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You are listening to the Gritty Podcast, where we talk about all things gritty.
Welcome to the Gritty Podcast. I'm your host, Brian Call, and on today's episode, we're talking again with Cody at Wild Arrow, Cody Jones. In this episode, we get into some dangerous waters. I think we have different opinions.
We get into the best arrow rest. What's the best arrow rest out there? Now, these guys at Wild Arrow, they get bows from every manufacturer in their shop. They go through, I don't know how many bows they tune, set up, and work on. That shop is packed. It's just hours over hours. They do good work. Honestly, it is hard to find a good bow shop with good customer service and good reliability. It really is. They know their stuff.
Yes, they flat out are some of the best technicians that I know. Just look at Cody and how well of a shooter he is. Cody's up there in terms of competing as well. So, Cody's not just a technician; he's a shooter as well.
Now, the discussion today, we already talked about whisker biscuits and some other things, but really, we get into limb-driven versus string-driven drop aways, which they feel strongly about. We go into it and get various opinions from people in the shop, sort of throwing in their two cents. We had one of the guys, Elder Perkins, who had his bow getting worked on in there. He's got his opinions, and it's basically in line with the shop. They get into what’s what, what the fail points are, and why they like it. They try to justify their decisions in detail.
I think it's an interesting show, and it's food for thought, everybody. The thing is, I'm mostly concerned with accuracy and reliability—performance and reliability. I can't have it fail. I don't care if it's awesome, but it fails all the time. I need it to be both. So that's the discussion. It's a good show.
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All right, folks, welcome to the Gritty Podcast. I am your host, Brian Call, and we're back at the Wild Arrow archery shop. I've got Cody Jones here, and today we're going to talk about his favorite arrow rest and why.
I expect a good argument, Cody. I expect a good argument. Sell me on what your favorite is and why.
Can't they’re good? He likes them all.
I like—you do not like them all.
Two brands, multiple models.
Okay, let's talk about that. Tell me, what is your favorite arrow rest?
I have to prep, but hang on before you proceed.
Okay, brace yourself for the hate.
Okay, you're going to get hate. You're just going to get it every time. There's no way around anything on social media.
And you're guys, I think this guy is blue.
You're also wrong. You're also going to get lectured on how wrong you are.
Okay, so just get ready for those.
So this is an opinion. This is based on—
Based on what?
Years. I'm older than you think.
Okay, I started shooting bows way back.
Okay, so you got some experience.
And basically, you install these things on bajillions of bows every day.
I don't even want to know how many. It's unreal.
Okay, so tell me what the favorite is and why.
Then I have two favorites, if I can.
I have two.
Yes, is that okay?
Yeah, if I'm like 50/50.
Okay, if I had to pick one for the rest of my life, I mean, I like QADs and I like Hamski. I know that's not okay, and that's going to get tons of hate because you can't just like them both.
Because they're two completely different things, and one's way better than the other one, and yada, yada, yada.
But here's my basic rule of thumb for me: how much are you going to shoot? How crazy are you going to get? How good of a shooter are you?
Yes, most people can't even tell the difference. Let's be honest. I can't probably even tell the difference.
I've shot groups that I was like, "Man, I wish I could do that every day" with a QAD, and I've shot groups with a Hamski that I felt the same way.
So, the ins and outs of these two rests, they're both different, right? One's limb-driven, one's cable-driven.
Here's my opinion on that, and then I'll kind of answer the most common questions that people are going to have on those.
Okay, here's the problem that people are going to say. So here's a Hamski, for example, right? I got this big hunk of thing hanging out right here, which I goofed and didn't put his rubber thing on.
I have this big cord hanging out right here, right? Well, what if that gets caught on something? What if that gets caught in the brush, or what if you cut it?
Dude, if you cut this while you're out hunting, you did something really aggressive because I've never caught that on anything.
And I guess I'm a little bit more aware of it being there. But if you take this, for example, I think Blake, he doesn't have the two-piece, but I can use this as an example.
