September 23 Rapture Theory and the Mystery of the Avatar (Jonathan Cahn Weighs In)

The amazing thing is this has everything to do with America because as we thought we could drive out God, it opened the door for these spirits. It's been going in a pagan direction. It's like a repossession, some things that are just irrational.

There was one guy who actually did this, and his name was Frederick Nietzsche. He was a German philosopher. And the amazing thing is that these kings and queens serve as prototypes or templates of actual American leaders in this last period, up to now, one after the other. I mean, from Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump. I mean, even though Osama bin Laden's in this, three years later to the day comes a calamity, 9/11. And even the very hour it would begin. I mean, that's how exact it is. Why do you think God would do that? You know, especially for America today.

Troy, you're the only one I've ever been on a program that that really that knew that. People don't know that. Her whole life has been following the pattern and mystery of this goddess. There has been a rumor circulating. I've seen it all over the place. Signs in the heavens. You know, there's certain things that people are using to try to say and predict essentially this either a rapture date or a second coming date. There's an African pastor who said he had a vision where God told where Jesus told him, either I'm coming back or I'm going to take you on September 23rd of 2025. This theory is based on Revelation 12, which talks about the woman and the child and the dragon. If we are here in the end times, we're here in this time. You know, it's because God appointed us to be. He chose it.

Hey y'all, this is Troy Black, and I've got my friend Jonathan Khan with me today, and he's going to be talking about the mystery of the Avatar. So, in this new book that he's recently released, um, he gives a warning to America, but also a hope for America. And he ties into this mystery some of the recent events and some of the political events over the last couple of years with uh Joe Biden, President Trump, uh Kamala Harris. This is not just a modern-day mystery, it's an ancient mystery as well. We are going to be talking about the mystery of the Avatar, but uh a little while later in this video, we're also going to be talking about the rumor that's been just spreading around the internet, that's been going viral recently about a September 23rd rapture or second coming date. And so Jonathan's going to weigh in on that in a little while.

The Avatar is literally going to be everywhere right now. It just came out. It looks like this. If you just go online or Amazon or wherever you get books, if you see this, make sure it's not the movie, and there are other kinds of books with that title. So make sure if it says "The Return of the Ancients and the Future of America," turn on the gun, you'll have it. Get it for people in your life too who need to get saved or need to wake up. Also, as far as the ministry, yeah, it's hopeoftheworld.org. It's a ministry to get the word out, the gospel to the nations. It has all my teachings, has compassion projects, but you'll get free gifts and free, and you see all my teachings there and much more. So, if you go to hopeoftheworld.org, I don't know about you, Troy, but there's a lot of fake Jonathan Khans. I don't know if you deal with that. A lot of it's crazy. I've tried to crack down on my end, but I I've seen them. I've seen the fakes out there, and it's just crazy what people are doing with AI. There's always been imitations, you know. I mean, ever since Satan, there's always imitations, you know. So, let's jump in.

What is The Avatar going to reveal to us? Yeah. Well, The Avatar, it has to be the most explosive book I've ever written. And I've written some explosive books. This one, it's really pulling away the veil behind everything that's been happening. And behind it, uh, is a whole another realm. And it's kind of a mind-boggling realm, it's kind of an unbelievable realm, but it's real, uh, with with ancient mysteries behind modern events. Um, the spiritual realm, a uh realm of forces or quote gods, which we mean by space spirits. Um, and I mean everything from the assassination attempt on Trump to the outcomes of the elections determined by this template, really. There's a template in there that behind each like of leaders in America, there's an ancient template from the Bible that follows exactly, that has exact timing. So that God has amazing mysteries that we are in the midst of an amazing time.

Does this in any way tie into some of the other books you've written? Because I I've read several of your books now, and I know I've seen a pattern and a theme there where it is. So it's like it's kind of like the pattern continuing to play out. Yeah. Yeah, it Yeah. The return of the gods is kind of taking it to another level. The paradigm is continuing on. So that I mean, so yeah, it's like all these things converging, and then things I mean, and then things that I've never, I mean, that are like just way, way out there, explosive, right? Yeah, man. And I I love how the Lord helps obviously helps you to put these books together, 'cause there's when I'm reading your books, I'm like, there's no other way you could have gotten all these details together.

