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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of the Apollo Show. I'm your host, Apollo, and I'm here with the king queen, Kiki Isabelle. How are you?
Hi, I'm good. How are you?
Oh, fantastic. I feel so good. I feel so relaxed.
Oh, I'm pretty exhausted after what we just did.
Yeah, absolutely. Same. Felt good. Felt good though. That was a really good one.
That was really good.
How you been? Like how's like what's been going on?
So much. So much. Always so busy. I was just backpacking for 3 months in Southeast Asia.
Yeah, I saw that. It looks really cool. How was it?
So much fun. It was hectic. It was pretty crazy to be fair, but it was nice being able to see the world and do it in such a like a backpacker way where you literally just got your life on your back and you can just go anywhere any day. Did you go through uh like all a bunch of countries like Vietnam, Lao, into Philippines?
Not all of them. I didn't do all of them sadly, but we spent um just over a month in Thailand, Cambodia, and then Vietnam.
Awesome.
But that was plenty.
Were you doing a lot of like uh collabs while you were traveling?
I got a couple of collabs. Not too many because it's quite illegal over there to do that kind of thing. So, yeah. I think there was a couple of girls in Thailand mainly. I couldn't find any Vietnamese even then.
I thought OAF was legal in Thailand. Am I wrong? Cuz I know I know it's illegal in Bali. I know it's it would be illegal in Philippines cuz they just banned all corn.
Um so yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, I still think it's very illegal in Thailand to the point of people we were getting told that people were literally getting arrested in Paya. I think that's what it was called. As we were there, basically there's a guy who does particular over there in a tuk tuk tuk tuk guy and he literally just got arrested.
Like I wonder what that means for them. Is that like everything else over there where they're like 15 years in the in the you know maximum security prison had to pay a very large fee which is scary. We were over there and we're like I don't know like what do we do? That's a slap on the wrist. Over in over in Thailand, like you do not around with their laws and like you know there are stories of people who've been found with like one joint or like something that's like to us fairly trivial recreational lowrisk kind of stuff over there. They're literally like you're going to have to go on trial to get you you're there. We have to either firing squad or like 10 to 20 years in prison for something like that.
Yeah. So, we had to be a bit careful. We only started like promoting content as we left the country.
Of course. Of course. I think that's smart.
Yeah. I probably like now that I think about it, I was like, "Oh, it'd be sick to go over there and like, you know, meet someone for like or people for a cheap holiday, do like a collab thing, but like wouldn't be worth it."
Too risky. I've done that in Bali though before. I've done that in Bali.
I've seen a lot of girls do photo shoot collabs, but I'm not sure if they're doing there.
Yeah. quite purposefully and rightfully so because that would freak me out.
Yeah.
Yeah. I actually like last like um allegedly hypothetically I um I was doing like some solo stuff uh in a country that I was in that I only realized like after I left that like it was totally legal. And I was like well if I in this time even unknowingly ignorantly went through security and for some reason they had to look through my phone in that instance they would have not really good stuff in the airport.
I don't know how anyone gets away with my videos on my phone. How do you get into certain countries? Like I don't know how it works, but I'm going to have to figure that out if I'm going to America.
Well, yeah. I'm pretty sure like in those kind of circumstances, I think it t you have to very specifically be taken through. Like I'm I'm sure they have to be suspicious and then take you into a back room and then they question you. And at that point, I think by by the point they they try and interview you about what do you do? What are you doing here? By the time you're at that point in a back room, they've already got your devices and they're able to look through them.
So like that's the point where you're, you know, you don't want to get into. But like yeah, for the most part, I've Yeah, I I've never heard of anyone, you know, who hasn't been like sent back immediately. I've never heard of anyone just like getting their phone searched for no reason, but still it would be terrifying.
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So, anyway, yeah, over in like Southeast Asia, I probably want to avoid, but I actually want to do a Southeast Asia like recreational tour where I'm just going there specifically to get like PG content. Like I'm like Southeast Asia is a place that is cheap enough that you can go over with $3,000 in the hopes to do I could do well my plan is to do 14 days where I do something fun every day. You're like, "Okay, first day I'm Yeah. I'm going to go snorkeling at this reef and then go on a boat party. Then the next day I'm going to go cliff diving onto and then go to like a famous restaurant, you know, this that and the other." So, like you could do stuff every day that would cost you thousands here. So, you could be like, I'm going deep sea fishing. Cost me $100 to do the whole day, you know? Like, so I think that's like the way to experience it.
It's so cheap over there. I [ __ ] loved it. Like, just so cheap. Like, you can live off basically $5 bed each nights.
Um, if you stay in a lot of host, the social host, they might have free boat tours. Like, true. Like, it's so cheap over there.
Yeah. Yeah.
And you I was looking at your socials as you were kind of going and and you looked like it was a little bit quiet. Like you actually like at one point you were like, "Man, this is really feels like it's very slow."
I was expecting it to be such a big exciting lots of 20-year-old horny people in bunk beds all just rooting every night all all the time. Maybe shoot with a few people and stuff, but none of that.
Honestly, it was really sad. I don't know if it's like changed over the years cuz I've been told certain things by certain people and it just wasn't like that.
Is that because uh it was like did you go in off season or was that during on season?
I think it was on season. I went over Christmas and New Year's, right?
But I think everyone is just a little bit more reserved.
True. Okay.
Not enough.
Not enough. worldwide community of tourists gets I think people are like people who are traveling and doing host are a bit older now too. They're not like the young cuz no one can afford it. It's hard to travel.
Well, I thought somewhere like Southeast Asia would be the only place that's busy because of how cheap it is. Like I understand like now that I've been to America a few times, now that I've been to like Japan, other places that are definitely not third world, they are very expensive like and and with the Australian dollar not getting any better. Like to be honest, like I've been overseas far out like maybe five, six, seven, probably eight, maybe eight times in the since like 2015. And I don't think there's been any time in that time period that I've gone over to wherever and exchanged my money for anything in the ' 70s. Like it's either been I think 68 cents was the most per like compared to a USD and lately it's been like 62 to 64 cents. And I'm like, come on. I even I even like the joke of the world up to now has always been like how poor the Canadian dollar is compared to the USD. Guess what? I compared well no I compared Australia to Canada and they're higher than us pretty consistently. So like Australia is like I don't know what's going on with our dollar but me makes it makes traveling like virtually impossible if you have other responsibilities unless you're making like a huge amount of money.
Yeah. You know what I mean? That's a good thing about my job is that I can make money anywhere in the world and still travel and do that. So, at least, you know, we're making money online.
Well, yeah. As much. Exactly. Well, big time. Like I I never had a time up until very recently that I couldn't make that I could make money when I wasn't doing the hours at said workplace. So, like I was a personal trainer. If I wasn't there training you, I wasn't getting that $100. So end of the day now I can go overseas, get paid, can work from pretty much anywhere.
And like if you're someone who is organized, you can get like 30 videos in in one month if you wanted to and then set them all up to go and you got 30 weeks worth of content. So really, if you're organized, like you can have an insane work life balance.
Yeah. Yeah. That's good.
Yeah. Absolutely. So, so, so it's pretty quiet over there in Thail in all these places in terms of like wilds and partying.
Yeah, I was expecting to hear at least a few people in another dorm bed or something, but no, nothing. I think I had one fun night. One I had one Yeah. bit of a crazy night with some people in a dorm room, but
And that's pretty much it.
Yeah. Yeah. Not much otherwise. Yeah. Sad.
That's That's a shame.
Yeah.
You can make up for it now that you're back.
Yeah. Exactly. Now I get to do all the crazy stuff.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That was a good time today. I uh what I really liked about today is that you're into like a whole another level of trying to think of a way to safely say this of like getting like really destroyed, you know, like you really want it to be like not intimate.
