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Let me just bring up this post by Sneo that kind of illustrates my point. And I I can't remember exactly what day. So, if we can bring up Sneo, um he posted this on X. Is there a date down there? It's a little too small for me to see. It's in March. Uh is it March 5th?
>> 6th. Okay. So, March 6th, uh he posted this. Catholic/Orthodox Christians have more in common with Muslims than they do with the wararmongering evangelicals. And listen, he's saying warongering. He's just saying evangelicals uh in government and worship Jews. And I'm sorry, in government who worship Jews and want Armageddon. How did that strike you? Cuz I know you've I think you've tangled with Sneo before.
>> Yeah, we actually had a sort of debate. Um I mean actually that was funny because the debate was was Andrew versus Sneo and his buddy apologist. I forget the guy's name.
>> Is this the one where he refused?
>> And they Well, they booted Andrew because Andrew was making some some uh jokes that they didn't
>> He started off nice.
>> They didn't like the jokes. Uh, and then they said, "Will you come debate Trinity instead of that?" And so I hopped on and we ended up having it was Muslim Lantern. That's the guy. So we had a 2-hour debate. And it's funny because uh they I can't find that debate other than my clips of it. So I think they were not a huge fan of that debate. Um I don't think it's on Rumble anymore. It may it maybe I just can't find the title. It's not on YouTube. I know Sneo got taken down on YouTube, but regardless. Um so I'm familiar with this this line of reasoning. I think it's so low tier. so silly that that it's it's surprising that people fall for it. But then again, to answer your question, I think it's dialectics.
>> Humans are very susceptible to two choices and if you choose this one, then the other one's the bad guy, right? And life is more nuanced than that, right? Uh you can have two organized crime factions fighting each other. That doesn't mean that one of those guys is the good guy, right? Tony Soprano goes to war against the five families in the show and they're all bad guys but they have different motivations. So I think in geopolitics is pretty similar and this one is a little more hairy though because it brings in religion which makes it more difficult but um people do not understand that Islam is not the friend of Christianity. They think that that whole uh you know we're we're closer on the same page because Muslims say Jesus is a prophet. Yeah. But John says in 1 John 2, if you don't believe in the son as the son of God come in the flesh, you're antichrist. And Muslims also have the teaching in the Quran, which I didn't believe this back, you know, before I had studied Islam. I thought, oh, they're just saying that about Muslims. It's not true. But no, they actually have the teaching that you smile with your face, but you oppose them in your heart. And that's what they do until they have the upper hand. That's actually
>> kind deception essentially.
>> They can do that. Yes. And by the way, Allah in the Quran is the greatest of deceivers. So why would you not be able to be a deceiver if all is the greatest of deceiver?
>> Kind of falls apart really quickly.
>> Yeah. Um and so although the Sunnis will say, "Oh, technically we can't do takia." They still can and they still will. Even though the Shia believe that they specifically can do deception. So um they do it until they have the upper hand. I think everybody's probably seen in the UK how different it is. I went to the UK in 201 18 or 19 to speak at a conference and it was just it's like London. It's it's Islam. Okay,
>> that's by design. It's not accidental. And the evil socialist leadership, the Fabian socialist, Kier Star is the Fabian socialist and the people before him that ran the country all the way back to Blair, right? They they believe that no, Islam is the great ally. It's the great friend. Um and they intentionally opened it up to change the demographics in the country by design. And they they had said, by the way, 100 years earlier that the elite the the elites of the UK would do that. They said they would do that. Bur Russell was saying we'll change Europe and the UK with Islam 100 years before people were doing it today. So they this is not a new thing. Uh and and if you think about it, well, demographic warfare is not new. It's ancient, right? And that's kind of what this is. But to get back to Islam and Sneo, um, so yeah, I think that people are being because people in America don't know the history and the religion of Islam. They think that because there's these statements that Jesus is a prophet or Mary's a virgin that's much closer to what, you know, Judaism or something says. But again, it's not. It's it's
>> it's completely opposite of what
>> obsessive they well they spe they believe that
>> you if you believe in the trinity you're an idoltor and and eventually they do have the right to kill you.