What do the gods, you know, and obviously we're talking about false gods here, talking about evil spirits, but what do they have to do with the modern world in America? Well, the Bible says that Jesus said that a man was delivered of the spirit, demonic, and yet he stayed empty. Instead of being filled with God, and the spirit comes back, finds him empty, brings seven other spirits, he's repossessed. And people say, "Okay, that's about a guy." No, he ultimately says, "So it will be with this generation." So the thing is that the amazing thing is this has everything to do with America because and the West, because when the gospel came into the world, it drove out the power of Jesus, drove out the gods, drove out the spirits. It was like a mass exorcism. And that's what made the West unique. But the warning is that any nation or or culture that has been delivered of these things, has known God, if it should empty itself of God, what was cast out of it will come back into it. And so what we are witnessing in the last half century in America, as we thought we could drive out God, it opened the door for these spirits, or these lowercase gods, to actually transform our culture. I mean, watch, it's always going, it's been going in a pagan direction. It's like a repossession. Some things that are just irrational. You say, like, how could people do this? You know, and going to this point now, there's a change recently, a change in this, but that's where it is. So it's a dangerous thing for any quote Christian civilization to turn away from God.

Yeah. So I've I've read even some, like, atheist historians talking about how nothing has had an impact on civilization in general as much as the gospel of Jesus Christ has throughout, you know, throughout the centuries. And so you're but you're talking about that same effect, but it's kind of like the opposite. It's like once you remove that, what effect does that have on the culture? Um, and one of the specific examples you use, um, in this book has to do with the Olympics. So, can you tell us about that? Yeah, this was like a manifestation of everything we just said. And you know, this opening Olympics, the opening ceremony, they had the Last Supper, but they had, instead of the apostles, they had men in drag gyrating. And then instead of the body and blood of Messiah, you know, representing his body, the food, they have a plate of food. They take off the cover, and it's a pagan god replacing Jesus, and the pagan god was Dionysus. Now, it's interesting. So at the beginning, you know, Jesus drove out the power of the gospel, drove out Dionysus and all the, but now it's replacing it backwards. And the thing is, there was one guy who actually did this, and his name was Frederick Nietzsche. He was a German philosopher. He's the one who said, "God is dead." Wrote books saying, "Get rid of Christianity, get rid of all." But he actually revered, adored Dionysus, and it's said that Dionysus would drive his worshippers insane, I mean, frenzies. Well, Nietzsche ends up going insane, and instead of writing his name, Nietzsche, he writes his name, Dionysus, as if he was taken over by the spirit by that. And the thing is, his writings went on, and a guy picks it up whose name is Adolf Hitler, and the Third Reich, and they put him, they made him their philosopher, and they do what he said. They exchanged Jesus for paganism, and look what happened. Wow. I mean, as Jesus said, you know, wisdom is made known by her fruit. So, it's like you're going to see the results eventually. And it's like, if you want to look at the results of his ideology, look, just look at how his life turned out, you know, like look at what happened. That's insane. That's so crazy. It makes sense, you know, it makes sense with the pattern we've seen in the word and then also in the world.

Um, so you write about like the mystery of the kings. So, how is an ancient biblical template behind modern American leaders? And I, as I mentioned this earlier, you know, I've seen you play back to this pattern several times in your books. Yeah. And and I've noticed you always deliver, you know, it's never like an empty. I don't know if anyone's told you that, but it's like, okay, you got me, you know, like that was that was good. Yeah. But uh, yeah, how does how does this play into that that pattern? Yeah. And the amazing thing is, and you said it, you said it, Troy, that it keeps unfolding. I mean, I'm amazed because it just keeps happening. Well, for those who don't know, this is a template. And so, one of the things that the Avatar takes forward is that when Israel was turning away from God, they had kings and queens who were part of this fall. And the amazing thing is that these kings and queens serve as prototypes or templates of actual American leaders in this last period, up to now, up to this very moment. And the thing is that behind each one of a president, leader, is one of these ancient kings. And the thing is, or queens. And the thing is that it not only reveals the nature of the person, it reveals the events of their life, it reveals the timing of that. Some, in some cases, it reveals dates that happen, and it reveals how long each one will have on the national political stage. I mean, one after the other. I mean, from Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump. I mean, even Osama bin Laden's in this. And the thing is that I'll give you a quick example. In the template, three years after a king confesses to a scandal, a particular king who actually is the prototype behind Bill Clinton, there comes a calamity on the land, and the thing is, an enemy strike. Well, Clinton then has a scandal and he makes a confession on a particular day. Three years later to the day comes a calamity, 9/11. Wow. And even the very hour it would begin. I mean, that's how exact this is. And this is going to lead up to where we are now because it has not stopped.

