L'Expert Nº1 des Gencives : Ce qu’il a découvert d'URGENT en étudiant des milliers de bouches

My patients, they were stunned to see that we have a beast. But it's truly a beast, there. A tongue, if you will, that will enter inside the white blood cell. Well, it's a real horror movie. Sorry, huh. It was very well explained. No, but it's better this way. Mark Bonner, dentist. I've always won pretty much all the awards. Everything works, except for gum treatment. That woke me up a bit. How do we distinguish a tooth disease from a gum disease? There is no place in the body that bleeds, except for the gums, that is not normal. Pericarditis, which is caused by a dental problem. Oh really? In relation to gum disease, you have seven times more risk of Alzheimer's disease. Oh no, but that's absolutely staggering. So, can you give us two or three key techniques for brushing your teeth? Feel your floss. I know it's unpleasant. You know you're infected. What are the worst cases you've seen in your practice? It's concerning. And me, when I saw it happen, I said, "God, Lord, God of Heaven, come help me." So Dr. Mark Bonner, you who have studied for years under the microscope what happens a little in the gums, you have made surprising discoveries, we will explain, we will go back over all of that, and possibly today the general public and even health professionals are not sufficiently aware of this way of seeing things and of these treatments, of this diagnosis and these treatments? Which could explain, moreover, an enormous number of dental and gum problems. Before all that, I want us to take a moment to know where we stand. Currently, and even before you discovered this aspect of periodontics, did you notice in your early years of practicing dentistry more and more gum and tooth problems in the population? Things that you can't explain. It's not in the sense that we can't explain it, that it's overflowing, that there's more of it. I think gum problems are always the same. There have always been as many. It's just that we discover them as our practice ages. So, I started with children, then the parents saw the children. Then I saw the adults. And there, with adults, I realized that a good half have gum problems. And there, I use the usual technique and there's relapse, relapse, relapse, really a lot. I do conventional surgery that we learn at university. I refer to my friends who will do periodontics and then they do the same surgery. And then, there's relapse even after. So, I was really at a loss in this field of dentistry, but I discovered it with my patients in my neighborhood, at home, and then that was a bit incomprehensible why it was going so badly. I was like the others, it's a chronic disease that cannot be cured, and then that's it, I didn't know what to do anymore. How do we distinguish a tooth disease from a gum disease, apart from the fact that there may be bleeding that comes directly from the gums, but are there really specific signs that should alert us more about the teeth or more about the gums? Yes, for sure. The tooth is a hard thing, it's a stone, it's a rock. When I was in school, I used to dig into extracted teeth to examine the pulp with white blood cells and all. That already woke me up. The gum is easy, it's accessible. Moreover, it's a part of the body that is given to us, snap, open your mouth and look. You see, sometimes, I think of, you know, the slave trader who looks, opens the mouth, to see if you're beautiful, if you're healthy, you see. Just by looking at the mouth, the appearance, the redness, or the fact that the gum is pink. Then, we all have the means to take measurements. You see, probing, we touch the gum, does it bleed? We measure, is there a normal crevice? You see, the gum has a 2-3 mm crevice. Is it still there or is it deepened? If it's deepened, well, that's the disease. So, generally, it's bleeding. You see, there is no part of the body that bleeds normally, except for the gums. People think it's normal, but it's not normal. And then, after the gums, there are all the implications for general health, the thing we often forget. You see, that too, must be taken into account. When you say the consequences that, well, other diseases, what are they? Can gum diseases lead to other more general consequences in the body? Absolutely. That's what the dentist doesn't tell you. Not much. There are 50 diseases associated with gum disease. Because gum disease, in fact, for many, it's tartar, it's rock, it's pebble around the teeth. But in fact, no, it's an infection with microbes, we'll talk about that later. And then this infection goes into the circulation and having gum disease increases general health problems by 50, and that's super important, you see. There are three times more heart diseases, twice more lung diseases, diabetes is twice as bad, there are increased cancers in relation to gum disease, osteoporosis, arthritis, and the last one, Alzheimer's, you see. If you have gum disease, you have seven times more risk of Alzheimer's disease. That's what we don't talk about much. The highest risk, a bit like, I think it's deafness and all that, associated with Alzheimer's, it's the same thing. Gum problems, 7 times higher risk of Alzheimer's disease with gum problems. It's enormous. It's absolutely staggering. How is that explained? Is it the bleeding that causes pathogens to enter? How can we make the link? Have there been enough longitudinal studies to truly establish cause and effect? Yes, for 10 years, there have been many studies linking microbes and gum inflammation to dementia, Alzheimer's, and all. And we find pieces of bacteria, pieces of microbes in the brains of people who died from Alzheimer's. Today, we are trying to see, there are also what are called cytokines, inflammatory cells. They are in the circulation, they are in the cerebrospinal fluid. And then, there are many analyses that are starting to be done to rectify, to verify all of this. And I must admit, without wanting to elaborate too much on this, I have three projects on Alzheimer's currently that we are launching with the Minister of Health. There is a lot to be done in terms of possibilities. It's important. At least we realize how much what happens in the mouth can be the entry point, either to optimal health, or on the contrary, to various diseases. We often talk about teeth. I've already heard that cavities or problems with teeth could lead to something that is rather well-known. It's pericarditis, I think, or endocarditis. It's a heart disease caused by a dental problem. Is it different with gums? Are there really these two entries, two different doors, or ultimately, can they be grouped into one? Listen, it's a bit related, but let's say a problem with a tooth is very small, very local, it's minuscule. Yes, if I work on the tooth, there can be a few microbes that go into the bloodstream. But you have to imagine that the majority of people, patients infected in their gums, we have their gums cleaned by the dental hygienist or the dentist every three months, every six months. And when we do that, this cleaning, deep cleaning, scaling, whatever you call it, a lot of microbes go into the circulation at that time. So, it's the act of touching, scraping. It breaks the already inflamed and fragile gum a little. It's like you have a wound all over your hand, you see, your hand is all wounded, bleeding everywhere, and then you say, well, we're going to scrape inside to do this or that treatment to remove tartar, you see, and then the act of playing with an open wound, in fact, it worsens the problems, and the surface of gum disease, in general, rarely a tooth, you see. Cavities affect one or two teeth, but well. The gums affect all the teeth, all the gums, and there is a surface area that is much larger than having an infection on a small part of a tooth, you see. Okay. We're talking about the size of an ear or the palm of your hand, you see. If it's a large inflammation, playing in there, I never play in there. But everyone plays in there all the time, and I don't think that's a good way to do it. It's not entirely medical. It goes against our medical principles. So, let's get to the heart of the matter. I think that among the general public, the common idea about gum disease is that it is essentially due to mechanical factors, either because we took a hit, or due to brushing. There has been a kind of abrasion that has created gum problems. It turns out that in reality, the cause can be different, can be multiple. This is part of what you have studied in recent years. But ultimately, if we try to categorize it a little, it will allow you to elaborate on the main causes of these gum problems. What damages gums and teeth the most? Is it mechanical? Is it infectious? Is it inflammatory? I'll let you explain. Listen, I would tell you, in general, it's a bit the opposite of what you're putting there, it's the absence of mechanical action. So, if you don't brush your teeth, dental plaque increases. It's microbes, there are a lot of microbes, they multiply because they have a warm and humid environment, and it's perfect. And they accumulate, they accumulate. And from that moment on, after a day, two days, three days, you have anaerobic microbes that evolve. And these microbes create a space that cannot be supported by the gum ligament. You see, there, it's held by a small, thin ligament. And at 3 mm deep, this small ligament holds us. And there, you have microbes, microbes that sink in and, if you will, burn this ligament a little. And after the ligament is broken, we reach the bone directly. And that's what they do. So, the first cause, everyone agrees, is dental plaque, it's microbes, you see. Then, if the microbes are there for a very, very long time, they end up forming tartar. They pick up some calcium. So, certain bacteria will attach some calcium, it forms tartar, it forms pebble. I don't know, like in plumbing that isn't cleaned regularly, you see, it forms calcium. And then, all of this compresses and also irritates the gums. So, there are microbes and then there is tartar that forms. And there are times when there is no tartar, when the disease is very aggressive, truly pathogenic microbes, there isn't time for tartar to form. And there are other people who have good hygiene but who leave the tartar in place and they get by relatively well, so it's mechanical, there's tartar, there's pebble, there's irritation. Then, it starts with what is called gingivitis. You see, it's an inflammation of the surface of the gum. But there are many causes, plaque, tartar, and it can be pharmacological or it can be a systemic disease that causes your gums to bleed. If you are a bit diabetic, perhaps bleeding is easier, you see. So, the start is mechanical, yes and no, but it's especially the start with gingivitis. It's an inflammation with different causes, but especially microbes. Inflammation is the inflammatory response, it's the immune response, it's the white blood cells that arrive. And that's our first line of defense. White blood cells arrive. And me, the white blood cells that arrive, I studied that at university because I was on a boat with the big university microscope, you see. And when I saw the white blood cells arrive, I said, oh dear, something is really happening there. There's an inflammatory response. That's your defense. And unfortunately, the microbes are indeed stronger than our own defense. That's what I have to observe over the years, and in my learning with patients. They are stronger than us. How is it that, given that the body is normally well-made, we can see it every time we talk about it on this podcast regularly, the body is supposed to defend itself against aggression, is supposed to do things very well. How is it that saliva or white blood cells, or in any case our own immune defenses, are not enough, in many cases, to get rid of these microbes naturally, without brushing for example, without specifically taking care of it. I