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I see. It was initially because I thought I'd start a business in an industry where people from Todai (University of Tokyo) don't enter. The idea of going into the gray area, is that how people are these days? Yes. That's right. Basically, I've walked a relatively normal path as an unconventional consultant, and I thought I should just continue on a clean path. Why is it that the gray, suspicious ones, where the first thought is just to make money? And then you get angry, or something. No, but making money might be closer. I, for one, have saved 300 million yen by the age of 32, and am in a state of passive income. Today's theme is raising children and FIRE. Yes, I want to FIRE. I want to FIRE, and then raise children while FIRE-ing. I'm also thinking of starting my own business again after that. That was a big factor. How is it? Being FIRE-d, old man. Indeed. Ah, but I didn't have 300 million yen. Around 200 million yen, and it was like, "well, well, well." Yes. Yes. Yes. That was good. 200 million yen seems to be enough. Ah, so I think it depends on the amount you spend. Indeed. I basically cook for myself. Indeed. That's not a luxurious meal, is it? Yes. Eggs are a luxury meal. No, not at all. So, that 300 million yen, specifically, how much yield per month are you aiming for? That's the logic. 4% or so. 4% or so. Yes. Yes. But if you're raising children, I see. I guess that much is necessary. You raised children? Then your husband doesn't have to work either. Yes. I was starting to think I might not be able to get married. At worst, I'll raise them alone. I see. I can raise them. Why can't you get married? I can, can't I? Can you really not? Why? Why do you hate them? It's your first meeting, right? What's wrong? You can't, can you? Why? Why? What did I do to be looked down upon so much? You're already being kept, though. No, it's not being kept. Being kept. No, I haven't entered society either. You're just saying all sorts of plausible things. I'm also part of the masses, and I've been taught by them, so I think everyone is detached. I'm part of the masses, so I only have half of it. Ah, but isn't it easier to make money by not walking in the gray areas? That way of thinking, don't people these days have it? No, but Tamago-san, excuse me, but it's public. Yes. It is. I'm 26 recently. I'm 28 now, and, well, even if I go the traditional, white-collar, clean route, I wonder if I can win that big. That might be the case. Yes. After all, even if you're doing consulting, with prices being high, can you really earn that much? I've always won big on the white path. Who's saying that? Who's saying that? I've always flown the bright path. My friends have fallen. So, what is it? I'm rambling on this show, but it's about the nightlife industry. This program, in the context of underground subculture, has been pushed to the fringes without us realizing it. There must be something to learn even in such niche industries. Therefore, this program takes up industries that mainstream media doesn't cover, and aims to find economic insights and business hints from all sorts of niche industries. Yay. It's like a casual chat show. But well, the current conversation is slightly related, so it's becoming my life story. Yes. As expected. Ah. So, in that sense, I went to Waseda. I went to an unconventional consulting firm. I'm amazed that you've already given up on simply getting a normal job, working at a listed company, saving money through salary, and so on. Yes. It's sad. If it were a target university, I wouldn't know. Maybe they got lucky. To say it by name. Well, but for me, Tamago-san, Tamago-san, are you saying Tagotyan? Tagotyan, like Oden. I'd rather you become a researcher and support Japan by promoting women's success. Yes. You're not really interested in that, are you? If you're really smart and can do that, I think that's fine. I'm not particularly smart. Yes. I'm not really smart. Okay, I'm sorry for creating a conflict. It's a joke. Why did you decide you weren't smart? But I was lectured a lot in consulting. No, no, really. There are many smart people in consulting. I also saw the strength of large corporations. Yes. I saw large corporations eating up ventures with their capital, so I wanted to avoid industries where large corporations, especially consultants, enter. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Ah, I see. So, as you get older, you see more people who are smart but not successful, and people who are not smart but successful. Yes. It's quite common in my generation. Yes. Yes. So, I feel like you're deciding a bit too early. Yes. Yes. Well, well, it's not bad. I've also given up on the profession of being a doctor and am now active solely on YouTube. Yes. Indeed. Indeed. You're not planning to be a doctor anymore, are you? No, I really am. You won't do internships, right? I will. I will. I don't think I can get into any place now, doing this. Right? I'm told that I'll be called in the middle of the night for house calls, and you don't want to do that, do you? In rural areas. I don't think I can, so I'm applying to hospitals in places like Gifu and Aomori that are as remote as possible. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Hospitals that are short-staffed and say, "Please come, even if you're doing YouTube." I'm going to those hospitals. It's like a remote island doctor. Ah, yes, yes, yes, yes. You'll probably be harassed a lot if someone like me comes to a remote island. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I'll be teased. It's a matter of life and death, you know. Then I'll do it seriously. That's fine. Like I was broadcasting. No, that's fine. I'll do it properly when I do it. I'll start surgery now. No, no, they'll be worried. Like, this guy. I won't. It's fine. Yes. A doctor who was called to a remote village in Akita was bullied and driven out. Well, that's just a coincidence. Please stop. We'll get along. We can. Yes. If someone says something mean, like "Who are you, from Tokyo?" I'll get through it by saying, "Who are you, and what are you talking about?" I'll properly make fun of them. Yes, yes. It's not like I'm being bullied. So, I try to pick up comments from the top of the list. Yes. I've never been to a cabaret club or a lounge, so it would be good training for my speaking skills. Uh, what is it? Well, I think it would be very difficult for someone with social anxiety. The lesson fee is very high. You know, in a cabaret club, they listen to you because you pay, so they'll listen to whatever you say. So, thinking that it will be training for your speaking skills is a mistake. That's harsh. I guess so. Don't worry. Because if you don't give them money, they won't listen, will they? They won't listen to an old man's stories. But there are many people who don't have opportunities to talk to young girls. Besides cabaret clubs. Yes. Yes. Well, yes. To the point where you won't get nervous. No, so if you don't have opportunities to talk to young women in real life, then you don't have to talk to them, do you? Talk. From the beginning. Not necessary. Not necessary. Let's talk to old men. Is this going to be the main topic? Did a woman go to a cabaret club? What should you do to earn money easily? Yes. Yes. By the way, do you have the awareness of earning money easily? I do. I have it a lot. Oh. So, I guess that's why I was called here. I'm right in the middle of the underground. Representative. But still, the competition is fierce, and it's tough, isn't it? It is, but if you combine it with social media, it's quite easy now, or rather, I'm now serving only my direct appointments. Yes. That's not the effort that people used to put in, like salarymen working hard to serve customers and get appointments. Yes. Ah. So, you gather customers on social media, tell them to come from such and such a day, and they make appointments in order, and then you finish your rounds and go home. Go home. So, I'm quite active on Twitter, so I have offline meetings with people who come from Twitter, and I charge 25,000 yen per hour. You can meet me for about 500 yen. Nice. Ah, so it's a 1/50 win. Is that so? Wow, really? That's nice. If I were a host, I think many female fans would come. I'll do it. I'll do it right away. Really? So, you don't even have to try to bring in walk-in customers to the store, and each cabaret club automatically gathers customers online, they spend money, and you split it by a certain percentage? Yes. That's the trend recently. Ah, so cabaret clubs have become easier too. Yes. Yes. Thanks to social media, sales are this high now. So, it's quite a win-win. Yes. I see. Yes. So, at Rojin Index, we are waiting for your comments. Newspicks premium members can use live comments, and those watching on YouTube can use Super Chat. We accept from 3,000 yen. The system is a bit expensive, isn't it? Is it okay? You know, Newspicks is trying to increase its members, so it's good to promote Super Chat on YouTube even though there are live comments. I don't know. What percentage will come to us? Anything you're curious about, want to comment on, anything is okay. It's free. Yes. Super Chat will be read, so please feel free to send it. Thank you, Chotani-san, Saito Kohei, Hiroyuki Ko. They are interesting. What were your impressions of meeting the two of them? First, from Penji-san. No, I've met Hiroyuki-san before. Do you remember me? No, you said you've met me. You said you've met me. You