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It's God. It's God. It's God.
Okay, guys. So, uh, so uh, Isa, uh, Dexter on Tik Tok. Dexter.
Uh, Dexter has come and said, "I've seen you," and, these are his exact words, "I've seen you destroy Muhammad and THE ISLAMIC DILEMMA."
NO. YOU DIDN'T SAY THAT.
I said I'll clarify what I said. I said Muhammad hijab is a heretic. But yeah, you lowkey cooked ali. He didn't know his first thing about the cream. That wasn't the Islamic, that wasn't the Islamic dilemma though. That was regarding the of Allah. That's true. So let's not lie.
All right. I was I was okay. I might have fibbed a little bit. Um, that's what I thought.
He didn't say that exactly.
Exactly. But he did allude to. But that's what I heard. Okay.
Maybe. Yeah. Close enough. Um, so he wants to talk to me about the Islamadilla.
Yes. You love to use it whenever. The very the very nightmare of the um.
Is it? Oh, it's yours. It was a nightmare when he was asking me how do I disprove the according to according to according to uh Libyano he's getting hundreds of emails from Muslims doubting and becoming kufar because of the Islamic dilemma and he says WHO'S GOING TO STOP them? Are you are you the one?
Yes. He said it has to be me. I stop life.
You you didn't stop life. You got to be kidding a him.
All right. He's finished.
Okay. So here's my thing. The Quran confirms the previous scripture, the Torah and the Gospel, what we have in our possession.
Yes. Right. And if the Quran contradicts these, then it is false. Here's why.
If yes, if it contradicts them, then it's false.
If it fully holistically confirms that.
Okay. So he's saying that it's not a full confirmation, but it's a partial confirmation.
Is that right?
Yes. A general confirmation. Okay. Anything that agrees within the Quranic paradigm and the Islamic paradigm, we accept to be an attribution to revelation. Anything that disagrees with the Quranic and the Islamic because it's the Islamic dilemma, not the Quranic dilemma, the Islamic paradigm, it is going to follow that. That is attribution of falsehood.
Okay. Perfect.
So with this being said, I have a question for you. What happens to those who pick and choose what they want to believe out of the scriptures?
No issue. In what context?
In any context.
It depends. If we believe it to be verbatim scripture under the premise that it is going to be scripture from God, then sure, we can say that they're going to go to hellfire. But if there's an exception to that ruling being that we agree this is going to be distorted within our own paradigm, then nothing happens to them.
Got you. So in your paradigm, because the scriptures are corrupted, then you can pick and choose what to believe and set aside the false. That's which cuz this is just to clarify this is an internal critique.
Sure. Perfect. Sure. Yeah. Sure. Perfect. Just got that on camera. So we are going to be critiquing. So we're already granting that he's granting my theological basis. My theological basis. Oh, okay. Within internal critique, my theological basis is the Quran is from Allah. So when the direct word of God claims X and the word of his prophet claims X scripture is false and labels the Quran as a meaning comes from the word that it differentiates between that which is true and false. So under this presupposition, anything that disagrees with it would be false under the internal critique.
Okay. Awesome. So here it is. He said the Quran is out for God.
It's a criteria.
Distinction of truth and falsehood.
Perfect. Guess what else is the criteria? So the Torah according to this uh what is it called? The internal critique is also identified as over what?
Alan.
Over what?
So, well, here's the thing. The Quran never says that it is al for over the previous scripture.
No. It does.
And neither. So, but now I would argue that the Torah is alan over the Quran. And that's what I'm going to prove today. Inshallah.
Okay. Now, on top of this though, I just want us to get this real point across. If the scriptures have been corrupted, then therefore it is okay to pick and choose what you believe in as long as it is in line with the Quran.
Yes. Right. And so this.
And the Sunnah Islamic paradigm.
Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. And so my question is this, just to build this up a little bit, was the Torah and the Gospel corrupted during Muhammad's prophethood?
No issue regarding its writing, regarding its speech, regarding not what was it corrupted the book?
Yeah. It was. Yes.
All right. Awesome. So, the Torah and the Gospel were corrupted during Muhammad's time, his prophethood. Okay. So, in Muhammad's time, they're allowed to pick and choose what they believe in the Torah and Gospel as long as it lines up with the Quran, right?
Yes. And the Sunnah.
Okay. All right. Now, here's my issue with this ladies and gentlemen. In Sarah Bakar chapter 2, verse 85, it says, now it talks about I don't remember the exact beginning, but it talks about how they're saving some of or uh uh uh abandoning some of their own.
