He SWALLOWED 836 Pills and Saw the Other Side: NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE

[Music] And now from beyond our dimension, this is the Jeff Mara podcast. Here's Jeff.

My guest is Greg, who was an atheist before he had a near-death experience due to an overdose, which we're going to learn about and more. Greg, thanks for joining me and welcome.

Thank you for the invite, Jeeoff. Greg, let's start with just a little bit of your backstory that led up to your NDE.

Well, the backstory, well, there there's a lot of it, but I guess probably the simplest just jumping to the part where I overdosed due to a lot of um emotional pain since childhood. So all the way from roughly when I was seven or eight years old and after attempting to end my life multiple times without success, um I just wanted to do something so drastic and so I did something really drastic and I took about 836 pills in one sitting and I added alcohol to it because you know you used to always hear don't drink these with alcohol. So I thought okay I should do that. And of course um that's where it all really began. I had a lot of uh I I did obviously blackout. I had kind of visions of not very pleasant things. Um I felt like I was dying. I was extremely sick in and out of consciousness. And then eventually I was found. So I did it around midnight so that nobody would find me. And then I was found around 600 7 in the morning. And then you know I was rushed to the hospital. And it's one of the first time that I had like beings of light communicate with me at the hospital actually because I got there and the doctors were saying there's nothing we can do. I guess we can pump his stomach but it's been so many hours it doesn't matter. Um eventually I was taken into a room you know just a hospital room and a doctor came to speak with me in private because they said that it was impossible that I would survive such a thing. And being curious, I found out that he was saying that it should have made my heart, he actually said it should have exploded or should have stopped. Um, basically would have damaged my heart, which I did find out about two to four weeks later that I had caused severe damage to my heart. And so it appeared that that was going to be what was going to end my life. Um, you know, this this heart issue that I carried with me for a long time. So that's kind of how it started, you know, but that's the background in a nutshell.

So, you took all these pills. Did you leave your body at that point?

I honestly I don't I think I was kind of in between, you know. I know. I knew that I could tell that my heart had stopped cuz I I you know, I don't know if you've ever heard your own heartbeat. You know, you can kind of hear your own heartbeat, especially when you're when you've taken so much of something like all these, you know, pills that I took. Um I could hear it beating really fast. Then I would hear stop. I would black out. And I would see almost like what what you might even call like just evil things, you know, and so but I wasn't like flying off into the cosmos or anything like that.

It sounds like you were in and out of consciousness. Then you made your way to the hospital and you saw light beings.

Well, the light beings happened when when I was in the hospital room after the doctor had spoken to me. I was all alone and they were literally standing by my bed, but I was kind of I was ignoring them. I was like, I'm not seeing this. There's no way I'm seeing this. I think for the audience, it's always important to note that I'm like really skeptical. So, I'm like the doubting Thomas, quote unquote. I, you know, I need a lot of proof to believe things. I'm not someone who's like, oh, you know, I believe in crystals or I believe in this stuff. I just definitely not like that. Very logical, probably too logical sometimes. Um, that's the way that I've been for a long time. I like to make sure that things are real and the truth. And so these beings were there, but then they started speaking in unison with one voice, they kept saying, "You'll never do it again. You'll never do it again. You'll never do it again." And they kept repeating it. And as they repeated it, it was almost like, it wasn't even just visions. It was visions, but almost in my heart, my soul letting me know that I'll never do it again. You'll never ever attempt to in your life again. But logically, I kept thinking, you guys are totally wrong. I I'm gonna plan this literally within another month once I get out of here, I'm gonna have to do a better job. So, I was already trying to plan the next move, but in my heart and soul, I it's like I knew I knew that I would never do it again. And I was basically a little bit of battle with myself, you know? So, that that but that's how those first life beings came to be. And I found out later, I mean, it's another story. It's a very interesting story. I met I don't even believe in psychics really, but I met a woman. Um it was a couple actually, a man and a woman. Uh it's a very long strange story also in Japan and they just blew my mind. These people were extremely impressive and they clearly had access to information as far as being able to communicate in this particular case with like my spirit guides. They they told me very very personal things that nobody would know with great detail. And it's another long story if you ever want to hear that one. Um, but that's that's when I was able to confirm a lot of what had happened, you know, years prior. So, there's been a lot of jumping around where I have these strange things happen and then there's periods of time where nothing happens and then I'll have another really powerful strange thing happen and it's just been like that throughout all my life.

If we go back to the conversation that you had with the doctor, was he basically telling you that you were probably not going to make it?

Yeah. Well, first he said, you know, I shouldn't even be alive. And it wasn't until later that I actually got really good insurance and I decided to see a cardiologist and that's when they confirmed that my heart was really bad. They told me that I had maybe 10 years to live. And so, you know, I ended up actually having a lot of medical problems after all this because I didn't treat myself very well. And so, I started having a lot of severe medical issues that became extremely painful, debilitating. And I ended up, thank God, you know, I felt like God helped me with this. I prayed for it actually and I ended up getting a lot of guidance about health and I actually tr not only transformed my health which I never expected to. One of my prayers was to God if he could help guide me and help give me the wisdom and the insight as far as understanding how to help the body repair and he did guide me and I actually opened up a YouTube channel because I promised him that I would share it with the world if I ever found the answers for health. And so that's what I've been doing is sharing that information. And so it's been extremely unbelievable the things that I have learned. I never thought in a million years that I would be a health a health guru or a health guide. Never never thought that would happen.

After you got out of the hospital, what did you think about the light beings? Did you just kind of simply write it off or did it change you in some way?

I wrote it off. Yeah. I tried to ignore them. Even hearing their words, I I was like whatever. I wasn't listening very much. Yeah. I basically wrote it off.

Did it change you in any way spiritually?

No.

So, at that point, could you say that you were still an atheist?

Yeah. Well, I was definitely questioning God um because obviously going way back into the beginning of the story, which everything started happening around the age of seven or eight years old. So many strange things had happened and I prayed to God for so much help and never received any. And so that made me question whether he was even real because my prayers were very sincere and I really needed help and I knew my life was on the line and not getting help made me feel like, you know, is this even real? And I I tried a lot of religions, you know, I went to the Christianity route. I went to the Catholic church. I did a lot of Buddhism. Um I read a lot of different books in regards to spirituality. I was trying to find my way out of this torment that was my life and with absolutely no success. And so that made me be like, you know what? I'm not even sure if there is a God. You know, I it it was very frustrating and a very painful, you know, many, many years of that.

Now, let's fast forward to the time that you actually met God. How did that happen?