always, I like to tell myself, because we always come back to the basics, by saying how it was a few decades or a few centuries ago, we didn't need this, we didn't need this. I have the feeling that our ancestors didn't necessarily brush their teeth and yet, nature made it so that they shouldn't have had periodontal disease, for example. How do you see that? Listen, I have so much to say on the subject. First of all, we have to reposition ourselves before, a century ago, two centuries ago, three centuries ago and before, we died at 32, 33, 35, 40 years old, you see. That's how it was. Periodontitis, bone loss, it starts around 40 years old for most people, except for certain specific cases in young people. So, at that time, you were dead before your teeth started to move. Now, the system has changed. We live to 85-90 years old. And there, we still have this infection. You see, we have gingivitis. It's mild, it's reversible. We brush and it goes away. We go to the dentist, they clean and it heals. But after that, we'll get to the heart of the matter that makes our system unable to fight, which is that if you look under the microscope, you see bacteria like me. We've always blamed bacteria, but bacteria are a mistake. It's... Only bacteria, in general, cause gingivitis which is reversible. But what happens in your gingivitis with bacteria is that after a certain level, when I see 10 pathogenic bacteria under the microscope on the screen, I notice that immediately after, your white blood cells arrive. So, when I take a small sample, I look, and I see a lot of white blood cells. Then, I say, okay, your body is defending itself, it's wonderful, it's perfect. It's defending itself, it's trying to kill the bacteria, it's managing quite well in there, there's no bone loss, there's no ligament loss. But what you have to realize is the parasitological aspect that I am bringing back, which has been there for a century and a half, that people have forgotten. In inflammation, we, for all sorts of reasons, in the water, with the spouse, with loved ones, with animals, contaminated water from the tropics, for example. There are parasites, parasites, all sorts of circumstances, there are two parasites, in fact, that we catch on our gingivitis. So, the traditional medical model, if you will, is genetically, I am weak, I smoke, I am diabetic, I am stressed. Well, I'm throwing all that away, there isn't a single periodontist, you see, doctors on this, they don't have periodontists. Why? Because they have perfect hygiene. That's the entry point. If you have perfect hygiene, you never have problems. But if you let it go a little bit, you have gingivitis, you have inflammatory cells. And then, on your way, especially from adulthood, you live in society. You kiss, you do things, you are in contact with many people. In adulthood, you start your second infection which is made of parasites. So, among these, there are amoebas, there are trichomonas, flagellates. Well, in fact, they are big creatures that feed on your white blood cells and red blood cells. That's important, you see. That answers, if you will, the question you're asking me, why can't we defend ourselves? Because the most well-known parasite is the amoeba, Entamoeba, Entamoeba gingivalis, and I've demonstrated it for 35 years in all my writings. It feeds on the nucleus of white blood cells. In fact, it's the neutrophil that arrives. And neutrophils arrive in mass in the gums. Thousands of them arrive, lots and lots and lots. And you, on your way, you encounter a parasite, an amoeba, which feeds on the bleeding of red blood cells. It will sip your red blood cell, it will stick to it, it will sip it inside, it will look for iron. And it feeds on proteins, it will attach to the white blood cell, the neutrophil, it will stick to it, it will inject it with a product that will anesthetize it. So, you see the white blood cell stops moving. And then it pushes its pseudopod. So, it's really a tongue, if you will, that will enter inside the white blood cell. It will go for the nucleus, which is made of three portions, trilobed. It will go for the nucleus, it will literally suction it. So, that's the food for the parasite, that's the food for the amoeba. Its food is your immune system, can you imagine? So why? Because we assume that these amoebas have been there longer than us. We would derive, some explain, our immune system derives from these parasites, from these amoebas that have transformed into macrophages and we ended up on our side. There is always a guerrilla warfare there between our white blood cells and the parasites, the external amoebas. Except that I have never seen a patient able to defend themselves against these amoebas because they will always feed on white blood cells. And there, you end up with fewer white blood cells, but that's not all. It's worse than that. Because when the white blood cell dies, the amoeba comes to get its nucleus, it closes the cell, it remains an empty ball. I call them ghost white blood cells. A ball remains, 15 microns, full of proteolytic enzymes that will degrade at the bottom of the gum. And that's how I explain it to patients. These enzymes. And antitase collagenase, well, things that will destroy the fibers that hold the tooth and will destroy the collagen portion in the bone that holds our teeth. So, it's a succession of events, you see, the small gingivitis, there are bacteria, white blood cells arrive. Unfortunately, in some, you catch parasites, ah, you have a second infection, they feed on your white blood cells and your white blood cells release enzymes that melt the bone. And we have the same phenomenon with intestinal amoebas for which doctors are able to cure, to treat. Periodontitis is what is called oral amebiasis, just as we would have intestinal amebiasis or liver amebiasis that kills people, you see, literally. But in our mouths, there's a bit of pus, pus remnants, we spit it out, we swallow it, it's less serious, but it still goes, we assume, into circulation and then we see all the effects on health. So, we can't resist these parasites. And that's what I see every day with my patients. I show them, I show them the films. And they are stunned to see that we have a beast. But it's truly a beast, there. It's enormous. I compare it to an elephant while everyone is trying to kill small bacteria, it's like ants, you want to get rid of the ants but no, there's an elephant in the living room, and there are many of them, I've published everywhere, there are photos, I have images, films in Scientific American of how parasites kill white blood cells, you see, and it's infernal and each parasite will kill. 5, 10, 15, 20 white blood cells per day and it lives for about a month. So, that gives us a huge mass of white blood cells that have died in the war. And that's where, if you will, you can turn the tide, if you manage to eliminate these parasites, which for me is easy because I learned the principles of parasitology. But a dentist who doesn't know parasitology and doesn't know the microscope to look at these things and verify them. They do the normal thing, they'll go scrape, they'll clean, they'll remove tartar. There are many periodontitis where there is no tartar. They'll pretend to clean by reducing microbes, saying I'll go curette in there, it will reduce microbes. But by curating in the gums, you only remove 15% of the microbes. 85% remain. Parasites, even more so, because when you scrape deep into your gums, you create a lot of inflammation, macrophages arrive, neutrophils go in droves. And then, sometimes, you go to the dentist, and three months later, two months later, you say, but it's worse. And sometimes people get endocarditis ten days after going to the dentist, wondering why. It's a bit like that. We stir up the old soup, and then we spread it everywhere, and moreover, we move them from one tooth to another. If I have two sick teeth, I scrape here, I scrape there and I send them to the other side, I infect the other side. It's truly an abominable thing, I would say. It's a matter of knowledge or ignorance, but it's a great pity. It's a real horror movie, but it was well explained, we understood well, but it's better this way. In fact, it's a real chain reaction that starts on a terrain where there was a lack of hygiene at one point, which caused the number of bacteria, dental plaque to accumulate a little. There. And that's the start of everything else? That's the start. But that's 95% of people, they get gingivitis, you see. And I really blame gingivitis, it's the entry point. It's not your genes. That's false. That's false in the literature. Doctors have shown that there is no genetics for gum disease. Unless you have a genetic disease, Down syndrome, you see, Mongolism, and then you can't brush because you have comprehension or manual difficulties. You see, but normal beings, 95%, have gingivitis. It starts. And then, you're lucky or unlucky to meet or not. Listen, you have a new partner who has severe periodontitis. Well, kiss, kiss, that's it, it's done. You've just caught it if you have gingivitis. You see, it's transmission. It's something that is never discussed on talk shows. Periodontitis, in fact, is a secondary infection on gingivitis. With parasites from a certain origin. And often, it's close ones, it's familial. People say it's genetic. No, it's in the family because we share instruments, utensils. We used to share toothbrushes. It's a family-transmitted infection or transmitted by water. I'll give you an easy example. One day, I... Almost a naturopath, you see, and he's doing well, and he does brushing with, you know, mud, clay, and all that. That's good for health, but in the mud, in the clay, there are a lot of parasites, there are a lot of amoebas. And I see him getting worse month by month. I say, what are you doing? And he tells me, well, I brush with clay. But I say, stop that, you see, stop that. You're putting a lot of amoebas in your gums, and they're multiplying. You see? There are things... When you understand the process, but let's say, there's me explaining it like this and all my students, you see, I have 2, 3,000, 4,000 students, we understand this because we have microscopes and we see things in action. It changes the way we do things, you see, it's an infection that we catch subsequently to gingivitis. So, I have two questions that come to mind in particular. The first is, from when do you consider it dangerous, what is the lack of dental hygiene? Is it about what? A day? Two days? From when do we put ourselves in a potential state of gingivitis, which then, if we encounter a parasite, everything will start to go wrong? What should be avoided, for example, from the start? Gingivitis should be avoided. The easiest way is regular brushing morning and evening with whatever you want. And then dental floss, I find it absolutely perfect. I'm not very keen on interdental brushes because they're complicated, they're difficult. Floss takes a minute to use and the brush takes two to three minutes. Morning and evening, it's done. That's how dental hygienists never have gingivitis or periodontitis. Periodontists, less than 1% of them have periodontitis themselves because they have perfect hygiene, and I, perfect hygiene, I had a lot of cavities in my youth because no dentist ever explained to me how to brush my teeth and my parents had dentures so I could never learn and then Then, from the moment someone explains to you how to do it, like me, I learned at dental school how to brush my teeth. Before, I had no idea. To use floss, I learned at dental school. I managed to keep my own teeth even though they wanted to extract them before I started school. I ended up becoming a dentist to keep them because I wanted to keep them well too. But well, if you do what needs to be done, basic hygiene, it will stop gingivitis and there will be no problem afterwards. We can have small gum problems. Gingivitis is reversible after 2, 10 days, 100 