They choose some of the scripture and they throw the rest behind.
Yeah. To get to the gist of it, it says, "Do you believe in part of the scripture while rejecting the rest? Those who do so among you are disgraced in this life and there awaits for them the severest torment in the hereafter."
So. Perfect.
So with this being said, this is a corrupted book that they have specifically the Jews in context. They have a corrupted Torah and Allah is reprimanding them for believing in part of the Torah, this corrupted Torah, and rejecting part of this corrupted Torah. Allah says they have to believe in all of this corrupted Torah. Is that correct?
Yes.
Now, regarding that, do you know that uh the reason of revelation of that verse real quick?
Yes.
What is the reason of revelation? Uh, dealing with some of the tribes that they were uh they weren't treating some of their people correctly and they were treating their enemies better which goes against the Torah. They were appealing to some parts of the Torah and rejecting other parts.
No issue. Nowhere in this verse by the way and by the way the earliest rescions of the manuscripts of our companions regarding their writings like Morawia who was a prolific writer and also a companion leader of the caliphate Abbas and so on nowhere does it say this is a general ruling it's specific the Jews at that time and Ib kazir actually explains this multiple times the Jews at their time believed that that was the scripture of God. Now Allah is saying if that is what you believe to be the scripture of God, why do you pick some of it and follow it and choose some of it and throw it behind your backs?
Now again now the second thing we don't take the Quran in isolation. This would only apply to what's my evidence for this only applying to the people of the book. both chap chapter five where he mentions the Quran as and confirming over that which was before. Not only that, my second evidence would be chapter 2 verse 79 with the of every single one of the companions.
Okay, let's let's work a little slow here.
Okay. So you're saying this only appeals to the people of the book, the Jews and Christians.
Yeah, the what they believe to be that.
No worries. That's okay. You're saying it only appeals to them. The point that he made, ladies and gentlemen, was is that well, this isn't really talking about the true scripture. It's talking about what they say is the scripture. Here's my question. According to the verse, who calls it the scripture? Do they call it the scripture or does Allah call it the scripture?
Yeah, no issue. The same way Allah addresses ex people's beliefs. Yes, he called it the scripture. Addressing their beliefs.
Does he address it as this is what you believe the scripture to be or does he himself emphatically call it?
As I just said, as I just said, we don't take it in isolation. So my earliest exa Jesus right being Ib Abbas and being even IB isn't an early one but he quotes the none of them understood this to be Allah saying they had the direct calam Allah in their hands but he was addressing what they believe to be the scripture.
Wait, wait, wait. Hold on a second. I'm I'm a little confused.
Yeah.
So, if um, let's let's say they let's say they didn't follow this corrupted cuz it's corrupted.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's not it's not really scripture.
Yeah. It's what they believe.
So, why in Allah's hell?
Would he address them?
Would he condemn them for going against what isn't scripture at all?
No issue. Allah is pointing out their hypocrisy. Meaning that they would choose from the book that they have in their hands part of it and reject another part.
What's wrong with that? Meaning, please.
What's wrong with that?
Cuz they believe it to be scripture.
Just help me out. They believe if I believe the Hindu scriptures are scripture and I'm being hypocritical with Hindu scriptures. Is Allah going to send me to hell for that? Is that a sin against Allah?
No issue. What he's referring to is their belief. I I know.
Yeah, he will send them to hell cuz he's highlighting. Oh, hold up. He's highlighting how they have the habit. Doesn't mean they believe it's scripture in of itself.
Allah can wait. No, wait.
Allah can send someone to hell for hypocrisy they hold and label it. Doesn't mean that's the sole reason they're going to hell because they're rejecting the scripture. The reason is is because of their hypocrisy.
In Allah's religion or in their own?
In general. He's pointing out.
No, see this is this is my thing. This this is my thing. If I'm if I'm a hypocrite in a false religion, how is that a sin against Allah who's supposed to be of the true religion?
Because they attribute chapter 279. If you read a few verses onward from this, 10 verses onward, woe to those wrote the book with their hand.
What book?
It's referring to the Torah in according to.
And what's the Torah?
Yeah.
Is the Torah Allah's book?
It's equivocal.
Is it Allah's book? It can refer to Allah's book directly given to Moses or it can refer to what they have.
Is it Allah's book?
Generally here it's referring to what they have.
Is there ever a time where the Torah is not Allah's book?
Yes.
Show me in the Quran where it says that issue.
I don't have to appeal to the Quran.
Yes, you do. That's your basis. Look, now he says I don't have to appeal to the Quran.