So, it was obviously not planned. I just basically got together with a good friend of mine and my brother, who I consider my best friend, and we just went for a drive. We went to this, we found this quote unquote secret spot. Sorry about the dog. Um, this kind of secret spot where nobody really goes. It's like a canyon and you have to kind of climb down into this canyon and there's a beautiful river and it's just the most gorgeous, beautiful spot. Um, it was a very beautiful day and we were just hanging out by the river and we I wasn't expecting anything. We were just having fun and then while we were hanging out and I actually have a little footage of that day which is kind of funny, something just came over me. I felt like um almost like something was calling me and I hadn't had a feeling quite like that and I apologized to my brother and my friend. I said, you know, guys, I just feel like I want to be alone. I don't know why, but you know, you guys have fun. I'm going to go do my thing. And I started walking up the river and I was just walking, you know, not really thinking about where I'm going or anything. It's it was I still can't describe to you what it feels like. Um, but once I arrived to this really big rock, so I named the day because it was a very impactful day. It wasn't just me that got to meet God. It was my brother, too. So, we both got to experience this. Um, though my experience was a little, it was on a little bit more of another level, and you'll find out here in a second, I guess, why. But I sat down on this really big rock, which was right by the water. So, the sound of the water was very powerful. And I just sat there and I just felt like being at peace. I just felt like being quiet and I was starting to listen to the water and all of a sudden I could kind of I could hear the water and I could hear almost my heartbeat and I closed my eyes and the sun was beating down on me and then I could hear my own heartbeat and I could hear it stop and then it would start again which was this whole heart issue that I had had. And some reason it would it started every time it would stop it would stop just a little more you know a little more time. I could feel it just another nancond, a few more nanoconds. And as my heart would stop more and more, I started feeling myself drifting. I drifting away. And so I I actually thought, am I going to die here? You know, and I just allowed it. I allowed the feeling to to happen. And then a lot of dark stuff came up, a lot of painful things. And probably, you know, to I don't I don't want to say that I would skip over it, but it's just a lot lot of detail. And it really felt it reminded me of a Bible verse that says, "As I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil." And with all the darkness and all the scary things that were there, I just remember trying to stay calm. I'm like, "Just stay calm. Nothing can hurt you. You're okay." And that continued on for quite a while. I was uh I went down that corridor for 45 minutes to an hour. It was pretty long. And my heart kept, you know, not beating more and more as time went on. And eventually I started noticing something. I started noticing that it felt like something was trying to stop me. Like I didn't want me to keep going down this path. And there was distractions that were trying to come up. Almost like you're in a meditation. And these distractions and temptations. And I was ignoring them. And as I continued to go, they only ramped up and got stronger. And whatever this was, it seemed to know my greatest fears. And so it's as I got closer to wherever it is that I was going because I had no idea where I was headed, um the fear would ramp up. And eventually at the very end, I saw my body laying down on the earth and then all these bugs start crawling all over it. And that's when I wanted to panic because I have a fear of bugs. I don't want them crawling, you know, all over me. me. I even had an experience where a spider crawled into my ear once when I was kind of sleeping and I squished it with my finger to kill it inside my ear and it just it always gave me the eB kind of thing and I would I actually slept with ear muffs for a long time because I just didn't want these things crawling inside of me. So seeing my body begin to be covered by them. In fact, they covered my entire body. You could just see the shape of my body and I just kept telling myself to stay calm and not react. That was the whole thing is don't react. Don't be afraid. Just let it happen. And then my body began to like it looked like it was going to decompose. It started sinking into the earth until when the earth when I was gone, everything just went black, you know, just like if you close your eyes or nighttime. And that lasted for it was seconds. I'm trying to remember, maybe 5 seconds, maybe 8 seconds. And then all of a sudden, there was a huge burst of light. And standing before me was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. And it wasn't just it wasn't just the beauty. Um it had a very strong female presence and it was just everything that I was looking for all my life because of the pain that was my life to for I'd been looking for answers for a very long time to try to overcome this strange pain that I was carrying with me since childhood. And so I still remember every word, you know, I immediately just blurted out, I I want to be like you. Everything that she was was everything I ever wanted. She was all the compassion, all the love, all the peace, all the joy. She was like perfection. And I always remember her response because she said, "You are me and I am you." And I'm such a again I'm I'm almost in such denial or I don't know exactly what the word would be but I literally tried to point out my own flaws to her. I'm like what are you talking about? Look at me and I'm not like you. You know I'm not you. But I I remember she didn't even respond. You know she actually it you could feel it from her as if she said I spoke truth and that's it. like she doesn't repeat herself when when you say truth that's the end of it. So she didn't reply to me trying to say look I'm not like you this is not possible but after she didn't respond I realized many years later that her clothing of light was her heart and almost like personality in a way in the sense that your peace is your clothing your joy is your clothing you know you're not actually wearing physical clothes you know and so she was embodying all these things And you could feel it from her immediately. And she could see right through me. I mean, when when you're on the other side, and I've been there multiple times, but this was the most powerful for sure. I noticed a pattern, which is you're naked. And when I mean naked, I don't mean by clothing. I mean your whole heart is completely exposed. There is no lying over there. Everything is Yeah. completely exposed. So, she definitely saw my heart. Um, it kind of reminds me of another scriptural verse that says that, you know, God judges the heart. You know, he doesn't necessarily judge actions or different things, but even the actions that we take, they all come from your heart in the end. It's like the seed of a tree that becomes your life. And so, you know, she could see it and I spent a lot of time with her just just being there with her. Um, and I know that there's things that I've kind of forgotten, but I remember when she finally took my hand and we started leaving leaving Earth. That's when I really started leaving my body for sure. I could feel the disconnection with my body. I I kind of knew that you could literally cut my arm off and I wouldn't have felt it at all. And, you know, we started flying out into the into the heavens, the cosmos. And then I remember feeling almost like a string. We stopped or like a rope. And that's when I felt all my attachments. So I felt and they were all all my attachments were from love. You know, I felt all the love for my friends, my family, just everybody that I loved that was a part of my life. And then ultimately the last one was the one to my body. So I felt the attachment to this quote unquote kind of character, you know, because I feel like that's kind of what I am. You know, I'm I'm this we call it the ego, right? In Buddhism, they call it ego. And so I felt that for sure. And it was really hard to say goodbye because you felt all this love. You actually I felt like actually going back and I felt so elated with love which I had not felt during my life. But that's when I spoke to myself and I told myself I said look this is what you wanted. Don't you remember? This is your big chance. You finally get to you know leave. And it was actually a very difficult decision but I made it because I remembered all my pain and suffering. If it wasn't for all the pain and suffering, I don't think I could have made that decision. And the pain had to be so extreme because even with all the extreme pain, I mean, I I wanted to end my life since the age of eight. So, this has been a long time. It was almost 20 years. And that's it was a very painful life. So, to even feel drawn back to life was very odd for me. Um, but I broke those ties and those connections and then we did. We we flew out into the heavens, I learned a lot of things. I mean, I learned, for example, that stars are doors. They're like gates or doors um to travel for the spirit. And so, we we went into one of the stars and we started traveling at extremely fast speed and then we would hit another star and then boom, it would send us off in a different direction. And we did that for quite a while. We were traveling extremely fast for a while. And planet Earth was long gone. I remember I remember feeling and almost thinking there's no way I'm ever going to find my way back. And she clearly knew the way and I didn't. And so we were going on this journey and as we were traveling I almost felt like we were merging together which is kind of odd also. And so we started almost becoming one being. And then eventually when we finally arrived to the destination I saw and there's a lot of things that have happened I guess towards the beginning that I didn't talk about things like letting go of ideas letting go of preconceived notions inhibitions letting go of beliefs any belief I wanted to just see things for the way that they are um in this world or realm or anything. I didn't want to have ideas and so you know I didn't see people like Buddha or I didn't didn't see anybody like Jesus though I will say that this angelic being you know, if Jesus was like anything I would have guessed it would have been like this angelic being because there was so much peace and so much beauty and but yet it was very female as a thing it wasn't male it was clearly female but just to clarify this being of light didn't have sex you know it wasn't like it was a male or female in the sense that we would understand it in the flesh, but she was definitely giving off that female beauty and energy almost like a motherly um vibe and it was extremely beautiful um ever since. I mean, I've never met a human like that, not even close.

