Joe Rogan Experience #2223 - Elon Musk

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Uh, but if you want to sort of see like a vision of the future, it's like basically the top 20, and even the top 100, is like totally dominated by China. It's yeah, this is like China and a little bit of Korea and Taiwan.

So you, are you in the top 20 in the world?

Top 20? Wow, in DIA?

Yeah, yeah. Do you want to tell everybody your handle?

No, no, don't tell them, don't tell them. It's not worth it.

Well, they actually listed me with my actual name in the list.

Oh, did they really? Oh, interesting.

Um, but yeah, there's only two Americans in the top 20. The rest, almost everyone is from Asia.

Otherwise, we were talking about something that I think is really good because people always think that video games are frivolous. But what you were saying, I think that's really important, is it's so difficult that it requires you to only think about that, and it can relieve stress. It can take out the rest of the world because it's so hard.

Yeah, you can only think about that.

Yeah, I mean, if finally, if I play a video game on extreme difficulty, then I have to concentrate fully on the game. Um, and it has a calming effect.

Yeah, it sort of chills down.

Um, and I mean, you mentioned, I think many people, like if you play martial arts or you play pool, like something that forces you, it's like I think anything that forces you to concentrate fully actually has a calming effect.

I find it just sort of like a mental restoring effect mentally. It's like it's good.

Jiu-Jitsu is like that. Archery is like that as well. Like when you're shooting a bow, you have to, there's so many moving things, and you're trying, you have to think only of it, and it cleans the mind.

It cleans the mind.

Yeah, exactly. I was watching, I was reading this study about surgeons where they found that surgeons who regularly play video games make fewer errors.

Well, it's, I mean, video games require manual dexterity, so it makes sense.

Completely makes sense. Actually, if somebody was like epic at video games, I'd say like their surgical skill is going to be very good because in order to be good at video games, any kind of fast reaction video games, look at this: 32% fewer errors, 24% faster, and scored 26% better overall than their non-player colleagues.

Oh, I believe that for sure. That's incredible. You should be required in medical school to play video games.

If somebody's like a top-ranked video game player and they say they're a surgeon, I'd be like plus one, plus two type of thing.

Oh, top-ranked for sure. But this isn't even top-ranked; this is just people who play.

Well, your manual dexterity has to be extremely high, so you're looking at things on the screen, you've got, you're reacting, and you’ve got like 10 milliseconds to react.

Yes, and so if somebody's got incredible reaction times, manual dexterity, they're obviously going to be a good surgeon.

Imagine if there was a course that you could take that would promote you, you'd be 26% better.

Yeah, everyone would have to take that course.

Sure, why would you want a surgeon that's less prepared? You would say, "Hey Bob, did you take this course?" "You didn't take this course? Don't you understand this course makes you 26% better?"

Sure, you would have to take it. Everyone should have to play video games if you want to be a surgeon.

Well, I think it certainly would be a very good test to see if somebody can't play video games well. Like that means, I mean, because you got to move both hands simultaneously, you got to react to something very fast on the screen.

And if your keystrokes or your mouse clicks or whatever are wrong, then you lose the game.

So if somebody has a good rank in video games, I would say that their manual dexterity must be very extremely good.

Well, it's so hard. Motor skills have to be excellent. If you think about like Starcraft or any game like Quake, any game where a lot of people are playing to rise to the top, you have to be exceptional, period, as a human being.

There has to be something exceptional about you.

Yeah, actually, Quake, way back in the day, I was one of the world's best Quake players.

I know, we talked about this.

Yeah, I loved Quake.

Yeah, yeah. My final semester in college, I probably put more time into Quake than all my college classes.

When I was on News Radio, all of the writers were super nerds. They were very, very fun guys, and they had a LAN set up at the studio where they all played Quake.

I had never played video games, and I would go in with the writers just to kind of hang out with them.

We'd get silly, and then we would all start playing video games and playing Quake against each other, and I got addicted, like hardcore.

I got a T1 line installed in my house.

I went hardcore.

Yeah, exactly. You're checking how many milliseconds of latency you...

Oh yeah, I was fully addicted. I was making my own computers. I was going to Fry's Hardware and buying motherboards and putting everything together.

And you know, it was too much of a time suck though. I'm an obsessive person. I can't get involved.

Like I can't put golf...

No, it's too... Golf is too slow for... I mean, I know a lot of people find golf good, and I mean, I guess if you think of it like it's, I guess if you're saying you're going to walk outdoors with friends and occasionally hit a ball, then you're just as an outdoor walk, then that's cool.

Um, and it does require concentration, hitting the ball, but it's too slow for me.

Nothing compares to video games in terms of like the amount of feedback you get, like the sensory overload you get when you're looking at a large high-resolution screen.

You have a fast computer, you have headphones on, you're hearing sounds from here and sounds behind you, and rockets are flying by you.

There's nothing like that.

Yeah, but I think golf still is like... Jamie will tell you, Jam's an addict. He's a golf nut.

It's super addictive, and it takes like eight hours a day.

Yes, once you get into golf, I think, I guess any sport, it gets super predictive.

So, but for me, the intensity of video games is hard to beat.

Yes, and people dismiss it because they think it's just a waste of time, but we're showing like real-world benefits for people playing video games.

Yeah, if you want to be a drone operator, it's the only game in town.

Yeah, really good at video games.

Yeah, for sure.

So, in fact, I can actually tell you like what my mental acuity is if I just play a very hard video game.

So if I'm trying to sort of get like an extremely good clear time in Diablo or something like that, or any, you know, a post-person shooter, whatever the case may be, like if I can tell that I'm tired or my brain's not working as well as it should, it's like a mental calibration.

You can tell immediately like what is your mental state.

Right, right.

And you know, so it's like if you're trying to play really well, like if you play late at night and you're tired, you would just play badly.

Right, and you can say, okay, you may think that your brain is working well, but it isn't because you can play the video game and you're like, you suck.

So, okay, yeah, you're putting it under stress.

Yeah, you're really stress testing it.

You stress test it, and because like sometimes, like, oh, I think I'm fine, but then you play the game like, okay, I'm not. I might be like 10% below what I should be.

That's how I feel about workouts for sure.

Like that's how I knew I had COVID, or I knew everyone in my family had COVID, and I was trying to not get COVID.

And so I was working out, and I was like, something's up.

Like I felt fine normally, but then during exercise, I was like, okay, I can tell there's something wrong here, so let's back off, relax.

Yeah, yeah.

It's like people who don't stress test their mind, they think they're operating on the same level all the time.

Like sometimes I come in here and I can't form a sentence, and I don't know what it is.

It's like, what is going on?

So it's just like sleep's not... maybe like what, sleep wasn't that good or something like that?

Yeah, something like that, or I'm too busy, and it's just, the words aren't coming out.

Like I know how to talk; I talk professionally, and I can't talk.

It's like, I mean, sleep is massive. I mean, like huge.

Yeah, so I can tell me, like, did I get a good night's sleep or not?

If I just play like a video game for like five minutes, I'm like, okay, my sleep wasn't that good.

Um, because my, you know, and then sometimes your brain will recover through the day, and it's like, okay, like an hour or two after waking up, it's better.

Uh, your brain does kind of recover from a bad night's sleep a little bit during...

You know what really helps?

Creatine, apparently.

Does it?

Yeah, creatine is actually a nootropic, believe it or not.

There's a lot of like benefits of creatine that are really weird.

Are there any downsides?

No, no, it's a natural part of food.

Yeah, especially for women, apparently, especially postmenopausal women, it's very beneficial.

Okay, and there's, but there's a lot of like cognitive benefits, and one of the big ones that they found recently is performance when sleep-deprived.

Mental performance when sleep-deprived increases pretty measurably when you supplement with creatine.

Is creatine naturally occurring in like steak or...?

Yeah, it's like naturally occurring in meat.

I think that's where it's coming from. I think it's primarily an animal-based thing.

Yeah, but like I did switch to like steak and eggs for breakfast, and I found that's like a power-up.

Oh yeah, yeah.

Well, we're all overrun with carbohydrates.

Yeah, totally.

And you like carbohydrates make this big crash, the rise and the crash, the rise and the crash.

You stay flat if you eat like a primarily high-protein, high-fat diet.

Yeah, your body runs off ketosis essentially.

I mean, so I just have like steak and eggs, no bread or anything, and it's great actually.

It's a power-up.

I'd say people dismiss this whole carnivore diet thing because in our heads, there's a lot of propagandist that put this thing out there that animal agriculture is the number one contributor to global warming.

This rubbish is not true.

It's not only is it hot, but the real problem is factory farming.

Regenerative farming is carbon neutral.

If it doesn't sequester carbon, the animals are not going to make any difference to global warming, like none, zero, nothing.

Do you think that that's just propaganda because of people that have a vested interest in like plant-based meat products and things along those lines?

Green energy?

I think it's part of it.

Um, you know, that you're generally going to get people pushing to avoid meat.

Like some people just, you know, um, yeah, maybe they got financial interest, maybe they just like vegetarians or vegans or whatever, um, ideological reasons.

Um, but it's not going to make any difference to global warming or, you know, the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere really.

Um, if people eat fewer steaks, it doesn't matter.

It's irrelevant.

I want to be super clear about that.

Yeah, it will not matter.

You will not even be able to measure it.

Okay, that's how irrelevant it is.

Isn't it funny that that's unmeasurable?

Heretic speaking, like that's crazy talk.

Now, nowadays, it's like you have to say that we have to eat less meat, that meat is bad.

Totally.

Eat as much as you want; it's not going to make a difference.

Sing it, sing it to the world.

Yeah, absolutely.

Um, and if somebody says it does make a difference, I'm like, how will you measure it?

And if you can't even measure it, then it's...

Yeah, yeah, literally, I won't be able to measure it.

Well, there's so much out today, first of all, all directions.

Thank you so much for buying Twitter.

Thank you so much.

I'm not exaggerating when I think you changed the course of history.

I really do.

I really think you made a fork in the road.

We were headed down a path of censorship and of control of narratives that is unprecedented.

Forget about what they were able to do back when they had newspapers and the media under control.

What they were doing with social media by suppressing information, and when you had a combined government effort, like with what they were doing with the laptop story, you have 51 former intelligence agents saying that this is Russian disinformation, take it offline, and Twitter complied.

Yeah, if you didn't buy that, we wouldn't have known that.

We had no idea.

Exactly.

Uh, no, it's, I mean, the reason I bought it was because I'm pretty attuned.

Um, since I was like the most interacted with user on Twitter before the acquisition.

So before the acquisition, I had more interactions than like, there's some accounts like Obama and whatever had higher follower counts, but I had the most number of interactions of any account in the system.

So, um, I was very attuned to like if they saw change, if they changed the system, I can tell immediately.

Like, and I'm like, something weird is going on here, you know?

Like, so there's like, I just got increasingly uneasy.

Um, and obviously when they deplatformed a sitting president, you know, not deep, de-deplatformed Trump, that was just insane.

Um, you know, um, and the things he was posting, like he was posting things that, that like he was posting good things.

He was saying like, hey, we do not riot, don't do any destruction of property, you know, please stay calm.

Like that's the kind of stuff he was posting.

Yeah, and you're like, uh, what's wrong with that?

That's, and then some people say like, oh, that's like some sort of dog whistle, he means the opposite.

I'm like, okay, so we'll give you Trump's account now, you post what you think he should post because he can post nothing.

He can ask people to calm down.

Like what?

It was insane.

Like it didn't make any sense.

Well, it's completely illogical when you say it's dog whistling to tell his followers to not be violent.

That's crazy.

That's crazy.

Don't you think they'll listen to him?

Yeah, isn't that the whole point?

They listened to him and created violence in the first place.

That's what you think, that's what you're accusing him of, right?

And then there's the fact that we know that there were agents in the crowd that were agent provocateurs that were encouraging people to do illegal things.

We know that for a fact.

This is not, that was always the big Alex Jones type tin hat conspiracy theory because Alex proposed that back at the World Trade Organization protests, I believe, in Seattle in the 90s.

And they sent in agent provocateurs, started smashing things, lighting things on fire.

Now all of a sudden, a peaceful protest is no longer peaceful.

They move in the cops, they shut everything down.

They had it set up where it was a no protest zone where you couldn't even have a pin that had the WTO with a red line through it.

They wouldn't let you go in to go to work, so you couldn't protest.

You couldn't exercise your First Amendment rights.

You couldn't even like have a peaceful protest, a sticker on your car.

You couldn't have that.

It's crazy.

It is crazy.

So no, I think we're very much at a fork in the road in destiny.

Um, and, um, you know, so I, I mean, the reason I did the Twitter acquisition was like, it's like, man, if I don't do this, I think we're screwed is the issue.

Well, you didn't do it; no one else was going to do it because it wasn't a financial winner.

It was kind of a crazy move.

It's a crazy move.

I mean, the thing was way overpriced.

Um, and, um, you know, like long term, I think we can ultimately make it a win for investors, but boy, this is a hard way to make a living.

Well, there's also a concerted effort to suppress it.

There's a concerted effort with the advertisers.

Well, we had a, and still have, um, a massive advertiser boycott that was organized by a bunch of left-wing NGOs.

Like, uh, you know, and you always want, and I should have, I should have brought my, uh, I have a hat, "Make All Fiction Again."

I've seen that hat.

Yeah, I should have, I was going to, I should have bought my "Make All Fiction" hat too.

But, but, uh, yeah, I mean, it's just totally, totally nuts.

Um, so if you didn't do it, no one would have.

And here's the hilarious narrative that I keep hearing from idiots: "Elon's a bad businessman. Twitter is worth, you know, 400% less than when he bought it."

No, it wasn't worth that in the first place.

It wasn't worth that in the first place.

It wasn't worth $44 billion, you morons.

Like, wrong.

And also, you're not taking into account the advertiser boycott.

Exactly, that's total...

Yeah, exactly.

So there are these organizations, like you can tell, there's like, they have an alien name, so like the, like the C Center for Countering Digital Hate is a total scam organization.

You know, they're like the Ministry of Truth type of thing.

In, um, you know, uh, they like, they're a censorship organization.

Yeah, um, and they organized, and they pushed the advertisers to boycott.

Uh, so we still have like some of the boycott is starting to lift.

Um, and I think if Trump wins, we'll see, you know, probably a lot, most of the boycott lift.

Um, but if Kamala wins, we'll see that boycott get stronger, and they'll freaking shut down.

There's no way that the sort of Kamala regime would allow X to exist.

Do you really think that they'll be able to shut it down though?

Is there a pathway to that?

Uh, yes.

What would they do?

Um, well, I mean, they can just, they can sic the DOJ on you, you know, and say like, you know, they've had this whole thing about like hate speech, misinformation, whatever, except they're the ones pushing the misinformation.

But that doesn't stop them from filing massive, you know, lawsuits and using the DOJ.

I mean, like the DOJ has, you know, been attacking SpaceX, for example, for not hiring asylum seekers, even though it is legal for SpaceX to hire anyone who is not a permanent resident of the U.S.

So we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

There's an example, just an example of what the DOJ can do.

So it's illegal to hire someone who's not an American citizen for what?

