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This is real life. There was a half human, half fish in my room.
Whoa.
When something talk about blind witches inherited with God. What are your truth?
What happens is that their memory is taken when they're living normally. Spiritual covering is like spiritual accountability. And the truth is, we all don't have the same stature in the spirit. So the Lord now opened my eyes. The key people in the kitchen were witches.
What?
Prayer in a church is not just what you do in the beginning of a service.
Every church should have deep intercession. There are people who are more trained in darkness than you might be trained in light. And so, in your position, there are things that these people have cooked up. There was an association of witches, and they put an article together in the media in Nigeria that they were against the series that I was...
If a person has a dream where, say for example, like you said, they're short, what should they...?
Dreams are an expression of what is happening in the spiritual realm.
How does one discern or know what kind of church you go to?
First and foremost, I think it starts with your appetite. You pray that the Lord gives you the right appetite. The lady who I thought was a friend, when she was exposed as a witch, the Lord had given me a vision. In the vision, she takes off her jacket and throws it, and a gentleman who I knew catches it.
Wow.
An angel visited me. One of the most beautiful angels I've ever seen in my life. The makeup of the angel was just diamonds and sapphires, and beautiful angels. I said, "Wow."
Hello there, viewers, and welcome to another episode of Beneath the Surface, where we talk about all things spiritual. Once again, our emphasis is on helping believers understand spiritual realities. The fact that we live and walk in the flesh, the scripture says, but our warfare is not in the flesh, which means, uh, we are physical entities who have a spirit. We also worship God in the spirit, and our adversary is also spiritual. So, you know, it's actually dangerous not to be aware of the spiritual realm, and we have an authority in the spirit.
Uh, and these are the kind of things we talk about here. We bring seasoned guests, generals in the faith, who talk about their ordinary lives but their extraordinary experiences. And once again, we, you know, we continue in an episode we started the last time, uh, with a guest.
But before I say that, I also want to seize this opportunity to once again encourage you to subscribe. Now, if you've not subscribed yet, I, I, you might have come late to this party because if you subscribed, you know what would have happened? You would have gotten notification. You would have been one of the first people to have been notified that this episode is coming up. Uh, and so I want to encourage you before you go any further, subscribe right now.
But I am excited once again to have our guest from the last episode, and we continue from where we stopped. Uh, I was, we, we call her now Apostle Stephanie EK Oafo.
Welcome back. Good to have you. Let's get right back into where, you know, where we stopped from. We were talking about the whole thing about you, um, transitioning from, uh, being a pastor in the local church.
Now, God has called you as an apostle to the city, and you're dealing with, um, you know, principality, you're dealing with entities, you're in intercession, you're doing deliverance, and various things. Now, the question I'm asking myself is, and some might be asking, is this, from what you've said, the level of warfare has increased. You're having witchcraft. You're having all of that stuff. There's a big question I, and I often ask, you know, my guests. People talk about spiritual covering.
If anybody needs covering, in my mind, I'm thinking it must, it must be, it must be someone like you that, you know, when someone is in a church, you know, we take it for granted, something happens, you go and see pastor.
Yeah.
And, you know, you know, they pray along with you, and, you know, so how does that work for you?
Yeah. You know, I think God is so, first, first of all, God is so intentional because when the Lord began speaking to me about the ministry that we have stepped in, that was December of 2020.
And he gave me a vision about, you know, really the vision behind the ministry, but didn't tell me anything else. And there was a knowing I had then that the fullness of what this ministry would, you know, evolve into can only happen in marriage.
And so there is my husband, you know, I tell people this all the time, and it's true. My husband is really my pastor. Um, anyone you've met my husband, anyone that meets him, you know, one-on-one, will know that the hand of God on his life, he, he's really, I call him a sniper in the spirit. Um, my husband is someone who is so effortlessly prophetic, in a way, scary. He would, he will be having a random conversation with you, but it's not random.
If he brings up a name to you just randomly and says, "Hey, how is this person doing?" call that person right there.
Wow.
Something is, there is a need, you know, it, it's, he's, there's a grace on his life. Um, the way I look at it is that God has endowed him with an oil of leadership.
Um, one of the things the Lord revealed to me about my husband is that he's a king maker.
Um, and really, I've seen that he raises people. Um, and he does it in, in the secret. You know, he's very simple. He's in tech. He's, you know, but he's such a secret weapon of the Lord.
He does it with my son.
Oh, yeah. Exactly. He's, no, and he's intentional. It's his heart is really, my husband truly has a heart for people to be and walk in the fullness of who the Lord has called them to be. And so for me, he is, you know, yes, from as a, as my husband, he's my covering, but really he is my covering. And he also has accountability. He, you know, so Apostle Rome is his pastor, is his coverage. So, you know, I do believe that spiritual, I know there's always this debate, and I think it's because it's been so abused, but the, the, the sense of spiritual covering to me really deals, I think I, I love, you know, looking at things in a very practical way. And spiritual covering is like spiritual accountability.
That's really what it boils down to, you know. And the truth is, and this is where humility comes back. We all don't have the same stature in the spirit.
You know, we all love Jesus, you know, and when we are surrendered to him, but we don't have the same stature.
And so there are people, is the same reason why, you know, someone can be dealing with something.
One person has been praying with them for maybe five years, one person just comes and says, "It is well," and, and everything, the matter is solved.
Yeah.
You know, and so because of that, you do want someone who can see beyond where you are.
And that way you have, because, you know, in order for you to have accountability, someone has to see beyond what you can see. And that's the whole essence of spiritual covering, you know. So my husband, you know, even though people see me visibly as a minister, but my husband's stature in the spirit is mighty.
I, it's, it's phenomenal. I like, I like to speak into that because...