days, whatever you want. If it's just gingivitis, as long as you haven't caught parasites, in fact, it's reversible. You clean and it goes away. You remove tartar, it goes away. Maybe half the people are fine. Well, you see, they drink, they come to the dentist, we remove the tartar, it gets better, the gingivitis is gone, it doesn't bleed anymore, it's fine. But... If it still bleeds, if you haven't overcome the problem, generally, you avoid brushing, it takes a week to ten days to have a rather high level of microbes moving around. There are three microbes that move around that we see under the microscope, spirochetes, vibrios, bacilli, we see all that. If I exceed 10 per screen, I call that 10%, beyond 10%, my inflammatory system arrives. After that, I can stay like that, but it's inflamed gingivitis. Just to understand, what is the tolerance? After how many days without oral hygiene do we really enter a window of problems? Roughly, it's a week, seven days. There are many old studies on this. It's seven days. Yes, there's a little leeway, but still, if you do that every week, at some point, you won't be able to catch up. But who brushes their teeth once every ten days or once a week? Well, I still have the impression that 100% of the population brushes their teeth every day. Yes, 100% of people brush their teeth every day, but they don't brush them the right way, you see. You always go clack, clack, clack in the same place, clack, clack in the same place, and you always forget the inside, you see. You never do the inside. And then you go to the dentist, you have gingivitis everywhere inside, on the tongue side or on the palate side, you see, because people do it like this, like this, like this, but they don't brush the back. You see, there are mistakes that we, when we treat patients, at my place, it's 20 minutes at the sink with floss and brush and products to make the patient as impeccable as a dental hygienist. So, I transform all my patients into dental hygienists. It's a bit of a difficulty, but people who want to, they are like hygienists and they never have periodontitis. We've closed the entry door, but it takes training and I explain that in my courses with the car analogy today. To learn to drive a car, often, I don't know, in France, I think it's 20 one-hour sessions with an instructor next to you. there, you see. That allows you to learn. So, with us, my treatment is that, ten times, ten times. We start again every month, every month, every month. I go with the patient to make them impeccable with their hygiene, like a dental hygienist. And that has been reported for a long time in dentistry books. Dentists, periodontists, well, maybe, but they said, if we could make patients like hygienists, there would be no problem. But people say, yes, but only 1% of people can achieve that. And that's what I'm fighting for, I say, no, no, no, listen, my whole family, I've shown them, they know how to do it and no one in my family has periodontitis. My friends don't have periodontitis. My patients no longer have periodontitis because they have learned to do it. So, in books, they say that 1% can be taught. I say that 50% or 80% can be taught, or if we teach this in school, we can achieve a high rate of care and healing of gingivitis. You have to believe it and then you have to do it, you have to take action. You see, good brushing, dental floss, as it should be, done well, and that's a guarantee of everything else. Very important, obviously, to have daily oral hygiene, not to go beyond a week without doing anything. And the way you do it, and in fact, that's what's interesting, is that you might think, well, if it's several days, in fact, no, you can brush your teeth, you can have daily dental hygiene by doing it the wrong way. And what will happen, after several days, several weeks, is that enough bacterial population will accumulate which might then produce periodontitis if there is contact with a co-parasite. You see, it's easy to imagine, for example, people have a wisdom tooth that is very far back and then, "Oh no, it's too far, I don't do it." And then, they never do the back, they do the front, but they stop there because it's too far and they think it's okay. They get periodontitis starting from the last wisdom teeth. It's all about small habits. It's like you playing the guitar, what I see there. It requires dexterity, it needs to be done correctly. If you play the wrong notes all the time, no one will listen to you. You have to do it, but you also have to do it well. And that makes all the difference. And that, you have to be taught, you have to be shown. Hygienists learn. Dentists learn. They have an incredible chance, you see, it's a bit like, I know how to wash myself, I know how to take a shower, but you take a shower, you dip your nose and you think you're okay, no, you really need training, it's more important for us. Give a few techniques, two or three key techniques, go over all the surfaces, really go everywhere. Are there things that the general public, that people should really know without. Going into. Technical detail that you teach very well privately, but already to know how to orient oneself, the basic mistakes that should be avoided when brushing teeth? First of all, you should treat and heal yourself. Because then, you transport from an infected area to an uninfected area. Okay? So you do, I forget the word, but it's transmission, if you will, within your own mouth. So, ideally, it's to have nothing at the start. Then, with me, the techniques are always dental floss, you see, starting with dental floss. And dental floss, many people use the little things, you see, with a little piece of floss that you move from one tooth to another. And that,

There is nothing worse because you transmit the parasites of the infection there, there, there, and everywhere. So, the little things, very small, that are easy, like a toothpick with a piece of thread, are to be thrown away. And me, I teach my patients, you start with dental floss, you take a meter of thread, you see, a meter or even two meters, and you tie the thread well, you pass the thread, then, you wrap it around your finger, like a seamstress, and you have a new thread for the next tooth, and you turn like that all the time. This way, you won't transport, always something new with the dental floss. So, you need a long meter, and then turn between each tooth to avoid transmitting things. Otherwise, you see, there are studies lately that say, yes, but the infection with dental floss is worse. Well yes, it's worse if you don't have a new thread each time. It's not really complicated, but just the gesture of changing the thread, having a new thread makes all the difference. Then, there is the brushing method and then, there would be the products. The method, for me, is called the modified Bass. I explain it in my videos. There are plenty of them everywhere. There is one that works very well. We have 500,000 views. You see, it's about how to angle the brush on the gum, really pressing on it. People are afraid, you see, that it will bleed. On the contrary, they need to press to dislodge the microbes. It's 45 degrees. It's a vibration we do. There's a rolling motion towards the top of the tooth, you see. And then we do that four times to be sure it worked. So, that makes four strokes, four strokes, four strokes, four strokes, four strokes, you see. And then, you have to think about doing the inside on the tongue side. But you have to think about that because it doesn't come naturally. So, I'm a bit like an army general when patients come. You see, it's like there are 96 strokes to do. Really? Yes, 4 strokes here, 4 slow, 4 slow, that makes 12, that makes 12, that makes 24, 48, you see? So, I teach to have a methodical way to not forget any spot. And from the moment there is no bleeding, then you are correct. That's your best indicator at home. It's like breath. We haven't talked about breath, but an easy thing I teach all my students, you see. But half of the people have bad breath. Wait, it stinks, there. It stinks in the subway, there. Okay? Half of the people are infected, adults. Three billion people on the planet are infected without really knowing what's inside. And you pass the floss, I would ask you, how many times has your dentist told you that you have bad breath? How many dentists tell their patients, you have bad breath? Even the professional can't say it, it's zero, exactly. You're never informed that you have bad breath, you see? Maybe he has a mask too, he can't smell it. No, no, no, despite the mask. Don't worry, there's the smell. Don't worry, there's the smell. But, you see, for me, it was an assistant who knew the job, who taught me the method, you see, to say, all people are really very useful. The assistant told me, I found something. I said, what did you find? She said, well, listen, we pass the floss and we smell the floss. And you know what? Smelling your floss, it smells of infection and anyone with a bit of a nose, especially the French with wine who sniff and everything. You smell your floss, you know you're infected. So, use floss, brush properly, smell your floss. I know it's unpleasant, I'm going to talk about many unpleasant things, but no one tells you that you have bad breath, except that you can do the test with the floss every morning. To the point where, when I was practicing, I had patients at the beginning who would say to me, "Doctor Bonheur, is the treatment going well?" I notice that everywhere, it smells good. But you know, doctor, after six months of treatment, the big tooth here is still not gone. Because the patient realizes it. I don't have to tell the patient, "You have bad breath." "You don't smell good anymore." No. But take the floss, smell the floss, and rate yourself from 1 to 5. And for me, that's part of my treatments. Every month, when I see the patient, you take your floss, you smell your floss, and you gauge if it smells like a little rose or if it smells like an old goat. Then, you are still in full infection because infection doesn't smell good. Is that true? So, care, brushing, smelling to be sure you don't have an infection. And then, I don't know what else to say. Me, with what I learned from Trevor Lyons and the protocols I've put in place, we have simple products that work very well, because these products are not toothpaste, well, not yet, but well, we don't really need toothpaste, except for the taste and the foam. But we have products that will fight the microbes I was talking about earlier. And this is science that has been known for about 135 years, around 100 some years. We know how to destroy these microbes in biological warfare. We have the answers. Except that no one is informed. So, wait, before talking about it, I have 36 questions that came up along the way. We'll stop for two minutes on bad breath. I think it interests people. In any case, it interests me. Not that I'm concerned. So, bad breath... Do you already notice, yourself, that more and more people have bad breath? Is there a huge proportion of the population concerned? No, I don't notice more and more, it's always been the same. In general, periodontal diseases, as I explain them, 99%, we have amoebas, parasites that cause pus, that die in your gums. Well, it smells relatively bad, okay, but it's not awful. There are other things that make you smell bad, for example, if you have the little bacterium Helicobacter pylori in your stomach, it's also in the gums, you smell bad too, but it's not the same smell, you know, a bit more ketonic. Now, what I haven't discussed with you yet is that 33% of periodontitis cases involve a second parasite called Trichomonas. Exactly like we find in genital diseases, in women, in men, you see, a Trichomonas, it's really a little creature that moves around like that. We see it under the screen, patients panic when they see it. But this produces what is called putrescine and cadaverine, you see. So, a third of