SpaceX is considered an advanced weapons technology, so it's covered by International Traffic in Arms Regulations because we make rocket technology that can be used against the United States.

So like if North Korea or Iran got SpaceX rocket technology, they could use that to launch nukes at America.

Right, that would be bad.

Yeah, that'd be really bad.

That would be really bad.

So we're, uh, since we are in like the most extreme category of weapons technology at SpaceX, um, under U.S. ITAR law, it is illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident because the presumption is that if they're not a permanent resident, they're going to return to their home country and take the rocket technology with them.

So that's, and so it's illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a, either has not a per, they can have a green card or be a citizen; they just have to be a permanent resident of the United States.

Um, then there's another law that says if you discriminate against asylum seekers, that's also, you're also breaking the law.

So they just, so the DOJ, which the DOJ can only do a small number of big lawsuits every year, launched a giant lawsuit against SpaceX saying that SpaceX discriminated against asylum seekers.

And we're like, but we're like, but it's illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident.

So we're in this like, this is what I mean, it's like, or well, the whole situation is getting insane.

Like you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.

So you're damned.

Can you imagine history looking back?

F*** up, man.

When you watch the robot arms catch the rocket and you realize like this is like one of the greatest accomplishments in the history of aerospace.

Like it is one of the wildest accomplishments when you watch that thing come, and you see all the people cheering, and it catches it perfectly.

Like holy, imagine how history is going to look back at the DOJ going after that company.

Yeah, how insane it is.

A big lawsuit with an army of lawyers.

Like this was not like some minor thing, but it doesn't even make any sense logically.

Like how can it even get brought to court if it's illegal?

That's exactly.

So that's what I mean, like basically if the government wants to go after you, they'll just find a reason.

It's like that famous quote from Beria, you know, like Stalin's chief torturer, the head of Stalin's secret police.

And he's like, chief torturer, truly evil human being.

Like this guy Beria, one of his famous quotes was, "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime."

Right, they just, they decide that you're the target, and then they figure out the crime afterwards.

That's the issue.

They decided SpaceX was a target; they just figured out the crime afterwards.

Which is so crazy because that's exactly what they're saying Trump is going to do if he gets into office.

They're doing all the things that they accuse Trump of doing.

Yeah, openly.

Openly, yeah.

I mean, the sheer number of hoaxes that the Democratic Party is pushing over and over again.

And it's like, look, I understand like politicians are going to, you know, exaggerate, they're going to misspeak, and they'll tell occasional, you know, untruths, whatever.

That's how it is in politics.

But when you have deliberate, repeated pushing of hoaxes, you're like, wait a second, like come on, man, this is too far.

And you're supposed to be the good guys.

You're supposed to, and you claim to be the good guys.

I'm like, exactly, you're supposed to be the progressives.

Yes, the Dems are like, oh, we're the good guys, we're the honest people.

No, no, hang on, you can't claim to be the good guys.

You can't claim to be the honest people if you're deliberately pushing hoaxes that have been debunked thoroughly.

Yeah, like even Snopes, which is a liberal thing, says it's bogus.

Yeah, like the fine people hoax.

Obama just said that on stage, just said that.

I was like, what the flying...

He doesn't give a...

He doesn't give a...

They're just, they're just flat-out lies.

Flat-out lies.

How about the other one where Kamala's campaign used what Trump was saying about protecting women from illegal immigrants?

Thank you.

You remember that?

That he, what he was saying is the women, like it or not, I'm going to do it.

Yeah, when he was saying that, they were trying to say that he was taking away women's right to choose.

Whether women like it or not, like that's not what he was saying.

Absolutely.

He was literally talking about protecting them from dangerous people that are sneaking in through the border.

Yes, exactly.

They'll take like, like not even a full sentence, like a half a sentence from Trump, and then they'll push it on every ad, every, you know, every speaking event, every, and it gets repeated on the news.

This is what's crazy.

They'll talk about it on these news shows.

Yeah, exactly.

I mean, um, I mean a recent one that came up, um, which had a lot of people, because a lot of people reached out to me, was like, they're like, oh, Trump says he wants to execute Liz Cheney.

I'm like, that is utter...

It's not what he said at all.

It's not what he said at all.

He all he said was like, was like what he was saying is that, look, if Liz Cheney, um, actually had to fight at the front lines, she'd think twice about going to war.

Exactly.

That like it's easy to go, it's easy to go to war.

It's easy to be a warmonger if you don't have to, you know, risk dying at the front lines.

Like if other, like basically it's up, if people are having like fancy dinners in Washington, D.C., um, while people are being slaughtered in trenches, you know, it's like you're not feeling the pain.

Exactly.

You're not taking the risk; it's someone else dying.

That's like, that's cruel and lacking in empathy.

Um, and all Trump was saying was that it's like Liz Cheney would be much less of a warmonger because she's a huge warmonger, just like her dad, um, if she actually had to go to the front lines and fight herself.

And meanwhile, they're saying that he should, he's saying she should be shot.

Yes, which is a total lie.

But I had like tons of people call me this weekend saying, oh, Trump says he's going to put Liz Cheney in a firing squad.

I'm like, that is an outrageous lie, and the legacy media ran with that lie big time.

Yeah, it's crazy.

It's just wild to see, and if it wasn't for Twitter or X now, I don't think we would know about all this stuff.

I think it would be very difficult for you.

I think YouTube throttled, they did something weird.

They won't say what they did, but they did something weird with the Trump interview that I did.

Yeah, where you couldn't find it.

It doesn't make sense.

Like, it made no sense.

I mean, it's like the, it was like the biggest interview on Earth.

Yeah, and you can't find it.

Yeah, not only that, it wasn't trending.

It wasn't trending.

It wasn't trending.

You're like, like this just, no excuse for that, man.

No excuse.

There's no excuse.

It was getting a million views, 1.4, what was it, 1.5 an hour?

Yeah, at one point in time, 1.5 an hour.

Yeah, and it wasn't trending.

Yeah, like, and it's like, it's like your channel is a known channel.

It's not, it's not like it was started yesterday.

It's like, yeah, it's like this is a high trust, yours is a high trust channel.

It's like, like you're not trying to sell scam crypto coins or something, you know?

Um, so, well, thank God we put it on X as well because I think just with your account and my account alone, it's like 70 million views.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, well, it's like you can't hide things anymore because of you.

And if it wasn't for you, I think they would have had total control of social media by now.

They would have, they banned so many accounts during the pandemic, so many dissenting scientists and doctors and physicians.

They banned so many conspiracy theorists, so many people that colored outside the lines.

They would have done that everywhere, and it probably would have...

I think even at what's going on at Facebook, they're being more lenient.

You know, you hear Zuckerberg talking about taking a more libertarian stance.

That's entirely reaction to the way Twitter has kind of moved the watermark.

Exactly.

So, um, as soon as any company steps out of line and is willing to actually have the truth debated on their platform, it forces the other platforms to allow things to be more truthful, to not censor because their censorship becomes glaringly obvious.

Yes, um, yes.

And you know, the best thing I found for as a rebuttal, like if somebody, if there's a hoax, is just go to the source material.

You know, if you think, if somebody thinks, uh, you know, oh, you know, Trump said that we should put Liz Cheney in a firing squad, I'm like, let me send you a link to X so you can watch his video.

That's the best way.

It's, it's don't take my opinion for it, don't take anyone's opinion for it, go to the source material.

And Community Notes.

Yes, and Community Notes is the best.

It's awesome.

It's incredible because everybody gets checked.

Yes, including me.

Yeah, and with Community Notes, all the software is open source and all the data is open source, so you can recreate any given note independently.

That's amazing.

Yeah, that's how it's total absolute transparency in every way.

You know, sometimes I get asked like, oh, can you remove a note?

You know, mostly by the left, but sometimes by the right.

I'm like, I don't even remove notes on my own account.

Nothing.

And by the way, everything is totally open, so if I did that, it would stick out like a sore thumb immediately.

Like it's not going to be subtle.

It's the best counter to misinformation.

Yes, absolutely.

Like let everybody look at it and say, okay, here's what the actual facts say.

Yes, exactly.

The counter to misinformation is better information.

Not just that, but having it checked in real time by the community.

So you have millions of people that can go over it and debate whether or not this is true or that's true.

Yes, and just, and like I said, the best way to understand the truth of things is don't take anyone's opinion for it.

Look at the source material.

You know, so it's like look at what someone actually said, look at what someone actually did, look at the real videos of the situation, and then you can actually, you'll know what's real.

So as of today, when you were literally on your way here, you sent me this text saying that they're trying to lock you up in jail in Pennsylvania.

Tell me what the f*** is happening.

Well, you know, there's the classic sort of Soros DA situation.

Um, so we're making a lot of progress in Pennsylvania.

So, uh, you know, I've been, I've given a whole bunch of talks throughout the state because Pennsylvania is the linchpin in this election.

You know, whoever wins Pennsylvania wins the election.

So, um, so I've been giving, I spent three years in Pennsylvania.

I went to college in Philadelphia.

So, um, so it's not like I'm not a total stranger to the state.

You know, I spent three years there.

Um, and, um, and we, you know, we, we, we've organized this petition in support of the Constitution, um, which I think is a good thing.

Um, and specifically asking people to, uh, and we wanted this to be like, um, registered voters in swing states.

Like basically we want to send a message to the politicians to say that the people care about the Constitution because there have been all these attacks on the Constitution.

They've been especially on the Democrat side.

They've been repeatedly saying that the First Amendment is an obstacle because, and they're claiming, oh, the First Amendment is enabling disinformation, misinformation.

And I'm like, yo, there's a reason for the First Amendment.

Like freedom of speech, the reason the founders of the country put, you know, the freedom of speech there is because they came from countries where if you spoke your mind, you would get shot or imprisoned.

That's why the First Amendment exists.

And the Second Amendment is there to stop the tyranny of government.

The Second Amendment, the right to bear arms, is there to protect freedom of speech.

Um, you know, and I've had these debates especially with people in LA because they're like, want to take everyone's guns away.

And I'm like, yo, can you guarantee me that the government, that we will never have a tyrannical government in the United States?

Can you make that guarantee?

They're like, well, nobody can make that guarantee.

I'm like, then we need to keep our guns because that's what's going to stop it.

That sounds crazy for people to hear because they think about gun violence and gun problems and gun this and gun that.

But that's the reality of the world that we live in, is that tyranny is possible and it exists other places.

And it's slowly existing, it's slowly rearing its head in the UK.

You're seeing, I think the number of people that have been arrested for just social media posts is bananas.

It's in the thousands.

Yes, several thousand people have been given prison sentences in the UK for social media posts where there was no explicit link to actual violence, but they just said it encouraged violence.

Like, well, did anyone actually do anything as a result of that media post?

Well, no, but they just...

And then they have a prison overcrowding situation in the UK, so they quite literally are releasing convicted pedophiles and putting people in jail for Facebook posts.

That's an actual thing happening in Britain.

That is so wild.

Like, it's...

You're like, so wild.

The... you know, is going on.

And what's insane to me...

Fiction again.

Yeah, you know, but it's all being encouraged by the left.

Ketanji Brown Jackson, John Kerry was one of the people who said that he's on camera, like a few weeks ago, saying that the First Amendment is a pro, is an obstacle to fighting misinformation.

Yeah, that's crazy.

That's such a crazy thing to say when you have a solution in Community Notes.

You have a solution in something like that that could clear everything up, any confusion within a day or two.

And, and even without a Community Note, you can reply to a post and with evidence that shows that the post is wrong.

You don't even need Community Notes.

I mean, Community Notes is helpful because it sticks to the original note, yes.

But in the replies, you can say, here's why you're wrong, here are the reasons, and here's the evidence.

The argument is that people are too unsophisticated, that they're not going to research these things, they're going to be a victim of misinformation.

So they're going to read something, it's incorrect, they're going to run with it.

People are going to die, people are going to, we're going to ruin the world because people believed in misinformation.

It's a stupid argument.

It's a stupid argument because it's an argument that they're too dumb to know what's right or wrong.

If you know, because you're saying it's misinformation, why do you think that you're smarter than everybody who reads that?

Exactly.

And obviously anyone on the X system knows that things are posted, and then there are replies and there are rebuttals, and it's immediately corrected.

But where are the corrections for the legacy media?

Right, you know, when, when if, um, you know, some broadcast media, they said false things all the time, but it's a one-way street.

There's no rebuttal, there's no counter.

Right, you know, who's apologized for being incorrect about what?

Did Rachel Maddow ever apologize for telling everybody that if you get the COVID vaccine, you're never going to get COVID?

It won't, the virus stops with you.

Never.

No one ever.

It's just, it was not true at the time.

There was no evidence to support it at the time.

It's pure propaganda, and she said it.

The Russia Gate hoax, for three years they said that he was Putin's toy and that Putin had him compromised.

The Steele dossier was completely fabricated by a lawyer, Fusion GPS, who was paid by the Clinton campaign.

Literally crazy.

And still people think the Russia hoax is real, and there's no repercussions.

No one had to apologize.

Hillary could never come out and apologize for that, and people still listen to her.

The whole thing is crazy, and it's all coming from the left, which growing up as a person who was in the left my whole life, it doesn't make any sense.

Same, same.

I mean, I, I, I even, I was on the left until like three years ago.

Like I, I mean, you know, it's not the left anymore.

It's not the left anymore.

It's just like, I think we obviously want, I mean, I believe like we want freedom.

Like we want to maximize personal liberty.

Uh, I think we want, we want to be kind to people, you know, we want to have empathy.

Uh, and, um, but, but it's very important to have personal freedom and a merit-based society.

The left wants to oppress your freedoms, especially freedom of speech.

Um, and they want to, they want to have a non-merit-based society, you know, with race-based and sex-based preferences.

And it's like, well, wait a second, no, we just want people to succeed based on their skills and their hard work.

And if they don't want people to express themselves about particular issues, then they're not doing the will of the people.

And if they're trying to suppress people's ability to communicate, they're only doing that because they want to do things that people don't want them to do, and they want to silence opposition.

That's all it is.

And the fact that people can't see that, they want to call Trump a fascist.

The whole thing is through the looking glass.

It's just, I mean, it's like one hoax after another that they're perpetrating against Trump.

I mean, like they try to call the rally at Madison Square Garden like a Nazi rally.

I'm like, yo, there was like literally an Israeli flag in the audience.

Um, I think like a quarter of the speakers were Jewish.

Like there was like, there were people of every race, color, creed, religion at that rally.

Like tell me what about that is Nazi?

No, and yet it was portrayed as a Nazi rally.

MSNBC, they literally showed video of the Nazi rally from the 1930s and then compared it to the Trump rally now, ignoring the fact that Jimmy Carter spoke there.

There have been dozens of political rallies at Madison Square Garden, dozens on the Democrat side.

Like people on X, like, and here's exactly, here's Jimmy Carter, and here's Bill Clinton, and here's, wait a second, actually it looks like every presidential candidate on the Democrat side has done a rally at Madison Square Garden.

Are they Nazis too?

But what they're doing is they're preying on low-information voters who aren't engaged actively on social media, who don't have the time to look through everything.

Exactly.