So I have a question that is not in my notes here, but why do you personally think that, because I would call that a parallel, right? And and you've used many different terms to describe it, but why do you think God would do that, you know, especially for America today? I It's a great question. I think one, first of all, God, you know, God knows every event. When he writes the Bible, when he, the he knows every word of the Bible, and he knows every event that's going to happen. So he actually can create parallels or weave things together, just like in our life, sometimes we open up the Bible, and something jumps out, and it's specifically for your life, you know, specific. So that's one. But also, it says these things were written for our edification, you know. And so the thing is that also that it gives revelation of where we are, because because the story in the Bible is giving revelation, good and evil, what's happening to the nation, what's serving the purpose of God, what is opposing it. So it's really giving clarity to where we are. And it's also saying that God is God, and God is in control of all things. And that and that brings a hope into the picture, you know, because when you're reading the stories in the Bible, you're like, well, I know how this ends, so I have hope, right? But it's like we don't know how it ends now, you know? But then when you start to see God is still working today the same way that he was then, you know, then it brings the hope back into the picture.

Um, so earlier, you know, you mentioned Donald Trump. How does he play into this mystery? What's happening in the template is that, and again, has specifics with the kings and leaders, but overall, the culture is turning away from God, and the house of Ahab, that was an evil king, his house is basically ruling the nation, and his sons are going on. And if it kept going, it would have sealed the nation away from God, it would have been apostasy, judgment sealed it. But and the thing is, with America, we were recently at this point where this agenda, which is anti-biblical agenda, was taking over virtually every institution of our culture till very recently. I mean, not, you know, Hollywood, music, educational system, the department of justice, the army, the corporate world, where people were afraid to say things like, "There is male and female," you could lose your job. I mean, crazy. Well, that was like the house of Ahab taking. But in the template, God has a surprise, and God had a surprise, and the surprise is the man called Jehu. And Jehu is the template of Donald Trump, or the prototype. And not that he knows it, but Jehu was number one, he was wild, he was unpredictable, everyone's going to do next, say next. He was a fighter. He wasn't a politician fighter. He comes like a storm on the nation. Well, Donald Trump, every single one of them. But also, you know something, Troy, and when I wrote this first, I didn't even realize it. Remember, you know, Donald Trump began his political career coming down that staircase, that stairway, and then he begins it. I didn't even know Jehu begins on top of the stairs and he comes down the stairs and then he begins his race. So, and then Jehu makes an alliance with the religious conservatives of the land. So does Donald Trump with Christians. Jehu has an agenda to drain the swamp. Donald Trump. Jehu also, in order to become, in order to become king, he had to prevail against the nation's former first lady, who is in this case was Hillary Clinton. In that case, it was Jezebel. Hillary Clinton was on the national stage, political stage, with her husband for 22 years, on her own in public office, and then running for president, totals 14 years. Well, Jezebel was on the national stage with her husband 22 years, on her own 14 years. And so everything, I mean, everything. And even, even this, that this determined the last three elections, because Donald Trump, if he's the template of Jehu, is that Jehu first contends against the sitting king. Then a woman rises up with an anti-biblical agenda, and he contends against her and he wins. Well, 2016, he contended with Obama, then Hillary Clinton, and he wins. In 2020, that wasn't the template. It wasn't the template of Jehu. But in 2024, the template of Jehu resurrects, because now he first contends against the sitting king, or which is Joe Biden. He defeats him in that, in that, in that just like Jehu defeated the king, he defeats him in that, in that debate, and then a woman rises, template of Jehu, with an anti-biblical agenda, and so he prevails. That's why in one, he prevailed. The second, he didn't. And then he prevailed again.

