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Hi everyone, Judge Andrew Npalitano here for Judging Freedom. Today is Monday, June 16th, 2025. Alistister Crook will be here with us in just a minute on who's to blame for Israel's attacks, Benjamin Netanyahu or Donald Trump. But first, this.
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Alister Crocodia, my friend, thank you for joining us and of course welcome here. Last month in Saudi Arabia, uh President Trump condemned neocons, denounced western militarism and intervention into the Middle East and proclaimed himself the president of peace. What happened just wasn't true. Uh and it was deception. And we really have uh two deceptions really going on at the moment. Um and what we saw that took place um on Friday, unlucky Friday the 13th um with the attack on Iran um by Israel. Um this was condition if you like made possible because um the Witco and Trump and others had suggested that there would be no attack, no if you like military action by um Israel at all uh while the talks continued, that there'd been a a row between Netanyahu and Trump and that Netanyahu had agreed to no attacks uh during um the the spirit um and of course that was all fake. There was no actual RA because they were all totally in agreement that what should happen next which should be a complete shock, a psychic shock if you like. There's a word for it that the intelligence services are using freely which is a synergistic shock, synergy. Um meaning from having um doing a a surprise attack that took out the commanders of the military force, the line commanders, eight of them. Um and also at the same time uh there was a cyber attack uh on the air defenses.
Now I think Israel thought it was going to last a lot longer. Um but the air force technicians, the Iranian air force technicians worked really hard on this and 8 hours later um the great claims of Israel that they had an open road to the Tehran um were completely overturned and since then we've seen um very strong performance by the air defense systems uh of um uh Iran and this is also um if you like was part of this process that not only was it supposed to be a shock, it was supposed to be such a severe shock. I think it was modeled probably on the Hezbollah model and what was this going to do? It was actually going to collapse the regime. And so they thought and clearly Trump was in this and his team was in it because we know that this was a year in preparation, though obviously being talked much. We know it's a year in preparation because the Israelis say it was a year in preparation. The security force is say it was a year in preparation and therefore it was fully coordinated.
And the other part of it, of course, which shows what's going on, um was that the other part of it was a um they brought in to Iran um various drones um broken up in trucks, wooden trucks, and we're going to play the same, if you like, playbook that they did with Russia against the strategic bombers in Russia, that these drones would suddenly emerge from the backs of vans or from roofs that opened controlled remotely and these would attack the self defense um uh system the air defenses of Iran. Um well that play only lasted for about 8 hours and yes all of the commanders happened to be there was supposed to be an exercise going to happen over the weekend. So all of those military commanders happened to be in one command room, an underground command room um at the time and that the Israelis were aware of it. It wasn't a a secret exercise. It was one with the Russians and others that was well well publicized and they got all of them, eight of them. And then they killed um if you like the Russian um the um Iranian nuclear scientists all of those who are civilians not military people uh were killed um at home um by bombing with their families. Um so this was supposed to really you know actually knock the whole system off balance. Losing their main line of command, losing their air defense, losing these scientists was supposed to create such a psychic shock um that the whole of the government would be destabilized and off-balance rather as Hezbollah was off balance and it was off balance for a period after the loss of Hassan Masala and the Hezbollah leadership and they thought then what with also The second layer of this was going to be uh sabotage. They introduced if you from um uh outside of the country uh groups and saboteurs mostly from the mek the mid mojin alak um into uh attacking um and placing bombs. So many of these things that you see today are not actually um fired by aircraft. Uh these are car bombs and bombs.