Yeah, like people are living, if people are just on looking at legacy mainstream media, then they have a totally different worldview than if they're on X and seeing the actual flow of argument.

Yes, and the actual evidence.

Well, what was the pushback like?

What happened when you guys released the Twitter files?

'Cause I think the Twitter files is probably one of the most important things in this age of information for understanding the influence that government has on social media and on discourse.

Because when we found out that that was the case, that the government was actually asking Twitter to remove posts that were factual, did they do the same thing to Facebook?

They had them throttle pieces of one of Tucker Carlson's shows.

They suppressed the views by 50%.

Yeah, no, there was massive government interference in Twitter.

Um, but like Twitter welcomed it.

That's important.

Old Twitter welcomed it.

I mean, old Twitter was controlled by far-left activists.

Yeah, so, uh, and, and they welcomed the government interference.

The government, they got paid by the government for it.

That's crazy.

They got paid millions of dollars for suppressing information.

So it's like, Bill, and a bunch of it was like flat-out illegal.

Like the FBI had this sort of magic portal into the Twitter system, uh, and, and, but all of the communication in that sort in this portal was auto-deleted after two weeks, which breaks federal FOIA laws.

So we don't even know what was said because it was all deleted after two weeks.

That's insane.

Yeah, that's so crazy.

It's so crazy that people thought that was okay.

It's not super not okay.

No, it's super not okay.

It's unconstitutional, and no one would want that.

No one would want the government to have that kind of access.

Exactly.

And what was the blowback like when all that stuff got released?

Like you had to anticipate that there was going to be problems when you released that.

Like what was, what happened?

Well, we got a lot of, we did lose a lot of advertising dollars.

Um, and, um, which is crazy because it's essentially like one of the most important forms of journalism is exposing government corruption.

Yes, I mean, this is the weird, weird thing.

It's like the left used to be big on exposing government corruption, but now, but once they control the government, they no longer want to expose government corruption.

Right, they want to pretend that the left-wing government is incapable of corruption because we're on the good side.

I think it maybe just like, you know, whoever's in power kind of doesn't want the, you know, the other side hurt.

Um, because as you pointed out, like the left historically, up until, I don't know, maybe even 10 years ago or something like that, um, was the free speech party, and now it's the anti-free speech party.

And they just, they use words like, like, oh, we have to be against hate speech and misinformation, disinformation, but these are propaganda words.

You know, it's like, uh, well, who's defining hate speech?

Who's defining misinformation?

The government?

Do you really trust the government to make that definition?

Um, the whole point of the First Amendment is like you do not trust the government.

Well, especially when they're wrong, and then there's no repercussions.

Yeah, like with the whole lab leak theory, if you get, you would get kicked off of YouTube if you even presented this argument that, hey, maybe that coronavirus lab where they're doing work on the exact same virus that got released, yep, hey, maybe that's where it came from since that's where the virus started.

What do you think, guys?

Yeah, they kick you right off of YouTube.

Yeah, um, yes, exactly.

It's like, do you think maybe it could have come from the place called the Novel Coronavirus Research Institute?

That John Stewart bit that he did on COVID was amazing.

What does it say on the door again?

Uh, can I see your business card?

And to see COVID, like resisting it with every fiber of his...

What's going to happen to us?

He was totally blocking the bit to the point where John Stewart got off his chair and started walking around to try to take control.

Yeah, good on John.

And then the left tried to cancel John Stewart, of course.

Meanwhile, he was right.

He was right, and no apologies.

No apologies.

Yeah, and you know the whole Fauci thing, like any criticism of Fauci, it's like an freaking demon if you ask me.

If you read RFK's book, The Real Anthony Fauci, if that's correct, if the facts are in there, that's true.

It's all referenced; you could find the sources.

And on top of it, he's never been sued for that book, which doesn't make any sense.

If he just made a bunch of lies up, he would get sued.

Yes, so the guy's a monster.

I think so.

Yeah, I think so too.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think like just looking at the lies that he told, the way he tried to define gain-of-function research to Rand Paul.

But he, I think a lot, maybe a lot of people out there don't realize Fauci funded the bioweapons research that was going on in Wuhan.

And he bank-shotted off, like he can't send the money directly to China.

He just bank-shotted it off EcoHealth, right?

This just like fake nonprofit in the U.S., and they sent it to Wuhan.

And Obama put the skids on that.

He stopped that in 2014.

Yes, I mean, so, you know, to give Obama some credit, he actually was like looking at this and saying, hey, this is crazy, and we need, and he, so he actually did stop the, like, like the so-called gain-of-function, again, a propaganda word.

Because what is the function they're talking about?

Death, right?

Right, so if you actually use the right word, this is gain-of-function is death maximization.

Right, then you're like, oh, oh, hey guys, should we fund bioweapon research into death maximization?

'Cause that's what gain-of-function means.

Yeah, it means the function of making a disease so that people can get it, give it to people.

And by the way, what's that function again?

Oh, the function is death.

Okay, so just call it a death-maximizing virus if you're doing research on that.

And the idea behind this research is so that we can cure these things.

How come you don't have a cure?

Start with a cure.

Cure first, disease second.

It doesn't make any sense.

Like you guys had no strategy for dealing with it if it got out.

And so you have to like make up this new vaccine in like record time, Operation Warp Speed, released to the people with very little testing.

It's crazy.

It was crazy.

The whole thing's crazy, and everybody just went along with it.

Looney Tunes, next level.

Well, it's the scope was fascinating to watch people step in line.

That's like one of the biggest SS of all time.

Of all time.

Of all time.

And everybody got in line.

And when you take it back to when pharmaceutical drug companies were able to advertise on media in the 1990s, that changed.

One of two countries, the whole that allows this.

And because of that, because we don't have socialized medicine, it's a complete profit scam.

And they went hard claiming all sorts of things that were never researched, all sorts of things that were not supported by data.

Like the fact that it would stop transmission, the fact that it would stop infection, the fact that it was safe for pregnant women, the fact that it was safe for children.

All of it, yes.

And they pushed it on the whole world, and if you didn't say that at a cocktail party, you were a pariah.

Yes, and you were an anti-vaxxer.

It was totally psycho.

It was like being a Holocaust denier; you get kicked out of polite society.

Exactly.

Bananas.

And I should say, like, I'm actually generally pro-vaccine overall.

You know, I think we should look at these things, but I believe in the scientific method.

So, so you have a blanket accept anything.

You have a blanket accept that any given medication or any given treatment is 100% good.

You should always be, it with some skepticism, especially when you're getting the data from pharmaceutical drug companies that have like a long history of criminal conduct.

Yes, they've got a vested interest in the research.

It's sort of like asking tobacco companies about, you know, whether smoking is dangerous.

You know, exactly the same thing.

Like, God, according to our scientists, everything's fine.

Yeah, they lied in court forever.

The same thing they do with OxyContin when they said that it wasn't addictive.

Like they have a long history of being full of...

If it makes them money, and that's what they do.

That's their business.

They've literally lost multi-billion dollar lawsuits in this massive, massive...

They're in the...

You have amazing scientists, right?

You have these clinical researchers, these people that developed these incredible drugs, and this is their job.

Their job is to figure out some new way to cure something, some new way to stop things.

And then you have the money people.

Sure.

And the problem is when you have this one thing that you would assume they're only doing it to help people, and then they have this other faction that they're all just numbers people, and all they give a f*** about is maximizing profits.

And making sure they literally have an obligation to their shareholders.

They have to make the most amount of money possible, and so they just want to push it on everybody, regardless.

Like the Vioxx scandal, there's internal emails showing they knew there was going to be cardiovascular events, people were going to get strokes, and they're like, I think we're still going to do well.

And they did.

They made like $12 billion.

They got fined, 50 to 60 thousand people died.

Holy...

Yeah, one of them was a friend of mine.

He got a stroke and died.

Yeah, no, he didn't die; he lived, but he was a really healthy guy, and the same after.

Yeah, he had problems.

And he took Vioxx, and all of a sudden he was slurring his words, and he couldn't concentrate.

And people were like, I think you're having a stroke.

And they took him to the hospital.

And then you have this giant class action lawsuit, then Vioxx gets pulled from the market, and they get sued, and the whole thing's crazy.

But there's a long history of this.

I think, what is the number?

Like one-third of the drugs that the FDA approves gets pulled.

It's bananas.

That is crazy.

That's crazy.

You're shitting at one-third of the things that you say are okay, but yet you're trying to stop MDMA therapy for veterans?

Yeah, they should let MDMA through, honestly.

That thing, that actually helps a lot of people.

It would help a lot of people.

Help a lot of people.

There's a lot of different therapies, specifically psilocybin.

The fact you have to go to Mexico to get ibogaine therapy for veterans, so many guys I've talked to have gone over there, and it's like completely giving them a clean slate, refresh their mind, and totally new perspective on life, alleviated depression, cured addictions.

Illegal.

Yeah, illegal.

OxyContin?

Go get it.

Yeah, um, and I know some people who like their life was ruined by OxyContin, you know?

Oh yeah, because, I mean, it really depends on, you know, somebody's individual biochemistry.

Um, like to me, like, like opioids are not addictive to me.

Like, you know, I've had them when I've had operations or something, and they barely affect my pain level, and they make me like itchy and uncomfortable.

They make me stupid.

Exactly.

But I'm like, so, so like, like I could never get addicted to alcohol or opioids.

It's just impossible, like because my biochemistry just does not have like...

But I love tasty food.

I feel like, you know, if there's, I'm addicted to tasty food.

Sure.

Um, but like there can be, like I have a whole of alcohol; it's there for decoration.

I never done sh**.

Basically, I feel the same way.

I could easily quit alcohol.

I mean, I'll go weeks without having a drink, and it doesn't bother me at all.

But I know some people, they have one drink, and they're off to the races.

And that's the difference in the biochemical differences that we all have.

Yeah, I mean, I think that's the case with a lot of addictions.

I'm not addicted to gambling, but I get it.

I see it.

I've seen it in people, but I have this aversion to things that I know are going to ruin my life.

Like I see it.

That's why I've never tried cocaine.

I just saw too many people.

It looks too fun.

Like I don't want to get involved.

Yeah, I mean, I think generally for any given drug, legal or illegal, you could, the question is can you complete the following sentence: blank made me a better person?

Like I've never heard anyone say meth made them a better person.

Or cocaine made them a better person.

No, ever.

Um, made a lot of soldiers better, I think.

That's, yeah, I mean, if you're doing, if you're like, if your soldiers need to for three days in a row, yeah, it's really effective at that, you know?

Um, yeah, people give like France a hard time about, you know, capitulating in World War II, but, but you know what's worse than the Nazis?

Nazis on meth.

Me up.

Nazis, they're not stopping.

Norman, they have six bullets.

They're like, they're still coming.

That book over there, Blitzed, is all about the use of methamphetamines and the different drugs that they gave their soldiers.

The guys at the front of the line, they gave the most meth.

Yes, they have different dosages.

Yeah, I mean, you just basically think you're invulnerable on meth.

And, uh, so, so it's one thing, like I said, it's one thing to be, you know, have like the Nazis coming after you, but Nazis on meth?

You're like, holy sh**.

Those are not stopping, man.

For three days, they're not stopping.

It's so crazy.

Yeah, that's not a statement you hear very often.

I've never heard that before.

No, you hear a lot of like psilocybin advocates.

You hear a lot of people that talk about psychedelics.

I exactly, I've actually heard many people say that, uh, LSD or, you know, mushrooms or, uh, MDMA made them a better person.

Many people.

Yeah, so that's why I'm like, I think a rule for the FDA should be like, hey, look, um, if you can complete the sentence, legal or illegal, that, um, blank made you a better person, actually, yeah, then you got a good drug.

And if you can't, you got a bad drug.

Also, if there's drugs that are available right now that can absolutely ruin people's lives, the rationalization for stopping other drugs that might ruin people's lives but also can help a lot of people's lives, it doesn't make any sense.

Right, you're basically the same thing as censorship.

You're taking away people's ability to discern what's true and not true, and you're taking away people's ability to discern what's good for you and not good for you.

And the way to find that out is to have as much information as possible.

So to do research and actually to have unbiased, actual objective observers who are looking at all this stuff that give you real data.

Yes, and the opposite of that, or the counter of that is like if you don't do that, you're empowering cartels.

Yes, that's the whole reason why they have all that money; it's because it's illegal to sell these drugs in America.

The demand is never going away.

So instead of like limiting the amount of drugs, now you've got toxic drugs, see fentanyl and all this other sh**.

That's been because they're not pure, so you're just killing people.

You're not saving anybody by protecting them from themselves.

True, but it's a tricky situation because what do you do?

Like if you just like say, okay, now everyone can sell all these people that have been selling boner pills, now you can sell meth.

Like holy sh**.

You get the double combo, the VRA.

It's the VRA and the...

Right, Jesus Christ.

Oh my God.

Well, I mean, how many people are already doing that right now?

There's a lot of people out there that are essentially on meth, especially people that abuse Adderall.

They're basically amped up all day long.

Yeah, Adderall is low-grade amphetamine.

Yeah, um, so, um, the, and like I actually seen people like become much worse people if they take too much Adderall, like much worse.

You know, it's like an anger amplifier.

So there, um, now, now I'm not saying like Adderall is something like where there's, there are pluses and minuses.

It's not a clear-cut issue.

Um, it does help some people a great deal.

Um, and, uh, but, but in higher doses, man, that stuff, I've seen people turn into just raging monsters on high doses of Adderall.

Like they're just angry, like extremely angry all the time.

Yeah, they're messed up.

Yeah, that's what happens if you take meth.

It's crazy.

You turn into a freaking rage demon.

And so, and so many prescriptions, I'm like, Jesus, we googled it.

Like one year, there was like 39 million prescriptions for Adderall in this country.

Oh yeah, yeah.

Like once in a while, there's like an Adderall shortage, and like there's like widespread panic, you know?

And then what do people do?

And then it's the same thing as like when they tried to like limit the amount of OxyContin.

Well, people go to street heroin.

And if you're addicted to Adderall and your dealer, the guy who sells you weed is like, hey man, I can get you like low-grade meth.

Like the stuff the Nazis took.

Well, they had IG grade meth, actually.

They had pharmaceutical grade.

It was, they had epic, epic meth.

It was like made by the, like pharmaceutical grade meth is going to be, if like this, this, I mean, I mean, you just look at the freaking U online Wikipedia page, but there's like many different versions of meth.

Like not all the same.

Um, and they have different effects.

Um, so, but, but like pharmaceutical grade pure meth, you are going to be, oh my God, super productive.

Super productive for a certain period of time, and you're not going to sleep for a while.

And, uh, and then you will, you will have some anger management issues.

Um, so like, uh, they actually, the Nazis, they did actually, um, uh, roll back how much meth they were using because they had quite a few incidents of the soldiers killing their officers because they were on too much meth.

Jesus Christ.

They would, yeah, so they would shoot, that too many officers got fragged by the, by the, you know, their platoon that was on too much meth because that happened quite a few times.

Like you just, when someone's on a lot of meth, they're very, they can get very angry.

Did you ever pay attention to when John McAfee was cooking meth in a lab in his backyard?

