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Brian Shapiro vs Turning Point MAGA Student — HEATED Debate

Pushing The Limits13:54

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Where does this go for the Iranian people?

>> It's a good question. Um, it's the best question you've asked me. I'm glad you didn't ask me about my outfit again. I'm glad. Um, no, it's a good question.

So, I think it's a very difficult question to answer. I think what most Americans would say, and I don't speak for most Americans, but most Americans like you and me didn't want this war to happen. Right? Of course, in a perfect world, we'd want a new regime, right? In a perfect world, we want a regime that is good to their own people, good to America. leave Israel alone. That would be in a perfect world. But we all know that's not going to happen. It's certainly not happening now.

And this is what's what's sad to me, right? There's in thou, as you know, thousands of innocent people in Iran that have lost their lives. Innocent people in Israel that have lost their lives. We're losing American soldiers. Why? And I would have thought Republicans would have learned their lesson after the George W. Bush days. But at least George W. Bush went to Congress first. Donald Trump hasn't even done that. And then he lies about the 175 children that we massacred and he said it was Iran and tomahawk missiles. Iran doesn't even have tomahawk missiles.

>> That's what Israeli state TV said. By the way, that wasn't what Trump initially reported. He was reporting from Israeli state TV.

>> So Donald Trump gets his intelligence from Israeli TV. Boy, that speaks volumes about the guy.

>> I mean the I mean the MSAD has a lot more intelligence than the CIA.

So you think so you think anything that our president sees on Israeli TV he should say in a press conference the next day?

>> That's not what I said, Brian.

>> But that's what he did. That's what he did. That's what he did, dude. That goes It's about personal responsibility. War is really horrible. Innocent people lose their lives and sadly mistakes are made. This was a terrible mistake. You get in front of the American people the next day because Pete Hexath and Donald Trump knew it was us. We're the only people that are involved in this war that have Tomahawk missiles. And you say, "You know what? This was a terrible mistake." Yes, we were responsible and said he lies.

>> I have to disagree with you, Brian. I think Israel was the one that spearheaded this war.

>> Well, then guess what? Who do we blame for getting into the war with? Then you're saying if you And by the way, partially I agree with you. I am anti-Israeli government. Partially I agree. But guess what? You cannot convince me that we would have gotten into this war if we had somebody else in there on the left. I'm sorry. I just I I I I don't think so.

And that's an okay position to have, but it would simply not be true because any leader, Democrat or Republican, would be swayed into this war because it was a slow buildup. Right? We heard it before. It's a slow buildup. The culmination of four years before is going to affect what's happening now, right, Brian? And that situation in the Middle East with the bombing of innocent civilians in Gaza and that whole mismanagement of that entire Gaza Strip has led us to this point because that is what Iran is mad about because they were funding Hezbollah into southern Lebanon into the Gaza Strip into the West Bank.

>> I disagree with you. That was their apparatus.

>> I respectfully disagree with you. I think one of the main reasons why we uh that why Trump decided to do this, he had multiple conversations with Vladimir Putin uh the week before the war. If there's anybody that's had more financial gain in this war thus far, it's Vladimir Putin, who by the way, Donald Trump has coddled to, rolled out the red carpet for him in Alaska

>> allegedly.

>> Uh, what do you mean? He was in Alaska.

>> Well, no, no, sorry. You were just talking too fast. I was saying uh coddled to President Putin.

>> You think he's been tough on Russia?

>> I think he's a lot tougher than people think.

>> What? Name me one name me one sanction.

>> Uh, I mean, I'm not going to name off the You have to keep some entertainment value here, right?

>> Cuz there's Cuz there's not any. Uh,

>> no. They actually are weighing sanctions on Russia. Name me onection

>> with Iranian oil.

>> Okay. Well, name me one. Iranian oil. Do you realize Do you realize the sanctions that were lifted recently? Are you aware of the sanctions that Donald Trump just lifted last week?

>> Absolutely. I know you're not in the know about it, but it's okay.

>> Okay. What do you mean?

>> You can be wowed about it.

>> What? How am I not in the no? I just

>> Does Russia not buy any Iranian oil?

>> What do you mean? Wait, hold on a second. You said I'm not.

>> You acted confused when I said that Russia and Iran

>> I'm not confused at all. trade oil between you know what else they trade intelligence. What do you think about that?

>> Intelligence. KGB.

>> Yeah. What do you think about Vladimir Putin

>> trading intelligence with Iran and putting our soldiers in harm's way?

>> We trade intelligence with our allies. Okay. That's not necessarily a hill to die on. It happens all the time, Brian. That's not a new warfare.

>> It's not a hill. It's not a hill for us to die on, but it is a hill sadly for some of our soldiers to die on. And Donald Trump

>> because Israel dragged us into this war.

>> And and and who dragged us into it? Who who who was the one who made the ultimate uh decision to do so?