periodontitis cases are severe cases, and these severe cases, well, they really stink, you see. So, that's about 15% of the population, you see, and they have no idea they've caught Trichomonas, a little creature like that, it's really a very agile animalcule, well known in biology, but not in dentistry, because no one looks to see if it's present under the microscope, you see, except for exceptions or my students. So, when you have Trichomonas, the smell is really awful. And sometimes, you're in the subway and you think, that person isn't well, you know. But in fact, it's Trichomonas. They are really infected and you can't kiss them, you know. They can't form a couple, there. Unless both are the same. But is it, precisely, the question, can one realize it oneself or does it necessarily require the intervention of a third party to tell them? A third party telling you is good, you see, if someone tells you, I had Helicobacter pylori at the time, but many, you see, I had bad breath, but not from my gums but from my stomach, and one day I was at a training in Washington with a great dentist who, I arrived late, he said hello Marc, how are you, he came to greet me, there were 40 students in the class, he greeted me, he looked at me and he said Marc, if I had something to tell you, would you allow me to tell you? "Yes, go ahead, tell me." He said, "Marc, you have bad breath." "Oh, okay, thank you." I didn't know why, because my gums were perfect. But I had an infection, Helicobacter pylori, which I had checked with Trevor Lyons. He told me, he confirmed, "Yes, there it is, Helicobacter pylori, you should get rid of it because it causes bad breath." So, you have to be able to tell people. Sometimes, it's brutal. Me, I let them wonder. When I treat them, we go slowly. I explain the floss to them. They use the floss. "Ah, doctor, you were right." And then, the patients, they start my treatment. They tell me, "Ah, doctor, the next month, it's not bleeding anymore. That's it, we've started. Then it stops smelling bad in the easiest places to heal." It's a certain autonomy that needs to be created in people. But based on scientific, biological reflection, and I say microscopic, we have DNA tests, that's good, but hardly anyone does these DNA tests, you see, PCR tests at the periodontist, I have many periodontist friends, when do you do PCR tests to see your patient's bacteria, I've never done them, you see, they scrape, they scrape, they scrape, they do root planing, you see, they make the teeth smooth, and that's what I explain you shouldn't do. Because by rubbing the teeth to make them like a mirror, there's a small cell called cementum, and it's what attaches the ligament. Every time you, you pass the curettes, the sharp instruments on the root of the tooth, well, you prevent reattachment, you prevent healing. Today, the repeated, ill-advised cleaning, so-called root planing. It prevents healing, the reformation of the ligament and the underlying bone in the long term. So, it's a matter of understanding biology. It's an infection, it must be removed. People can see that they have it. We can be with them to explain, to diagnose. And then, you have to take the right action to avoid self-destruction. You see, root planing every three months. After 10-15 years, you lose your teeth. After that, you see, you decrease, you decrease the attachment. And then, at some point, the teeth become mobile. And you say, ah, it's a chronic disease. No, it's not chronic. It's a disease that has been misdiagnosed, poorly treated, the infection hasn't been removed, and patients haven't been taught to be autonomous in their home hygiene. That's the most important thing. I have patients I never see, they listen to me, they do it, they go to their dentist two or three times, they use the right technique. They call me back or write a year later, I did the Bonheur method and I'm better, I don't have pain anymore, I don't have bleeding, I don't understand. But well, you see, it's science, you have to work with live science, active science, you see. For those who have bad breath, who are told about it, how do we know if it's due to a digestive problem, rather due to periodontitis, trichomoniasis, which is specific, which will produce bad breath, or another type of parasite, for example, where there is no periodontitis yet, but it might be due to gingivitis or plaque, or certain bacteria, before going to the dentist, and even then, he might not have the resources to find the exact cause. Are there ways to know where this bad breath might come from? Listen, Jérôme, your question is so pertinent. It's the heart of our conversation. I don't know how to introduce it better. But listen, how to know if there are bacteria? How to know if there are white blood cells? How to know if there are parasites? If it's amoebas, it's a bit less fast. If it's trichomonas or if it's fast and you stink of bad breath, do you leave food particles in your mouth, that will bring macrophages rather than neutrophils? The answer is simple, simple, simple as can be, and we've had it for a century. The answer is called the microscope. It's such a simple, effective, corroborating diagnostic tool, you see. And it's easy, you just have to open your mouth, I collect a bit of saliva, a bit of microbes from the mouth, I put it on a slide, it takes me a minute, I look, three minutes, we know everything that's causing your problem. It's all described in the literature for those who want to read. The microscope opens up a screen for you. When I'm healthy, I have small bacteria in the shape of dots and lines, nothing else. I'm healthy, dot and line. I check myself, every three months, dot and line. It's been 45 years, I look, I only have dots and lines. So, 35. I have dots and lines, they are small immobile bacteria. You see, it's simple. And this is a standard because experts say, yes, but no oral microbiome is the same in people. You see, everyone is different. False. False, false, false. Healthy people have harmless little bacteria, relatively immobile dots and lines, and there are never any parasites. Never, never, it's zero. And it's been explained in the literature since 1985, by our eminent researchers in microscopy, you see. But everyone says, yes, but microscopy is not diagnostic. So, wait. All medicine, all science, every time you see a medical item, a commercial, a drug, a product, a pharmaceutical, a medical company, you see, a microscope. Dentists have banned the microscope, you see, they have banned it. We had small microscopes for 200 euros at university. We each had a small microscope for 200 euros in which you see nothing or almost nothing. I introduced what I call a hospital-type microscope. My first one cost me the equivalent of 12,000 euros. It's expensive, happy to buy 12,000 euros for a microscope. Yes, but I see everything with it. Today, they have them at half price. And moreover, we see even better, you see. So, the microscope gives us the diagnosis of microbes, good microbes, bad microbes. We see it very, very well. That's what I teach everywhere in my training. We see the inflammatory response, neutrophils, sometimes a lymphocyte, often macrophages. And there are macrophages, there are M1, M2, you see. There are those who say, let's go to war, and then there are those who say, okay, it's starting to heal, we're starting to rebuild bone, you see. So, this biological knowledge allows us to evaluate the inflammatory response, what the trend is. And for me, to heal a patient, there must be zero inflammatory response, none. There must be less than 1% of bad bacteria. There must be no parasites, zero, no parasites. If you have parasites this year. You would come to see me saying, can you check if I have parasites? You're not too much into periodontitis, but if you have parasites, next year, you'll lose bone. That's perfect, that brings me to the next question I'm preparing for. Is it possible to be concerned, to have gingivitis and to have possible periodontitis developing, or at least to have the parasites there and not know it, to have no signs, not necessarily bad breath, not necessarily bleeding, or at least we don't see them. Can one be concerned by what we've been talking about without knowing it? You will be concerned by the harmful effects, you see. You will be concerned that your mouth doesn't smell good. You will be concerned that your friend won't kiss you, you'll wonder why. You will be concerned about your periodontitis, your tooth moving a little. You'll say, hey, you see, that's concerning. I saw a film by my best-known guitarist, at the end of his video, he pulls out a tooth himself on camera. He says, "Ah, this one was moving too much." You see, that's concerning. And when I saw him do it, I said, "Oh, God, Lord, God in heaven, have mercy on me." Even the mouth is being pulled out on camera. Childbirth. No, that's not possible. You're concerned, you realize it, but you go to your practitioner, you go to your specialist who tells you, "Listen, it's a chronic disease, we can't cure it, we'll do cleanings, regular root planing. We'll control or stabilize it." And that, for me, is the worst thing in the world. It's telling the patient that there's nothing to be done. It's like you're concerned and you're stuck with it until you die. That doesn't make sense. It's just an infection. Okay, but what you seem to be saying is that it will necessarily manifest. It will necessarily manifest with visible signs, but is it, I mean, can it take weeks or months or even years to manifest physically and have these parasites doing their thing for a long time without us knowing, is that what's a bit scary? Yes, yes, yes. But listen, the first concern, the first thing is my gum bleeds, regardless of floss, brushing, I pick at it, anything, you're already in C5, you're denying your problem. It's an open door. You walk outside in the snow at -22, as it is, -23, and you roll in the snow saying, "It's okay, but it hurts a bit, my skin is burning." You're concerned, you have gingivitis, it's starting. It's starting from within. You can wash yourself in the snow every day, you won't die from it, but if you do that all the time, something will happen at some point. So, gingivitis, you see it, it smells, it's manageable and all. But then, periodontitis, you don't tell the difference, except when you go to the dentist. Because then, the dentist, seeing that your gum is bleeding, will measure with his little probe, and he measures, instead of 2 or 3 millimeters, he measures 4, 5, 6. Oh dear, you've lost bone. At 6 millimeters, I've lost 3 millimeters of bone. I've lost a quarter of the attachment. So, the only one who will express it is the dentist, the dental hygienist, you see. They will tell you, listen, there's a problem, you have bone loss. That must be told to the patient, and they will show it to you on the X-ray. They will show you your X-ray, they will tell you, look, here, it's going down, there's no more bone, there's less bone, there's no bone, you see, it's advanced, beginner, it's moderate. He will make the diagnosis. So, in any case, always see, I'm the one with Google, I'll close, you see, always, always see your dentist, the hygienist, that's the second step, you always have to do that. Then, what I say is that dentists are nice, they are refined, they want to, but they have an apprenticeship of stone breakers. They make holes in teeth, they put fillings in teeth, they extract teeth, they do root canals, they put in screws, they put in implants. You see, they are stone breakers, and I, from time to time, annoy them. I say, you are road workers for stones. That's not what the mouth is, that's not what gum disease is. Gum disease is a medical problem, it's an infection and inflammation problem. It's biology, you see. I have a friend who follows my training, who has been doing it for 25 years. She has treated 5,000 patients. I'm receiving her this week, if you want, I'll even announce it, Paro Bio. She's