The Apollo Show 68: Anna Chambers, Trippi Rose & Flight Life Mars..

Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of the Apollo Show. I'm your host, Apollo, and I'm here with Flat Life Mars, Anna Chambers, and Trippy Rose. How are we doing, everyone?

"What's up?"

"Amazing."

"Good."

"He said don't hold the mic like that."

"Gonna make static or whatever."

So, I actually walked in before and, uh, was greeted by Mars getting ridden by Anna.

"And it was great."

"Yeah, as I would say, another day at the office."

"I love seeing my bros just getting it in."

"Yeah."

"So, we've never met and we've never met. So, I'm riding him. I'm riding his..."

"I hear on the door. I'm like, 'Just look at me. Just look at me. Don't look at him.' He's like, 'That's my bro.' I was like, 'Don't look at me.'"

"That was interesting."

"Has that ever happened to you before?"

"No."

"Yes."

"No. Not like that. No."

"It's not like a..."

"Just gave each other a little virtual fist bump and then just kept moving."

"Can you look at me, Andre? Your holes now."

"Did he faster when I walked in?"

"Honestly. Honestly, did he?"

"No."

"Yeah, I know. It was I was excited to see me. I was..."

"Yeah, he wasn't excited for you. I'm sorry, babe."

"That's all right. I get it."

Man, it's hot as today. We just went out in the pool, chilled out. You sent to this sick Airbnb.

"Yeah."

"You like our Airbnb?"

"Yeah."

It's a very hot day out here in the valley and out here in Los Angeles, California. But, um, yeah, we're working hard, staying productive.

"Yeah."

So, so how long? I'm going to start from Trippy. How long have you been in the industry for?

"Since I was 18 and I'm 25."

"And doing for that seven years."

"Have you been doing just OnlyFans or?"

"No. No. First it was stripping and then I had my first sugar daddy and then Snapchat premium was a really big thing at the time."

"See how it goes."

"And then, um, OnlyFans became big when I was like 20, 21 and I made it OnlyFans but I wasn't taking it that seriously because I was 20, 21, you know, I was just like I was doing a little bit of everything in the work industry, like anything that was paying, I was doing it."

"Are you doing that like are you doing mostly OnlyFans right now?"

"You should be."

"No, I've taken it more seriously since I got my job."

"Yeah. Well, look great. So, thank you."

"What about you?"

"I've been doing OnlyFans for 8 years since they came out."

"Mainstream."

"This is my fourth year now of doing mainstream."

"Yeah. Two different worlds."

"Two different worlds."

"What do you enjoy more?"

"Well, to be honest, I enjoy off-camera more because, um..."

"So real."

"True. It's like really fake."

"Performative."

"It's, yeah. You got to, you know, put on a show and you don't really get that connection a lot with people. So, when you're like in real life and it's like, 'Oh, yeah. The kisses are good and the feels great.' It's like, 'Come here.'"

"Yeah."

"Yeah."

"Yeah. I feel that."

"I think I think everyone on this couch can attest to that. Anyone who does is like, 'Yeah, the is good, but it's not off-camera good.'"

"It's not off-camera."

"You learn to cherish, you learn to cherish those moments in like a non-cheesy kind of way. But seriously, cheesy as appreciated. Appreciate the truth. We, we're sex workers and this [ __ ] drains us."

"Yeah, totally. Totally. Totally."

"Sometimes I like to just like have off-camera to someone before we film so that there's more natural chemistry when we're actually filming, you know?"

"I agree. Yeah."

"On set, they'll let me do that. I, I haven't like I just met him for the first time and I told him straight up cuz I tell guys like if I don't want, if I don't find you attractive or I don't know how you look, I'll be like, 'I'm backed up on like boy-girl stuff. I don't need it.' But then I saw it and I'm like, 'Oh, he's hot. Okay, we can work together.'"

"Sometimes it's like an energy thing. Like I said, sometimes you just got to see people in 3D, feel their, feel them out a little bit. That's why even like it's annoying to go to like conventions or expos or that, but sometimes when you go out, you see people that's kind of like some of the benefit of the networking."

"So many people is..."

"Exactly. Like, there's if you can find a good, if you can find a good one where it's like the networking can, you know, we're still meeting people and [ __ ] that you see people like, 'Oh, okay, like I see what you want.' And then you know..."

"I don't like you, but I see what you want."

"Cuz there's a lot of that too, for sure. I just have like a certain amount of social time at those things. If I do like 3, 4 hours."

"Yeah, it's enough drain. Like I can't do four days. I think we were down at XB for four days."

"Four days of 95° heat sitting by the pool with no AC."

"Yeah, it's too much."

"No AC. There's nowhere to escape to to like cool down and they want me to meet new people."

"You're like, 'No.'"

"Yeah, I can do a day or two. But yeah."

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"How about you, Mars? How long have you been in the industry for?"

"Um, I've been Jason for about 6 years now."

"I heard about this fool when I first started."

"Jason, I've been doing my own content and shooting and [ __ ] for about 2 years now."

"When you But before that, when you say Jason, you mean like do being a photographer for stars?"

"Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I started. So I got to So I always whenever I tell people about how I got in, I have to always give a shout out to Jada Stevens. Jada Stevens is how I got in. Like she was my home girl outside of just kickin' smoke and chill and she usually just bring me around to events. The first event that she ever brought me to was Urban X 2016. Oh yeah."

"What a legend."

"And so yeah, so she was getting inducted to Hall of Fame that that year too, but I was just her cameraman and I used to just be around and just do photos and visuals. But..."

"But even before like I was, you know, I was doing music videos and weddings, birthday parties, live events."

"Finding your craft."

"I've been doing this for about 12, 13 years."

"Yeah. So..."

"Well, it shows, man. Chose."

"He just I just asked him if he had a light for the podcast. He just set up three lights. Just had these big lights in his suitcase."

"Exactly. We might as well just do it right. So, it's cool."

"I love it. I love it."

"Yeah, man. We're all making waves in the community. It's good. Good for you."

"I always tell people my thing is I'm trying to contribute to this community. Like I was obviously doing..."

"What are you trying to contribute besides using your..."

"Visually? I mean, I have the talent to do photos and edit and, you know, direct and do so do camera work stuff too in general. So..."

"He is good with the camera."

"So I like, you know, so I still am a professional at at my craft. So, I love when I'm like out and I'm at like back to the conventions and I see girls I took photos of and they got it's like their billboards up or their promo for their their cards, their stickers or something and it's a picture that I took. I'm like, 'Oh, I did love that.'"

"That's what's up."

"You know, like so being able to just do that I was already doing outside of but bringing it over into this space and then being able to really shoot specifically cuz it's like very different than, you know, any any other thing that you would be shooting. So, you know, I was able to really fit in."

"When I'm picking somebody to shoot with, there's a lot of guys where you can tell that they're just important because they want to get and the videos that they're taking look like Snapchat videos from 2010. You know what I mean? Like, it's just like the flash camera videos of them like hitting back shots. And I'm like, 'Dude, I know if I collab with you, you're going to be the type of guy that's too horny and while you're you're going to like drop the phone because it feels too good. You can't hold the phone no more. Like, I can't stand that. So, when I..."

"Does that happen often?"

"Um, yeah."

"When you're first starting, yes. But now I pick when I like pick the people to film with, I really look at their content and see like if they care about the way they're making the girls look, if they care about the way that they look."

"Side note, I had to tell her to not shoot with a few people because she's too pretty for that. Anyways, her talking."

"I don't care how you look. I care more about how you make the girls look."

"Yes, sir. Because you can be hot and take and make really bad content and make the girls."

"This is a good like debate right here like on a podcast because no it's not true cuz if I'm not for example like we just met but you already know like I [ __ ] with you but if I didn't think you're attractive and you want to shoot a boy girl with me I'm sitting there full-blown faking it. Like I'm like, 'Oh yeah, it feels so good.' No, the it doesn't, it doesn't feel good if I can't be like, 'I want to kiss you for real.' Then why are we doing this? And then half the people that we get booked with, sad to say, we don't choose, but like all right, that they won't be attractive. Sorry. But content, we can pick and choose who we want to shoot with. So it's like why would you give energy to people that you don't really would like, you wouldn't really entertain that in real world like life."

"Well, that's the I guess the advantage of doing content as opposed to pro cuz then you do get to choose and you should be picky choosy as you want to be. But I mean, but I mean also if someone's like safe to work with and they've got a huge following and they're and they do really good work but they're ugly as [ __ ] you might still work with them, you know, like because at the end of the day it's a business. We're running businesses and, um, a big part of business is having a big social network."

"It's kind of sad."

"I would just like to say that I've never worked with anybody that I thought is ugly as [ __ ]. It's just like I might have like picked them out in a bar, you know, if I was just there and it was like somebody that I was going to just like off-camera. It might not be the first person that I pick out in the room, but if they're going to make me look good on camera, their looks good on camera, they're confident on camera, they obviously have passion behind their work, then I'm going to be down to work with them. That's the most important thing that's..."

"But but I will I will put this out there. I actually..."

"I think it's disgusting."

"I actually can't think of any male creators that fit that bill. I can't think of it like off the top of my head. Anyway."

"Well, I can think of a few, but I wouldn't work with them. If I actually think you're disgusting, then I wouldn't work with you. But I'm saying like I might not pick you out out of a lineup. But if your content is better than the guy who I might pick up out of a lineup that..."

"Nowadays girls are like it's like clout over quality. I feel like like for example, you'll have like for if you have like 800k followers, the [ __ ] will be like, 'Yeah, cuz she's going to get those followers, but you look like a [ __ ] horse and you got to think of somebody. I can think of somebody. I'm not going to name no name."

"I'm not going to name your head like that. I don't care. Like I know people like that who have like 800 to a million followers and I I'm not going to work with them because yeah, they look crazy as and their content's like it's just..."

"They use a good camera but it doesn't look that good cuz they don't look that good. You know."

"Look good. My doesn't feel wetter. Hey."

"Well, a general rule, I don't know if you can attest to this, Mars, but like general rule I go by is make the girls look good and make it about the girls. So, unless you're filming a see you see him film, you know what I mean? Unless you're filming one of those, keep your moist your body out of it. Like the girl, the girl wants to the audience wants to see hot chick getting back shots with just the your going in and out."

"You know what I mean? I'm very particular on, um, yeah. I want to make that I want to make the girls look flattering. I want to follow their lead as far as what they are into specifically. That's why do and don'ts are always important before scenes doing exactly what everybody wants to do specifically and, you know, following the lead with their energy, what they like. Some girls like to get sledded out and get really hard. Some girls want some more passionate kind of just different kind of energy, different vibes."

"It's about really less about what I'm getting off and more about what they want to get off."

"Which is why you guys are here."

"Right? I mean, listen. Like I have no ego in any of this. I feel I don't feel entitled to. I know the girls run this whole industry and..."

"So true."

"And so are you excited to have you?"

"Absolutely."

"I hadn't been wanting to do that for a long time. Like that was like she didn't know. We had never met."

"No. Yeah, that was super fun. Especially when you walked in that..."

"I was like it's a knock on the door. This is a real..."

"Before I saw before I caught who it was to my left, I was like, 'I really don't give a [ __ ] who...'"

"I got to say it was quite the treat. I don't usually walk into I saw it once I saw it was my guy. I was like, 'Oh.'"

"That's my boy. I was like, 'I'm not even...'"

"That's so funny. Well, yeah, I saw those dreads. I was like, 'That's my that's my boy. My boy sling a lot of people if they know you my car.'"

"Oh, true."

"We got to start. Is that your challenge out there? That's sick, bro."

"We knew we had a lot of people coming in and out today, bro. We're gone."

"We had the Uber Eats coming. We had..."

"The gate needed to stay open."

"It still does."

"Mhm."

"We'll close it tonight."

"More."

"Anyways, yeah."

"So, what's your So, what's your what would you say your thing is, Trippy?"