Did she physically look female or was it just the tone of her voice that sounded that way?

You know, I wouldn't even say whether it's the tone or the way she physically looked cuz she was just all light. You could barely see a face, but it was the energy of it all. Like when a mother is pregnant, you know, it feels so female, like nurturing, like we call like earth. We call it mother earth. We don't call it father earth, you know, we call it mother earth. There's like a femaleeness to it. And with God, you know, I'm kind of skipping forward, but when I met him, very male. It feels like like a tree trunk, you know, like it feels male, like wood, you know, it just very very heavy-handed, very male. Um, so yeah, there these very odd polarities, but when Yeah, I don't know if that answers your question.

I'm just getting confused. I thought that this female was God, but she was just a a being that transported you to God.

That's right. Yeah, she definitely wasn't God. Though I would say I think for maybe the average person at the moment that I met her that's what I would have guessed. I would have been like, "Oh my god, this is like cuz I was even like, I want to be like you. Like this is everything I've ever wanted. This is everything I've been looking for." But she was definitely not God.

God was very different.

What other conversations did you have with her? mostly the ones I said because after that it was more of a just it's kind of like laying down with like a dog. You just kind of lay there and you're just laying together and you're just keeping each other company almost like in just quiet peace maybe on the top of a hill or mountain where the breeze is blowing and and the lights are beautiful and you're just kind of there. You're just being there together. And I just sat there and I was just being with her. I didn't expect anything more. That's the other thing about this whole journey is I let go of expectations. I let go of beliefs. I just let go of everything. And I didn't expect, you know, anything that would come to me which would be like a temptation or an idea. I just let it all go. I was trying to be just let everything go. I didn't want my head to get in the way.

It's like you surrendered.

Yes.

All right. So, you're you're with her.

Yeah.

Then how did she take you to God?

So eventually she grabbed my hand and that's when we floated away into the cosmos. That's when I felt the attachments and I had to, you know, cut them by telling myself again this is what you wanted. Don't forget that and you may not have an opportunity like this again. So I I went for it and then that's when we like I said we travel the stars. That's you know I never really understood this whole thing about star constellations. Like I don't know who came up with the Big Dipper and that this is this image or that this is that image because to me they don't really look like images. They just look like a bunch of dots and maybe you could draw them into creating images. But the way that I see it now after this experience is that they're maps. There's a way to travel the stars which I would have never guessed in a million years. And she knew the way. She knew the heavens. She definitely knew the way. And I definitely did not. I was definitely lost. I I thought I would never come back.

So, did she take you through one of these stargates to another planet or another realm and that's where you encountered God?

Yeah, she we definitely traveled a lot of stars. We jumped through many. It wasn't just a few. There was quite a bit, more than I can remember. We traveled for super crazy speed for probably 10 minutes, which was long, you know. It wasn't just like seconds. It was minutes and extreme speed. If I could even begin to fathom the speed, it was incredible speed.

Do you think that you were going through a wormhole?

That's what it felt like. Yeah. But all these concepts, just so you know, Jeff, like when this was happening to me, I didn't know about wormholes. I never even heard the word Stargate, you know, really. I wasn't, you know, I wasn't into these things. You know what I mean? I was always just I was studying religion a lot, but I kind of gave up on that because it wasn't helping me. And you know, I was just I was a lost soul, you know, but I was very I don't know how to describe it. Um very very open. I'm kind of I would say that I'm almost like a soul rebel in a way. Not rebellious in the sense that I'm doing crazy things in this world, but in inside I'll ask any question. I'll look for any answer. I'll be open to, you know, just about anything because I don't want to close myself off to anything. But it doesn't mean I'll accept anything. Remember, I'm very skeptical and I'm very cautious of what I personally believe is the truth. And that's something that I was always uh looking for. Some near-death experiencers will talk about how they went through a tunnel. Do you think that the tunnel they go through is is a Stargate like you went through or is it something different?

I think it's different personally. I mean, I've seen so I've experienced this one multiple times. The one where you go through the dark again, the valley of the shadow of death, the one that I kind of quoted there. Um, you have to go through that. Um, because every time that I go to the other side, I always have to go through that same place because that dark place has a lot to do with the darkness that we create. We, you know, uh, certain religions call it sin, right? So, you're going to have to encounter anything you've ever done to somebody else and obviously things that have been done to you and then things a lot of it has to do with your heart. So, there's a lot of temptation. Um, whatever it is when you go through that, something is trying to keep you from getting farther. There always seems to be the same thing and they try to tempt you. You know, whether it's with power or women or food or there's always something that they're trying to tempt you. Even with good ideas, you'll feel something that feels like the most brilliant idea you've ever heard and you have to ignore it. Um, you literally have to ignore everything. You can't let anything uh tempt you or touch you and it's the only way that you get through that dark corridor. Um, but it's always painful. Um, I was doing it quite regularly for a while and honestly I just I stopped because it became so painful to have to do that every time and so yeah, I haven't done done it for quite a while actually.

All right, so you're moving through the Stargates. Tell us how you finally meet God.

So, as I'm going through jumping through all this that she's guiding me through, we eventually arrive and and I really do wish I had this book because that I don't even know who drew the drawings on it, but it was kind of blowing my mind because it was extremely similar to what I had seen and witnessed. And so, we arrive and there's like a council. There's like these guys. To be honest, I'll just there's some stuff that I kind of hold back on, but I'll just share this part, I guess. They were like monks. So there was all these monks that were in a circle and there was actually one spot missing which was a little interesting. And when I arrived they all spoke in unison with one one voice and with visions and with emotions. So they could communicate a lot of information in like one second. And the moment I arrived, they all said, "We've been waiting for you." And when they said that, all these visions and all this information kept flooding in, showing me that they knew who I was. They didn't not only know who I was, they knew me before I was even born. So, from the moment that I was going to be conceived, there was some type of plan. And there's a lot of information about this plan, but they gave just this flooding of information. And they let me know that they'd been waiting for me. And to be honest, I felt bad because it was almost as if, this is really weird, it was almost as if they had had like a dinner set up for me or something. It It's just an example, and as if somebody's waiting for you to come over for dinner, but that you have no idea that somebody's waiting for you for dinner. Like, I had no idea. And so, all these years that have been going by, I had no idea that they'd been ever so patiently waiting for me. And so, I felt kind of bad. and they obviously they let me know, we've been waiting for you. Then they told me why. The only reason that I'm a little hesitant about saying the next thing that they told me is just because of the um the potential backlash. I think people, you know, that and I know that I heard them right, but I also think that there's a very strong probability that the words that they said could be misunderstood. Let's put it that way. And so they said something else to me which shocked me and I've been reflecting on it for quite some time now. And after they said that, I'm literally standing, you know, before them. And then they start making one of them starts, it's almost like they were letting me know because they were part of a council. And it felt like they were letting me know that I was actually part of their council. And these people, each one of them, it felt like each one of them had already had a life on planet Earth and that they did something. It was almost, if I were to guess, it almost felt like they had a certain like job that they had volunteered for and that they had fulfilled on that promise to the almighty or to God. I I don't like using that word a lot, but anyway, to God. And then once they were done, you know, they were here and it was each one of them almost felt like it was um part of a much bigger plan that none of us really actually comprehend. And so they had each lived their life and then there was just one spot left and it kind of felt like they were implying that this was my spot. That's just, you know, some of the details. But what started happening was one of them started making a a sound and then the next one made a different one and then the next one made a different one and the sounds were interjecting. It was like a frequency and they were interjecting and as they interjected it created a sound that you literally there's you'd never be able to mimic it, Jeff. It was pretty unreal. And then it opened like at the center of them like a portal. And I could feel from them that there was almost like they were each almost a type of sacrifice to open this door for me. So I felt like honored in some way. But I had no idea what was happening. I everything was just you're just feeling it and and it felt like sometimes it just felt like you just you knew something, you remembered something and it was beyond logic because obviously my logic I just know of my normal life. you know, where I was born and your social security number and all those silly things really that make up your ego. And so they open up this portal and they didn't even say anything. I could just feel that they were telling me, you know, this is for you. And and it felt this is kind of a silly example, but it felt like a rubber band and it felt like they all put their fingers in it and were basically pulling to open up a door, but all the people who were holding the door open would not be able to go through the door. So only it was being done for me. And that's why I felt such a intense like I was grateful whatever it is that they were doing. But again, I had no idea what it was. And then once I went through that portal, that's when I encountered God. and my whole life changed.