I know him personally. Um, I mean, uh, you guys have come at least three to four times, and more so, you know, on this trip, I mean, he's a very gentle, simple, and retire, retire, he's like a secret weapon. But yesterday, I saw, I was like, "Wow, this is," you know, I didn't, I mean, I'd always known that he prayed and all of that, but there a number of things that I was like, "Wow, God is so incredible."
You know, he knows the end from the beginning for, I, I found out yesterday that he'd been praying for you, for his wife, from the age of 16.
16?
And it, I mean, it was 20 years later, he, you got married and all of that. So God had been building him in intercession, and covering has to do with intercession.
Yeah.
You know, I mean, just to speak to a few of the things that you were talking about when you say what, what is covering, it is accountability, but there's a, there are different dimensions to it. There's the dimension of wisdom.
Wisdom. Yes.
Somebody, you know, our parents are covering.
Exactly.
A child's covering. Oh, can I do this? Can I? No, no, no, no, don't do that. It protects you. But then there's also prophetic covering.
That's right.
Which is where, where there are certain people that God, um, shows your file to.
Yes.
I don't know if you have that kind of thing. Oh, yes. In your life where somebody would, you know, oh wow, I saw this and don't do that.
Uhhuh. There people like that, and then there's also covering in terms of just general intercession, and I believe your husband to a large degree plays...
Oh, no, it's, it's, it's very, you know, I'll give you even an example of something that happened, um, that kind of shows the beautiful progression between him and then, you know, his own covering within Apostle Rome. So there was a time that, you know, we, there was a place we had gone to minister.
And you, you know, after the ministration, it's a normal thing. Pastors get together, they eat and all that stuff. But these were not pastors that I really knew personally. It was just, it was more of the assignment of where the Lord was sending me. And you know, we got together, we, we broke bread and all of that. When I got back to the hotel, my husband would look at me and he said, "What did you eat?" And I'm like, that, that was a very odd question because he would never really, you know, it's just like, "What did you eat?" And I'm like, "Oh, we ate." You know, I would share with him, and some, it was troubling him, something wasn't settled. So the second day he said, "What did you eat?" And then after he asked me, I was going to take, was in time zone and all that stuff, so I, I took a nap. While I was sleeping, the spirit of the Lord said, "Don't let food cause you to lose your discernment."
Okay.
Stop. And I couldn't understand it.
And I woke up. The moment I woke up, my husband turns to me, "Don't eat the food again." I said, "Babe, this is literally, I just heard the Lord say, 'Don't let food cause you to lose your discernment,' and I'm like, there's something with the food." So, right there, I'm like, "Okay, not doing this." So, I started to pray and I'm like, "Lord, show me what is going on here. What is at hand?" So, when we went back, 'cuz for some reason, I had been, there was something about the kitchen. I was always drawn to until the Lord now opened my eyes that the kitchen, the, the, the key people in the kitchen were witches.
What? Sorry, hold on a minute. Yes, let me get this. In the church?
Oh, okay. So, the church had its own, you know, kitchen and everything. And the Lord now showed me that the kitchen is operated by witches.
By witches.
So now, you know, at that time, Apostle Aome was also in the, in, in town, in that same region we were in.
Wow.
So we were like, "Okay, let's go visit him and everything." So we went over to see him, and the moment we walk in and we sat down, Apostle Aroma, "Don't eat the food."
Are you serious that, you know, I just like, so you see that I, I really love this.
So we, we looked at each other. We started laughing. I was like, "Apostle."
Yeah. Yeah.
I said, "I need to tell you what happened." And then he now gives wisdom, and he shared with us that there was a time where he had eaten, you know, he was on assignment, he ate the food with the people, and it cost him five years of his sight. Wow. Spiritual, you know, spiritual sight. Five. I believe it was five years. So he said, "It's not everywhere you go that you eat the food."
Wow.
So that is that level of accountability, the wisdom, the prophetic insight that, you know, there are things that even when my husband and I, we recently met, there were many things that the Lord had spoken to me that I've never shared with anybody. But it was like the Lord had opened my foul to him.
Wow.
So he started speaking to me about my life and the things that the Lord desires. So one of the things he always says, which I respect so much about him, he said, "If you fail in your calling, the Lord will hold me responsible."
Wow.
Because I did not come here to watch you, you know. So, you have, so, there are things that he's very, um, key on because he says you must succeed in the thing the Lord has called you to do. This, this is really beautiful to see because, and, and I think it might also be an opportunity to speak to some people who are maybe believing God for a future spouse and they're thinking God is delaying...
Because, well, from a human perspective, 36 years, my, you know, because, you know, people tend to say 30 if...
If you don't mind my asking, what age did you get married about?
I was, so I was 31 at the time. No, was I 31? No, I was 30 when we met. Yeah. Then we got married at, I was 31 when we got married.
So I mean, most other people would think maybe when you were around 26, "Oh, it's getting late, it's getting late." But God knew what he was doing.
He was preparing him, preparing you, and at the right time it all worked out together.
But I think it would be good to also speak a bit now that we're talking about food, you know. So from two dimensions, one, let's talk about the natural, we talk about the spiritual. The first is, as a Christian, is there food you shouldn't eat, you know, in that...?
Okay, they serve it, you bless it, doesn't... but is there, I mean, I mean, you can speak to that.
Yeah, you know what, what I believe is that, you know, when the scripture talks about being temperate in all things, you know, and so as believers, we, we, we move in the leadership of the Holy Spirit. Now, food is a very interesting part because when you're breaking bread with people, you're coming under their ambience.
Yes.
Not to say that if you're, you know, you're involved in something, it will jump on me. I've, I've literally, there's so many testimonies I've had of how the Lord had, people have poisoned our food when we were younger. People have done all kinds of things, and the Lord literally protected us. So, it's not a fear thing. But what I began to learn, especially in the context of, you know, let me use that, the, the real life example.
