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[Music] The Vietnamese ice coffee had cyanide in it. Coffee was poisoned. She drank the coffee. She's now dead. Okay. She's Australia's iced coffee killer who poisoned her best friend. Poisoning someone is a very personal way of killing somebody, isn't it? They still can't prove anything. Cold, calculated revenge. Like, it's crazy. It It is crazy. Yeah. And a key Aussie witness speaks out for the first time. Based on the two sides of her that I saw in the work environment, she was on a trail of destruction. It It was horrific. Hello, I'm Michael Usher and welcome to Spotlight.
Sydney Cider Jessica Wongo is better known as the smiling coffee killer. Almost a decade ago, the then 27-year-old brazenly and fatally poisoned her best friend in a cafe while holidaying in Jakarta. Now, after serving just 8 years of a 20-year sentence, she's out and fighting to clear her name so she can return home to Australia. In her first ever tell-all interview, Jessica sits down with Liam Bartlett to share her version of events. But as you'll see, she hasn't quite got her story straight.
Hello, Jessica. Hi. Good to see you. Good to see you, too. Thanks for coming. Thank you for having me. There's something you can't quite pin down about convicted murderer Jessica Wongo. Is this former New South Wales ambulance worker innocent? As half the Indonesian population seemed to think if you didn't do it, who put the cyanide in Muna's coffee? Oh, you know, I'm not allowed to say that. I'm not allowed to answer your question. Or is she, as those who are convinced of her guilt like to put it, completely mad, crazy, split personality, psycho narcissist? Is there a good Jessica and a bad Jessica? The mic on? Yeah, your mic's on. Yeah.
Jessica Wongo's infamy has made her Indonesia's most recognizable young woman. Do you know who this is? It's easy to forget that this Aussie resident who was trying to clear her name so she can rejoin her family back in Australia is a killer. January 6, 2016. Three young women are catching up for a coffee at one of Jakarta's classiest cafes. Jessica Wongo has recently arrived from Sydney where she's lived since she was 16. She hasn't seen former best friend MNA Salahin since a falling out the year before. She's taken the liberty of pre-ordering her an iced coffee ahead of time. But seconds after MNA takes her first sip, she begins convulsing and foaming at the mouth. In just over an hour, she'll be dead. And so begins the most compelling murder mystery in Indonesian history. What was the reaction of Jessica? Why wasn't she panic enough when Midna collapsed? The entire nation is so instantly intrigued that TV presenter Tim Marunalo will be given his own nightly news show on Indonesia's largest network to cover the daily drama of Jessica's trial. So every single detail mattered right after that moment right there.
[Music] Can you remember? Can you vividly remember that moment that MNA took a mouthful of that poison coffee? Well, um firstly, um you Well, I'm not really comfortable of you saying the like how you call it coffee, but um why why is that? Yeah, because I'm still not sure like if it's like is it really that scary? Is it is it really that poisonous? As you'll see, Jessica disputes just about every single aspect of this case. But how exactly did she and Ma Salahin become the central players in a case that has captivated not only Indonesia but Australia? Cyanide laced coffee and the world. Are you sure Jessica? Million percent.
Privileged young women from rich families, Jessica and MNA met while studying graphic design at the Billy Blue Design College in Sydney. Just days after Mner's death and before being arrested for her murder, Jessica gushed about their friendship on Indonesian TV. When we were in college, we would go out to eat or to drink coffee. Every time we met, we always reconnected. We would always be laughing and having a good time. But in the first of what will be a series of stunning back flips, Jessica now appears to rewrite her own history. Can you describe to me what your friendship with MNA was? We weren't close at all. It was because we we came from the same country like that was why we kind of like know each other and it's nothing more than like we weren't best friends or anything. And after graduations she went back to Indonesia for good and I stayed in Australia. Whatever the state of their friendship over the next four years the pair only saw each other intermittently. Jessica was for all intents and purposes an Aussie living in Sydney. She had an Australian boyfriend and was working for the New South Wales Ambulance Service as a graphic designer. While MNA was enjoying a successful personal and professional life in Indonesia until that coffee catchup in 2016 when Jessica was visiting Jakarta for the first time in 4 years. What was the original purpose of that fateful meeting at the cafe between Jessica and Mner? It was a normal meeting. Very normal meeting, you know, at a coffee spot. We do that two three times a day I guess here in Jakarta. There was an importance on how was their relationship before that meeting but can't really say that that could lead to a murder.
