kink, these guys just being like, I'm going to

>> It's the same thing when people send us hate on social media. People will send us hate, especially for like people like myself or if they know that somebody's like a dominatrix or somebody who does cater

>> to that side of a community, they will hate you. Like they will send you the most hate. Like, okay, if you respond, they finish. Like that's it. They're like, "You bully me, I'll come." Like

>> Yeah, true. That is actually I never thought of it that way. How many people are just baiting you to react with their with their dick in their hand? Like I you like I thought there was a lot of like outraged people, but there's probably just a lot of like these losers to be honest. [laughter] Like

>> yeah,

>> that's a good point. I never even thought of that.

>> No, they're just sitting there at home like who can I piss off?

>> Yeah, totally.

>> Who can I piss off? I need help.

>> Like I never engage with the comments just cuz I for my own mental health. But if I did, I would have been pissed right now because I'm like, God, how many dudes have I actually

>> That's what I think. just like it. Like

>> I always used to just think like oh it's some like you know 19 or even worse 35 40-year-old dude in his mom's basement

>> just like pissed off at the world balding. You know that's how I kind of think of it whenever I think of someone leaving a mean comment on something that's just like not trying to be you know not trying to even elicit that response. Yeah, my f I just respond very childish stuff, but I think it's because being part of the British football community, like we are still very like we are just very petty towards each other. Like it's very like it's

>> school boy kind of banter, you know, like

>> so like I'll use things like your mom.

>> Yeah.

>> Don't talk about your mom like that. It's not funny.

>> Like do you know what I mean? Or I'll be like, "Thanks for buying the pagan video." Yeah. It's really easy to tell when you have the same username and then they're like, [cough and clears throat]

>> well, the thing is you're fighting that battle with the with you're fighting fire with fire. Like they're trying to humiliate you and put you on a pedestal and you're throwing it right back. And I love that. Like that's actually the way to deal with it to be honest.

>> But I'm sitting there just like having a little joke and then when I see that somebody's getting visibly annoyed, I'll just be like, "Yeah, whatever." Like I'll leave it now because obviously you're getting heated.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Good.

>> So it's it's all right though. I think people just I I I love engaging with people on social media and I think that's one thing that kind of because I I've grown up with social media. I used to be on like Tumblr. Shout out to Tumblr by the way. I miss you aren't. And Twitter and all of those sorts of things. So I think I've always used the social platforms. So I still use them as if I don't have a following.

>> Right. Right. Hey mate. Well, whatever. Like I love how genuine you are on all of your um platforms. So like that's perfect if you just use it if you're the thing is if you're like an entertaining person genuinely like and you're just kind of shooting the people can see that like people want people are desperate for like a genuine personality in this kind of realm where a lot of social media influencers aren't necessarily themselves online.

>> Yeah. I think it's just like especially with us we live such unrealistic lives. you know, it's unrealistic to expect to, you know, get laid all the time. And I'll be honest with you, disclaimer here, we don't [laughter] [gasps]

>> like I think a lot of us, obviously being like the safest community when it comes to STI and making sure that our partner our partners are okay and and things like that, we're we're really lacking in the bedroom department. We we get to really try things. But one of my favorite things is when I when I do meet someone that I want to pursue sort of romantically is I've learned all these skills to be like I'm going to do this

>> and I'm going to love it.

>> Yeah. So you kind of like you're it's like your little party tricks. Like you have like a whole bunch of stuff you can just whip out.

>> Yeah. But then I'm like should we just Should we just grab the camera, shall we? Like the amount of hookup videos I have is crazy. [laughter]

>> Just like

>> so good. I'm like, "Yeah, cuz like passion."

>> Guys don't care. Also, like guys, like if you're like, "Look,

>> my face isn't in it." Yeah.

>> Yeah. And to be honest, like I don't have any tats either. So like if that was me in that situation, I'm like, "Sure."

>> Who's going to know?

>> I mean, I would do it if I was you. I've seen the size unit that you have. Yeah.

>> So I'd [laughter] be like, "Yeah,

>> absolutely. Absolutely." Oh, dude. Like I was me me between 18 and 25 like if if Only Fans was around I would have absolutely probably featured on a lot of like if it was now if I was that like when I was like playing the field on all the dating apps spending an outrageous amount of my day with li like small talk

>> to get ghosted 85% of the time like I would probably be like doing Only Fans from very early because I would have like run into a bunch of girls like you who are like do you want to just film POV.

>> Absolutely.

>> Yeah. No, I love it. I love just like

>> filming with people. I like just in general. I think I love people watching me. Like that's my my big thing. So like for example, if I get sent like an unsolicited picture, I'm like, but what what are you like what are you hard over? because that doesn't it it makes me it turns me on knowing that people are watch they've seen a video of me

>> and then they they've got hard over it like so if I just get a picture out of the blue I'm like

>> that's nothing like so

>> I'm just I just love like you know when people see my stuff and me doing my thing and like especially when it's something that I'm really into like so for example

>> what are you what what are you really into

>> I love edging that's like I do it to myself and I do it to other guys. Um, I love anything from the back. Like I love like like anything with like really slow like build up. That's my my thing is like you build up because obviously where I have ADHD I do get very distracted.

>> So I'm like I need to be I need to be locked in.

>> You like to be in the moment and feel and feeling like you can't escape the moment even if you wanted to.

>> Yeah. Exactly. So it's like I'm like

>> same actually. Maybe that's an ADHD thing. Yeah, it is

>> because I really like getting edged and I I think the reason is is because I'm forced to be present.

>> Yes. And I love talking. Talking is such a big thing for me. Like I love speaking and like kind of having like confidence because there's nothing better than like could you imagine if you like weren't in this industry and then you like meet somebody who's just like so like right okay can you sit down for me do this? Do this and you're like sorry cuz women aren't usually like that. And that's literally me. I'm like I'm like yeah okay we're doing this now. Like [laughter]

>> true.

>> Yeah, cuz it's just a control thing like

>> Yeah. You seem like you've got like a This episode brought to you by Blackwave Supplements. Go to their website www.blkwav.com and get the best supplements known to man. Would you say you're more of a dominant like personality?

>> I think I'm a dominant personality. Yeah. And I think it takes a lot for somebody to to make me submissive. I I haven't really been in a scenario where I've been with a with guys who make me submissive cuz I still feel like even if I'm doing all of the submissive based things like obviously like being slapped or choked or hair pulled or it's rough or whatever, I'm still fully in the moment and consenting to it and still like talking them through it and being like this is amazing. So it still feels like it's it's mutual and it doesn't feel like I'm being degraded. Like even people spitting on me or like you know all the things that are overall quite degrading things. I'm like go for it. Like

>> yeah I mean in in the scenario where you both want to be there fully consensual and that's kind of where where you get your and giggles as we said before like once you're in your fantasy get into it. But once you're out of that fantasy unplug completely. So

>> exactly and I think this is something from an outsers's perspective as well. Like I I I literally had uh somebody tweet me this morning uh talking about like you only fans girls are really contributing to male violence because you talk about how you like being slapped and I'm like hey that's a lot of words to say that you don't understand consent because [laughter] I don't really know why you're sending me paragraphs because it it's very it's very basic. I think it it's one of those things that a lot of people don't understand. And I mean, I I used to talk about relationships on TikTok and I used to say, uh, have fun, stay safe, and always get consent. And there'd always be one little in the comments being like, consent? What's that? I'm like, that's not funny. That's actually not funny because you could be funnier and also get laid. Um, because that's clearly where the issue is coming along. But I think it is still a sensitive subject because there's a lot of situations where people are like, "Oh, you guys have put that in there yourself." Like you've done that to yourself. And it's the same with like male situations. It's like if a guy was assaulted uh and they're like, "Oh, but he was hard." And it's just like

>> unfortunately the internet is where like like the worst 20% of human beings with a availability to be on these apps kind of go to live. But you know,

>> so

>> actually I've met people in real life who have these opinions.

>> I don't know whether it's like but it they'll hide it quite well,

>> right?

>> They'll be like that they'll they'll say that they support like violence against women or whatever, but then it's like so uh what happened when your friend took home that girl the other day? Oh yeah, I don't know whatever he did. And then it turns out that he assaulted her,

>> right? And then they're like, "Yeah, but he he didn't do anything to me."

>> Right.

>> Sure. Okay. Like if you actually stood with it, you'd be like, "That's not my friend anymore."

>> Yeah.

>> He's not a bro. Like he's got issues. And then obviously I know people are like, "Oh yeah, like, but false allegations are in people's life." 0.5% of allegations turn out to be false. So it's like less than 2% actually go through. But h why are we talking about this when when we literally are like I think it's hard because in my head I have this mental battle all the time where it's like I am a woman who loves and I want people to learn more about their bodies and I want people to enjoy their experience because I know so many girls who like just literally sleep with so many people and like never finish and I'm like girl you need to like learn your own body

>> because you know I I've been I've been doing my own thing like on myself for the longest this. I've learned exactly how my body works, exactly what I like, exactly what I don't like. So, when someone goes to do something that I don't like, I'm like, "Hey, you can try like this, but I don't really like it like that." But if you like that, like, give it a go. Um, and then that's obviously explicit consent cuz I'm telling someone exactly what what it is.