"I think that someone asked me this recently. My neighbor asked me like what my specialty is and and I thought about it for a second and I was like, I think dirty talk. Like I'm really, really good at dirty talk. You can give me any scenario and I can talk through the whole scene. I will talk this random now. Hold up. I'm your dad."

"Okay."

"Oh yeah. But you can do anyone. N you don't do role play. Not so..."

"Why do you have to make it weird? Make it step."

"Yeah. No, I don't step like a like a roommate or..."

"Yeah. Something."

"Okay. Your boyfriend, your boyfriend isn't home and I want to [ __ ] out of you. What's happening? Like, you look really hot."

"Hi, babe."

"You know that my boyfriend wouldn't be cool with..."

"I don't give a [ __ ]."

"But he doesn't have to know."

"We can."

"Yeah. Put that on my do."

"Baby, if you cream inside of me, will you eat it out so my boyfriend doesn't know?"

"Will you pay for the plan B?"

"Yeah, obviously. I'll do anything to ride your while when my boyfriend isn't home."

"What a good and a wallet. Why? A..."

"A+."

"I'll go buy the plan B first, babe. Don't worry about it. I'll take it before we..."

"She's a keeper. She's a keeper."

"What about you? What's your thing?"

"What's my thing? Honestly, I'm really like disgusting. I am just nasty and freaky. Like..."

"She's mean. That's her thing. I am mean. Okay. So, people get..."

"Okay. Okay. I'm like I guess a lot of people. Yeah. People get like intimidated by me and they're like, 'You look like a I guess I look like a [ __ ].' But like I'm nice. If you're nice, if you're..."

"You deserve it. That's what it is."

"So, Brooklyn, what is it? Okay. If I don't like you, I don't like you. It it is what it is."

"If you don't like someone, they'll know."

"You're the in this industry know that if I don't like you, I don't like you. Same for men. You guys are too. So if I don't like you, I don't like you."

"Me and her are both Scorpios. We cannot tell a lie. Physically cannot tell a lie. I will always be brutally honest. Like I just feel like sometimes..."

"Shoulder. I love."

"I feel like some people just need to hear the truth, you know, like..."

"Nobody can handle it. So you have to have like a female that'll really tell you like, 'Hey, you look like this and you're just not cut out.'"

"Communication saying it's just got you got I think we all do. You just got to be real. I'm sorry. Like, you don't fit the criteria. You don't need to tell her that she's ugly."

"We would need to be political. We have to be political in this whole business."

"I can tell by ugly, but..."

"Cuz there's a lot of girls cuz there are plenty of girls that reach out to me that I'm that I'm not necessarily like I don't necessarily want to work with, but I try to I don't necessarily I don't not support what they're on, but I just maybe don't want to work with them."

"Totally. So..."

"Maybe just like ignore."

"Hey, I get left on red all the time. Exactly. At that point, at that at that point, honestly, seriously, like not everybody's going to be for everybody. So, I just appreciate the people who are for me and [ __ ] with me. And that's cool."

"I got no feelings about I got no hard feelings about anybody that doesn't want to work with me or whatever. Like, that's cool. Like..."

"Exactly. Just move on."

"Maybe you haven't met me yet. Maybe you just haven't. You know what I'm saying?"

"You feel some type of it."

"That's all I got to say."

"That's a classic attitude. And you think that you like me. That's even weirder. Like people that hit me up and say they have a crush on me and they've never met me. They just have a crush on me."

"Crush on you. You're so hot. I saw her on the internet."

"They think that I'm hot. But if you actually have a crush on me and you've never even heard like the tone of my voice in real life. Now, that's definitely part of a deeper like..."

"Like cuz we have the world like the fantasy, the character that we put out and then like..."

"I've had stars reach out to me and say that they have a crush on me and I like..."

"I'm like, 'No, you don't. You don't know me at all.' Like, you know the version of you know me when I'm ovulating."

"I think that's the version of who they're who they're speaking of like the character that you're putting out like..."

"I love whatever the horny version of you is."

"I want to like get to know you."

"Which is, you know..."

"Or when they do then they don't like you know."

"Like we have feelings. Oh my gosh. No way. They're not spots."

"Yeah. True. It happens a lot."

"True. Yeah. I think I think like everyone just expects us to be exactly how we are on Twitter."

"All the time."

"Instagram versus Twitter."

"Yeah, that's right. That's right."

"What's your..."

"In real life, Twitter online."

"Yeah. Twitter sometimes in real life, but yeah."

"Uh, Twitter I try to avoid. I have anger problems and people's nowadays it's like drama, drama, drama, drama. I'm like, 'I got to get this.'"

"I read Twitter my Twitter feed like it's the like the Monday paper. I'm like, 'What's going down today?'"

"So, he's getting drama because it never involves me."

"I, I mean, I guess, but at the same time..."

"I just I just don't care enough. Like, I'm I'm not here to try and make you think differently than you think. That's your problem. I'm a grown woman. I know that I got my together. I'm going to hang out with people that got their together. If you're crashing out on Twitter, it's not my problem. But I am gonna laugh at you."

"Yeah."

"Gonna be my entertainment for the day."

"Yeah. Know I mean cuz social media, I mean, it's your it's your brand too. Like crashing out looks bad. People see that they don't want to work with you. They think you're toxic and..."

"All right. Well, here we go. The toxic sometimes like..."

"I mean, no, sometimes you got to get your off. Please say sometimes you people don't handle it well."

"Oh yeah. No, listen. Don't get me wrong. I feel you. Sometimes you got to pop it off. You got you got to let people know what it is. But again, there's like sometimes..."

"I am the type of girl that..."

"Yeah. But not but not everything is I feel like sometimes it's worth putting energy into."

"I don't think it's worth it at all. I think unless unless some Yeah. No, it's never worth it."

"I will literally just stop talking to you completely before I crash out on somebody. I don't care."

"At least at least publicly like maybe like privately like a text or DM if you got to get..."

"One text, like one paragraph explaining how I feel and that is it. I'm not going to keep going back and forth with people. I just don't care."

"What is wrong with me then? Like I'll like I'll do that too. Like I'll send you a text if it's like personal. But if I have an actual like you tweet something I feel some type of way. I'm going to comment on it cuz I know other people won't. I'll be that person to do it."

"I love the energy."

"Sometimes it's most of the time it's not. Most of the time it's better to be logical. I don't let my emotions get to me."

"It just literally drains me whenever I've been in any kind of weirdness online. I'm like, 'This is like saying something was never worth it.'"

"I would rather just stay the out of it. Even like even like you where you're just like, 'This is pissing me off. I'm just going to start popping off.' Like..."

"No, don't do that. That's the opposite. Twitter fingers be you don't pop off on Twitter. Like I'll DM you and I'll be like, 'Hey, you want to come talk?' And then you'll send me your number and it's like, 'Come to my house. Let's have a talk in person.' And then it goes from there. It just goes from there. We'll just leave."

"You're terrifying."

"I'm not really nice. Purr."

So, what's your favorite promotion platforms, guys? Let's start with Mars.

"Twitter. It's so funny. We don't Nobody even calls it X. How lame."

"Yeah, exactly."

"It's Twitter forever."

"I'll probably say Twitter. I mean, just cuz that drives the most traffic for me to the places where money is coming at cuz we can post, we can really get our like..."

"Like our clips off. Yeah."

"Yeah, we can get our our clips and our promotional links and [ __ ] off there."

"Do you use Reddit?"

"Uh, I don't actually."

"Okay."

"Me neither. I It's so confusing."

"I'm not I'm not I'm not a..."

"You got to post like every like hour and like 13 minutes if you post something. Yeah. I used to post on this page and be like, 'You can only post in 1 hour and 6 minutes.' And I'm like..."

"'Yeah, there's like formulas and ways of tackling these.' I [ __ ] studies, but..."

"I don't do any of that."

"Just didn't click for me. You are Are you Are you on Reddit?"

"I use Reddit a lot. Like, and that's actually where I get most of my subs there and Twitter."

"I know some people who get most of their I know some people who get most of their subs from Reddit."

"I actually got cuz you have to get verified for all the subreddits. I I have a an assistant and I literally said to her one day, 'The next 5 hours of your shift is just verifying me on these 20 things.'"

"So she would just come in and be like, 'Hold this piece of paper. I saw..."

"And this fork and take three different positional photos."

"And that's what I would do. So I mean that is like..."

"The way I did it cuz my ADHD didn't allow me to to effectively um do all the verifications."

"Yeah. Yeah."

"Yeah. But that's what like that's what put me off for ages. So I think that's what puts everyone else off."

"And that's why..."

"Because I don't like to do that and consistent. Okay. Yeah."

"Yeah. Yeah. Good. Good."

"Well, you're good at it. So good job."

"You found something you loved. We all We all going to do what we love."

"Yes."

"We're all actually doing what we love. Right."

"Right. Definitely. I was born when I was like 14 and I've always known I wanted to do..."

"So many people are like, 'What are you going to do after?' I'm like, 'More like what the.' And then..."

"Exactly. And on top of that like if I can build my name up enough, you know like if I get that a million followers point people will put my name on their brand just to have my name on their brand, you know like I don't even have to do anything except for just like sign off on other people using my 100%."

"And I can just use that brand like I can build myself as a brand and use that forever. And also all the making now I can sell for the rest of my life, you know?"

"That's the beautiful part about now like the what this new era of who can do who could potentially do. I mean outside of the people who are weird or like they don't really they don't really got it. It's like if you are able to really like, you know, you have the opportunity to really have your own platform. You can distribute. You don't have to have a middleman. You don't need management necessarily or to do pro scenes like that. That's good for promotion. Yes."

"You know, browsers, bang bros or whatever the different, you know, the different sites to that to get your name out there. But if you have your platforms and you can find your fans and you tackle all the different sites, whether it be Twitter, TikTok, Instagram, wherever the and you can promote yourself and find your audience and and that's your money that's coming in, your subscribers and your viewers. I mean, you don't even need the rest of that."

"Your only person you're splitting it with is OnlyFans. 20%. That's it."

"If you don't need proceeds, then you don't need them. Straight up."

"It's just straight up promo like..."

"It's promotional. That's in my opinion. And I mean I know everybody I didn't even know."

"I know that even I know that there are pro girls and pro, you know, scene girl contract girls whatever..."

"Get paid enough."

"Exactly. No, that part too because people eventually need to come back and do that's just kind of the way that it is now. It's like not even about what they want. It's like the companies need creators more than they need that them like the girls that have those those big followers. They need those girls to come and shoot like kind of..."

"And that's annoying. And they're always reusing talent."

"Kind of about a site that we were speaking on earlier who they go back to the same girls and the same they don't really expand and it's the same if that's why..."

"University they all look the same. So they have like a very safe bubble where they feel like they can operate in. And I mean at, you know, at at what point? Yeah, exactly. But at what point does that either maybe burn out, get boring, like..."

"Well, my question is when it comes to promotion cuz a lot of the like sites, um, like rises for example, tell me if I'm wrong, they they don't mention the male talent."

"They don't. Another conversation."

"So, I wonder if it's good promotion for males. If I if I was to do Vixen, for example, and they were like, 'Anna Chambers gets dpded by by two big dudes.'"

"I mean, in general, I I would say it it doesn't hurt to if you do it, you know, like..."

"To be honest though, like I mean, in the terms of like pretend I posted a video with like both of you guys and I didn't tag you guys and I have this big following, it's up."

"Oh, yeah. Absolutely."

"It's the same. Absolutely. That's..."

"The same thing when Vixen if for example they shot me with both of you and I'm like, 'You, I'm tagged twoing big the dicks...'"

"On. Yeah, for sure. The tag definitely matters. But it's like even like..."

"Even having that on your resume to help self even to self-promote and I mean, you know..."

"But the companies don't care and that's the truth."

"But but yeah, that's yeah, that's for sure."