Wait, I can appeal to hadith. We.
Do that. Show me a Quran verse or hadith where the Torah is not Allah's book.
Yeah. So if you go to the hadith the famous hadith of Ib Abbas in Bkari where he says how can you go to the people of the book and ask them anything when you know they distorted the of Allah the book of Allah with their own hands and he addresses it where and he says the word I'm just saying the book.
Does it say that it's the Torah? Does he call it the Torah?
The books of Allah. What the books of Allah?
No. Does he call what they wrote with their own hands the Torah?
Yes. Abbas fally. We can do the rhetoric.
I can only. I can affirm.
Trust me, bro.
I can affirm the exit.
Trust me, bro.
Of Abbas, he says their books.
What does the Quran? Are there books the Torah?
Wait, no need to cut in. I'm going to ask YOU A QUESTION.
I got to help you out.
When the Quran says and their books, but he doesn't say to people of the book, the people of the book, those who read the books, what books are he referring to?
What books are he referring? That's your argument. What book is it?
Yeah. What book is that?
The Torah.
Is that Allah's book?
Yeah. Equivocal. It depends what we're referring to.
So, this is what I asked you again. Because guys, listen to this. We are now in 2026 Islam where there is a Torah where the Torah is not Allah's Torah. The gospel is not Allah's gospel. This is where we're at in Islam now. So can you show me anywhere in your Islamic corpus in the Quran or hadith? I need Allah subhana wa ta'ala. I need the prophet, how do you guys say it?
There you go. There you go. I need their words identifying that this Torah or this gospel specifically this we're talking about is not Allah's Torah.
Yeah. Again, I just need to prove that the Quran has a theme of distinctioning between what he sent down to Moses and what he sent down to the people of the book. Once I prove there's a distinction, then I can move on to how that distinction is understood by the earliest recipients of the text and how they practic made that practical.
I have a question. I have a question.
In their Torah.
Cuz it's not the actual Torah.
We don't believe it's the one given to Moses, right? It's not the it's not the equivalent.
Referring to the Torah.
I got you. It's what it's what they're calling the Torah. So, it's not the real Torah. Okay. Does this not real Torah? Does this totally not the real Torah have Allah's judgment in it?
No issue. Parts of it. Yes.
So, part of a look guys, look at where we're at in Islam. Part of the totally not the real Torah has some of Allah's revelation in it.
What's the reduct?
But it's not Allah's Torah.
Yeah.
Then how does it have this revelation?
No issue. I can argue again something containing X being authenticated via the Quran cuz this is an internal critique. I can say that specifically would beam Allah. But do I believe that what they held in their hand is going to be verbatim everything within it the word of Allah? No. Cuz that's not the belief of anyone within Islamic corpus.
Let me do something that you can't do for me is answer my question and give what I'm asking you. I'm going to give you what I'm telling you is there. I'm going to give you a few. So for example, chapter 5:43, ladies and gentlemen, it says to Muhammad, "Why do they come to you for judgment when they have the Torah in which Allah's judgment is in? Yet still they turn away." Here's another one. Chapter 5:68. Say, "Oh people of the book, you have nothing to stand on unless you stand on the Torah and the Gospel and what has been revealed to you from your Lord." Here's another one.
Hold on. Let me address one second. Cuz I'm showing you something.
Please. One second.
Go ahead.
Hold on. We got to get all those verses out, man. I got to protect Allah today. And I will do it like my life depends on it. Okay. So, we got that one. 568 543. Watch this. 241. The Quran says that it came down confirming that which is with you. Why in the world would the Quran be confirming something that's totally not the Torah?
It's totally not the Torah, but the Quran is confirming it. This is silliness in Islam. So, I just gave you verses that say that the Torah they have is revelation from God. It's Allah's Torah that he gave to them and the Quran is confirming it. Can you give me anything that says in your Quran or your hadith that the Torah they have is not Allah's Torah?
No worries. I can respond to that. The verse he brought, by the way, which fries you because we agreed earlier in the debate, you conceded we don't take the Quran in isolation. Perfect. Now he brought, "Oh people of the book, you have nothing to stand upon except that you rule with the Torah and the Injil and that which your Lord has revealed to you. That which your Lord has revealed to you now is the Quran." So again, the belief of the Torah and Injil is presupposed upon the belief in the Quran that which your Lord has revealed to you. So the Quran.
I didn't cut you. I didn't cut you over.
But you're not answering my question.
Yeah. Chapter 3 verse 3 and 4 prove it because it says we confirm that the Torah and the and the next verse says and it's a and aan over them.