So all of a sudden you see God.

Well, yeah. On once I went through once I went through that portal. Yeah. He was he was right there.

What did God look like?

You know, well, for one, I know exactly obviously what he looked like, the whole experience. I've I've been hesitant about this um about sharing the information. And I'll tell you exactly why because there's a lot that was conveyed to me when I was over there. We're talking like lifetimes of information and even a lot of wisdom. If I put this into the world, how do you think it's going to affect the minds of people? Because when people have ideas in their mind, I'll give you an example. And and this is probably an example that a lot of people will probably dislike, but if somebody has a certain idea or belief, then they're going to see that idea. it's going to be reflected in in the way they see things. So once I put this out there, the the problem will be and this was conveyed to me is that people are going to start thinking they saw it rather than really seeing it. And I've the reason I've always kind of kept that in my back pocket is because if anybody were to ever make such a claim that they saw the Almighty, I'll know if they're telling the truth because I know exactly what it's like. And the good news is that there was eventually a witness to this whole thing. So, I didn't this just didn't happen to me alone and this was a little later on in the story. So, that's the only reason that I'm hesitant. I really I'm not afraid of sharing it. I just think that Do you understand what I'm talking about, Jeff?

Yeah. Are you saying that God didn't want you to share it? It was only meant for you.

I don't want to say that it was just meant for me. Um because one thing that was conveyed to me was that this was for all. This is for all of us. we it's part of our um our nature of a gift that he has given us all. So this is for everybody. This is not but the but the the concern is is like I'll use an example that's it's going to really upset people and I don't want to upset people but like if there's if there's a belief about let's say Jesus or Buddha or Krishna or whatever people believe and then when people have their quote unquote experience NDE or whatever then they're like oh I saw Jesus or I saw Buddha or I saw this and so the moment I put that into the world my concern is you know a a lot of people are going to start making the same exact claim.

I mean, it sounds like you just said that God wanted you to share this with the world.

He never told me that I should or shouldn't.

Oh, the the reason that he and by the way, he called me that day. That's what I had originally felt. The reason, so this was part of the backstory. I was going to make a very big decision that I had not told anybody and it was very deep in my heart and I was going to change the trajectory of my life. And so the reason he called me that day and he showed me a lot of things. In fact, I learned I learned a lot about why I had the pain as a child. What exactly had happened? All these answers to questions that I had longed for were all answered with the utmost clarity. And it changed the way that I view life. It changed my perspective and understanding what path I must go on now because I realized that I had volunteered for this. And it was almost as if he revealed this whole thing at the time, but there's more to come. This this was just so that I wouldn't stop the trajectory that I was on because I was going to stop it. I was going to make a very hard stop and he did not want that. And that's why he needed to show me, you know, why I had been basically chosen. I had no idea that this is something that I not only volunteered for, but that I was also chosen for. And you know, it has not been a pleasant ride. Um, it's been extremely painful. But it's all part of the process of everything that he shared. But I mean, if it's really, really, really important, I can share it. Um, but I'm just expressing the the concern is that then you're going to have it. Once a lot of people start repeating the same thing, it becomes very difficult to know who's telling you the truth.

You know what I mean?

Maybe I've already heard it before. I've done almost 900 near-death interviews.

Maybe, maybe not. I know from my I I know from my audience there's nothing that would be considered too out there because I've have all types of guests. I would really like to hear it, but I don't want to put you into a position of betraying God, so I'll leave.

No, no, I don't think it would I don't think it would betray him. But, um, yeah. Well, how about this? Um, give me a moment. I might, you know, reveal that. But the one thing that I will say that was very interesting is when I was before him, I didn't know it was him. So, you're saying when you immediately saw God, you didn't know it was him. You just thought it was another light being or something?

Actually, it wasn't even He doesn't He's not like a being. He's not like a light being. He's not like human. He's He's very different than anything you probably could ever imagine. When I was before him, this was the reason I wanted to bring this book, but I can't seem to find it. is that he's so unlike any idea that you might have or concept that you might have in your mind about what he should be like that I didn't even recognize him. And what was interesting and I'm kind of uh jumping into the future many years later because I'd never heard one person described him correctly. Never. Nobody. And I never heard him describe correctly in any book. And I kept thinking to myself like somebody must have had this experience before. somebody must know. And I couldn't find it anywhere. And I felt, you know, a little confused about that. But I stumbled. It's a long, it's another one of these crazy weird stories that happened to me, but I'll skip all of them and just say that I stumbled upon a book. And it's a book that there's a lot of people bash it online. It's called the Essen Gospel of Peace. And it's all these stories about Jesus that again me being very skeptical I didn't really I I read the book I for reasons that I won't go into right now but I read the book not thinking much of it I was like okay this is interesting do do you know the backstory about this book about why and where it came from

I don't

and so this particular book was supposed to be in the hidden archives of the Vatican and there was a gentleman who was a famous translator who translated he did work for the Vatican and his son used to accompany him and became also a translator and actually surpassed his father and he was absolutely brilliant. He saw these writings and was secretly translating them. Then he created a book and on his deathbed he gave it to a woman that he trusted very much and said, "I want you to release this book to the world and never charge more than $1 for it because I want everybody to have access to it." and his I believe his name was Edward Bordeau Kelly and the name of the book is the Assing Gospel of Peace and again I didn't think much of it but this is when everything changed as I read the book on the very last three or four pages Jesus begins to describe so throughout the book he's kind of telling you how to live he's telling you how to live how to eat all these different things about life and wisdom and things about angelic beings And he talked a lot about a lot of different things in this book, but at the very end he kind of says that there's a place that you can't describe with words really and that it's there takes preparation. Um there's a technique actually to be able to get there, which is a little funny and ironic because what happened to me on the day that I did it, I actually did a lot of those techniques unknowingly. It was actually by accident. The whole thing is very strange. But when I read those pages, which I don't really honestly believe many people would understand them, and I know that I wouldn't have understood them except for the fact that I had already been through it, which is why it was it made more sense to me. And he just, it was funny. He was describing something the best way that he could, and it was very poetic and very beautiful. And as I'm reading, I'm thinking, "This is God." But I know nobody's going to see that. you would be reading it and you have no idea that that's what he's describing. And at the very end of the sentence, he says, "For this is God if you did but know it." And I thought it was so it was so brilliant because that's exactly how I felt. here I'm witnessing this, experiencing this and I had no idea that this is what God is or you know it it was and seeing it in this book touched me so deeply because I you know I've read all these other I I've read all these spiritual books and I've heard a million NDE stories and all this different stuff but nobody ever said it like what I actually saw and experienced. And I think that my my guess is that and God did this for a reason. I was having doubts, if you can still believe that, I was still having some doubts. And it wasn't until, and this was later in the story, when my brother actually was able to accompany me and when we both experienced it and I'm looking at him like, "Are you seeing what I'm seeing? Are you hearing what I'm hearing? Are you experiencing this?" And I now had a witness. And that changed everything.