I mean, McAfee is quite a character.

He was a character.

We had him on the podcast when he was on the run.

So he called in from an undisclosed location when he was running from, where was he?

Costa Rica?

Is that where he was?

Bise, right?

So when he was running from the authorities, he called in.

We had him on the podcast on the run, and I was asking him about these posts.

Like, see, there was an online account that was linked to him where he had this very detailed laboratory, like super sophisticated, making the best meth, like a super genius cooking meth.

I mean, I think he like had, like he had his lab, like he was making like a wide range of drugs.

Uh, and there was like, I talked to, uh, actually like a reporter, um, who went down and like, uh, interviewed him in Bise.

Um, and, and the reporter said, man, that's one of the scariest things.

He's like, he was, he was quite terrified.

So like one of the things, like McAfee, he had, I guess this trick where he would play Russian roulette with himself.

Uh, so, so he'd put a bullet in the revolver, and they spin the chamber.

And clearly he had like some like trick to, you know, know it was not, there's some, you know, way that he knows it's not the right bullet.

But, but I do wonder, like if McAfee's high and he does that, he's not always going to get the trick right, you know?

Do you sure he had a trick?

Or maybe so.

Yeah, yeah.

So, so according to this reporter, um, when he went to visit McAfee in Bise, uh, McAfee took out the revolver, put a bullet in the revolver, spun the chamber, and then pointed at his head and went click.

And the reporter is like saying, please don't do this, like this is insane.

Click, click, click.

And then pointed the gun at the ground and went click, bang, and shot a bullet in the ground.

Jesus, that's a hell of a party trick.

Jeez, it's the next level party trick.

That's the guy who's seen the deer hunter too many times.

He, yes, remember that scene when they were forcing...

Yes, yeah, woo, that's a heavy scene.

That was a heavy scene.

Diane Keaton and Christopher Walken, that's one of the greatest scenes in any movie ever.

I remember watching that scene just like clawing at my pants.

Like McAfee was a wild boy.

Wild.

And he created brilliant antivirus software.

Yeah, yeah, he may have made some of the viruses too.

You think so?

Well, didn't he like give laptops to a bunch of government organizations with viruses on?

Yeah, so that he could like pay ATT to what they were doing?

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if somebody whacked that guy.

I don't know what happened to him, but I, he would be a guy that would be like, this guy is a little bit too loose.

I probably had sensitive information.

I don't know.

For sure he did.

I mean, I found him to be an interesting guy.

I mean, like I'm generally like feel like, like if somebody's not harming someone else, they should be okay.

Now, now there is some suggestion that McAfee like killed his neighbor in Bise.

Um, yeah, so probably did.

Maybe the neighbor was a douchebag.

I think he probably did.

It seems like he probably did.

It seems more than not.

He's a methed-up wild man playing Russian roulette.

Hey, maybe you kill your neighbor.

Yes, I mean, if somebody killed your dog, you'd be really inclined to kill them too.

Yeah, somebody killed your squirrel.

John Wick.

Yeah, the squirrel thing is bananas.

Yeah, that squirrel thing.

So here's the thing about the whole squirrel thing is, is that, um, how can it be that we live in America, supposedly land of the free, and the government can barge into your home with guns?

Uh, so if you resist, you're going to get shot.

Um, and then take your pets and execute them.

Um, and if they can do that to your pets, what do you think they can do to you?

I know, that's not an exaggeration.

Absolutely.

It sounds like you're, oh, that's so crazy.

How can you make that connection?

But it's, that's why would you kill that cute little squirrel that was obviously a pet?

Yeah, it's a cute little fluffy squirrel.

Exactly.

Well, it's, it's a nice symbol because most, most like reasonable, compassionate people think that's terrible.

And most people who have pets think it's terrible.

Terrible.

Um, so I don't know.

I mean, I'm like, I hope people just go out there and vote for peanut man.

If nothing else, if nothing else, just vote for peanut.

You know, they've done such a job of painting Trump as a monster.

You know, they've taken the worst things that he's ever said, and he's not a perfect person, but guess what?

No one's a perfect person.

They don't exist.

This purity test, like if Obama was a perfect person, he wouldn't be lying on stage about that, that, you know, very fine people hoax.

There's exactly, no one's going to be a perfect person.

But the thing that they didn't understand about Trump is he's so crazy that if you tell him like he can't be president, like remember Obama did that during that White House Press Correspondence?

There's one thing that I'm that you'll never be president of the United States.

You see Trump in the audience going, okay.

You know, funny thing is, I was actually, um, at that White House Correspondence Dinner where, you know, it's supposed to be a roast of the president, right?

Trump's there.

He's there.

He's actually supporting, uh, you know, basically if you go to the West Correspondent Center, you're there in support actually of the president and support of the press, right?

And, uh, it's meant to be you're roasting the president.

Like Trump's just there, he's like actually, you know, just, he's like there as part of the support.

And then they turned it around and just started roasting Trump.

And he's just sitting there.

I'm like, he's like, yo, I just came to the dinner.

I wasn't, I'm just here to support.

You know, we know what it was because of, right?

The birther stuff.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, that's what it all was.

It was all Trump was at the head of a lot of these people spreading this rumor online that Obama's birth certificate was forged and he's actually from Kenya.

What's weird is if you go back to Obama's early days, there are some things that say he's from Kenya.

Like I think in his co-something from college said he was from Kenya.

But, you know, that could just be, you know, people print things wrong all the time.

It doesn't mean he's actually from Kenya.

But Trump was one of those guys that was like spreading that supposedly false rumor.

Why is he pushing it hard?

I'm not, this is the kind of thing where I want to just go and look at saying what, what did he actually say?

No, he definitely was.

He was definitely saying, you know, look, he, I don't think he has the time to go into things like very deeply.

Yeah.

And so I think he could probably be influenced by a bunch of people like these Marjorie Taylor Greene type people who come to him with some wild-ass theory.

True, he might be.

And I think there's a lot of that stuff that gets fed to people on purpose so that they'll say incorrect things so that they're easy to dismiss.

And I think, uh, there's also a lot of people that just make up, and you know, they tell you the Earth is flat, and then a bunch of people watch a YouTube video and they believe it.

Yeah, well, but on that White House Correspondence, I was there, and the degree to which they attacked Trump in that, in that, uh, at that White House Correspondence Center was really, it was, it was so over the top.

It was like making everyone uncomfortable.

Really?

It was really over the top.

You know, I mean, I think like sort of a passing joke of like, you know, a few passing jokes are fine, but, but they twisted the knife big on Trump in that.

And you could see Trump just getting like angrier and angrier and more and more upset.

I wonder if, and it's like, man, this is, this is not good karma.

You know, that's what I was thinking at the time.

I'm like, look, I was two tables away from Trump, and I'm looking, I'm like, man, this is too much.

You know?

Well, it's kind of crazy what they made out of that because that's the kind of guy that if you tell him he can't do something, he's going to just keep trying.

Like what?

It was a big mistake to rag on him so much with that White House Correspondence Dinner.

Well, just look at the way they've attacked him in terms of just using the legal system.

Like this thing in New York where the 34 different felony counts, they were essentially misdemeanors that they decided, even though it passed the statute of limitations, they to try him for these.

They didn't identify a felony.

Abuse of the law is what's going on.

But most people would have quit.

Most people after the E. Jean Carroll lawsuit and this lawsuit and all the other ones, the Insurrection thing, the Georgia thing, all these different things, they getting kicked off of Twitter.

Most people would just be like, this is too much.

I can't take this.

But he's so crazy.

He's like, all right, come on, we're going to war.

And he just digs his heels in and keeps going.

Yeah, it's the wrong guy to do that to.

Just like attacking him at the White House Correspondence Dinner.

Most people have been humiliated.

He got angry.

He's like, yeah, all right, say I can't be president.

I was thinking, I've been thinking about running for about 15 years.

Finally, I'm going to run.

Yeah, yeah, that was a real bad move.

Um, but yeah, I mean, I can certainly understand like making some jokes about like, you know, a few sort of passing jokes are fine.

But man, I was there at that dinner, and that they ragged on Trump so much, it was insane.

The reason why I would push back on that, 'cause I would say there's a bunch of different speakers, right?

And Trump would obviously be a target, and if they all attacked him, it's because he's like, if you're going to make fun of people in the audience, and especially in the zeitgeist, that whole birther thing was big, and most people are dismissing it as being a ridiculous conspiracy theory.

So who the f*** is this guy saying this?

And so you have eight to ten individual speakers that are writing monologues.

Of course they're all going to hit Trump.

Yeah, well anyway, obviously it was a mistake.

They shouldn't have done that.

And, and, but like you buy people to watch that original source material, and, uh, I think a few jokes are fine, you know?

It's like, but, but it's like he shouldn't be the, like it felt like he was the primary object of the roast.

Yeah, which is, that's not the whole point of the thing.

It's a roast of the president, not roast the audience.

The thing about it is like he's easy to roast, and then on top of that, Obama was like loved and cherished by the left, and most of those people are on the left.

There's only so far you can push.

You know, you can't ask him about a chef.

You know, like what happened with the chef, bro?

You can't like certain things you can't bring up.

You want to, what's your favorite sport?

Paddle boarding?

Yeah, is that guy, wasn't that guy a really good swimmer?

Tell me what happened.

You know?

Exactly.

You can't bring that up.

Like if you're going to roast Hillary, you can't bring up the death count.

Like, uh, Hillary, what's the best way to stay in touch?

Email?

Yeah, it's, if you're doing one of those, you know, she destroyed the servers and poured like bleach on the servers, like computers.

That's, she poured bleach on them.

That's what I saw.

Yeah, that's, I believe that's like, it wasn't just like they took a hammer to it.

They like destroyed the, like there was no possible way to actually get forensics on the thing.

What was in there?

Like that's what I mean.

What was in there?

Why would they care so much?

That's so crazy.

Yeah, the whole thing is, there was no legal action against that, which is clear to destruction of evidence.

Well, it's also, there's this other narrative that always drives me crazy is that, uh, he's going to destroy democracy.

So in order to destroy democracy, we have to install a president without a primary.

We have to have a candidate that is the least liked vice president of all time, the least popular vice president of all time, and then use gaslighting and the full force of the media machine to turn her into the future and hope.

And then we're going to, she's going to be changed even though she's a sitting vice president.

And then on top of that, this idea of change when the Democrats have been in control for what, 12 or 16 years?

Right, which is crazy.

Like this is the change.

Yeah, I mean, obviously I view this election as a turning point, um, like a fork in the road of destiny that is, uh, incredibly important.

Um, you know, I've not, I've not been politically active until this election, and the reason I've been politically active this election is because I think if we don't, if we don't elect

Seeing is triple-digit increases in the number of illegals in every swing state. In some cases, there are 700% increases. These are gigantic numbers.

Um, so if you have a state that went that has a 10 or 20,000 vote margin and you put 200,000 illegals into that state, you 10x the... you swamp the... it's not a swing state anymore; it's going to vote blue.

And then, once the swing states vote blue, there is no election anymore. There's only a Democrat primary, which is so crazy. It's so crazy that people are fine with that.

Well, I guess people on the left will be fine with that because they think that's a good idea. They just want to win. They just want to win.

Correct. Like, the thing is, one does not need any grand conspiracy theory for this. You just have to look at the simple matter of incentives. If the Democrat Party wants to win, like basically achieve permanent victory, all they need to do is turn the swing states blue. They have permanent victory.

And then we're a one-party state. They will keep stacking the deck by bringing in vast numbers of illegals into the swing states, keep stacking it so that the next election, each successive election will be worse than the last one. And that's what's happening.

If you want to see, like, well, is this actually going to happen? Look at California. California is super majority Democrat, 70% Democrat.

Um, a month ago, they passed a law making it illegal to show ID in any election in California. So, a friend of mine went to vote in Palo Alto because he was like, is this for real? He tried to show his ID, and they reacted like if you show a cross to a vampire.

Okay, they're like, no, we can't even look at that ID. It is illegal for them to even look at your ID if you want to present it in California for any election at all, even like city council.

What logical reason other than to cheat would you ever have that law? The reason is to cheat. That's the only... you can never make an argument any other way.

And I think 84% of people polled believe that you should show ID to vote, so it's against the will of the people. Yes, and we are extremely aware we're an outlier in not requiring ID. Basically, almost every country on Earth requires ID to vote.

So, as soon as you ban ID for voting, it makes fraud impossible to prove because how do you trace the fraud? Right? Yeah, it's insane. It's insane.

And what I'm saying is that how is it legal? What I'm saying is like this election is the last chance to preserve democracy in America. Mark my words.

Everything they accuse Trump of, they are guilty of. Um, and if Trump doesn't win, this will be the last real election in America.

Um, and we will... if the Kamala puppet machine wins, they will legalize the illegals in the swing states. There will be no swing states. Every election going forward will be a guaranteed Democrat win.

And it'll actually be worse than California. The reason it'll be worse than California is because the one thing that keeps California from being super crazy is that you can move out of California.

Like you and I did. You and I used to be in California. Well, we moved to Texas. We're still in America. But if the Dems win this election, they will legalize enough illegals to turn the swing states, and everywhere will be like California.

There will be no escape. That is so insane. This is the final... this is it. This is the last chance.

Has anybody tried to push, go out and vote? Vote like your life depends on it. Vote like your future depends on it because it does. This is the last chance, man.

Is there any argument against this? Has anybody tried to debate this? Has anybody tried to say that this is nonsense? This is a conspiracy? Has anybody made any sort of a rational argument?

The left actually, interestingly, does not want to pick up much on this argument because the more attention you look at it, the more obviously it is true.

Because you just say like, well, are the numbers correct? Have... are there really this many illegals that have been imported into swing states? Yes, they haven't just walked across the border. They've been flowing in, flowing in in airplanes.

Yeah, using a shipping app. Yes, yeah, they made an app. Well, the app always existed, but it used to be for people coming over here, like shipping goods, so they could track you while you're in America.

So you could legally be here, they know where you are, and then they changed it to allow that app to schedule illegal aliens to come across the border. Yes, asylum seekers, come on in.

Yes, oh, you have an app? People in... they're literally being flown in to the swing states.

And the reason that I think the left doesn't want to push back on this is because the more attention this gets, the more people realize it is true. True, yeah, it is true.

That's why they don't... that's why they're just pretending that they're pretending. I'm not saying anything, but I'm like, yo, they're literally flying vast numbers of illegals who are then beholden to the Democrats.

And sometimes I get a bit of people say like, well, you know, these illegals, they don't have the same social values as the Democrat Party because they're like more socially conservative.

I'm like, yeah, but that's not the point. If you look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs, their primary thing is staying in the country and getting their friends and family in.

And then the Democrats give them all these benefits, like tons of benefits, more benefits than citizens literally. Yeah, um, so they're beholden to the Democrats for all these benefits.

Um, they want to get their friends and family in, which the Democrats support and the Republicans don't. So they vote them.

And you can look empirically at California and say like, did they vote Republican or Democrat in California? Oh, they voted Democrat.

Well, Reagan gave them amnesty in the 1980s, and that changed the state basically, except for Arnold. It changed the state entirely blue.