>> But there's so many girls who aren't like that. And I think there's such a a learning curve for a lot of people. And I try and make that as realistic as possible in my content. And that's why I use like the speaking and and you know explicit consent. I mean I I done like a pegging video with afterare like stuff like that. So it's all like real life situations where like you know you can also kind of learn which is obviously nobody wants to learn whilst they're watching. But once you set the standard and once like you see like oh like once like someone who is being super submissive is like you know what I I learned all this stuff or I saw all this stuff originally on Bella's page and can't she let's just say they go to someone else to buy our video and they're like oh this doesn't come with the afterare at the end. This is like compared to

>> what I've experienced before.

>> I don't think there's anything worse. Like I I think if we do flip it to sort of like pegging for example like to a guy like it's very unrealistic to same with with like gay gay it's like it's an unrealistic thing to expect something to just go in dry and that's what a lot of portray

>> um really

>> yeah I mean I don't I don't know if you've ever partially watched any sort of gayle but genuine like

>> well I don't know like I'm assuming they lose You would assume that, but a lot of people, like if you were like watching that for the first time as like an interested young gay man,

>> you wouldn't know. You'd be like, I don't even know. I don't know what that is.

>> Oh, right. You're saying that they don't film the part where they're lubing themselves up.

>> Like they'll spit on it and it's like, you know, spit dries in like 2 seconds.

>> I literally was just like thought I was about to have like a like find out that no gay guys use lube. I was like, "Oh my god, these guys are machines."

>> Now there you go. Yeah. Yeah. Now you you're right. like using um hardcore as an education tool was probably the worst thing to happen to my generation. Like I'm 37, you know,

>> and we were the first generation. Like I I'm from a from a time when I was like 12. I saw my first like magazines when I was 12 and I probably saw like I was from the generation where I had a t like a computer that was the size of a like it was bigger than a a TV like it was the size of a microwave if we had to like think of like a a TV. Now imagine a microwave that's like three times as big. That's a TV. Anyway, long story short, my computer would like download photos and video like one or three seconds at a time. So, like my point is like I don't know like I was like learned I learned like everything there is to know about like having from like clips of you know Pirates of the Caribbean like all that.

>> I did a Pirates of the Caribbean.

>> Did you?

>> Yes.

>> Do you remember the actual like the actual mainstream

>> video of it with I think it had Jenna Jameson in it?

>> No, I don't. But the one that we did was Cream Pirates of the Caribbean. [laughter]

>> Yeah.

>> Cream Pirates. That's hilarious.

>> It was fun. It was fun when I was doing my research on this sort of stuff because I was like, why is it that parents are so scared to tell their sons about like educating their sons on and and consent and all this sort of thing and they're like and women are more likely to know a little bit more, you know, about defending yourself and looking after yourself. And it's like, oh, actually, yeah, 99% of men learn about it between your age all the way up to now. Um, they 99% of men learn about through which is scary and then people blame companies actually no they blame actresses.

>> Yeah. I mean, it's really it's I don't know what the answer is because like I I mean, it probably show I don't I don't know if it shows that I'm like in this industry or not but like my my parents never gave me a formal sit down talking to about

>> but also that generation was very shrouded in shame. Like I remember I remember there was no talk at all at home and it was kind of just pretended like it didn't even exist

>> which then naturally will make you curious.

>> It's same with us. We I learned that you can't like you just shouldn't get pregnant. If you have sex you'll get pregnant and the Lord does not want that.

>> Yeah. Right.

>> So I'm like okay well what we going to do about this then? Got to go learn. But luckily I had I grew up with two moms and before anybody comes for me I have a dad too who's very present. It's just my mom left my dad and then you know whatever. I grew up with two parents so I had quite an open relationship with both of them like they told me a lot of things. My mom taught me about consent. She but she was also a police officer who did look after escorts gay people LGBT.

>> Oh wow. So you've had like a um a proper

>> So she was like in the in the stuff that happens out there for real as well as like why these rules are in place in the first place.

>> I had the talk of like if your teacher touches you inappropriately you tell me. Yeah.

>> I'm like wo okay or things like that like okay if somebody tries to do this you say what you say no blah blah blah. There's like

>> y

>> I had that education from so young but I think it's because the fear was instilled in my mom because she saw it every single day. like every single day she was seeing it doesn't matter what color, what race, what religion anyone was, it was happening everywhere and she didn't want that for me and my brother.

>> No doubt. No doubt.

>> So it she was very explic open with things that were happening in the world and that might have made me a little bit anxious as a person but and more hyper aware of things that people can do. So obviously it does instill a little bit of fear, but then obviously me building up my own relationships and my own situations um around it. I then have the tools to take that into adulthood and be like, "Hey, I don't actually I don't like that. Can you not do that?" Like, do you know what I mean? Um and I know when people are being weird and I know when things are happening. I mean, to be fair, I had my I don't know why this just pops into my head, but my best friend from primary school, her dad hit me up

>> um

>> like recently.

>> Yeah. like probably about a couple of months ago. Um, and he was like, "You've turned into a beautiful young woman." I was like, "You used to bath me, sir." I was like, "You used to." And I was like, "Yeah, I don't think we should be having this conversation." Immediate shut down. Yeah. And then I messaged his ex-wife and I was like, "Yo, your husband's aing weirdo."

>> Yeah. It happens though. You know what I mean?

>> Oh, I know exactly what you mean. Like the amount of girls that I've worked with who I just asked them like like who's the weirdest person that's ever like they were like for real like someone very very close to me that I thought would never be you know on my fans on there.

>> Yeah. Literally.

>> Yeah. So I mean you'd be surprised people are creeps. People are people are like creeps and that's but like you know although I like I'll say like I never got a formal chat like I was very sheltered growing up in terms of like being very strict on like don't trust no one. No one gives a very European like I think that's a very part of like

>> like my my grandparents the Greek side came over on a boat like you know in 1950s

>> but I I guess obviously a lot of your family had that sort of like internalized sort of like racism coming into here because obviously you had a lot in the ' 50s like even the indigenous people here had it

>> indigenous as people like have really coped it since the like since the introduction of like

>> I was reading about this the other day.

>> Yeah. Yeah. It's [laughter] it's not been a good run for them for sure. But in terms of like the attitude of like my grandparents and like immigrants in

>> Is that is that assumption that anybody who's white doesn't really like you that much back in the ' 50s.

>> Um and then obviously it's kind of grown to where it is today. And I that's why I still think it's like so important to like

>> make everyone feel included and welcome. But I understand why you would have had that view because that would have been pushed onto your parents and then down again. It's the same thing as my my family telling me, "Oh yeah, you can't wear a bikini cuz you're too fat." Like people are going to get upset. People are not going to like it if you wear a bikini. And I'm like, "Okay, well, I must be a fat bitch."

>> Like, you know?

>> Well, you you actually lost like a lot of weight re recently or was it?

>> Um, it was a Well, I guess over the last year I've lost more. Um, but I grew up very overweight. Yeah, that's why I've got personality. I had to instill that into my soul. Not saying that people who are skinny don't have a personality. That's such a weird thing to say. But um, yeah, like I I lost a lot of weight and then yeah, it's just kind of gone on from there. But um, but yeah, I have that I'm just fighting the BBL allegations every single day.

>> Well, you do have you do have an amazing for like having it being natural. Like it's actually like I'm sure it's been similar to like I'm sure girls like where they've got like big hips or you know huge

>> mine's a condition I have lympadeema.

>> True.

>> Yeah. So it's like basically lympadeema is where you have like fat stuck in different parts of your body. That's why my legs are like quite

>> I thought it was a water retention thing as well.

>> Yeah. So it's like stuck around my knees and then water retention. My lymph nodes need to be opened for my lymph nodes to stop to work in my legs.

>> So you get like a like a biological free BBL.

>> Yeah. Yeah. As long as you lose weight off the top, you've got a free BBL at the bottom.

>> There you go. Lympadema, everyone. [laughter]

>> Give it up for limpadema.

>> Yeah. You look great. Like, just FYI.

>> No, thanks.

>> Um, but yeah. And I like So, tell me like what did you do before you started doing this?

>> So, I was a special effects makeup artist.

>> Really?

>> Yes. Oh, makes sense as to why you do the like the body painting and stuff. Like good at it.

>> Yeah.

>> So, I was a special effects makeup artist. I used to do a lot of body painting was one of my things, but I did a lot of like Halloweeny sort of stuff.

>> So, you could like turn me into a zombie with half my jaw hanging off.

>> Yeah. Yeah. With all the prosthetics and stuff.