"Sorry, guys."

"It is what it is. I'm just I was just curious cuz I know girls get a lot of traction from and I get a lot of traction. Well, I'm getting a lot of traction on just started on there. Man, it's same. It's tough but it's it's a it's a grind. It's worth it if you can get all..."

"If you can get through the qualification process then you're sweet thing. It's a whole thing. It's a full-time thing. Just..."

"I got a girl to do it while she was with me and it still rejected it."

"Oh yeah. I had Oh yeah. They were like, 'Yeah, the signature didn't match. That was on the girls.'"

"They make me do paperwork for before a scene. I'm like, 'My is just like cobwebbing. Like we just starting cuz this is just a major.' Yeah, it's a whole thing. Total buzz kill."

"Nine pages of a consent to this."

"Yeah."

"Yeah, the consent forms do."

"They do."

"They do."

"I haven't started posting on yet, but I do plan on starting soon."

"I filled out some of the forms for other people. I just don't have an account."

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"You ready? Here's my question."

"Go on."

"How do you feel about the girls? Like when you guys This is for everybody besides me. When you do boy, girl, girl, how do you feel about the girls that act like they're bisexual, but they're really not? Like pretend you're shooting with two girls and it's just like you have them together and you're thinking, 'Yeah.' And it's like..."

"Okay, so I feel like..."

"Okay."

"And it's time."

"Yeah, let them let the..."

"Okay. Well, I feel like this conversation is definitely a lot more controversial amongst girls cuz the guys are still, you know, we're like, 'This is awesome.'"

"Like, so I mean, if we're if the scene is still in a good flow, but but but if you but if say the girls if you can feel that you're not getting that connection with her, like I'm sure that could definitely be a bu a super buzz kill. But I I..."

"But then again, that will extend for that affects everybody. So yeah. So I guess yeah, it's not..."

"I'm all about I'm all about producing something amazing."

"And and when the and when the girl when one of the girls is obviously not enjoying herself and you can see it on her face, you can see it in her body language. I just think to myself, 'I wonder if the audience can see that.'"

"So for me, it's not even a matter of, 'Oh, I wish this was a hotter scene. I wish there was more connection.' It's for me I'm like, 'The audience is going to see she's grimacing when she's like getting licked by this other chick.'"

"So we need to figure that out. You need to be a better actor or not do these style scenes if you can't if you're not into it because it definitely translates to..."

"A poorer energy through the screen for sure."

"It's worse though for us the when a guy's not into it because when your starts going soft then they're definitely going to be able to tell."

"The soft."

"Yeah. Please."

"Because a lot of people don't know what actually goes on in the industry. Should we like spoil it for them?"

"You can go."

"Oh, the..."

"I'll be the one. Yeah, because like people think..."

"You can because I don't actually do it. So, if you want to talk, I'm an outsider in this."

"Here comes a public shout out to all the guys and I love how the microphones face me. Yeah. To all the mainstream guys who do not use a needle or Viagra or Seialis to shoot, swallow, make cards, bro. There's like 2% left of you guys. Every single guy in pretty much like down to..."

"I worked with like a really top uh performer male talent today. He's like older. He literally told me for like the 20th anniversary that just happened. It was like 10 girls, 10 guys. It was two guys that didn't shoot. Eight of the guys shot up and they're huge male talents, mind you. Like if we think about..."

"What shooting up is really quick that people are probably really confused right now."

"For people that don't know. So shooting up your is what some of the male talent do especially in mainstream and it's basically a shot that goes directly into your like you shoot up but sometimes you get forced into we have to put that part in cuz agencies like willing force you to alleged will force you to start using the needle cuz if you can't if for example I get booked for and I can't get my card, I don't have a but if I can't get my card, I'll never get booked for them again unless I use the needle. And they'll tell you, 'Yo, we'll pay you extra if you shoot your up, which is really up cuz it like ruins men's.'"

"Okay, wait, but let me They still don't know what we're talking about."

"When you shoot your up, you do it directly into the shaft. It's a I am shot technically intramuscular. And what it does is you have this blood flow, this vein that goes, half of it goes to your [ __ ] and half of it goes to your dick. And as you know getting hard is when all your blood flows to your So what it does is it turns off that veins flow to your hole and then all the blood flows to your and that's why it makes your so unnatural hard. What do you mean like a like a rock?"

"Like a smack my face and it sounds like it hurts. It's it doesn't even feel good. It's it's like a dildo if a dildo was made of rocks."

"It's terrible. But anyway, so that's what happens. And I have talked to medical professionals that will attest to the fact that if you do it just one time, you will have erectile dysfunction for the rest of your life."

"Biois, I understand the need for it. Especially if a man is trying to shoot multiple scenes a day, I get it. But if you have to use it every time you do a scene, it's just not worth having a heart attack over."

"Yep. Do you think it's like do you think it's like steroids in sport where where like..."

"Where you have a for example and you know that you don't really use the injection much at all or ever but you know there's going to be three other dudes they're going to have a pipein rock hard cuz they've shut up and you're going to be there in between takes stroking your 3/4 half hard while they're just like, 'Bro, you ready? You ready? We're good to go.' And you're like, 'Yeah.'"

"I should have."

"I mean, I understand the use of Viagra for that, but I don't really think there's ever a time to shoot up."

"You will never be on a set without shooting up. The director let it happen."

"Not me."

"There you go. So, I was actually I was actually staying with a, um, buddy of mine hates shooting up, but he was like, 'I will admit every time I do, I'm a [ __ ] god.'"

"Like, it makes my like I don't have to think about my getting hard or soft or whatever. I just know it is going to be hard. It's going to be hard when he does it, but it's never going to be that hard ever again in his life. Is..."

"Yeah. I I think I had posted about this on social media halfway joking. But on a serious note, like I definitely there's like levels I guess to like, you know, what you're willing to do and this and I'm just not willing to play that game. Like whatever level I am and where I'm at and what is comfortable with me and what I do and my own content and [ __ ] like..."

"I'm good. Yeah."

"I don't I don't strive to want to be the star who shoots for Dixon, Brazil, all these big sites that has to do all that because yeah, I just don't want I just don't..."

"I don't want to do and shoot for all these big companies and have to clean my out for the way I see my girls clean their foreseen. It's so [ __ ] sad. And it's like we'll, we'll drink the night before, 6:00 a.m. they're up. Their call times 12 cleaning, shoving enemas in their hole. The sounds it's disgusting. The most violating feeling in the world. Disgusting. You can't eat. What the are you doing? So I'm just drinking a bunch of juice. You're going to my ass and I'm going to eat a burger."

"No, it's not going to happen for the rate that they pay. You..."

"What's a, um, what's a like an worth if they were to pay you? So, like, we shouldn't discuss prices, but it's not even it's not even like two grand."

"Okay. Right."

"Which is really pathetic cuz half of us in the industry see clients an hour rate can be $2,000. So, you're not paying me for 9 hours on set of getting in my [ __ ] when I don't even enjoy it."

"Those kind of things. I think your firsts, especially firsts that you are not interested in doing, but you're doing for the money. I think like if you were to do a first, OnlyFans is the way to do it. Then then you can sell it forever."

"That is the that is the real benefit of, um, having an OnlyFans because you own the rights to your videos and if you do a first or whatever the it is..."

"And you can go hard with the promotion."

"Once you start shooting something that like you don't really want to, I in particular don't want to do an version, but once you start shooting it..."

"People want them all."

"They Yeah, they want to start booking you and then your fans are just like, 'I want to see your.' And it's like, 'Stop bullying me like I don't like it.'"

"And the other thing about like if I was to shoot my first scene mainstream, we all know with mainstream like they tell you you're allowed to say no, you're allowed to tap out, but if you do, you're never going to get booked again."

"Yes, bro. But people don't want to expose that."

"And that's the truth. You're never going to get booked again. So, it's like you can tap out, but if you do tap out, you're literally throwing your career away is how it feels, especially as a woman. That's how it feels."

"That's why I said earlier like women like there's a power dynamic that I feel like the shift with women. It's unfortunate that there's a certain couple of companies that still hold that level of power to hold the leverage of your company o of your of your career over you if you if if something natural happens on set or say you can't perform or whatever. And I think that's very up in the big picture of things. And I feel like that's why..."

"Some of the some of the some of those maybe old school producers or people who kind of run with that, it's kind of like almost damn near like politics where it's like once you're up out of there, there's a new there's a new wave of upcoming producers and young cats and directors and talent and people who are eventually going to push that [ __ ] out. That's why like I support somebody like like the homie Ricky who's got all his [ __ ] with the Ricky's room [ __ ] and like he's like a new wave of like a dope website and a new directors and producers and talent that old school like the old wave of all that [ __ ]..."

"Your casting couch and like the girls getting exploited thing though that's what do you mean..."

"So there's this agency that I won't name because everyone knows who it is and it's like the top agency and if you're one of those girls you have to..."

I feel like you already named the agency earlier. I said one name before, but this isn't it.

Um, if you're, if you're signed with these like brands, you got to do this, that, the third. And you kind of have to look more vanilla than like this. Like, you can't have like tattoos. You got to do it.

I feel like there's also like, um, maybe I'm mistaken, but is there like a casting couch kink? Like, like people like to see the girls on the casting couch?

Like, like people like to see the girls on the casting couch? The former CNC for sure. Yeah.

Yeah. Like facial abuse, the guy who wears a mask and [ __ ] you out on the couch. There's specific.

I feel like there's a thing like, I feel like if people like to watch the girl do the little interview.

Oh, yeah. But, but I mean, when I say costly catch, I mean girls who didn't know it was a comey. Like, like I'm talking about old, old Hollywood, like you were talking about.

How do you get sleazy?

That's the story line, girly pop. That's not the girly pop.

But I mean, hang on, hang on. I actually did an interview with a girl from Australia who has a story of her going, answering an ad for nude modeling and it turned into a shoot where she was like, down for it once they explained what it was. But she thought it was, she thought it was nude modeling. That's what a lot of people. That's.

She was 18 and they, and they got her to sign this like big contract and it's still out there. Was on with like 10 million views.

Someone sent it to her family. Like, that happens.

That's so scary.

But you're right. It is a story line, but that actually happens for real.

It really does. Yeah, there's a lot.

Yeah. I mean, definitely you got to definitely vet people and see if they're legit. Ask for references, you know?

A lot of my craziest videos, people like don't believe that it really happened. And it like, it's real. Like the story line behind it is real. Like that really happened. Give us a real. Give us one of these real scenarios that seems like a lie.

Um, okay. So, I have this video of me. I, when I do like public flashing or exhibitionism type, I try and be very ethical about it. I try and be ethical about it. So, I go to like 21 and over venues, like a casino is usually a good one. So, one of my big public fashion videos is me at a casino wearing a skirt with no panties on and like bending over and there's these guys behind the camera. You don't see them, but you hear them being like, "Oh my god." Like, "Holy so pink." Those were random dudes. I was really drunk. I was.

Being crazy. You know what I mean? Like, you would see that video and think that I just had like some guy friends with me that like any star would watch that video and think that it was staged. Yeah.

No, that was real.

So, who was filming?

My home girl who I went to the casino. It was just me and her that went.

So, they were standing behind your home girl when she was filming. Correct.

Yeah. When she was filming me cuz I was drunk as I like didn't care who was there. And that same night, we also have a video of both of us like flashing in the Uber. And it was really an Uber. I just like I asked him beforehand. I was like, "Hey, do you mind if we take a quick video back here for our Only Fans?" He was like, "Go for it."

He was like, "Oh, I don't know."

Our stuff got like really.

Two hot chicks want to show that door. So, it's just like, you just have to ask for consent. And then there was another time I was at a 7-Eleven and it was like 2:00 a.m. and there was nobody in there. So, I went and asked the guy working. I just went and asked him for consent. I was like, "Hey, do you mind if we pull our out out back and like take a flashing video in the back of your store for Only Fans?" And he said, "Yeah, I don't care."