So where you have pastors, um, that can't, that have lost their sight because of, you know, maybe certain things that they, they're not, they, they don't believe about it when it comes to deliverance or things in the word of God. Um, and now they have witches who are serving them food. So you can, there, there moments of heightened sensitivity and heightened vulnerability when you're ministering. You're pouring out so much that you can come into a place where you're just lax. Now the spirit of God is trying to tell you, "Don't eat the food."
But because you've lowered your guard. So the key thing is not even about whether it's the food or it's not the food. It's about sensitivity to the voice of God. And that's why anything we overindulge in is a problem.
True, because Satan would use it to shut your ears to the word of the Lord.
This is, this is, this is serious. And I'll tell you why. Um, because I think it was sometime last year that, um, somebody, so generally speaking, I'm good, you know, people give me food that...
Somebody gave me food, and just before then, um, I, I got some kind of check, and then, not so much, how would I put it, I, there was an uneasiness I was feeling. Yeah. And then I now decided to go to the kitchen to get some food. This is, I need to be careful what I say here. I go to the kitchen to get some food, and the Lord said, "Don't eat that food."
Yeah.
I'm like, "Yeah, but," you know, and said, "Don't eat that food." And then something happened that confirmed further later on, but I, I can't say it on air that, and from that point in time, God said, "Stop eating this." Mhm. Stop eating this food, you know, and but I like the food.
It's, it happened to me when, um, there was a food I ordered. This was just a regular restaurant. I ordered some food. The spirit of the Lord told me, "Don't eat the food." I was so hungry. I ate the food.
I went to bed. I woke up. This is real life. There was a half human, half fish in my room.
Whoa.
And it was like, "Come, come." I said, "I rebuke."
Wow. They were trying to initiate. Oh, God. You know, I said...
So it, it interesting what you just brought up. I was going to, it was going to take me to the next question, but, but to be honest with you, I'll pause on that for now. You know, remember I told you physical food and spiritual food, but, but... I know the moment we step into that, it will take us into, I want, I want to stay on this. You, we spoke about being at a church, and then the Lord highlighted to you that the people in the kitchen were witches. Let's talk about witchcraft in the church.
Yeah, and your experience, and, you, know, um, how you discern, perhaps. I know we spoke about at length in the episode of last year about your friend, but have you had instances that, you know, um, where God showed you about witches in the church, and, you know, how does one discern them, um, at different levels? They may, they tend to, in a sense, like you said, kitchen, yeah. Intercessory team, sometimes worship, and all of that. Have you got any other experiences like that, you know?
Yeah. I think one, people have to know that the church is a, is really where witches are attracted to the most because, again, they're on assignment, you know. So any church that would have a lampstand, witches are drawn there.
Wow.
Because their assignment is to quench that lampstand. How, how can they infiltrate the church, um, to cause discord, to cause strife, to cast spells, to bring confusion and all of those things? And that is why every church, when the, the word of God says, "My, my house shall be called a house of prayer." Any church, you know, prayer in a church is not just what you do in the beginning of a service, and that's the prayer.
You know, every church should have deep intercession. You know, it should be the culture and the lifestyle of a church because any, first of all, any church that, that begins to grow or expand out that is not from the place that was birthed in prayer, is dangerous.
So it's, it's, it's, it's a swelling. It's not...
Yeah. It's not growth.
It could be infection, and in fact, pact that is extremely, that was one of the things that the Lord began to show me that is extremely dangerous. Anything that grows for in the name of the Lord that does not grow that, you know, you travailed in prayer before this thing came forth, it is extremely dangerous because what you are harvesting is actually a place of witches. So you're bringing a place of people that can be easily influenced or many witches are already in the territory, you know, so a church has to be a place of prayer because number one, that is where they are drawn to, you know, so it's without a doubt that witches are, you know, at some point they've been in your church. So, so how, how, how, what, what kind of things will you say will be, can begin to happen to a church that is a lambstand church that witches have infiltrated?
So one of the things you see is where there is, you know, one confusion. You, you will see things that are not of the spirit of God. Um, discord, you know, they, they, they thrive in sewing discord. Um, they start to infiltrate the ears of the leadership, um, whether it's the leaders in different departments, and God forbid they get to the leaders of the church. And so all of a sudden they cause suspicion in a church where people start looking at each other like, "Oh, I think this person," because one of, if, if the enemy can contaminate your heart towards another, he has already started to win the battle.
You know, so then people start changing their attitude towards each other. Um, people start leaving teams, people start walking away. You know, when you start seeing this mass exodus out of offense, um, you know, where things are misconstrued, you know, what one, what a person said is not what they heard. These are activities of witchcraft in, you know, in a space where it's, there's rumors flying around. "This person said this, that person said that." And this is within the teams in the church. This is within their volunteer departments. There's some level of activity of witchcraft that is happening to confuse the people, to, um, scatter the people, you know, to sow discord among the people, you know, that there's a different, something else is being engaged. And especially when you start to see, um, a, a different kind of breed of people who are attracted to leadership.
You know, you see people who want, it's not, pastors should pay attention to when it's not just one, not just two, not just three, but you see multiple people who just from a visible perspective, you know, there are things you can easily discern, "This one is far from the Lord," like where they stand is not one who is submitted to the Lord. You can hear it in their speech, you can see it in their lifestyle, sometimes their sexuality, you know, there are different things, but they're, they're drawn to leadership. They want to find different ways to serve, and, you know, but they're not just trying, they want to get into the position of leadership. There is an influence. You know, when, um, the lady who I thought was a friend, when she was exposed as a witch, the Lord had given me a vision. In that vision, because now the Lord has exposed her, removed her from the scene. But in the vision, she takes off her jacket and throws it, and a gentleman who I knew, who was a friend of mine, catches it.
Wow. So the mantle...
The mantle fell on another person. Now here's the interesting thing. That person is not a warlock. He's not a witch, but he's vulnerable.