>> I would have to say Israeli intelligence pointing to our intelligence agencies that Iran

>> person who is the person in America,

>> right? It's not just one person. We're talking about countries.

>> Who is the person in the United States of America that made the final decision on whether we go to war with Iran? Who did that?

>> Okay. So, you're narrowing down the question. So, Biden would have made any of those military.

>> The question The question wasn't about Joe Biden. I'll ask it again. Who is the person who made the ultimate decision that the United States go to war with Iran? Regardless of what you think about pressure from Israel or any other country, which is, by the way, not an excuse to go to war. Okay. They they said they posed an imminent threat to the United States and they posed Let me ask it again. Who is the person who made the ultimate decision that we would go to war with Iran? Can you please answer that?

>> I think Donald Trump would like me to say this. President Trump did.

>> Thank you. Thank you. I'm glad. Why do I have to ask you five times? I don't understand. So, if the argument very hard to understand.

>> If the argument If the argument that you're making, which I partially

>> you're a little you're a little kooky, you know, you know what I'm saying?

>> Okay. Okay. If the argument you're saying is that Israel pushed our hand or forced our hand, then wouldn't the response say, "Well, geez, that's weakness on our part, and we should have a president that doesn't get us in an ill-advised war pressured by another country like Israel." Wouldn't that be a fair criticism of the guy that you voted for? If the argument is Israel forced our hand, first of all, Israel should never force our hand on anything. If this is truly America first, that's not an America first agenda that you voted for.

>> Yeah. I would say the true America first agenda would be to eliminate Apex essentially foreign lobbying protection when it comes to funneling money to candidates. $45 million to Kamala Harris, $250 million.

>> Why does that have to do with what I just said?

>> Because you're talking about Kamala Harris again.

>> Because you're asking why Donald Trump went to war with Iran. Netanyahu for Netanyahu.

>> So you're blaming Democrats.

>> You can't understand.

>> No, I do understand. You're pivoting to Kamala Harris, money, and Joe Biden when I just asked you the guy who you voted for.

>> You said corruption earlier leads politicians to do things. So yeah, absolutely. I'm making that point for you.

>> It's Kamala's fault. Giving you an alleyoop, Brian. Just take it.

>> It's Kamala. It's Kamala. It's first of all, don't do basketball analogies. Uh it's uh I played a few sports in college. Yeah. I did I did okay for myself. Um, so you're blaming Kamala partially for this war then. Is that is that what I'm getting from you?

>> No, no, no. I was I was going to make a broader point about President Trump and why he was influenced by other countries, right?

>> Um, it's more of a personal vendetta done through Israel and their lobbying groups within the United States.

Can I ask you a moral question if that's okay?

>> Yeah, absolutely.

>> I appreciate that. Um, I find it hard to understand how somebody could vote for a guy who on tape bragged about going into teenage girls locker rooms without the I know you don't think this is a big deal. Do you have a sister?

>> No.

>> Okay, you don't. You have a mom. I don't know. I'm trying. Female friends, a girlfriend. What?

>> I have an amazing mom.

>> Okay, good. I'm glad to hear that. So, if your mom I know love your mom.

>> This is a little graphic, but I'm sorry. I got to pose it this way. A woman in your life. Okay. girlfriend, ex-girl, whatever. If she was 13 or 14 years old, and she was in a beauty pageant, and some creepy old man went in there without permission, bragged sexually about it on radio on the Howard Stern show. Multiple women have cooperated this. Do you think that's someone and that behavior is becoming of someone that should be the leader of the free world? How could you support that?

>> I mean, over 80 million people did, Brian.

>> Yeah. So, I'm asking you though, right now, I'm not talking to them. I'm talking to you.

>> I'm with 80 million people.

>> Okay. So, you don't have a problem with that behavior. You're okay with it?

>> No, that's not what I said. That's not what they're voting on, Brian. They're voting on a lot of things for president because Joe Biden raised a son who is a total degenerate and did a lot of things within his family compass that he knew about and didn't denounce any of it. So, you're saying that you're blaming Joe Biden because his son had a drug addiction and comparing that to somebody willfully going into a teenage girl's locker room without their permission looking at a bunch of 15-year-old girls naked. Do you realize how ridiculous your defense is? Let me tell you something. Drugs are an addiction. I know a little bit about that because my sister suffered through it her whole life. It doesn't mean you're a bad parent just be and I heard this same argument. I was at Amfest and it pisses me off. I didn't say Joe Biden was a bad parent.

>> Then why are you bringing that up as bad behavior to Joe Biden when I ask

>> because they found cocaine in the White House. Does that not have any ramifications for his office?

>> Let's talk about that. Never has that been proven that Joe Biden.

>> Excuse me.

>> I didn't say Joe Biden.

>> A lot of people in the White House.

>> Yeah, I know.

>> You just I asked you about Donald Trump's behavior when it comes to young girls in teenage girls locker rooms

>> because you pivoted away from the Israeli argument that we were talking about with no context. Like, why did you bring this up? Do you like pedophilia? Why are you talking about this so much?