So, how does this play into, uh, you've kind of talked about Joe Biden a little bit. Are there some other examples of this mystery playing out there? Well, let me give you an example of Joe Biden that's even deeper. Like, you know, with Joe Biden, there is his main prototype is a king named Jehoram. And Jehoram, he's a weak king. In the reign of Jehoram, you've got a big problem, border incursions, people crossing the borders into the nations unchecked. Another thing of that is, I don't know if you remember this, but another thing is that at the beginning of Joram's reign, there's a disastrous military pullout, withdrawal from a foreign land. It was Edom. With Biden, it was Afghanistan. Wow. In the reign of Joram, the nation of Israel is invaded. When the invaders begin from the what is now the Gaza Strip, they invade Israel, they take Israelis hostages back to Gaza. In the reign of, so Biden is that. And there's so much to it, but one thing toward the end of his reign, the main issue with Jehoram is he becomes physically impaired, physically compromised. Joe Biden, you know, the whole issue about his physical capability. And then at the end of his reign, he had one son left, was his name was Ahaziah. His youngest son. Well, Biden had one son left, his is Hunter, his youngest son. Ahaziah, the name Ahaziah comes from Ahaz, which means to seize. Well, the name to seize becomes another word in Old German, henton, thus the name Hunter. Wow. It's like, you know, it's why. Yeah. Yeah, that connection is that's amazing. Yeah, that's it's nuts. Yeah. And then when then when now, now one of the things that it tells us what's happening right now is that when when Jehu took the throne, you know what he did, Troy? He was, and talk about what's happening now with Donald Trump, he set his agenda to purge the government, purge the government of the house of Ahab. That's exactly what Donald Trump has been doing, to dismantle houses of Ahab. Well, Donald Trump's been a dismantler as well. And the thing is that because because remember Jehu was anointed to roll back the house of Ahab. And so what's happening with Trump? It's not about Trump, and we don't know if he knows what, but he is holding back this agenda. You know, it's amazing. I mean, you know, and and you know, I'll share one more, so much, but one more thing about Trump, and that is that, you know, I said that the template's so precise and so really stunning that it gives exact time period that someone is on the national political stage. Now, with Trump, it's a little different because he was always on the stage, but not political. But so we say, like, when did he, when did it begin? What's the span that he entered the national political stage? Well, most people say 2016 or 2015, but it wasn't. People don't know this. Donald Trump actually ran for, was actually the candidate for president in the year 2000. The Reform Party. He actually won the California primary, you know, and then they pulled out. Well, that's when he entered it. Well, his last year, his full year appointed for him, at least, is the year 28, 2028. Well, that's a 28-year span. Easy to remember. Open the Bible. It says Jehu was on the national stage for 28 years. 28 years. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, that's crazy. Trump 2000, we did a film about him last year. So that's why, yeah, we dove into all of that. You know, Troy, you're the only one I've ever been on a program that that really that knew that. People don't know that. Yeah, it's crazy the and the fallout that happened after that, and how he switched to the Republican ticket and everything. It's, yeah, it's a very interesting history there. Like, I believe God was setting things up, you know, as he went along.

But yeah, how does how does this tie back into, because, uh, you mentioned like, this tied back into, um, the day of his birth? Is that true? Like, that there's something connected there. Oh. Oh. Oh, it will. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If if it's okay with you, let me just let me set up one thing because it's going to make that be much more meaningful. Okay. I'm skipping ahead obviously. Yeah. This is just one thing. One thing. Yeah, because it talks about the avatar. You know what's an avatar? An avatar is, in the belief, the pagan belief, is that it's someone who embodies the god or represents the god or is the living image of the god. In ancient times, you didn't just have gods. You had kings and queens who were considered, pharaohs were considered avatars of the gods. So, we're at the point where we've let these things in. Could we be at the point where you actually have people who could, and even to vie for power? Because if a spirit can possess or rule a king, it can rule the kingdom. So could it have happened to America? Well, this is real key. There is in the concept of the avatar, the belief is, because that's from India, that there's one house, one family that particularly produces human avatars of gods, and that is the house of Brahman. From the house of Brahman was born Kamala Harris, from the house of the avatars. She actually, her maiden, her Hindu name, her Hindu family name is Gopalan, which is named after an avatar. The avatar has to be linked to a god. She's given the name Kamala. Kamala is the name of an ancient goddess. Her middle name is Devi, which means the goddess. So it's Kamala, the goddess. And I won't go into detail except one thing is that her whole life has been following the pattern and mystery of this goddess, and not that she knows. And we got to pray for everybody, we have no enemies, pray for. But it's amazing. And the thing is, here's another thing. There's a day called Sharad Purnima on the Hindu calendar where they celebrate, India celebrates this goddess. Well, when they're celebrating on the day they were celebrating this goddess, Kamala Harris was born into the world. Wow. And they're actually, they actually celebrate the goddess coming into the world while she comes into the world. And so she came into the world, they're chanting Kamala across the world. And that day is also considered the birth of the goddess Kamala. And so Kamala is born on the birth of Kamala. So there's so much to this. But I'll say one thing, and this is going to lead, we'll go to the birth of Donald Trump. But the thing is that, you know, what's the sign of the avatar? You know, America was made to be a nation under God, and you know, governed by God. If she had won, just as a sign, if she had won, we would be a nation governed by one called goddess. You know, in ancient times, they had images of the avatars, the pharaohs, the kings, and they would merge the face of the man or the woman into the imagery of the goddess. Well, just before Kamala Harris won the vice presidency, her family puts an image on the internet, and it's an image of her merged with a Hindu goddess. I mean, all over, "One Nation Under Goddess," you know. And so that shows you. And so now, let me let me go to your question. The other question is, Donald Trump was also born. He was born on a linked to what? Linked to a holy day, but not a pagan holiday, on a biblical one. He was born on Friday, which ushers in the Sabbath. And so on the Sabbath, there's a scripture appointed for every Sabbath from ages past to be read on that day. That means there's a scripture for his birth, for the Sabbath of his birth. So what was it? They're reading it all over the world. At the end, in that passage, it says, "God commands to bring forth an instrument, a trumpet, a trump into the world." Wow. All over the world, they're reading that. And what's a trump? A trump is a vessel. Doesn't have to know what it's doing. It's a vessel. A trumpet is a trumpet is loud, it's jarring, but it's used by God. Now, there's so much to it, but I just want to say, I'll say it to this. We had an election. If we pull away the veil, we had an election where you had one man named Trump, or trumpet, and the other one named Goddess. The goddess. And in the ancient, in the ancient Hebrew use of the trumpet, they would sound the trumpets to drive out the spirits or the gods. So Trump is actually being used to, to drive, to roll back this agenda of the gods in America. I mean, it's amazing, but it's there from his birth. Wow. Yeah, that pattern is so, that's so detailed. It's crazy how God works these things together.