No. Hard. Use me as an object.
Yep. Totally. Um just mess me around a bit.
Yeah. Totally. Totally. That's exactly what we did.
Yeah. I think that's your style too though, isn't it?
Absolutely. I I probably have like more mine's a style where it is really hard, but I it is also interlin with a lot of like um passionate intimacy. So like although like if people see my videos, they'll notice today I like turned that part right down. Um but on normally it would be like a lot of passionate kissing while I'm railing you. You know what I mean? So, and like a lot of eye contact and like some some like hair pulling into like neck kissing, whatever. So, these kind of things are kind of my style of like reeling it back in so it feels less objectifying and more connective, which I kind of like as well. It turns me on to know that like we're both kind of in the moment enjoying it. Yeah.
I think that style I kind of try to keep for personal life cuz that's when it's like really hard to differentiate like personal to filming which always needs to be a little bit different cuz you know you can't just put everything out on the line. Does that make sense?
Absolutely. I I probably have trouble with that because I just have sex normally how I would like on camera how I would normally at home.
Yes. Exactly. A lot of guys do that and that's where it might make some issues in your personal life or your personal life or if you start dating there'll be some issues there down the future. But obviously you're single.
I should I got to say I should mention this is something I just don't have to worry about. But I can definitely see how it would I definitely think that you know in a relationship you want to feel like there are some things that are sacred. Maybe there are some things that are just for you. So I get it.
Yeah.
Yeah. Fair enough.
Yeah. something I'll have to uh tackle down the line, but you know, who knows?
That's right. You'll get there one day.
Yeah. I'm just I'm I'm hard avoiding the um trying to trying to float a relationship right now.
Not worth it. Not worth the stress.
Not Well, right now while I'm like really enjoying what I'm doing, you're right. It's not worth the stress, but like one day it will be worth the stress, you know? So, just got to enjoy like I I believe in being like fully plugged in while you're in and then like being like fully unplugged and being like in that new space of like boundaries when the time comes. But for now, I'm just like nah.
Now you just find unless I find the one like it's it's going to be tough.
Yeah, that's it. I feel like they have to be even more perfect to for me to give up this life.
Oh, yeah. Because or not even give it up, but like to even Yeah. Well, you're competing against having sex with a lot of different beautiful women every day. Obviously falling in love, but I don't know.
I I do say to myself though, like whenever I question whether, you know, it's plausible for me to do this job maybe at the frequency that I do right now. And I think to myself, like a lot of these guys that do it full-time overseas are in fully committed relationships. I'm not sure what the status is of openness or whatever, but they work like three four days a week, different girls for companies and collabs and yeah, they they're all they all seem to be married or in long-term things. So, I don't know.
I honestly love that. I'm I'm honestly not an overly open person. I I'm sexually adventurous and I'm open to new things and experiences and stuff, but in the end of the day, if you're mine, like that's it. You're mine. But I also would love an industry relationship that is 100% equal 100%. You have to have good communication because I think that is the main thing.
So hard, dude.
Communication is the hardest thing, but it's the most important.
Do you know what it is? Well, this is the thing. Like you just get sick of having hard conversations.
Yeah. Like there is a point where I don't know like I don't know about you but I've had like times in the past you know at the end of the you know relationship or whatever where you just feel like you know these hard conversations are just beating you the down and you're right it's not worth it in like not even like not worth it but you just feel like I can't keep having these hard conversations but the thing is people in open relationships who you know from the outside didn't get a lot of people um you know and they're probably like you know these guys have it so lucky Like you would not believe the amount of like heavy communication and empathetic thinking and coddling of the mind um that you have to do and soul really of your partner to make that work in a way that isn't making them feel empty or whatever. Like it's just it's a lot more to juggle. Like this why I always thought like it was I always look at people who are in like who are like I have four four boyfriends and I'm like do you? And she's like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got four boyfriends. One's my main, three is my secondary." I'm like, "Well, do you have any other hobbies?"
Literally, so much time, energy.
That's the thing. Like, I don't know how like cuz I'm like, "All right, how does that how does that work?" Like, you have four like equal things and they're like, "Oh, no. Some people just I see every now and again." Like, so it's like a hookup buddy. It's like someone you just like I don't know. Like, do you have to call them your boyfriend? You know, can they not just be someone you hook up with like every other month? honestly just sounds way too complicated for me. I'm like a simple girl.
Ser like same. I'm like but I also think like how hard it is for me to um how hard it's been like forever to like balance a balanced and good relationship. Imagine doing that four times.
Imagine doing that four times while while doing what we're doing like that.
No, but it's hard. It's it's it's hard because it's so unnatural. But even like I talked to um Millie Morgan about this and she said that because I've always thought like maybe I'll have to enter into this not enter into but like find someone in the swinging community who's like you know into the certain things and so then they'll be more accepting. But then I was talking to Millie and she was like, "Yeah, I tried um dating people in the swinging community cuz I thought they would be more accepting." And like even they were like, "Oh, nah." So I think like doing like corn and having it out there public, that's a whole another thing. And she was like, "What the hell, man?"
It's a whole another industry. But you also why can't I do that and you be okay with that as well. So it has to be both sides obviously.
Agreed. It does and it's so hard.
Jealousy will always be a thing. Jealousy is always a major thing. I think dudes in particular maybe like I don't know I don't know what it is that makes dudes just so much harder to like let go and let go get that
it's that masculine energy it's it's not always toxic masculinity but a little bit sometimes gets toxic it is that don't worry guys I'm like I'm here with you it's your manly instinct to own a woman and to only want her for yourself but then also in the back of your mind you're like wait but I want to be able to do whatever I I find that in a lot of men.
Totally. I agree. And yeah, and I I I agree that it is um it is an unreasonable thing to to want to do and it is very unfair. And I've been there too. That's how that's how I kind of like started in the industry just because I was such a jealous person was is but like I think that is something that does need to be a more even pathway back and forth for it to be working long term like you can have well you can have like periods where there's like an adjustment period I guess.
Yeah. But like it'll always go around, but at the end of the day, you have to both be okay with a certain amount of stuff happening. Yeah.
But end of the day end of the day, there are a lot of girls I shouldn't say a lot. Like there are girls in industry who I know are married and who I know their partner doesn't really sleep with anyone else. Like I don't I'm pretty sure they don't sleep with anyone else. Not that they've not that they've let on. And they also are like, "Yeah, just just do things." So, and they do like four shoots a week. M. So, I mean, is it also a possibility that you just maybe if you're if you're a dude and you want someone who is like happy just to see you work and that's it and like you just have your own relationship. Great. I'm sure there is a cuck queen out there who would be interested in that. But you just have to find the people who want to who want to do that. Like I've worked with girls overseas where their husbands literally found me to work with the wife and then like afterwards I've I've already told this story online anyway. It was Sinatra Monroe.
Um I ended up doing like like we we ended up sleeping together off camera later that night and um with her husband on the phone.
Ah cuz he liked to be a cuck.
Cuz he liked to be a cuck cuck. Yeah. He was super into it. So for that relationship like he doesn't I'm pretty sure he doesn't sleep with anyone else.
I feel like that is probably the perfect and only relationship that really works in the industry. That's the only one that will actually work in this industry. If you have that [ __ ] that that [ __ ] energy like where you want to see your partnering succeed and get their brains out.
Well, hang on. It's not about not wanting you to succeed cuz I still come with the though. You have to have both.
Yeah. You can't just want to see the because Yeah. Okay. You can do that off camera, whatever. But you want them to get, do it well, film it, sell that video, and make a ton of money.