>> I always thought that was so cool. Like like looking at the Walking Dead kind of makeup. I was like that'd be sick just to have on for

>> funsies. It's actually very painful. Like some things are It's like, have you ever heard that Jim Carrey and the Grinch like literally have PTSD from wearing the Grinch prosthetics?

>> Oh, really? Why?

>> Yeah, because it was so heavy. Like it really like sticks to your face and then sometimes you have to cover up holes like holes in your nose and and your mouth or something just to get something to fit on. So it's kind of like it's quite terrifying cuz obviously the prosthetics make it look a certain way and then they add CGI afterwards.

>> So yeah,

>> if you're not used to something on your face, it can it can incite panic pretty quick. snorkeling every not for the first like 5 minutes I kept having to come up in like a bit of I started to panic breathe a little bit like even though in my head I was like trying to be confident I was like you know what this is and like your body just kind of clicks into it so if I had something

>> unfortunately my body can't tell the difference between snorkeling and being held at gunpoint

>> yeah exactly exactly exactly so I could see how if my nose was like like if my nose holes I couldn't breathe through them like how it would make me panic cuz you're like you know your body's not used to like mouth breathing in general actually is not so good for you like it's

>> I'm such a mouth breather.

>> Yeah, same. I find when I'm like

>> I'm in bed like this.

>> Yeah. Oh, same actually. Like actually like whenever I've had someone

>> wake up with a little dribble on the pillow.

>> Yeah. I

Get filmed sleeping, like whenever, whenever I'm doing it, where I'm like, my head's tipped right back. But, you know, is what it is.

Yeah. I'm just lucky to fall asleep.

Yeah.

Yeah. [laughter] But, yeah, anyway, so I did special effects makeup, and then that industry is so hard if you're not like a Nepo baby, which I'm so jealous of you if you were. Um, but then I was a life insurance broker for like 4 years.

Was that soul destroying, or was that fun?

I was some pushiest salesperson in the world. Oh, this is so, this is actually really interesting to know because, um, if anyone out there wants to know, like, how, how can I be successful doing, like, what's the thing? And I'm like, you know what the difference is between someone who's successful and someone who's like, really successful, is literally their sales tactics and sales ability. Like, you know, for example, I don't do a lot of like hard selling on my OF. I just make it through subscription or whatever. But I know plenty of girls who make like 50% of their earnings from messaging, from, uh, the chatting to their people, selling them videos on messages, just texting in general and getting tips, you know, like.

Yeah. I'm just like one of those people. I mean, my, the rule of my old job is that you had to push people until they hung up on you. So, someone would answer.

Like, I would have hated you if you called me.

Oh, no. But I'd like just go off script and I'll be like, they're like, I'm busy. And I'd be like, oh, no, I'm so sorry. You know what? I always call people at the wrong time. That's so crazy. Such an idiot. Such an idiot. Anyway, I'll call you back. What time? And then you tell me what time and then I'll be like, "Okay. Um, sorry. Hang on. You said that you got two kids, right?"

Yeah. Okay, cool. What are their names?

And then they go, "Oh, I did say I was busy."

Like, I hate this chick already. But like, but I can appreciate like the, the hustle. Cuz whenever I see someone who's successful in sales, they really are the people who find a way.

And I think that's like. So.

I remember I had, there was this one guy. So I used to sell life insurance, which is like, not a visible product.

So it's, it's so hard cuz it's like, what, I'm talking to people about them dying or potentially dying.

It was, it was difficult. But I remember there was this one guy and on the notes on the computer, so it was like all set out so you could see exactly what this guy had said to everyone else. It was like, he told me to off, he told me to do this, he told me to do this and all of this. I'm like, oh, I'm going to call him anyway. And then I was like, "Hey." He's like, "Fuck off." And then hung up. Called him back. I went, "Excuse me, sir. I'm really sorry. I think you just hung up on me by accident or on purpose. I don't really know." And then he laughed and I was like, "Oh." And I ended up getting a 50 grand deal out of that man.

Wow.

Yeah. So, he got life insurance for like 50 years and he had like multiple estates. He was super rich. He just wanted somebody that didn't sound like a salesperson. That's all he wanted.

The power of being a genuine salesperson. Like, [laughter] that's an amazing skill to have. Honestly, I always used to think when I had, cuz I used to work in a gym. Like I used, and like in big gyms, anyone who knows a big gym knows that the engine room of a big gym is their sales department.

So I used to look at the like, really, uh, talented sales people. I used to think to myself, man,

you are so amazing at at convincing, what's the word? Like, I wouldn't say it's even manipulating people. It's, it's more, it's more convincing them that this is something that they need. And a lot of the times, if they went through with going to the gym, it is actually something they would use and need.

Exactly. Cuz it's like one of those things where it's like, I don't know, like, I'd get people to tell me about like, how many time, like, do they go to the past objections? That's what it is.

I'd be like, "Do you go to the pub very often?" "Oh, yeah, like, I go to the pub. I see my friends everywhere." "Oh, that's really cool. Have you got loads of friends?" "Yeah, yeah. Yeah." "All right." They don't get to it. I'd be like, "Yeah, it's 20 quid a month, mate." Go, "I can't afford that." I'm like, "Yeah, but if you like, didn't have one less beer, cuz you told me you go pub every week, like, you'd be fine. Man, I shouldn't have told him."

He's like, hell, you [ __ ].

And I'm like,

classic.

It's all right. I'm like, just one less beer and also one less heart attack at the end of the, you know, you could have died earlier if you had that beer. Then what would happen? Your wife would be left on her own cuz she told me she would.

And they're like, yeah, cool. All right.

It's so awful. But some people be like, "You're so rude." And I'm like, "Yeah, but it's just stating the obvious." I think it's just, yeah. I guess with a lot of people as well, like when it comes to, it's same with like, um, why everyone was so freaked out during like co. Because like when you call about life insurance, then they go, oh, the reality is, I do feel like I'm not looking after my health. The reality is, I know I'm not doing about my health. I haven't been to a gym. I haven't eaten well. I don't care for vegetables. I hate walking. And then they're like, maybe I do need life insurance.

Yeah. We did so well. Like, I didn't start Only Fans until just after lockdown in the UK.

Okay. We were in lockdown for.

How long?

Like 2 years.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, it was like crazy. I might that might be wrong, but it felt like 2 years.

It felt like forever. And, um, there was only so much walking you could do. And then I remember I was working from home. I texted my mom and I was like, "Should I start Only Fans?" She's like, "What's that?" I'm like, "Oh, it's just like." She's like, "Okay, nothing too crazy." And I'm like, "Yeah, okay, cool. I'll do whatever." And she's like, "Yeah, fine." And then.

Uh, I remember doing my makeup whilst being on the phone to clients whilst and like sitting there in full lingerie. So lucky those clients, hey, because I'd be try, I what I wanted to do is in my head I was like, if I make the same amount of money for 3 months as I do in my normal job, then I will leave. And I used to make about sort of like 5 to seven grand at my old job. So it was like, it was still, it was pretty good. And I was like, this probably the best case scenario of someone who's only got a degree in in hair and makeup. And I'd be sitting whilst going, um, and then in my lunch break, I would be doing that and then I'd be up till 2:00 a.m. talking to whoever subscribed.

And then my days were just so long. After that first 3 months, I was able to leave.

And I was like, cool. I didn't really make, I didn't make loads. I was matching it.

Well, I only had Twitter. I only knew that what Twitter was.

So.

The thing is, is that like, people don't realize just how much time you actually need to be successful on Only Fans. Like, I was doing, um, part-time personal training, so it worked out to be about 15 to 20 hours a week, um, in transit and working there. I think I had like 10 or 15 clients at the time. Um, but that, like, just having that 20 hours a week of in-person time taking away from like my creative drive, um, my want to do posting every day on, you know, three to five different, you know, social medias. Now I'm on like six different social medias. But like, none of the, like, I was going through like a week period where I'm like, I haven't posted anything this whole week because of, like.

Would kill me now.

Yeah. Same. Same. I'd be like, what's wrong with you? You slap on the wrist.

Yeah. Even being here, the time zone being different, I'm like, I haven't posted English time. What am I [laughter] doing?

Um, and then obviously, it just, oh, it just affects everything. I'm like,

um, but I'm so, pardon the pun about this job. I'm so, like, my assistants have actually forced me over here.

Great.

Yeah. So, my cameraman and, um, my lady that helps with all my collabs and stuff like that, they were both like, "Go to Australia. We know that you wanted to go, blah, blah, blah." So, I went and then I was like, "All right." Yeah. And then they were like, "Now you can't work." Ha. [laughter]

I'm like, "Look where I am on her podcast and I'm like messaging people like, "Hey, [laughter and gasps]

that's so good."