We also mentioned, um, the assassination attempt on Trump's life. So, how does this tie into that? Yeah. And and we'll bring this to where we are. So, yeah, the thing is that that Yeah. There was a time, there was a way that God marked someone that he was going to use for his purposes, and it was when the priesthood, when the candidate for the office of the priesthood, in order to become that, there was a certain ritual, an ancient consecration, and for that person to be marked for God, and they were marked with blood. The blood had to touch the ear of the priest to be marked. Wow. The think of the assassination attempt. And that changed Trump. It had to touch the right ear. Touches the right. Had to touch the tip of the right ear. Touch that. Then it has to touch the hand. First thing he does is brings up his hand, touches the blood. Has to be the right hand. It's that's why it was the right hand. Had to be the right thumb. That's why it was the right thumb. And then it has to go to the feet. And the only way this can go to the feet, the feet has to be involved, is that the shoes of the candidate for the office of the priesthood have to be removed from his feet. Trump is pushed down to the floor, and his shoes are removed, where they were just taken off. He didn't know where they were. And the cere, there's so much to it, but the ritual was seven days. So from the time the blood touches the right ear to the time to the seventh day, on the seventh day, that person receives the vestments, invested to begin to serve for the office of the priesthood for God. Well, if you count the Hebrew days from the time the blood touched, that was one day. Then sundown comes, that begins the next Hebrew day. Sundown. Sundown. Sundown. The seventh day begins Thursday night. Anything happen Thursday night? Trump is standing before the world, and he is invested with the nomination to become president and serve in the office. These were gone. So there's a reason for it. There's a reason. Wow.

So you're not saying you're not saying that Donald Trump is a priest. That's not what you're saying. But but you're you're talking about a parallel and sort of like it's like a, it's a repeat, you know? It's like a Yeah. It's a vessel and anointing and for a purpose. And yet we could, we could say there could, you know, what does the priest do? The priest is supposed to bring his nation to God. Could there be something that God, you know, you know, Donald Trump has done all the other things, but the ultimate is that is God, because that's where it brings it to. Because when you do all the other things, but you don't bring, you don't turn the nation to God, you missed it. Yeah. But the purpose is the same. So you're you're talking about the purpose that God has anointed him for, and other leaders for, is going to point back to the same purposes that God had for the people at that time, the ones that were actually serving God. Yeah, that's amazing. I, this mystery is, yeah, you're right, explosive is the word for it. Yeah, man. The I'm so excited about this book. That's so cool. Thank you, Troy. And and this is again, this what it looks like. It's everywhere. The Avatar is everywhere. If you go online right now, you'll see it. And but you know, pray, get it for people in your life, too, that need to be saved or need to be awakened. I will just say one thing, and we want, I know we want to get to what's happening with the rapture with this thing that's going on. But one thing is that it brings it to the prophetic moment, which is real important, because that, what all these things point to, is that we are in a window. Because that had to do with Jehu, had to do with everything. We're in a window. God gave us a window. And the thing is, what's the window for? If we don't do anything, it's not about if we change the government, but if we don't change people's hearts, the unchanged hearts are going to change the government back, and the gods will return. If we, you know, we drive out the agenda of the gods, but we don't put God's presence in there, the, you know, it's going to come back, you know. So, we have a moment now. And my encouragement to everybody, and this is what the Avatar leads to, we have a call now. It's an incredible moment. We got a window for revival, I mean, as we have never seen. The thing is, if we, if it's the window is there for God. If we don't use it, we don't know if we're going to have this window again. You know, the things have been rolled back so the gospel can go forth. We got to do everything we can to pray for revival as never before, preach the revival and the gospel as never before, and actually choose to live in revival as never before, because then it can begin. So we are at a crucial, crucial, crucial moment, and we dare not miss it.