I think the You're right. The cuck energy needs to be there because they need the d a dude needs to like enjoy it. Well, both both need to enjoy it. And and to be honest, I know some girls um there's another girl who uh Texas Snacks who also like she just goes out. She she is a a professional hot wife, which basically like that she she's actually a farm girl. Like she's like insanely hot and only does like doesn't go to the gym, just like literally works hard yards on the farm all day. Like smoking hot. Anyway, so she like literally just goes meets creators, meets bulls from over all over America. Her husband like tracks them down usually points points them in their her direction and then off she goes. I mean like it's it's out there. So once again like I would love to like not to be like my girl can't blah blah blah but but for me I'm like it's just so much I feel like it's such a distraction like when I when I had those feelings they were all I could think about that I felt like I was just so like wrapped up in it all that I don't think that unless I really came to grips with like what those feelings are. I just think like right now I'm just like I'm not even interested in it cuz like once again you get to the point where you're just like I'm still remembering the hard conversations part where you're just like so over it. You know what I mean?
But I don't know like I think that like I I have so many of these like quality conversations with people now. I've got really good friends outside of industry. Like I'm not in a place where I'm like I need to find a girlfriend. I miss a girlfriend.
Too busy. You know what I do miss though that I don't get to experience doing what I do. So I have a lot of like great with beautiful women all the time. I have these great conversations where we're not even looking at our phone. We're looking each other in the eyes. It's very primally satisfying, fulfilling. But what I don't get much of at all is when like a girl sleeps over and then like in the morning she just like scoots her back onto you onto your hips and like she's like you know just basically saying I don't even need to look at you justing do it. You know what I mean? Like I miss that. I miss that like primal like you know that morning like you know that that just that yeah that energy pure energy where you just want to each other all the time but then in between like the cuddles and the intimacy too obviously the intimacy
honeymoon period is lit.
Yeah but that's it that's all it is isn't it and it will eventually die and turn into an old married couple that probably hate each other. I think two years is the good is a good max. Even if you're doing well just to shake handy applications for 2 year girlfriends
honestly. I think like two years you're just like look it's been good. I'm not renewing your contract.
That's it. See you next catch you.
Yeah.
Anyway, that's a good idea.
No, I probably I don't know.
Don't catch the long-term feels though.
Well, yeah, that's right. But, you know, I don't know. Like I um I feel like it's tough to be uh in that honeymoon period all the time. And I don't know, like it's it's really tough to be in like long-term, I guess, things while you've got all these like exciting things like happening around you. But, you know,
Yeah. But also, I want to I want a partner who I can go to at the end of every day and be like, "So, I just went and did this crazy video with Apollo, like tell them all the details."
All the girls overseas do that.
I love that. That's what I want. I want such a communicative relationship that that they're happy to talk about all of that,
mate. Absolutely. And I I think they're out there for you. Honestly, I think they're out there because I see it.
I don't know what the dudes are like cuz I think something about America, though. They're just built different over there.
Well, they're all they're all in.
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Yeah. such a close-knit thing.
It's such a daily daily thing over there.
Yeah. So, here it's like not surprising that there's not a lot of like huge creators who have like all these great relationships at home. We're all new. Like it's all novice. like since Only Fans just came out in like 2018 and it's 2025. So we're like at best 7 years deep at being, you know, the corn capital of Australia here in Gold Coast Brisbane. So, yeah, I mean maybe there's a bunch of us who have these like great relationships down the line, but man, we're all just like literally
Well, yeah. Like we're literally just learning how to like put one foot in front of the other, you know? Like I think it's uh it's extremely tough, especially if you've come from a very normal dating background to like be led into these kind of like I don't know these artificial emotion traps where like any other time if you saw your partner having with someone else in front of your eyes, you'd be like, "The worst thing ever." And then and then like but then at this point like your your brain's kind of triggered but your your intellect has to be like no no no come the it's like it is what it is. You know what I mean?
That's maybe the next generation of people. We're the first generation that we're making it norm.
Yeah. We're like the cavemen of the of this next ones they'll have it. They'll all be open cucks like poly like everything.
Well it's it's actually leading that way. I don't know. I don't know about you, but like I don't I don't know a lot of people who are succeeding in the dating who are just who are like currently single. Like there's a lot of people some people are like in long-term monogous relationships. But if you ask anyone who's been single for more than like 2 years what the dating pool is like here in Brisbane. They'll be like, "Dude, it is a mess."
And it is shallow. Like it's a shallow pool of the same people. And it's terrible. everyone.
I came from Adelaide. Adelaide's even smaller. We're all secretly related to each other.
Classic.
I can feel that. Yeah.
Classic. Yeah. So, I don't know. I'm glad I don't have to I'm glad I don't have the inkling to date. Like, I'm glad my hobby isn't going on Tinder dates two or three times a week cuz I tell you, not interested. Just not interested, man. Like, I have I think I get on there whenever I get real lonely. I might get on there once every 3, four months. No, maybe longer. 6 months. I'll just like download it for a night, start swiping, have a few like totally meaningless conversations back and forth small talk until one of us just doesn't reply again and then I'm like, "Yeah, I'm done."
Yep. That was good fun for the nights. Put it away.
Exactly. So, yeah. Dating apps. What a time like all the You know what's funny? All the oldies are probably like dating apps. If I was like 25 again, I had Tinder, I'd just clean up. I'm like, "Look, Gramps, it's not what it's cracked up to be." Like I had a mate of mine who's like he's like 60 65 now. He's used to be a client of mine. We catch up every now and again and he literally would say to me he's like man if I was younger it'd be it amazes me right now that you can just be like oh swipe. I'm going to bang you. Swipe. I'm going to bang you. I'm like that's not not really how it works.
Kind of is sometimes like on our end it is.
I was going to say for girls for us if I want to the first person swipe done like done deal easy. But yeah, absolutely. That is such a good perspective.
Easy to as a woman. I don't I don't want to sometimes I don't want to all the time, but I can if I want.
That's so true. Like every dude, like every dude on those dating apps, work for it. If you look at every girl at her likes, if you if we got me and you together with our phones next to each other on Tinder and we both just kept swiping right as a tick um until we got a match, I might have to do like 20 30 swipes to get a match. Maybe not you particularly, but a normal looking man.
Well, well, you know what's funny? Like I I know I am like not an ugly dude. And I think that because I spend so much so little time on the apps when I do download them. Like literally, I'm talking like 10 minutes twice a week. Like I barely touch the things. I think that the algorithm on them must work similar to other apps. the more you use it and if you buy premium maybe if you if you use it a lot and you buy premium it's probably going to give you the hot girls or the hot or the hot matches for you the ones with the most likes and the most matches whatever and then if you don't they're not so I actually found like I was getting matched with people who I was like I'm not interested in these people at all like these aren't like people who I'm interested in um and I was like that's weird that there is an obvious mismatch
yeah what you weren't swiping on them you weren't What way is this? Right. You weren't swiping.
This is This is Hinge. So, I don't know. Yeah.
I don't use I don't use Tinder cuz I got banned from Tinder a few years ago.
Of course you did.
Trying to find three ways with my with one of my exes.
Are you allowed to do that?
No. As soon as you say That's why I got deleted.
Exactly. Exactly, dude. Exactly, dude. It's Tinder, dude.
I literally went to do that and they were like, "Oh, it was a soliciting or something." And you're like, "No, we're not." Like, we're literally here trying to Anyway, isn't that what Tinder's about? Just so you know, Tinder HQ, aren't you like all about people getting together and like Yeah. Like not not punching each other, you know, bumping uglies.
Inappropriate as a couple apparently.
Yeah. Apparently. Apparently not allowed to find on Tinder. Thanks, Tinder. Whatever. Still found it anyway, but whatever. Um Yeah. So, but Hinge is a little bit different. They have like a bunch of questions. You do get the girls who you can say yes or no, but I I was finding the girls that I was interested in.
Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Wouldn't get matched.
But then you would get people because what Tinder can sorry not Tinder Hinge. I think they can comment on you've got several questions. So you'll be like, "If I had $10,000, what would I do? I'd buy I'd buy an animal shelter." Like whatever the you want to put in there.
Yes. The prompts. The prompts.
So then the girls can then um or the person you're trying to match with can then be like, "I love animals." And you're like, "Gotcha."
It's also based off women and more hinge, too. It's a more like Yeah, it's more about connecting with your long-term partner trying to get deleted. Like Hinge is trying to get you to delete the app by finding someone. That's their like motto.
Free shout out. Free shout out Hinge.
But anyway, but didn't work for me. Hinge. But anyway, but like I swear those like they're basically like the more you use the better results you get cuz like like you you were saying before like normal dudes like I I still didn't get very much traction on it, but I don't know. Is that because it's a shallow pool or is that because it's like gaming the app? Like I think the apps like the more you use it, I I remember when I was like really heavily like not really doing much outside of doing a lot of Tindering and um Hinging and all that kind of stuff and outside of like my full-time job at the time in my mid20s and like I remember I used to spend so much time doing like meaningless small talk with people and trying to like get meetups and like having like half of them fall through and then another half of the half remaining would like cancel last minute just so much time. Like I can see why people like in this economy I can see why they're like dating. I got banked to make. I got to make some bread, dude.
Like I wouldn't want to be wasting my time either.
Yeah. Well, that's how I kind of like I got into the industry going into a different subject. I don't know. I was like doing all the Hinge and Tinder dating and guys for free and talking to people for free and I was like this feels like a waste of time to me. Especially cuz I don't know if I was actually ready for a relationship, but I was like, why aren't I getting paid for this? And then I found the online sites and I was like, yeah, might as well just get paid to do what I was doing.
What were you doing before you started digital sex work,
whatever I'm doing now.
Um, I've done heaps of different casual jobs. I was always a casual worker.
Oh, so you weren't like a full-timer anywhere. You were like bartender, things like that.
I just never Yeah. I could get my head around doing a full-time work. No. So, I was a sandwich artist at Subway.
Yeah.
Yeah. Making a perfect subs, handling the foot longs.
Perfect. Nothing's changed.
No. Same. Same.
Um, and I was also a photographer. So, I actually worked on the other end of the camera, which was always funny.
Handy like almost like a university degree for what you're doing right now.
I did a TA degree, but also I was working with kids. I worked with a lot of kids so we switched around in the same way. I was still working at um I was still doing school photography. So school photography for school photo day and everything.
Oh wow. You really were like doing
it was working with kids like yelling at them going say monkey and all that.
Classic. Um, and then it overlaps into doing the Only Fans. And as I was working, I kind of was like, nothing particularly happened, but I was like, what if one day one of the teachers, one of the parents, one of the year 12 you don't want to do, one of the year 12 boys watches my videos. I was like, that's probably a conflict.
Well, here's the thing. Like, people are like, why isn't there like more creators like or male creators or whatever? And it's I always put it down to like there you have to be in a position where you're not where what you're doing currently is a worse option to losing everything and starting an OAF.
Yeah. You know what I mean? Like because you can't commit fulltime to OF. So you have to have like a backup job. But you have to be able to be able to lose that backup job in case well you have to be able to do OAF in you have to have a be in a position that you can do OF without getting fired basically which is what a big handbreak to a lot of people is is like oh I want to do OAF but like I'm doing a teaching degree and like in four years will I be able to get a job? I had no way blah blah blah.
And like it's a great point because corporate corporate Australia or corporate America, corporate everywhere like really doesn't like you being naked on the internet. You know, if you're going to be someone's parallegal or lawyer or whatever it is. So I find the people who actually have the most success on OAF are people who really didn't have another option that made them like a lot of money. So like a lot of the girls do are doing fantastically. I'll ask them like what they did for a living. Some of them absolutely very like corporaty job. I was in finance blah blah blah. I think Sarah Arabic was in finance. But most of the others were the same as you. Kind of like I was a barmaid. I did this. I did that. I like I was doing jobs that were paid by the hour unskilled work, you know, which is the perfect job when you're like it doesn't matter if I work OF if I'm working at, you know, this bar, you know, and then hopefully I can leave the bar once I'm earning, you know, the $700 I'm earning there. Then you start earning two grand a week and you're like, "Oh, yeah, maybe I'll maybe I'll just do that."
I feel like it was the natural next step though because like the only reason I was in casual random jobs is because I did not have the attention span or the want to work 9 to5. So it was literally just
Do you have ADHD? Do you have it like diagnosed?
Not diagnosed. No, I feel like everyone's on the spectrum a little bit here.
Oh yeah, that's our industry.
Yeah, exactly. Well, that's it. That's so I went from the casual random jobs and I got bored of every single job and I jumped around and then I made it eventually to the online work which worked perfectly because I just work whenever the I want to work and you just make up your own hours. But that's also the hardest part of this industry obviously is being able to push yourself to actually sit down and work sit on the couch for 5 hours to just do the admin.
Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing because what I've realized is I'm the same. I'm not good. I'm good at getting things done. Everyone will look at my stuff and be like, "You put so much." Just having your things to-do list on the wall over there. That's impressive. That's amazing.
Thank you. Thank you. Well, I do have like a to-do list, but the thing is, I still probably work seven or eight hours a day, much like everyone else, but my day starts at 4:00 a.m. and it includes a 2 or three hour nap during the day. And I do things when I want to do them. Like, I don't think my brain works. Like, if I if someone was like, "In the next three hours before your time finishes, you have to do this thing. you have to schedule five, six, seven posts. I'll be like, but whereas what I know what needs to be done, I can manage my ADHD. And I think with my creative brain, you you're probably the same. Like you probably people who don't do a lot of creative stuff will tell you. They'll be like, "Yep, I'm going to start social media. Here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to post every day. I'm going to put an hour aside every night to do it." And I'm like, "Dude, that sounds great. How what are you going to post?" And they're like, "Oh, I don't know. I'll figure it out." But what they don't realize is that you'll spend that entire hour thinking about what you're going to do or as much as it sounds bad like scrolling through Tik Tok to try to find that perfect idea as well. That is also our working hour which
100%. So that's like the hardest part because I I might I might spend you know do some scheduling, do some editing which is very black and white. You either do it or you don't. But then I'm like okay I need to think of something funny to say on Instagram.
Yeah. So then I'll be like, "Okay, what's funny? What's funny? What is funny?" And I'll literally just sit there for an hour and and or whatever. If I if I spend over an hour, what I'll do is I'll go, "Right, this isn't working. I'll either
Go to the gym and train, or I'll go have a nap if I'm feeling like it. Sometimes those kind of things get your juices flowing too. Training, or I'll put on a funny TV show and it will get my, you know, juices flowing. Break it up. Break it up.
Yeah. So for me, I'm like, my day, people look at it and be like, "Oh, it is really well-balanced." I'll put it that way. I can have a nap. I can have a feed. I can like have a break. But like, by the end of the day, my end of the day is like, I'll stop working at 7:00 p.m., but I'll have those breaks through the day. But I would have done 7, 8 hours worth of quality work.
But I think for ADHD people, or people who don't work well on a schedule, I think what we do, if you can get motivated, 'cause I know like you say, like if you don't have the to-do list, if you don't have together, if you don't have a list of things that get done and you actually that you need to get done that you actually do. Like, I've, I know people who do really great videos. They w- they might have done a bunch of videos and they're fantastic, and guess what? They're still on the hard drive where they left them because they can't be bothered or can't bring themselves to produce them, which means they can't bring themselves to take it from the SD card to the hard drive, from the hard drive to the editing software, do the editing in a way that is like, you know, the way you're meant to do it, and then upload it to their computer and then upload it to their sites. Like, it's just that last part, some people just really struggle to do.