Dude, in the store where I can see it.

Where we were, we were in the store. I meant like in the back of the store.

All right. Gotcha.

Yeah. But like, yeah. We were just like, "Can we just ask consent?" and it was like somewhere and you would see that and think that like maybe one of our friends was working or it was staged or nobody knew.

But it's like, some of those videos are actually real and I just ask people for consent and.

The thing is, deny.

Dudes love and they love.

So, I'd be very surprised if.

That's why it's so easy like to actually make those videos for real.

If I walked into a bar and just said to a chick flat out, "Do you mind if I get my out in here?" She'd be like, "Please leave me. I'm calling the cops." That's not true. If you're going to scrub your arm, like just be like, "Let me see that." If it's big enough, then go to that bathroom. I like big size.

I'll just go.

What's up?

No, but for real, like, if I see a hot guy and I'm like, if he's shy to approach me, I will always approach the guy cuz I just get what I want. So, I'll come up to the guy. Yeah, kind of. The New York doesn't.

What's the kind of ratio? What, what's the kind of ratio of um like hot dudes to big?

Seven.

That's such a good number.

Such a. 70% is pretty good.

I don't play games.

I told everyone I.

Do you have a way to scan for big energy?

Do I have a scan? If you come in your aura, don't come in here swinging around being quiet energy. No. Come in here. If you're one of those like, like so nonchalant, like sit in the corner guys, your is five inches or less, like I already know it.

They come in and they're like, "Oh babe, like pretty girls, like I just want to get to." They don't have a tripod. We start. I starting and I look up and I'm like, "Are you recording this?" And there's just one camera angle. You man, get out. You don't. You're not shooting. Get the out. Size here though.

Oh my godity.

I like big. So if you don't have a big, get out. We shouldn't even talk.

Shouldn't even talk to me.

So, so do you think dudes with big have have a better level of confidence? You can just tell on the way they walk, they talk.

Yeah. Big energy.

So, so that's real.

It's, it's a thing. But like, listen, I'm not saying that guys with bigger better.

I just like big. Like I don't want a skinny side of me. Like I want a thick big. Do you agree?

I agree. But I don't think that guys with bigger dicks have more confidence at all. I've definitely met guys with smaller that have the confidence. Like they have the big dick energy and like they're more fun to hang out with versus like, there are some guys out there with big dicks that have no confidence and are just like, they just to hang out with. You know what I mean?

I got a friend of mine from back home who has an 11 inch and he said he didn't know he had a big till he was 17. And I'm like, you have an 11 inch, like how do you, how do you not know your packet?

He's putting up sports and he was never in the locker room.

Apparently not. Nope.

He's an artsy guy. He would have been, he would have been doing like art.

Oh, yeah.

When I was in high school, I took.

Painting.

When I was in high school, I took this Polish guy's virginity and he had like a 9 inch.

Got a pole on him.

His looked like my pink dildo over there.

So stupid. Got a bowl.

It was big. Like he had a big and I took his virginity when he was a junior because he was so insecure. He hadn't had sex before.

What age did you lose your virginity?

16.

What about you?

13.

Well, that's.

Sorry, mom. Dad, love you.

17. And the senior year.

15. So, you know what's funny?

I'm the worst. No.

But seriously, like I, I find there's two camps when it comes to stars and losing their virginity. A lot of people who are stars now lost their virginity like 17, 18, 19. And I'm like, how can you be this horny and still lose it that late? Like.

It's not horny. It's perverse.

Us the people in that's such aing like thing. Here I go again.

Half of us that get booked with each other, we're not really into each other. It's more of like a perverse lust fake and like people will ask to your fans to that watch porn like, "How do you feel about like the scenes that you shoot? Like, do you encourage it?" Like, "Dude, no fake ambitious sit."

What about your collabs at like private collabs? You know?

My collabs, my fans know I'm not collabing with anyone if I don't have a connection with you. I'm not going to you.

So, that's, that's why Mars and I don't do probe because it's like, if it is a, a lot more work because you're around other people. It's not an organic natural experience. But I would say content creation, I don't know how you do it, but the way I do it, it's feels like it is not, it feels more intimate.

How do you do it? Do you just slide into a girl's DMs? Cuz I'll just be like, "Hey, I think you're hot. Like, we make really good content. Let's shoot."

Basically. But I, I skip the, "I think you're hot."

I skip the, "You're hot too."

Yeah. I just say like, "Hey, my name's this. I'm from here. Currently in LA. We love to work with you." Is usually like, "Hey, I would treat your so good."

That's, that's some good right there.

You know what? I think girls approaching dudes, you can say whatever the you want.

I had a girl hit me one time. She said, "I want to do things to you."

She was hot. I was like, "Wow, I feel like the same way that you feel about like, sometimes even if you're not attracted to each other, you're still perverted and lustful." That's how I feel about like doing collabs with people that even though they might not be somebody I would pick up out of a bar, I'd like for free, you know, or for no reason, I still like being a.

Even there's energy exchange, like even again, back to kind of combination of two things. Back to the maybe if you don't, if somebody isn't necessarily the most attractive or whatever the [ __ ] are.

But like, but if, but if somebody is like perverse and horny and can shoot well and like y'all kind of bounce off that, you can get some super hot.

Horny that will translate onto the screen. Feel that energy that you were talking about.

But it's also like fake. Like, why shoot the.

But that's part of the profession too. It's, it's like, I'm only like, say, even content scenes, I, if even though I'm shooting my own content, it's I'm not, it's not coming from the place of like, just a hookup thing. It's also like, I want that energy and that connection, but I want to shoot it professionally. So, I'm going to, I'm going to like the out of y'all want to just.

I'm going to and I'm open to creative collaborations. Like today, I didn't plan on doing a free use when I woke up today, but we ended up doing a free use. It was fun. It was my first free use. Afraid.

Let's finish this fast and we're definitely going to get into cuz I was open to the creative collaboration of it and I'm serious about taking what we're doing professionally serious. So, I'm like, cool. And then there's a place where it's like, I'm going to open up to the camera. Like I'm big on, I want.

Open something up.

Like I want, like I want, I want the light to show the go in the big thing and I'm like, and I'm like, a, I'm still a consumer. So.

I'm coming from the place of like a guy that if I was a guy who would want to buy this, is this going to look good?

So, that's the, that's the seriousness of it, you know? I think.

My jams between you hunks.

Yeah. Why? Why.

Is it getting hot in here?

Hunks are like pushing me around. All right.

So, I think, I think to your point, Ali, I think you, uh, tell me if I'm wrong, it sounds like you're speaking a lot from being on pro set cuz it does. Like, I would be faking it if I, I hate being watched. So if I had like bunch of people around.

Standing over a lot of stuff, a literal dude hugging me with a camera for.

I used to have to do that when I first started.

Like that kind of stuff, I, I can see I'd be fake cuz for me, it would be impossible for me not to fake it if I had a 50-year-old dude with an SLR breathing in my ear with his beard brushing my face. Yeah. So like.

Whispering to whispering. When I think of like the that I do, which is in an intimate setting, in in a house with someone who I find really attractive cuz that's why I messaged him in the first place.

You know, like it's so much different. I thought.

Well, you got, you gave me two contradicting. Like, it's a good balance question. Okay. If you're setting up content, like we're, like, "Yeah, let's do this together." Of course, we're both like willing and we want to each other, but mainstream, you said like, you'd think it's mostly about that. No. Like, what, what was the question again? So I guess I can answer it properly.

Yeah. Cuz you keep going to like, it's fake what we do on on camera, which which there is an element of um making it look good for the camera that maybe.

It is fake for part of it. I think it's just.

I would never in my life turn my hips out to. It's just literally what you do to show the insertion.

But I'm enjoying the.

But if we turn the camera off, I'm going to enjoy it more.

Exactly.

You got the director yelling at you.

There's also things that you guys can't see. You can't see what I'm doing with my tongue on the tip of your while I'ming it on camera. Like, I wish that y'all had a camera inside my mouth so you could see what I'm really going. There's so much more like feeling that you can't see the camera.

I've seen a video like that where she got like a inside of her mouth.

Okay. So, like, there's like a kink where like, you get and it's like a doctor's room and they do like this. I think it's a sonogram where they put that jelly ultrasound.

Ultrasound. So, yeah. I haven't had. They show you the going.

Yeah. They show the going in. It's so.

I want to do that. Oh my god. I'm going to get on my neck. I have so many doctors that I'm cool with for my endometriosis.

Doctors will probably try to me as screws.

They're so old.

No, I have this whole office of all female doctors that me.

My doctor.

That's a great idea.

It is.

That's a great idea. I'm going to find someone who can do an ultrasound at back.

Who can do. Who can do it first?

That's sick. So, free use. Tell me about it. Tell the audience what it.

Okay. So, free use is basically when you'll have a females, two females just chilling, doing nothing like us. We'll be sitting on our phones talking and then the male.

Or you could be solo too.

Yeah, you can be solo. I'll be doing my work or texting on my phone and the guy just comes into the scene, starts using you straight up. He should a sex doll.

So, he'll shove his in your mouth. You're not giving any attention to it. You're still texting and then you're.

So, you pretend like it's not happening and you're like, "That's not." You try not. Yeah. You try to not even like react. Like our for you scene today started with us just hanging out on the couch having a normal conversation and normal. That was the normal conversation to our best ability having a normal conversation while Mars came in and was Facebooking us while we were talking to each other.

Yeah.

And then I went like ordering off Instacart and.

As as one does. As one does.

Yeah. And then we moved over to the foosball table and we played a game of foosball, which I won, by the way.

She really wouldn't have won if my eyes didn't close for like 10 seconds cuz I was beating has a nice. It was definitely hard to play.

I was like me. He got me it.

She didn't really want to win anyway.

It's okay. I got the comment. So I think I'm the real one. This is not Instagram. Oh, well, this isn't going on all of Instagram. It's good on YouTube.

Good.

YouTube's good.

Yeah. That dude posted the video of his waxing on YouTube or not or he used like the nare on his YouTube. Y'all don't know about that.

Okay, I'm online. [Music]

All my brain rot homies get it. But dude, this guy, he, he's like, it's educational, which is why it was able to stay on YouTube. Like, this video is might still be on YouTube. Thing.

And what he did was he showed how to narrow your. And it starts with him. This is how the video starts. He's like, "Hey guys, I'm going to show you how to narrow your cut." Next scene him opening to the camera, balls, gu hair, everything to the camera, just full, bro. I mean, but it's like cold. Yes. And then he showed how to nar and it's educational for young gay men.

See, I would have made it that like that my.

That is on YouTube. It might still be on YouTube. I'm not sure. I don't check on it all. Like, if I were to search that one time.

I'm probably just going to send you nothing but that on like gore and horror movies. I don't want to see a horror movie fan. I love horror gore. Gore. There's the Russian for you. I like the gore. I like to snuff is like.

Hardcore murder.

Well, you want to kill me.

No.

Do it. Don't do it. Don't do it.

Do it.

Trademark. Trippy Rose.

Patent pending.

Patent pending.

Don't. Don't play with me. I'll come for you.

Is that real?

Anyway.

A Saw movie.

So, it's like imagine this. The key is inside your. And you have to get a whole fizz. No, this is just not you. But just imagine this is just an idea, okay? Of like one of it would be challenges, sexual challenges to save your life. The same way that Saw is like a challenge to save your life. So you have to get a whole fist up your to get the key out. You have to.

Has like a dread. You have to squirt enough to like melt something that like the key comes out. You know what I mean?

Starting from, bro, [ __ ] I'm stop logistics right now. This is just the idea of an I movie.

I really do like horror.

But like because I feel like people do horror wrong a lot of the times where it gets boring. I think that that could be like, you have the comedic relief, you know? I still have like the anxiety of like, are they going to complete the challenge in time, you know, up in time.