don't remember me, do you? Absolutely not. I thought so. When? Uh, when I went to Kanko-san's house. You don't remember, do you? Yes. I probably don't remember. But, well, who did I meet? Yes, there were three of us. Then definitely. There were three of us. I was having dinner with a veteran, and Hiroyuki-san joined us late. At that time, I said I was joining from the undergraduate department of Todai, and you said, "You don't need to graduate." You said, "You don't need to graduate." I don't remember that. It was within the last year, right? So, joining. It was about a year and a half or two years ago, it's been a while. Yes. Yes. So. Yes. Teacher, you're a teacher, after all. Yes. Well, I am. Yes. It's the first time I'm meeting him, but he's a cheerful person. I thought he'd be difficult and angry, like a leftist, but he's very kind. Yes. We can chat casually today. Are many Todai leftist professors angry? No, no, no, no. Stop badmouthing Hiroyuki Honda. Please stop naming names. It's not funny at all. Don't cut this out. Scary. Well, it's a joke. It's a joke. So, Tagotyan, you participated, and this incomprehensible group. No, I thought I was really in an away game, so I thought everyone was going easy on me. Going easy. It's not like that. I'm always being attacked, even on Twitter. Is that so? Yes. So, you can say even worse things, and it's fine. Understood. Leave it to me. Honestly, I've never even thought of becoming a cabaret girl. Do your parents not object? They don't care, do they? No, my parents strongly objected. I didn't tell them. I did it without telling them, and then my parents found out through CNS, and it was almost like I was going to the police. What do you mean? Like an attack. Yes. But I didn't quit. I didn't quit. I think that's a bit strange. I'm not a typical, good student, you know. We've done a lot of opening talk, but we have the first corner. It's Rojin News Flash. Please take a look. Yes. I see. Yes. Hiroyuki Ko's X earnings were $7,000 in two weeks. No, $4,000, $6,000. So, $7,000 in one or two weeks. And before that, it was $2,000. And I posted it as news that the unit price suddenly doubled. Huh? Yes. Yes. The number of weeks is almost the same. Yes. It's the same, but it went from $2,000 to $4,000. What happened? What happened? I thought, "This is 1 million yen a month!" And they said, "That's the absolute amount." I think the topic of the absolute amount is more important. Why did the unit price on X suddenly double? That's what I think is important. Elon Musk went public, and fundamentally, I see ads on X and click on them. The price doubled. But the unit price is rising. It's strange. It's like the unit price went up because SpaceX went up. There's no need to raise it. And if competitors were raising their prices to attract people, I could understand that. But you're not going to Blue Sky or Threads, are you? So, there's no reason for the unit price to go up, yet it's going up, so I have to do X. What is happening? That's what I want to know. And when I looked into it, it went in a completely different direction. That is, an irrational decision was made within X. Huh? Are you all generating revenue on X? Just a little. How much? Tamago-san, about 20,000 yen per month. About 20,000 yen. Oh, last month. Yes. Yes. Saito-san. For me, it's about 230,000 yen in two weeks, so about 450,000 yen per month. My smartphone was bugged, and it used to go in until about two years ago. When I pressed the revenue button, it said "loading" and was bugged. I haven't received it for two years. If I could get 1 million yen a month, I should probably inquire properly. Yes. It's really another dimension. Yes. But there are quite a few people at my level. Yes. That is, it's not about doing a lot as an influencer, but it's converted by PV, so if you write a lot, it goes up. Yes. So, the structure is that those who write a huge amount have high sales. So, I want to know the algorithm. So, if anyone knows why the unit price on X has gone up, please tell me in the comments. Yes. Also, someone please tell me how to apply. And please tell someone at X. I don't know how to do it. My computer. SPSX went up with a bang and then went down a bit. Yes. Yes. It feels like the bull market is over. Yes. Is that so? Actually, the Earth's resources are limited, so there's conflict. When you think about it that way, isn't Elon Musk's idea of going to Mars correct? But on the other hand, it feels like it's consuming Earth's resources a lot. There are more pressing issues to address, and yet, Yes. Yes. Yes. Going to space. Yes. Yes. But I think there's a necessary cost to bring them back. If we could bring them back from Mars in large quantities, wouldn't it be possible to avoid resource conflicts? But