So, yeah, it is hard to juggle the ADHD and the autism within the work that we do, but we try our best. But if you can, yeah, like that's the thing, you find ways around it. It's a great lifestyle. Like it is probably the best lifestyle I could ever think of for myself in terms of, I get to do things when I like, when I want to do it. I get to hang out with my dog all day. I get to play video games when I want. It just means that I have to get a few things done throughout the day and I get to be creative. Like, how fun is it to like, if I want to do a cooking show tomorrow, I can do a cooking show tomorrow. You know what I mean? Like, it's just, it's, yeah. So varied.
Yeah. Good job. What's your thing on your, um, like, what's at the moment your social media? Like, how are you driving it? Have you got a a thing or some idea of like, where you're heading with it?
Oh god, my social media. That's always the hardest thing about this job is being your own social media manager and just trying to think up those creative ideas. It's, it's hard being creative every day.
I don't know. It is very hard. In the five years of working in this industry, as I said, I've, I've never found my niche, my thing that has just set me apart so much that it's, you know, made me all the money.
So, as I said, if you have any ideas, let me know.
Well, that is the thing. People kind of, and I was there for a long time. I, I would say my thing is now this podcast. Like, I do do some fun stuff on Instagram, but it's, it's a lot of random stuff built around this podcast. But yeah.
I think your thing could be gym as well. You're a big gym guy. There's so much meat on your story. But that doesn't get the, that doesn't get the views. People actually don't like gym stuff 'cause I've tried turning as a woman.
Yeah. A bit more. Yeah, that. Yeah. But the thing is, is that gym bro, like me doing weights doesn't attract women, it attracts men. Like, that's, it's more male gays, like gay dudes love sweaty gym dudes. Yeah. Not being before I was very much like, take my hair out, model look, savage. But I found that was only, that was turning off the women 'cause they were like, "Ew, stuck up," or "Ew, intimidating." Like, hot body, but he's like, greased up in the sun, weird. Whereas like, gay dudes are like, "Oh, he's the hottest dude ever." So I think like, just showing my, you know, how friendly I am, showing my a bit of comedy, showing a bit of like myself, like that's like, you know, positive, like what, who, like, who I am, as well as having these like long film conversations has like changed my audience.
But if I was a chick, like, it's, it's, it's really hard because it's all been done. It's all been done. Everyone is already doing everything and they're already years ahead as well. So nothing is original as a chick. Like, I can give more men advice in this industry more than women, easily. Like, only because women, like, it's, as I said, it's so oversaturated and done. Like, nothing you'll do will be original unless you have a beautiful, perfect fake and BBL and you got that hourglass figure where you can just stand there and bounce. There's this chick online who just does farting content and she's actually hot as.
I would love to do that, but I'm struggling 'cause I've got a couple guys waiting for a farting video and I cannot get any gas to come out my.
That's hilarious. Like, I, I actually went to the pharmacy and I bought some degas tablets. So I'm going to try that one.
Don't they make it less gassy?
Apparently, it's supposed to. Oh, no. I feel like it's going to make me fart. Hopefully. Don't, fingers crossed. Either way, it's going to go one way and I'm hoping I'm going to get some farts out of it. So.
Perfect. Well, what I was, I love that. What I was thinking is that like, for, there is, the thing is, it's a 90% male buying market. So, like, I would say it's harder to find your niche. Like, it is hard to find a niche, but then again, I know a lot of girls like who, uh, I don't know what they, what else they've got going on, but their entire social media seems to be built off them doing trends and other people's like copied content. Like, it's not, it's so boring. It's like, I'm so done with just doing the standard Reels where I'm just bouncing there or I'm doing other people's videos over and over. I want to be unique and I want to be funny and I want to be a bit weird and a bit controversial.
But that's also really exhausting to keep that up. I almost need an ideas man to just throw some ideas at me.
Cuz if you don't film it, 'cause it's really easy to be like, low-hanging fruit and do, you know, just aim purely for controversy and just say things that get people fired up. But it's actually very tough to, uh, think of creative things that are positive, that make people feel good, or make people laugh.
Yeah. Like those, those two things create an equally good result in terms of PR when it comes to like people like getting attention on you. I would say that people who are insulting, offensive, and like the low-hanging fruit kind of people, they would get even more attention because they've got people bickering in the arguments and, yeah. And they feel compelled to talk about it because they're so outraged. That seems to be like the, the sweet spot if you want to be like making as much money as humanly possible or getting as much reach as humanly possible. But yeah, it's tough. Like you say, you almost need a writer. You almost need someone who's like, "All right, if you tell the story in this way, it'll not like piss anyone off and it actually will come out with the result you're trying to get across." Cuz you know, it's hard because you might say something in like a wrong way and offend a whole bunch of people and like, but then that works sometimes. I had a guy in Thailand who I asked for help briefly, just 'cause he knew what I was doing. He was like, "Yeah, I'm going to help you." Um, and he was like, "You should become that political girl, political girl who supports Trump and Andrew Tate and thinks, uh, go misogyny, but obviously as a woman," like that, um, what's her name? Pearl on Twitter.
Is there someone who does that? Yeah. But apparently that could definitely rack up some views. So, yeah, I don't know if that Pearl Girl has an OnlyFans, but what she, um, does talk about like similar kind of track to what Bonnie Blue kind of runs with, where she's like, "It's your fault for not like blowing your partner enough that you know he divorced you," that kind of thing. Yeah. It'll be, you know, she'll talk about like how like there's a huge imbalance in divorce and you know, women, you know, she'll, she'll be like saying like women, women are, you know, greedy, blah, blah, blah. But that's like, like, that's how she creates the outrage and she's very popular like in terms of like followers and stuff and all her stuff gets hell of views because she'll go on podcasts and, um, like feminists will try and like chop her down and she'll be like, "Well, that's not true because," and tell the stats about whatever. But like my, but like that is a, uh, the thing is, it's if you want the heat, if you want the, heat up with it too, was I'm not very good liar. I wouldn't be able to keep up with it. If people kept poking me and prodding me about certain things, I wouldn't have no clue what to say.
Well, I think it's more like, um, you either want the heat or you don't. Like, in terms of like, you wouldn't have to like lie about certain things. Like, in terms of, um, well, it would be, well, if you just wanted to insult people online, I mean, like, if you just wanted to be insulting, you would, you wouldn't have to be like, you would, yeah, you wouldn't have to make up stories about, you know, gang bangs or whatever. But what, but like, if you wanted to just purely, you know, like Andrew Tate sometimes will just be like, "Chicks can't drive, get over it." You know what I mean? Like, like he'll just throw something into the ether to just make people go, "That's load of crap," you know, and just freak out in the comments. So, I think I could do that because, yeah, that's just funny.
But, but, but for me, it's like, why would you, like, for me, I, I really don't like it when people come after me. Obviously, no one does. And it's a whole another level of stress when like, it, it floods into your, into your, into your way. Like, I don't know. Like dealt with that. Yeah. Dealt with that.
Oh, totally. And I quite like having like a very positive outcome for everyone else and for myself on my social media. Like, I don't want to be inviting the people who have nothing better to do today than to send me online, troll me, or send me a threatening, you know, message on all my platforms, screenshot your things and push post them on there, or try and, yeah, or try and like, uh, report all of your stuff, you know, like there are, there are certain things where you're just like, you know what, I don't need it. I can do this another way. And, um, honestly, like the people I, that I do see doing a lot of rage bait, I take my hat off to them. We know the ones that are successful and like, it's a lot of heat, like to be able to, like, you wouldn't be able to check your, like, DMs if you were Bonnie Blue.