Yeah, exactly. Like I think it has all the good elements of like a real cinematic masterpiece and a masterpiece. Like I really think.

You should do that.

I, I want to. It would be a big budget and I would need a lot of people there, but I definitely want to make that a thing. Maybe for my 500k.

I'll be there.

Next month.

I'll be there.

500K on Twitter. Shows more than me. Wow.

Love that.

Wow.

What's been your um, what's, what's grown you? What, what's grown you the most for that?

Oh, really?

Yes.

It's theing retweet group. Stop.

I thought.

You're a hater because you don't do them. If you did them, you wouldn't be a hater.

I thought they were um, I thought they would would get you banned. A lot of girls.

Not since Elon Musk took over. No, not since Elon Musk took over Twitter. Not at all. Nobody's gotten their account shut down for that since Elon Mus took over. And also like, if your fans are retweeting your that's awesome. They have 20 followers. Other contenters retweeting your I got with a million followers, 900k followers retweeting my every day and it creates so many more mutuals. Like, it's really like a big networking group. Like we're all networking with each other. It's not as organic as like Bang Bros posting a video of me getting in my [ __ ] and I'm like.

Yes, I have 420K followers.

Take my. I have. I'm making like five times as much money as I was in January when I first started engagement groups.

I started engagement groups in January. I have 50K. I have 420K now.

What?

So you've, you've grown about what, 3, what's that? 380, 380,000 in.

In 6 months.

Wow. That's a matter of factor. But, but are you not doing any different content?

Oh, no. My content's definitely gotten better. I mean, like, cuz I got my in January. So that's when I actually started making content for real because before my job, I just like hated the way that all my videos look and I wouldn't really post them. But like, ever since my job, like I've actually been like traveling, making content that I'm taking seriously. My content's definitely gotten a lot better. Like, there's other people in the engagement groups that aren't growing nearly as fast as me because I'm putting in the work for real. Like, it's not just the groups. I'm not just posting like some [ __ ] booty pick with a bunch of filters on it thinking that I'm going to, you know, like, I'm putting quality content out there and I'm using the engagement groups and I'm growing mutuals and.

It's the 5 to 10 second clips where it's like banger clips. That's that's where it's at for Twitter. Hey.

Yeah. Like that clip I just posted recently that did really good of me like squirting on the camera. It was just that little clip.

Do you know what I'm talking about?

I'd probably like.

There's one of you like riding riding from behind in like a hamstring stretch.

And I'm just I was just like.

Delicious.

Yeah. Here we go. All right, everyone.

Here we go, guys. And action.

Do it.

Let's see it. What's going to happen here?

This couch is going to flip over.

Yeah.

That's like a pile driver.

That's perfect. Big flexible. What does it say on your? It says toy. That's so hot.

It says to her inner thighs.

That's so good.

Yeah. You guys are going to Vegas tomorrow. Is that right?

Yeah. In Vegas. She's coming home with me. I decided.

Yeah. She's kidnapping me. I changed my flight and everything. Scorpio. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Great.

We love love bombing. One thing about Scorpio, we'll love bomb you for two year, two months. I mean, not two years. We'll love bomb you for 2 months and then never speak to you guys.

Never hear you again.

I'll be like, "Oh my god, I want to cuddle and like, oh my god, you're so amazing. Get the out of my house right now, bro. Get out."

Once we get the ick, it's over.

Yeah, the ick is so. Girls, give us your top. What, what gives you an ick from a dude?

I think that the biggest ick I can get as a true submissive. You know what I mean? Like, I'm a true sub.

But as a sub, I'm very dominant in my everyday life, you know? Like I.

You're so in control. You like to be out of control in that in that aspect.

I'm so like, I have to be in control because I just like don't trust anybody and every time I try and put my trust into somebody, something goes.

Yeah.

So I'm in like, I'm just such a dominant person in my life. The ultimate egg for me is somebody who can't, who I can't put my trust into, you know, who like cannot be the dominant person in my life. If you prove to me that you can't be the dominant person in my life, I can't get wet for you anymore. Like, I can't give you over.

Yeah. I mean, like on some homie, like if you're just like somebody that I'm collabing with, that's one thing. But I'm just like talking about like on a real relationship level, you know?

Once the trust is gone, that's it.

Once the. Yeah. Like I want to be able to turn my brain off and be like, just princess for the day. Little submissive. Like, that is the only thing that's going to really make me be able to commit to somebody in like a relationship type way, which does not happen often because I can't trust nobody. These mothers are stupid.

We are stupid. I'm going to give you that.

Just talking. I mean, I'm, I'm pansexual, so I'm talking about all genders, not just men. Everybody's stupid.

Okay, that's, that's a nice change.

Thanks for that. What about you? What, what's your biggest aches?

This is so weird. This is so, so weird. Okay, this is a real life ick. I'm sorry, guys. So, if I get close to a guy or something, if we're more than say something stupid.

I'm not. This is a real. This is a real life ick. I don't like when a guy or a girl ex-girlfriends feel comfortable to just walk into my house and open my refrigerator and look through it and just like grab something. I don't know what the is wrong with me.

But every time a guy has like extremely valid.

Really? Cuz I feel so strange every time I've had.

You sound like a terrible host.

Yeah. You sound like a piece of. But like, if you come over for the first time, don't come over and open my fridge and be like.

"Oh, first time this and raspberries." Like.

Sorry, you didn't say first time. I thought it was. I thought this was like a friend of yours, you know.

No, I'm saying like, it's our first or second time hooking up. We're not that close.

I went over to her house tomorrow the first time.

All right, she can do that. We already called him, but I don't care. I threw up with you. But like, if a guy comes over and he's just like, "Yeah, I got this muscular body and a big. I'm going to open your fridge."

Happen to you.

Like every time. Every time. Like the guy is like.

Hungry. There's a lot of hungry.

Can I get some water? And they just go right in your fridge. Like he asks and he decor. I would do that. I would walk into somebody's house. Hey, what's up? Can I get some water?

No. I feel so weird. I'm like, dude, I don't want to go in your fridge. Like I don't.

Well, it depends. If I'm like walking out of the bedroom, just the out of you and I'm like, "Where's the water? Have you got any cold water in the fridge?" I will.

You just come in my house and like my dogs jump up on you and you're like, "Go away." And then you go in my refrigerator.

Who doesn't love dogs? I'm judging. Imagine judging you if you don't have dogs.

I get an ache from the opposite, like somebody who is scared to ask for or take what they need. You know, like somebody in my house for 5 hours and hasn't asked for water the whole time. And I'm like, "Hey, do you want water?" And they're like, "Thank God. Thank God. Yes, please." And I'm like, "Dude, why don't you just say something?" You know, like I can't. I hate the other extreme, like people that are like so sensitive and afraid to like ask for what they need, you know?

You like, like more of a dominant personality in general. Like you're really icked out by like anyone who shares like a submissive kind of intimidated mindset.

No, for anybody who's like too intimidated of me. For sure. Because I get that a lot. Like people that are so intimidated.

Yeah.

Everyone. She's not. She's not intimidating in real life. Don't be scared. She's cool. Unless she creepy, then. Yes, she is creepy.

Yeah, that's true. That's true.

Yeah.

But like, I'm very psychologically aware. So, I'm pretty good at making people feel comfortable if you'll just come and talk to me. But most people are too scared to even get to that point to come and talk to me. It's just like, it's the black hair, it's the tattoos, and it's the confidence. Like, like, it intimidates people, which I understand.

But like, there's a lot of times where I'm intimidated of somebody, but I'm still going to do and say what I need to do. And like, people that are too scared to like take care of themselves to like ask for water, ask for food. Oh my god, that shit's so annoying.

You're going to just stay there forever.

So, yours is just.

Oh my god. One of my favorite sayings is if you're always, if you're afraid to step outside of your comfort zone, it's never going to get bigger.

Go bigger.

Your comfort zone is going to stay the same. If you're afraid to step outside of it. And also, if you don't get nervous, if you don't get anxious, you're not having fun.

If you don't get nervous beforehand, you're not going to have that much fun.

Or, or if you don't get nervous beforehand, you're not, you're not shooting high enough.

Right? Like in general.

Because the only things that you truly deeply get nervous and anxious about is things that you don't know what's going to happen next, you know, like when you're experiencing something new, something where you really can't predict what how it's going to turn out because you've never done it before. That's what causes true anxiety and then that's also what creates a bigger comfort zone for you. That's.

Creates true growth, you would say.

Yeah, exactly. Grows you as a person.

Growth.

Yeah. Cheers to growth. Do you guys do any. So what do you do to. So I use social media a lot as as do we all and that's designed to chip away at your mental health, your selfworth. It's very up and down with the shadow banning, whatever.

How do you guys manage your mental health through the ups and downs of what we do?

I just truly believe that nobody has my best interest at mine the way that I have my best interest at mine. You know, like, as long as I care and love myself, then at the end of the day, no matter what somebody does or says or tries to make me feel isn't going to affect me in a way that's going to change my life, you know, or like change my thought pattern, as long as I truly care for myself because I know that I have my best interest at mine. Doesn't matter if somebody thinks that I'm being bogus because I know deep down inside that I'm not. That I'm doing it because I have my own best interest in mind and their best interest in mind.

But what about when you have like, so for example, there's been times when I have my accounts shadowbanned. Nothing's going right. I'm getting my Only Fans audited and I feel like the world's crashing down on me. When I have that happen to me, I go to the gym hard and I, you know.

Meditate. Oh.

Mate. To be honest, like getting that like physical energy out does settle my mind, but not everyone's the same. I ask everyone this question because like, like, do you do therapy? Do you do uh like meditation, yoga, pilates? Do you exercise? Do you drink, party? I don't know.

I'm a musician.

Oh, yeah. Cool.

So, and I.

Yeah. Like I'll go to festivals. I'll spin fire hula hoops. I'll perform. It's like I feel like I have a whole another side of me, you know? So, if like things were crashing down on like my career, I can still go to my personal life, my personal friends.

What music do you play? Do you play like an instrument?

Uh, no. I'm a singer and I sing with jam bands like Grateful Dead cover bands, Fish cover bands. My brother is in Berkeley for guitar and I usually just sing with him, you know, do harmonies.

Harmonies sound awesome with somebody that you're related to. Do they?

Okay. All right. Cuz you have the same kind of voice. You have the same same style of voice, right?

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And like everybody in my family is a musician. Every single person in my family is in a band.

Wow.

Okay. That'sing cool. That's That's really cool.

Everyone in my family's toxic.

How about you, M? What do you do to manage your mental health?

Movies. Movies. Television shows. I'm actually I'm a super big nerd. I'm so I'm super into all the movies. I'm like aing movie encyclopedia. I used to I'm old enough to where I used to work at Blockbuster Video.

Yes.

So like that's kind of my background. So I like to go to the movies, like I go to the movies do all the time. That's like my bag. And I'm I'm very um introverted and can move by myself. I do things by myself all the time. So I'm very much like a.

Roll up a joint and go to the beach kind of guy. I just chill. I'll take my laptops to the beach and just do some editing. Maybe do some reading, listen to some music. You know, music is I'm very much intertwined with like people who follow me on social media. Like I had a whole existence before I got as Mars the video director, like people see a vision by Mars, that's my, that's been my tag for the last decade and people when I first started doing um, it was actually Kiss of Sins. She was the one who was like.

I love.

She was like, "You should bring over." She was like, "You should go by Mars." Like she was like, "I, I had like other ideas of maybe what I wanted to go by, but she was like, Mars is solid."

Yep.

So likeing awesome. I love.

So yeah. So I so I definitely um come from that background of like people follow my social media, they see I do a lot of music videoesque kind of promo and.

So I like to, I'm and I'm an editor. I'm an editor. So, I like to, I'm always doing creative to keep myself moving forward and that's how I mentally just stay focused. Like, I'm always so busy with doing like, I don't.