So, I don't know. I've just like, I can't not work. Like, but I haven't had any time off in like 4 years. And even like, every day since I've been here, I've still been like messaging all my fans, speaking to people. Like,

can I say something though? Like, like, I'm, I come from like doing jobs that I don't love. Like, I'm interested, I was interested in personal training, but I didn't love personal training. Nor did I have, I had a pretty good work-life balance with personal training. Like, I could go home in between clients, nap during the day if I wished, whatever. But now, like, the work-life balance is crazy. Like, as long as I'm organized and have like my videos scheduled up forward, like, I can literally say, like, the last few days, like, literally I've been like, a little bit off color healthwise for the last 5, 6 days and I've just said to myself, I'm going to do almost nothing for the next 5, 6 days. I've been able to do that. But like, in real life, to take 5 days where you're like, literally not really doing much,

you know, it's really hard. So, I mean, I think that and plus, I actually love this job. So, like, sometimes doing this job doesn't really feel like work. You know what I mean?

Exactly. And I think like, a lot of people assume that you're always going to. And like, they always say that thief is comparison is the thief of joy. And I think a lot of people because they put,

they put it out there. I'm so successful. I make so much money. And realistically, it's not like that every, every month. It's not like that every month. And there's certain things that will go well for you. And there's certain things that won't. And people constantly lie about their income. And they.

Going to say, like, there's been like, even some recently where one of the girls, I don't remember who it was, uh, put a thing out where she makes 43 million a month.

Oh, Sophie, Sophie. And like, the shock value of somebody who doesn't do any, also no nothing because all of her nudes are AI, to make 43 million. I can, I guess she probably makes about 600k because she's got a great marketing team. She's got great clip accounts. She's got a lot of stuff being posted out. So curiosity will kill the cat and everyone will go and have a look because they'll be like, who is this girl? Because the marketing team are great. It's definitely not 43 million, but it would, it would probably be about 5, 600k just because the, the marketing is great. But then it will be, let's all subscribe. Oh, she doesn't post anything. Got to go.

Honestly, like the amount of people who get on to like my page and they're like, "Dude, this this page is sick."

I have that too. And that's without other people. But I think because there's so people.

I'm kidding. I'm kidding. [laughter] I'm kidding. I I think because so many people don't have like, there there's a lot of like, there's a genre of OF girl that have nothing. Like, they don't post any, um, porn, but they allude to the fact they do. And I think that's what annoys me. It's like, if you don't, like, I have a really good friend who doesn't post any explicit content, but she explicitly says, I don't post explicit content. I post in bikinis. And so people will go and subscribe anyway.

Um, but it's like.

It's when you pretend you're doing that you're doing it and you're not. No.

Yeah.

Like, no.

Like, please don't do that because it's like, because what's happening is that people are then subscribing to these people cuz they find them, find them attractive. And then they will come to us.

And they will be like, cuz like, they'll mis-sell stuff. They'll, they'll send out a video saying, oh, yeah, like, this is with massive and like, blah, blah, blah. It's just a, like, obviously, it's still a genre of it solo, but they'll pretend that they're with a guy. And then people get kind of a little bit like, oh, I don't want to buy anything from anyone just in case.

And I feel like it affects your brand. Like, if you were the one, they saw the Instagram reel with you doing a dance with this girl or whatever. And then they're like,

and then you're like, oh, we made a tape. And then you can't find the tape. Like,

bro, why are you even alluding to the fact that you've done that?

It's so shortsighted. Like, as a business person, like, forget like the fact that Only Fans is. Let's just talk business. If you're someone who, like, the biggest thing with business, you'll be surprised how far you can get if you just do what you say.

Yeah.

So, if you just do what you say, if you say, "Hey,

I'm going to give you." So, if for me, for example, if I say to you, I'm going to give you two free tapes every single week for 4 weeks straight on your on your subscription. I'm going to give you four free BTS reels of new upcoming things, plus explicit previews. And that's all going to be within your, uh, subscription. And your first month is 50% off. And then I do that 52 weeks of the year. Guess what? Like, that's business. That's good business. What's bad is if I'm saying, "Hey, guess what? I've got all these videos," but it's like, really, you're just like taking photos of these people for social media, but you've got nothing to sell. Like, I'm going to be pissed as a consumer. I'm going to be like, "Dude, give my money back."

Consumer advertising, actually. Like, that is a real thing.

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And I think one of the things that people don't know about me is like, people don't actually know what I do. I think I keep it so well, not hidden. Well, your biggest thing, if people don't know, is that you do interviews at the football, like you do it out in front of the stadium.

On social media, obviously, it's so hard to show people because even on Twitter, the only platform where you can post graphic content,

it gets, um, it gets. If I was to post on on, I couldn't tell any people, anyone that I'm on there. Like.

Yeah, true.

Which obviously I am actually starting to post on there. So, that's cool. But.

So people. Yeah, cuz people might look at this part of the conversation and be like, "Yeah, she can say all, you know, she can say you should be like, do do what you say." But she's never said that she does on these normal platforms, Instagram and TikTok. [laughter] I've never seen her say. And then people will come to my page and be like, "I thought you were just an Instagram model." I'm like, "What do you want? You want Jason Love? Danny D? Like, who who you wanting?" Like, [laughter]

do you know what I mean? It's just like everyone. And I like.

But I think that's better. Like, I think it's better for people to like you for something. Whether that's like, like, if, if I found out that Nigella, you know, like, [laughter] did I did Only Fans, I'd probably be a lifetime subscriber, you know, like, it's just like things like that where people are like, I really like this chick. I like her personality or this person, whatever. And, um, it's nothing to do with.

It's like whenever I post with someone who does, like, let's say for example, like, I don't know, like yesterday I was with Girth Master.

And everyone was like, "Huh?

Why are you with him? He does." Bro, what do you think I do for a living?

Why do you think I'm even here?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm like, but it's funny because they're like, "Oh, I preferred you when you just did the Arsenal content."

I'm sorry. How do you, how the do you think I could afford to go to every single Arsenal game?

Yeah.

Yeah. [laughter] How the do you think that I have time to pay a cameraman to come and film me at a stadium?

Yeah.

What do you think I do? Like, that's that's just a bit of fun for me. Like.

Well, you know what's interesting? How many people legitimately believe TikTok is paying the bills? [laughter]

Like, like.

Listen to this laugh, everyone. Listen [gasps] to it because this is how we feel whenever someone's like, "Oh, how much do you get paid from Instagram?" I'm like, "30 bucks a month or something." [laughter] Like, [gasps]

it's like, do you get paid from TikTok? Yeah. I think I've got about £50 in there and that's for 3 years. That's three years worth. And that's millions of views monthly or every, like, every month. And then Instagram. Oh, and also the UK, like, um.

Oh, yeah. Don't you get brand deals?

No, I get, "Hey, could you hold our products in your video, please?"

Because because you're a sex worker, I don't really want to be associated with you.

Well, this is it. Is that like, it would be lucrative if I was just a normal, you know, run-of-the-mill mainstream person. I could get like these brand deals. Like Nike might look at me. But Nike's not going to. Or anyone with enough money to sponsor you to make it worth it is going to actually. Like, most, but most people who like don't mind being seen with you are like, "Look, we can't pay you anything, but we can give you a, uh, a promo code."

Yeah, we'll give you a promo code and you send that out to your, like, so why am I like, it's like, I've even had lingerie companies say to me, like, I know for a full fact, there's like, a certain lingerie company that will pay people who don't, who aren't in the industry, right? And then when it comes to us, they'll go, "We'll give you a code."

Hello, we have a male audience, right? And guess who's buying the lingerie? Nine times out of 10, men for their wives. Like, what are you doing? And I, I've had it so many times where companies have reached out to me. They go,

"Oh, we want to pay you to do this." Okay, I'll send you statistics. And they go, "You have a male audience." I'm like, "Your, your product is for men and women, bro."

Yeah. Exactly. And then it's like, but then also they'll go, "Oh, we didn't realize that you do Only Fans."

I'm like,

"Yeah."

And I remember I had such a bit of a, I had such a mental battle for a while because I did try and do more of the influencer stuff. Like, I really wanted to like,

make it work and it just wouldn't. I even had,

I had a social media management.

Which was that helpful or no?

It would have been, cuz they were, they were with some of the biggest influencers in the UK. Like, when you think big, like the biggest, like they were with some of those. I got turned down from multiple different things. Like, you know, we we have like big YouTubers in the UK and stuff like that. I was turned down from so many places all because I had Only Fans.

True.

And it's like, at what point are you guys going to look past this? Because they'd be like, well, if you quit, then you know, we might be able to get you a brand deal. And I'm like, you want me to sacrifice my whole income for a might be a brand deal? Like,

you know what's crazy to me is that it's the not just the disrespect, just because of what we do, but also like, just so you know, I post on, and I think that's a really important place to to post because guess what? It's like the grocery store. Everyone's got to eat. And you know what is like YouTube? Like, you're not going to go on, like, I don't know many people that go on Rumble to try to find their videos. They go to YouTube. If you want to find free corn, it's going to be on that website. Now,

like, if you go viral on, like, if I, if I'm doing a brand deal for you for lube, for example, and I'm doing it at the start or in mid or whatever of my videos on, guess what? And that gets 20 million views. Guess who's seeing that? So many. Everyone at their mom, because everybody pretends they don't watch. They all do. Dude, the amount of people who recognize me from Reddit.