Whoa.
His, there are areas in his life that are not, were not submitted fully to the Lord. So it could rest on him.
Wow.
So then the Lord showed me this person cannot have access to your life anymore. So that was someone, and this time around I was not going to joke around with it. And I said, "Lord, I'm cutting it off."
Wow.
So, one day, this person kept reaching out to me like, "What's wrong? What's wrong? You know, why is it that you're, you know, you're so distant and all that stuff?" And then the Lord gave me permission to have a conversation because he says, "I would show you what is at work in this person's life." So, we had met up to just to chat about just, you know, regular things. And so, the whole time, it's just like he's sitting across from me. His whole body is shaking.
Physically.
Physically, his whole body just starts to shake, and so while that is happening, under my breath, I'm just praying in the spirit. I was praying in the spirit, and then he just looks at me, he says, "So, so, do you see it? Do you see it? Do you know? Do you know? Do you know? Do you know?" I said, "Do I know what?" He said, "You see it, huh? You see it? You know, you know, you know, that's why that's..." He starts talking in a way that is not normal for him.
And he starts shaking, starts like literally as though like someone who is like convulsing, you know, and I just looked at him and just kept praying in the spirit.
And then he comes back to himself as though he didn't have any idea of what just happened.
Wow.
I said, "I've seen all I need to see."
So, so was, was he aware or not aware?
It was as though he wasn't aware. It was, it was so strange. So it was probably the spirit manifesting. And, and the thing was that, so that when I was asking the Lord, I said, "So is it a spirit that needs to be cast out of him, or is it a spirit?" And the Lord said, "Cut."
Get out.
Cut this person off. Just forget about it. There many question, there's some things I have questions for the Lord that till today he has not answered me.
I was going to ask you some questions, I don't know if you have the answers yet, but, you know, there's the question some people say talk about blind witches, inherited witchcraft, you know, and of course, I mean, um, like willful people who join witchcraft. Do you have any, what are your, what are your, what's your take?
It's, it's so interesting because this is really an area that I am still asking the Lord for clarity because even with that lady, who was a witch.
Mhm.
Um, I, I remember when the Lord says this, "The fullness of this you are not yet ready to comprehend it."
Wow.
I don't understand that yet.
Wow.
Till today there are things that he has not explained to me because there was a time I said, "Lord, but was she a blind witch?" You know, because her own level of witchcraft, she, there are many things that she was aware of, but so what they did with she when she was initiated, what happens is that they have their memory is taken when they're just, you know, living normally.
Normally.
And then the demon humans now kind of like live through them.
Oh wow.
And then when they go back to their meetings, that's when they come back into their full memory of everything. It, it was a very weird experience. So because she would have, I think I had shared this in, um, the last podcast. She would sit on the toilet.
Yes.
And just fall asleep because that's when she would travel.
Yeah.
To wherever their meeting is, and that's when her, she will get regain full consciousness of her, of, of who she really is. So when she travels back, so that's how they're able to blend in because they would really have things they enjoy, hobbies they like, you know, different things they do, and then the demons will now. So there are many questions honestly in this area. I'm, I'm not, I still, I don't know.
It's interesting to note, and again, I guess we will still come back to that because I'm going to talk about that as regards dreams later on. But let's also, let's still talk about the issue of witchcraft in the church and all of that. But as pertaining to, we've talked about the pews. Let's talk about the pulpit. How, you know, they usually say, "Be careful which altar you pray on," you know, um, you know, in terms of how the enemy also infiltrates.
Pulpit could bring corruption.
Yes. Bring corruption.
Or the occults or something or the other. Have you got any experiences?
Yeah. No, there are places that I remember that would, um, reach out. But normally there are things that the Lord will just say, you know, 'cuz anytime I get an invitation, I'll ask the Lord, you know, "Are you sending me?" And there are many times it's just no. It's just there's no explanation. It's just or not yet.
Yeah.
Um, but there have been moments where he will show me that this is a defiled house, and the, you're not, they're not inviting you. The enemy wants you, and the goal is so that you would minister and they would lay hands on you because that to cause a transfer that will bring some level of corruption.
Wow.
You know, so I remember there was this one particular place, and the Lord just showed, when the Lord showed me clearly, "This place is defiled," like there's no, and so when we had responded, we just responded with a simple, you know, declining, and they were, they started reaching out like back to back to back to back to back, and so then the Lord just made it clear and tell them that the Lord has said no.
Wow. So when my assistant was telling me that, "Hey there, you know, they keep reaching out. They keep like there's a lot of, you know," and I said, "No, tell them that the Lord has said no."
Whoa.
And leave it there.
That's serious business.
Um, but no, it is, it is a real thing. And I think that's why as ministers, you know, there's so much corruption now where even temptation rather too. Um, you know, because obviously, you know, when you minister, maybe people can, they will give you an honorarium. If that becomes an idol, you will go anywhere.
And then like the food thing.
Exactly.
You become, if you're moved by platforms and places, you would, you, you know, just the, the idea of, "Oh, this person also is ministering here, let me go." That's not what we do as ministers. Um, as ministers, the audience is Christ, and you're there for his pleasure. You're there for the master's purpose. The moment you make it about you, Satan can infiltrate, you know, and, and cause you to even really lose your discernment.
This, this is really phenomenal. And I, I just for the sake of the viewers who are watching and they're like, because we, we're online, yeah, some people are not members of churches. They're looking for churches. What kind of church should I go to?
Yeah. How does one discern or know what kind of church to go to, knowing that the altar to which you submit to will determine possibilities? And I mean, there just a number of, of, of things that where, where you're sitting down and what, what you're listening to, if the altar is defiled, you are defiled. Where you dedicate your children, where you get married, the altar you get married, you know, many things. Many things. So, you know, how does one, what, what do you, what do we do? How, how do you discern?