Guys sound so like good like mentally compared to me.

I'm like.

I mean, I've been doing what I'm doing professionally for a while and I'm like so hyperfocused and building my brand, my name is I'm in just in a blessed fortunate position to where people have gravitated towards my brand, my name, um, my reputation and respect has translated over into this industry. People have embraced me and I've been able to just.

And and I've been able to just stay focused and locked in and it's been um, I'm super, I'm super.

I'm super glad that I'm able to stay so, you know, majorly focused on on work and [ __ ] that I've been able to, you know, maintain and not.

Burn out or have too much stress. Anyway, I'm very happy with where my life and career has shifted to. Like, I'm, I have no shame in the fact that is my full-time life.

Like, I come from again, the very professional. Like the last gig that I was doing before I got into was I had a group of buddies of mine out here in LA who we had a production crew. I was the head videographer and we were shooting political ad campaigns for Mary Karen Bass.

Right. That's the.

Very different pace.

Yeah, that's the very different. So, if you go look at all the political ads in 2022, I used to be the guy that was in the background as the cameraman. But um, funny enough, I actually some somebody had a had a personal thing against me and they outed us to our political handlers and said that I uh shoot solicit prostitution.

Oh man.

Was the email. That was the email.

Prostitution is crazy. Like they really just threw that like they.

So.

They discovered an encyclopedia that day.

But they, but did that get you fired?

Yeah. So me being me and another production crew, they, I became nuclear. So they had to remove me and that was essentially the push that was like.

The tipping point for me to do this. Here we go.

Yeah. And and back to Jay to Steven, she was the one who first was like, you know, you should. Cuz other girls around her when she was bringing me around were like, "Does Mar shoot like, what's up with what's his deal?" And she was like, "Well, no, but I'll mention it to him." And I had no designs on even being on the jump. Like, I, I was never somebody that wanted to find a way to get in. It literally like found all the right circumstances of me, you know.

My first gig that I did, I was a a BTS photographer for Abigail Mack doing an arcade scene, reality kings. That was the first scene that I did professionally. So, you know, I'm so sorry.

Yeah, dude.

So, yeah, that's kind of that's kind of like my quick like origin story. That's so good because like, so, so you really haven't had to find too many things to bring you out of any like mental slumps along the way cuz you feel like you've kicked goals the entire way to.

Yeah. I mean, I've just been moving forward with my whole brand and everything that I've been.

Every time I look on Twitter for years. Um.

Yeah, it's just been working out, you know, good, you know, and I, I just happened to be able to get translated all over into the space, but it was a while where I was feeling like an outsider and then now I'm starting to really now feel like I'm on the other side of the red tape. So good, man. So good. Congratulations.

Okay. I have a question for you.

For me?

What's your biggest culture shock when you visit LA? Not just America, cuz LA is like its own country, dude. Like, this is not like the rest of America.

Biggest culture shock. I mean, your homeless are something else. So, for example.

Crackheads. There's a difference between the homeless and the.

Whatever, whatever drugs they're on. It's different to Australia cuz we have we have crazy homeless people. But you guys have crazy homeless people that are screaming at the top of their lungs. What's, what's crocodile?

Croc is like a. It's like a mix of like ketamine and meth, basically. Associative.

Yeah. These guys are like walking like zombies and then they'll like skits out every step.

I say yes. Downtown is wrong.

It's terrifying. I'm from Chicago and I would just like to say it is the most gay cup city ever. Like, y'all think it's so.

It's cold as.

It is the most beautiful, clean, safe city. When I come out to LA, not right now. I don't know what you're talking about. The weather right there is perfect right now. It's like 85. It's beautiful. Yeah, it is. And it's only cold for like a few months. It only snowed three times last winter. Like, it really doesn't get that cold.

I mean, that cold.

That's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying though, that it's like so gay capped is that like everybody thinks that Chicago's like dangerous and cold and like all, dude, I don't mean you guys have beaches and people are thinking, but like, keep thinking it. Don't come to Chicago cuz everybody, it's perfect. It is the most beautiful city. We have the best.

Do you have heaps of homeless? So, is it, is LA like special for that? It's not. Chicago is not a place that people want to be homeless. Like, it gets too cold in the weather's too extreme to be homeless in Chicago. So it's really, it's nothing like any other city. A lot of the homeless people out here are like, uh.

Actors and people. It's a whole different thing. And there's different. You got your Hollywood homeless people, your downtown homeless people, your Venice Beach homeless people. That's a whole different mole. People living in the tunnels underground. I mean, we have homeless people, but it is nothing. I mean, it is, you're not getting bombarded by them the same way.

So for me, that was the biggest culture shock for me. I was like, this is like serious stuff. And me and Rocket Powers went for a walk at like 1:00 a.m. in the morning. He was saying, well, he was like.

Yeah, what the.

I'm from Atlanta. So.

I messaged him and I was like.

I messaged him and I was like, "Let's smoke a joint. I got I got a few here. Let's go." And he's like, "Yeah, let's go for a little walk." And I'm like, "Okay." I assumed he was like, he knew the play, like knew what was up. And we're just walking around. I'm like, "You sure we we should be walking?" He's like, "Ah, we got this, man."

We got this.

And I was like, "I'm going to get stabbed."

The homeless people are soed up. They're like seeing through you. They don't even see you.

The problem is it's like right wrong time, right place sort of thing. Or wrong wrong time, wrong place. Some dude out.

Exactly.

Yeah. You can't do that. Don't tell. That's the rule. That's the [ __ ] they don't show you in the the commercials and and the promo and [ __ ].

That's why I'm moving to Vegas and not LA. I love Chicago. I love you, but you, you guys aren't really the place for me.

My plan though is to go to Vegas and get big enough that I can bring back to Chicago.

Yeah.

Then we can then we can in the car.

Yeah.

Oh my god.

Great. So, how did you hear your American accent?

Mine?

Yeah.

You coffee?

Not some coffee.

I'm I'm kind of spacing out an American accent.

Okay. Well, let's give him something to say, stupid.

I'm not saying that someone will clip it and be like.

"Bacon, egg, and cheese." Say, "I want a bacon, egg, and cheese."

I want a bacon, egg, and cheese.

Chopped cheese.

I want a chopped cheese in the car. Oh, I got better than everybody here. What's happening?

You got a clue. You want to slap a grilled cheese on that package?

So good. Oh my god. Fat flake with it.

The what?

The frat flake.

What's the fat flake?

Do you know what frats are?

Yeah. Like like um high school like the.

College like fat boys.

Boys, right? So they all listen to house music and when they dance to.

The house music they do the fret flake. "We all..." "You've never seen me do that." "Exactly."

"So, but you were doing the perfect frat voice. Your American accent was very fratty. So, I just kind of do the frat flake with it."

"You know, I feel like that's like the like what dudes do when they're talking into a chick's ear at a party. They're like, 'kind of like lay my so hard.' Do you know what I mean? 'Hey girl, you come home with me right now. Why you got...' 'Your man doesn't need to know you...' 'and has got some serious game.' 'Come on with me.'"

"Oh my god. So sorry guys. You must be uh like, is that is that how you approach man? You're just like, 'Look, I think you're hot. Let's go.'"

"I say whatever the I want."

"Okay. I'm a guy that you want to. What would you say?"

"Do you have a big..."

"Yes."

"All right. Let's go."

"Let's go."

"I would actually go. Just so everyone knows I would go fast with it. I met someone at a race but like I'm way smoother than that. I'll make eye contact with you until you're like, 'What's up?'"

"Do that. And then I'll be like, 'Hey, I would definitely prefer the initiative. I like the initiative.' I'm not much of a..."

"I mean, I will walk up to somebody if I'm drunk enough for sure. Like, I'll walk up to you and be like, 'Hey, you're hot.'"

"But usually my go-to is I'll just walk up to you with my phone open."

"Here you go. Please do that to me."

"I'm straight to it. You're hot. Is your big..." "If if they're like hesitant, I'll just be like, 'Okay, bye.' But like most guys, most guys will really be like, 'One second,' and they'll go in their gallery and pull up a picture and they'll be like, and I'm like, 'Oh, they'll take my number then and then yeah.'"

"I love that you do a like a you're like, 'You must...' It's like a ride at like the show grounds like, 'You must be this height to ride this ride. You must be this long to me this long.' I'm sorry guys, I'm a size queen. It is what it is."

"You guys want to know how much she's eaten in the past 2 days? Literally nothing except burger."

"Good calories."

"I'm a serious appetite, guys."

"Like, maybe it's just so small. Yeah, you literally don't eat anything except..."

"There's got to be some good nutrients in there, right?"

"No. Yeah. Tastes amazing. Unless you don't drink water and you're a disgusting herb."

"Disgusting. Get out. No. Drink a lot of water. And maybe..."

"Can you can you taste in there if they smoke cigarettes? Like like is there are there are there certain things that you're like, 'Don't eat it because it makes you taste rank?'"

"I don't know. Maybe it's onions but like something in the..."

"There certain like distinct taste and..."

"The same way that squirt comes from the same like organ as pee..."

"Is the same thing as comes from your urethra. You know what I mean? It's like the same way that like you would be considerate of like what your pee smells like. Like things that make your pee smell or look weird is are the same things that are going to make your smell or taste weird. Like asparagus and B2. Yeah. Yeah."

"Stay hydrated with their water."

"Like there's stuff that's good for it and then there's stuff that's bad for it. But like if it affects your piss, it's going to affect your That's rule of..."

"Thumb. Gotcha."

"Yeah."

"Ew, that rhymed. Ew, that Ronald McDonald over here."

"All right. Sweet. So, you drink a lot of That's your main..."

"Is that your Is that your main food source? Got it."

"I love it. I mean, yeah. Why not?"

"I love it."

"I love it. Why not?"

"I mean, look, you see my skin? This is all from facials."

"You actually slept with this uh older lady from the pub."

"She was she was a mil at that time. I was like 19 working at this pub in my hometown. And she would like picked me up at the end of the night, went home, her and then..."

"Gold machine."

"She was like 42 maybe."

"Goldfish."

"What's the thumb down for?"

"If a 42-year-old man upy old girl that double standards are crazy."

"Agreed. I could never do that."

"I could never. As a 25-year-old woman, I would not 19-year-old men, you know? So, I can't even imagine being 42 and wanting to put..."

"But like I'm 25 and if it's like..."

"What if it's a really hot 19-year-old? Like, real, what if it looks like you than my little brother? I can't go for it."

"I don't have a little brother, man."

"This is my free pass."

"Look, look that I think when it's a dude chicking a dude, it's like everyone's like, 'Nice cougar rides.' Whereas when it's like a chick, a dude, like an older man, a young girl like..."

"Insane because women are..."

"Way more manipulative. Way more. That's their superpower."

"Psychologically."

"You know. Yeah, exactly. So..."

"Like we have a woman is taking advantage of a younger man, that man is in love with her."

"I'll be honest with you. I'll be..."

"Even that teenage hormone."

"Hold on. Hold on. As someone who was there, I can assure you I wasn't in love with her. I definitely just wanted to. But but but I see what you mean."

"I mean, I've had personal situations in my life, like I broke up with my ex-girlfriend because one of her close friends was taking advantage of a teenage boy and he was clearly in love with her. She probably took his virginity allegedly. I don't know for sure."

"What's wrong with like corrupting like a teenage boy? Like I would say things wrong with it."

"How old was he? Was he was he 19?"

"For months?"

"He was 19 at least. In my opinion, he was 17. I never saw his ID. Which is why in my opinion..."

"I never he claimed he claimed he was 19, but I said, 'Let me see your ID.' And he said, 'I don't have an ID.'"

"What 19-year-old doesn't have an ID?"

"I No. No. He had a car. He's a white boy in the suburbs. He has a ID. Don't play with me. Anyway..."

"So in my mind, he was 17, you know."

"Yeah. Anyways..."