Yeah, that's so good. But I think the temptation during a moment of a relief of pressure is to turn in on ourselves as the church and say, "Okay, now things might be better for us," but the, it's an opportunity to turn out to the world and say, "Hey, Jesus is the answer that you need." You know, and it's like, he's been the answer for the last 2,000 years, and he's going to continue being the answer. Yeah. I think that's so good. And that is the hope of America, and that's the hope of the world, you know. It's like there, the warning signs are very clear, you know, but also it's like what you said with the window. It's like, man, the word of God, the word of God tells us to be ready in season and out, you know. So whether the window's there or not, but when the window's open, take the opportunity, you know. Yeah. If God, if God is opening the door for us, you know, it's been rolled back. A little while back, people were afraid to speak. Well, that's changed. So we got to speak, you know. And the other thing is that with Jehu, you know, he was a window, but we don't know if there was revival. And after he was gone, we got to go for it, you know, because that is that is the whole point, you know. And the Lord has really made it obvious to us that things are rolling back, but if we don't take the window, the window passes. We'll always preach the gospel, but we've got a moment right now that there can actually be a major revival. This is what it's all leading to. You know, it's almost like a mystery because we don't know where Jehu was at. We don't know where he was at with God, but he was used. So with Donald Trump, it's like he's being drawn, drawn, drawn. He keeps getting, he didn't plan it, but and we got to play this goes to his ultimate thing, which is you can only make America great again if America turns back to the God who made America great in the first place. So true. So good. So, y'all get a copy. There's going to be links below, like I said, to The Avatar. Looks like this, not the movie. Don't get the movie. Make sure it says Jonathan Khan on it. Make sure it's the official one. Yes, the official one, not a fake one. Yeah.

Um, so Jonathan, there has been this rumor circulating. I've seen it all over the place. I think somebody released a prophecy about it, and then also there's been a lot of different like discussions about it, and even ties into like signs in the heavens. You know, there's certain things that people are using to try to say and predict essentially this either a rapture date or a second coming date. What are your thoughts on that? Just just your initial thoughts. Yeah. Um, well, one is one is first of all, with anything like this, I mean, I don't, you know, I mean, this has come up from time to time where people, okay, the rapture is coming, the rapture is coming, the rapture is coming, and it didn't come, you know. And the thing is that you got to be really careful. Yes, we are to be aware, obviously, of the signs of the times, and we are to be ready, you know, and looking for the blessed hope for the coming of the Lord. But at the same time, be very wary of date setting. Most of the dates that are said are are wrong, overwhelmingly wrong. Um, and there's a lot of reasons why we could say that we'd be very kind of skeptical with this one. And there's a lot of people, you know, as soon as they hear something like this, it's great, you know, that's it. But so my overall is, you owe, yes, be open, be ready for the Lord to take you at any moment. But the thing is that get on with the work of the Lord. And the thing is that that, you know, it's not about date setting. God didn't say we're supposed to be doing that. He said, "We're supposed to be getting on with a great commission." That's an overhaul. Yeah.