If I was to throw that quiver on his bow, it covers a majority of that rest. So if I was to fall and whack that, I gotta go through my arrows or get into that nice little groove there to get to it.
So it's tied to the limb there, it comes on up.
Yep, and the argument is that there's some vulnerability with that. Look at all that exposed string.
Okay, opposed to it being tied to the cable or something.
Yeah, so that's the argument: look at all that cord being exposed. It looks obnoxious.
No, I don't know. It looks cool, sleek. It kind of looks cool.
Yeah, it looks really cool.
If you would actually—so you're supposed to put this on; I just forgot. But anyway, so that's the argument with that, right? It's too exposed or too much going on.
There's too much cord.
Here's the caveat to this. The nice thing about that is, like what I'm doing right now, okay? Say we're in the field. I just cut this; it's broke, right?
I can pull this off. I can grab a new D-loop, which I would usually just carry a light little piece in my backpack. It's not a big deal, or leave it at camp if you're not too far away from camp.
And I can take and I can go like this, and I can do that, and I can tie a new one on literally in the field while I'm having lunch or sitting at camp.
Okay, you don't have to have a bow press. So yeah, it's big and it's obnoxious, but it's so easy to redo and tie.
And the timing of this rest, it's critical to some professionals. They'll tell you they want it to fall at a certain place on your arrow shaft to get optimal flight.
But for me, I've played with that a bunch of different times, and to be honest, all you need to do, right? If I have this cord set with this plunger or with this rubber, which not only takes out vibration but actually acts as a spring, if I pull this cord tight, okay?
If you look at this rest when it's not hooked up, the rest is vertical.
Okay, when you pull the cord, you hook it up properly, the rest becomes flat, right? As long as that rest is flat and there's no bounce back, it will function, and you will shoot fine, and your groups are going to be the same, and your impact didn't shift a whole lot.
Now, if you're a professional, maybe you see three-quarters of an inch. I'm not that good, so if I put that down in the field, I redid that or pulled that cord tight, and it's down like that, yeah, I'm good to go.
Okay, I'm hunting again.
Yeah, if you're a pro, it's a pro.
That's the pro.
So yeah, is this exposed? Sure, I've never cut one, knock on wood.
But okay, that's the pros and cons.
What about what Blake said, Perkins, about the drop speed?
Yes, so that's where I was going to get with the QAD. So the biggest complaint with QADs—we got our sample over here, you know, Blake is over here with this sample.
Show me this QAD.
Look at this. Look, we got this one right here.
Like we got that.
So with QAD, okay, the way that these function is the draw cord, when installed, is going to hook to your down cable.
So as you draw the bow, the down cable is going to move downward.
It's cable-driven; it's going to pull the rest down.
And then when you're ready to fire, you shoot.
It's a letdown, sneaky, huh?
When you let it down, it knows the difference between a letdown and a shot.
When you pull this all the way down, it comes to the full power position.
Shoot fast enough on a shot, it'll fall.
The biggest complaint with any limb-driven, or sorry, any cable-driven rest is, "Well, what if my cables stretch? What if my cables—"
Yeah, pull that out of there. I need that.
What if your cables stretch and move? Will that affect the timing of this, causing this not to function?
Again, I have never seen that happen on any of my bows.
I don't shoot always aftermarket strings and cables. I've shot a lot of stock strings and cables.
I've never had that move so much in twist rate or stretching that it's ever caused that to not function.
Okay, is it a possibility? Absolutely.
On certain rests, this material that they use in the rest itself, that material could be the problem.
This is probably more likely what stretched than this.
That takes a lot of movement for that to not function.
It's usually in the cord itself.
So let's say yes, if you're going to have a cord, a cable-driven, make sure the cord of the rest is good material.
That's where that happens.
But again, I've never had that happen to me.
A lot of people between these two rests, if you look at them from the backside, the containment zone, a lot of people still love the QAD for that one.