'Cause it would just be like death threats. Death threats would make me want to kill myself.
Totally, mate. Totally. That's it. That's like, people hate me. Yeah. It's just, you can't, because it's just not a normal thing. It's just not normal. Like, the human brain is, the human brain is not designed to deal with it. And I think if I was like, the Bonnie Blues of the world in that regard, but I was making the money they were making, I probably could handle the heat. You know what I mean? Like, if I block it out with the noise with the money. Exactly. I'd have like, yeah, rolls of hundreds and stuff them in my ears.
Yeah. But I, yeah, I don't know. It's a, um, it's a bra, it's a bold move to be doing, uh, to try and increase your influence through negativity, or through like, um, what's the word, um, triggering, triggering the masses through controversy, because, yeah, it's, al- although it is like a very good thing to do for success in terms of like, getting free PR, this is the thing, like, what people don't realize who do, who don't maybe don't do OnlyFans, is that it doesn't have any promotional tool on it. So there's no algorithm on the actual website. You have to get views from outside. And although like Instagram, TikTok, all these are good, when they go off, it's great.
What is an untapped resource is the rest of the country who doesn't have TikTok, Instagram, whatever. So, anyone over like 50 will only see legacy media. They'll only see the news they've watched every day for the last 40 years. They'll only see the radio that they listen to every morning. Why Bonnie Blue got so successful too? Those because she made it onto every other media platform that you could, and then add on to that at the same time. So big stories, add on to that at the time, every podcast that's a podcast has her on, including this one. And all the shorts from those podcasts get posted on TikTok and Instagram and then they go viral. So she's probably got, like, I have maybe like, one or two platforms that go viral at one time, and when two go off at the same time, I'm like, starts going off, like, I start getting a huge flood of, um, subscribers. But if I had 10 different, um, podcast shorts getting millions of views, plus I was on the, um, news in 10 different countries, being like, these huge of 18-year-old boys.
Yeah. Dude, like, it is unfathomable. Like, when people say like, when she says she makes like 500 grand a month, I, I believe it. I believe it. I've seen the numbers.
There you go. So when you think of like that spider map of like all the views they're getting from other places through outrage, you can tell. 'Cause when I, you know, whenever I see or meet someone new who just figures out what I do, they're like, "What do you think of this?" like Bonnie Blue. Oh, you know, like the first thing I hear every single time. So, I mean, it works all in every country in Asia. I was asked about Bonnie Blue when I told them I did, you know, but it's all about the PR stunt. It was literally just started as a PR stunt. She was smart enough to jump on board with it.
That's a schooly. But she also, yes. But she also obviously, and the other girls and everyone who is doing it right now was paying companies to do PR, advertising, media, and everything for them. So, it's about, you still need the idea. This is the thing. So, like, I don't think it was her idea. It was someone else's idea she jumped on to. But yes, you're the idea needs to be there.
Yeah. Like, if you get a PR agency, that's why I'm like, I don't have the ideas. I need help. Well, this is the thing, 'cause if I had a PR, 'cause I'm the same, like, like, I could pay a PR company however much a month to, to, 'cause they have the keys to these like, you know, publications, you know, they have the contact for someone at the Daily Mail, at, you know, whatever, at all these different, uh, newspapers that and online publications that they can then spread the word out. But if you don't have like a, you know, Bonnie Blue, you know, nailing schoolies, or Annie Knight, you know, doing whatever she's doing, like the 600 dudes in a year, or the Tasha Page doing what, you know, like, like these, these like, you really need something that is not just a one-hit wonder that you can recycle over and over again. Like the beauty of the Annie Knight thing is that it's 600 guys this year, was a thousand this, it's a thousand next year, and then it's, then it's a thousand plus 600 virgins the next year, whatever. So, like, it's just ongoing, you know? So I think like that's the hard part, like, 'cause it's not about, if I have a good enough story, like, I, I broke my wiener and that gave me like a good two months worth of good promo, but like, once your dick's healed, guess what?
But that's that's the issue. All it is is stories. A lot of them. Yeah. Okay. Some of them actually went and did schoolies, but on the other hand, I'm fairly sure I don't know if she listens to this, but Annie did not 600 people in a year. I won't burst that bubble, but like, you can also just lie about any single thing in this industry and what you just have a handful of videos as proof.
I think a, um, a good idea for everyone is to treat social media in a lot of ways like, um, exactly how you would treat the tabloid magazines.
Oh, yeah. You don't believe every word. So maybe it's, maybe it's all true. Maybe it's all part of their dating life and we don't know. Or maybe it's all made up, or maybe there's like a good, good mixture of both. But all I know is that everyone loves a good story. And it's almost like it doesn't matter how, how much it doesn't seem true. People, men in particular, want to believe that women are such that this is true. So, I always think to myself like, some of these stories do sound incredibly far-fetched and ridiculous, but what I will say is I look through the comments and I'm like, "Dudes believe it. They believe it." So like, regardless of like the truth in it, then it's, it works. The, the, the proof is in the pudding. And people love a good story. They like to be able to shame and be on their pedestal and think they're better than you. And what better way than to like, rub in their face that, you know, I'm a girl and I'm a huge, and if I was a man, it would be totally okay. So you guys, you know what I mean?
Yeah. 100%. Yeah.
Yeah. But, um, but yeah, I, I, this is why it's much easier though to, um, I guess, if you were hypothetically going to try and do something consistently, it's really easy to do the offensive stuff because it's less work. Like, really trying to, you know, if you're harboring on someone's like ultra bias, if you're like, "Oh, you want to believe I'm a huge for doing OF, like let me show you how much of a like, yeah, see how much of a he is." You know what I mean? So like, if you want to harp on that, then it is actually a much easier content plan than if you're like, okay, I'm going to make this like something funny. For example, like, you don't have to be that creative to be like, yeah, seven yesterday was awesome. Come in my. Anyway, about to make dinner. Spaghetti. Love it. Anyway, love it anyway.
Yeah. So like, but, but that's like, it's literally, um, if you wanted to, if you wanted to create like a bunch of stories, it would be really easy. But for dudes, it's different. 'Cause I mean, like, if I was like, I have 10 chicks chest today, everyone would be like, "Congratulations, mate. Congratulations." Who cares? Who cares? Anyway. And I'll be like, "Yeah, you're right. Never mind." Yeah.
Need to have to have some evidence to back it up though, 'cause everyone just says certain things on their Reels and stories and it's just overdone. Like, there are a lot of girls making up a lot of, well, there's a lot of girls telling stories now, but I think that that could also be an evolution of social media once they stopped allowing everyone to like be in a bikini and to show their body off. It's one of the only things we can get views on now.
Totally. Story time. Story time. Yeah. But I think I think like, it's, it's one of those things where it's like, I think I think it actually, this was a problem that Annie might have been having and originally was that her, um, she was telling a lot of these stories from her dating life and people getting on her site and being like, "You've only got like 20 videos, but you told a different story every day." Jerked it up this year particularly with filming with extra people.
Totally. So, what I've noticed is maybe like, they've hammered it right up because like, they, people are getting on there and being like, "Yeah, I need to be able to see if there's, you know, 100 stories, I want to be able to see at least 80 of those." And do the stories and the lies first. Okay, that's fine. And then you can do the content after.