No, you know, first and foremost, I think it, it starts with people, you, your appetite. You know, I always tell people, pray that the Lord gives you the right appetite.
Um, because many people have been so trained by the world that the appetite for the things of the spirit is still shaped by the world. So when they're looking for a church, they want it to sound a certain way. It's, the appetite is entertainment. The appetite is like...
Exactly. Like, "Oh," or, "Oh, this, if I go here, my business would grow," if I, if I, exactly. So your, you cannot bring an appetite of the world into spiritual things. That's where Satan will trap you.
I love this.
You know, so one, you have to, and that's again humility. You have to come before the Lord and say, "Lord, help my appetite." Because the only reason that false prophets are enthroned are because of the people.
So that's why even when the Lord judges Jezebel in the book of Revelation, he's not only judging Jezebel. He's judging those that follow her.
Because if Jezebel was the only issue, only Jezebel would be cast in a sick bed.
But he also judges the ones that follow her because you're the one enthroning her.
Wow. Your appetite is what's keeping her up there. And so people have to come before the Lord and say, "Lord, first of all, help me to have the right taste for the things of the spirit. Help me to hunger after you, not what I want to hear, how I want to feel, how I want to live." So it starts with the person because you would, you would cater to, you would submit to what pleases you. Now, you want to make sure you're not after what pleases the flesh, but what pleases the spirit.
And even when it comes to pleasing the spirit, people can also fall into the trap of, you know, where you're maybe, for example, when people are looking for like a prophetic house. It's easy to end up in a house of divination.
Very much so. Very powered by the right.
Exactly. Because then you're looking for a place of spiritual maturity and you end up in a place that is, is an occult. Yes. Yes. Yes.
So again, and how, and even when it comes to people that, you know, a house of divination or a false prophet, these are things that you can pick up because everything they're catering to your flesh.
To your flesh. It's about...
It's about them. It's about you. It's not about the Lord.
His name is used, but it's not about him.
Yes. Is about, um, when the Bible talks about being drawn by a way by your own lust.
By your own lust.
And be to your lust, and that's what they came to and all of that stuff. 'Cuz I tell people, if you're going to give, you know, someone comes up and say, "Oh, if you know 10 people here who would give $1,000 will get married," you would give that, but you've never given to the poor. You've never given to the, the, you know, the things that burden the heart of God. This is manipulation. This, you, you are manipulating yourself.
Yes.
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This might be a nice place to look at one or two things which, you know, um, I initially we're talking about food, and we talked about natural food and witchcraft and all of that stuff. How about spiritually? People talk about dreams and eating in dreams, and what that, what that can, can mean, and, you know, um, apparently people, they say people can be initiated in dreams. You just gave an example where you talked about the Lord said, "Don't eat this." So, you know, so I mean, could it be true? I mean, could it be, could that be the thing that some people don't even know it, they eat and then they initiated?
Yeah. So I think what often happens sometimes because again it goes back to can a true Christian fall into the hands of witchcraft in that way. And so the issue there because again a true Christian is one, you know, they say that, you know, um, the sons of God are those who are led by the spirit of God. So there are many people that they may believe they're Christian but they're not led by the spirit of God. So then what are you truly submitted to? Right? So there is that vulnerability in a person.
But the other part is that if a person is submitted under, um, an occultic minister, you know, you, you've, you're like the, the, the pastor is involved in all kinds of witchcraft or the prophet is involved in all kinds of witchcraft or whatever. Then what often happens is that the members are being leveraged by those demons. And so, you know, and I will give several examples. So there are times where people might see in the dream, um, you know, people that might be connected to like an occultic house, then the pastor is trying to feed you or the prophet is trying to feed you something because or sleep with them because it's now an initiation because you have given your will to submit under them.
Mhm.
So there is an access, that's why to your point, you can't just go anywhere and say, "Oh, this is my pastor, this is my, this, I submit into this house." You can't just do that, you know, without spiritual knowledge, you know, you can't just let anyone just lay hands on you or things like that because they're looking for an access point.
And the moment they find access or agreement, now they can try to find a way to show up in your dream, and if you wake up from a dream like that, you don't rebuke it, you don't cancel it. You just allow it and you go as normal. Then they found a hook.
You know, for example, I remember, um, there was this when I was much younger, there was this prophet who used to always try to come around my family, and I used to tell my mom, I said, "This man is a false prophet. He's not of God." Um, because there are many things the Lord used to show me as a child. And I remember one day he, he came and he held my hand. And the moment he held my hand, the Lord took me to a vision where I saw him in this occultic coven.
Right there.
Right there when he touched my hand. And then he pushes my hand away and leaves the house. He's like, "I have to go. I have to go. I have to go." And my mom is like, "What happened?" I said, "Mom, this man is occultic. He's not of God." And my mom is like, "Stephanie, can every, is everybody occultic?" I'm like, "This one definitely is occultic."
Wow.
So the man, you know, he, he didn't show up for a long time. So when I left the country, he started trying to, and I told my mom, "Beware, this man is, beware of him." So one day he had reached out to my mom, he's like, "Please, can I, you know, can your daughter pray for me?" You see how Satan is looking for, for agreement, loophole somewhere. And I will be honest, in my, it was pride because I'm like, "Finally, this man has, you know, wants to, um, repent," and, "Yes, let me pray for him." It was pride.
So he comes to the house. He, my mom calls. She gives him the phone, and he was like, "Please, can you pray for me?" And I prayed with him. But the, the goal was so he could pray for me.
Oh wow.
That was the agenda.
It's almost like, "Okay, now you pray for me. Let me pray for you."
So then he started to pray for me. And when he prayed for me, he said, "I'll never forget this. He started saying that may the angels that were with Solomon, angels of wealth, angels of this, that the Lord will release them to you." And Mia was, "Oh, I say amen. Agreement."
Wow.