Whoa. Confirming.
Where does it say it's aan over them in chapter 3? It doesn't says.
He just said he just said in chapter 3. Now remember we still have a hovering question that he has to give us, right? But I'mma let this slide for a second. Show me where in chapter 3 and 4 it says that the Quran is a foran over the Torah gospel.
Okay, no issue. It says that we sent down to you the Quran right in truth confirming that which is within their hands.
Wait, wait, wait. What is what?
Yeah, within their hands. Let me finish.
Amazing. And then we send down the and look it makes a distinction between that which is within our hands and the toran. Now the next W waiting let me.
Wait, how big.
It just said that he revealed the book that came before it.
Confirming. Hold on. Let's slowly confirming that which came before it. What is that?
Yes. That which came before it be a day in their hands referring to general revelation.
What is that?
What they claim to be the total?
Yes.
Can I finish? Anyway.
Does do they claim it's the Torah?
Yeah.
Or does Allah claim is the Torah in the?
We know Allah doesn't claim what they have in their hands as a Torah in the gospel because he says and I sent down. So he makes a distinction between what is in their hands and the Torah gospel.
Okay, perfect. What is in their hands? Is Allah making a distinction between what he sent out?
It's an emphasis.
No.
It's not a distinction.
Which of our scholars give an ex Jesus or is that your own reading?
Okay, show is your own reading. Can you show me a reading? Just one second. My reading has comprehension. My question is, can you give me what scholar says that what what is revealed uh um what's between their hands and the Torah gospel are two different things?
No, sure. I'll get to that now. Next. Don't worry. I'll show you the scholar cuz I need to read the next verse to show you that it's referring to that before.
Wait, wait, wait, wait. Watch this guys. Yes.
It just said cuz three and four is a continuation, right? So, he says, "And he revealed the Torah and Gospel before," right? But he just said that the Quran came confirming WHAT WAS BEFORE IT, RIGHT? AND the Torah and that came before.
Yes, they both come before, but it's making a distinction between there's the Torah that came before and then there's these mystery books that came before and then he says and then he says this is a guidance and we sent down the criterion here according to.
Wait, wait, wait, wait. He sent down the criterion.
And he sent down the judgment between right and wrong. What is it? This Quran.
But hold on. I'm I'm confused.
Yes.
There's two things.
You're confused. Go.
Number one.
What's your confusion?
I'm about to tell you.
What is your confusion?
You told me that this verse says that the Quran is alone over the Torah and the Gospel, the previous scriptures. Judgement. What did it say?
No. No. Don't read the parenthesis.
No. Cuz what is that based on the words of the prophet?
Wait, hold on.
Where does it say it's aan over the previous?
I didn't by the way I didn't verbate. I said this verse proves it to.
Now, now you say.
If you pay the tips back, I said this verse proves it. I didn't say it.
You said it says it.
You said it says it. You said it says it.
No, the one I said says it is a and a over the previous verse. And this verse I said it proves that next Dexter you Dexter you mentioned 548 earlier you also mentioned three verse three and four you said you said it says it's Madakin and Alfrean over the previous scripture.
No, I said it proves it's a confirmation and proves proves.
I'm sorry. WE'RE GOING TO REWIND IT.
Rewind it.
We're going to do this. Don't worry.
All right. All right. That's the first thing. So don't say it though. Right.
Okay. So do we agree? So, do we agree that it doesn't say it's a furan over the previous scripture, right?
No issue.
Wait, it's an issue.
Do you agree that I don't say no issue to your question? I understand your question.
Okay. Yes, you agree.
Yeah. According to the full context, the hadith, the reason of revelation, the verse.
I don't take the Quran in isolation.
Listen to the question.
I'm not trying to make you I'm just trying to make you believe the Quran.
Do do you agree?
Believe in the Quran is defined by the Sunnah and the understanding of.
And the scholars, right? And so according to the verse does the verse say?
Yeah, according to the context of the verse and where it was revealed. Yes.
Okay. So did you guys hear it? He he said it again.
You can do in isolation.
He just said yes. It says that the Quran is out for.
I'm not trying to make you say you're not trying to make me think in isolation. I'm responding to you very clearly. The reason this verse was revealed, those who understood this verse and the verse itself all come together and agree that yes, here it is a distinguishment between that which is right and wrong within the Torah.
Okay. Does it say that?
According to every the context, the verse and the understanding of the companion.
So it doesn't say that. But he's saying this is the understanding. Okay, cool.
It says that according to the context it says it.