If I was a girl, honestly, I would just flat out tell sex stories too. Like, I, whether they were real or not. Like, I feel like from like a perspective of someone who, um, I have to be like, really creative about what I do, um, about the stories I tell, otherwise I get like pitchforks from like each end, uh, from people online. So like, I, men, I think are a little bit, you get a little less forgiveness in your stories. Whereas if I was a girl, I'd be like, telling stories about how much of a [ __ ] I am. I'd be telling stories about how, you know, maybe on dudes a little bit, 'cause that's allowed. Um, you know, like, maybe I just like, there's a few options as a girl where you could be like, you could actually probably get like some really good views and put like a good content plan together where it's like, where you're a little bit like, you know, little bit of a jerk, but that's okay 'cause I'm like, hot chick, you know what I mean? And I think that's where a lot of the girls kind of vibe in that like, you know, that kind of where they're like, "I guess what, I have like three dudes off tins today and they didn't know anything about each other and I didn't wash my afterwards. So they were like, just using using each other's like baby batterers as lube."
Is that not just a Tasha Page story? Was that?
This is that, I think that was a Tasha Page story. But there's no way as a dude you could be like, "Guess what, guys? I, I screwed three chicks and I didn't wash my disgusting."
Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So, this is what I mean. Like, as a chick, I would just be like going ham on being a little, sex stories. Sex stories, but also be a little bit like, you know, men are trash sort of thing. You know what I mean? Like, just be a little bit like, 'cause there's a big. They'll do anything to get sex. They'll just do anything. It's so easy to get men, you. So, honestly, honestly. So, I mean, before, before I did this work, before I was getting like regular great, great.
Mate, there's that meme that there's that meme that says, "My has led me places that I wouldn't even go with a gun." And that is, and that is honestly the truth. There's so much I see that and I share it all the time 'cause it's true. The amount of times I've been like, been like, "All right, I'll go to this place," and then you get there and you're like, "Holy, what is what have I become?" Then you come and you're like, immediately you're like, "H, I need to get the out of here." Why? Why am I here? You don't even feel bad about it. You're like, as you walk in, you're like, "Yeah, this is all right. It's like, I mean, it's a little bit rustic, but it's all right." And then, and then as soon as you come, you're like, "This place ising awful."
Post-nut clarity. Oh. Dude, it'll get you. But yeah, but so, yeah. So men are dumb. Men are dumb. We think with adults a lot. So I get it.
Okay. So, yeah. So, so it is actually a lot. It is hard. It is hard. But I think, um, I think you can do it.
Yeah. I just got to tell more ridiculous stories and I've, I've probably got plenty up my sleeve. I just can't remember. Like, that was such a long time ago when I was single and around and such a long time ago.
I have a lot of stories from when I was younger and getting absolutely hammered. But that's the problem. Those hammered years, there's a lot of blurriness.
Yeah. I can't remember. I lost, I lost years. I lost years, dude.
Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. So, you did a series where you were banging in hostels and that went pretty viral. Is that something that you are running with now or are you?
That's not really me. That wasn't really me. That was my thing.
Okay. No. We'll go next. What do I do? I haven't done a like a series or anything.
Have you done anything that's gone mega viral for yourself, or has it always been on someone else's like platform doing stuff with them?
No, I've had a few like good videos go viral here and there. I can't remember which ones for now.
That's right. No. Yeah. I. That's why I'm telling you, I'm like, I've not found my niche or my thing and that has gone viral. That was Mr. London Lad's thing was hostels. Like heaps of people in hostels.
I, I tried to jump in on that. It didn't work.
Yeah. Yeah. I was like, it was also way too complicated when you're in a relationship to be able to do that and it was just way too hard.
Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing, like there, but the thing is, there is a lot of, there are a lot of girls who haven't found their niche and they just kind of get by. They do the posts. They still get enough views that they make money. Life's life's good.
Yeah. As I, like, as I was saying before, my thing at the moment that's blowing up is I love to do hardcore lesbian.
Yeah. So, no other girls have done that in Australia, particularly the way I'm doing it. But it all started with a guy who ordered a custom video, a lesbian custom video, and he wanted a really specific way of doing it with a strap. Yep. With lots of spit in the mouth and the face, fish hooking while them from behind, slapping, rim jobs. Um, close-up gaping, like pulling holes apart. Yep. Lots of face with the strap. And that's something that girls don't do in Australia. I have not found that any girls do that. And that's why I'm doing that right now. And it's selling really well. But also, I'm looking for more girls who will be able to do that back to me. And it's so hard. I'm, I don't think I'm that dominant. I don't think I'm that, I don't know, dominant, bit scary girl to work with. But I haven't found anyone.
Well, there's not a lot of girls that are very dominant in general. Like, I find a lot, unless they're full mistress, like domination. There are some. And normally I know those, like the girls that are kind of attracted to working with me are usually super submissive.
Yeah. Exactly. So, I think, and a lot of those girls have really good followings or whatever, but like, those are the girls you, you'd want to work with in that way, but they probably wouldn't be able to reciprocate, um, and do the man role, you know?
Well, even just taking it like, I've worked with some girls who are very submissive and they're all right with maybe male performances, but as soon as I get in there and I'm trying to snap them around, they struggle. It's because a, a toy is a different texture to a, a male appendage, and it's not attached to me and it has no sensation. So I also can't feel like, yeah, how it's moving as well. Yeah, for sure.
So I think it is a different thing. But I mean, if there's no one doing it, then I think, and it's something that you want to run towards, you should try doing like a more. There's a girl called Quinn, but I don't know her, I can't think of her Instagram, Insta handle. She's from LA. Anyway, she, uh, I think she's a, she does OF, but she's mostly a content creator and she does like, male, she's a, she's a dominatrix, but she'll like, just be clothed, fully clothed, and she'll like lean into the camera and be like, "All right, boys. Look me in the eyes. Just look me in the eyes. Pull it out. I'm going to count down from 20, 19, 18. Keep looking at me."
Yeah. Joys. Eyes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Was she working with another creator or is it just?
No, it's just, it's just her to the camera, like what I'm doing with you right now, is staring deep into your eyes.
I do joys all the time. But, but she's doing that on her Instagram, not as, but she's not doing it explicit at all. And she's not, she's talking in a way that isn't like alluding to them. She's just like, "Whip it out. You know what you want to do." Yeah. 9, 8, 7, 6, whatever. So she, um, like something like that might be like a.
I do love that. But it's the talking that close up. Like, talking is a struggle for me still. I'm more of an actor. I'm a physical, physical comedy, physical everything. I stumble over my words way too much to be able to do that for these, for these social medias.
Yeah. Well, I do the joys for customs and stuff, but it's just not my thing.
Fair enough. It's not my thing. I also hate my accent. I know other people around the world love it, but I hate it so much.
Yeah. Yeah. It's like half Aussie, half half British. It's like half, half every now and then. Taking it on from London. Classic.
How do you deal with like lapses in your mental health? Like, I, I get like lapses all, not all the time, but like, there are definitely times when my social media isn't going right, when I feel like, you know, I everything's not going right. And then there are ways that I pull myself out of that. How, how, how do you do that?
Oh, yeah. You definitely get your lows when you're just not making as much as you are putting into it. Like, welcome to small business, everyone. Literally, you're put in so much energy and effort and then you just don't see it back. It just puts a whole damper on everything. But I think it's just time for me. I just need to take time for myself, do the things that I love doing, do a bit of exercise, get outside. It'll come back.
Exercise is huge. Yeah. It'll come back at the end of the day. But, oh, yeah. It definitely kicks you when you're down, doesn't it?
Absolutely. Absolutely. I, I think it eats a lot of people up if, if you allow it, especially if you're doing things like, um, topless waitressing when, but also partying at the same time. Like, there's a lot of girls I know who, middle of the week. A lot of girls I know who always get lit up like at the jobs because they're more fun, which is true. But like, it's really, would be really easy to do eight weeks in a row where you've gotten half pissed or pissed the entire time.