my hypothesis is that Elon doesn't really want to go to Mars. I see. Rather, he's developing technology for survival on Earth in the future, when Earth becomes like Mars due to climate change or nuclear war. Yes. In other words, when it becomes like Mad Max, they'll have their own kind of paradise. They're practicing on Mars. It's like training. Yes, yes. Like camping in Mexico. Yes, yes. Bill Gates is also doing that. Bill Gates is also doing that. And yes, Bill Gates is currently the largest farm owner in America. So, even though his business is digital, Yes. Things like agriculture can't be created by AI, so he's completely controlling them. Ah, so among the super-rich, they're doing things like that, like Tamago-san's story earlier. Are consultants being replaced by AI? Cabaret girls are not being replaced by AI. Conversely, things that AI cannot create, like water, land, and food, are what they are controlling. So, they believe in a worldview where AI will eventually surpass humanity, and they're investing in things that won't be taken by AI now. Yes. There's no reason not to believe it. Oh, is that so? You're on that side. Hiroyuki-san has no humanism. No, no, not humanism. Theoretically, if you keep investing, and the processing power of semiconductors increases and the computation increases, it will eventually surpass humans. Yes. Well, that's true. If it keeps going up, humans will eventually be surpassed. I think the timing is just a prediction. I think it's certain that it will be surpassed. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I, well, I also do my own thing besides YouTube, so. Ah, you're being taken over by AI. No, really, is it coming? But I heard news that America is not releasing the latest versions to the public. Yes. Yes. Yes. It was. So, does that mean it will really surpass us? Like, it's starting to surpass us, so maybe we should limit it a bit? Well, in terms of coding, it has already surpassed us. Especially specialized ones. Ah, it's over. Yes. So, a company called Anthropic, like OpenAI's ChatGPT, is a general-purpose artificial intelligence, and it's convenient to get answers in chat, right? But people don't pay for it. They use it for free. And Anthropic, a company that mainly uses it for writing programs, is making money because programmers pay for it. So, the coding ability has become abnormally high, and as a result, ordinary engineers are like, I see. The engineer who has been working at Microsoft for 40 years found fewer bugs than Microsoft found in 3 days. Huh. It's already surpassed humans. It's surpassing humans. It's surpassing humans. For example, AI is surpassing us. And there's an OS called NTBSD, which is used in routers and is considered to have high security. Its source code is also published online. And it can find huge bugs that haven't been found for 15 years in a single day. It's over. So, basically, if you specialize in a particular ability, you can't win. I see. But this happened with chess about 15 years ago, didn't it? Yes. After all, when computers decided to focus only on chess, they won against humans. So, if you set a target, you can't win anymore. Yes. So, is that the end of the cabaret news? We haven't talked about Manjiro yet. Let's talk about Manjiro. Manjiro's unlicensed sales. Tokyo Metropolitan Government strengthens supervision on X. Yes. So, this is the kind thing about Japan. Instead of just arresting them for supervision on X, I think they should arrest them. Yes. If they don't make an example of one person, you know. Yes. And conversely, if they can't arrest them, doesn't that mean it's okay to do it? I feel like the law is gray, isn't it? What is it? I think the law is bad. A doctor has a diagnosis, so they have a doctor's license. So, it's difficult for a Tokyo Metropolitan Government official to say to a doctor, "Your judgment is wrong." Yes. But there are clearly fake doctors, so they should consider revoking their licenses and imposing strict penalties. Yes. So, I think places that operate like they do with the number of mansions, having online conversations, and so on, should be regulated. I actually think online consultations should be expanded. But this is reflected, isn't it? It's difficult, but is it popular? Yes. Yes. It was very popular in cabaret clubs about a year to six months ago. But as the girls started to not be able to drink alcohol and their physical condition became bad, everyone started to stop using it. At that time, it became a huge炎上 on X. I see. It's already over underground. Is it over? It's underground. It's underground. When it came to the surface. Yes. I don't think it's over, but if you're not careful, you can get really sick. It affects your mental health too. Ah, yes. I also