I forgot that Solomon was involved in all manners of activities and all deities. He opened up his life to so many altars. That night, an angel visited me. And at first, I thought it was a, be one of the most beautiful angels I've ever seen in my life. The makeup of the angel was just diamonds and sapphires and beautiful angels. I said, "Wow." I said, "This must be that angel of wealth."
And then the angel had a smirk. That's when I said, "Oh, wait. Why is an angel smirking?" And that's when I began to pray in my spirit. I said, "Lord, who is this person?" And then I heard a name. And this is happening in real time. The angel is just, I'm laying in bed. Angel just started standing right there. And, and I literally take my, um, I can't remember if it was my phone or my computer, but I took my device and I Googled meaning of this name. It translated to Lucifer. The moment I saw Lucifer, the angel went from here to my feet and held my feet, and it literally felt I was dying. It felt like my soul was leaving my body through my feet.
Was this happening in a dream?
No, no, no. Real life. I started to pray. I said, "Lord, what did I expose myself to?" I said, "Lord, help me. Help me. Help me." Then there was another angel that has always been with me for many years just rises and strikes his hand.
Wow.
And that's how he left. And that's when the Lord said when you came into agreement in that prayer. So then I, my prayer was that I said, "Lord, if indeed that man knew what he was doing when he prayed over me, if he was aware, if that was his intention." I said, "The same sword that this angel used to strike, strike the head, the devil, strike his head."
Wow.
Give him a headache so bad that he will say he's about to die. But that was just my sign. And then when he confesses, he will be restored. So the next day my mom called me. I said, "Mom, how is," I mentioned the name of the, the man. She said, "Oh, Stephanie, he has a terrible headache."
Wow. Terrible, terrible headache. He feels like he's dying.
I said, "Please give him the phone." So, she gave him the phone. I said, "I know exactly what you did." And I just show, and I said, "If you do not repent, you will not survive this headache, but if you repent, the Lord will restore you." He started apologizing. Started apologizing. Said that no x, y, and z, you know. And that was how that was when my mom, it was, it was now confirmed to her.
Wow. That, "Oh, this guy is really, you know, not who he's apologies." So that means he admitted...
He admitted it. He admitted to it.
Lord have mercy.
So the point of me saying that is again, when you come under certain authorities or when you come in agreement with certain things, that access can now interpret itself in your dream as someone trying to feed you because they're trying to make a deposit. They're trying to find, you know, it's like the, the, it's like closing the deal.
No, now you will become with us or now we have authority over you.
Wow.
But those things, the beauty of those kind of dreams at the same time is that your spirit is sensitive enough to pick it up, and you have to rebuke it and come against it.
Wow. Yeah.
I guess this, this also reinforces the point about when, when people say, "Be careful who you let lay hands."
Oh yes.
On, on you. So also people who you allow pray, pray over, for you, pray over you, pray over, be sensitive, you know, there are things that, and again, it's...
Not that we become fearful as Christians, but there is a sensitivity. And it goes back to, you know, walking in the spirit. Because this is a person who I knew the Lord had already revealed to me, this person is false. But because of pride, I lost my discernment. So there are things that, it's not that people should have this like fear, you know what I mean? But is that you should be, always keep be, that's what that's the whole excess of being temperate, that you're, you're always in a position where you can discern the atmosphere. You can judge what is taking place in you, you know, not being suspicious, but having, you know, rightful discernment.
What, what other ways can someone, you know, um, allow agreement? So we talked about, you know, someone praying for you, laying hands on you. I mean, remember growing up as a child, my mom, my late mom would be said, when you go to church, don't let them lay hands on you, don't take this, don't accept this. You know, but I mean, she wasn't speaking from a Christian viewpoint. You know, but, you know, um, generally speaking, because it's not just when someone attends a church that, how, how, what, what are the other ways a person can, which can bring you into agreement that they access a person's life?
Yeah. And, and the other part is even through gifts. Okay. And the part of gifts is again, it goes back to, you know, when the, never be wiser than the spirit of God. There are things that won't, the moment you sense the Lord saying, don't accept this. Don't give into this because they might be, the scripture says that they who know their God, right, shall do great exploits. Now, God is a title, not a name. Mhm. Right. So God refers to, you know, a supreme being, a deity. So now we know that the one true God is the Lord Jesus. Yes. Those who know have a revelation of Jesus will do great exploits. But the Bible also talks about other gods. M. And there are people who are more trained in darkness. That you might be trained in light. And so in your position, there are things that these people have cooked up. That when the Lord is saying, don't accept that gift. Don't be wiser than the Holy Spirit. Don't accept the gift because you're coming into, you're saying, oh, it's not a big deal. You take the gift. Now, your rebellion has given the enemy grounds. Wow. And so they're different things because again, some, some things are just looking for a touch point, you know. But the key thing is sensitivity to the Holy Spirit. If the Holy Spirit is telling you, give this thing away, don't touch that, or listen and be led by Him.
Yeah. I, I, I really like this because I think it, what it brings to fall for me is, you know, first of all, the, like you said, the emphasis on, be led by the spirit of God. And in leading, so there are some instances. So for example, in, is it First Kings 13, where the Lord sends this prophet from Judah? And He says to him, don't eat any food, don't do this, don't go. You know, and so I guess with the Lord, it's an issue of just, follow my instruction. Instruction. Don't, you know, food, eating food is okay. All things are lawful, but not all things are permissible. But in an instance, I can tell you, don't eat this. Don't eat it. Just follow it. Because it's the same God who would tell the Israelites, now plunder the Egyptians. Precisely. The people who were selling all these gods, now collect gold from them. Yes. It didn't mean their gold would defile you because the Lord is telling you, collect it. Yes. So it's just, don't be wiser than the Holy Spirit. When the Holy Spirit is telling you, take, take. When He's telling you, do not touch this, do not touch. Don't make it, don't look at it as so trivial that you disobey, because that gives the enemy legal grounds.