Like, people, people don't even recognize me as Apollo. Sometimes they recognize me as, wait for it, Greek Fabio. That's my, that's my Reddit name. [laughter]

So, I'm putting you on. Anyone, anyone who like.

I, I made it different. Cuz initially I was like, I don't want everyone to find like my Reddit. That might be. And at that time, my Reddit was better than my Only Fans cuz I wasn't really posting much. I was like, everyone. I'm not sure if you were the same, but I was very guarded of my content at first.

Like, I [laughter] even though like.

Me too. I think there's some things where some of my content, yes.

Uh, I still am very guarded towards it because I'm like, you're very good at being.

That's my favorite. I'm like, that's my favorite. And I feel like that's worth money. Do you know what I mean? Like, and especially if I really, really enjoyed it and it's like over an hour. Like, you know, and I'm like, you know what? Like, 10 minutes, I'm, yeah, fine. But like, the whole thing. Oh, God, no. Like, I always. So, I always just try to appease the algorithm. Sorry, guys. Like, so to appease the algorithm, allegedly, you have to do, do around 8 to 10 minutes. So I always make mine about 10 and a half minutes.

And that's still like a lot of the, uh, a lot of the like, good stuff in that video. But I see it as just a promotional thing. Like, I used to think to. Well, here's an interesting thing. When I first started, I was, uh, only posting my TikToks on Twitter. I got to 60,000 followers, 67,000 followers without ever posting anything other than TikTok.

Yeah, that's what I, that's what I was.

And everyone was like, "Oh, you're the guy." Is that to be able to do that like, cuz I want to post all of my stuff on. I've got a lot of stuff that I want to post and I've like edited stuff and it's ready to go. I've actually got a video that's like currently, I have to re-upload it because something went wrong along the way cuz like, if you don't know, it's aing ball lake. It's a ball late to upload onto.

That's why people avoid it for so long.

But so I'm doing that, but I need somebody to consistently film with because I have such a style and anybody that knows like, especially with my solo POVs. I love a good storyline. I love it. Um, I love having my five minutes of fame being an actress using my drama GCSE, which I don't know what your level of that is.

I don't know what that is. Like, GCSE is an exam that you do when you finish school.

HSC is what I did.

Yeah, it's like my drama HSSE.

Yeah, nice. I used to do drama, too. That was really good.

Yeah, I loved it.

I actually love working with people who have a drama background because like, I never used to do role plays until my last America trip, but there's been a couple of girls who are like, they're in the scene. They've done a lot of like studio work, so they're just used to it. They're used to just improvising. So, I'm like, man, this is actually fun.

It's so fun. Some of the videos we got.

And it gives a little bit of something to it. It gives a little bit of edge. It makes it fun. I love doing the Gonzo scene, but like a good, like, you know, situation because like, that turn, like, again, it going back to what I said when I first, when we first started.

I love a buildup. And when the buildup is surrounded by something that kind of turns me on.

Yeah.

Yeah. Like my first I ever watched was like a teacher and a student, two lesbians. If anybody remembers Sytheria. Do you remember Sytheria?

Yeah. The squirt.

YES. [screaming]

YES. I [laughter] LOVE HER. I loved her so much. I was so obsessed with her. But the first time that I evered, I squirted and I was like,

"Oh, no."

I was like, "What am I going to do? What am I going to do?"

And then you saw, Scyther, and you're like, "Oh, it's normal."

Yeah. I was fine.

Perfect. Like, do you remember the first thing that you ever to.

It would have been those, like, those, like, magazines. No. And it was a, it was a, it was an imagination because I'd looked at them and then I'd like saved them in the old, uh, memory stick upstairs before I'd like later that night. And I just remember the amount of the volume. Like, I must have hit puberty really young cuz I think like, and puberty being the time you actually produce sperm or whatever. Like, I literally, I was 12 and the amount of, like, I could have like, just saturated the laptop. Like, that that South is it South Park when he's like, when he gets like addicted to he's like, by the TV and then Randy like.

Everywhere and he's like.

Yes. [laughter] Yes. Yeah. He's like, I need a laptop. It's like the swivel chair.

Yeah. Like this. [laughter]

Yeah. [gasps] Exactly. Exactly right. Like, and then only dudes will appreciate this, but like, once you get started, man, that first, like, 6 months, you're just literally got calluses on your hands from so hard. Oh, see, like, I don't, I don't really want to think about the miners, but just in general, like, just talking about, I'm like, I love, like, I love it. That's another thing that I'm into. I like, I like people like me.

Yes.

Yeah.

Well.

I didn't used to. I used to think it was pretty degrading and now I'm just like.

Give it to me. Yeah.

Do you have a kind of guideline on things that men can do to make their taste and be in good, uh, what's the word? Texture, like a good texture?

So, drink a lot of water.

Yeah. Um, hydration. Um, lots of fruits and vegetables is good. Sometimes the thing is, people always say about pineapple, actually doesn't really do anything unless you consistently ate pineapple for like 2 years. It would make it like that fraction of a little bit sweeter cuz obviously it's all based off of acid and alkaline. Um, so, yeah, realistically, it's just having a good healthy diet. Um, and but sometimes the consistency will change anyway because obviously you guys do still have a hormonal cycle just like us, but it's very different. Yeah. So, like, sometimes you'll have more testosterone, sometimes you'll have less and it will like go up and down. But if you drink soy milk, uh, be careful because it does produce estrogen, like it helps you, which can obviously affect your.

My loads definitely differ in size when I'm more stressed. So when I'm like more relaxed, I have bigger loads. When I'm more stressed, I have, or when I'm like sick, I get like no, like virtually no produced. When I am sick, it's so not funny, but it's so, um, interesting how the body prioritizes, um, certain things and and deregulates certain things in your body that aren't needed when you're, you know, fighting off an infection or fighting off a virus or not feeling yourself or super run down. So that's, I think like a good, um, a good thing for dudes is like learning how to unplug a little bit in your.

But it's the same with women as well, I think. Because women can also get the same thing. So you can get BV or thrush or.

Unfamiliar.

Things that are a little bit off. So if you don't know what BV is, um, it's called bacterial vaginosis. It can make you smell bad.

Um, it can, um, also cause some sort of discomfort. There's no pain like with thrush. Thrush is like itchy pain, but BV is just something feels a little bit off and there's a lot of discharge. And I know people get really scared of that word. And it's something that I, I've had it previously. And usually it's when you can get it from soap, from different things that are fragrance that you shouldn't be putting next to your vag. Uh, and then also from having sex with either multiple partners or one partner who has sex with a lot of other partners. So, and also not washing properly, like guys not washing properly.

What I've heard from like, like, I obviously interview and talk to a lot of girls that do do what we do. And basically every girl that I've talked to is just says like, my, my, my job, like, like when I'm like trying to get consistent work is just trying to keep my pH levels.

Put you on something, please.

I'll put everyone on something.

Boric acid used to be the thing.

Boric acid is still the thing.

Is it?

Yeah. But if you get thrush, my nan taught me this, cuz it's like an Irish thing. So if you put a tampon in Greek yogurt, [gasps]

and stick it in you for like 10 to 20 minutes. Don't keep it in there all day, but like 10 to 20 minutes.

True. All right.

I know a lot of people are like, "Oh, no, cuz yogurt's so gross." But it has to be natural Greek yogurt, not 0% fat, sweetened, like it has to just be like full on, like plain yogurt. That will fix that. And then boric acid. Yeah. Um, but not too much boric acid cuz it can make you feel a bit funky. But just make sure that you're not like douching your or anything like that cuz or baby oil. I know a lot. And coconut oil, especially if you're really sensitive. A lot of people will say like, "Oh, like coconut oil is fine because it's natural." No, no, no, no. Any oil will double bacteria in your body.

Hold on, hold on. I was. Is that a? Is it an old wives' tale? That's incorrect. Is it a fallacy that coconut oil is called antifungal?

Is that a fallacy? Cuz I do, I do hear that it is topically and ingested.

It is. Yeah.

So, how does it increase your likelihood to get thrush if it's a fungal?

Because you can get BV from it, which is not a fungal infection. So it might prevent you from getting thrush. Like, baby will give you thrush, but it will multiply the bacteria of. And if that pH balance is a tiny bit off, your bacteria is going to multiply. You know, you could be a little bit more alkaline that day, and it was going to you up. Like, so you, I think realistically, any sort of water-based lube if you're really sensitive. I can't stand. Especially in the UK, we have a lot of people who fake an SDI test. It annoys me and it instills like full-on fear. I go out to America every year to go and to work.

I didn't realize how common it was until I was in one of these. Um, cuz I'm, I'm talking about USA. I'm not even talking about UK. I didn't realize how common faking your tests were until I went to the US and I start, and I got introduced to one of those US collab groups with like 350 creators in it.