having an evening, she'll probably present 5,000 of her cured patients. But that's not seen anywhere. It's starting. But she's been using our method for 25 years. She cures patients and she'll show it to the public. It's starting. I'm shouting it everywhere, but I'm not being heard by academics, or very little. I receive what I call the cream of dentists, the cream of periodontists. Those who are curious, who want to learn and do biology and heal their patients, they come to listen to me and it works, what's happening is that it works, we stop the disease, and everyone says, one of them told me last week on the Facebook support group. He tells me if I say I cure periodontitis in the US, he tells me the order will kick me out, they will take away my license, you see. If I say "I cure periodontitis," the Order takes away my license. Because the establishment doesn't know how to do it, the specialists can't do it. But we can do it as a group, you see. We have a group of dentists, we have 2,000, 3,000, 4,000 dentists who do microscopy all over the world, but well, more in France, because I lived in France for 10 years, you see, then I went for 10 years to explain to France, because France... Open a dialogue. In Quebec, if I talk about this, I've had responses, but the specialists, they tell us, hey Bonheur, you're not allowed to talk, you're not allowed to talk, we'll close your practice, tatata. The microscope is not diagnostic, you see, we are at war with the anti-microscope people, you see, which doesn't make sense, because a microscope, how can you say that, you know, the specialists, the Order of Dentists passed in 2016, to all dentists, mandatory training to explain to dentists that with a microscope, they couldn't differentiate a gum cell from a white blood cell. And from an amoeba parasite. They say, you can't tell the difference. Absolutely false. It's child's play with a quality microscope and a little training. We can diagnose which are the good cells, which are the good and bad microbes, which are the bad parasites, what is the inflammatory response, in which direction it's going, and when the inflammatory response is gone. So, today, listen, we want to work with artificial intelligence, we will do it soon, surely, you see, we will perhaps address the subject there, but it's certain that if I put a camera with artificial intelligence that reads my microscope, we will do like doctors. Doctors do that, it's true. They take a sample from the stomach, from the stool, and the microscope, they send it away and tell the artificial intelligence, tell me if there are parasites, which ones, etc. And then the microscope will give them all the answers. We can do that too. Except that I like the living aspect. I show people what they have in their mouths, their inflammatory cells, their parasites they've caught. And then, I think it touches the person much more. I am infected with this parasite. You see? Oh dear! There's a little question. You have to stop me. No, but I have a little question about that, because it seems, and you describe it as ultimately a revolutionary discovery and way of practicing dentistry, which brings unprecedented results, particularly on periodontitis. So, we may not have defined it at the beginning, but gingivitis, inflammation of the gums, periodontitis, it's the bone, in fact, it's under the gum. It's that it affects the fibers that hold the tooth and the bone together, you see, it's the connection, there. That's periodontitis. You know, but I... Yes, I'll stop you right away to say that it's not new. Okay, but that's exactly what I'm getting to. If it's not new, if the results are rather convincing and that dentists trained in this method have incredible results. If we assume that in Quebec, it's very segmented and the message doesn't get through, but that in France, for example, the message gets through much more, that there's an open mind on the interconnections between dentists, doctors, biologists, etc. How is it that, since you're talking about it, well, you're talking about it specifically, and I imagine your students talk about it a lot too, for years, the fact that you've been talking about it for years, how is it that this treatment method hasn't exploded, hasn't exploded, even in France or anywhere else in the world, since it's so effective? We come back to the same point. The point is that, I'll explain it to you more concretely. What I explain to my students is, you see, dentists, somewhere, my grandfather was a dentist in the 1920s, some of them, you see, and dentists, they built a small house, a small school, which is located next to the medical school, you see. But it's not inside, you see, it's next to it. And then, one day, I wanted to specialize. I went to Louisiana. I'm going to Louisiana. I'm going to be a periodontist. I'm going to do that. And then they told me, yes, yes, you're going to do the usual thing. You see, surgeries. Yes, but I don't do surgery anymore. I treat this with surgery. But well, I realized where the dental school was. When I went to visit the dental school in Louisiana, I realized it was five kilometers from the medical school. So, that's the first mistake. There are many mistakes. The first mistake is to have a closed school that is not open to medicine and biology. So, that's the main mistake of all dental schools. You'll have superb schools, 3-4 floors, clinics, practices, but no one has a microscope. Go to medicine, everyone has a microscope everywhere, in all sciences, you see, in all sciences, infections, histology, pathology. What I did at school, unfortunately, you see. But well, I loved it, you see, because then you understand everything. So, the first mistake is, People are a bit like, I'm going to be a bit mean here, it's a bit like, I have lice in my head, you see, you see, it's the heavy weight, and then we'll cut the hair, we'll remove quite a bit, you see, and then it will manage it. No, you shouldn't cut your hair, you need to treat the infection, remove the lice, you need to treat it, it's an infection with lice. The mouth is the same, it's an infection with bad bacteria, bad parasites, and no one looks at them. First and foremost, periodontitis, which causes bone destruction, is called dysbiosis. Bad microbes, including parasites. That's the second mistake, because for a century, we've been saying, it's bacteria, it's bacteria, it's bacteria. We're stuck like in Galileo's time or I don't know what, before Einstein came along. Einstein says, oh yes, but there, you have a bit, let time pass, it's not the same. Or Galileo, you know, when two stones fall, the small stone, the big stone, everyone looks at it and says, well, it's like that, the big stone falls faster, until you experiment. So, dentists, as long as they haven't experimented with the microscope in their practice, they won't believe it. Even academics, I'm in contact with Harvard every week, I have friends there, when do you use your microscope? They haven't done it yet, you see. They don't dare, they do DNA tests with averages, bad diagnoses, it's appalling, you see. The microscope is a wonderful tool, which has not been accepted in dental schools. And that, I think, is a serious fault. Because then, we have Alzheimer's, heart disease, even reproduction, premature babies, six times more in pregnant women. There are many things, even cancers, you see, pancreatic cancers, intestinal cancers associated with periodontitis. I think today, before, I forgave dentists. But today, I don't really forgive anymore, you see. They suffer from a certain medical ignorance, I apologize. They do PCRs, DNA reproductions, and all that, but it's less precise. I've never seen anything more specific than microscopy. So, in 1914, dentists in the United States, some who had microscopes, said, "Listen, there are always parasites." And I remove the parasites, people heal, 1914. Then, in 1930, a meta-analysis study was done, and then there are 3, 4, 5, 6 dentists. We remove the parasites, everyone heals. Really? Yes, because when you remove the parasites, you also remove the bad bacteria, and then the white blood cells leave. Then, there are people who do advanced microscopy, you see, in 1985, who say, listen, the ratio is 0 versus 100. There are never any parasites in health. There are 100% in periodontitis. That would be important, especially since we can see it under the microscope. It's a big creature that moves around like that. You see it moving on the screen. When I put up 60-inch screens, people will go, the monster. But it's in my head. So, the microscope, it's appalling what it does, but this lack of openness. What the French have, French doctors, French dentists, they have an openness to look at this. And the field was opened in France for me by Mr. Jacques Charon. Mr. Charon is someone who did microscopy. He taught for ten years before me, more or less the same thing. But well, I work with salt, he doesn't. I take measurements, he doesn't. Well, anyway. But he opened the door in France. Jacques Charon and all his group, okay? He stopped some time ago. I've picked it up a bit and added precise protocols, I've added microscopy with all the parasitology, I've explained why they are pathogens and we're not allowed to keep them. So, it has evolved over time, but we're not there yet. You know, I'm going to give a course, a training in Toulouse, I have 80 periodontists in front of me, I spend the day explaining to them, you see, all this, the images, the films, and then, they come back to me at the end of the day, yes, but... What tells us that it's true? It's like, take your first patient, take a sample, look at the microscope, you'll see that it's true. It happened to me, you see, a friend who works in dentistry, his brother is a periodontist, his brother had surgeries everywhere that worked more or less, you see. And there, I see this poor guy, whose brother is a periodontist, you see, he treated him, no results, no healing. My first patient, I take the sample under the microscope, I said, my God, everything you have in there is full of pathogenic bacteria, it's full of microbes, it's full of pus, and he's treated by his own brother, but his own brother doesn't believe in the microscope because it's not taught in school. The first thing is to have microscopes, but quality microscopes. It's very affordable to have one for a group. You put it in schools and you explain to people how to do it the right way. That's what I learned from Lyons. People, they take saline solution. They put a small drop of saline and then they put the microbes. Do you know what physiological saline does to parasites? It makes them burst, so you don't see them anymore. So, people, not knowing parasitology, destroy the parasites themselves when preparing their specimens. Then they look at me and say, yes, but we don't see any, Marc. Yes, but, you see, it's with saliva. That's Trevor Lyons, in the 80s, who discovered that to keep the microbes alive, you put them in the patient's own saliva. And then you preserve them for an hour or two, watching them move around everywhere. These are relatively simple scholastic errors, but you need to know, we haven't covered the parasitology chapter, you see. And if I keep rambling, you see, it will bring me to 1897, elementary biology, Geoffrey Thomas Parker, you see. A century and a half ago, the elementary biology book, the first chapter, do you know what it is? 20 pages on amoebas. Like we have in the mouth, and how they live, how they reproduce, and how to kill them, you see. If you go to a biology book nowadays, that has disappeared. There's no longer a chapter on amoebas in food biology, you see. No one learns that in dental school, in medical school a bit, because we treat intestinal amoebiasis. You see, it's known, you go to Mexico, you catch amoebas, they lodge in the intestine, you get an abscess, a bit tired, bloody stools, you've caught parasites and it's easily treated. Metronidazole, Flagyl, you see.