>> Yeah.
>> If it's this the type of Islamic regime that's like a Sunni. Now, I'm not pro-shia or anything like that, but historically, Shia have had a tendency to be a little more amendable to Christians because this gets really hairy, but Shia Islam is neoplatanism.
>> Define kind of the fields for us of who we're talking about. What nations typically would you think of as a dominant? Iran is Shia and that's the branch of Islam that is they're ruled by moolas and they believe in a kind of a
>> a lineal descent that has to to be from Muhammad from the different
>> and that's really the divide is is track is tracking the descendants and who really had the real faith and passed it on
>> and and they they they link it definitely to that but what's interesting about Shia Islam is that it's it's very influenced by Sufism and Neoplatanism. Uh we had a a talk with uh one of the top Shia guys. He's a teacher at Harvard. His name is Dr. Khalil Andani and he debates the Sunnis all the time and one of his main arguments is that Sunni Islam is just sort of crazy because the Quran in his view and in their view is just another form of neoplatanism. So, um, they will be at great lengths to try to, in other words, they're a little more, um, do you know what perennialism is? Are you familiar with that idea?
>> Uh, for the audience, I think I understand it, but it's one of those terms where I'm like, I could be off. I could think it means pizza and it doesn't. So, let's make sure.
>> Perennialism.
>> Pepperoni perilism. Uh so basically it's the idea that it's not exactly like what Masons would say but it's it's the idea that there is a skeletal structure of all the world religions that's something akin to neoplatanism like that's a a superructure and then the world religions are kind of like skeletal like outfits that the superructure masks itself under if that makes sense.
>> Um and so Shia Islam has that type of a view. Now I it's a it's an insane esqueological cult.
>> Yes.
>> So I'm not defending it. I'm saying that there are situations
>> the 12th imam stuff you get told about hidden im mystical hidden dude.
>> The apocalyptic kind of component through their esquetology is like that's one thing that they don't that they're not lying about when they tell you that on Fox News that is true. Now how it kind of plays out and manifests that's different. Maybe maybe they overplay that hand a little bit but that there is that kernel of truth there.
>> Right. And for example in in Syria, you know, Assad was an Alawite, which is a sect that is very similar to what we're talking about with Shia. Uh they have a more of a Sufi type u tolerance type of view. And so ironically, under Assad, Christianity fared a lot better in Syria
>> than when they brought Golanian, who was the hardcore Sunni. So that's Shia Islam. uh but Sunni Islam and it has a lot of different flavors and sex is uh not based on some sort of descent from Islam. Anyone can potentially become an imam. And if you watch the the debates that I that I do, most of the debates, almost all debates actually have been with the Sunni sort of radical types like Jake uh the Muslim metaphysician, Daniel Hakeiku, Muslim lantern. They're all sort of the Saudi Arabian style sort of Sunni uh they're called Salafi which means the original righteous of the first couple generations of Islam and they take it very seriously in that literal we're not fig figurative with the Quran like the Shia are like everything is like a literal sort of jihad type of thing.
>> Yeah. Well and when I said like the lineage it was like who had the truth right because there was debate over like how many there were like 20some versions I believe of the Quran
>> and had them burned
>> right. Exactly. They all had had all of them burned and it's like this one and so the debate is okay well what is the true Islam and that's where you get the different sex and even within some like you said Sunni there's different flavors of it because you have different kind of tradition
>> so the so your question like where does Christianity fare better uh it kind of just depends on the flavor of Islam
>> for example you have Ottoman Turks and sultans who probably didn't even believe the religion but it was a very useful tool for the Ottoman Empire and they would absolutely persecute Christianity they would They would take the girls into slavery. Christian ladies would would be brought into, you know, sex trafficking. Uh, you know, sultans would even have like a herum of boys. I mean, just terrible stuff, which isn't actually what even the Quran teaches, right? You're not supposed to be gay. But, uh,
>> I thought they threw them off buildings last I checked. No.