And every other week, there's like a beware of this person. Like, if you look at this, like thing you sent me, the font is different on.

I just don't understand. Well, talent testing now over in the US, they do a thing where you physically have to click on it on the website to see your results. And that's what I ask of people when I go over there. Is I'll go on the website, log in, show me.

Um, and I am just, I think especially with, it's, there's such a difference though. It's like, you can work with multiple people and someone might not know that they have it and that's fine. It's like, whatever. But it's like, if you knowingly are faking your test, then we have a problem because it's like, you know, we work with so many different people. Sometimes it can just happen. Like, somebody slept with somebody who slept with someone whose boyfriend cheated on them and did slept with someone else. Like, you know, that's fine. There's no stigma behind that. That we're not angry at you for doing that. But if you go out of your way to put your co-performer in danger, you can off like, get out of the industry. It pisses me off so much because I'm like, like, you don't know somebody's background, right? They might have had some sort of trauma, um, revolving around STI. They might have, uh, low, um, chance of getting pregnant. And if you give them an STI and you, they only work maybe once a month, they're not going to know until they do their next test. And that might have stopped them from having kids. It's just one of those things that you really need to look after yourself and your body. And if you don't understand your body, you're not old enough to be in this industry. Well, faking the faking the test is definitely like pretty crazy. Like the idea that, um, you're actually like changing the dates, completely lying about like fabricating that whole thing. And and like, a lot of the tests on there are things that are really dangerous, like, like chlamydia, gonorrhea, like these things like.

I think people don't realize how dangerous, uh, some of the stuff is, especially for women. It's like Mgen.

And how common it is. Like, I think people just think, like, what are the chances?

The thing is, you never know, right? You might work with a guy and say, for example, you faked your test and his MS might be pregnant, right? And they're still actively having. What's going to happen to the MS who's then got an STI? Do you know what I mean? Because there's some medications that you can't take whilst you're pregnant. So, it's like, you need to be really, you need to look after every, like, you need to care about people as much as you care about yourself.

Which is obviously not a lot if you're faking a test. Like.

Well, exactly. And and in real life.

And I know people need money. I, I know. I know. But.

Well, in real life, people don't even realize people don't even test for MGEN. Like.

No.

So, here's the other thing is that if you're faking a test, like legitimately changing the dates, lying about your tests, then you're, you know, going and having a lot of outside of, uh, people who are getting, you don't like people who you have with aren't tested. And you're doing that unprotected. Guess what? Like, there's a good chance that you could get this thing called MGEN. And that is like, I know girls who have had MGEN and they've got like, forever scar tissue around their uterus.

It can, it can be really painful, especially cuz with women who've got.

Months to get rid of.

Yeah. Cuz it's antibiotic resistant. So with any sort of micropplasma, um, you can get. There's three different ones. So, there's like hummus, there's another one.

I'm unfamiliar.

So, these are three different bacteria. So, two of them are actually, they're transmittable, but you can also get them from soap and stuff like that. So, it's kind of like a BV or thrush sort of situation where they are technically an STI because you can get them from intercourse, but also they'll go away on their own. But it's the same thing as that makes it scary is that they don't have a cell wall. So, MGEN won't be able to, you can't get rid of MGEN because it doesn't have a cell wall. So, antibiotic resistant. So, it takes a while to break down that cell to then get rid of it. And that's why it can take like, two, three rounds of antibiotics to get rid of MGEN. Um.

Yeah, I've had like friends of mine who have been like, "Look, I just cannot get rid. I've been like, through two courses."

I know some, I know some people who've had it. I mean, I've, I never had it. And but the top tip for anyone who's not in the industry or even if you are. So, if you go to any STI clinic in the UK or here, even if you don't have symptoms, you say you have symptoms because the main symptom of MGEN is, um, burning we. So, you could be like, "Oh, yeah. I have got, like, even if you're too scared to be like, I've got symptoms of an STI, just go, oh, just letting you know that it is burning when I wee. So, I just need you to like."

That's such good advice because those white lines are unfortunately necessary because people here. I've tried to get people to get, um, MGEN tested, just cuz they want to come collab as a one-off. And guess what? They don't allow testing unless you have symptoms. It was the same thing in the UK. So, I'm like.

But then if we go to our like private, they do everything.

But in, but here, yeah, I was like, "No, I've got similar." Cuz that's automatically what I do. But if you're outside of the industry, because they'll do everything. Like, they'll do, they'll do not just MM. What's the other one that they don't usually test for? Oh, they'll do, they'll do herpes as well.

True.

Yeah. So, cuz, um, because they'll make you swab and we.

So, like, they'll do outside, inside. And then if you do have anything, like the herpes will come up, like, if you do have it.

Yeah.

Yeah. So, but then if you don't have it, they won't even include it on the test.

Yeah. Right.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, the, the regular test is like, the test that we've done for forever. Like, if you're, if you're someone of the general public, like, you won't, you'll only get tested for the bare minimum, which is, which has changed. But the Men thing is the most concerning.

It's important because obviously it can, like, especially, I mean, I've got endometriosis, which is like, it's just pain, always painful, like my tissue and my cervix is a bit odd. And like, I'm in the, I'm in the best job for this. Mgen could practically affect me for life. Like, when I said obviously, like, you know, if someone's got like, a low risk of getting pregnant, I've got that. And if I got an STI and it went untreated, let's say for example, I worked with the last person I got tested before it was transmittable. So, I was like, not that I would, but like, if I, well, didn't know how long the, the incubation window was and I got tested within the first week and it didn't come up on the test and I thought, I'm all good, don't have any symptoms. Then I le, then I, then I finish work for like 3, 4 months. I could have chlamydia for three more months. Absolutely.

Do you know what I mean? Like, there's so, and then what would happen to my body then? Like, would that then.

People don't realize just for for girls in particular, like things like chlamydia and mgen are like, we are very much the carriers. Men, I should say are the carriers. We don't really get huge side effects or effects, but women tend to get like their entire uterus starts to square, um, scar tissue up. They get immense pain. Um, and I don't know if, if you've heard of this, but in UK, allegedly, there is this new gonorrhea that is going around that is antibiotic resistant.

Yeah. So again, it's a, it's a cell wall situation. So.

Terrifying. Like, I [snorts] feel like.

Weirdly enough, I heard that it was started at Nottingham University.

True. What does that mean?

I just.

Filthy.

Yeah. But, but seriously.

But I think it was, it, but then I, I know that obviously there was a, one of my friends who's, um, from London was telling me about it that some, one of his friends got it. But I'm just like.

Was he able to get rid of it or he just.

No, he just has it for a bit, like, until they, it's again, it'll be the same thing. It'll be rounds and rounds and rounds of antibiotics. But this is just the case of people not looking after themselves.

It just annoys me. I'm like, just go get tested, bro. Like, cuz the thing is, yeah, if everybody, if you don't want to wear condoms, right? And if you don't want to do that and you just want to have just [ __ ] get tested. Like, I know obviously that's not the best advice to give.

No, I can't maturity though. I.

Cuz I know loads of people don't want to wear condoms or if you're in a relation, like, I, I had it once, right, where I was seeing someone for over a month. We used condoms the whole time. And then as soon as we, we came into a relationship, we stopped using condoms. He gave me chlamydia. I'm like, "Bro, I'm in the industry. What is wrong with you?" And then he's like, "Oh, yeah. Well, I did get a good thing to relie about that, you idiot."

Yeah. Yeah. I, I feel like it takes men in particular, it literally takes till we're close to 30 to have the same sort of emotional and like, the same responsible thinking as women.

Yeah. And unfortunately for, like, from 18 to, I'll say 27, 18 to 25, testosterone and being irresponsible and being like, caution to the wind, woo, kind of like, takes precedent. And and you really are learning this battle with the, uh, with your basically cuz when it says go as a young man with high, this explosion of testosterone, it's very hard to say no. And then I know heaps of dudes like who just, who don't wear, who haven't worn condoms in their daily life. And and I was one of those.

But this is why one of my fears is like, obviously doing that. Like, I don't really go out too often. I've only ever had like, one proper one-night stand, cuz they always come back twice.

No, joking. But, I've only ever had that maybe once because I'm too terrified of people being like, no.

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Yes. [gasps]

For those who don't know, Dread is, uh, one of the biggest men in industry, if you know what I'm saying.

Yeah. I would say, yeah, as you were just showing us, like forearm.

baby's arm holding an apple, but more like an more like an adolescent teen's arm holding an apple.

>> Yeah.

>> But yeah, so basically um you worked with him.

>> Yeah. Loveliest guy in the world.

>> Love him. So painful.

>> Yeah. Okay.

>> Cuz I was like then afterwards I think I had so much adrenaline >> that I was like fine. And then I got home, I was like like >> once once the adrenaline went, you were like, "Oh, okay. I had to have a hot bath and uh sort my life out." Then I went to the doctor and they were like, "Oh, your cervix is like ruptured, bruised."