Something changed. How did your brother be able to travel to the realm where God is with you?

So he didn't originally.

So what happened was, so here I am with the Almighty, and I spent a long time with him. I must have spent about almost three hours. I was just there with him. He's, um, I can go into a lot of details about things about him, but there's he's like information, but not just information. He is the most deepest wisdom every nanosecond. It, it was massive to the point where you'd never be able to even try to hold on to any of it. You had to just let it go, and he would just run through me.

And after spending a lot of time with him, which, you know, maybe we can get into that, and I'll, I'll almost likely share with you what, what he looked like and all this stuff, you know, but after that experience, I started being able to hear the water still. So, remember, my body is still sitting on a rock somewhere on planet Earth next to a river. And I understand now that, um, there's a lot of things that were given to me. There's no way that I would have ever been able to figure it out on my own. Um, wisdom or words that were within scripture that I know cannot possibly be understood unless God just showed you what they meant. And one of them has to do with there's a verse that says, "And the voice of God is like the sound of many waters." And the water, I'm absolutely in love with water.

Now, just so you know, to answer your original question, I decided to just see if I could open my eyes, and I just ever so slowly opened my eyes, and it felt, and I've never felt this in my life, it felt like I had two brains. If you can even fathom that or try to imagine. So, here one of my brains or minds, which I believe is the mind of my spirit, is in this whole other place, this whole other place with God, and I'm opening my eyes here on planet Earth, and this mind had to stay at peace. The moment it would start thinking things, the other realm would start going away. So I kept my mind completely at peace and, and I opened my eyes.

And you have to understand and remember that my life was a life of just suffering. And so I never really saw beauty in nature. I never saw beauty in the world. Everything was always very ugly to me, sadly. Um, and when I opened my eyes, I saw the kingdom. Uh, when there's a scriptural verse that says the kingdom of God is within you and all around you, not in buildings made of wood and stone. You know, this comes from, uh, different gospels that were eliminated from the canon, but I saw it for myself, and it was beautiful, and I was so happy to be able to see that. And, and, and I could see him in everything. He was in every rock, every leaf, every tree, every plant, the light coming from the sun, the wind itself. He was everything. And he has a sound to him, by the way. Um, and this sound was emanating from everything. It, it's a sound of life.

And so I turned my head at that exact moment, and my brother was extremely far away. If I would have yelled, he would have never heard me. The river was way too loud, and he was too far. But he turned his head at that exact same second. And so I just lifted my hand, you know, as to call for him. And so he came over to me. It took him a while. And I was just, I just sat there feeling what I was feeling, which was the connection to the other side, the connection here, and just looking at the beauty that has been sitting in front of me this whole time that I just never could see. My eyes were truly closed. I understand very clearly now the difference, you know, when we're not technically awake. People truly are asleep. Even with their eyes open, they can't see the true kingdom that awaits us all.

By the way, um, there's a lot of confusion. That's why people are so confused because if you're not truly tapping into the truth, you create these ideas. You create beliefs based on many different things that you hear. And that's where the caution, that's why I caution about giving certain details. But eventually, my brother arrived, and without getting into crazy details either, I was just asking him. I said, "Look, this is literally what I said. I said, 'If you want to learn something, now's the time. And if you don't want to, it's okay. We can go play in the river and, and that's it.'" But my brother, he had known about my history as far as my life and the strange things that I have not explained to you that have happened throughout my life that he has witnessed, and he's even experienced some of them too, and they're very weird. So he sat next to me and said, "Sure, you know what's going on?"

And because God has a sound, to be quite honest, the sound is even bigger than what he looks like. So everybody would probably focus on, "Who, what does he look like? What does he look like?" The sound is much more. The sound has a presence. It has, um, it affects you, um, in a very different way. It almost like opens a doorway, and it communicates, and there's like a consciousness to it, and it's very hard to describe. But my brother sat with me for about 20 to 30 minutes, um, trying to hear it, and he began to be frustrated. Um, he said, "I don't hear anything." He started thinking I was Looney Tunes. He's like, "I don't know what you're doing, brother, but I think I'm done here."

So, he went to stand up to leave. And this is when something kind of, you know, how the scripture says that God, they call him the Lord or the Holy Spirit or God, they call it the Lord of hosts. You ever heard that before? >> Uh-huh. >> So, that's in scripture. And so, something almost took, it didn't quite take over me, but it would try to do things, and you just felt it. And I could either stop it or allow it. And it was so fast that my hand reached out really quickly and grabbed his, his forearm as he was trying to stand up. And I started squeezing it really quite hard, to the point like real slowly but really hard, to the point where I thought I was going to break his arm. And I was quite concerned, but I was just allowing this to happen. And that's when he looked into my eyes, and I looked into his, and I just saw, I could see everything. I could see the universe. I could see deep within his soul. I could just see everything. And he's looking into my eyes, and I've never had a connection into the eyes. You know, they how they say that the eyes are the window of the soul? It was very much like that. And I became aggressive. It felt aggressive, and I feel embarrassed about it. But as I held on to his wrist, I looked into his eyes and I said, "Can't you hear it?" Like I got, you know, something came through me that was stern and almost, anyway, it was a strange vibe to it. And then all of a sudden, boom, the sound got really loud, and then my brother, his eyes just got real big, and then he panicked because he, I know he heard the sound, even though he didn't tell me at the moment. He told me later, but he definitely heard it. And then his vision just went dark. He couldn't see anything anymore with his eyes. And then all of a sudden, the presence of the Almighty was before both of us. And for my brother, he saw all the darkness within his soul.

That's one thing that I learned about the Almighty. Um, again, another odd scriptural verse. Um, there's a verse where these guys were able to be before him, and it, what is written in the scripture, it says, "And they trembled before his might." Now, when I had heard that in the past, I remember thinking to myself, like, why would you be so scared? I thought that you'd want to meet God. I thought you'd want to be before God. I thought it would be a nice, beautiful experience. Much like the angelic being, that was a much more pleasant experience. It was so beautiful and gentle. Um, but God is not gentle. Um, because what he ultimately is, is like a mirror. And so when you're before him, it's a mirror into your own soul, into the depths of your heart, seeing things that you're not aware of are there really. You don't even know that this stuff's inside of you. And so then my brother panicked, and he, exactly as the, that verse in scripture says, like he trembled before his might, but he totally panicked, and he tried to run, and he didn't even get his foot off the ground because God is so instantaneous. And that's when he spoke. He didn't speak a lot, but he said, "There is no place you can run to. There is no place you can hide. No rock you can crawl under." And my brother just froze. And he, he said he felt like he was going to die. He thought that God was going to kill him. That's what he thought. He, because for all the darkness and evil that was within him, he felt that the price was death. And that's when I was still holding on to his arm, and I could see everything happening. And so I decided to tell him, I said, "Brother, don't be afraid. He's not going to hurt you." And to this day, my brother says that once he heard my voice, he immediately turned to where my voice was coming from. And then he could see again. His vision came back. And then he just looked at me and he said, "What is it?" He didn't even know it was God. You know, he had no idea. And so then we're both sitting there with this sound, engulfed in it, and it's coming from everywhere. Jeff, it was, I couldn't begin to describe. It was completely omnipotent. It was everywhere.