The timeline prosecutors used to establish Jessica's guilt begins at 1:00 p.m. that day, well before she gets to the upmarket Olivia Cafe in one of the city's Ritzia's shopping malls, hours in advance of their scheduled catchup. Jessica wants to pre-order her friend's drinks. At 100 p.m. that day, you send a text to your friends asking them if you can pre-order the drinks. What? Why would you do that 4 hours before? I did say that. Oh, I don't 10:4 p.m. Which drink do you want? That's your text message. Oh, yeah. This makes this makes everything bad. No, but they say, "Don't don't worry. You know, it's fine. We'll order when we get there." And you you insist on pre-ordering drinks 4 hours before. Why why do you do that? I don't know. Maybe because I think that I was going to be there earlier. Maybe I didn't have like an evil thoughts at that time. So everything that I did, it was kind of like, oh, that's what what I felt right to like, you know, felt like the right thing to do. If you think of me with a good intention, I I wouldn't um I I didn't even remember. I I don't know. I can't remember like why I said that. It's just it's a little bit strange, isn't it? Yeah. Okay. Well, that happened then. I can't say anything more.
[Music] She and MNA and a third friend, Honey, had all agreed to meet up at 5:00 p.m., but Jessica arrives at the cafe nearly an hour and a half early at 3:32. Police will claim it's time she uses to prepare for her crime. Why? Why did you get this so early? Because of the of the traffic rule. It have to be at least three people or something like in the car at a certain time. Jakarta's traffic congestion rules allow only cars with three occupants to use main roads during peak periods. So, it wasn't like I deliberately wanted to come early or anything. It's just because I had to.
If Jessica's actions up to this point were entirely innocent, as she claims, what she does next is much harder to explain. She spends the next 40 minutes or so in the shopping mall nearby, returning at 4:14 p.m. with three shopping bags, each containing only a single small bar of soap. Oddly, she then walks around the cafe, checking out different locations. As she looks around, she seems to be not just scouting the place, seeing if it's nice enough for me and my friends, but actually looking at the seat positions. And as we see at certain times, she actually looks at the CCTV. Clearly, you're looking around. I mean, what are you looking for? I don't think I was looking around finding CCTV, to be honest. I never really actually did that like in a public place. But if I was looking around like if my eyes go somewhere I could be probably looking at like something or like someone or you know like people around me and if they want to perceive it as oh she was looking around for CCTV then it's going to happen like that.
Whether deliberately or by chance the table Jessica chooses is hidden from the closest CCTV camera which is blocked by a plant. But there's a second camera rolling on the other side of the cafe. It captures Jessica's drinks order arriving shortly after she sits down. Two cocktails for herself and Honey and an iced coffee for MNA. She then appears to arrange the three shopping bags around the drinks, effectively hiding them from the CCTV camera. Jessica, as you know, a lot has been made of the placement of the bags, the three shopping bags on the table. Mhm. Why did you place the three bags on the table? Oh, it's just again, it's just me being me. Like, I just put it there and it's like shuffle it and play with it and it's like me just, you know, being bored. It really doesn't mean anything at all. Like if I have to be honest with you. So, it's just a pure coincidence that shielded the CCTV from the drinks. Did she strategically place those shopping bags? We don't really know. You can't really measure that. If you strategically, you know, handled a gun or strategically placed a trap, you could know that that was done intentionally uh with malice, you know. But strategically placing a shopping bag, that's either coincidental or pure genius.
[Music] 52 minutes later, at 5:16 p.m., MNA and Hani arrive. Almost immediately, MNA sips her Vietnamese iced coffee. The CCTV camera on the far side of the cafe captures what happens next. Although grainy, MNA can be seen clearly distressed, fanning her face. Do you remember that moment? Well, I think she just took a sip and after that she was saying something like it tastes really weird and stuff and after that she got really sick and that's it. It's pretty much all I remember. Like just people just like swarming around like I didn't know what happened at that time. I didn't know. Well, when she threw her head back, you can see it in the CCTV. It's it's quite confronting, isn't it? I mean, it's a terrible thing. But I didn't know what to do about it, though. Like, what what can I do? Like, what could I do?