So, this kind of started, I think originally, this actual date was for a 2017 rapture day, and then I think it's getting repeated now, eight years later. So, they're kind of like, we missed it on that one, but now we're, you know, it's coming back around. Um, so what is this theory behind it that involves the constellation of Virgo? How does that play into it? Yeah, that what you just said is exactly exactly. Well, there's two things. I mean, one is there's an African pastor who said he had a vision where God told where Jesus told him, either I'm coming back or I'm going to take you on September 23rd of 2025. Now, I don't know when he had it. I don't know if he had a vision. And if he had a vision, that doesn't mean it doesn't, you know, anybody. We're told to test the spirits. We're told to every, it doesn't have authority by itself, you know, so that doesn't have to mean anything. Okay, that's one. Secondly, um, the theory was, this theory is based on Revelation 12, which talks about the woman and the child and the dragon. And the woman is Israel. The child is Messiah, gives birth. The dragon is Satan, who wars against the woman. Okay. So that, so this person, you know, the theory was is that there's a constellation up there called Virgo, and Virgo is a ver, stands for virgin. So therefore, this constellation came close to another constellation, Leo. Now, Leo is the lion, is not in Revelation, you know, anyway. But the reason why they thought it was significant is because Leo has star, nine stars, and so the woman has 12 stars on her head. So the theory was that Virgo, I'm sorry, that Leo has nine stars plus three planets that were there at the time, and so you got 12 stars. Okay. Um, and and I mean, that to begin with. And then they said, well, Jupiter is inside, like, you know, in the constellation and kind of comes out. So Jupiter is a king, and so, you know, that's they're linking that up. Um, and then they said the moon kind of rose, and the woman had a moon at her feet, and the sun. But I mean, this is what happens in the sky. Okay. So the thing is, you know, so let me let me just tell you what I think about. Okay. First of all, it's to me, it's very convoluted. Number one. I mean, number two is, is God going to give a sign of his coming that only like an astronomer is going to be really aware of it? Number one, or an astrologer is going to be aware of it? I mean, that doesn't sound. And then, you know, the it says Virgo. Well, Revelation 12 doesn't even say virgin, so even that connection's not there. And then because it happened to be near another constellation that had extra stars to fill up the thing, which wasn't 12 stars anyway, you know, um, it seems very stretched and convoluted. And also, why would God use a vision that has to do with the birth of Jesus, I mean, that part of the vision, to talk as a sign for the rapture? It doesn't, that doesn't seem to go either. But then on top of it, you have there's other problems because Virgo was a pagan goddess. So is God going to use a pagan goddess to talk about, to give a sign to the world? You know, and then on top of it, it's astrology. I mean, astrology is what sets up these constellations and says their meaning are signs of yet to come. Okay? As as I astrology is condemned in the Bible, you know, is God going to use that? So really, to me, to me, Troy, every single, I don't really see anything in it. I mean, to begin with, but on top of that, I see a lot to be concerned about, like those things right there. Then add to the fact that it was in 2017, and they said, and nothing happened, and they thought it was either going to be the end or the rapture. Never happened. So why did it get switched to here? See, I mean, you got something that didn't happen. It's the eighth anniversary. It happened on September 23rd, I believe in 2017. So now September 23rd is the Feast of Trumpets. Okay. But but and it's the eighth anniversary. But what is that to me? What is that really? Where is the significance here? You know, I mean, Feast of Trumpets, and I said that on the on the on the video that I did. Feast of Trumpets may be linked in the future because the theme is trumpets and the end to the one of these end-time events, but we're not saying this event. And you know, and you know, so it's to be, there's so little there, or nothing there, and it's problematic what is there.

Yeah. I I think what I'm hearing you say is like, um, especially with Rosh Hashanah, things like that. It's like there, you know, we do see some patterns in scripture of, you know, God kind of doing some of the new covenant things at the same time that old covenant, you know, celebrations were taking place. Um, we see that pattern, but that doesn't necessarily mean we can use that to predict the future, you know, and and know when he's coming. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, it is absolutely true that the major events of the first coming of the Lord came on these appointed Hebrew holy days, which makes sense. I mean, you know, Passover, resurrection, Pentecost, you know. And so, and what's left are the autumn holy days, which speak about the end, you know. So there is something, I believe there's something definitely to that. Trumpets, then kind of a Day of the Lord, and then Tabernacles, kingdom, you know. But when those happened in the New Testament, they happened once. It was one year, it was the year one, two, three, and then now, you know. So it's so the fact that, do I believe that there may very well be, without being dogmatic, a link between the autumn holy days and the coming Lord? Yes. But that doesn't mean you could just say he's going to come and, okay, it's Rosh Hashanah, so he's coming. I mean, yeah, no. I think that's a, I think that's a very solid point. I think one thing that's made me sad, and I just like to get your take on this, is, you know, I've pushed back a little bit on my channel and not saying I know exactly, you know, when the Lord's coming back or anything like that, and not saying that I know 100% that he's not coming back this month, you know, because I think we're supposed to be ready any day, you know, for his return. Um, and we're not going to know the day or the hour. But, um, when I've pushed back a little bit, I've had people say like, well, they've kind of used the parable of the 10 virgins, you know, where they'll say there's the five wise virgins and the five foolish. And they'll equate knowing when Christ returns to being the in the five wise, if that makes sense, you know, and say if you're not aware of his return, you're going to be cast out or pushed out. What is your response to that? Now, that hurts my heart. I'll just say that as you know, as But what is your response to that notion? That's interesting, you know. Um, well, a few things. First of all, they didn't know exactly when the bridegroom was going to come. Yeah. The fact is at night, because that's where, you know, that's where you have the, it's linked to the Hebrew wedding, and that often happened at night, you know, but they didn't know when. So, you know, they didn't know when he was going to come. So, the point is that, you know, it's the other way around, because it's like having, say, a virgin says, "Ah, he's coming at, he's coming at 7:00." Well, how do you know that? And so I'm ready for 7:00, but then I'm not ready for everything else. I mean, so that doesn't make you more ready because you think you identified it. It makes you more ready when you live in readiness with the oil of the spirit. That's the same perspective I had on it. And it just, it kind of saddens me when, you know, when we convolute the teachings of Christ to fit something we want to happen, you know. And I have a lot of grace for people that want to see Jesus return. It's like, man, I do need to, you know, yeah, like I want to see the suffering in this world, and I want to see the reigning of the king. I want to see these things take place, but more than that, you know, Jesus said, "I came to seek and save the lost." I want my heart to align with the father's heart, which is he doesn't desire anyone to perish, you know, and he's longsuffering. And I believe as