You are healed. If you don't heal it, it goes into the liver, there, it makes a kiss and you die, you see. But doctors, they understood well, in Mexico, they give you metronidazole right away and it always works, you know. It's easy. But you must not get reinfected, you see. These are notions of parasites. And the microscope, you know, a parasite, for him, it's easy to find when you have the right technique. I have Californian dentists, they put the, how do you say, they glue the slides with Putex, strong products, you see. They kill the parasites, you see. You shouldn't do that, just suction with saline. You see, these are small precautions of parasite biology that one must know to avoid mistakes. And when you know how to do it, you do like me 35 years ago, without error, I look and I say "Ah!". How many nights I didn't sleep thinking I was the only one to know this secret, you see? And 25 years ago, I said, listen, it's not possible. I'm leaving my practice, I'm going to France, I'm going to California, I'm going everywhere. I have to talk about this, it's my duty as a human being on this planet. That's why, for 25 years, I've been doing this, because it's quite ignoble, you see? If my sister has this or my neighbor has this, it's truly ignoble not to inform them and not to heal them. We have the tools. What are the worst cases you've seen in your practice or in any case the craziest cases of periodontitis due to these parasites? That's an unexpected question. The craziest cases are in all directions. You see, I have a patient, for example, who has been suffering from fibromyalgia for years, you see. She comes to see me, she tells me, listen, I have periodontitis, my front tooth is loose, I've lost bone here, I've lost bone there, I've lost bone there, well, okay. She tells me, I'm coming from the specialist, the periodontist, he wants to extract, extract, extract and put in an implant, an implant, an implant, an implant. I say, listen, that's one position, mine is very different because even if it's very deep, you have defects called angular. So, if it's not all the bone that's gone, it's angles and then when you have bone left in the angle, it will give back cells to reattach to the tooth. So, the faster and more aggressive and angular your periodontitis is, there, it's morphology, the more I know I will treat and heal it quickly, you see. Well, after my first discoveries, it's, after a few months, the person tells me, you know, I don't know if it's related, but I no longer have fibromyalgia, you see. Before, I couldn't work, I couldn't lift my baby, I couldn't clench my fists, you see, I was inert, there. And now, I have nothing left. Does it coincide? Afterwards, I have some who had significant arthritic problems. I treat them and then they come back the following year like this. It's going well, it seems to be going better, yes. Then, sometimes, patients don't realize that their health is better. The worst things are not the severity. It's sure that when it starts, it's easier to treat. It's a means, it's treatable, it's too advanced. The tooth is moving like this, you can't do anything anymore. It's the mechanics that are failing. So, you have to treat in the first two-thirds. After that, it's too late. That's extravagant. Now, I was looking at Facebook this morning, I see a patient posting her X-ray, and there are seven, eight teeth, there's no bone left. And she tells me, the dentist is going to extract my teeth. Yes, but well, those with no bone left, okay, they have to be removed. But those with half the bone left, you can keep them. Yet, I have patients who fly, I have patients who drive four hours to come see me under a diagnosis of, they're going to pull all my teeth, deep pockets, I call them 10 mm, and the patient says, I'll go see Bonheur first. They come to see me, I look, the tooth is still solid, even if it's very deep, very infected, we're going to treat you and I'm going to predict that you will heal if you do what I explain. It's unheard of to predict that one can heal. I predict it because I have 35 years behind me. My friend in Paris, she has 5000 patients behind her. She can predict it. If you do, if I remove the dysbiosis, if I remove the inflammation and I remove the little stone afterwards, it's clear that patients will heal if there's enough substance left. From what I understand, it's that ultimately, if we don't take care of our teeth, if we don't take care of periodontitis, about fifty diseases can arise, Alzheimer's, heart disease, other internal infections, but also directly in the mouth, loose teeth that will very likely lead to them being removed. Unless treated beforehand. But in fact, that's the end result. So, it's not to scare you. It's to realize that if nothing is done, the path we are heading towards is tooth extraction and potentially implants. Yes, but wait, you're not done with implants. Because when you put an implant in a patient who hasn't understood all this, who hasn't understood that there shouldn't be parasites around their implant, two years later, they will lose their implant. There, they will have spent 15,000 euros, 20,000 euros. And then, after a few years, they'll say, it's strange, I'm losing my implants. Well yes, because the cause, the habit, the transmission of the infection hasn't been treated. So, getting implants, yes, it works very well, but not in an infected mouth. So, these notions must be important for the person. It's about having a good diagnosis, but a real biological diagnosis. I have a doctor, I called a friend. I have a doctor who is in cutting-edge medicine, very holistic and all that, and he simply sends me his DNA report, PCR, the microbes in his mouth. I take his report on a piece of paper, but I say to myself, "Ah!", You're on the edge, but what I want is not 180 or 50 microbes, as they tell you, that's correct. I want zero microbes. And the microscope gives me that. So, you have to be, as the old folks say, you have to be almost perfect. But well, not everyone wants to be perfect. Not everyone will put in the energy to heal themselves. When I start with a patient, at first it's 10 minutes in the morning, 10 minutes in the evening. If you're not ready to do that, forget it, you'll pay me for nothing. 10 minutes in the morning, 10 minutes in the evening. In the long run, 5 minutes, 5 minutes, 3 minutes, 3 minutes, it happens. But it's crucial that the person is autonomous. And second, it's crucial that they are coached by a biologist. No biologist, you have no idea where you stand. Precisely, so I'd like to come back to that a bit, to the practical or practical side, now that we've understood the origin of the discovery, the obstacles, and the physiology of this periodontitis. For those who are in the case of periodontitis, who have recognized themselves in the symptoms, indeed, consult as quickly as possible a dentist who practices, and who also has a biological side to be able to make this diagnosis of trichomonas or other things. It's always see the dentist. After, if you can see a biologist dentist who does microscopy or can do PCR tests, that's fine, a piece of paper with results, like the doctor's exam. But I prefer the living. You explain to the patient, look at your parasites, look at your fuels, that's not going well. Second, it's a biologist dentist, microscopist, preferably. To be now, to try to prevent, in prevention, we talked about it a little earlier, I have some follow-up questions, to avoid already reaching gingivitis, then periodontitis. I dare hope that most people don't have these problems and want to avoid them. Those who already have these problems, we've understood that they need to consult. But, So brushing teeth, obviously, frequency, the way to do it. Are there any foods, types of food that already at the base, if we go back a bit to the ground of dental plaque and the bacterial population that develops in the mouth, does meat, certain types of food, cereals, I don't know, cause more, bring more harmful bacteria? Should foods be eliminated, not for one's intestinal health or not for weight gain, but if we are only interested in dental hygiene? Listen, from my experience, I have a good and a bad answer. Eating well is always perfect, it's always what you should do. I switched to keto six months ago, I was a bit overweight, I lost, I don't know, 20 kilos in four months and I feel great. I'm keto, diet, evolution, at the gounderie. Well, anyway, it improved a lot of things. Before, I thought refined sugar, what dentists explain, you see, no refined sugar because there are lots of microbes and everything. I realize today that even bananas, peaches, pineapples, sweet things, cause problems with your blood sugar level, etc., we make new discoveries and that's all good, so yes, you have to be careful with all that. That's perfect, but as for gums, you see, I have lots of people who don't eat very well, who eat badly, who don't take supplements, and I don't see much of a connection. Because... Ah yes. That's interesting. Removing pathogenic microbes, you see, it's easy. Listen, we use oxygenated water as a base, which your own cells produce, neutrophils, they produce oxygenated water. We use oxygenated water, it kills bad microbes, it keeps the good ones. Then, we use baking soda which is gentle for all wounds and we add salt. Why? Because salt, one part salt to 6 parts baking soda, salt makes parasites explode. You see? So, it's a method I teach at home where you do it and it avoids you. It kills most parasites. If you have too many, we'll move on to medication, but if it's not too advanced, these are kitchen things that work. Afterwards, I looked for where this salt recipe comes from. I never found it, except with the Egyptians. The Egyptians brushed their teeth at the time of the pyramids with natron, baking soda and salt. That's what salt does, the first chapter of food biology, it makes parasites explode, you see, we're going back a long way, we brush our teeth with oxygenated water, a little baking soda and salt, and you heal. I've lost the thread of your question. No. But it was about food, but you've more or less answered. Listen, I see very little, very little. Really not. However, wait, I'll come back to the salt because that's interesting. I would say that food is important, but I will heal people who eat anything, crisps, chips, whatever you want, they will heal just the same. For me, as soon as I remove the bad microbes, I take care of the inflammation with a good technique. There is no type of food that brings more bad microbes than others, is that it in reality? But for teeth. Maybe if you do studies, a bit more sugar, a bit more periodontitis, maybe you can find it, but it's like stress, it's like genetics. People say "I'm stressed, I got periodontitis". You see, I said "wait, my father died, I got periodontitis". Wait, my father died, I didn't get periodontitis. These things, they exist. I smoke, yes, a bit more periodontitis. Me, I say, when you smoke, you put your hand in your mouth 70 times a day, for I don't know how many times a year, and then you pass the shisha to your neighbor who is infected. You see, you have to understand the disease. It's an infection with a prior condition which is gingivitis. Someone who never brushes their teeth, who eats poorly, is likely to have gingivitis, they will decline. Someone who eats poorly, but brushes their teeth very well, will not have gingivitis, and they will be fine. I understand. And there is toothpaste with salt. I've seen that before. That's something you would recommend 200% for sure, also for prevention. It's already better, but I don't dare to do it because in toothpastes, there are many products that prevent the effectiveness of this salt. You see? And the companies, you see, they've made an anti-periodontitis product. They've quadrupled the amount of fluoride, which for me is poison. You see, it makes no sense, no head or tail. Okay? I use oxygenated water for brushing the first month, in the second month I add dental floss and baking soda powder that we apply with the finger to kill microbes. You don't even need toothpaste, you see. Of course, I take a little because it has a little taste, but well, I put a quarter drop on my brush, you see. I don't want any fluoride dose. You can get one without fluoride, you see, as you wish. But what works is oxygenated water, diluted. We dilute it to 1%, you see. And the salty baking soda, it costs nothing. You have it in your kitchen, in your pharmacy. It costs nothing and it works. And it's the best toothpaste, that. Pardon? That's the recipe for the best toothpaste. Well, listen, it's with that that I treat and heal patients. Then, people say, yes, but I'm not going to brush with baking soda. Baking soda is the least abrasive of all products. The least abrasive. Salt, on the other hand, is a bit abrasive. So, you have to be careful. Sometimes, we just apply it. Not to rub too hard so as not to damage the enamel. The problem is the salt. So, what do they put in toothpastes? They put silica grains. I see them very well under the microscope. The patient tells me, I don't use toothpaste, but I know he uses it because I see the sharp, shiny silica grains in his sample. The guy ate oysters yesterday. I see it. He ate grass. I see it in his gums. With the microscope, we are like, what's his name, the detective at your place, right? Nothing can be hidden from me. Nothing can be hidden from me, you see. I look and I find a lot of things. But the most effective is 1% oxygenated water, salty baking soda. Our recipe, it works very well. Afterwards, when you are healed, you do it twice a week, if you like it, once a day. But toothpaste, well, apart from the good taste, it's not... It makes you brush your teeth, you like it, you see. The little life. I'm going to sleep. That's good, it's a pleasure. Oil pulling, there are lots of things. Coconut oil and all that, there's nothing proven. Nothing really works. Disinfectants, some kill bad bacteria a bit. There are many things that work nowadays. It's chlorine, you see. You do mouthwashes with bleach. You see, it works in the Huesins. But bleach, chlorine, doesn't kill parasites. Polite. Let's say it helps maintain hygiene if you don't have parasites, since it destroys bacteria. Yes, if you do mechanical cleaning, but if you do mouthwashes with chlorhexidine or products based on chlorine, chlorine, as a biological element, does not kill parasites. It's the wrong product. You need oxygen or salt. And by the way, perfect, on mouthwashes, Listerine, for