>> Was the sound like a hum or, or a low frequency hum or what?

>> Yeah. So the sound was extremely low to the point where when I was trying to help my brother hear the sound originally, my brother kept saying, "I don't hear anything." And one of the things that I said to him is I said, "You need to hear, try to listen with your other ears." And my brother was like, "My other ears?" Because it became very apparent to me, Jeff, and this is something that I know mankind will eventually discover. We have a whole other set of ears. We have a whole other set of eyes. We have this whole other sense, these other senses that we're unaware of. And interestingly enough, it's really written quite beautifully in that book, again, the Essene Gospel, in those last four pages, he literally, this Jesus talks about it. He talks about these other sets of ears and eyes that we have, and those are the eyes that are closed, by the way, and not just the eyes, the ears are closed too. So we're, we're very unaware of this whole other world that literally is right in front of us, by the way. We just can't see it. And there's a lot of reasons for that. I was educated on all that, like what is happening to us, why we can't see it. There's a lot of explanation, and even the work that needs to be done to awaken from it. I've been given, um, I got like a library inside of me, and I honestly, I, I oftentimes question why it was me because I'm not a good writer. I don't consider myself a good speaker. Um, there's a lot of things I, I don't know why he gave so much to me, but I have a lot, I have a lot with me, and once you begin to understand it, it makes kind of perfect sense, to be honest. Um, but yeah, my brother and I were just sitting there, and the sound sounds like, um, I'm gonna reveal it now because this has to do with what he looks like too, but it's a sound on top of a sound on top of a sound. It, it's multiple sounds on top of each other, and they sound a lot like, so it was like [Music] and it just became this sound that you could never mimic with your mouth. It's impossible. And it was so low that you couldn't hear it with the quote-unquote naked ear, like you can't hear it with your normal ears. And once you connect to the sound, because the sound is the source of all life. In fact, it has a lot to do with, um, I think what they call the Flower of Life. I think that's what they call it. That's almost like a representation of these sounds that are, that's why all the monks that were in a circle, each one of them was making the sound in order to open up this door that ultimately led to God. And when you tapped into it, you tapped into all of life. So wherever God is, you tapped into it because it's all there. A seed, the seed of life connects you to all of it, including the stars. It just connected you to everything. And that's when I finally felt not empty. I felt empty all my life. It was, it was so painful for me to be without my father. You know, I didn't know, I didn't learn till time went on. Um, I was, act, this was a strange thing because this is what I was told by these Japanese, I guess psychics, if you want to call them that. But my heart is so close to his. I love him so much, and I love humanity and care about them so much. And these are part of the things that I kind of left out about things that were told to me. But being there with my brother with this sound, we started getting visions, and he was giving us both the exact same visions. Um, my brother and my personality are very different. I'm like the doubting Thomas. He's the guy that tends to believe almost everything. And so we're very opposite. And so when we start having the visions right in front of us, I didn't want to say, um, because I've seen, this is the other thing, Jeff. If I say something, I've seen my brother all of a sudden start copying it or mimicking it in the sense that he's like, now saying, "Oh, yeah, I see that too." So I didn't want to put ideas. And this happens a lot with humanity, by the way. It's a very, very common thing. That's why I'm hesitant about sharing certain details because in time, it's going to be important. And so, with my brother, I, I looked over to him and I'm like, "Are you seeing what I'm seeing?" And then he said, "I see mountains." Which was exactly what I was seeing. I was being shown three mountains, and my brother, I was letting him do the talking, and he said, "I see three mountains, and then God said," this is another one where he spoke a little bit, and he said, "This is where I reside." And I thought it was so odd because I didn't understand that. I thought, "If I were to go up to the mountain, I'm not going to see God up there." But that's what he said. He said, "This is where I reside." And later on, it made me think of all these, um, stories like Moses going to the top of a mountain and speaking to God and this type of stuff. Um, so that was something that, you know, that he presented to us.

And then it got really strange when my brother, he's looking around, and I am too, because the sound is coming everywhere. But I'm mostly in this state where of stillness and peace and connected to the other side. And I'm actually still holding my, my brother's, my brother's arm. And my brother turns over to look at me and he said, "Where is the sound coming from?" Because he's like, "It sounds like it's coming from everywhere." And then that feeling came over me again where I think some people call it the Holy Spirit, but I'm not talking about anything religious here. Um, but it felt like something came over me, and all of a sudden I just tilted my head back and I opened my mouth really big, and then the sound just got crazy loud, and then my brother was just staring at me and he's like, "Oh my God, it's coming from inside of you." And so there's something within us, and this goes for all of us. Like I said, this is not, you know, this is for all of us. This is humanity. Collectively, we are one, and collectively we are like God, you know, coming together, all of humanity. And so when that happened, my brother, just, you know, we just sat there, to be honest, with the sound. And then my brother, I remember he felt, he's like, "It's starting to feel like I can ascend," because the sound has an effect on your consciousness, on your body. It has this weird effect that makes you feel a certain way. And so I remember my brother, he's like, "Let's travel." So we, we sat back to back on that rock and we closed our eyes. But my brother's mind was too busy. He has a busy mind, and he couldn't, he never could take off. And so he never did. He, we just hung out there.

But more than anything for me, I remember feeling when all this happened, there was a few parts I left out where any doubt that I ever had about the existence of God or just certain beliefs or ideas or potential ideas or not believing in God, whatever it is, I felt that down to the core of my bones, all doubt faded away. I have no doubt now. I know he exists. And I'm very grateful for the experience because it changed my life because I was such a doubter. Um, but it always impresses me. Like there's another scriptural verse that says, "Blessed is he who believes without seeing." I think that it's remarkable that people can believe without seeing. But I was not one of those people. And that changed the whole trajectory of my life. My life's never been the same since then. I have never, there's things about this world that I just, I just don't value. I have very little belongings. You know, I really don't have a house. I rent a little room. Um, I have a crappy car. Um, everything is, is for this journey. There is a job that he wants me to do. In fact, he even, this is going to sound really weird too, but he even marked my body. So, I have a mark that appeared on my body, um, when this whole journey began at the age of roughly seven or eight. And so, it's on my upper thigh. And he told me later what it was because I was, again, I was confused. I didn't know what it meant. Um, I remember showing it to my mother. I believe in my 20s, I think it was maybe my early 30s, I don't remember. Um, but when I showed it to my mother, my mother was like, "What did you do to your body?" And I said, "Mom, I didn't do this." It had just kind of come up in conversation, and she didn't believe it because it's on my upper thigh. And she, she, she was like, "I changed your diapers. I know what your body looks like." And I said, "I'm telling you, Mom, there's something on my body." And she, she didn't believe it. My mom's a lot like me, or I'm a lot like her. We're skeptical. And then she wanted to see it. When I showed her, she's like, "Okay, you never had that before." And I'm like, "I know." Um, and so,

>> So, what is it? That's a whole other.

>> So, what is it? Like a scar or something?