The church, um, God calls us to be in that same place. Yeah. Um, so what is there anything else that you'd like to say about the the whole rapture rumor and all?

Well, yeah. Listen, listen. We have to be It says wise virgins. We have to be wise, you know, just because I mean what we just went through is the evidence when I, by the way, Troy, when I made that video, you know, I didn't read all the stuff yet, you know, I did and I'm going to do another one on it. But but the thing is that that, you know, we have to be wise. We can't just just because someone says something, you know, he's coming in September 23rd and you Whoa, wait, wait, wait, wait. You know, and the Bible actually gives the caution. And it says, "Don't be don't be moved by people saying the coming is there." It says, "Whoa, whoa, whoa." You know, the he won't come until certain things happen. You know, and and think about that. What has to happen? Let's take let's take and I'm not getting into the debate of it. Let's take the pre the pre um the pre-tribulation rapture. Okay? There's And so that you got the most time. You got seven years, the rapture, then seven years. Okay? Well, what has to happen, you know? Well, in the middle of that time, you're going to have the Antichrist desecrating the temple. Okay, that's the that's a three and a half year period. Okay, so you have to have the temple built. Now, now it's three and a half years. So, if it happened now, where's where's the temple's got to be there for a little bit. There's no way, you know, and the other thing you has to be in place, you have to have a one world basically global setup. You don't have that. I mean, things are globalizing, but you don't have that. So, we got to be wise. I mean, three and a half years, you know, you got to be w to be wise stewards and wise virgins. Yeah.

So, essentially, we can see the signs of the time, but we're not seeing some of the specifics that would need to be in place yet. Right. Right. We are we are to see we are in the end times. We know we see the apostasy. We see Israel. We see a million things, you know, but that but this is another this is something we have to be careful about. Yeah. And I honestly believe that that God has power for the church through the through the the word, following the word, but also the Holy Spirit, the presence of the Holy Spirit, his plan. I believe God has power for us to to, you know, for lack of a better word, to win in the time and the season that we live in. And I'm not talking about in the fleshly sense. I'm talking about when it comes to God's plan for our lives. You know, the purpose that he's laid out for us, the things that he's called us as the the global church to do, you know, and the way he's called us to impact the world. there's there's that plan laid out for us and God is the one in control of that. God's the one that's going to see that through, you know, and so it's like I think it is almost an escapism mentality that makes us want to it's like to get away for the wrong reasons. Now, yeah, the word does talk about, you know, longing for his return, you know. So, it's like it is like, man, I I would love to see Jesus come back in the next five minutes, you know, like that would be and I understand it. I mean, that, you know, the the hope is good. The one, you know, but the but you got to have wisdom with the hope.

And the other and the other thing is that that you know we we are in the balance of two things you know on one hand you know Paul said you know I'd rather be with the Lord you know but to you know that but but to live as Messiah I got things to do you know and so the thing is that if we are here in the end times we're here in this time you know it's because God appointed us to be he chose it. So remember that you know you know you're appointed for you have a purpose, you know, if you know, if there wasn't a purpose we wouldn't be here and that is to save and that is proclaim the Lord. So on one hand we have to be ready to to we just keep to press on get Jesus didn't say that we again we have to have this figured out. He said you know when they asked him are is it at this time you're going to you're going to restore the kingdom of Israel. He said it's not for you to know the time that the father has you get going and proclaim the gospel to all nations. You know that's where we are. But the other side is this is another side. When's when are you going to meet the lord? You know, if it's not at that day, it's going to be whenever your heart stops beating. So the day of the Lord can come at any moment for us. So the other part is we got to live a life also that we're ready to meet him. If today was the day, we're ready to meet the Lord. You know, at every at any moment we're this is what it's about. Lord, I'm yours, you know, but because we're only the only thing that separates us from the day of meeting the Lord is one heartbeat. Yeah, that's so good. Well, thank you so much for joining me today, Jonathan. I appreciate that. thanks for your uh insight on the rapture rumor and all of that. Um and and the Avatar. It's been so good. Thank you. Thank Troy. It's always always a joy.