Yeah. I definitely probably take it too far at jobs. Just a little bit. Enough that I'm all right. Enough that I can drive home and everything, but that makes the middle of the week really tough to get going. And Sundays are always out of the picture, too.
When I, like, honestly, when I stopped drinking, that's when everything just like went up 20% in terms of productivity.
That's amazing. I think I'm definitely an addict of some things. I still get really stoned, don't get me wrong. I just, yeah, like, like, but just the drinking in particular, and, and the not going out late. So, like, not losing a full night of sleep every week or every third, you know, three weeks of the month, and then on top of that, having like the alcohol. Like, if I'm, if I, as soon as I stopped doing the 4 a.m. finish once a week and stopped drinking, like, pretty much entirely, I lost like six kilos straight away. Like, didn't even try, just eating normally and just falling off me. But also the energy, like, I thought to myself at one point, I was like, "Oh, maybe I'm just such a cute ADHD, I can't do anything." Turns out I was just, alcohol, always at the end of my tether and like, majority of the time was half, like at a very high stressed level in the body, 'cause you're just like, recovering from a hangover. Yeah. I definitely think I use a little bit of drinking as a, as I said, a coping mechanism to be able to go out and do my job as at my peak. I want to be able to be entertaining and be able to talk your ear off and still be hot and sexy, but it's so hard to do that sober.
That's the difference between topless waitressing and the showirling, 'cause I'm, um, I'm a male stripper when I, when I get hired. And there's two types. There's the topless waitering, which I also offer, and there's the stripping. The stripping is literally, I don't have to be, I obviously I'm nice, I'm courteous, and I'm, and I'm polite. But I only have to be there for half an hour, of which I'm dancing for 15 minutes of that, and then I'm taking some quick photos. Pleasantries, pleasantries, pleasantries. Get my shirt back on. Catch you later, guys. But it's when you're having to talk for two, three, four hours to people who are descending into drunkenness from sober to drunk, and then all of a sudden they're on a completely different level to you, and they start to get a little bit more handsy, and they start to get a little bit more lippy, and they start to like, you don't feel respected, and you're sober. It's hard.
Oh, no. Yeah, I get that 'cause I, I do both as well, obviously. So some, if I could make as much money as I could just doing the shows and it not be too hard, and honestly, it's so, it wrecks me. Like, I'm so tired and my knees hurt and my hurts, everything after my shows. I would do back-to-back shows and just make money and not drink all weekend. But I know I can rock up to a topless waitressing job, talk their ear off, get some extra money out of them, and I can walk away with double the amount from shows.
Yeah. It's actually quite the hustle. Definitely, uh, the worth the risk. I don't know if it is worth the risk. If the work comes up, I mean, you know, you got, you either take it or you don't. Like, anyone who's not in industry, there's not like a set amount of work. You just have to grab it as soon as you can get it. Make hay as the sun shines, as they say.
Sometimes the shows you can only, one or so pop, like they pop up during the night, but you still have to be a competitive industry. So, you have to comp. And there's like hundreds of girls picked over the other girls. Yeah. So you might only get the one show and you might not get any other shows around it. And that's 'cause that's just the one show and that's it. Whereas you rock up to a topless job, you get the two, three hours booked, but you know you could probably push more or you can get another job after 'cause there's so many more jobs.
That's the difference with dudes too, is that women get paid like $150 an hour to do the topless waitressing plus like, whatever lap dances.
Yes. The extra 50 is the booking. Oh, gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. So, let's just say 100 dude. Guess how much dudes you get?
Uh, like 50 or 60 or. $50. And guess, guess how many lap dancers and extras we get? Zero. 'Cause girls don't like to pay for it. So, girls have like a weird relationship with money and like sex, you know, which is like a cultural thing for sure. But it makes like doing it as a man like not even on my radar. I used to do it when I was like trying to make rent when I just moved to Brisbane, you know, co all this kind of stuff. I was like, "Yeah, let's, let's just hustle and get this extra hundred bucks, even if it's not even worth me driving out to this location and back." But end of the day, I think that, um, right now, if I was at a position where my OF was like just making enough and where like everything was kind of like obviously like still paying the bills, but I'm like, if I was at a point where like every part was like quite important, I would probably go back to doing some topless wait, like waitering and things that aren't like really on my prior priority of like incomes that I want to make. But end of the day, money's money and in this economy, we got to work for it.
We try our best. Yeah. Definitely. Definitely. So, what's the future look like for you? Like, you say you don't have a thing, but do you have like a, a goal for the next two, three years?
Yeah. So, I think my goal for the next couple of years is honestly to travel and just grow as much as I can. I want to get to the UK and I want to get to the US 'cause I have some really good contacts over there. Yep. And I want to work with some big names. I want to become like, honestly, my lifelong goal would become a household name. That, that would be a dream to me. Just be the next Angela White, be the next, you know, Bella Danger. That would, that would be, yeah. My goal.
Yeah. Well, I think, uh, working with some professional companies would probably be your first. I have. Yeah. I've got contact with in the UK with Brazzers. So.
Oh, Brazzers. Brazzers love Australian girls.
Yeah. So, she said as long as I can get over there, then we can book, book a few in. Yeah. So, yeah. So, that's a go.
Yeah. Great. Great. Well, I think you can definitely get there. There's not a lot, like, there is a lot of OnlyFans girls, but there isn't a lot of women there in, in comparison to how many do. There isn't as many that have the the freedom within themselves or within what they've got going on at home to be a full-blown P star to like, go and like with the goal to work with Brazzers, work with Vixen, work with Adult Time, whatever else, and like be on their front page on these sites, you know?
So, I say to anyone, like, if that's something that's like in your head to do, like, just, you got to do it. Just do it. Yeah. It's just about growing and making contacts, I think.
Yeah, definitely. I think just being in that ecosystem, once you go over there, like, you realize like, "Oh, once I work with one person, then they see, oh, this Kiki girl's in town," then you get hit up by three, four, five other dudes and you work with them, and then more, and then more, um, until you're time to go. So, like, as long as you can, um, get over there.
Yeah. Great. Yeah. Yeah. I think I've got a good chance. And as I say, I've already also met some US creators who have come here. Obviously, working with Jack Slayer was a big opportunity for me 'cause he's probably one of the top, you know, 10 stars in the world, technically, I don't know, in the US, whatever. But yeah, so he said, um, yeah, he really liked working with me. He said he was, said I was probably the best one like actual interaction with the camera and just whole, you know, performance too. And I was like, "I love that. Thanks."
How big was his? Little ego boost?
How big was his? Too big. Too big. You know what? No, it fit. It fit and it, it fit pretty well. It took a sec to kind of stretch me out. But no, it was definitely one of the biggest I've ever taken and I'm very happy with myself.
Perfect. Congratulations. I, I wouldn't say I'm a size queen. Like, I'm quite, my insides are actually quite small. That's probably the one thing I'll struggle with in the US. I short and my mouth is small.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm with you. Yeah. You can. I got to hide those teeth.
Yeah. Totally. Totally. You have to like learn to unhinge your jaw.
Yeah. I'll just dislocate. Yeah. Classic. Well, is there anything else you want to go through today?
Uh, I think that's all right. I can see starting to sweat.
I'm sweating. I'm, it's hot. It gets hot in here.
It does. Well, it was so nice to, uh, chat to you and work with you today.
Yeah. Good to chat to you. Do you want to let everyone know where they can find you on social media and and abroad and?
Yes, Instagram, Kiki_exposed. Um, Twitter is Kiki Isabelle. And then I've got my paid sites, Fansly, ManyVids, LoyalFans, Kiki Isabelle.
Incredible. So nice to chat to you today.
Thanks for having me.
No worries. And me.
Yeah. See you guys.
See you.