Yeah, because let's talk about it.
Because what happens with the Hamski is it comes up; it's always in a down position.
Yep, it's going to be sitting like this, and it comes up when you draw.
You draw, and then you fire, and it drops down.
But the QAD, you raise it.
Yep, I can either have the cable pull it out, and it's going to pull it, and it's going to function it up like this.
You fire, it falls.
Or you can lock it into position, make it all ready just like that, up.
Yeah, and then it sets it to and it contains the arrow shaft a little bit.
So which contains the arrow better?
I have a smaller window here, more room here because you got to think that's how that's going to be all the time.
Your arrow's going to be in your window of draw.
So the QAD actually has a tighter container.
It does, yep.
And a lot of people, that's their deciding factor. They want the containment of this, which it's nice.
I've hunted with one for years. It is convenient. I lock it up.
You know, I don't like crawling all over the place with an arrow knocked.
But if I am in my window of opportunity, I've got an arrow knocked. Maybe I need to take a step over a branch or over a log, so I have a small containment zone that that arrow's not going.
Okay, so that's a pro with the QAD.
Yep, in a way.
What's the—tell me about the time that the arrow is in contact with the rest, like Blake was—
Yeah, so there's theories out there.
And again, these are all theories because it's really—it's so hard to—like Blake's like, "It's not a theory."
It could be.
So this typically does stay up longer. You were right 100%.
The whole reason of a limb driver is so that it will stay up longer and support the arrow shaft longer.
Yeah, this falls extremely fast.
Okay, so this is going to fall fast.
Yeah, so it just makes basic logic. The limb is moving a lot slower than the cable.
Yeah, so the springs—so think of this, Blake.
I'm going to blow your mind.
Blow my mind.
So if your arrow is on that rest for a very long time, that is a lot longer time for you to make a mistake.
Does that make sense?
Kind of like a bracelet thing.
But we're all talking fractions of a second.
We are.
That's one of my questions.
My cut to the chase—yep.
Have you—can you tell a difference in accuracy?
Do you have champions running both setups?
There are, yeah.
So there's a couple pros out there that are hunters, and they also shoot on like the target 3D circuits.
And there's a video on YouTube he posted of a specific amount of time he would like this to be on the arrow shaft and then off.
Right?
And so what happens is if it's on there for too long, that's more time for you to make a mistake because it's still in contact with this, and you're still influencing it.
Yep.
If it falls too fast and it doesn't have enough support for long enough, now it doesn't have enough support for long enough.
It's going to come off, and it could come off floating around.
So if you just set this down with enough tension to where it's flat, your cord's not like super, super tight, it's just enough to where this is down, that arrow rest is falling somewhere on this Hamski towards the first, you know, somewhere towards the middle to the first, you know, six to eight inches somewhere in there of the arrow shaft is where it's falling.
Right?
Somewhere, you know, middle to forward is usually where it's going to fall.
When you have this set on QADs, they get that arrow coming forward for—I mean, it's not very long, and it's out of the way.
It falls.
So you're right. Support for accuracy is a good thing.
You're giving that arrow more support and guidance in hopes that you get more accuracy.
But if it's on there for too long, now that's just a lot more time for you to make a mistake.
But just at the end of the day, yep, more support—can anybody tell the difference?
Like my level of archery skill?
No, I mean, is it going to make a difference?
Like I said at the beginning, I couldn't tell a difference.
I should—we all know how good I am.
I mean, yeah, you're welcome for that, by the way.
You've had lots of influences from lots of people.
Yeah, no, and that's where it comes back to my point and why I can't decide.
I have some of my older Hoyts that have the QAD Ultra Rest on there, and I've had it on there for years, and it works.
I shoot phenomenal groups out of it.
I shoot as good as I would ever expect me in that equipment to shoot, and then this does the same thing.
So if you had to choose Hamski or QAD, you had no choice.
I have a gun to your head; you got to pick one.
You can't do that.
Which one?