>> Well, no. I'm saying like the sultans would do what they wanted.
>> No. No.
>> But they had a religion for the people, right? That was uh Sunni Islam. But um anyway, so so you know, for example, the British Empire, they made an alliance with a lot of Sunnis and um what are called Wahhabi eventually.
>> Yeah.
>> Against the Ottomans and they wanted to sort of pit them off against each other. That's why you have Saudi Arabia and all these you know countries in the Middle East after Sykespico agreement and all that. The British Empire sort of divided up the Middle East.
>> Yeah.
>> And we get blamed for it all the time. The are the ones that freaking started. They did start.
>> We had a role, don't get me wrong. I'm just saying they don't really get fragged with a lot of this. And we do.
>> And I'm sorry. I don't mean to go off No, you're
>> fine. But,
>> uh, to go back to the question, so so everybody's presented with the sort of false choice of like, well,
>> uh, you know,
>> if if Trump if Trump's making a mistake, if the evangelicals are wrong, oh, then the Muslims must be good.
>> Well, yeah. It's almost like orange man bad. So therefore, the whatever opposes orange must be the good thing. That's the false.
>> So it's right now as I read the room, it's Israel bad. Israel controls the United States. So therefore, we're tied into it bad and we're going against the Muslims. So Muslims good.
>> Y
>> and people are are buying this. And it's not just like the Sneakotypes that are, you know, saying this. Like he's saying this for a reason right now. It's part of a strategy to kind of to split off Catholic and Orthodox from evangelicals. really read that as Protestants um at large and like we needed one more reason to to have a split to some degree. I mean like it's like come on that's a fissure. Let's just let us heal a little bit. All right, we're we're working on it. Um but I I'm I'm a little struck by it because it doesn't like on it on the surface as somebody who and I I don't have the in-depth understanding that I think you and many others have on this. But I did teach a class called the Christian's response to Islam. I have been to Indonesia and I have preached the name of Jesus Christ in the largest you know Islamic country in the world not in the cities but uh in Ache kind of in the northern part of the island there. So, I understand what it's like to be in these places and I've I've done outreach to Muslims before
>> and uh I felt that kind of really dark presence of being in a demonic kind of culture and go like how can you ever think that there's an alliance
>> that would super like evangelicals still believe
>> way way way more like the fundamental things like Jesus Christ being the Messiah there is no option for him not to be and Islam doesn't give him anything other than well actually he lied to you he's not the Messiah he's he's just the uh the prophet, right? And he's going to step aside one day. And uh in their esquetology, it's kind of the exact opposite of of Christian esquetology, depending on what flavor you subscribe to. And then for Judaism, it's like he wasn't Jesus wasn't even afforded that. He was a he was actually a false messiah.
>> And I understand the the remarks about him being in the Talmud burning in feces.
>> So how do you think these things are compatible if you just use that one example of okay, well, how do they treat Jesus? That's all you have to go to. And it's like, well, how are these things compatible?
>> Well, what's the best explanation for Islam when you really want to know the like what it really is? It's a copy and paste. And it's a copy and paste not just of elements of Christianity,
>> Judaism and
>> Judaism and Yeah, exactly. pagan elements, Gnostic teaching is there. There's a great book by a guy named Gabriel S. Reynolds and he's a scholar on the history of Islam and and its texts and um I forget the name of the book but I had to use it for one of my I read the whole thing for one of my Islamic I think the Daniel Hickeyu debate that I did and basically what he does is he takes 10 examples from the Quran about where it's just lifted from the Bible and from Sudraa and from Gnostic texts and they actually just mix up the stories.
>> Yeah.
>> And so it's not even consistent with the original narrative and probably that has to do with Muhammad being illiterate. Right. So he was hearing things and he would just sort of create the religion or him and his buddies or what warlord buddies.