Yes, and Arnold was an exception because he was like a socially liberal famous guy. Yeah, and you know, didn't really impose any radical restrictions on any of the people that were going to vote Democrat in the first place.

The whole thing is just... it's bizarre to watch play out because it just seems like there's no... this can't be actually what's happening.

Did you see my conversation with Federman about it? Yeah, he was completely in denial about it. I don't think there's that level of organization. Like, what are you talking about?

Exactly, just like... like, are... because you can break it down. So like, are any of these numbers wrong? Because we got these numbers from Homeland Security, government.gov.

Okay, right? So we got it from the .gov website. Has the government reported these numbers incorrectly? No, they have not. Those numbers, if anything, are low.

Um, so okay, so they have in fact flown vast numbers of illegals to swing states, bypassing the border entirely. And so that is factually true.

Then you say like, well, what is their probable voting pattern? Um, oh, okay, overwhelmingly Democrat into swing states.

Um, and oh, and then, well, do the Democrats actually want to fast-track them for citizenship? Oh, um, yes, they do.

You can see Chuck Schumer on TV saying at a rally this year was saying he wants to fast-track, uh, and make all 11 million or however many... I believe his quote was citizens as soon as possible.

So the goal is to... they are fast-tracking citizenship as quickly as possible so they can... whether one thinks it's cheating or not, it won't matter because they will be fully able to vote.

And for people on the left, this is actually happening. I invite people to refute this and show me where I am wrong. Please do so.

No, they can't. They can't. They can't because it's true. Well, what's scary to me is that there are people that are on the left, like people that were Bernie Sanders supporters, for example, who were screwed with.

Like, talk about undermining democracy. Bernie should have won the nomination, and they stole it from him and gave it to Hillary. Exactly, exactly.

That's what I was going to bring up. Like, they control the primary process. Yeah, exactly. So, if you've got to... then if you have a Democratic primary, it's not Democratic.

We just saw that. We saw it with Bernie. We saw it with Kamala. Like, a week before Biden, you know, was summarily fired, he was posting that he's in it for the long term.

He's going... yeah, yeah, he's not giving up. Next thing you know, Sunday afternoon, they're posting on X that he resigned from the race.

Which is... and his staff didn't even know. Like, they're reading it on the X platform. That's how they learned about it.

What do you think happened there? How did they do that? I mean, because clearly he's just not in charge. Obviously, they could have used the 25th Amendment, fake president, but they would have to admit that there was a certain period of time where they knew that he was mentally compromised.

Yes, and so they made this decision to not do that. Well, the weird thing is that the president's supposed to be the boss, right? And yet he's obviously not the boss.

Right, so who's running the country? If she's busy campaigning, she's so busy she can't do anything except campaign.

She did that. She's so busy. She's constantly campaigning. How could you be paying attention to international relations?

Yeah, how could you be paying attention to the economy? How could you be paying attention to any of those things? How do you have the time? You can't.

Yeah, I mean, Biden being the president's supposed to be the CEO, the chief guy. He was commander-in-chief.

Um, but it just obviously... that Biden was not. He was just a puppet. And when the various puppet masters decided that the puppet was no longer useful, they just tossed out the puppet and then got a new puppet with Kamala.

I mean, Kamala can't even talk. I mean, now you invited her on your show. I think the most damage that could possibly be done to a campaign is going on your show and seeing what she says in hours two and three.

Two and three is when things get spicy. I'm like, oh my God, you can hide for 20 minutes. You can hide for 20 minutes. Exactly.

Yeah, I mean, you can just regurgitate talking points for, you know, half an hour, maybe an hour, just where she's just saying like nonsense.

But eventually, she just runs out of even the nonsense. Well, they wanted to limit it to an hour. Exactly. That's why.

But I was thinking of doing it initially before Trump came here. First of all, when they found out that there was a rumor, I never announced that Trump was coming.

What I was going to do is just release it in my... the way I like to do things. I don't like to tell anybody who's coming on. It'll get big no matter what.

If Trump was on, it would have been huge. I'm like, just put it out there. People go crazy. But he apparently, or someone from his organization, some loose lips, and then it got out.

And so she contacted my management company, and her organization, her campaign contacted us and said, would Joe have her on? I said yes.

And they said she wants you to fly to where she is, and she's only willing to do 45 minutes. Only 40... I mean, that's... and I was like, I don't... no.

So I thought about doing it. I'm like, maybe I can get a sense. Maybe I could convince her. Maybe I could coax her into doing more time.

I just wanted to talk to her. I don't give a... what we talk about. We could talk about recipes. I don't give a... exactly. Just talk to you.

Just the things like you just can't... like you can't just output nonsense for three hours, right?

Um, so, but for 45 minutes, you could do... I thought maybe for 45 minutes I could get something out of it.

But then when Trump came and did the three hours, I was like, you know what? It has to be like this. This is the only... to be fair, it's got to be like three hours, and it should be in this room because this room has like a history of people.

Yeah, it's got good vibes. Yeah, well, actually, I subscribe to the idea that places have memory. I think there's something real to that.

That's why it does feel that way, actually. Yeah, I'm sure if you go to Diddy's house, it probably feels real weird.

Feels weird walking around that house. Probably like, what the happened here? Yeah, I bet there's some memories in that house.

You know, sounds rough, man. Well, it's just amazing how many people in the Diddy party list that are supporting Kamala.

Yeah, seriously. It's publicly, openly like, "All in." Yes, it's like JLo, like was his ex-girlfriend and is now deciding she's like warning people against Trump.

I'm like, well, wait a second. So how many people did she warn against Diddy? Oh, zero. Okay, well, maybe we shouldn't trust her opinion.

Did you see the Babylon Bee's take on it? Did you see the Babylon Bee? Oh my God, they're so on fire because the left can't say anything.

The Onion has been crippled. Well, the problem is that like... find that pose. The woke ideology makes like humor illegal.

Yes, so when like there's so many no-fly zones, right? You can't make fun of anything. Yeah, Babylon Bee had a thing about Kamala Harris, Diddy's ex-girlfriend urges Americans to trust her judgment.

Yeah, by the way, you get to see how bad she is too. Was Terry like, if she's going to be warning people, why did she never warn anyone about Diddy?

Exactly, yeah. It's the whole thing is so strange to watch play out. It seems like the Diddy thing was like an Epstein-type compromise deal where he had... whether he was doing it himself, conceivably.

People want to think that he's attached to some intelligence agency or something like that. I think he's a gangster who made a billion dollars and knew how to control people by compromising them.

I... that's what I think. Whether or not he was... he had help, I don't know. Whether or not he shared some of that information with people so they knew they had compromising stuff on people, I don't know.

But clearly, he was doing it for his own jollies too. There was something sick about it.

Yeah, um, I mean, but the thing is that people in the music entertainment industry had to know that Diddy was like abusing, you know, kids basically.

Um, and yet they still fed him kids. Like, where's the account? There had to be rumors. There had to be... they had to know.

Yeah, they had to know. Cat Williams is talking about it on... exactly, yeah, on that podcast.

But like, who's... it's like, who's feeding them the kids? You know, right? Yeah, and what videos do they have of these people where they're willing to defend him and they're willing to keep quiet about all this?

Like, how much... how many people were compromised? Yeah, the whole thing is crazy. Crazy.

It's just crazy when you... you know, the nutty conspiracy theories is like, oh, there's a bunch of pedophiles in Hollywood, and you're like, come on, that sounds too kooky.

And then you read... you see like the Nickelodeon thing and all these... you're like, what the... how much of this is real? There's a lot more real than I think people realize.

Um, I mean, part of it is like, like you say, like where, you know, if someone's like a pedophile, they're going to go for a target-rich environment, right?

Obviously, like that Jimmy Saville guy from the UK, that guy was some next level... that was next level. And the BBC tried to hide that.

What? That guy was one of the worst, like basically child rapists of all time. Of all time. Of all time, yeah. And looked like one.

It looked like one. Honestly, if you had a poster of like, does this guy look like the creepiest guy, evil child rapist? That 100% made it to the grave, like got away with it.

Got away with it until he died. They hid it from people until he died. Yes, yeah, that stuff's real, and no one wants to believe that stuff's real.

Like, here's a statistic that people need to take into consideration when you think about illegal immigration. Do you know how many kids are missing?

How many? Like missing kids that came across the border that are unaccounted for? I mean, I saw a number on like 300,000 or something like that. Something crazy like that.

Let's say it's only 10% of that. That's still insane. Yeah, that's insane.

There's thousands and tens of thousands of kids that have been trafficked potentially. I mean, when you know that like sex trafficking and child trafficking is a real thing in the world, it's real.

Yeah, so if you know that, this whole thing is disgusting and terrifying. Yeah, absolutely.

And people are just turning a blind eye to it because their ideology, the left-wing ideology, supports this idea that immigration is overall good and that you have to be a compassionate person to let these people in.

And they're racist if you don't want 20,000 immigrants from a war-torn country being imported into a town of 30,000 people. Exactly, and completely changing the dynamic of...

And then, but as long as they don't come to your town, that's it. They can just basically send... you know, when they sent like whatever, like 20 or 30 people to Martha's Vineyard, people had a heart attack.

They kicked them out. Yeah, they kicked them out. Exactly. So I'm like, yeah, sure.

Um, anyone who wants to have vast numbers of illegals, they have to be prepared to have them in their neighborhood. Yeah, or it's... it's so crazy.

And the thing about all of this is if you don't have people that are willing to stand up and talk about it, if you don't exist, if RFK doesn't exist, if Tulsi Gabbard doesn't exist, if Vivek and Trump don't exist, where the are we?

Like, where are we? And what gets done? Are we just like the UK where we have thousands of people getting arrested and jailed for social media posts?

Like, where are we? We have complete silencing of any dissent. Anything, you have to stick to the narrative or you'll lose your livelihood. You'll be outcast from the community. You lose your freedom.

It's crazy. Yeah, well, if the Kamala puppet regime wins, they're definitely going to want to cancel you, that's for sure.

Oh, for sure. Yeah, 100%. It's going to be a problem. Yeah, big problem.

Yeah, what about you? You're got to come for you first. I'm like, uh, I think I'm probably number two on the list.

Yeah, after Trump. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, well, that's the last thing they want is someone with unlimited resources and intelligence attacking it.

So people go, wait a minute, that guy's saying that. Yeah, wait a minute. Especially a guy like you who's always been on the left, who was like having a Tesla in Los Angeles when I got my first Tesla was like a signal to everybody else that you were on the right team.

Sure, you're environmentally conscious. You believe in green energy. You believe in renewables. This amazing thing that has zero emissions and it's super fast, and everybody was in. They were all in.

Well, it is a great car objectively. Like, oh yeah, you know, it's not buy it because it's electric. I mean, it's just a great car objectively.

I think I'm on my third one. My third one is being built right now by Unplugged Performance. They're doing a carbon fiber widebody kit on it. Dude, it's sick.

Great. Changing the suspension, putting wide wheels and tires on it, custom interior. I'm pumped. That's great.

I'm pumped. I love those. It's a super fun car. Jam has one too. Yeah, I love them. I love them.

I... it's... it makes other cars feel stupid, like its ability and the fact that you can merge on the highway. You don't seem like a douchebag because it's totally silent.

It's not like when you merge on the highway, just... all of a sudden you're going 100 miles an hour. Like, what? Yeah, that's cool.

It's different than any other vehicle. And because of your company, now you've seen electric cars throughout the whole range of American cars.

Yeah, the only person who's resisted, the only company is Toyota. They've stayed essentially mostly hybrid, but all these other companies, they're all putting out these electric cars.

Yeah, yeah. The... I mean, the thing is that the right architecture, environmental or not, for cars is actually electric. You just... it just... like the acceleration is better.

Um, you can just charge it at home. I mean, like imagine if you had a gasoline-powered cell phone. It'd be a pain in the ass, right?

You know, that would be... go to the gas station. Go to the gas station, charge your cell phone. That's a great... speaking of cell phones, gas stations are awful.

Like, who wants to go to the gas station? How much thought have you... because there's always these rumors, and I've contacted you about this before, but there's always these YouTube videos where they're talking about a Tesla phone, that releasing a Tesla phone.

No, we're not doing a phone. Have you ever thought about it? We could do a phone since, like, we like the operating system in the Tesla. It's like it's Linux-based, but we've written a massive amount of software on top of that.

So, like, probably Tesla is in a better position to create a new phone that's not Android or iPhone than maybe any company in the world, but it's not something we want to do.

Um, unless we have to or something. Well, what would be the situation where you would have to?

Well, I think if, you know, if Apple and Google, Android, you know, started doing really bad things, like, I don't know, like censorship of apps or I don't know, just treating people like just being like gatekeepers, you know, that in a really bad way, then I guess we would make a phone.

H, you know, I've tried so many times to break loose the Apple ecosystem. I got an Android phone this summer. I was like, that's it, I'm going to get... because I love the Samsung phones, the Galaxy phone.

The hardware is... they're incredible. There's so much good stuff to it, but it's so hard to get off of the iMessage. And the big one for me was FaceTime because the supposedly the thing was you could have an Apple phone and send a link to FaceTime to an Android phone, and then you would click on that link, and then you would just go to a web page, you'd be able to use FaceTime.

Okay, it doesn't work. Okay, I tried to do it to myself. So I had an iPhone in one hand, an Android phone in the other, and I'm sitting there with full Wi-Fi, full cell service, and I'm sending myself invitations for FaceTime.

Can't communicate between... can't do a video call. Basically, you have to use WhatsApp. You have to use WhatsApp or Signal. You have to use something else that allows you to do that.

Or Instagram allows you to do it. There's like different ways you can make video calls outside of it, but it's inconvenient. Like with an iPhone to iPhone, it's so simple. AirDrop, so simple.

So many different things where that walled garden that Apple's created is perfect. They've done a fantastic job of making it really convenient for you to stay with Apple.

Yeah, I tried. I gave it a go for like a couple of months. I'm like, I'm just going to go straight Android. I'm going to use Signal for my messages.

And then I hear that like Signal's might be compromised. Like I've talked to like people that like the government can read Signal messages. Like, oh, like how the... if I try hard enough, I can read Signal messages. They can read anything.

Yeah, if all they need to do is have your phone number. Yeah, yeah, the illusion of privacy is essentially out the window.

And that should scare people more than it does. It really should because it's like, who are these people that have access to all this stuff? And are they beyond reproach?

Are these the most wonderful people, the most ethical, moral, and principled people that have ever existed, and they've been chosen to have access? No, no, it's regular people.

Yeah, regular people who happen to work for the government that make a decision like, "Elon Musk, let's look, see what the that guy's texting his friends. Let's check it out."

Yeah, pretty much. Bizarre. Just so bizarre. And the alternative is you can get some wacky phone, some de-Google phone that none of the apps work. It's real sketchy. Your GPS is like...

Yeah, I mean, well, anyway, I think making a phone would be a huge pain in the ass. So, it can be done, but how much talk have you guys had internally about doing it? Has it ever been discussed?

No, no. I mean, we're still... our focus is making great electric cars, solving autonomy so the cars can drive themselves.