This, this is so, so helpful. And I mean, like, it's evident that the enemy is always looking for legal ground one way or the other. And we shouldn't be, overtly suspicious. And, you know, you know, sometimes we Christians can become spooky. And I don't want to touch anything. I don't want to do. I remember one time there was a lady, um, um, that I met, and then the Lord had opened my eyes that she was a witch. And I was telling a friend of mine, I said, I was just like, oh, wow, this lady. So, and I went over to her and I said, can I, is it okay if I gave you a hug? And she was like, she looked at me like, like, why would I want to hug her? Because the Lord was not showing me for me to walk away. It was that I want her to know my love. Wow. And so, you see, in that instance, it's not about fear that, oh my goodness, I don't want to touch a witch. It was like, let me show you that even in your state. So I went over to her. I looked at her. I said, I know you, but I want to just tell you that Jesus loves you. And she looked at me. It's like, we knew, we could tell that we knew each other. I know who you are, but I'm not afraid of giving you a hug. I love you. And Jesus loves you. And I pray that that sowed a seed in her life to start questioning that, wow, there's really love in that kingdom, you know. So, in, is the, the goal of it, the goal of every Christian is that you want to be led by the Holy Spirit. Because one, something that could be, could open a door in one person's life, could actually be the thing that the Lord says you should do.
Very much so. Interesting. I mean, since you said that, I mean, when I was a younger Christian, you know, the gift of discerning of spirits was so strong in me. So I was obvious to see witches and, so right there, yeah, you, and then I'd run away. But strangely, you know, the, in more recent times, there are people who I know are witches, and interest, I'm still their friend. Yeah. You shake them, you love on them because God is also after them. Yeah. And you can tell, I mean, there are one or two people who are like old friends and said, I want to come to your church. And I'm like, yeah, come. You know, and maybe in the service, God will witness to you and all of that.
But let's talk a bit about dreams. Yes. And you wrote a book on dreams. Yes. Um, can you give scenarios, you know, maybe practical and real examples of maybe some kind of warning dreams, or how God can speak to people through dreams, like maybe like a warning? You can give some of your own, practical ones that you, you know.
Yeah, I think for, um, a warning dream, I remember one of my, a family member. Um, the Lord had given me this dream, and I saw a calendar, and there was a date on the calendar that was marked in red. And then the Lord showed me, intercede concerning this day, that the enemy has an agenda against this person's life. And so when I woke up, I reached out to the person. I said, hey, what are your whereabouts on this day? I said, let's just be in prayer. Let's just be, you know. So we had spent some time praying. I was just interceding about the matter. That day came, and he had gone, he was, he was on his way to like some business meetings or something, and all of a sudden, a car started following him. Mhm. He will turn left, they'll turn left. He'll turn right, they'll turn right. Then that's when he knew, oh, this is intentional. And when he now looked in the car, he suspected that these are people that either want to steal his car, but they're also young people. So these are people who are, you know, involved in gangs, but reckless. So in their, in their reckless nature, they can just try to shoot someone, you know. And so he said, all of a sudden, he had this wisdom of how to navigate the neighborhoods, and that's how he lost them. Wow. So when he called me and shared that with me, I said, do you see how all things are spiritual? Because those people think they just saw your car and they just wanted to hijack it. It's a spirit who was looking for who to rest upon to carry out an agenda. But because of intercession, and because the Lord has already exposed it, it could not prosper, you know. So that was one, you know, example.
But it was so, so many. It is interesting that you, as you were sharing this example, the Holy Spirit brought something to my memory. And strangely, it happened in the city of LA. Wow. Wow. So, I think it must have been about seven, eight years ago, where our family were on holiday, and I was praying, and then I had a, I don't know if it was a dream or a vision, where I saw, you know, somebody pointing a gun at, you know, and trying to shoot either me or my children, something to that effect. And I didn't think anything of it. Anyway, long story short, my sons say, "Oh, they want to go to a particular part of LA and, you know, um, I forgotten what it was. They said they wanted to do maybe like a, something range or something." Anyway, I went with them, you know, because I thought, "Okay, look, let's go. Let me, let me go with you." We got there. It was a shooting, you know, what do they call those? Like the gun range. Yes, the gun range. But the part of town we went to was the worst part of town. At least as we were driving in there, and you know, drug dealers, that kind of thing. So, while we were, well, while we were at the range, that was when the Holy Spirit reminded me of that. And I got, I've never been so scared because, oh, how did I get, how do I let these boys get me here? And, you know, I said, "Let's go. Let's go." They said, "Dad, we only just started." I said, "No, we have to now." Because I saw this, and, you know, I said, we had until we left the place, you know. I wasn't, I couldn't tell them what it was. And when we left, I said, man, you guys, thank God we we escaped that because God revealed to me something terrible happened there. Wow. You know, when you see some people coming in looking dodgy, and I'm like, please God, just get us out of here. You know, you know, um, you want to tell us one or two more experiences in terms of a dream and then, yeah.