Um there however what was quite striking was um that Iran recovered very quickly. It recovered its command structures quickly; it com it recovered its air defense system uh and then decided and made plans um to for its own self-defense. So what we're seeing I just want to underline what we're seeing is um really what has happened is a complete attack on a paradigm uh of thinking on the sense of if you like the invulnerability of Israel, of Israel as a technical giant, of Israel whose future must be assured who has the backing of the west. That this was something that it was a perception, a perception that has underlone um politics for many years. And suddenly the whole paradigm was being cracked because Iran decided that they were going to retaliate and retaliate fully and also then put it into practice very quickly and have been doing so uh ever since. So this paradigm change is going to change the whole balance of politics, geopolitics I believe everywhere, not just in region but of course Russia if you read uh Ria Navasti um today is saying well quite clearly you know this was a rehearsal for us again you know the tactics that we saw on the ground with the tactics we've seen um that the intelligence services, the MOSAD, the CIA, MI6, all of them using they're all one pattern. And this is a pattern that is being exported and used. It's obviously something that has been deliberated on for a year or more. We saw that in the attacks on the strategic bombers uh in um Russia. And the purpose of it is all the same; the purpose to weaken Iran, to weaken Russia, to attack Russia, to divide Russia from China and eventually allow the United States uh to pivot uh towards China. So Russia have come very clearly to that conclusion and and and um so they are acting accordingly.
So what does it all mean? I think if you allow me just a few more minutes to say sure the the things that matter then we were had you know a surprise attack that worked for a short while. There's no doubt it was a surprise and it took Iran by was a shock to Iran but they recovered quite quickly. So now we're in a war and um Iran is using very um powerful missiles um some of them hypersonic. Initially they were using older missiles and then they've been advancing them and we're seeing that effectively um this has now proved that the air defenses now of Israel have been largely ineffective. um the uh uh the main air defense layers of Israel are just not working are not stopping the new attacks and they are targeting very clearly now it is turned and this is a strategic shift that has been made by Iran there they're targeting strategic sites inside including the Ministry of Defense sites the research bureaus um the missile production facilities, um some energy, the gas at Hifur, the oil, um the refinery at Hifer, all of these have been and the damage is now severe.
So where are we? I think really, you know, although we the details of the military situation are are sort of lost in a fog of war in some cases, but really one has to look at two things. I think to decide you know where it is going and and one of it is um popular support and I think that this whole exercise was based on the conviction of Trump and Netanyahu together thinking that um Iran is weak um that it is ripe for a regime change that a big sudden shock of the decapitation of losing its air defenses was going to bring about a big popular uprising and antagonism against Iran. Well, that hasn't happened. In fact, if anything, it's the opposite. There's extreme anger in Iran. There are demonstrations in Iran, but they're all demonstrations against the United States and Israel. and and the country has coalesced around the leadership and the leadership has coalesced uh in a very significant way and so we are seeing therefore um a a popular support a growing populist support in Israel on the other hand Israel Israelis perhaps have not had that history of sufferings that Iranians have had uh and of forbearance and resolve Um and clearly um some of the Israeli commentators and the security commentators are questioning how many days can you know the Israel see this the the the situation like this with huge um destruction in Tel Aviv. I mean that's where most of the security elements are cited in big urban areas like Hifur or in Tel Aviv. But there are pictures and images of whole apartment blacks being knocked down, of houses being damaged. Uh, no one knows exactly the figures. It's all there's a complete news blackout from Israel. Almost nothing gets through um in terms of the detail of what's happened.
So now this is where we are. And the answer long answer to your question I is that first of all um the first deception um was the one of WhitF uh and Trump uh saying that on the 13th, this was Sunday, there were going to be new negotiations and the negotiations were making progress and they were looking good and and all of that was to prepare for this if you like um the the shock attack um that was thought it could actually bring down the the government in in in Iran. But the other one uh which uh Ronan Bergman um the prominent um Israeli um commentator security uh senior security official is saying is that General Michael Kurilla throughout this period was telling the security officials that oh yes it was assured America would join in you and also not only would they join in and support um Israel in attack on Iran. But he was also suggesting um that um it was that America would release its mother of all bombs, the MOAB, the 11 ton bunker buster bomb that can only be carried by B1 or B2 um American bomber and that he would they would shortly be seeing all all of these big um bombers being um sent to to Diego Garcia and that for sure um the United States would be participating in the attacks on on Iran. Uh well, that hasn't happened so far. I'm not saying it won't happen, that Trump will not join in. Um but I'm saying um that the prospects are not clear because what has become absolutely apparent as I've been saying and others on your program been saying the Israel is just not capable of destroying the nuclear sites of Iran. They cannot do it with the equipment the bombs that they have; it's not possible to destroy it without the United States. So without destroying the nuclear program um really Israel is just reduced to what was always called the the the dahi option which is to go and attack civilians in Thran and you've heard cats the the defense minister saying you know we'll make Thran burn. This is a dahi option where you just attack civilian areas, bomb hospitals, facilities in order to put pressure on the people to turn against their leaders. Well, it's not working so far, but we there's a long way to go in this war and so we will see what the next steps turn out to be.