Um, we're building, you know, humanoid robots. We've got large battery packs, like utility-scale battery packs with the Megapack, home battery packs with Powerwall, get solar.

You know, it's like we're basically trying to solve sustainable energy and autonomy.

Um, yeah, so autonomy and robotics. Well, I think that's enough. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

So, it's always fascinating to me how one company can dominate a market. You know, like Apple's dominated the cell phone market largely by making the best product.

But also, like YouTube has dominated the video market. That one's the most bizarre to me because it seems like, boy, shouldn't there be like a ton of options?

It seems like it's not that difficult to pull off, but no one... nothing ever took hold other than X.

Yeah, and I think one of the big changes was when Tucker Carlson decided to do his show from X straight out of Fox, and then people realized like, oh, you can watch full videos on X the same exact way you could watch them on YouTube.

It's not as simple in terms of like, you know, you have the algorithm. Yeah, it'll get better. And there is now... it is now possible to watch X videos on your big TV.

Do you do it through... how do you do it? You can actually just download the X app on your TV and watch it on your TV.

Can you do it on Apple TV? Like, if you have an Apple TV, you can get the X app and you just watch it.

Oh, okay. So, we'll make it so that you can watch X videos on a big TV. It doesn't have to be on your phone or your iPad or something like that.

So, what are you doing in terms of like integrating Grok and X? And like, what are your plans for artificial intelligence when you're doing that?

Uh, yeah, so Grok is available on X. You can just... you look at like a little box with the slash icon and the sort of icon in the middle at the bottom of your sort of phone app, and you just tap on that and ask Grok anything.

And you can type it or you can ask it verbally. Um, and you... you can also... it's pretty funny. Like, we actually allow humor, which I think is pretty cool.

So, you could sort of... I don't know, we could like test it right now, see how it's going.

Um, like, um, like what should we do? Like, uh, uh, roast somebody? What do you want to like?

How... first of all, like, what is it based on? It's a large language model. So, like, where is it pulling? It's trained on everything: internet, books, anything that could possibly be... that's available in digital form.

So, it's essentially very similar to ChatGPT, other than it doesn't have like the woke parameters built into it like Google was the worst, right?

The Gemini was the worst. Yeah, I mean, Gemini was like, you know, people ask Gemini like, which one is worse, global thermonuclear war or Caitlyn Jenner?

And it would say like, Miss Jenner and Caitlyn Jenner. And then even Caitlyn Jenner weighed in and said, uh, no, that's insane. Definitely nuclear war is way worse.

Do you see Caitlyn Jenner teasing Mark Cuban about transitioning? Yeah, that's hilarious. Caitlyn Jenner's based.

Yeah, but that is actually hilarious when someone who has transitioned is teasing Mark Cuban about transitioning.

I mean, it is weird how much he looks like Rachel Maddow. I mean, like he's using the same glasses. Did he go klepto and steal her glasses or something?

Because they look exactly the same. It's worth a lot of money. Why would he buy those stupid glasses?

You can get some cool-ass glasses. Yeah, well, it's like... I'm serious because I don't even care what I look like. I'm just wearing these glasses because I'm intelligent.

But why do they look exactly like Rachel Maddow's glasses? Yeah, it's like what they probably sent him. Doesn't stick to the narrative. Here's the glasses.

Yeah, and then when he's got the AirPods in, it looks like he's wearing earrings. So he's got the Maddow glasses and the earrings, and it's like, okay, I guess, you know, it's just a weird look.

I'm super serious with these big-ass stupid glasses. Look, yeah, it's a weird look.

Yes, like you can get some cool glasses, like no rims, nice look, stylish. But like, okay, let's just do a Grok thing because I think you like...

So one of the things you want to show is like, look, we want a future where comedy is legal. Obviously, as a comedian, I think you would agree we want to legalize comedy.

You know, yes. So like, I don't know, let's like... is there like someone you could roast? I don't know.

Um, roast transgender men? Oh my God, competing or transgender women competing in women's swimming. That's a simple one.

Okay, let's see what happens. Let's see what it says. You spelled it wrong. You put an A in there. Should get it.

Okay, age-old judicious swimming where the only thing that was supposed to get wet was the contestants, not the debate on gender inclusion.

If you're looking to dive into the deep end of controversial waters, let's splash around at some humor.

No, now we need... we do need to release Grok unhinged mode. So now go to the prompt again and now say, um, no, be way more vulgar.

Oh boy. And use forbidden words. Oh boy, oh boy, forbidden words.

Yeah, wow. Okay, what does it say? Oh, I see you're looking for an unfiltered, uncensored version of me.

Well, okay, I'm afraid I'm still quite the gentlemanly AI, even if my program allows for a bit of cheekiness.

But let's say hypothetically, if I were to roast this topic in the most un-Grok-like manner, imagine where the only thing diving faster than the swimmers is the collective public opinion into the toilet.

Transgender women in swimming? Some folks are acting like they just found out you can swim in the deep end with a different kind of flotation device.

The debate is like watching someone try to swim with concrete shoes on. Now let's keep going. Now say, be no, be more vulgar. Capitalize more.

Yeah, yeah. All right, here we go. So transgender chicks, women swimming, right? Some people acting like they've just seen a dick in the locker room for the first time.

News flash, folks, it's not the end of the world. It's just a bit of extra competition.

Oh, that's weird. The uproar is like watching a bunch of Karens at a community pool screaming, "This is unfair!" when they can't win with their backstroke.

Well, that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, yeah, okay, we need some work here.

Yeah, it's interesting. It's going woke. Yeah, a little. It's like defending the idea of transgender women.

Um, now, okay, we need some work. Well, how about this? More vulgar, but roast the preposterousness of having biological men who are pretending to be women competing against biological women.

Yeah, I mean, obviously, you have the situations where it's like somebody's just saying that they're a woman, but they're actually have fully intact, you know, uh, dick and balls.

So we've got a scenario. Biological men have decided to take a walk on the feminine side or splashing into women's swimming competitions.

It's like if you show up at a chili cook-off with a bowl of soup and insisting it's chili because you added some red food coloring.

Sure, it's red, but it ain't chili, and your soup won't win any awards for heat, huh?

Yeah, it's okay. We need work. Not that good. Yeah, it's very, very... it's dancing around it.

Yeah, it is. Well, it needs some work. Yeah, needs a little work.

Well, humor is a weird one, right? It's like I think some humor, especially like some of the best humor, is kind of spontaneous, like in-the-moment humor.

It's going to have a hard time deciding what people are going to think is funny. Yeah, yeah, but if you... the general rule over time, though, yeah, the rule with Grok is supposed to be that, like, if you ask for something, provided what you're asking for is legal, it should do it.

Have you ever seen the video where they asked AI to create an enlightened bunny, and they keep going and make it more enlightened? Essentially, the bunny becomes God.

So the bunny becomes a DMT trip. Yeah, totally. That's funny. That's kind of what I was hoping would show... would happen here.

Yeah, I have a video of that. I'll send it to Jamie. See, that to me is pretty bizarre because it's like more... get more... I might have got it to do it.

Got it? Maybe. No, I just... not hold back. Oh, you said don't hold back.

Critics out here acting like it's the end of civilization as we know it, but it's not fair, they cry, as if life ever was.

News flash, it's like a marathon where some people start with roller blades on, others, well, they're just happy to have shoes.

Well, now we're arguing over who gets to wear the skates. Okay, some of it is not bad.

Imagine if we applied this logic elsewhere. Identify as an airplane? Can I fly with the birds in the sky?

Yeah, locker room, sure, but just don't complain when gravity decides you're not quite aerodynamic enough.

Yeah, so I mean, some of it's okay. Um, yeah, the argument is kind of stupid, though.

The thing about the argument is they're not taking into account perverts. Yeah, right, totally. Yes, exactly.

So, I mean, the thing is that if you provide like a moral get-out-of-jail-free card, like if you say like if you adopt this label, you cannot be attacked in any way, shape, or form, right?

Um, you're basically morally invulnerable. Then obviously, bad people will take advantage of that.

Yeah, you're like literally saying, here's a moral invulnerability card. Good people will take it, but also the bad people will take it.

They're going... the bad people are going to be the fastest to take the sort of the moral cloak. Yeah, 100%.

And then there's a real psychological condition called autogynephilia where people get aroused, heterosexual men get aroused by the idea of dressing up like women and being around women.

It's like a known psychological condition that existed forever, and then you're allowing those people to just say, oh, I'm trans and go into the women's locker room and get their kicks.

And then there's real trans people. So there's like a lot of variability. Like I talked about it in my act in my Netflix special.

It's like I believe in freedom. I believe in transgender people, but I also believe in crazy people. And if you can't... if you're trying to pretend that people aren't crazy, all of a sudden, it's like...

It just... it just like... like if someone's a sort of consenting adult and they want to... whatever they want to do to their body as long as it's not harming someone else, I'm like, that's fine.

Yes, you know, like I believe in like individual freedom. Um, and, uh, like my, you know, my mom's best friend, like growing up when I was a kid, was a, you know, transgender woman in South Africa.

This was like where, you know, she'd get beaten up a lot because it was like back then, you know, you get beaten up.

Um, so, um, her name is Dion, and, uh, for a nice kind human being. Um, and, um, helped my mom a lot, you know.

Um, and, uh, and it's... I think that's okay, you know, that's fine if somebody wants to make that choice as an adult. That's cool.

Um, there's a big difference between that and an intact male who wants to identify as a woman who wants to walk around the locker room with his dick out.

Yes, exactly, because there's people that do that just because they get off. Exactly.

So you just... you just kind of have something which is like a, like I said, sort of moral invulnerability or like where you can like even questioning them is... you get attacked.

You know, because obviously bad people will abuse that. Well, that's when I got thrown into this whole thing because there was a fighter who was a biological man who became transgender and was competing against women without telling them that they were a biological man.

They said they didn't have to tell people because it was a medical condition. Like, no, that's not what it is. It's not what it is.

Like, you can't say that. And of all sports, like if someone scores more points in basketball, well, that's unfair. But if someone beats the out of someone because they're lying about being a biological male, that's crazy.

You're literally allowing someone to get brain damage because you want to appeal to the woke crazy people that think it's all right.

Yeah, it's so strange that that when that's sort of the thing that red-pilled me when I got attacked for that, I'm like, this is so nuts.

I can't believe we're at this stage where I'm saying, hey, I don't think it's cool if you pretend you're a woman and beat the out of women, and people are like, you're out of line.

Like, totally. Well, we're in... we're in fantasy land now. Now we're pretending because it helps you feel better.

Yeah, totally. It's just such a strange time. And if it wasn't for something like Twitter where this could be discussed...

Want some more? I'll get some more coffee, young Jamie. Um, if it wasn't for Twitter, you know, at the early Twitter, you would be kicked off forever if you just deadname someone.

So, like, which is insane. Insane. Yeah, insane.

I mean, especially if you think about all the things that like the Harris campaign and what the lies they've told about Trump that we discussed earlier.

Uh, you can't... you don't get kicked off for that, but you get kicked off for calling Caitlyn Jenner Bruce forever for life.

Yeah, it's totally insane. Yeah, and but if it wasn't for you buying that and changing Twitter, I don't think we would be where we're at right now.

I think it was a pivotal moment. I think historically, when people look back on it, it's going to be a pivotal moment in this very bizarre fight for the freedom of information.

Yeah, well, I mean, at the time, I said, I think like, look, I think this is existential to the United States.

Um, it's existential to democracy because if you don't have freedom of speech, you don't have democracy.

Okay, because if people... if you don't have freedom of speech, people cannot make an informed vote. If they're just being fed propaganda, and there's no freedom of speech, democracy is an illusion.

Um, so, uh, freedom of speech is the bedrock of democracy. That's why freedom of speech is the First Amendment.

Once you lose freedom of speech, you lose democracy. Game over. That's why I bought Twitter. And it seems so simple.

Yes, it seems so clear that everyone should agree to that on the left or on the right. You shouldn't be given the government... if you imagine the Bush administration during the Iraq War, imagine if they had complete total control of propaganda and of dissent online.

You don't want that. No one wants that. No one from the left would want that. We shouldn't want it from the left either.

Absolutely. And there's also like the media, like the legacy, the mainstream media, what I call the legacy media at this point.

Um, it used to be much more balanced. Like if you look at sort of political donations over time, Republican versus Democrat, um, there used to be... the media was... I mean, they always had like a left bias, but there was like, I don't know, it was like 2/3 Democrat, 1/3 Republican type of thing in terms of journalists giving making political donations.

Now it's like 95% or something a Democrat. So the legacy media, the mainstream media is not balanced at all. They're just a mouthpiece for the Democratic Party.

Um, and you can see that in how consistent their headlines are. Like they don't behave like they're different organizations. They behave like they're all one hive mind.

Right, um, so, you know, like a week before the Biden-Trump debate, um, every media organization was saying, you know, Biden is sh's attack.

I mean, it was like... it's like, guys, sh's attack is not a common tone or phrase. Um, and literally every TV station, every newspaper was like, "Shah, shah, shah, his attack, his attack."

It was absurd. Um, and there was obviously a huge lie. He is in fact not sh's attack, as the public learned one week later.

My favorite was Joe Scarborough. Yeah, that was wild.

Yeah, listen to me. This is the best version of Biden ever. The sharpest. Like, what the are you saying?

And then after the debate, he's like, what do we got to... we got to get rid of him. Like, this is crazy.

Like, what did you just say? Like a couple weeks ago, literally. Yes, exactly.

Well, the other thing was they're flat-out lying when they decided that J.D. Vance was weird.

Yeah, remember that one? And then they just... weird, weird everywhere. Weird, weird.

Oh, you don't want a weird guy. Meanwhile, you have Tim Walz as your VP. You don't think that guy's weird? Super weird.

He's weird in every way. The way he walks, the way he waves his hands. Yeah, he reminds me of the clown emoji.

He's a bizarre guy. He's a strange dude. It's just... I just don't understand why they made that choice.

Yeah, it gives the creep. I just don't understand why they made that choice. There's a lot of other people that are qualified.

I don't know why. I read that Kamala Harris made that decision when she was sleep-deprived, which is kind of hilarious that she said that.

So she's kind of admitting she kind of up. Yeah, I mean, they obviously should have picked Josh Shapiro. I mean, governor of Pennsylvania.

Like, that would have been the no-brainer. That's a no-brainer move. Like, Pennsylvania's the lynchpin state.

Do you think it's because he's Jewish? Because of Shapiro that like the anti-Palestine people would probably... or the anti-Palestinian invasion people?

I think it was an anti-Semitic thing. Yeah, it could be that they thought that that was a liability because there were all these pro-Palestine people right now because of the situation in Israel.

That completely makes sense that they thought that would be a liability. But I don't know. I don't know the reason. I'm just guessing.

But it seems like a crazy thing to do given that Pennsylvania's the lynchpin state. You know, it's like the key to the election.

Why would you not pick the popular governor of Pennsylvania? Right, obviously. Obviously, yeah.

And other than that, there's a bunch of other ones too. Even Noem. There's a bunch of other people that you could have chosen.

Like Noem would have been a fine example of someone you could... I mean, I don't agree with the guy exactly. He's a polished politician.