Next, Jessica's story begins to unravel. If you didn't do it, somebody else did. Right. Maybe. And later. It was horrific. For the first time, Jessica's former Australian boss lifts the lid on her dark side. Do you still think that she is capable of murder? It's 5:24 p.m. MNA Salahin has just collapsed in Jakarta's Olivia Cafe after sipping an iced coffee bought for her by her friend from Australia, Jessica Wongo. When MNA collapsed at the table, what did Jessica do? Once Mirna collapsed, her friends tried to help her. And Jessica, as we see on the video, she just kind of stood still. And this was what a lot of people thought was not normal. Instead, Jessica zeros in on MN's coffee. You turn to the cafe manager at that point and you say, "What did you put in that drink?"
[Music] Yeah. Because it was just like the first instinct like she she got sick just straight after she drank the coffee. Suspicious, the cafe manager keeps the coffee for police. In the days following, they'll confirm it contains cyanide. One of the deadliest poisons on Earth. Even touching it can cause intense skin irritation. Mner is then on the floor. Froth coming out of her mouth, convulsing. And you're standing off to one side. You can see just sort of scratching your hands. Oh, it's it's my habit. It's your habit. I always do this. When you're nervous or like Yes. Yeah. I always do this. like it's just like it's just kind of like a habit kind of thing. But it doesn't mean that it's like itchy or something from poison and stuff like that. No, it's not like that. Like how they No, I didn't I didn't I didn't suggest that. I'm not saying that you made the suggestion. I'm just saying you're standing there scratching your hands, but you but you're not helping. MNA is wheeled out and just over an hour later dies in hospital. Her symptoms are consistent with cyanide poisoning. And though it will later be contested, police claim there are traces of the poison in her stomach. Let's keep it very simple. The Vietnamese iced coffee. Yeah. Yeah. It was later proved to have cyanide. Your friend MNA took a mouthful of that coffee. Yeah. She then froth to the mouth, convulsed, and was sent straight to hospital where she died. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that. Coffee was poisoned. She drank the coffee. She's now dead. That simple. Okay. And how else do you make that look any different than what it was? Um I I shouldn't even tell you like Li I'm so sorry. There's a lot of there there are a lot of things that I'm not allowed to say like in public including stating things like you know I didn't do uh what people think that I did.
Jessica says her parole conditions and a judicial review of her case prevent her from publicly declaring her innocence. So here's the key question. If you didn't do it, who put the cyanide in munus coffee? Oh, you know, I'm not allowed to say that. I'm not allowed to answer your question. You're allowed to have an opinion. No, no, I'm not allowed to have that kind of like I'm not I'm not supposed to force my opinion publicly. Yeah. I'm sorry. Can't answer that. But but if you didn't do it, somebody else did, right? Maybe. I could only say maybe.
[Music] I could only say that something killed her. Of course, that's that's probably the only fact that we have in this case, that something killed Mirna. But as we've seen, it was Jessica's suspicious behavior that put her in the spotlight of guilt. And that behavior got even more suspicious after Mner's death. Jessica sent a news article about poisoned coffee to MN's sister. Well, before police revealed the existence of cyanide, you send a link to Ma's sister talking about coffee. Oh, fake coffee with cyanide in it. Why would you think along those lines? Maybe someone told me something about it because I never heard of that, you know, type of person before. I must have reason, which I can't remember right now. Honest to God, I can't remember. But, um, I must have reason for it. So, you were telling me you've never heard of Sinai before this? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Didn't know of its existence? No. Which is strange considering Jessica's intense curiosity about any tests that might have been carried out on Mner's body. It's the suggestive nature of all this, the little things along the way. Yeah. Like the day that you rang Ma's sister Sandy. Yeah. The same day MNA officially died in hospital and you asked her what the lab test results were. Why did you do that? Yeah, because I I I I remember um after she died, she she was like kind of like she was taken to the place where the test was taken, like the the sample. So, I was just curious like what happened, you know, like when your friend just died, you just want to know what happened. That's it. I found it very strange that she would put a call in to MNA's sister and ask her Oh, yeah. Yeah. What the test results were from the lab. Um, that seems like a strange thing to ask uh the sister of a dead girl. I remember talking to the family and I think they were kind of triggered about that phone call. So, that's very very strange. Very, very strange. Very, very, you know, suspicious. That was enough for a lot of people to accuse that that that's strange enough for me to believe that he did it. But perhaps Jessica's most puzzling act occurred in the hours after the crime. One that really caught our attention is how she no longer had the clothes she wore at the time of the incident. The pants that you were wearing that day at the cafe. Yeah. Your housekeeper told the child that you instructed her to throw them out. Yeah. Because it was ripped. Like I was really fat at that times and and the rip was like not in the seam. It was it was kind of like here. So it was like unrepainable. Like you you can't repair that. So I just told her to get rid of it. I find it very strange that you would burn your clothes just because you don't want to wear them anymore. And apparently that's what happened. And we're forced to believe that that's a normal thing.