Sorry for such a long description.
Oh, no, no, no. Please don't be sorry. It was a brilliant and gifted uh terrific up-to-date summary of where uh where things stand now. What kind of there's doesn't seem to be any dispute but that the president personally participated in the deception, the nonsense about snubbing Netanyahu, the nonsense about going to the Middle East and avoiding uh Israel. What damage did Donald Trump personally do to American diplomacy in the future? I mean, stated differently, who would believe anything the president or his diplomats say in negotiations if he's going to end up, we'll play the clip in a minute, killing killing the people with whom he's negotiating. But it no it is already obvious and you can see this uh reflected directly if you look at the statements by China uh and of Russia at the UN security council um emergency meeting and they were absolutely clear this was illegal. It was against the UN charter. It was against the standards of uh values of the diplomatic world. It was against international law and they condemned it utterly. And this will have an impact because there's a thing under article 51 of the United Nations which means the it's called the collective defense and that Iran can appeal to the collective defense procedures. so that countries like China, states like Russia, like Pakistan, I mean, have an absolute legitimate um reason and are obliged to come to the help of Iran. So I mean already we've seen a Chinese cargo plane arriving in Thran, Pakistan and there is very strong reporting suggesting Pakistan's already sent missiles across the Beluch border uh into Iran to support um Iran in this case. So I think that is the consequence that there is now a complete settled position. is going to that China and Russia have taken such an unrelenting stand um on this program um is is crippling for America this credibility and its ability to to do wider diplomacy.
Do we know the nature and extent of American and British planning and aid in the execution? I mean, was it just this deceptive dance uh that Donald Trump perpetrated or were MI6 and CIA seriously uh working with MSAD? Um uh yes it it's quite clear this is the new pattern of the intelligence services the synergy that they are trying to get of getting all branches of uh intelligence and um sabotage and um terrorism working jointly together and this is their new pattern. I think it was some time ago they started agreeing to move um to what they call an asymmetric pattern o of warfare against China, against Russia, against all of its enemies. Um and this is the pattern that we see and clearly it is um closely coordinated um between the western intelligence services very closely.
Do you uh believe the reports in the west this morning that Prime Minister Netanyahu asked President Trump for permission to assassinate the Ayatollah and President Trump declined to give that permission? It's hard for me to believe Netanyahu asking for permission from anybody. But what's your view on this? No, I don't think so. and and it um uh not by Netanyahu personally because people don't believe much what he said but people in the security establishment in in Israel and many of them are deeply skeptical about this whole operation and deeply worried about where it's going to end up for Israel um have said very clearly no this never happened I mean there was no sense of that I mean of course you know decapitation including the supreme leader would have a devastating ating effect in Iran. But I mean first of all you know the question is could they do it and is that what they would want? I mean clearly one part of this pattern after the decapitation and the shock and the psychological shock that was being inflicted was that we've seen you know all the deployment um some of whom have been captured of Mosad agents mek officials and uh operatives um going in and placing car bombs to pretend it was um uh Israeli missiles that was striking Iran when it wasn't. it was car bomb set by individuals um in in it and at other parts where you've seen attacks claimed across Iran. Many of those were drones and they seem to have been drones that were being launched from um the north uh from Asaban in the direction of the Caspian into it and then these are sort of projected and as I say we're in a fog of war deep information war. So we have to be very careful of claims. But it looks as if many of these things were actually drones with quite small warheads that were being fired from out of Aabaijan uh to give the impression that um Israel had a much greater reach of its air. In fact, it's not actually in Iranian airspace at all at these times. It has drones in the airspace, but its aircraft are mostly sitting or or or outside the airspace and doing standoff attacks.