I would probably choose Hamski solely because everything is more machined.
When you go to that—where's that QAD I had bopping around here?
Everyone has a Hamski bike.
Where did I put that?
Yeah, that thing.
Let me hold that. Give me that thing.
Yep, so this works great. The guys at QAD are awesome.
I've got to meet them.
I've got to sit and hunt with the president.
We just ended up at the same place, and Soup Dan is a phenomenal dude.
He really cares about his product, and he makes a great product.
Lifetime of the rest, though, like I said, this has a lifetime warranty; that has a lifetime warranty.
But if it's like end of the world, zombie apocalypse, I'm never going to get parts for it again.
I have to have it for as long as I can survive.
Yeah, I mean, this is machined metal; this is plastic.
Yeah, that right there, just—that's the winner for me.
Everything in this is sealed.
All the bearings are sealed.
Probably not going to have an issue, but launchers—metal blade components are metal.
Well, you're shaking your head over here.
Well, plastic is a no-go on anything, I feel like.
Yeah, so I'm agreeing with you.
Yeah, because plastic is bad.
A lot more repairable in the field if you absolutely need to.
Yeah, and it's harder to bend this if you fall on it.
You know, you're running from that zombie, and you fall, right?
I mean, so tell me, so tell me what about the containment issue?
Because for some people, they want this; they want that type of container.
I know here's some—some killers would argue that all the stuff you're talking about with the Hamski is a deal breaker when it comes to having their arrow.
We're getting lazy, Brian.
Here, watch this. I'm going to show you guys something.
It's revolutionary, and no, this has never ever been seen before ever in any bow, even the old bows.
All right, okay, watch this.
You put that on there, right?
Yeah, throw your—hold that down for me.
I'm going to use your beautiful hands.
Okay, come on. We're in the down position.
Watch this.
Oh my gosh, that my arrow's not going.
Nice.
Look at that.
Watch with that finger.
It's removable.
It's just flexible.
It is true.
That's what I do, but I don't put my bow on my wrap or my chest when I'm butt crawling into it, you know?
And that's on a slope.
Yeah, you're right.
That's the deciding factor right there.
But I run the Hamski because actually, I think it's got real tight containment.
Actually, and it's freaking quiet right here, and that arrow bounces around.
It doesn't make any noise in there.
No, if you felt him right—like right now, look.
I mean, it's hard to hear, but that can make noise.
And I showed you my rest.
True, don't have this up, but mine's all fuzzy and warm.
Yeah, watch this.
This is really easy to do.
I just—oh yeah, I just put my finger over it right now laying the bow down and doing a bunch of crawly stuff.
Sure, I get it.
Put a little bit of felt right here.
That's what I have.
It's going to sit right against that, just felt anywhere that that can touch.
It's just not a huge deal.
But honestly, I do this a lot.
We used to do that on the old rests.
That's—I was making fun of like, "Yeah, it's never been developed before," because people are like, "Well, I like the QAD and the whisker biscuits because I don't have to put my finger up there."
If that's the end of the world for you, life is hard.
Well, is the trade-off worth it?
Having to do that for the other aspects of the rest?
Again, that's why I was 50/50 on my favorite one.
All in all is because, yeah, durability, Hamski for sure.
Ease of use, it is sometimes nice to throw the QAD up, just click it up real quick, set it down, and it's right there and pick it up right there.
What about the IMX with the dovetail mount versus the screw in the burger hole?
Some guys, if you fall on the rest, it could move that rest.
Now your rest is out of time.
The IMX is a clamp system, so QAD has got it nailed there.
Yeah, having the smaller clamp is great, but it still has a more exposed launcher.
I'm with Blake.
Well, and the thing is, next year, all the new bows will have an integrated system with the Hamski.
Hey, you won't have this here, Cody, correct?
Yeah, my new bows have it.
Yep, for the Epsilon, like the new Omen that PSE came out with, it has a screw thing where it doesn't have this big chunky bracket out.