example, it seems to me that it's both a brand and a substance? To be banned. To be banned. To be banned, yes, because from what I've learned from... From YouTube and everything, and from medicine, I think mouthwashes with alcohol, especially, are worse, the tri, I don't know what's in it, it kills the bad and the good bacteria. It kills both. Because we have an oral microbiota. We have an oral microbiota with good and bad. An oral microbiota that is pretty much the same in all healthy people. There are maybe 200 good bacteria. If you do alcohol mouthwashes, mouthwashes with that thing, okay for a treatment that lasts a certain period, but if you do it long-term, you remove your good bacteria at the same time which are useful for, the story of nitrites that make your blood pressure need these, you need a good microbiota, we remove it, but it still needs to be there, if you remove everything, then you are in cardiac trouble, it's going too far, one day I have a patient, you ask me things, I have a patient who comes to see me, he had psychological problems, important but very important, before going into psychiatry, he tells me, I have microbes everywhere, I have microbes everywhere, I'll help you, I look, I take something from his mouth. No microbes there. I'm in front of my screen, the guy is so afraid of having microbes. There are no more microbes. And the fact of no longer having microbes, I think it has an effect on the psyche. Today, we're discovering a lot of things. You need a normal flora, but you shouldn't kill it. You need to keep this normal flora, and not have pathogenic flora. But you need to keep the good one. So, you have to be careful with products, and we always come back to that. If I look under the microscope, a healthy patient, they will have a flora, there are microbes, but only good ones. But there are no white blood cells and then nothing else but good ones. And we know what the good ones are, you see. Easy. Brushing your teeth without any toothpaste at all. It's possible. It's perfect too. It's perfect too. You wet your brush. What cleans is the mechanical action. You floss, the toothbrush with water, it's perfect. You don't have the little taste. Some will do it, they'll put a little bit of oil, I don't know what. They like it. Well, but be careful not to burn yourself. A little minty taste or a little taste of something. You don't need toothpaste. Toothpaste is a foam that gives us the impression that it cleans. But we would brush with water. In the past, those who didn't have toothbrushes brushed with bamboo branches, even sugarcane before it was, they transform it by cooking it and extracting the sugar. Even sugarcane cleans teeth. It's perfect. With sugarcane, you clean your teeth. It's dental floss. You eat corn that gets stuck between your teeth, it will still clean between your teeth. Then, you remove it with a piece of branch. But you have to find something natural. Then, we have companies that sell products. Of course. So, precisely, you see, on that, I had noted it down, what is your opinion, of course, it's an expected question, of manual brushing versus electric brushing, electric toothbrushes, and then I don't know if you've seen, there's a new type, so it's very good, I'll finish on this, I don't know if you've seen, the new electric toothbrushes that exist, I see the ads on social media where you don't even need, there's no more, handle. It's that you place it and it's like you have an internal mechanical action that is done. Good idea, very bad idea, or excellent idea? Listen, my last one, I tried it, I had it sent, I put it in my mouth, it doesn't clean anything. So, it's trash. You even tell me because I was wondering if I should test it. Don't do it, it's useless. So, the thing that does all that, maybe one day, you could put your head in a machine that will remove certain microbes. Well, AI, all that, but well. For now, the thing, no, it doesn't clean your trash. Don't even buy it, okay? The other thing, when I treat patients, I want them to do it manually, because I hold their hands, you do it like this, like this, you do it like this, you see, I make them autonomous with a toothbrush that you find anywhere, in any place, at a campsite in France, in Switzerland or in Canada, you see, the basic toothbrush, soft toothbrush, it always works. And for me, doing it with the patient, the gesture, it's like driving a car. You see, hold it like this. Sure, you can have an Allen Mask, I don't hold anything. But one day when you no longer have what you need, you say, how does the tractor, it? You have to learn manual. So, all my patients, I make them put away their electric toothbrush and I make them do it manually. But you need instruction. If you don't have instruction, then the electric toothbrush is really good. It works by itself. It goes everywhere. It goes on each side. It goes everywhere. It goes bzzz, changes side, goes inside, but you must not forget to go inside. So, the electric toothbrush is very good. But for learning, I think it's better to do it manually if you are sick with a coach next to you. So, electric is perfect anyway. People who... No, no, no, that's perfect. But you have to change the brushes... Regularly. Yes. Quite often. I do it at least once a month. Now, they say change once every three months. I find that a bit long, at least a month. If you are in... You see, when I treat a patient, if you are infected, the toothbrush is new every week. You see, a new toothbrush every week because you don't want to put things back in your mouth, not even. Hmm, hmm. You see, these are things to think about with a dental coach, you see, or a hygienist. So, it's interesting finally, whether it's manual or electric, well, the most important thing is obviously to go everywhere, to have the right, the right movement to come, in fact, into the gums. Well, the electric brush helps you with that. But a patient in treatment, I prefer them to learn, to learn. You see, they feel their mouth, they feel every spot they've done, it's a learning process, you see, it's like mowing the lawn and you don't forget the middle of the garden, you see, you go everywhere, you don't leave a patch of grass in the middle like that. It's manual learning, electric, because it changes sides. But if the guy never does the inside, it's not better. What is your opinion on... So, there are many new products for the mouth, we are specifically thinking about teeth whitening. I don't remember, I haven't noted down the exact name used for teeth whitening. Can that have a negative impact specifically on the gums or specifically on gingivitis? Listen, I'll probably surprise you. I used to do a lot of whitening when I had my practice with young people and all that, I did a lot. My biggest surprise was discovering, when you put the trays in, it's peroxide, you see. Yes, exactly, peroxide. It's peroxide gel, you see. My surprise was discovering that they had treated their periodontitis. No harm to the enamel. The enamel becomes white. It's a microporosity, but it doesn't show, you see, it's no worse than getting your teeth polished at the dentist. But, by doing the trays with peroxide-based products, you kill a lot of bad microbes. So, there is a protocol a bit like mine, in three months, you do a new tray, each month, you put the peroxide gel in it to whiten, and it kills parasites, and it kills bad microbes. Whitening inside kills parasites. Whitening inside with a tray is perfect. Go ahead, do it, get white teeth, put the tray in for three months, you kill your parasites and you treat your periodontitis. Well, it won't be proven that it's healed because it depends on the depth, but my first case, it's a guy who was getting married the following week or the month after. He tells me, my teeth aren't white enough. He had trichomonas and all that. I make him a tray like that, he does the whitening, he comes back to see me the day before the wedding and then I look. Wow! No more microbes, you're perfect, my man. You're good to get married now. You can kiss her, the beautiful one. Whitening is perfect for periodontitis. We'll be able to, everyone will be able to, in six months, when this episode is a hit, we'll all have white teeth, explaining that in fact, it's not about white teeth, it's about protecting yourself from trichomonas. The beneficial effect is that it kills bad microbes thanks to peroxide. Even alcohol isn't bad. I used to do a lot of sailing with young sailors who took cotisarc three times a day. Long-term, it's bad, it's cancer and all that, but on the other hand, it still kills parasites. You have to take things in proportion and under the microscope, depending on the person. Some products do one thing, a combination of things. It whitens teeth, but it kills parasites. Ultimately, it might be worth it. It costs less. We've talked a lot about gums, ultimately, about periodontitis. Very little about the teeth themselves, a tiny bit about enamel for abrasion, but on if I ask you a very simple, very basic, a bit childish question, what is more serious between a tooth infection or a tooth problem like a cavity that evolves badly or ultimately periodontitis? Listen, I don't dare to answer you because I'll surprise you again, I don't know how to answer you, but I'll do it anyway. I had a lot of cavities in my youth because I'm a chocolate, popsicle, chewing gum lover and all those junk foods. I had cavities everywhere when I was young, and what the dentist did was restore my teeth everywhere with amalgam. What is that? Amalgam is that gray stuff you have in your mouth to repair teeth, the filling, okay, it's roughly half silver, half mercury. And one day, while doing my dentist training, I took a device to measure the mercury coming out of my mouth. And it was alarming, enormous. And when you drink a bit of hot coffee, it increases for an hour, ten times more the mercury level. So, restoring teeth, yes, it's correct. It's broken, it's damaged by bacteria that have produced lactic acid or I don't know what. It makes a hole, then we clean, we dry, and we put a block of something. But that block of something, there are different products and it's not always explained to the patient. And generally, even today, I've fought for 30 years against amalgams, mercury fillings, like Kennedy, you know, he was also anti-mercury with fish and all that. I'm anti-mercury at the dentist, you see. We're not allowed to put it in the trash, but we put it in people's mouths. So, from a health point of view, you see, treating periodontitis is important. Treating cavities is also important. But if you put mercury everywhere, you have maybe 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 10% of people, you see. Me, at 15, my hands were shaking like this, I was wondering why. You see, at 15, there. I realized later, what was it? It's that you have mercury vapors all the time. Every time you walk, you have an hour of mercury. Every time you have a coffee, I see people going to restaurants, they have a coffee in the morning, they sip it all day with a little sugar in it. That's the worst thing to do, you see. The coffee you sip all day with a little sugar in it, there, you get cavities, you get the dentist who will put mercury in it. You're in England, they'll put mercury in for free, you see, and then you say, how come I have this, this, this disease, you see, associated with mercury, there are many, we could do the same thing with fillings as we do with the periodontitis device, you see, but well, that's another thing. But it's not over, mercury fillings, for treating cavities today, there's nothing else. Still at school, yes, there are many other materials, I always offer my patients, there's a silica composite. There's ceramic with a resin, but it's still made of 95% silica. They are blocks of stone, it's granite. Then there are ceramics today with computers, they make you the tooth. That's perfect. Or I've always done a lot of gold. The patient tells me, I want the best. The best is gold, except that it shows. Patients with whom I've used gold, 50 years later, they still have the same things, perfect, perfect, impeccable, but they've never had mercury. It's true that it goes into their system. It's normally, here too, a problem of ignorance. When you do something to a patient, you should tell them, okay, you have a cavity, you have to stop eating sugar. Okay? Stop eating sugar. That's the problem. And stop sipping liquids. Normally, it's a food diary that you should do with the dentist. Then, second step, we'll restore the hole that's there, we've cleaned it, we put something in. You should inform the patient, say listen, there are amalgams that contain mercury, there are composites, resins, there is ceramic, and then, what do you choose? What are the pros and cons of each? And then you choose after being informed. But here, people are not informed. I apologize for being a pain, you see. But for me, informing people in medicine is a basis, you see. You can't do things without giving the pros and cons. I have a patient who comes to see me, he talks to me about my title, listen, you can keep it, you can heal it. But he tells me, yes, but my neighbor, he stabilizes it. But stabilizing it, it will start again, you see. I try to be truthful, ethical, and give the person choices and then work with them. Me, I had amalgams everywhere. I went to my friend and I said, remove all of that, I don't want it anymore, I realize I have an alarming mercury level. You have to prepare the patient, you have to take products, you need the dam, you need suction to send the mercury elsewhere while you remove it. There are precautions to take. That's the good dentist. A bit holistic, that's the good dentist. You have to take precautions, you have to inform and leave the patient free with their choice. The patient chooses what they want for themselves. Some want health. Some want perfect health. Some want health at all costs. I think we should respect that and also provide answers. Thanks to you. Wonderful. Last thing, perhaps, look, two questions in one. In any case, they will converge on both tartar and the frequency you recommend for dentist consultations when everything is fine. Can allowing tartar to build up more easily lead to gingivitis, which will more easily lead to periodontitis? Yes or no? So that's a question, I don't know, I sometimes have a somewhat mechanistic view. Does removing tartar create areas where bacteria can lodge more easily because in fact it's like we've removed holes? Does that...