>> Oh, is this because you already had like a little >> Yeah, I've got a tilted pelvis, so I do this. It happens all the time. And um it happened with Damon Dowski, Dread and and Girth Master where you hit the wrong thing, I start uncontrollably laughing and crying because it's like such a shock like it's it will hit the wrong bit.

>> Like send shivers like up your whole body sort of thing.

>> Yeah. And I'm like and then I just like get away from me like [laughter] triggers you.

>> Yeah. It's like I will punch you in the face. No, I'm joking. It's not like that. But do you know what I mean? It does feel like that cuz it's such a shock. So it shocks me. Sends me into shock. Oh, it happened with Kieran Lee as well. Yeah.

>> All big boys.

>> Yeah. Big boys. Big boys. Big boys. Yeah.

>> So

>> So you So what what would you say your ideal length is for your condition?

>> Oh, any size? Any size is fine, but usually um if I'm doing certain positions with guys who are on the bigger end, still feels great. I would just need to use a vibrator um just to like kind of like relax the muscle. Yeah. at any point [snorts] on top like you know when you're grinding >> when you're really getting deep when you're really hooking it in there.

>> Yeah.

>> Um, you're single, right? So you've been uh so you've been on the market for some time, you know, dating and whatnot. What is the biggest mistake you see men make when trying to ri you up? Oh.

>> Uh, one one mistake. One mistake.

>> Can I film with you >> before I ask?

>> Yeah, definitely. Um, well, you No, usually usually it's it's more the fact Oh, actually, you know what?

>> Let's Let's scratch that completely. I I think the one thing that I don't like is when guys test to see whether they can deal with somebody in the industry.

>> What do you mean?

>> So your morals, you're a guy that's not in the industry. Your morals naturally. I don't like Only Fans girls. I don't like or I like but I don't I couldn't deal with like I I couldn't have my my lady like with somebody else in any sense of the word then don't want to understand how the industry works. Don't want anything to do with it. Bury your head in the sand. Right? But you like me and the more that you like me the more that's going to bother you. So if you have any indication that you're not going to like what what your partner does, there is no way in hell. And it's the same thing.

>> We all learn those lessons hard, unfortunately.

>> Yeah. But it's one of those things where it's like you you can never bend your morals for that sort of thing. Say, for example, like we were just meeting for the first time. We've been together for about a month and I go, "Right, I don't want kids. I have no interest in having kids. Don't want them." But you're like, "I could change her mind. I really want them." For example, you can't do that. So, but that's one thing that annoys me. It's like it never feels like a waste of time to date people >> who they will they will get to know me. They will really want to try and then they will be like h >> what I think as well >> can't deal with it. Yeah. actually coming from someone who's been like, you know, through this kind of thing before, you kind of and I think it comes from a point of it being such an obscure unique scenario that you would have never had to deal with unless you were in a open the >> but then you would have never chosen to be in an open relationship in the first place.

>> Which is what I'm saying is that it's never been your morals to try and suit the person that you're with because you can never test to see if you're okay with it. Well, we know that now, >> but but at the time you're like, I mean, how hard could it be? Like, could we make this work? Like, you know, I'm pretty open-minded guy, >> but then you don't realize like you're going to be contending with a whole bunch of very primal feelings that you may or may not understand at the time.

>> Um, so I feel like it's it's this is why it's just so extremely hard for Only Fans people in general to date because you're >> you know, you've got all these things with like these guys like Yeah. 10 10 green ticks and like there's one maybe. It's not even like a no. It's like a I think I could probably deal with it and there's only one way to really find out if you made it or not.

>> Yeah. And I think like all I always say to guys I'm like yeah come come with me to set one day. you see how that is because genuinely if you're actually there and you're and you're seeing what's going on like you're like oh >> this is but I think it's the whole thing of like how like your idea of intimacy as someone's partner is totally different to how we actually view for work I don't know about you but like obviously I know you get to finish but not not like obviously I get to finish in some scenarios sometimes I don't like and that's fair enough but like it's so disconnected from what you would feel when you're with a partner. Like you're not especially as someone with ADHD as well. I'm not fully in the moment cuz I'm thinking about how I look. Like not how I look, but how this scene looks overall, what people are going to enjoy from it. You know, if it's specifically about a cut situation, I'm thinking, right, what's this person who's into like a cuck scenario? What do they want to see? I'm not thinking about, oh, like what am I going to enjoy?

>> I've said this before and I'll say it again. It's very different. like real real life intimacy verse on camera physicality is we'll just call physicality for the sake of it is

>> Of course of course there's been scenarios where I've had like real life physicality on camera of course like there's been a couple of times but obviously as a single woman I'm going to let myself go and do that

>> and there's nothing wrong with that I'm just saying like like I think what we're trying to say is overall like if we had to rate like the experience like compared to um doing it at home with someone after a for example,

>> five out of 10.

>> Just just very different.

>> Yeah, cuz it's just so physical. Like you're just like, "Okay, then we're going to do this and then we're going to do that." Oh my god, I love that. Yes, such a good idea. Yeah, come on. High five, bro. When you're done, you're like, "Yeah, sick. We did that." Like,

>> but then you watch it back as the consumer and I've cut it all together. So, you've just cut out all that behind the scenes goodness. You go, "Man, this is like the wildest, craziest." Which, you know, in parts it is, you know.

>> Yeah. And you know what? Like there's so many scenes that I have where I keep in when we like bump heads or laugh at each other or say something wrong because I'm like that's real. Like that's just what happens. Like I've had it so many times. Um I think I had a scene with a girl called Nate Velvet, right? Uh and there's a bit where she goes to get on me to do the the scissoring, right?

>> Um and we bump heads like fully clash. We just start pissing ourselves off. I'm like I'm keeping that because that's that happens in real life. like you you should be able to laugh at yourself like there's and you can still enjoy your experience.

>> Um or like [laughter and gasps]

>> where I'm like my teeth are on like you're you're going to scratch yourself if you try and push my head down any further. Like let's not do that. All right.

>> Um but but yeah, like

>> see I do like I've seen a mix on the spectrum of people what they leave in, what they leave out. I try to keep my like main video pretty much all of the action, but then I always cut a BTS reel. So, it might be like

>> 5 to 10 minutes of the high fives, the laughing, the whatever, like the the whatever happens that's funny. Like, it's in that. But then I've seen some girls who don't do any editing. They're like, "My subs prefer to just have the 47 minutes flat out. I just send it straight out." And I'm like,

>> see? Yeah. No, cuz I'm like that. I like to have the full full video, but I'll I'll include tiny bits like that, but not like on with the guys like I can't actually finish and I'm like, is it cuz I'm ugly? [laughter]

>> Um, but no, cuz that obviously happens. Happens to the best of us, you know.

>> Oh, absolutely.

>> When you're trying to like get something to happen and it just doesn't. And you're like,

>> well, this is the thing. People are like, "Oh, well, it's lucky you get to finish." And I'm like, "Well, yeah, but then it's way higher pressure that I have to finish. It's not. [laughter] So my the star of this show and for some reason it's not coming out.

>> Like I'm obviously grateful I get to have orgasms at work, but also like on the days where you're like, you know, cold, sweat, veins popping just like

>> like just trying to make it happen and it's just not happening and you have to really focus like

>> you just have to relax. Yeah.

>> I think like a lot of um girls in industry are like I wish there was more men in industry but it is actually very very difficult job. Uh, plus also I I say that like there's only like one

>> especially if you have a type as well. I think obviously because there's uh for guys that like you have to be sexually attractive and then sexually attracted to people um which obviously can happen with anyone but also there's the fact that like you know some guys they don't want to inject

>> to get hard and they don't want to take Valium Valium.

>> Viagra >> Viagra that's what I meant. Yeah.

>> Um because they

>> well, it kind of makes it really hard when everyone like if you're doing one-on-one that's fine but if you're doing like a group scene with multiple dudes and like the other dudes are injecting and you're not

>> um it can really really

>> it's all a mental thing isn't it? Cuz the thing is a lot of people do end up having like erectile dysfunction and stuff like that because they can't

>> Dude, I've had they're depressed and stuff.

>> I've had two Viagraas once and it was like I still couldn't get hard because

>> I bet you got home and you were rock on. Oh mate, I was locked up.

>> You were like, "Oh, cuz you like chill and then it's just like cuz you still need to be turned on for Viagra to work."

>> Psychological ED is what erectile dysfunction is very real and and that's something that is not affect you know where I've gone to take like they've like come back with me or I've been like dating them or whatever and then they're like, "Oh, but you're really experienced and you're with guys who are like a lot bigger than me." H and they just think about that and they can't get hard

>> and I'm like it's

>> intimidating. I'm like my love. You wouldn't be at my house if I didn't want to have with you. Okay. I think it's perfect the way it is because I always do this thing where I try and find out what it looks like before I have with them. So, it's either do you want to have a do you want to get in the shower? So, and I'm like this.

>> Oh, nice. Okay.

>> Or I'm like, "Hey, um, how about you just send me like a picture?

