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Hey guys, it's D kov and Megan Kelly. Uh, we brought on Victor Davis Hansen to discuss the essential split of the right, where the right is now turning against Israel. Check out what they have to say; very, very brilliant insight here.
One of the things that's happening in our country right now with respect to this conflict—Israel, Palestine, Hamas—as, um, yes, these lefties who we just saw on Dearborn are marching, saying things like "Death to America," but also on the right, there is a considerable, growing—dare I say—faction that is making the case that Israel's gone too far, or that this is not in America's interests to be supporting Israel in this conflict at all. And even in some cases, making the case that Christians should not be in favor of America's support for Israel here, given the death toll and given its residual effects on Christians in Israel.
If you go online for two minutes, you'll see this debate breaking out within the Republican Party about whether this is—whether we have any proper role in this conflict, whether it's supporting Israel or not. Obviously, nobody's calling for our boots to be on the ground, including Israel, but the support that we're giving—is it appropriate? Should we get out? And is there some growing divide between Christians and Jews?
Uh, I think a lot of it's based on ignorance, I really do. Because if anybody—I've been to Israel a lot, in the West Bank—and if anybody goes to say Bethlehem, or they go into Lebanon—what's happening all over the Middle East, Megan, is Christians are being ethnically cleansed. If you look at the population, I think, of Bethlehem in the late 90s—and I went there as early as the 70s—it was—it was 80, there were 70 or 80% Christian; it's—it's—it's down to about 10 or 20%. And the same is true of villages in Lebanon. And so Christians themselves—not their spokesmen—who have—the problem we have when we have Christians in the Middle East that are living in the Pal—under—in Gaza, there's not many; they've been ethnically cleansed from Gaza, most of them. But if they're speaking in Syria, or they're speaking in the Palestinian Authority, they're terrified, and everything they say is monitored. So mostly the Christians are very anti-Israel—the spokespeople—but when you look at actual events on the ground, they have fled; they either go to Europe, or mostly to America or Israel. I think Israel is getting close to having 200,000 Christians, and they're not people who were there in 1947, necessarily; most of them came to Israel as a refuge from religious persecution by Muslim governments.
And I think most of the Evangelical community that I know of is still very pro-Israel. I think what we're talking about is the libertarian right, intellectual movement. And I understand, you know, I—I—I know that Tucker Carlson has voiced some things; Candace Owens has—the KO Institute's been very vocal. There's some people on that website who've called for breaking relations almost with Israel, but I don't think it represents most Christians, much less most Americans. But I—I don't know quite what their arguments are, because I've seen so many of them, you know. Uh, it doesn't take a lot of brains to say there's 500 million people in the Middle East, and there's 12 million that live on a democratic government, and that is the only democratic constitutional system there. And when you go to Haifa, or Jerusalem, or Tel Aviv—and I have been to every Arab country in the Middle East—and you go to—except Emirates, I haven't been there—but if you go to Tunis, or you go to Tripoli, or you go to Cairo—and these are moderate countries—you go to Jordan, you go to Baghdad, you go to Beirut, you go to Damascus, and—and then just compare it going to Haifa, for example, and it's just night and day.
Yeah, 100%. I have a little bit of my own thoughts on this. I think it breaks up into two different groups: you have the isolationists that don't want America involved in any of this, um, and then you have the people that are essentially, uh, anti-Semitic and want to, you know, uh, create some sort of divide between Jews and Christians. And it's unbelievable, because you have the Islamists that say, "First, we come for the Sunday—Saturday people, meaning the Jews, and then we come for the Sunday people." So the idea that you can, you know, separate us and create a—a divide between Jews and Christians while we have this existential threat on our doorstep is very dangerous. You know, if you're a Christian and you're, um, not so pro-Israel because of one thing or another, you should probably look at yourself in the mirror, because the people that hate the Jews, the people that hate Israel, also hate the Christian West. They say, "Marbar Israel, marbar Amria," meaning, in—in Iran, they chant, "Death to Israel, death to America." This isn't like a, uh, you know, a situation where Israel is just taking aid and essentially just, uh, fighting everyone. No, there's a reason why America has a vested interest in Israel taking out a lot of these enemies, um, and let's continue with Victor Davis Hansen here. None of these people who are saying "Death to America"—if they dare to go back into their own countries and they said "Death to Assad," or "Death to the Palestinian," or "Death to Hamas," they would be killed, or they'd be in jail—jailed. But they wouldn't—if you're in Israel and you say "Death to Netanyahu," you're not. And so it's a qual—it's a—it's not Muslim-Christian; it's just an empirical difference between a free society that lives by the rule of law and its neighbors who, for the—for the vast majority, do not. And anybody on the right who can't make that distinction is—I—I—I don't think—I don't know what you do with them, but uh, it's—should know.