Yeah, so it will be just like the QAD.
Yeah, in line, more durable, more machine work, better launcher protection.
I mean, yeah, pros and cons.
Hamski's probably going to out-edge my QAD, but if I had my bow that I like, some of my older Hoyts, like my White Defiant, I've got it.
It has a QAD.
I have no problem grabbing that bow and going out and having confidence, but I'm also aware of that fact, and I'm not going to be as hard on that.
Right?
If I fall, accidents happen, but if I'm falling, I'm going to try to put my face in the way before my rest gets hit.
So before we finish this thing, what are the failure rates of each?
When you've had guys come in, you deal with tons and tons of dudes coming in with their bows, gals.
What's the storyline between the two?
Do people experience a higher degree of failures with either one, meaning like the launcher doesn't come up, it freezes in below-zero temps?
Like, what's the story?
Yeah, as far as like for as many rests as we sell of Hamski and QAD, the failure rate on both of them—Jay, would you agree?
The failure rate on both of these rests, Hamski and QAD, for as many as you sell?
Very low.
You know, very, very low.
If we sell 500 QADs in a year, I bet we have five or ten come back in with a problem.
But most of those are older generations that have been out, and the guys have shot for years.
Yeah, pretty low failure rate, but those are out of all the rests that we've shot through all the years.
Those are number one and number two for sure.
Yeah, Hamski.
Hamski, the failure rates on those wouldn't—I wouldn't call it a Hamski failure.
I'd call it a user error.
They didn't have this down properly; they messed with their rest tension; they didn't have that.
That's—they don't really fail.
Can you get bearings in that?
Eventually, it will wear out.
Yeah, but again, like Jay said, it's years and years down the road.
So for years, I shot the Prophecy by AAE.
What are your thoughts on that?
Because Bodhi just won Vegas with something like that, didn't he?
So I know I saw it on his hunting bow.
Yeah, so he's got a lot of AAE stuff on Bodhi.
He shoots a blade rest, I believe, for Vegas-type stuff.
Okay.
I hunted with the DOA, the AAE DOA.
Yeah, shot my biggest deer of my life to this point with that rest.
I liked it.
Yeah, the launcher on that one was fragile.
Again, plastic launcher.
Yeah, the mechanism of the spring inside—my issue was that the launcher would wear down and get a groove in it.
Yes, so then they came out with the new cover, and it doesn't seem to be doing that.
Yeah, like a lot of janky looking.
Yeah, like the fix.
You'll see it even on Hamskis; you'll see it on QADs.
All arrow deliveries are a little different, and you'll see one of those sides of the rails get rubbed a little bit more than others.
So the more the durable launcher is, the better off you're going to be with that.
And I did see that, so the plastic on those AAE rests was very, very fragile.
It's very thin and very easy to embrace.
And I asked Brody about that, and then I looked at his, and the new version has some sort of clear plastic cover, which then prevents the abrasion from occurring from there.
I shot—so the other one is the AAE Pro Drop, which is the limb-driven version of their rest.
I know Dud uses one of those from on his knock-on stuff with a—he's got a lot of Pro Drop stuff with his, and so I had that before a lot of people even knew what they were, and it was a great rest.
But when it came to this feature here, yeah, you could—if you didn't have anything under this or it wasn't set up just right, you could just push that launcher beyond parallel.
Beyond, yeah, parallel.
And the spring systems just weren't quite as durable.
Well, the containment was better, right, on these other ones than the AAE because they—
Yeah, he didn't really whale tail big, just open hood.
Yep, yep.
And then you had to remember to raise it.
Yes, like if you didn't raise it, it doesn't raise automatically.
Yeah, on the DOA and—
Yeah, Prophecy, and then you're hosed.
You're just shooting into the—
Right, and a lot of people would just click them up.
Yeah, they would forget that and then click it up, and then they would grab the launcher and like force it down and break it when you're supposed to just roll the dial.