"He's under she's not."

"But she the way she took advantage of him was insane because like she wasing him. He was staying at her house most of the time. He was doing all the heavy lifting for her. He was doing her dishes. He was doing laundry. She was..."

"Yes. Exactly. He was and she was taking advantage of him and she would invite other dudes over and them while he was doing her dirty work."

"Okay. Well, hang on. Hang on. Well, this..."

"Not defend her."

"That that sounds like a particularly toxic situation. It..."

"Most of the time it is. You know what I mean? Like there's those few situations where it's not, but you should just assume it's toxic because as the younger person, you're not going to [ __ ] know."

"It's not like he doesn't think it's toxic. He thinks that he's getting from some escort who's older, who knows how to who took his virginity. He probably doesn't even realize how deeply down bad he is for her."

"And the fact that he's literally doing her dishes while she's upstairs another dude."

"That's messed up."

"Just praying for the fact that like later in the night she doesn't have another dude to come over so she him cuz that's literally what he was there for. He was her backup."

"That's messed up."

"This go a child. She could do this with a grown man that's her own age. She doesn't need to do it with a child, but it's easier to do it with a child."

"Agreed."

"And she's taking advantage of him."

"That's definitely high-end manipulation story. 100% sure."

"And that is what Grim's misogynist. That's why there's these Andrew Tate kids is because of like that because now he's going to hate because he looks at her, she's like, 'She's an escort. She destroyed my self-confidence as a teenager. She was [ __ ] other dudes in front of me while I was doing her dirty work, making me her, making me look stupid. Like, he's going to look back on this [ __ ] and regret it. And that is going to him up for the rest of his life."

"A lot of therapy that guy will need. A lot of therapy."

"Which is why I'm just I'm not down with the age gap. Like, at least as especially if you're a teenager. If you're in your 20s, that's another thing. But if you're a teenager, absolutely not. I don't care if you're a guy a younger girl, a woman [ __ ] a younger man. It's not okay. Legality and morality are different to me. You're not an adult till you're 21. I don't care."

"I think that uh that situation you just you just played out there is so crazy."

"Don't get me wrong. It's different important. That's a job, you know, like..."

"No, but that really is like..."

"But like in a relationship type of thing like where somebody's doing something for you. Well, that in particular sounded like she was kind of just play playing him big time the entire time role. It sounds like you know what you signed up for."

"She was trying to groom him into a cook. Yeah."

"Although he was willingly as a child..."

"Because he was a child. He doesn't know any better and he's going to find out and then he's going to hate women. And that's literally why these Andrew Tate guys exist is because like that I mean I it's not because of women. It's not women's fault."

"Absolutely not women's fault. I take that back. But there are situations like that where women are causing men to be misogynist by being manipulative, self-centered."

"Can happen. Absolutely."

"And same thing with men to women, you know, like the gender doesn't matter."

"There's a lot of um yeah, a lot of hardcore manipulation that goes on in like those big age gap relationships. Like there's plenty of dudes that you know you we all know the 25-year-old who was dating like like when you're in high school there's like a you're like year 11 of your friends who's like 17 is dating this dude who's 25 like what."

"When I was I don't think I like maybe two people that were underage but like most of the time when I was a teenager I was only grown men."

"Adult men and that's the reason why I'm so passionate about it cuz you're like I know exactly that being manipulated like I thought y'all were so cool for having a bag of weed in a cart."

"Right. Right."

"No, we're 23 and I was sneaking into your mom's basement."

"Bro, you don't even need like a your own crib. You have a staircase. We could just smoke sit in a staircase. What the is wrong with us?"

"That was cool, right?"

"Literally, cuz I was like, 'Oh my god, he can pick me up in his car and smoke me up on a blunt one.'"

"Princess beer."

"So embarrassing. That's why I feel so passionately about it. I mean, every it's reasonable."

"Don't get groomed. Be smart. Okay."

"Yeah, for real."

"Nobody is mature for their age. That I hate that. If you say somebody's matured for their age, I want to punch you in the face because if they're mature now, they're going to be more mature when they're 22 and then they're not going to want to with you anymore. You immature."

"True that. True that. You You actually really ask yourself when you when you think of those scenarios, you're like, 'What 23-year-old would even want to hang out with a 17-year-old?'"

"You know what I mean? You know what I mean? like what the you have in common that have a 17-year-old mindset, you know, which is why it's so crazy to me when somebody who is 23 is like, 'Oh, well, they're just so mature for their age.' I'm like, 'If you think they're mature now, then when they're 23, they're going to be way more mature than you and they're not going to with you anymore.' No,"

"Because there's something deeply deeply wrong with you. If you think that a 17-year-old is mature, [ __ ]"

"Oh, yeah. That's different. That's different. The underage stuff. Get get me out of here."

"100%. So this this this older lady used to uh get my after I'd finish and rub it on her face for youthful purposes."

"I told you cuz it makes her skin nice."

"Like literally she's she used to use..."

"She she used to use me for her like skin care."

"She's a witch."

"Totally. Totally."

"She wanted you splattering and something deeply wrong with her."

"Oh yeah, absolutely."

"My face is..."

"Deeply deeply."

"I'm deeply."

"Get help lady. Get help."

"Help. Help. Send help."

"Help."

"That's so scary. Just for youthful purposes. Like you're lucky she didn't start harvesting your blood."

"I mean, I'm sure she was looking like tr She was asking me like what blood type I was and if like if I needed an extra kidney. I'm kidding."

"I'm just kidding."

"So Mars. Yes, sir."

"What else, man? What do you got planned? What does the future look like for you? Are you going to get into pro eventually or are you quite happy in your lane as a content creator solely or what are you going to what are you up to?"

"Your is ridiculous."

"Yeah. Jesus is crazy."

"I'm I'm very good with uh building up my platforms and my expanding my network right now, finding my audience and my fan base. Like I I got there was a long time again there was a a period where I wasn't even confident that I could even do real with you. like just the the old the old version of who was a star. Again, not that I even strive to be that, but who was in or had access to doing wasn't somebody that looked like me. So..."

"I hear that."

"So, so now that I have like a way of having again my own platform and ways to shoot my own and my own I can distribute."

"But also, you have your own look. When I think of you saying like anime character, I have I have a very I have a very distinguished look, brand, something that I can run with and it's just worked. Like I never like like before and even and again I mean even like the like the old version of like tattoos you can never do if you had tattoos. I was like that was like I mean that's a whole thing in in itself."

"Do they make you make up your..."

"Let's talk about this for real. So, like when I started, I didn't have like any of this like stuff going on and I had like barely these. So, it was it was a little different, but my agent, my first agent told me, he's like, 'The more tattoos you get, the less bookings you get because they like girls that look like they're 15.' And that's very nice. And again, that goes back to me saying about those like that hierarchy of dudes who were like in control like the the power people who this is what we like, so this is what we're going to book and this is what we assume and this is who we're going to market to. But who doesn't want to see a hot title? This happens in all avenues of sex work, not just because I have a friend who is an illegal immigrant, so the only job she can hold down is one as an escort with an escort agency cuz she's too scared to do it on her own because she doesn't want to get arrested and deployed and deported. She's a a escort and her boss is constantly telling her to lose weight. He wants her to cover all of her tattoos in the photos and it's just like it's insane. like she's so skinny and he keeps telling her to lose more weight and I I had to tell her one day like she wanted to start doing Only Fans and she was like, 'Well, I just think I need to lose 10 lbs before I start doing Only Fans.' And I was like, 'Hey, not everybody's a pedophile out there.'"

"Yeah. Like it's about finding your audience. Like there's an audience that you can find that like you for you. As long as you're comfortable in who you are and what you look in the mirror and see and your personal goals is what it should I personally feel like it you should be striving."

"There's an audience for everyone."

"Yeah. Like I don't..."

"You don't got to take 13in dicks in your..."

"Yeah, that's right."

"Thanks to content creation, thanks to Only Fans, we've noticed that the majority of the audience prefers women that look like women. They like big, they like fat ass, they like birthing hips, they like breathable women, which is what your natural instincts are supposed to. If you don't like that, there's something wrong with you. No offense. No offense, but if you like girls that look like kids, there's something wrong with you. You know, like naturally, instinctually, you're supposed to like women that look like they could successfully carry a child."

"A big that is what you're naturally, instinctually supposed to be attracted to as a human. And that's what I had to really sit down and explain to her. I'm like, just because this old white man running your agency wants girls that look like children doesn't mean that the majority of the population likes..."

"Opinion coming from a a couple of people like that's..."

"Not as common as like the industry tries to make it think make you think it is like and that's what I'm so grateful for."

"I think some of that Yeah. I think some of that is it still exists but I think there's a place where it it's we don't need that and you can..."

"Exist in mainstream but mainream is there..."

"In mainstream it exists because they're still holding on to that old those old ideals."

"But in real content creation in the only fans field I the most successful girls are the thick like look at Miss Be Nasty you know what I mean like Miss Be Nasty is a grown woman and she lets people know she's a grown ass woman. She's one of the most successful creators out there, you know, like way more successful than Riley Reed who looks like a child even in her 30s, you know, like it's..."

"Yeah, there's an audience again, whether you look like a gravious grown woman or you got tattoos and there's an audience for people who like the girls who are look a little maybe grown but like no tattoos or whatever, but there's a place for all that. I think for everybody."

"Yeah. I think I think trying like the way that they used to try to eliminate every girl that had some level of tattoos was crazy cuz that..."

"Was crazy cuz I mean like I always thought chicks with tattoos were hot and I was like I don't understand my tattoos..."

"Like who doesn't think it's hot? Yeah, those old school producers. Yeah, those old school producers that..."

"New is like that [ __ ] that [ __ ] is dead."

"Allegedly."

"Allegedly new won't treat me because I have too many tattoos and I have fake titties."

"Well, I've heard that companies will like skin color like like foundation your entire body sort of thing."

"I never foundation my tattoos out. I have had companies like uh Vixen, Purge City, even though I don't do two holes, they have said that they would like try to put like..."

"I think weird tattoos and I'm I'm not doing I just think it's weird."

"There must be it doesn't like I don't understand how it could taint your website or whatever. It's just..."

"A lot of men I guess in the world don't like to see girls with tattoos. They think it's disgusting."

"I don't understand companies that don't want diversity. How could you not want diversity? Everybody likes something different. You can't just like have the same type of person on all your shoots."

"Just to play devil's advocate though, as a business owner and a social media runner, I I do look at what works like, 'Oh, that went viral. Oh, that went viral. I'll do more of that. I'll do more of that.'"

"So, this girl's going to boom, and she's going to go viral, you know?"

"No. Well, my my point is maybe they're also looking at the the what like when they put out a tattoo thing, they're like, 'Oh, it gets 40% less views every single...'"

"Which could be valid, but I think it's just a I think it's I think it's narrow-sighted. If again it's valid, but but even in living in that world, it's very narrow-sighted."

"It's just not especially if you don't even give a chance effort into it. Yeah, exactly. Like if it's your first time posting a tattoo girl on a site that's doesn't post on any Tattoo Girls, obviously you're going to have to do better marketing and get it out there that you're posting Tattoo Girl to bring in that client."

"You got to build your brand because your fans want to like see girls like that."

"Which is why I think I just feel like the best plan of action is always going to be diversity because then you have something for everybody and you're not just bringing in one type of clientele."

"Agreed. Agreed."

"But I mean, yeah, that's just me. I just don't I just don't get down with the like the same type of girl that looks underage in every video. The the Maddie Collins of every video."

"She's She's incredibly small. Like..."

"She's really allowed to say that name. I don't know if you're saying what happened on Twitter last week, but I'll say it."

"What happened?"

"All right. Well..."

"Wait. No, let's start from the beginning. First, she said that women over 140 lb shouldn't be allowed to do Only Fans. I would just I'm 140 pounds because I'm 5'7 like the..."