>> And so it was there was not really a concern with consistency. So the stories get all mixed up. For example, um you have uh this Jesus being the Messiah. That's a specific Hebrew term for the anointed one. Right? In Islam, they don't know what this there's no significance for this term because he's not the fulfillment of the Jewish prophecies to be the world's Messiah, right? He's just called Messiah and there's no theological significance to it, right?
>> Very similar with the dietary laws or the Levitical washings. You know, in Christian theology, we would say, well, those are types of baptism or spiritual realities and so forth. Um, you know, Paul in the New Testament says, for example, that the unclean animals and the clean animals are like pedagogical teaching and advice about morals, right? In Islam, it's it's it's just Allah just says do that. There's literally no significance or purpose for these things. So, you can tell, well, so this is just like a dude who's illiterate hearing stories, crafting a religion, and he doesn't even know the context.
>> And there's so many examples of this, it gets crazy. Like they think that uh they think that the the ark of the covenant was a box that would fly.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. And that it had no
>> the stone that that ascended and basically the prophet said no stay you know here.
>> So
>> well it's like you could tell you could well so
>> I didn't know there was a box that flew.
>> No so the ark of the covenant has wings because of the saraphone and so Muhammad thought it was a flying box of wings.
>> Maybe he saw it in the future and it's really a drone. I don't know. Could be
>> the drone of the covenant.
>> Well, here's the thing. Uh, also, when Jesus comes back, he destroys all pigs.
>> Well, but pigs are amazing. They turn garbage into bacon.
>> Exactly.
>> I mean, why would why would we do that?
>> Yeah. Well,
>> I know that Jews don't like pigs either because of the dietary laws and everything else like that, but I know that we believe that those were kind of taken care of.
>> So, I was I was on with a guy who does a lot
>> You're really missing out, Jews. Like, you need to read the New Testament. Life gets tastier. I was on with a guy who does a lot of m u Muslim expose type stuff and he was pointing out that I think this is in the hadiths that when uh it's it's a strong hadith meaning that the Sunnis have to accept it
>> that when when Muhammad comes back Jesus will come back and destroy all the pigs
>> and my thought when I first heard this I was like well surely that means something spiritual right like he's going to spiritually kill the goats right the people to his left hand the pigs
>> right right yeah
>> and it's like no it's the pigs like Literally the pig.
>> Like literally it.
>> Job number one, kill all the pigs.
>> Kill all pigs. Right.
>> Job number two. We'll we'll figure that out when we get there. But let's just get past the pigs first. Okay.
>> Also, by the way, uh
>> not for like a barbecue purpose either, but like just just get rid of
>> They're just bad, right? And also, uh Satan can apparently fart in the highs. That's true.
>> Really?
>> Yes.
>> And so this
>> Wait. Um
>> Yes.
>> You're think I'm thinking, okay, he's a spiritual being. He doesn't have
>> Yeah. a body. biology. But no, you can still rip one apparently. And if if he does, that will distract you from the call to prayer. So
>> what?
>> Yes.
>> I don't know, Jay. So I do need that.
>> I'm being serious. This is in the hadiths. And
>> so this is a strong hadith or if I recall, it's a strong one. Yeah.
>> Okay. Satan can break wind
>> and distract you from prayer
>> to distract you from prayer.
>> Is it because you'll look around and go, "Who farted?"
>> Probably like
>> presumably. Come on, guys. I know we're all bowing down and everybody's in like a really tough to hold it in position, but
>> and and and think about it. So, like Muhammad's sitting around. He's sitting around with the warlords. Somebody rips one.
>> That must be Satan.
>> That's a hadith right there.
>> Yeah, that was a crucial hadith right there.
>> You know what it was? It was the guy that did it, not taking responsibility.
>> He was a
>> because it really rire and it really screwed up the prayer meeting and he's like, "It wasn't me, Carl." Okay. This is Satan.
>> Yeah. This is Arabic SBD, right? Oh my gosh.
>> Oh my gosh. Okay, so
>> I'm not joking. This is true. And this shows how silly this is.
>> This is real.