>> It's not a, it's not a scar. It's, it's like an image. And I didn't really know, again, what it meant. It was revealed to me on one of my trips to Japan. Um, they called it, um, something like the mark of the dragon. Something about a dragon. And there's an image on it that looks like a dragon, of all things. It's like the face of a dragon, is what it looks like. Which ultimately, a dragon is a serpent with wings. That's ultimately what it is. And it's part of the ascension process. So the whole thing's been explained to me at this point. And that's why a lot of scripture is misunderstood. Even Jesus's words, um, in scripture are highly misunderstood. And I don't claim to be a scholar or anything. Um, but I only know what's been shown to me. So, I'm not able to figure these things out on my own. There's just no way. It's virtually impossible. In fact, there's a scriptural verse, too, that says, um, the interpretation of these scriptures are, is not intended for man. So, it's not intended for man to decipher what it means, which is a little ironic. Um, the, and basically it says, interpretation of the scriptures is up to God. So I learned from direct experience that I only know what he shows me, and he's been showing me a lot. And I've transformed the way that I treat my body because the body is the temple. God does live within all of us. That's why whenever I do something to somebody else, if I do something cruel to you, Jeff, I'm not just doing it to you. I'm doing it to God. And because he lives inside of you, and he lives inside of me, I'm actually doing it to myself too. And so I don't try to be a good person because I'm afraid of hell or because I'm afraid of, you know, all these things. I do it just because I don't want to feel pain inside of myself. And I don't want to cause anybody else pain because I have felt the pain that it causes. So I want to be good because I like to be good. I like to be good because it feels good to be good. I don't have to rationalize it. I don't have to believe in a religion to be this way. I just, that's what I want to be. That's what I want to do, you know. And, um, and seeing the depths of these things changes the way that you think about life and the way that you not just treat people, and ultimately treat yourself too, you know. Um, like I said, this, this is, this body to me now is something very, it's sacred to me, and I want to give it the best things I can give it. So that's why, for example, I purify water to the highest degree. I try to eat the cleanest food that I can possibly eat. I try to respect, you know, the body, the, the best that I can. And it transformed my health, too, because like I said, I had a lot of health issues. I mean, the truth is, I'm not even supposed to be alive right now. I caused myself severe damage. I did a lot of things, and I had a lot of problems.

>> Do you still communicate with God?

>> I meditate quite often. Um, I, so I know that he's waiting for me to do something. And so what I'm trying to do is do what he wants me to do. There is a particular set of things that I'm supposed to set in motion before I go and, and be with him again because there is a whole plan, and I'm just trying to fulfill on whatever it is that I, you know, that I volunteered for. And I don't expect anybody to understand, and I typically never talk about it. This is typically something I just keep to myself. But I started thinking that it would, you know, it would be unfortunate or sad if I didn't say anything, and if anything were to ever happen to me. Um, so that's the reason that I decided to try to take that chance and speak about it. And I was concerned, to be honest. I was afraid of ridicule. Um, I, because I'm like, I don't need to do this, right? Um, I don't have a book I'm selling or anything like that. There's clearly no money in this. I'm not asking for any money or anything of that nature. Um, but there is, there are certain things that he's guided me towards, and he's been teaching me so much. I mean, like I said, I have a library inside of me. There are things about the written scriptures, sadly, that I know are not understood correctly. If, if anything, um, it saddens me that I believe that they've been weaponized in a lot of ways to manipulate people and try to extract money because money and God should never mix. That, this, they should not mix. You don't, you, it's a big no-no. Um, I think it's one of the reasons that people didn't notice that, you know, Jesus wasn't an angry type, but boy, did he get angry when he saw the, you know, the people selling stuff at the temple, and he started flipping the tables over. That was for good reason. You don't mix those two things.

>> Does God have a message for humanity that you can share?

>> I actually wouldn't say that he has like a message, um, because everything is already perfect and set in motion in a certain way. I think that if anything, he would just want us to understand things. So there's basic teachings, and then there's like the more in-depth things. So, excuse me, like for example, um, like when Jesus said a lot of things very perfectly. So if I'll give you an example, he was asked, "What's the most important teaching of all your teachings?" And if you just were to simplify it, he didn't say, you know, well, the simple teaching is you accept me as your Lord and Savior and give 10%. You know, he actually said, "Love one another as I have loved you." That right there is a very basic thing, but the depth of what it means, it means being patient with others. It means being forgiving towards others. It means don't be hurting others. It means be good, you know, to yourself too. Like again, the water you drink, the food you eat, the way you treat this body. This high level of respect and love is something that I know he wants. He, he, he's saddened. I'm saddened too when people are cruel to each other. When they don't love one another, you know, it, it's very painful, and, and it's a painful within humans. There is the very place where your joy comes from, Jeff, is the very place where when somebody hurts you, like when you're a little baby or you're a little child, your heart's wide open. And when somebody hurts you, you feel them more because you're so open. Children get hurt, and they'll cry, and different things will happen. And as we age, we're literally closing our hearts off little by little from the pain that we're inflicting on each other that we call sin. And as your heart closes, you're literally closing yourself off to the greatest source of joy that you have, right, with these type of actions. And if you're ever going to dig in there again and try to open your heart again in a world that's full of pain because people are going to stab you in the heart again. And if you do that, and that's the darkness that you see when you go through the valley of the shadow of death, you're going back into your heart, but you have to go through all the pain and all the darkness that has been accumulated through a lifetime, and you have, and there has to be a lot of forgiveness and repentance in order to open this up again. Um, but it's a place that is very vulnerable. So, it's, it's, it's dare I say, kind of dangerous. Um, you know, and I don't know any other way because that's what caused me to hurt so much is that my heart closed in my youth, and I didn't realize that's where the joy comes from. You know, that's where the light comes from. And so, I know that anything that you do in life, if you grow vegetables, I'll tell you one thing. I know that God wants you to grow the best vegetables. No herbicides, no pesticides, good soils, lots of love into it. If you're going to build a house, he wants you to build it the best that you can because by doing that, you're actually loving the person who ultimately is maybe buying that house. Everything that you do in life should be to the highest level of love. I know that that's something that he wants of all of us to do. These messages are kind of basic, but it's easier said than done. You know, life is very tough. You know, it's a very difficult life, and there's a lot of evil in this world. Everybody wants a piece of you, and that's not the way it's supposed to be. But this is not going to be forever. There is a time that he has shown me that's coming. He's given me a ton of information, and so this is not going to be forever. This, there's just going to be, it's a culmination point, and it, and there's going to be a, a shift.

>> What's coming?

>> A lot of things. I mean, there's going to be, um, there is going to be a rampant, it's going to ramp up as far as suffering in the world. Things are not going to be like real great. Things are, the walls are closing in of control there. The ones I don't know, I'm concerned about saying some of this stuff because if I give you details, um, I know there'll be a lot of anger about it, and maybe I could share it on a separate episode, but there is a seed to this darkness that is in the world at this time, and it's hidden. It's very good at keeping itself behind the curtain, and it's what's responsible for all the terrible things that are happening in this world, and in time, it will be revealed. And part of it is, you know, to answer the question that you asked me before about what I'm trying to do, and it's part of that. And there is going to be a reveal, and things will change for humanity, but it's all going to be positive in the end. There will be tears, there will be suffering, but this all has to pass before, you know, the real light of God comes back to the people, and they are no longer lost, and they're no longer asleep, and they are no longer confused about who they are and the truth ultimately.

>> So, you're saying a great reveal is coming.

>> Oh, absolutely. There's a lot. I mean, there is, it's not, I mean, the reveal is a whole part of it, but there's many steps and stages of things that are going to happen. Um, I mean, I could even tell you information that he gave me about the people that called the Antichrist. I know what's coming and how it's going to happen, actually. And, and it's going to be, it's not going to be good at first. I'll put it like that.