"Pause and then she she posted something about having like a bush and like a fat I have a fat. So she said something like if you're razor like..."

"Audi."

"I have an Audi. So it means like you have a fat your sticks out then you shouldn't be doing cuz you're ugly. And I commented I was like, 'Bro, are you like okay?' And that's like a ragebait tweet. And you want to know something funny for doing that?"

"Any get yeast infections more commonly because they don't clean themselves out as well. So have fun with your dirty."

"I don't even give a Why are you like trying to body shame people? Like you're a star. Like what are you doing, bro? You look like a foring engagement. That's what she's doing."

"I did actually see those tweets and they must have been rage bait. It seemed to..."

"It's not okay. posted a screenshot of her of her DMing Valerica privately and being like, 'Hey, sorry that was just rage bait. Like, don't take it seriously.' Like, it clearly was just rage baitless."

"I mean, this is probably the wrong industry to do that. Like, when you the..."

"It is because now nobody wants to work with her or anybody that works with her. This is yeah that that's the problem is that you can as a creator you have to not only appease an audience to create hype but you need to also appease the people you're working with."

"Yeah."

"So what you can't do is super inflammatory..."

"Stuff behavior as I would call it."

"Yeah. You can't just..."

"As I would say I would call it goofy behavior. You can't incite pe you can't incite rage in your co-workers and then expect everyone just to be cool..."

"Or expect people to ever work with you ever again. Like I literally saw people posting like, 'Hey, if you work with Maddie Collins after this, unfollow me because I'm never going to work with you again.' Like straight up. Like and I saw a lot of people posting that like if you work with Maddie Collins, I'll never work with you. So mind if you want to work with her, you know? And ever since she posted that [ __ ] where she was so desperate for engagement, literally like begging for rage bait, haven't seen her on my for you page since, like that is so irrelevant since then."

"She got her in 15 seconds of fame and then now..."

"Yeah, that's pretty accurate actually. And um I know Maddie, too. And you know, that was unfortunate that she had to play that game, you know, to..."

"To do that to try to get some level of engagement. I saw I saw those DMs from Blair."

"Yeah, she literally admitted that it was just engagement."

"Yeah, it was weird. And again, that's like me. Like, it's just some I'm I'm a little bit of an older guy and I I don't like to do some of this new playing games and engagement stuff. Like, there are different ways to gain traction and engagement."

"Put content out, but she does great. Doing the silly [ __ ] is just..."

"Oh, I agree. But like unnecessary cuz Maddie does great content. Like she like she could put a new good clip up every day."

"I don't have great content. She looks young. It makes me uncomfortable. I don't give a you know what to be honest I want to go back because you asked the question before about how people deal with their mental health in the industry and I didn't get to answer this and I feel like I will have like a really legitimate answer to a lot of people that like don't want to talk about stuff like this like..."

"Somebody like me I don't know zodiac that doesn't matter but like Scorpio you have like a a weird mindset and um is very draining because you know like you work with people you want to work with, you don't want to work with. There's different ways of like relieving your stress. So, people like me, there's there's different ways. People read books. I like to drink. I like to smoke. I like to, you know, like numb myself out. And a lot of people won't be open about it. But it's the truth because if you're having with multiple partners a day, you're giving them your energy. You know, like you're transferring energy every time you have somebody. And people don't realize that if he's going through like some like situation and he's rubbing his energy off on me or you got to like deal with some stupid girlfriend that's throwing you off on set. I feel all that stuff and it like rubs off and people don't get that end of the scene. Sometimes you just want to take a fat shot like it it's not as easy as people think it is. They're like, 'Yeah, you guys have sex on camera. It's all peaches and cherries.' No, bro. It's not. It's work and it's and days are harder than others, right?"

"Yeah. But, you know, like it it is what it is. It's for the it's for the the real. Only the real can survive this."

"So true. Like once you get to the top and you're making enough money to live, it gets a little bit easier. Not even at the top. Once you get to a point where you can live doing this full-time, it's it's a different ball game. But coming up,"

"Harder on yourself, I feel like."

"But but coming up, you have to be even stronger and even more mentally resilient. It's not for everybody because if you have a weak mindset or like..."

"Head space, you just you won't get you won't be able to people forget that this is actually real work. It's not just a big party and we're not just turning up and it's like and it takes consistency and working hard. Like I get I get people sometimes come up to me often and they'll be like, 'Bro, how are you finding success on many vids? Like what are you doing?' Like..."

"Like how is that happening for you..."

"Just posting weekly..."

"And I'm like staying consistent. I'm not doing anything. I'm not doing anything overtly different than what most people are doing. But I'm just staying consistent and..."

"Quality over quantity."

"An advantage for me is that I love to edit too. So I don't have to worry about a middleman. I that's why I crank out so much content and I have a formula that I follow..."

"That it's like like it's like my own personal stu I'm my own personal studio. So when you..."

"Like layout of how..."

"Yeah. So when you have an aesthetic and people kind of know like what you're going to bring it they get famili familiar there's a value in familiarity. So when they kind of know what what you bring systems..."

"Yeah. Exactly. So and you and you know what the different studio sites what their videos are going to look like. They're not reinventing it in a super super crazy way. They're just kind of tweaking it a little. You know, you know what a browser scene looks like or a Bang Bro scene or a Black Vixen, whatever. Like so that's kind of what I've tried to stay consistent with how I shoot, you know, and and again, I like to creatively collaborate and do new things within how I shoot and bring my style. And I think that's what's worked. And I think um you know staying consistent on these platforms is like the major thing."

"I really like what you said there because I agree that we are more like a production company than if you're serious about this than we are a studio if you're not treating it like just like hookup culture. Like we can we can have those moments in between and vibe and connect and camera whatever the but when it comes to really doing this work it's a business. If you treat it like a business it becomes a business. We're all here on like a work trip."

"It's also how women pick out the men that we're going to work with. We can tell if you guys are taking this seriously at work. You're just doing it because you're..."

"Yeah. If you move with professional intention, people can tell and they can translate that. That's why I like I like when people finally meet me and work with me and then they see how I shoot and then..."

"And then and then the way the recommendations work and one person would, you know, you know, so it kind of all translates into that to that same. So, um..."

"And girls talk. The girls talk for sure talk. All right."

"Yeah. You know, so yeah. So..."

"Yeah, you know, so I like to do definitely I definitely like to um Yeah. Stay active with all these different sites, you know, cuz..."

"Yeah. I think it's I think it's smart. It's really I think a lot of people who do males in particular, there's not a..."

"There's not a heap of them that don't that do just content creation. A lot of them do a mix of pro and content. So, I feel like they're getting a paycheck every Fortnite or every week, they don't have to be as active on their only fans."

"Male talents get paid less than females. And also, if you're a male talent in mainstream, for example, let's just say allegedly, if you shop for CM, you say you're straight, you're not, okay? You're a liar. So, there's a lot of guys in this industry,"

"You're so funny."

"There's a lot of guys in this industry that'll be like, 'Yeah, I'm straight.' are like they're just scared to admit they're by just say what you are. It makes life so much better. Like we work with you. We don't care if you cross over. Some girls do. Some girls don't. I don't give a..."

"Girls don't. And if they do care, we don't care about that. We don't care if you care. We don't. The real ones don't give a But like don't lie to yourself."

"Yeah. But if you got motion and doing your platforms and your content..."

"Or who cares, baby."

"Exactly."

"Who's about to be the president? We're done. We're not going here. No."

"So you and I and like Flesh Mechanic and Girth Master I think off the top of my head Max."

"Oh Max. But but but he does pro. No, no. I'm I'm saying the people I'm saying I'm saying I'm saying the people who just do content."

"I feel like you because you don't have a paycheck coming in monthly, fortnightly, you have to grind even harder on your consistency. But for me,"

"Let's just take back to mini vids is probably my main um that's what's working for me right now. Right now I'm number four on there and every the first and the 15th every month..."

"Is I'm getting a consistent check like a consistent payout. Like..."

"I'm doing really well. Like my goal by the end of this year is to be making five five figures just just on that side."

"And then we'll you guys will see us."

"So that's so figures a month, right?"

"Yeah. Five figures a month just on many vids. So, but the beauty of that is again that's just the passive income of it. Like like I don't have to necessarily I put in that like first two years of grinding building my catalog and now I can fall back. I don't need I don't have to work with so many content creators that I don't want to. I I can be more selective and I can just expand and grow my platforms and find more of my audience and play with my different um my different scenes that I got to sell right in my catalog."

"You can spend more time on production value. Exactly. And a big project is utilizing. I've got a whole catalog of vaccines that I can chop down the preview of it, use that vessel to promote my AC. And that's the biggest thing. You know,"

"I have a question for you about views. Go for it. So, I was talking to someone the other day. They said, 'You need 14 minutes to get on the main page.' Is that is that correct? 14 minutes."

"7 minutes to get paid."

"7 minutes to get paid. You have to fill out so much paperwork."

"And it's gotten worse and worse and worse as of today. I just email. But see, that's the thing, though. I I what I I did the science recently. It's it's a it's a open market. If you really take advantage of..."

"If like it's so discouraging for so many people right now that it's turning so many people away."

"Yes."

"But if you if you get on there and you're a a name you make a name for yourself and you and you're willing to go through the ID verification 10 times until it accepts the ID, then you're going to be part of a elite group of hubbers. And literally, literally, so there's a lot of us that aren't out there. So, it's a it's a monopoly."

"Including me, cuz I I just..."

"It's a monopoly."

"I tried it twice and I'm like, you know what?"

"It's discouraging. It's annoying. My my sat there for a year and I didn't do well until it was just like..."

"Sorry, guys. I don't know what just happened."

"I don't know either. The forest just took over the course."

"Let's go. Shoved me into that."

"She Yeah, she thrusted you into us."

"I love it. Yeah."

"I love that energy."

"I got nerd out."

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"I was nerding out on my business here real quick. Sorry about that. But you know, that's what I'm saying. I I take this whole..."

"Serious."

"I have it but I need to have another..."

"If you guys need help with your families. I got a girl."

"They make me go through which ising weird."

"It's hot."

"We have more hardcore content probably."

"Yeah, you pop off on this year for sure."

"No, for sure. Yeah."

"Sheer."

"Everything's alleged. I love all of you guys. If I nothing you guys help personally attack."

"Oh, it's just warning. Okay."

"You all should process that on your own."

"That's right."

"At your own risk."

"Peace and love."

"Peace and love to everyone."

"Peace and blessings."

"So, everybody, we'll wrap it up there, but why don't you tell us where everyone can find you?"

"I'm Trippy Rose with an I like Trippy Red. T R I P I R O S E..."

"On everything."

"On everything, but I'm banned on Instagram like every two seconds. So, don't even bother. Don't even bother. But if you type trippy rose into your Google search and Google it, everything will come up, dude. I promise you, it's so easy. So, I swear to God,"

"I don't want to hear nothing."

"Trippy Rose on Google. I'll find you. How about you?"

"I'm super easy, guys. Also, delete it on Instagram. It's so easy."

"Anna Chambers XXX. Find me."

"Anna Chambers XXX. How about you, Flat?"

"Flight Live Mars on IG. Flight Mars 3 on Twitter because it's my third Twitter account. Uh yeah, and then Fly Life X on all the spicy stuff."

"Guys, we're always getting deleted. We..."

"For a living."

"On social media, y'all are an effort to find us."

"Yeah, you have to be much smarter than you used to have to be. That's for sure. That's for sure."

"If you can't find us on Twitter, you have to go to the mentions. Like, it's not that hard. Like, I know y'all can figure it out. Y'all areing IT engineers messaging me. Like I can't find you."

"You got this. They just want a response. They just want you. They just want They just want They just want a response."

"No, literally it."

"All right, guys. Well, you know where the to find us."

"It'll be fine. I'm going to put it in the notes anyway. But thanks for joining us, guys. And great chat. Thanks for having us."