heard that it can make you depressed. Also, because your calorie intake is extremely reduced, your muscles can melt away. As a result, when you stop taking it, your basal metabolism decreases, making you more prone to gaining weight. Yes. Huh. I see. So, the system is that a doctor regularly checks and diagnoses, and then gives you a month's supply. But with online, you don't know, and you get it from various places, so you don't know. So, you can buy as many as you want and sell them to friends in the black market to make money. Yes. It's become a truly terrifying country. Looking at this news list, I feel like, "What will happen to this country?" But that's why we want to earn money easily, so that's today's theme. Please. Great setup. Great setup. I want to earn money easily. I want money even while I sleep. There's no business that makes this much money. I'll earn a lot. The dream of all humanity: passive income. The bubble era, fueled by the myth of land ownership, eventually led to reselling. Affiliate marketing, information products. The culture of passive income has evolved with the times and is more widespread than ever before. A 0.5 tatami mat empty space becomes a selling space. A single light pole standing on three wheels. Earning money while you sleep. AI creates videos, algorithms gather views. Tonight, we focus on passive income, which fulfills the desire to earn easily and earn even while sleeping. We will dissect its true nature from a unique perspective by management scholar Mitsunori Takahashi. Freedom from labor, loopholes in capitalism, unraveling the present of passive income. It's good. It was cool. Thank you. You worked hard to make it. It felt like it was made by AI. Like an old robot making noises. So, here is Mr. Takahashi, a scholar knowledgeable about the passive income world. Thank you for joining us. Thank you. Being knowledgeable about the passive income world isn't much of a compliment. Amazing. He researches a wide range of fields, from serious venture companies to matchmaking and the illegal market. He's recently been called a "beast of academia" and a "dangerous scholar." But as a university professor, Hiroyuki Takahashi is apparently the least popular management scholar in Japan. Tamago-san, what do you think? That's incredibly rude. I told you from the beginning to feel free to tease me. I think there are scholars who are even less popular. The numerical results are there. Do you go to cabaret clubs? I've never been. You've never been? As a management scholar? Uh, yes. I might go. There are those who go and those who don't. I am one who doesn't. But as a way of understanding society, you should know. Ah, when I first started working at Okinawa University, a professor who went there took me. Yes. Let's go together. Pay 25,000 yen for Tamago's shop. Make sure you get angry. Uh, wouldn't you earn more that way? No, no, no, no. He's that kind of professor. Yes. Yes. By the way, there are quite a few people of this type in cabaret clubs, right? Yes, there are quite a few. People who come in with a simple appearance, like their clothing. They fit in the best. Wait a minute. Can you rank them by who's most likely to be in a cabaret club? I get it. I get it. Simply dressed like an old man. Well, in terms of appearance, fashion, etc., they fit in the best. A jacket, right? Yes. If you say so, I'm wearing a jacket. Ah, is that so? Oh no. Excuse me. Excuse me. Tamago, you're in a place like a cabaret club, being pampered by old men and rambling on. You think you can get away with anything. Wearing that green outfit, Tamago, it's not that easy. Let's compete on YouTube. Green doesn't matter. Blue-green. Well, I'm least likely to go. Ah, thank you. Yes. By the way, why are you least likely to go? Because I'm young. Well, being young is one thing, but I don't seem to be putting myself on the line. If you're too casual, you won't come. Ah, I see. People who wear a lot of brands tend to come. Ah, the show-off type. Indeed. They look like show-offs. Ah, yes. A jacket with pink sleeves showing. You're trying to be stylish. Stylish. No, no, being stylish is a good thing. Appearing. Who is poor? Yes. Speaking of passive income, Hiroyuki-san. How is it? My old assets are increasing on their own, and they grow with annual interest. So, I don't spend as much as they grow annually. Yes. So, the structure is that they continue to increase. Well, that's the FIRE state now, isn't it? It's been like that for a long time, but about 10 years ago, I moved to Europe and converted almost all my yen assets into foreign currency. At that time, it was about 120 yen to 1 euro, and now it's around 180 yen to 1 euro. So, it's 1.5 times. So, without doing anything, it increases by 60%. I