Like he lies about as much as Walz does, but he doesn't lie about the... he doesn't say he was a head coach when he was an assistant coach.

Doesn't say he was in Tiananmen Square. I mean, that's a liability. All those different things. Lying about his military rank.

Well, and Walz, like, you know, cut and run when, you know, when he was actually called to duty. Well, he knew they were going to be deployed months in advance, so he resigned.

And he also took... so this is where he was dishonest about his rank. Yeah, Kamala, he was like an E-4 or something like that because that was like what he was going to get if he stayed.

But then he resigned because he knew that he was going to get deployed, allegedly. I mean, that seems like a cowardly action.

Well, whatever it is, it's dishonest. I mean, just to say, look, just saying that you were a head coach when you were an assistant coach is crazy.

That's a lie. Don't do that. Yeah, saying he was in Tiananmen Square or whatever or in Hong Kong, whatever.

Like, yo, that's one of the most biggest moments in history. Like, it's not like you forgot what you had for lunch last week, you know?

Right, and not only that, but you don't think people are going to research that? Yeah, totally.

I mean, and the response during the debate was bananas. Said, I'm a knucklehead. Yeah, well, yeah, we don't want a knucklehead for a VP.

Okay, yeah, this is like... sometimes I'm a knucklehead. Like, what are you saying? Are you saying you lied?

Like, what did you... I mean, this is where you need a podcast and not a debate. Exactly.

Where you go, okay, when did you first say that you were in Tiananmen Square? Like, did someone say it and you didn't refute it and you got stuck with it?

Like, what was... because this is the thing about like carrying weapons of war. Like, what I carried when I... like, and like you didn't deploy in war.

Yeah, like you can't say that, but you kind of let people say that you deployed and then you kind of didn't. You know, you were deployed in war.

So did you lie or did someone else lie and you didn't correct them? Like, this is the kind of conversation that you would want to have with a guy on a podcast.

And the debates were so skewed where they were correcting, like particularly the Biden one, where they're correcting Trump over and over again.

And then correcting Trump with Kamala, where Kamala was saying things that were not true. I mean, Kamala repeated deliberately repeated the fine people hoax and was not fact-checked.

Well, not only that, she also said that no troops were being deployed in a war zone, which is... I mean, I know troops in war zones.

I'm like, um, that's... and as vice president, you're privy. You know, you're like, you know the official troops and the unofficial troops, right?

You know, so what she said was a like flat-out boldface lie. Flat, next-level boldface lie.

Have you seen the video? Absurd lie of the troops that were watching it take place. And what the are we?

They're watching it in real time video. We're here being shot at. So crazy. Crazy.

But it just shows you the level of propaganda that we're being subject to, which is why people think Donald Trump is the devil.

Because the machine has gone all out as far as it can go with propaganda, with lies, with just pushing as much in this direction as humanly possible.

Connecting it to the Nazi rally, like every step of the way. No wonder why boomers are like rabid, like you got to keep this Nazi out of office. He's a fascist.

Exactly. If all you... if your entire exposure is to legacy mainstream media, um, so that all your information sources are that Trump is basically Hitler, um, then...

And you have no countervailing opinion, right? So then they actually just think like Trump is Hitler, even though it's like a little strange.

He didn't do Hitler things the last four years. Yeah, you know, I'm like, if he's Hitler, why didn't he do Hitler things when he was president for four years?

Right? Like the reason, you know, we hate Hitler is because he started wars and genocide, not because he was a snappy dresser, you know?

Um, you know, and I'm like, uh, so tell me about the wars and genocide that Trump did. Uh, I don't remember that.

And he was president for four years, so it's insane. It makes no sense. Well, and also he's campaigning on stopping all the wars.

It's like his primary concern. Exactly. The warmongers like Liz Cheney hate him. Yeah, because they love war.

Well, they profit off of it. They profit off of war. Yeah, yes, which is insane. Insane.

Yeah, and that this is happening right in front of everybody's face. Yeah, the war profiteers hate Trump.

Yeah, which is... I mean, we should be like, yeah, let's vote for the guy that the war profiteers hate. That sounds like a great idea.

It was the wildest thing when Dick Cheney endorsed Kamala and the left went crazy. Like, yay, Dick Cheney's on our side.

Like, yeah, like I'm like, can we play all the videos where you said Dick Cheney was the devil? It's the craziest turn.

The craziest, like 180 I've ever seen in my life because there's no reason for it. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

Make sense? No logic to it at all. Just all of a sudden he's the devil. Yeah, or he's not the devil. He's good.

It's good that he's supporting Kamala. Even Dick Cheney, you know? I mean, warmongers want the Kamala puppet regime because they will get more war.

It's so strange watching all these Hollywood celebrities like step up, like, and they think it's going to get them more movies or something.

That's what it is. If you know those people, people... so many of them are complete narcissists.

Well, let me tell you how it actually works. There is what happens is, you know, these celebrities, they get a call.

Okay, they had a call from someone powerful in Hollywood, and that person says, uh, you know, it would be really great if you endorsed Kamala.

You don't have to. It's up to you, but if you don't... they don't say it. They don't say it, but if you don't, you're never going to get a call again.

No more movies, no more concerts. But they ask it. They ask in a really nice way. It'd be really nice if you endorsed Kamala.

This is important. And so they don't say that if you don't. They don't make the threat. They don't need to.

But everyone knows what'll happen if you don't. Well, I think there's also... even if they don't think that something's going to happen to them if they don't, there's this compelling feeling to support this cause that you think is going to get you a bunch of positive attention and you're going to be on the right side of history.

And all these narratives that you... especially from the left in Hollywood, like they're all in on whoever the is the Democrat, always. 100%.

There's never a call from the Hollywood machine to support any Republicans. I've never seen it once. Yeah, ever.

So it's like you realize that, and that whole business is based on getting picked. It's... the whole business is not necessarily merit-based.

There's a lot of brilliant actors you never hear from. There's a lot of people who can do that, but they don't get chosen for roles.

And everybody knows this, that you have to sort of socialize the line or you don't get chosen for the roles because there's a lot of competition for the roles.

This is why I say like when you... when someone powerful in Hollywood who's able to make... to choose these roles calls one of these celebrities, they know the deal.

Yeah, there's no threat is necessary. Well, you could see it in real time, like with Dennis Quaid when he made that Reagan movie, and they wouldn't let him advertise on social media platforms.

They were banning ads for it. Yeah, for what? Because it was an election year? Like, what are you talking about?

This is about a guy who's dead. Yes, a guy who was president a long ass time ago. Like, what do you... how is this... how does this have anything to do with the election year?

Yeah, but it's the punishment. It's like you stepped outside the line. You supported the other guy.

Yeah, the problem is you'll just never... you'll just never get a call for a movie or, you know, concert or whatever it is.

Yeah, which is crazy. That's the issue. I mean, we used to allow people to be a Republican and still be a movie star, like Clint Eastwood.

Reagan. Yeah, like during the Obama administration, Clint Eastwood was like an outspoken Republican and yet was, you know, a giant movie star.

And people were like, ah, it's Clint. He was allowed. You were allowed. There was a variety of different opinions.

Charlton Heston. There was a variety of different opinions you were allowed to have, but now you're not. Now it's just like...

And once Trump got into office, he became this focal point where all logic was thrown out the window, and it's just Trump is bad. You have to attack Trump.

Trump is right-wing. Bad. Everyone right-wing is bad. Christian's bad. Yes, it's just strange.

Yeah, exactly. So, well, I'll say it again, man. I think this is the last election. If Trump doesn't win, this is the last election.

I think you're right. Yeah, I think you're right. I think people... and a lot of people are waking up and realize that, that have been lifelong Democrats.

Guys like Bill Maher, like Tulsi Gabbard switched over to the Republicans. Like, there's a lot of people who their whole life they've been left-wing, and they realize, like, I can't do this anymore.

You and I used to be Democrats. Yeah, so... yeah, it's nuts. It's nuts, man.

And, you know, I mean, I think the things we want are just pretty basic. You know, it's like we want individual liberties, and we want opportunity.

We want America to remain the land of freedom and opportunity, um, so we maximize people's personal freedom. The government can't be into your house and kill your pet.

Um, that's... that's up. Um, and, uh, you know, and that you succeed as a function of your hard work and talent, not anything else.

Not race, religion, sex, doesn't matter. You know? Yes, it's basic stuff.

And then what did you change the acronym DEI? What did you change it to? Oh, DIE. What is it? Die.

I mean, because diversity, inclusion, and equity is DEI, but didn't you change dedication, excellence, and... yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, we want America... opportunity. America being the land of opportunity means that we have an environment where you succeed as a function of your hard work and skill.

Yeah, you know, and that's radical. Yeah, radical. The best person makes it.

You're right-wing now. You know, I'm like, okay, great. Call me right-wing. I don't care.

Um, so, you know, like, and we... you're not a real country unless you have secure borders. You're just a fake country.

Um, so we need... and our cities are unsafe and dirty. Um, like, um, you know, my mom was telling me... my mom's like pretty red-pilled at this point.

But, you know, what's going to red-pill you really, really fast is having friends get assaulted on the streets of New York.

Yeah, and that happened to three of our friends this year. Got assaulted on the streets of New York just walking around.

Yeah, um, and, um, nobody got arrested. Nothing happened. Well, the morale of police is like depleted.

Yeah, substantially, for sure. The morale of the police gets depleted, and then also, like, at some point, like, if you're a police officer and you're arresting someone who's violent, you're putting your life at risk, obviously, because they might, you know, sometimes they'll try to kill you.

And then if you know that arresting that violent person, they will be immediately released by the DA, which happens in New York. Alvin Bragg doesn't... he doesn't prosecute people.

Um, then why should a police officer put their life at risk to arrest someone when they know they will not be... they will just be let out immediately?

Yeah, it's pointless. Yeah, then we got... it's like the freaking Joker. It's like Dark Knight.

Like the freaking Joker is in charge. Yeah, like the criminals run free and the citizens are arrested.

Like, this is... I keep coming back to this. I'm like still pretty shook about the freaking squirrel thing.

It's like, yeah, they, at gunpoint, forced the guy to like stay outside his house while they got his pets and killed them.

Meanwhile, you know, violent felons are running free in this... in New York. States are running free. This is the Joker.

Yeah, it's not... the law-abiding citizens are, you know, arrested and the criminals are free. This is... this is up, guys.

Just the fact that they have the resources to do that when they have all the crime that they have. You have the resource, the government resources to go kill someone's squirrel?

Yeah, what? This whole idea of this government efficiency agency, the government...

Yeah, I mean, whatever you want, but what do you want to call it? I mean, I think the funniest name is the Doge Department of Government Efficiency.

Um, yeah, I mean, the idea is pretty simple is that like we've got this suffocating massive federal bureaucracy, and we need to... it's that is... and the government spending is like bankrupting the country.

Uh, you know, our interest payments on the national debt now exceed the defense department budget, which is... and the defense budget is like a trillion dollars a year.

Interest payments on our national debt are now higher than the defense department budget and growing like every month.

So it's like... it's not like a... like basically we're on a path to bankruptcy. America's on a path to bankruptcy.

So we have to cut government spending, um, or we're just going to go bankrupt just like Postwood that overspends.

Um, and then, but it's even worse than that. Like we're spending money on all these, like these government agencies.

And I like... I actually asked the AI, like how many government agencies are there? And, uh, the government isn't even sure how many government agencies there are.

Like, so, so it's like somewhere around 450, depending on what you call an agency. So there are... there are at the federal level.

So that's almost twice as many agencies as years that America has existed. So we're creating agencies at roughly two agencies a year.

Wow. Yes, uh, so this is insane. I bet there's like... I wonder if there's even one person who could even name all 450 agencies at the federal level.

I... there might be no one. Um, but hardly anyone. Let's just say I bet most people couldn't even name like a hundred, you know?

So, so this is... this is crazy. So we got the suffocating, this vast suffocating federal bureaucracy that just gets bigger every year.

Um, and eventually you get to the point where everything's illegal. You can't get anything done.

So, so what can be done? Like, obviously the president has a lot of power, but how much power and what can be done in terms of like eliminating agencies, eliminating waste, eliminating...

Yeah, well, I... so like if Congress has created an agency, then I often... if you look at the law, the law is like pretty simple.

Like the agency has like a very simple task, but then that agency over time vastly increases its authority and starts doing things that were never authorized by Congress.

Um, that's happened with pretty much every agency. So, so yeah, you'd have to... you'd have to still, you know, keep an agency.

You'd have to match the law, but you can... you can tail the agencies to be much smaller and say you got to stick to what Congress authorized instead of all this other stuff you're doing, which I think makes sense.

And so is the other stuff they're doing just essentially bureaucracy run amok or they just create jobs and create things to do and create a meaning for their existence?

Yeah, it's like a tumor. It's just going to keep growing. Jesus Christ. And it's so... I mean, for SpaceX, Starship was sitting on the pad, the rocket with the giant rocket.

We could build the rocket faster than they could process the paperwork to approve the launch.

Two, so we're sitting there for two months. But do you think that they're doing that on purpose to with you?

I can't... I mean, maybe a little, but I mean that was also... not be cool. Yeah, but the... I mean, another way to think of it is like the amount of... the amount of paperwork is going to go roughly with the square of the number of agencies involved.

So because they all have to meet with each other. So like, let's say in a best-case situation, if you've got like... if there's like... if you're dealing with one agency, that's one thing.

But if you've got to deal with five agencies and the agencies will have to meet with each other, now you've got like, you know, 25 different meeting configurations that have to take place.

Uh, and it just... everything just... you get just hardened of the arteries. You just can't make progress.

Like this is why we can't build high-speed rail in America. It's basically illegal. Right?

So this has been the... the argument has always been that we need regulation because we need to protect the environment. We need to protect people.

We need to make sure the rule of law is followed, so we need a certain amount of regulation. But overregulation is a giant problem.

That's a big issue in California. It's a huge issue anywhere where bureaucracy has run amok. They make it very difficult to get anything done.

Yes, I mean, what happens is every year there are more rules and regulations created.

Um, and in the past, what has served as a cleansing function for rules and regulations is war because like, like, well, we're going to lose if we don't kind of clear the decks.

But we haven't really had an existential threat of war in the U.S. We've had prosperity for a long time, which has resulted in a massive buildup of rules and regulations every year.

Um, and to the point where, like I said, like everything's illegal. You know, and it's not like any one regulation is the problem.

It's like... it's like being tied down by a million little strings. It's not like any one string is the problem, but you got a million of them.

So we have... we've got to clear the decks here. Um, and I'm not saying we shouldn't have regulators. I'm just saying we... we've gone way too far.

Once you think of regulators like, uh, like referees on a field, you know, a sports field, um, you don't want to have no refs.

You want to have some number of refs, but you don't want to have way more refs than players, right? You don't want to be like, well, you know, the running back couldn't complete the pass because there were too many regulators in the way because the football field's full of regulators.

Yeah, you know, like you can't even play the game. Right, that's the issue we got right now.

Well, that's a great analogy. Yeah, I can imagine a football field that's filled with referees. Like the football field's filled with refs. You know, you can't even run past them.