[Music] 3 weeks after Ma Salahin's death, Jessica was charged with her murder.
[Music] Next, Australia's iced coffee killer on trial. To see you in front of all those cameras were laughing almost. I just thought that was a very strange reaction. And was her best friend's wedding her motive for murder? Because I I wondered why you didn't get invited to the wedding. I can't remember. Did she invite me? I can't even remember.
[Music] A former Sydney woman has smiled after being told she'll spend the next 20 years in an Indonesian jail for putting cyanide in her friend's coffee, poisoning her to death. Jessica Wongo's hopes of ever returning home to her family in Australia are increasingly unlikely. In police custody, facing the possibility of the death penalty for the murder of her best friend. It's clear why she swiftly became known as the smiling coffee killer. To see you in front of all those cameras and you're you're sort of smiling, you know, you're you're laughing almost. I mean, I I just thought that was a very strange reaction for somebody who's been accused of this sort of heinous crime. Yeah. Well, I didn't know what to do. What was I supposed to do? What would be more acceptable publicly? Cry, angry, like I don't know what I did was wrong. Anyway, so yeah, I was just like I'm naturally a friendly person, so I just do smile a lot.
Indonesia's trial of the century began on June 15, 2016. From day one, it captivated the nation and for the next five months was compulsory viewing. The trial, Jessica, I mean, here in Indonesia, the trial was compared to the OJ Simpson trial in America just in terms of publicity and profile. Were you surprised by the scale of all that? Yeah, it was really surprising. I didn't expect that at all. Like, it was just so big. like the audience like it's literally the whole country, you know, like wow. There was hotly disputed forensic evidence and emotional denials from Jessica and a touch of absurdity, a prosecution expert who presented a psychological evaluation of Jessica. But this damning profile was based on the shape of Jessica's face.
[Music] These questionable aspects of the trial would later be covered in a major Netflix documentary, which many credit as the reason Jessica got out of jail 12 years early. A major point of contention seized on by the documentary was the relatively small amount of cyanide found in Mner's stomach. Compared to the very high concentration found in her coffee. As we know in the trials, uh it's something to be debated on was there cyanide in the drink? How much cyanide was there? Even all the way to did cyanide actually kill Mirna. Without conclusive forensic evidence, prosecutors had to convince the judges of what they believed Jessica's motive was. They claimed she flew into a rage when MNER told her to leave her Australian boyfriend, Patrick. What What about the suggestion that you got really angry with her at a restaurant when she told you you should drop this boyfriend, this toxic I I didn't even tell like the funny thing is like I didn't even tell her about him. So, where did that come from?
There's no doubt Jessica's relationship with her Australian boyfriend Patrick was so toxic he took an AVO out against her. He Jessica took out a restraining order against you. Why did he do that? Yeah, it was complicated. It was like, you know, like the relationship we had, it was kind of like toxic in a way like we we didn't really see eye to eye like in a lot of things, but it was complicated like it's but it's not how it seems. In his application for a restraining order, Patrick said he was in fear of Jessica. I mean, I guess the bottom line is, do you have the potential to be violent? No. No, of course not. What can I do? No. No. But that's why I'm wondering about his actions there. Taking out a restraining order is, you know, is quite a thing to go to. I just Well, I'm not here to talk about him. Like, honestly, we can do that off camera obviously, but um yeah, he was in the past. I'll tell you the reason later. Okay. She never did. MNA's husband has said publicly that she was afraid of being alone with you. Why would she be No, that's not true at all. Why would he say that? I don't know. That's the thing, Liam. I don't know why people say what they said. Yeah.