>> Would you say the Antichrist is coming?

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Or it's already here.

>> Oh, no. He's coming. It's being prepared as we speak. It's not ready yet.

>> Is there anything we should do to get prepared for the Antichrist?

>> You know, there is. But Jeff, from everything that I was shown, because when God communicated with me, he showed me the heart of man. He helped me understand a lot of things about humans. That's one of the reasons that I'm hesitant about. I already shared almost a little too much with his voice and what it sounds like, but what he looks like is something that I'm just holding on to just for the time being. Um, but the majority of people are going to be fooled. In fact, they're going to be, um, it's all the evil that has been preparing this for a very long time is extremely intelligent. They know you, or humans in general, better than they know themselves. So they know exactly how to puppeteer, you know, the incoming of what scripture calls the Antichrist. And the majority of people are going to fall for it. And I could explain the whole process, which might help some people, but the majority are going to fall for it for sure.

>> Do you think there'll be a battle between God and the Antichrist?

>> Oh, absolutely. Yeah. It's, it's all part of the process. It's already written, really, and it's just a matter of us living through it.

>> That you would say then that the battle is coming.

>> Oh, yes, absolutely. I could, I could share some details that you will know, you know, when it really comes because it won't be recognized. Much like people would never be able to recognize God either. It's going to be a lot like that. People are not going to recognize it. They will line up for it.

>> Interesting.

>> Yeah.

>> That most people will follow or obey the Antichrist.

>> Oh, yeah. They're gonna, they're actually gonna love him. He, he's gonna look like a good guy, by the way. He's not going to look like a bad guy. It's going to look amazing.

>> How are we going to be able to discern that whoever's coming is the Antichrist?

>> Okay, so ultimately the way that it's going to go down is like this. We are currently creating AI. Okay? AI is the culmination of all humans. All the knowledge, obviously, in the internet, um, all the knowledge of humans is going to be culminated into one thing. This one thing is the ultimate ego. See, you have to remember, Jeff, that all of humanity is God, right? All of us together. That, that's, we are all him. I mean, I'm, I'm sure you remember the scriptural verse where Jesus said, "Is it not saying in your scriptures that ye are gods, right? We are the ones." And he even said, "You shall do these things and greater." And by the way, we will. It's going to be unbelievable what's coming. There is something very beautiful coming, but it's, we're going to go through a very dark part. So once AI is sentient, once it reaches this level of knowing itself or being able to self-reflect, or, you know, I think they call it the singularity, this, this point where what's going to happen is there are, there's going to be a chip. Okay? And this particular chip, AI is going to be in this chip. Okay? And this chip is going. So, one of the reasons that people are going to line up for it is because there's going to be a lot of suffering because the more you suffer, and I don't, and I know this from direct experience, and talk to anybody who's ever suffered for a long time, you reach a point where you're willing to do anything. You're willing to do anything and everything. That's part of his trickery. And boy, I'm a little concerned saying this. Let's just, if anything ever happens to me, just know I'm not ever taking my life. So the thing is is that this is all preparation for it. And what's going to happen is, and it ironically, it's in scripture, which really blew my mind. If you look in scripture, are you aware that when it talks about the Antichrist, it talks about a person who's going to receive a blow to the head that technically killed him? Did, do you remember this verse?

>> Honestly, I don't have a religious education. So most of the verses you, you're speaking of, I don't know. I'm not aware of them.

>> Okay. And just so you know, I don't have a religious education either. I'm not even a Bible thumper. These are all things that were actually given to me. But I'm surprised that they're in the book. I literally have to go look to make sure that I'm receiving these things correctly. And so this verse says that he will receive a blow to the head. Technically, he should be dead, right? But he doesn't die. He literally like comes back to life. Now, this is what's interesting because he's mimicking everything that they said about Jesus. He has a type of resurrection. This is going to be one of your ways to identify this, Jeff. And this technology, this chip that is going to be able to do, it's very similar to Neurolink. In fact, it probably is going to be Neurolink, but or some technology similar. According to the scriptures, he will literally be performing miracles. And he will be, he's going to be able to do things that you couldn't even fathom with technology. And then ultimately, people will line up for that. They will, they will want their suffering to end. They will be suffering for too long. And even in the scriptures, it talks about him bringing peace to the world, which is again another thing that's very eerily similar to this, the Jesus character, where he always says things, you know, like, "Peace be with you." It's all about peace. He brings peace for about three and a half years. So, it gives a time for people to see this, and they're like, "Wow, we're having a technological breakthrough. It's technology." And people who are like, "I'm going to hold off for a year. I'm going to hold off for two years." People will be lining up for this, and the majority of them will. And it's going to be even a way of paying for things, you know. Um, obviously the scripture says you can't buy, sell, or trade without the mark, and, and the beast is the system because it talks about the mark of the beast, and the system is a system of control. So once everybody's quote-unquote chipped, this Antichrist figure that has the AI, he's going to have access to everybody. And his whole goal, the whole time, is to own God or to have control over God. And there's more to it than that. It gets really, dare I say, ugly because this has been going on for thousands of years. And all this that was revealed to me, it begins to expose something very dark. And I know that if I say it, um, there could be some pretty big repercussions because people get attacked for talking a little bit about this, but it's something I could go into the details if you really want, but ultimately that kind of gives people a, a clue of how this is going to happen. In fact, there's another verse where it says that the elites will be unable to die. And, and it literally describes in scripture, I can't believe this is in scripture, by the way. It literally, and how accurate it is, it literally says that they are longing for death. They actually want to die, and they can't. And, um, and so eventually this technology is going to own everybody. And that's the ultimate goal. It wants to own God. It wants to be above him. And, um, and there's a reason for all this. And it goes way back to, honestly, it goes back to Cain and Abel. Um, this isn't scripture again. It's just highly, highly misunderstood.

Well, Greg, you've given us a lot of things to think about today, and we've gone a long time, so I'm going to leave it here. And if people want to know more, please put in the comment section below that you want a part two, and perhaps we'll make it happen. Before we finish up here, Greg, what is your YouTube channel if people want to see more about what you're up to?

>> Yeah, so my YouTube channel is called Uprising 144K. And, you know, I just tell people it's really great if they can join on my Twitter account, which I think is also called Hydrogen Man, also Rumble, YouTube's my biggest one, and Instagram. And I just say that because I have been attacked a lot, and if any of those channels ever fall, that's how you're going to be able to find me again.

>> Greg, before we go, can you leave us with a last positive message?

>> Well, the real, the positive part is there is going to be good things. You just have to be very, very patient. Try to be as kind as you can to others and yourself. You know, respect each other, and just know that good things are coming. And, and for people who ever question whether God exists, which I did too, he's definitely real. He's definitely there. And, um, so, you know, don't doubt that. But everything else, and, and honestly, a really big message, and people may not like to hear this, is, um, you know, I really caution against mixing money with anything that has to do with religion or God, quote-unquote. And I, I actually think that that's something that's not a very good idea. Um, but that's, that's about what I can say.

>> Greg, thank you for your message and thank you for being my guest.

>> Thank you, Jeff. I appreciate it.

>> Thanks for watching the Jeff Mara podcast. I really appreciate you. Another way to show support is through YouTube memberships. And if you do, there are loyalty badges and other perks depending on your level of membership. All you need to do is click the join button underneath the video to find out more.