Um, sounds like before we go, it sounds to me uh like the euphoria that the pro-Zionist uh folks manifested on Friday has dissipated. True. Yes. And uh this is why suddenly there's alarm and I'm not at all wouldn't be at all surprised uh that calls going out to Trump and saying you know we're in a mess and what we going to do about it how are we going to get out of this mess but I don't think um Iran is going to accommodate that they are I think that they have moved away from strategic patience and that they are engaged now in a war to demilitarize Israel against its military structures rather like Putin is engaged in a war to demilitarize Ukraine. So now Iran has made a decision yesterday that it is going to attack hard and it is going to demilitarize um Israel. I can't tell you if that will be successful, but that is what is intended. And I don't think they're about to back down into a truce or into uh some form of um ceasefire and certainly not until they've reached their objectives. Will that be talks again um with the Americans? So, this has been a big failure.
Here is before we go, Alistair, uh here is a clip from June 13 from your longtime friend and colleague, Professor Muhammad Morandi, who will be on the show with us at 2:00 Eastern uh this afternoon. Very clear, very precise, and I think very accurate. Chris, cut number one.
We were at the negotiating table. It was Trump that conspired with Netanyahu to attack Iran. This is how you twist the truth. You shouldn't invite me because you're easily exposed. He Iran was negotiating. Initially Trump had one position and so did Witco and then they flipped and said no enrichment and then they continued the negotiations and the night before the attack Trump said that we don't want war. And then after the attack, he said, "We're all for it." And you're saying Iran, is Iran going to come back to the negotiating table? The audacity. Come on. Be a bit Show at least a bit of integrity. A bit of integrity will help.
Okay. I'm going to guess you agree with that. I mean, the evidence is manifest. Yeah. I mean, you know, the the it was a big gamble. It was a big gamble that they could cause a sort of a major collapse. uh regime change um in Iran uh and it looks as if it hasn't worked and instead of which it it is Israel itself uh that's coming under huge pressure and its populace is beginning to say where are we what's next where is this leading oh are are we going to lose more of our homes and more of our um um living standards as they as tan is, if you like, continues the attacks.
I want to play one more clip because I said that I would. Dana Bash of CNN was apparently given uh a brief interview with the president. I think it was on the telephone and she wasn't permitted to record it, but she did call into her CNN colleagues immediately after the conversation she had with President Trump to report what he said. And it is in this conversation, again unrecorded, we're going by her notes and her memory, uh that the president boasted that we killed the people with whom we're negotiating. Chris cut number 12.
And then he went on to say this, Iran should have listened to me when I said, you know, I
I gave them a 60-day warning, and today is day 61.
And then he said they, meaning Iran, should now come to the table to make a deal before it's too late. Uh, and then he said something uh really noteworthy. He said, "The people I was dealing with are dead, the hardliners." Uh, to which I just wanted to underscore, so what you're saying is Israel has now killed the people who you were dealing with. And he said very sarcastically, they didn't die of the flu. They didn't die of CO. I don't know how you reply to that, Alistair. It's not worthy of a reply.
Right. Right. Thank you, my dear friend. Um, you need never apologize for your lectures. They are brilliant, gifted, and nowhere else to be found. Thank you so much. We may have to call on you again this week. God only knows what's going to happen. We deeply appreciate every piece of information and analysis you've given us, and we look forward to seeing you soon. Thank you my dear friend. Thank you very much. Thank you. Always a pleasure. Of course. Thank you.
Coming up later today, our usual Monday schedule with two surprises. Uh, at 10:00 this morning on all of this, Ray McGovern. At 11:30 this morning, on all of this, Larry Johnson. At 1:00 this afternoon on all of this, Scott Ritter. And at 2:00 this afternoon from Thrron, Professor Sead Muhammad Morandi, the former advisor to the Iran nuclear program. Judge Npalitano for judging freedom. Heat. Hey, heat. Hey, heat.