But what is undeniably true is that in the wake of their falling out over Patrick, Mner failed to invite Jessica to her upcoming wedding. This is the luxury Balines wedding venue where MNA got married. She said it was the happiest day of her life, but it also seems to be the trigger point for what ultimately was her horrible murder. You see, back in Sydney, Jessica was said to be seething when she saw the Facebook photos and realized she hadn't been invited. 2 days later, she was sacked by New South Wales ambulance. And if you believe what you hear in court, that's when the wheels fell off and she started plotting her revenge. I wondered why you didn't get invited to the wedding. Oh, because I was off. Like I was in Australia. Like I yeah I just I couldn't be bothered to like fly over just to you know like just to attend her wedding. But but you didn't get that choice, did you? She didn't invite you. I can't remember. Did she invite me? I can't even remember. I can't remember. Yeah, I think she was telling me that she was getting married and that's it. Yeah.
The judges found that Jessica spiraled into jealousy and resentment. Within a month of the wedding, she flew to Jakarta and arranged that fateful coffee catchup. Jessica had no job and no boyfriend, while MNA had it all. So this idea of you being jealous of her because she was prettier, because her family was wealthier, because she was more successful, because she got married. No. No, not at all. Sometimes the reality and what people said about the reality, they are really different, but there's no way that I could actually um clarify that because it's just really tiring and there's no points if people You were saying there's a lot of lies that have been told. Yeah. Many. But on October 27, 2016, Jessica was found guilty of murdering MNA Celah. And what helped to sway the judges to their verdict? Damning testimony from this Australian witness. Do you still think that she is capable or was capable of murder?
[Music] Next, her boss who saw Jessica's dark side based on the two sides of her that I saw in a work environment. She was on a trail of destructions. It It was horrific.
[Music] [Music] Jessica Wongo was sentenced to 20 years for the murder of MNA [Applause] Salah. But although the case played out in Indonesia, it was in Australia, Jessica's adopted home, that critical testimony would be heard against her. Oh, hey Christie. How are you? How good is Do you still think that she is capable or was capable of murder? That's a really tough question. Christy Carter was Jessica's boss at the New South Wales Ambulance Services head office in Sydney. What I can say is that under police interview at that time I was asked that question and I answered it truthfully. I answered it honestly based on the two sides of her that I saw in the work environment and in the personal where she was on a trail of destruction. Christy has promised herself and her partner that this exclusive interview will be her first and last about the trauma she and others suffered from Jessica.
[Applause] So MNA's death really has had an impact on you. What sticks with me and what has an impact is that that is someone's daughter, someone's sister. It's never been up to me whether she was guilty or innocent. It's up for the court to decide that. But I think for MNA, they need to decide that once and for all. I have no opinion on her guilt or innocence. For me, it was questioning around capability, around behavior, and around her mental state at that time. And what people saw in the office was not what was transpiring outside that. You lived in Australia for quite a while. Yes. How many years? Uh about like 11, 12 years. In a case with little forensic evidence and a motive of revenge, prosecutors had to delve into Jessica's past to paint a picture of her character. And her boss, Christy Carter, testified she'd seen Jessica's life in Australia unravel. Particularly at work. Why did they ask you to leave? I kind of like um I I had a really difficult time at that time kind of thing. So it was like in the past I um there are things that I'm not very proud of, you know, like I did a lot of things in the past. So yeah, this not something I want to talk about right now. It's not surprising Jessica is reticent to answer the question given that around the time she lost her job, she had a self-confessed drinking problem. Residents said a Lyart nursing home got an alarming wakeup call last night after a car slammed into the building and she was arrested for crashing her car into a Sydney nursing home. The 26-year-old woman was behind the wheel and police suspect under the influence. You crashed your car into that nursing home, the aged care home in Lyart. You were lucky not to die, Jessica. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think I'm lucky? Like after I've been through, you think that lucky? Like I should have, you know, passed. Well, you were certainly lucky not to kill one of the aged care residents. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was lucky for that. Were you drinking then? Yes. Yes. I was having those moments like uh um you know like I was just Yeah. When you were called on to help her towards the end of her employment, was it really clear to you that her behavior was so erratic? Yeah, it was erratic. It was dangerous to herself and to others. It was horrific. We were an accidental witness to behavior that was damaging and dangerous that not everyone saw. Not everyone saw that. You know, we kept it very quiet at work and protected her. Christy Carter told the Indonesian National Police she believed Jessica had a split personality. I'm I'm trying to find a way of reconciling the description that some people have for you. Mhm. So, so Christy Carter, for example, your boss at New South Wales Ambulance Service. Yeah. Yeah. She told the court that you had two very different personalities. But, but did you check? Did she actually say that? Let me quote exactly what she said. She said that after observing you for 8 months, she said, quote, "From your attitude, hatred, and nature of your craziness." My god. She had no doubt that you were capable of hurting or killing another person. Wow. That's that's that's crazy. But but that's not the first time you've heard that. I've heard a lot of bad things about that like back in the past like in like in 2016. But um I just think that something must have pushed her to say something like that because we had like a like a pretty good like you know like a relationship. So I don't know. I don't know what happened there. I honestly don't know. Jessica thinks that you have been somehow pushed to say the things that you said about her. Were you pushed at all? Look, Liam, it's not my integrity or my character that should really be in question here. I think like so many of the other Australians that were involved in the investigation, we wanted no part in this. It was a shock to us to even be questioned, but we were legally compelled to confide.