It was pretty dang sweet, though, in like negative 15 degrees and freezing ice rain.
Like a bunch of my buddies all had their launchers freeze up in Ohio.
Yeah, mine did not.
I didn't have to knock the ice off of it; it just would just be ready to rock.
So I think a lot of rests nowadays, in today's day and age—
Are you saying I'm old?
You're a year older.
I'm a little older than people think too.
We won't say how old we are, but a lot of rests nowadays are good.
Keep in mind, you take care of them; a lot of them are pretty decent.
But I do see a lot of issues with other rests.
The durability, you're good on the QAD, and that—I don't hate it.
No, I—okay, Hamski wins by a slight edge, but I would have no problem hunting with my QADs.
But if I had to pick, the end of the world, you're forcing me with it.
That's right, squirt gun to my head, right?
How about noise?
Is it or is it an issue?
Because I don't think the old AAE's would go—my carbon shaft would go shift as it came, and then when it came down, it would slap.
And then if you try to get it back far enough on certain bows, you couldn't, so you had to have it smack a shirt.
But the QAD and the Hamski are both very quiet.
Very quiet.
Yeah, the Hamski is, for what it is, this rest is very quiet for a limb-driven rest that comes down.
And which one are you—
Attention, this is the Epsilon.
This is what I want to put on mine.
Is that their newest version?
Yes, sir.
Yep, love it.
I ran them all.
Me and Jeremiah would argue all the time of the old models of Hamski.
Any Hamski model that you purchase, they're all going to work.
They all have great internals; they all have very similar spring systems.
But the only difference is this one is smaller and more lightweight.
They have the Trinities, which are bigger and more bulky, but they still work.
Some of their pro models don't have this outer bearing in the full containment.
They do have an exposed launcher.
So, you know, don't think that every Hamski has this.
They do have some models where this is open and exposed.
Jeremiah was running one of those for a little while in the pros.
It's actually right here.
So here we go.
We got all of them.
So this is a Hamski as well, but again, this is where that—
Yeah, this is where that 50/50 comes in.
I don't love this model of Hamski because that is open.
Granted, this is a big chunk of metal, and that's a metal launcher, but that is wide open.
If I would have this one when I had that same fall I talked about earlier, then it could break that.
It could have been different.
Yeah, but then on these ones and on the old Trinities, you have that guard there.
So I prefer that one.
This one does save you a little bit of money.
It's still a sealed bearing on one side, still great, still limb-driven, works.
But I still think if you're going Hamski, get either the Trinity, which is their older model, which is going to be like this one on this bow.
This is the Trinity, so same bulky size, you know, of the traditional, but it has this on it.
Okay, so now you get your full containment.
The Epsilon just takes all of this, shrinks it down, makes it a smaller package, lighter weight, more compact.
A lot of the new bows are being built to fit the Epsilon.
Yep, and you're reducing bulk.
People are starting to figure out that if I can reduce all this bulk and clutter, it sits tighter.
Side sits tighter.
That's a much tighter window as well than what I—
It is smaller.
Yeah, they did get better on their containment, so it's even a tighter race to the QAD than it ever has been because of that.
All right, well, Cody, thanks, man. Appreciate it, brother.
That's a lot of—this is good stuff from Wild Arrow Archery, Cody Jones.
Where can they find you on Instagram?
@archer.jonesy.
Okay, and don't get too excited; it's not the greatest.
I'm not a—I'm not actually an Instagrammer, socialite.
No, I'll put stuff on.
I have my dog on there a lot.
If you really like, you know, little Pomskies, I'd like you to put some arrows.
There's a heck of a lot of tips and stuff and archery tips on that.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, you know, get to work.
The more I put on social media, the more I'm going to be told I'm wrong.
My way cooler.
And if you don't do that, you know.
Yeah, yep, just come in, see me.
I'll sit and spend all the time you need.
Yeah, all right, folks. Thanks for tuning in. Appreciate you.
Stay gritty.