>> Is that a serious weird?

>> No, it's not weird.

>> As a younger person, this is really weird.

>> The reason why I brought up pedophilia

>> out of nowhere, by the way.

>> Uh, no, it's not out of nowhere because you support Donald Trump and his name is in the Epstein files like 30,000 times.

>> And we weren't even talking about that.

>> I understand you don't want to talk about the indefensible.

>> I can talk about it, Brian. Let's just let's just get in the same. beginning of the conversation, I asked you about his Robert Mueller comments, and you didn't immediately call that out. In this situation, I asked you about Donald Trump going into teenage girls locker rooms without their permission. And what do you do? Instead of you saying, "Yeah, that was wrong. He shouldn't have done that." What does he do? He says, "What about Joe Biden and and Joe Biden's son?" That is what we call dodging the question. I'm I'm actually, you know, when I walked up here and I anal analysized you and analyzed

>> anal analysized. Is that a word?

>> Analyzed.

>> Okay. Okay.

>> You analyzed my physical appearance,

>> sadly. Yes. I'm sorry.

>> Well, like I said, when I wake up in the morning, I I I just hope you you're attracted to me, sir. I really do.

>> Well, you're the one that likes talking about pedophilia and little boys, so let's not go that far.

>> No, I don't like talking about that. Wait, hold on. Let me Let me just be clear on this. Not only do I not like talking about it, I think it's despicable. And I think everybody deserves justice that is a victim in any situation, especially the Epstein files. And the guy,

>> you think Epstein was a msad agent?

>> Hold on a second. Uh, that's here nor there right now. Uh, I'm talking about people that deserve justice.

>> It was as random as your pedophilia comments asking.

>> It's not random. It's not random because the guy who you support is is defending pedophiles right now. You do you are aware of that. Forget about what what I think whether Donald Trump did or didn't do. Let's put that aside. Let's assume he didn't do anything like that. Okay, even though he's named in there 30,000 times, would you agree with me that Pam Bondi and Donald Trump and Cash Patel and when Dan Bonino was there, they are literally protecting pedophiles? Can we agree on that?

>> So, do you understand how federal agencies work, Brian? A lot of these people are talking heads. They don't do a lot of the dirty work and actually uncover the files. Pam Bondi is not flipping there on her desk, unlike what she said. Redact, redact, redact. She wasn't doing that.

>> So, help me understand who is the

>> I'll explain the government to there's three branches.

>> They're all equal. Hold on. Okay.

>> Who is responsible right now? Who makes the final determination on all these Epstein files and whether they're released or not? Can you tell me?

>> They signed off on it, but a lot of other employees look through all this stuff. A lot of a lot of other people

>> who makes the decision. So, do you think it's fair to say if they don't have informed decision- making capa capabilities? That's fair enough.

>> Who makes the decision?

>> I'm asking a real question.

>> You haven't answered mine yet.

>> So, what if I what if I put something on the desk and I said, Brian, you are the president of the United States. I say, you know what, as a close, trusted adviser, this is what you would think, President Trump.

>> You're defending the Trump administration against you're curling yourself into your mag of pretzels. So, let me help you out. Pam Bondi,

>> you look like you would sit in a pretzel with crisscross applesauce to insult me again. Pam Bondi,

>> I mean, you love to do it with me. I'm mushroom headed, right?

>> Pam Bondi, I never said that. I don't know what you're talking about.

>> We'll roll it back.

>> I called you a Trump mushroom gobbler. I didn't say you look like a mushroom.

>> Oh, I I should have

>> what that means. I'll tell you what that means. I'll I'll I'll explain that to you. And you're doing it right now, by the way. You are constantly defending this administration. So, let me help you out. Pam Bondi, Cash Patel, and obviously Donald Trump are making decisions on what they release and what they don't release. They have been breaking the law. So that is the point that I have been trying to make.

>> There's about five points I counteracted the Trump administration yet you try to paint me as a Trump blazer.

>> Incorrectly.

>> Incorrectly.

>> Incorrectly. Yes.

>> Going against Trump. That's incorrect.

>> So listen, you have the right to believe what you want to believe. you have the right to change to to vote for Donald Trump if you would like to and continue to support Donald Trump if you would like.

>> Um but

>> well he he's not running for another term so I can't vote for him again.

>> I hope not. I hope not.

>> Well, no he's not.

>> I hope not.

>> I hope we believe in a constitution Brian still.

>> Well, let's leave on a good note. Thank you for doing this.

>> It was as entertaining for you as it was for me.

>> Absolutely. I I loved it, man.

>> And nothing personal.

>> No, nothing personal. Absolutely.

>> And we need people to shake hands like this after heated debates. shaked Jack Pope. You know, me and Jack have called each other so many names, but anyway, uh but we shook hands today, too. [clears throat]

>> Absolutely.