Backing Christie's testimony, the Australian Federal Police found chilling emails, Jessica had written to herself saying Christy and her mom should die and claiming to know the right dose of poison needed to kill someone. So Christie, some of Jessica's comments and some of the things she wrote about the right dose of poison and the fact that you should die and your mom should die. Those things were presented to me as part of interview. Some things I wasn't aware of and they stick with me today. I was so like others just so deeply traumatized by having been dragged into this entire experience. If you wanted to kill someone, you knew exactly how to do it and what the right dose was. So false. Like I at that time I was thinking like what? She did actually say that. Like I never even said anything like that. Like not even remotely close. Why would I even say that to my boss? Like it's crazy. It is crazy. But yeah, I didn't know what happened. Honestly, I don't know. Even if even if I was the person that she was she talked about. Yeah. They still can't prove anything, you know, like it's just completely prove it. It's I just don't think it makes sense. But anyway, next. I mean, who in their right mind is going to employ you? No offense, nobody in the office is going to trust you to go and do the coffee run. Yeah. Yeah. And that's totally fine. I'm not going to do a cough run anyway.
Jessica's plan to make millions from her infamy. You can see people staring sometimes, even selling coffee. Jessica Wongo received a 20-year sentence for murder. Her two appeals were refused, but last August, she was stunningly freed from prison after serving only 8 years. Jessica is still on parole until 2032, but has been granted a judicial review, which will make a final judgment on her guilt or innocence. You've tried to appeal this twice since being convicted. Yeah. And you've lost both times, but now you have this almost this last roll of the dice, isn't it? Judicial review. Yeah. Do you think it's possible it will find you innocent? Well, this is 50/50 percent change, you know, like I I don't know what's going to happen in the future. Obviously, I can only hope, but it's like let's just see what happen. Let's just go with the flow. I can only hope, you know.
But while she waits for that decision, she's wasting no time putting her notoriety to work. She's fielding a wide range of lucrative commercial offers, including a book and movie deal. But she says being an influencer is really the only way she can hope to earn a living. And pray they stay the same.
[Music] Who in their right mind is going to employ you? They're not exactly going to give you a job down at Starbucks. What chance of you ever getting a normal job again? Oh, this thing when I think about it, I get like really freaked out. I don't know if I could get like a normal job anymore. Like to be honest, like coming into the office at 9:00 and sitting there until 5:00. It's like I just um And no offense, nobody in the office is going to trust you to go and do the coffee run. Yeah. Yeah. And that's totally fine. I'm not going to do a coffee run anyway. I'm not going to serve anyone anything right now. Believe it or not, Indonesia's largest coffee chain is now trying to sign Jessica up along with beauty, food, and technology brands. It's either one of two things. I'm sitting in front of a cold, calculated killer who murdered their friend on the basis of simple jealousy or a young woman who is a terrible victim of circumstance. So, which one do I choose? I don't know. You choose. I mean, in the eyes of millions of Indonesians and more people around the world on social media, you are the smiling coffee killer. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, yes. So, being known as that girl who killed her friend. Yeah. It's very, very hard. Incredibly difficult. Um there's no word can even express that feeling of you know being called something like that. Um but what can I do? What can I do about it? If it happens if I have if in this lifetime I have to go through what I have to go through then I have to go through it. I just keep going like yeah well yeah it's kind of my fate. So, what can I do about it? Well, that's a it's a weird sort of karma to accept. Yeah, I know, right? What did I do in past life? Must have been something very bad. Yeah.
Any day now, an Indonesian court is expected to hand down its final decision on Jessica Wongo's guilt. We've reached out to the Indonesian government to ask if the Netflix documentary played any role in her early release from prison and the decision to grant her a judicial review. We're yet to receive a response.