Wait, according to the context?
Yes. No. Yes. No. No, yes.
I'm not saying no or yes to anything. I'm saying that again the Quranic verse is understood with its reason of revelation, the companions and their ex exesus and how it's acted upon. All three of those agree that this verse means it is a distinguishment between that which is right in the Torah and that which is wrong in the which is right in I disagree with that. However, let me go ahead. I don't care about what basis can I tell you. I'm about to tell you I'm about to show you how all of this man is not everything we're going over is trash, right? And and by the way, uh and I don't mean that disrespectfully. I mean like it's just it it don't make sense. Um and now remember.
Sunday.
All right. Remember there's still the hovering question. I ain't forgot. I haven't forgot it. But this is just too fun right now. Okay. So it doesn't say it, but this is the understanding. All right. Now, here's my question.
Yeah. That's not what I said. Still man, what I said?
I said both the reason of revelation, the Quran verse taken with the understanding of the companions who acted upon it. Yes, we can make the argument it does say that.
But when you isolate the Quran and hook reading, you're making the argument that it just teaches that it doesn't say that, right?
I'm making an argument that again the reason the reason of revelation.
My question is simple. I don't care about the reason. I don't care about why.
You don't care about the Islamic. This is a Quranic dilemma. By the way, I And you show your hypocrisy. You label it the Islamic dilemma. You have to only appeal to the Quran.
I care about what the verse says.
And the verse according to the same Quran in chapter 900 says a different verse. Follow a different verse.
Follow the companions and those who follow them inan goodness.
Does the verse say?
I'm going to appeal to the companions and the reason of revelation.
You can. So just say that. Don't say I'm saying this. I just let you speak for the reason I just let you and the companions all agree that I just let you speak.
Yes. Sure.
So you've been saying that you're getting this from your understanding of the scholars. I have no scholars. I didn't use the word scholars once. Don't you say?
Yeah. Are these your scholars?
Sal, not the companions. Not the companions. They're not scholars.
They're companions. If you're going to continue to be this dishonest and like silly with us.
Who am I quoting? I can't. IS HE ONE OF YOUR SCHOLARS?
He's a companion.
Is he one of your scholars?
No, he's a companion.
ABAS IS NOT A SCHOLAR. NOW.
WAIT.
If you're referring to the Islamic sense, we make a distinction.
Innocence again.
Innocence.
A scholar. A scholar is going to be those who come after the companions who follow them in goodness. And the understanding of this is from the hadith of the prophet where he mentions the generation after my companions. Why does he distinguish?
The verse, the verse says obey Allah, obey the messenger. And what else?
Those in authority. Those are those in authority. Are they the scholars? Are they scholars in Islam?
That's referring to the the leader of the country. Yeah. And would they be a scholar?
The leader of the COUNTRY IS NOT MEANT TO BE A SCHOLAR. YOU KNOW.
SO SO the so the caiffs are not scholars in Islam. Is that right?
The caiffs their main role is not to be a scholar.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I ASKED.
NO, I I DIDN'T ASK WHAT THEIR main.
Linguistically you can argue, but not Islamic.
Okay. All right.
Linguistically, sure.
Linguistics. We can replace semantics.
I got you. So semantics all you want.
All right. Now, here's my next question. Okay. Cuz you said that the alpha here is the Quran. Yes. According to. Does the Quran verse, now I'm going to ask you a very straightforward question. If you do not answer, the question I'm asking you straightforwardly, this is the end of the conversation.
Does the verse say that the Alfred Khan is the Quran in verse 4?
With its context? Yes.
All right.
With its context. Run.
Go on. Run. Go.
So, ladies and gentlemen, it's a Quranic dilemma. You and I, please show yourselves.
I got you. So, no hard feelings. No, our feelings. I don't hate the brother at all. But at this point in the juncture in the conversation, we can't continue with this, man. Because there's going to be people turning this off because, bro, you're being dishonest.
I said we're context.
You're too dishonest.
So guys, I I hope y'all love the conversation. Hit the like button, comment, subscribe, and love. Make sure Hey, follow follow Dexter on Tik Tok. Ask him what the football follow Abu Dexter. You can come instead of running like your boy dog logic.
Now you got me a dog. That's crazy.
Yeah. On I know your name.
Now. So now we gave him this man a platform. We gave him on the camera name.
All respect weirdo.
All respect. Not as in you're literally a dog.
No banter.
No. You never been bred?
No.
If you call your friend a What does mean?
We don't do that. We don't do that. We don't do that. It's God. It's God.