>> How about you send me a video with the sound on like [laughter] I'm like that." That's why I'm I'm trying to do that first cuz I'm nine times out of 10 all the guys that I've ever been with all have the same look of it's crazy.

>> What do you mean?

>> I know exactly how to use every single one. They all look the same same length, same like anyone who's outside the industry. It all looks the same.

>> So just your type. You can like

>> apparently So I apparently I can just like sniff out the right the right for me. I'm like boyfriend where is it?

>> Okay.

>> Do you know what I mean? So it's crazy.

>> And what size would it normally be

>> on average?

>> So I I was like incredibly lucky. My first boyfriend was like seven six seven ines. Same sort of thing for the rest consistently. Sometimes they've been a bit skinnier, sometimes they've been a bit thicker.

>> Girls actually tell me that like six to seven or seven by

>> that's on the bigger size

>> like but that's like perfect size. Like a lot of girls who do

>> but even four, right? Even four but but on a little bit on the thicker side. Perfect. Three. Even three on the thicker side. Perfect. I guess when you think about it, the the female G-spot internally,

>> it's like 1.5 mm into sorry millimeters.

>> Uh meters for me. [laughter]

>> Um after dread. Yeah. 1.5 m in there. You'll be able to find it.

>> Um but it is it's literally just like this.

>> Yeah.

>> You're right there. It's the bit that feels like the top of your mouth.

>> Yeah. Right.

>> Where it's like here.

>> Yeah. It's like a rib

>> and it's like ribbed. So that's that's a female G-spot. And obviously the [ __ ] has like over 10,000 nerves between000 all the way down. So you could even experience I I did this the other day. I had an orgasm with no hands and I just use the front of my underwear. But because the outside of your also has those nerves that go down,

>> um, you can use objects to orgasm even if it's not explicitly touching your

>> girls are so lucky. Dudes just get one big firework whereas girls are like times in the next 10 minutes.

>> Yeah. Literally, people love that from me. They're like, "How can you like eight times?" I'm like, "Because you're because you're hot."

>> Talented.

>> That's why cuz I'm talented. Cuz I know my own body. That's what it is. And I'm like, "Do this. do this. Please do this. And then I'm like, please don't be cuz I couldn't think of anything worse than than leaving a situation and not having an orgasm. That's where I am kind of like a man cuz I'll be like,

>> you need to finish.

>> I need to finish. Even if they're done, I'm like, hey, so I just

>> can I invite you to my little friend here? So, you just like give me a kiss and put this on my clip. Like, and then, you know, I've had so many men where I'm like, okay, this isn't going to happen for me. Cuz sometimes I don't know. Like, sometimes I just know that it's not going to happen organically. like I'm not in the moment like there's a lot going on in my head. I'm a bit stressed out. So, I know that it's not going to happen internally. So, I will like just go and grab my vi. And I've had guys be like, "No, I'll do it." No, babe. I know my body. Please.

>> Here it is. Like, please. And because you're not going to enjoy this knowing that I'm not enjoying it. Like, you're going to like this so much more if you know that I'm enjoying it. So, please just use the tools I'm giving you. This is a friend. This is not a foe. We're not We're not having an argument about this. You This is happening. And this is the thing is like I think a lot of guys see toys as competition especially outside the industry because they don't realize like that sometimes the tools that can help you experience good together or you're very selfish and you don't actually care.

>> A lot of people just a lot of dudes are very insecure especially if they cuz like a lot of dudes like like the average size in the world is like 3 in or something like that.

>> Yeah. It's like between three and four

>> which is fine. Like there is like no [sighs and gasps] there's no wrong size. There's no wrong type. There's no wrong size.

>> Um, you know, even if you have a micro, you can still use your mouth. Like, it's not the worsting thing in the world. Like, don't cry about it.

>> Um, I think it's only guys that care about having a big It's the same as like a guy with huge muscles on roids. Only guys care about that. Like, it's it's not really a female thing um for us to care too much. Obviously, some girls will have that preference. Uh, same thing with with guys. Like some guys won't like bigger girls. Some girls might like bigger. But on the like I think most people will say I only like them really big is after they've had kids.

>> Um because it opens up your cervix so you can't feel it as much if something was smaller.

>> Yeah. So

>> Yeah. Yeah. And

>> which scientifically that's why like

>> can confirm I've had a lot of like mils over the years and same love milks. You can definitely tell like um I don't know I don't know what it is like cuz let's just say for you know for numbers sake I've had 10 mils in my experience.

>> Um only about 30% of those don't feel different.

>> I don't know how to explain it without I'm not being derogatory all due to their pelvic floor.

>> Yeah. Like but they do feel like there's more room in there.

>> Like not to be rude at all like it was still great experience. It's nothing about like having a big of a but obviously especially after having a child.

>> Yeah. So it's like keal exercises and the fact that you can actually produce more hormones that make you wet. So you're a lot wetter than the average person which means that your muscles are way more relaxed which means it feels bigger. So if you notice if somebody's really really really into you like they're so wet that it's like you're like stringing it out like what the is going on full on like spider webs coming out of there even it's like

>> um but someone's really really into it but you'll naturally feel that that does not feel tight anymore because they're really into it and that's exactly how it should feel and people should not be talking about tightness because the tighter that is the more uncomfortable she is around you.

>> Um but it will be naturally a tiny bit bigger.

>> Um but obviously there there's actually you know after someone has kids clear like if they don't have like cuz obviously pregnancy and having children is one of those things that is actually very dangerous for women like still women still die from child birth every day. And the thing is is that you never know whether somebody's had that child and they went through so many complications that now their their muscles inside their don't work anymore. And like that's what can make it a little bit more roomy.

>> Um and things like that. And like you like that strenuous activity of pushing out a literal child is going to make sometimes a feel differently.

>> Is that something that can be cuz where I was going with that is is that there is definitely a certain percentage where I'm like I literally from anecdotal evidence can't tell that you've had a kid.

>> You know what I mean? Is there something that these that that 30 40% of those of the you know amount of mils that I have interacted with is there something they're doing or is it is it genetic like

>> I think it would be genetic no

>> don't know. Yeah, I think I think it would be well, and it would also be like the severity of how

>> like your child like how what happened during that pregnancy and how it affected you because you know let's say for example you had the child and they ripped the whole of the the inside like

>> oh yeah catch you later there's nothing you can do if it comes out

>> exactly and then obviously then people are going to they're going to do that kele exercise it's why a lot of people do pilates it's really good for your keigull

>> seriously I'm I'm going to tell you right now I I have a lot of and like whenever Are you kidding me? [laughter] But like, but like whenever I have these like interviews with girls, I I usually ask like, "What kind of like fitness and health stuff do you do?" And I would say nine out of 10 of the tightest coochis that I've ever been in tell me that their main exercise is Pilates.

>> They're like, "I do Pilates three times a week."

>> I do boxing and I feel like every time that I'm punching, I'm like keing. I'm like, [laughter]

>> get out there.

>> Um well, every girl I know with a um or every girl I've ever trained in the past as a personal trainer um they literally have like like doing the exercises is kind of like a kele. Like they like having to hold your pelvic floor tight while you're doing

>> cuz I I mean I'm I've got like hyper mobility as well. I don't know why that just popped into my head but we were talking about the gym and it's like something that like

>> so like Pilates and stuff like that for me.

>> Can you put your legs behind your head?

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Do it. Oh, you really can. Yeah.

>> Yeah. I've got shorts on at the moment, so that's right. Explode them off.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Beautiful. Yeah. Well, I'm hyper I'm hyper mobile as well. And it's actually People are like, "Oh, you're so lucky." I'm like, "Well, it's kind of it's kind of a hindrance when you start to get injured because of it." You know what I mean?

>> I'm always injured. That's my problem is there's always something that's wrong. Something will pop out of place. Something will like happen or whatever. This is this is why um actually for people who are hyper mobile weights slow tempo weights like bodybuilding style 4 seconds down style thing are like the recommended to to teach you control

>> teaches you control and allows you tension through the whole range.

>> I remember once I was doing um lap pull downs right but I was doing it freehand

>> just popped your shoulder out.

>> Yeah. And but it wasn't my it Yeah. It was my shoulder. So I've gone like this on my PT and then my arm goes and he was but it didn't hurt me. I started laughing. He himself. He's standing there going, "Oh my god, what's that?" And I'm like, "No, my arm just went out of place." I was like, "It's fine. It didn't even hurt." And he was like,

>> "No."

>> Yeah. It's pretty amazing. Hey, human body.

>> Human body's mad.

>> You going to tell people where they can find you?

>> Yes. Um, you can find me on all platforms, Greenbella. My Instagram is Greengirlbella UK. And I have loads of variations of that that stuff everywhere. But you'll like if you find Greenbella UK, you'll be able to find everything else.

>> Fantastic. Thank you so much for coming on. You've been great to talk to.

>> No worries.

>> Um, have a good one everyone. [laughter]

>> Bye.