Does it make sense or not at all? Tartar, you must not leave it. Initially, it is above the gum. And there are people who say, "Yes, you don't brush your teeth well, you have tartar." Me, I brush my teeth well and I have tartar. Why do I have tartar? Because I have this type of bacteria in my flora that makes tartar. So, I make some. Every three months, I get it cleaned. An ideal patient is every six months. With us, we have hygienists. Dentists have almost two hygienists per practice, per dentist, to remove tartar. It's normal, it forms. There's really nothing to do, even if you brush your teeth. It's better if you brush your teeth, but it all depends on your flora. Some people get it, some people don't, depending on the microbes in their oral microbiota. It's variable. So, I say ideally, what we've always had, I think, as a sign in Quebec, twice a year, see the dental hygienist with the dentist who checks, everything is fine. So for me, too, it's perfect. The person who is really too good, very good, who feels like they're going for nothing, every time they go, there's nothing to remove. Okay, they can go once a year. And the one who gets tartar very often, deserves to go every three months. But the one who is, in words, also doesn't deserve to go every three months because they are not healed. They would deserve to be treated and healed and return to normal every six months. Every six months, listen, a visit to the hygienist, she makes sure there's no tartar. There's nothing there, it's easy. It's like, you know, girls do their nails. I don't know at what rate they do them. They do them, it's fine. But here, it's the same, teeth. Every six months. But no, for me, it's the best thing to do. If you are sick, we say go more often, but I say no, get healed and then you will return like a normal person too. But you need to be healed. And the fact of completely removing tartar doesn't expose more gums which will be more susceptible to catching something. We call tartar, in fact, it's supra-gingival tartar, above the gum. If you leave it for years, it will increase, it will form a big stone, and then it will injure the gum. That's a mechanical problem. I injure the gum by leaning on it because there's too much tartar. That becomes a mechanical problem. But if it's tartar above, but it barely touches your gum, it's not problematic, but you shouldn't leave it for 15 years. Then you will have problems. It must be removed regularly. We get tartar. It's like plumbing, it gets scaled, the bathtub, we wash it from time to time because it gets scaled, you see, it's part of things. Perfect. Regular visits to the dentist are perfect. Supra-gingival tartar is fine, we remove it. Tartar that is underneath doesn't have the same cause. That's periodontitis, and in fact, the tartar underneath is black because it bleeds underneath due to infection and parasites, you know what they do? They live, they make nests under the accumulation of tartar. They live under the tartar and they make babies. They multiply under the tartar. Oh yes, it's completely alien, they are parasite nests. In all my studies, you even have the images and everything, sketches, you have everything you need. Tartar underneath, you must not leave it, but before removing tartar underneath, I remove the infection. Because otherwise, I spread it everywhere. You have to think medically, biologically, and as a good hygienist, normally. And with their microscope, it saves everything. It does everything. Last little question, practical. I think we already have good basic understanding. Yes, you add to it, it's good. Every time, you're at the last question. No, no, that's fine with me. It's coming, it's coming, it's coming. But we'll wrap up because I think we've had an excellent overview. Washing your tongue, tongue scrapers, for example, are they recommended or not recommended? Yes, that's correct. Yes, that's correct. In treatment, it's important. Because in treatment, with me, with hydrogen peroxide, it tends to cause a hairy, white tongue, which has a few more cells on it. So, it needs to be cleaned. In treatment, it's important. It's part of the treatment. Like dental floss, tongue scraping for a year, that's my treatment. After, if you look, if you have a white tongue, go ahead, scrape a little. Remove the excess. Because in fact, microbes, good and bad, will lodge on the tongue. Between the small papillae, there are millions of papillae. And bacteria on the tongue, that's our flora. So, when I want to explain someone's flora, you see, I scrape the tongue, I show them their tongue flora. You see, that's their normal flora in general. And their flora in the gums, when it's infected, it's nothing like it. There are parasites, white blood cells, and everything that isn't on the tongue. In general, the tongue cleans itself well because... It cleans itself, it touches the palate with the tongue, yes, it's important to clean it, especially if you see it accumulating, absolutely during treatment, but afterwards, it's a matter of being reasonable, it's not an obligation. Dr. Marc Bonheur, thank you for all these explanations, it was fascinating, a little scary, we won't hide it, but we have everything we need to avoid periodontitis, parasitic infections, and for those who have dental problems. To avoid and to treat and to heal. There, exactly. I use the word that no one dares to use. You see, I'm a bit like Jean-Pierre Petit of this thing. You see, we can heal. You see, we can heal, but you have to go and see. You see, you have to become scientific. You have to become a biologist. No, listen, it's me who thanks you. Before you get out your guitar and I get mine out, we'll do it privately. We'll do that. We'll cut first. We'll cut. Alright, thank you Jérôme. Thank you. Just before we officially cut, if dentists, if health professionals want to train with you or among your teams, where can they find that? Do you give conferences today? Do you give them materialized, dematerialized? How does it work? Alright. Currently, given my age, I'm 73. I've had to slow down a bit. And I've lent my knowledge a bit to the Sana Horis team in Paris. They have two practices. They have periodontists who use my technique. Sana Horis. We do training relatively two, three times a year. Generally, Paris, maybe Paris, Toulouse. So, Sana Horis, you will find it. After, I have friends who are starting to do training, but they are small evening training sessions. Please, dentists, go listen to them. They explain how we can heal ourselves, you see. After, other training, I have a hygienist who is formidable, who did my training about fifteen years ago. She's in Australia. She was rallying all of Australia so that hygienists would have microscopes and treat periodontitis. She wrote a book called "How to Stop Bleeding Mouth," you see. I have my book "Mouth Time to Heal" since 2009. You just have to read it. People don't read much, but YouTube is very popular. Yes, more training. If you put my name, you'll find it everywhere. Currently, Sainte-Haurice. There are other groups. It's Paro Bio, a friend who is starting to do it. She has so many healed cases. She wants to present Paro Bio. It's in Paris. That too, I think, in February. Go spend an evening with these doctors. Well, go spend an evening with her. It's perfect. You'll see the healed cases, how it works. We are always on YouTube, and I think I'm going to start my YouTube lives every week soon. Very good. So, that was mainly for health professionals, those who want to train professionally. Patients too. Patients learn. I have patients who come to the training. It's not bad at all. Listen, I have patients who call me. I'm in Boston. I don't have time to go. They give you training in Montreal. I say, well, yes, yes, come, madam. Sit in the back, listen. And people heal themselves after returning home. I'm for people embracing knowledge. I can't stop people from knowing. It's paramount. Information is paramount. We will leave a link to your book in the episode description. You have a YouTube channel where you've made videos that are old by internet standards, so 4-5 years old. I have shorts. I have about thirty shorts this year, no, but I have a lot. I have some that get 500,000 views. There's a big demand, but I think the subject, it's true that it repeats itself, but I don't remove the old ones. I did things on Radio-Canada in 1995 or I don't know anymore, it's still there because it's the foundation, I don't remove them. There are 200 YouTubes, I have Facebook, Predontal Support, unfortunately, they are in English, support parodoncier group, and then I have all of Instagram, I manage as best I can, but I don't want to stop because the more active the brain is, the better it ages. Apparently. Apparently. Apparently, it's good. Perfect. And without periodontism. And without periodontism. Thank you. Thank you very much, Marc. Thank you all for listening to this episode. Thank you, Jérôme, for your invitation. Share the episode, the conversation. Share excerpts. Take a moment that was significant. You can send it to someone in your circle. So, if there's someone in your circle who has bad breath, take the opportunity to take the excerpt, send it to them to make them understand. For example. I'm sending you a little something from Jérôme. Look at this, it's interesting. Listen to the episode. And floss your teeth. Exactly. As for us, we'll say goodbye here. Stay with me, Marc. We'll be able to do our guitar duet privately. Okay. And as for you, take care of yourselves. Brush your teeth properly. Good health to all. And good health to all. Thank you. Bye. Great. Thank you Jérôme. Thank you to the team.