You're—in addition to the classics that you teach, you're an expert in warfare; you've written a lot of books on it, you've studied a lot of conflicts, seen how they played out. And I heard you on your show, which I love, uh, talking about this. Yes, you've talked in the past about proportionality, but you were talking about like the extreme response to Israel after it—I don't know if the word is inadvertently, but mistakenly killed these Central Kitchen workers. Um, their van was labeled; it was clear that they—or should have been clear that they were not combatants for Hamas, but Israel made a mistake, and they fired two people over it, but still, you've got innocents now who are dead, and this is led to President Biden, many others saying that's it—like you've got to change—that's the Kamala Harris sound bite—"you've got to change your tactics, or we're going to change ours." And you know, you—you brought your hefty dose of reality if we want to take a hard look at civilian deaths in a—in a war conflict. Yeah, this is some old footage; that's why she's bringing up a lot of these old, past events, um, but a lot of what he's saying here is 100% relevant today.
Well, I mean, I walked through Fallujah about a year and a half after we retook it, and it looked like a moonscape. And we were doing all we could not to kill civilians that were intertwined within the sons of the Ba'ath and ISIS. And we leveled Mosul—or actually, the Iraqi forces with our help and air power leveled Mosul—and I didn't hear anybody in Dearborn say anything. I didn't hear anybody in Dearborn say, "My God, we stand with Chechnya," when Putin—we had the second Chechen war; he leveled Grozny—leveled it; it didn't even exist. I didn't hear anybody in Dearborn say a word. I didn't hear anybody in Dearborn ever object to what the Taliban were doing to women; I really didn't hear that. And so I don't hear—anybody talking today—there's a million Muslim Uyghurs in China that are being oppressed; I hear Blinken talking about it and equating the Uyghurs with the Wagners, but I don't hear anybody in Dearborn. So there's something else is what I'm trying to say, going on. And when you look at the usual ratio, it's three or four civilians to one—is pretty good. I don't mean anything's good in urban warfare, but there's outside observers who've come back and said the number of actual militants, terrorists, combatants who are killed versus, uh, civilians is about 1:1 or 1.5 to 1, and that shows you that's a—a great deal of—of care. And you know, the other thing—it's very—it's really bizarre, Megan—we have two wars going on, and I haven't heard anybody on the left, and I haven't heard this Administration say to Mr.—and I support Mr. Zelensky's right to defense; I'm glad we give them weapons, and I—I break with some people in the right—I don't want to go into Moscow or—or attack Russia on the offensive, but to defend themselves, they have a right. But have you heard anybody say, "Mr. Zelensky, you need a wartime bipartisan government, just like we made Mr. Netanyahu do?" No, he canceled elections; he canceled habeas corpus; he outlawed political parties. Do they ever say to the Ukrainians, "You've got to be proportionate; do not be disproportionate and start something?" No. Do they ever say, "When you go back—when you send drones into Crimea on bridges and highways to disrupt transportation of the Russian military, you've got to be very careful about collateral damage; you've got to have collateral damage?" Now, I—I think it's very sad that there's been 30s—maybe 30—we don't—thousand—we don't know how many people have been killed in Gaza. We do know there's somewhere between 7 and 800,000 dead, wounded, and missing Russians and Ukrainians. We're beyond the Battle of Verdun in World War I; we're getting close to the Battle of Stalingrad, and I haven't heard anybody in this Administration say, "We need a ceasefire right now." This is the largest carnage that we've seen since World War II, and it's right in Europe; we've got to do something. Seven, 800,000 people have been destroyed; 12 million people—28% of Ukraine has left the country; it doesn't even have 45 million; it's down to about 30 million; they're running out of manpower; they are destroying that country. I haven't heard anything—no ceasefire talk. And yet we say to the Jewish state, "Ceasefire; can't be disproportionate; got to have coalition government; you've got to—no collateral damage," and it's—it's bizarre. And everybody said, "Well, Russia started it; they went in there, so what do you expect Ukraine to do?" Yeah, I agree with that. And Hamas broke a ceasefire; what do you expect Israel to do?
100%. Uh, he's bringing up like basically the massive double standard that Jews have been facing for centuries, um, you know, specifically the Jewish state, Israel, has been essentially the—the—the number one, uh, objective on the UN's anti-Israel, uh, resolution list for years since its inception. I mean, you're talking about—compared to the rest of the countries in the world, Israel has had more than all of them combined. So that just tells you everything you need to know about the Jewish double standard.
And just want to finish off here—Megan Kelly makes a point—and by the way, there's not—there's not, uh, three dozen Americans dead—killed by design—by the Russians in that conflict, right? Like we—that's what we have here—as—took Americans, killed them, and still have five hostage. Great discussion by Megan Kelly and Victor Davis Hansen; he pointed out some great things there, some things I've been talking about for a long time. You're watching Jewish Uncensored. If you want to help us make more of these videos, you can go to buaccoffee.com/JewishUncensored. I'll leave that in the description below. And if you want to help us make more of these videos, also, uh, subscribe to the channel, share, like, and comment. Thank you, and have a good one.