see. Todai, Todai, you're in the medical department, right? Yes. Yes. And just by mentioning your name, you've already gathered attention on social media. And then what else? Yes. Yes. By adding value on top of that, you're differentiating yourself. You're differentiating yourself. And I'm amazed that you're working to solidify that. But isn't that something you should recover by earning money through your profession after graduating from Todai? The preparation itself can be solidified. Isn't that bad for society? Please stop. I'm earning money on YouTube just by my title. If everyone who goes to Todai becomes a YouTuber, wouldn't that be bad? You might be crushing your potential by earning small change now. Small change. You two old men are crushing it. We publish videos edited by staff every week. You might have saved tens of thousands of lives by becoming a doctor and solving a disease. This video is completely irrelevant. Extending your lifespan is important, but laughing a lot within your fixed lifespan is also important. I'm worried about you, old man. Are old men going to cabaret clubs? But when that environment is available, can that person really resist that desire? You're being called someone who can't resist. But I think that's just a natural human desire to seek profit. So, now that Professor Takahashi has indexed the passive income world for us, can we present it? Yes. Yes. I suddenly made it all at once because I was asked. There may be points to criticize, but the difference between rent and profit. Yes. As Professor Saito just said, if you own stocks or land and receive rent, that's the original passive income. And, and then there's profit, which is from trading, and the difference obtained from it. Rather, the left side is easy to understand, like land, and the right side is IT or finance, which you often see. So, it means that touching a computer is on the right side. Yes. So, if you look at it that way, the "rights-based" at the very top, the purple one, is a relatively classical one. Yes, yes. Yes. And, and we're particularly interested in the blue one, which is relatively close to rent, which is trading, or rather, investment. Whether it's art or whiskey, you need a certain amount of knowledge. And this also requires high skills. And the characteristic of today is that it's increasingly becoming low-skill and gathering in the center. And among those, there are two types: the "space utilization type" and the "platform type." The platform type is exactly what we were talking about, Tamago-san and Betenji-san. And I think that's what we should aim for. How to bring it closer to rent. Currently, it's transactional. And in the "space utilization type," one characteristic is that the base amount of rent is gradually decreasing. Why is it decreasing? Because, for example, when you put up advertisements or billboards, in the past, advertising to the mass media on TV was common, but now with online advertising, you target specific people, right? It's the same. If you have a certain space, you can use it in small ways. A representative example is a building billboard. Ah, so instead of showing it to 100 million people nationwide watching TV, you want to show it only to old men riding taxis. Yes, that's right. So, it's like that. It might also be said that advertising agencies are no longer just Dentsu. In other words, there are now more companies that create rent as a service, so people who have a little bit of assets, people who use a little bit of space, or people with a small idea can earn a rent-like income. So, as I wrote in my book, there was an old man I met who matches building billboard advertisements. He works only three days a week and earns 20 million yen just by designing and issuing orders. The red "system hacking type" on the upper right is a bit of a gray area. Is it legal? It's a high-risk investment. In a way, it's an investment. And I have a lot to say about Manjiro's case, but it would take too long, so I'll just say it. It's gray, but I do it within the legal framework. Manjiro, for example. And when you do that, there's no competition in the market, so you can monopolize it. And it sells at a very high price. In other words, it's a system hacking type that allows you to build assets all at once. Yes. But people who don't aim to be company employees these days are basically in the profit-making type on the right side. The platform type. Yes. So, in Okinawa, there's a friend of mine who does military land. The US military bases originally occupied private land, so rent is generated. Rent comes in from the US military. It's guaranteed. But it's surprisingly cheap. For example, one island. In the past, it was 30,000 yen in the newspaper. I really want it. I really want it.