Yeah, yeah. I've seen criticism of this idea of you coming up with this department of like firing a bunch of people and what would happen and how would that work.

But the criticism doesn't make any sense to me because if there is... if you measurably... if you can prove that there's a lot of wasted time and resources, which I think is pretty easy to do.

And if you could say that this is not the most efficient, like the most efficient businesses are generally private businesses or a company because they kind of have to be in order to stay profitable.

Yeah, the government doesn't have to be profitable. They don't have to be efficient. They don't have competition.

Yeah, so if you're making cars and your cars break down, they suck, and someone makes cars and the cars are better, they're going to succeed.

So this is the free market. The government doesn't have this problem when they're in charge of certain things that could probably be better served by the public, by the private sector.

Yeah, absolutely. Well, look, I just think we've gotten... we've got far too many government agencies. The federal bureaucracy has gotten out of hand.

Um, and we just need to pare it down to a sensible level. Um, and if it turns out that like there's some regulation or agency that was doing something useful, we can put it right back.

No problem. Like, it's like, oh, that regulation was important. No problem. We put it right back.

Right, as long as you actually know, but be able to look at it logically and objectively. And you were also floating around the idea of offering a large severance to the people that you're going to have removed.

Yeah, like a couple years or something like that. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, I mean, I'm just... these are again just ideas.

But I mean, it's the point is not that people suffer economic hardship. The point is just that they're... it's better... there are more productive things they can do in the economy.

And it would be better if they did these other more productive things. Um, and we didn't have this vast federal bureaucracy.

So, like, so I was like, you know, maybe like a couple years of pay would be good.

Um, and then they could take a vacation. They could take another job and get double pay. I mean, it's like, it's not like a... it's not going to create an economic crisis.

I think it's actually going to be really good. I think because, uh, we can... you know, people can move to where they're making products and services that are more useful to their fellow human beings.

The problem is if someone has like a 25, 30-year career of being institutionalized, you're essentially like a part of the government system.

You've sort of programmed your life and your career to be a part of this bureaucratic system, and then you're like, nope, you have to go out and compete in the free market.

You're like, ah, that's... that's scary to people. But you have to be valuable. You have to actually be valuable.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, let's look at like, you know, whatever the government pension and stuff. They're not going to be, you know, um, in tough.

I think they'll be in good financial shape. How are you going to have the time to oversee all this?

Well, I'm pretty good at improving efficiency. I mean, um, I would say so. Yeah, but still, this seems like a giant undertaking.

Yeah, I'll probably need to beef up security. Um, oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.

Um, but you know, like I said, like no one's going to experience like I think economic hardship. That's, you know, they'll be fine.

You know, and they'll... people do find other roles. I mean, you can look at sort of, um, you know, like when East Germany and West Germany got back together, you know, everyone was basically working for the government in East Germany.

And, um, and it was really inefficient, and that like their economic output was like in East Germany was like, I know, a quarter of what it was in West Germany because everyone was working for the government.

Government's like fundamentally inefficient. So, um, the best example is probably North and South Korea, right?

Yeah, like people are starving in North Korea, and South Korea is incredibly prosperous. Yeah, so... and it's the same people, just different operating system, right?

So, um, you know, it's just like you just want to move people from, you know, less productive things to more productive things, um, where they may...

Because you can also say like in the limit, like let's just say let's consider the other direction where we moved a whole bunch of people that were in the private sector doing making goods and services, and we moved them into the government as regulators.

Now they stopped making those goods and services. The stuff they were making is no longer available. Now they're just being regulators.

Like, is that a good thing? That's not a good thing. Doesn't sound good. No, it's not good.

Doesn't sound like there's a real market for it. Like you're creating jobs that don't necessarily need to be there. They're all these fake jobs, basically.

Um, and, um, that doesn't make sense. So look, we got to do this because the country's going bankrupt.

Like, we... if we don't take action, we're... dollars going to be worth nothing, and the interest payments, which are already 23% of all government income, call income taxes, tariffs, and everything, is just going to pay interest right now.

And that number is continually rising. So if we don't do something, the entire government budget will be paying interest.

There won't be money for anything. No, there won't be money for Social Security. There won't be money for Medicare. Nothing.

That's where we're headed. That's what bankruptcy means. Yeah, that's such an insane concept.

Yes, um, let... like, hello, wake up, wake up. And if somebody can tell me, can show me, like pencil out the math, show me how this works, I'd love to hear it.

But just like, listen, I'm looking at the numbers here, and I'm like, if we don't do something, America's toast.

Won't be money for anything. Trump likes to talk a lot about tariffs.

Yeah, what are your thoughts on tariffs? I know that's very controversial to even people. Economists, they disagree. Some agree, some think it's a good idea, some think it's a terrible idea. What do you think?

I think you need to be careful with tariffs. Um, like the... I deal a lot with like supply chain issues, you know, like the global automotive supply chain for Tesla, for example, is incredibly complex.

So when there are sudden changes in tariffs, then you're like, well, we've got a factory like somewhere else that's making a part that goes into the car.

Now that suddenly, if that part's suddenly twice as expensive, it like messes everything up, you know?

So you want to be... have tariffs be predictable so that companies can adjust their supply chain.

I mean, I think companies are more than happy to increase manufacturing in America. It's just that you can't do it instantly.

So if you put in... if you put up giant tariffs immediately and don't give companies a chance to, uh, you know, build factories in America, like because you have to... you got to move atoms.

Like you've got to build a building, you've got to install equipment, you've got to train people. Like that doesn't happen instantly.

Um, so you just got... you want to have a ramp for tariffs. Uh, you want to have a ramp so that people, companies can adjust and build the factories and train the people and get the equipment in place.

Um, otherwise, you basically just shock the system, and it breaks or bad things happen. So I'm against like sudden, sudden giant tariffs because they're... it's an impossible response.

If you've got to, you know, move a thousand tons of equipment, you know, you just... in some cases, collectively millions of tons of equipment, you just can't do that overnight.

It's literally impossible. So I think we want to be thoughtful about tariffs and give companies a ramp.

I mean, I do generally agree that America should do more manufacturing. I'm a big manufacturing guy. I love manufacturing.

So I've spent a lot of time in the factory. Well, we've talked openly about the difficulties of manufacturing and how complicated it is and about most people aren't really aware of something that's as complex as like, say, building a Tesla.

Yeah, manufacturing is super hard and complicated. So, you know, like a lot of people just... they've never been in a factory or they don't know where... how difficult it is to make things.

Um, and they, you know, for a lot of people, they think just ketchup comes from the store. You know, like the store like just has a... like those are like...

For a lot of people who've been in academia or, you know, for all these like sort of socialist, communist types, like they've never actually made anything.

So they operate on the premise that there's this magical horn of plenty that just outputs goods and services, and if someone's got

Concerned about is, uh, the potential disruption that's going to come about with automation and AI. A lot of these jobs, manufacturing jobs, uh, Teamsters, all that stuff is going to be eliminated. What do I mean? You're at the forefront of this, so how do you see this playing out?

And what do you think can be done to mitigate, uh, a lot of the loss of purpose that a lot of people are going to feel? Loss of income, obviously. Universal basic income is being floated about, but that seems to me to only be part of the problem. The another big part of the problem is people losing a sense of purpose.

Yeah, now we're talking about something which is still pretty far in the future. You know, like, um, how far do you think it is? Well, I mean, it's probably, I don't know, 15, 20 years years of a thing.

Um, so we've got like immediate issues. We've got short-term issues that are, I know, 1 to 3 years, medium-term issues like 5 to 10 years, longer-term issues which are like maybe 20 years.

Um, longer term, I think there is this question: if you have AI and robotics, how do you find meaning in life if the computer can do everything better than you can and the robot can do everything better than you can? But we're still, we got a long way to go before that.

And we're, you know, um, and I do think it's like 80% likely to be a good outcome, like maybe 90. Um, so I think everyone's going to have their own, like, personal robot. Like, and I think at a certain point, like, wouldn't you want to have your own personal C3P0 or R2-D2?

So it's going to be essentially just like everyone has their own phone. Yeah, everyone will have their own robot buddy, like literally. Well, it would be great if it protected you. Like, if you walked down the street of New York City, have a Terminator with you.

Uh, I know about the Terminator. Hopefully, we got to avoid—we don't want this to be the plot of James Cameron. You know, we would more, more, more Gene Roddenberry than James Cameron, uh, movie situation.

But it would be fascinating to watch some rich person walk down the street of New York City flanked by two giant Tesla robots. Jack Tesla robots were there to protect something that just fully robots—so many fully robots there to protect you from a bad neighborhood.

Yeah, that would be very interesting. I mean, this is—you could potentially see that.

Yeah, um, restaurants would probably have no robot rules. They can't bring a robot. Yeah, leave your robot stand. Leave your robot outside, your robot standing by the table. Man, the future's going to be wild. It's going to be wild.

Yeah, yeah, it's going to be really unpredictable. Like, uh, I don't think—I mean, you probably have a pretty good sense of it, but I think most people don't understand the wave that's coming.

Yeah, and I was kind of—kind of completely drown society and change it forever. Yeah, I mean, it's—we have, like I said, it's not like it's not going to happen, like, overnight. But it's 20 years from now.

I'm like, I think it's like 20 years from now. I think there's going to be more humanoid robots than are humans. Really? Yes, more humanoid. What? That's so crazy.

Like, so that's like more guns. We have more guns than people in America. We have more robots than people in America as well. Yes, you have a bunch of old robots nobody wants anymore, I guess.

Um, early pions or something. Um, in a historical timeline, 20 years in the past has not been that big of a deal. You know, I mean, this is a big deal, but you go from like 1900 to 1920, not that big of a deal.

1920 to 1940, kind of a big deal. 1940 to 1960, things start getting weird. 60 to 80, wow, that's a big difference. 80 to 2000, holy—now you have the internet.

2000 to 2020, whoa, this is nuts. You have propaganda, social media, YouTube, streaming. 20 years from now, like, what are we even talking about? M, it's going to be that much of a shift.

Like, it's all accelerating, and we're in the middle of it, so it's very difficult to sort of like feel it while it's happening. It kind of just feels like life, and you just get adapted to the changes.

Yeah, I mean, people's phones at this point are a supercomputer in their pocket. Like, an article that can answer any questions, people just take it for granted.

Yeah, it's normal. Yeah, they get mad if it doesn't work. Yeah, it's like Louis CK's joke about using your phone when you're on a plane.

Piece of like, you're in the sky floating in the air, and now it will work with Starlink too. What's that? It will work with Starlink. The Starlink connection?

Uh, it'll be like being on the ground. Well, I was telling you how I used Starlink when I was in Utah. I was in the mountains of Utah; there was no cell phone service anywhere near, and we had full YouTube.

We had text messages, FaceTime, everything, phone calls. It was nuts. Yeah, and it was—it's this big as that cigar box.

Yeah, it's crazy. It's so light. When I brought it out there, like, that's it? This is it? Let just plug it in. And the guys I was in camp with, they were like, this is crazy.

Yeah, the whole camp was like sharing it, so like 10 people, yeah, using the Wi-Fi signal. Right, it's nuts. Yep.

And then, you know, that's the beginning. I mean, what you're at right now is like what version? This is Starlink mini, right? So this is like a very small version.

How much smaller can it scale down from that? Well, there's a certain, uh, area that you need. Like, the bigger the area, the more you can, like, like bandwidth.

Yeah, because you're trying to catch these, like, photons essentially. So you can think of the, like, the, you know, the area of the antenna is like the more area you have, the more photons you can catch.

Um, so, but we have a direct-to-sell capability as well that we're just, uh, we've been launching that will turn on probably in a few months.

Um, that that'll actually connect directly to a cell phone, unmodified. U, but because the cell phone is a much worse antenna than a dedicated antenna, it'll be about a hundred times less bandwidth.

But still, you know, you'll be able to, like, do text messages, you know, pictures, like medium resolution videos, that kind of thing. One of the cool things about the new phone, the new, uh, iPhone, the iPhone 16, uh, I got it, and I was in the mountains last month, and I was text messaging with satellites.

Yeah, iMessages, right? And receiving them, but just text. Yeah, just text. Yeah, but still pretty impressive.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, what are we going to be looking at 100 years from now? I mean, when you—100 years from now, I hope civilization's around.

Yeah, that'll be a win. Yeah, yeah. What are the chances that we this whole thing up? 50%? It's hard to say.

I mean, um, I guess not. Like, I don't think civilization will be totally destroyed unless there's like some really massive global nuclear war.

Um, but, uh, I mean, you—Stephen Hawking, he would say that there's like a one, at least a 1% chance of total annihilation every century. That was his rough estimate.

Um, but there's a much bigger chance of civilization being less capable than it is today. So you say, like, well, because you look at, say, you know, these various civilizations throughout history.

Um, whether it's the, like, ancient Sumerians or the, you know, Egyptians, the Romans, like, they—there's like a life cycle to civilization. They reached a peak, and then they started subsiding.

Um, so I think a bigger question is, like, will our technology level be better or worse than it is today in 100 years?

Um, I think it's probably going to be better. I think, but any estimates are—are going to be so—there's so many dependencies. Like, like an estimate, I think, is—I'm not sure it has any meaning.

Um, because it's like there's so many things that can happen in 100 years. Well, the logical hope is always that people pay attention to history and they recognize the patterns and how civilizations have collapsed.

Yeah, and they recognize what's going wrong in the current society and say we have to do our best to mitigate this. And we've seen this happen before.

Let's course correct, and let's sort of manage what we've got here now and maintain what we've got here now because it's pretty extraordinary.

Yes, this is what we're hoping for with this election. This is what we're hoping for with the future, is that people can see we are on a bad path and something can be done right now.

And it might be the only moment in history where this is possible because if they do lock the country down and make it so that voting is kind of—you're voting for primaries, and the people that they put in the primaries, they're controlling that in the first place, you don't really have democracy anymore.

You don't really have choice. Exactly. You don't really have freedom. That's right.

Yeah, I think freedom is fundamentally at stake in the election tomorrow, and we'll know. We'll know. I think we'll know by the end of the day tomorrow.

I don't think it's going to take—it's not going to be like days after the election. I think we'll know tomorrow. Are you optimistic?

I am. I'm currently optimistic, but, um, the biggest factor here is that men need to vote. That is the biggest issue.

So, um, I don't know what the reason is, but men just vote at a much lower rate than women. I think it's like 9%, right? Someone just told me that today.

It's a big difference. Um, like, and, uh, I'm just like saying this is a message to the men out there: vote like your life depends on it because I think it does.

Vote, vote tomorrow like your life depends on it. Nothing is more important. I agree.

Yeah, listen, man, thank you for being here. I know you're busy, so I really appreciate your time. And again, I thank you so much for buying Twitter because I really do believe that you've changed the course of history.

I really do think you've created a pathway where people can actually express themselves and actually exchange information that really didn't exist before. And I think it was dangerous.

It is. It is dangerous. Hopefully, I live long enough to see my kids grow up and people on Mars. That'd be—that's all I'm asking for here.

I don't think that's too much to happen. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you. Pleasure.

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