Yeah, I think another warning dream, um, I think there, there are some dreams I've had concerning whether it's like people's health. Okay. Um, you know, where I would see like someone maybe shot with like an arrow or something, and then all of a sudden, they start complaining that, oh, they have a pain in that area. I'm like, "No, no, no, no. It's not natural. It's not now. Begin." So, you know, cuz I always tell people, when, if the matter is actually spiritual, it's easier, you know, to deal with. But you have to discern what is the problem. Um, even for myself, there was a time where, when I was pregnant with my daughter, and the Lord had told me to do this series on witchcraft. Yes. And during that series, I remember having this dream where, um, there were all these women that were like trying to find a way to shoot at me, shoot at me. Um, and every time they would miss, you know, they would, they'll try this area, they'll miss. I'll turn another area. And then I was able to now finally get the same, you know, get another gun or something to now aim at them. Um, so I remember when I woke up from that, the Lord just kept telling me, there's a lot of witchcraft activity. Just continue to pray. You're covered, but continue to pray. And not to, I think it was a week after that, there was an association of witches. That's what they call themselves. And they put an article together that went on, you know, went in the media in Nigeria, that they were against the series that I was. Yeah. It's, it's out. It's in the public. So, so where were they based? In Nigeria. In Nigeria. They're based in Nigeria. And they came, they, they call themselves the Association of Witches against your, and they said that they want to publicly say that they're against this series. Well, that's their problem. Exactly. And so when I saw it, I just laughed because someone had sent it to me. They were like, "Have you seen this?" I said, I said, "So wait, they have an organization in Nigeria? I would have thought that would happen inact in the US." So there was all this like, you know, there was a lot of warfare around that time. Um, but the Lord will always show it to me in the dream, and then we'll just begin to pray. Wow. Um, there are dreams I would have about what, you know, sometimes like when a person wants to infiltrate your home. Um, the Lord will show me, maybe like bats outside trying to find access to come in, you know. And then He's like, pray, there's someone they're looking for who can infiltrate. You know, be very mindful of new relationships. Study them. So there are different things that the Lord will bring as warnings. Um, but yeah.
Wow, this, this is really interesting. I mean, I, we can go on and on. Yeah. And we're probably due for a part three, but I don't know if we can do it in this breath. But as we begin to close, maybe I should, this will be the final question. If a person has a dream where, say for example, like you said, they're shot at in the dream, or sometimes people say they're injected or something, or they're stung by an insect, or, you know, uh, beaten by a snake or scorpion. What should it, how long should they just wake up and say, I'm covered by the blood of Jesus. No words of, and that's it. What should they, you know, or do they, what, what exactly?
Yeah, you know, one, they should, I would, I would definitely, when Jesus would say things like this kind comes out by, prayer, prayer and fasting. And that was a little boy that was a demon in a little boy, you know. So when you see that they hit the target, they shot the person, they injected the person, you have to go into warfare prayer. So there's two key prayers I always tell people, you know, one, obviously, begin to reject and come out of agreement with whatever happened. Take some time because again, this is where humility comes in. You don't want to just go into your routine of, okay, I cancel it, X, Y, and Z. Get another. If you can have corporate prayer, ask someone else to join you in prayer, um, and stand against that as one, or you go into fasting just to say, Lord, whatever, intervene on my behalf, wherever they have found access, because you also want to know, why did they gain access to hit you? Why is it that your spirit is so vulnerable that they could target you? So you don't just want to be rescued to be hit again. You want to be restored and have revelation that causes that they will never strike in that way. And so that's where, you know, it's always advisable that even just give yourself into some level of consecration, some level of fasting. Even if you take the day to just say, let me quiet down the noise and begin to pray, Lord, reveal to me why did they have the ability to strike. And the other part is, command such dreams to never return. Because you have the authority to now take charge and say, I command this dream to be canceled over my life, and I command that this dreams, any dream of this likeness, I will never repeat itself again. So you can shut the door to those kinds of activities by taking authority over it.
You talk about things like this in your, in your book on dreams. Oh, in, in the book, I, I do talk about. No, I didn't talk about commanding dreams to stop. Because that was something that the Lord taught me after. So, but what we're sharing, I talk about it in the book. Yeah. But there, it's so interesting because it's like the Lord just continues to unveil more and more revelation. Um, and so I'm like, I wonder what else we're going to do with the nature of dreams. Unending school of the spirit. Yeah. You know, so there are more things that would reveal itself. But no, the book, there's so much that I've covered, and the testimonies that we've received from the book has been really, really phenomenal. Amazing. And, you know, this is a good place, you know, to talk about the, I mean, the fact that if you don't have the book yet, Yeah. Pick a copy. Um, just, you know, put, put it in the search, amazon.com, co.uk, UK, and put, um, Apostle Stephanie Okafor's name in the book on dreams. It'll come up.
Can you say, share a word of prayer with our audience as we close out?
Heavenly Father, we thank you. We thank you for your goodness. We thank you for your love. We thank you for each and everyone who is tuned in, Lord God. Lord, I pray that this will stir a hunger for them, Lord God, to walk with you in spirit and in truth. This to stir a hunger that to strip themselves of all distractions, that they would linger and submit to you, Lord God, in the place of prayer. Because these are the times where our discernment needs to be sharpened, our discernment needs to be strengthened. And Lord, that only happens when we yield to the place of prayer. And so, Lord, I pray that their desire would be to know you, to grow in the revelation of who you are, Lord God, because from that place, we can do great exploits. Lord, I come against every spirit of fear, every spirit of suspicion, that Lord, we will not define our lives by our wisdom, but we will define it by the leading of your Holy Spirit. And so have your way in Jesus name. Amen.
Amen. Thanks for the prayer. Thanks for the time. But I just want to leave a, a short word for our viewers. I've been told that close to 80% of the people that watch the podcast don't subscribe. And I just really want to encourage you to subscribe because it does a number of things. First of all, it's, it's beneficial to you in that when the next episode is up, you get notified, and you know, you get to watch, uh, the episode on time. And then the second thing it, it does is that it, based on the algorithm, when you subscribe, like, share, or comment, and respectfully comment, what happens is that, you know, it increases, uh, the rating of this particular podcast, and we get, it's shown to more viewers across the world. And this is one way we can evangelize. Many people, a number of people will never walk into a church, but they will stumble upon a podcast on YouTube. So, by God's grace, you are helping reach out to the unsaved and help perhaps maybe a believer, you know, get encouraged or delivered just by listening to the podcast. So, subscribe right now. God bless you. Look forward to seeing you on the next one. Thanks a lot, Pastor Stephanie. God bless you.
Thank you.