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Strong open source models are coming out of China, and you have US companies building on them for free. Is that a threat?
>> So, you know, one of the things we've seen with this technology is that there's really a premium to how intelligent the models are. Um, we very, very rarely see, um, that people would prefer to use models with lower intelligence. Now, to be clear, there's a thriving ecosystem. There are lots of challenges and problems that are much easier than, you know, the ones we need frontier models for.
I think this is something that people who are used to building products in the previous era don't quite understand, right? As someone who's come in, who, you know, hadn't run a company before, who's like, you know, has never thought about the previous product era, particularly detests the social media era, um, I feel like an outsider to that world, and I I I feel that people's instincts are wrong. Intelligence is just such a huge factor that outweighs everything else. And so, we're just seeing over and over again that, you know, the value is found on the frontier.
Now, what I do worry about with some of these laggard models is the risks of them, where we have mythos-class cyber capabilities. 12 months from now, we'll have much better cyber capabilities, but the mythos-class cyber capabilities may just be available for for anyone to, uh, to download. Now, hopefully, we'll have patched everything before then. I don't think there's anything we can do to stop it, but I I think it's a serious concern.
>> Did what you saw at Baidu shape your views on China?
>> Not really, no. Um, I worked there for I worked there for a year. You know, I think I probably learned more about like speech, uh, speech recognition and and, you know, all all all all of that. Maybe the only thing that concerned me was, you know, part of how we got all the speech recognition data was, you know, they're like they said ominously, "Oh, we don't care about privacy in China." So, we have all this this speech recognition data.
Um, but I think I think aside from that, my worries here are geopolitical. You know, I think the things that most worried me about what happened in China, or you know, what we what we saw happen to the weakers, what we saw with suppression of criticism even in the US with what happened with Hong Kong, right? The fact that that CCP could reach into the US business network and, you know, and suppress criticism. That's an authoritarian state, and and high-tech authoritarian state, and when I see how that combines with AI, you you really get a a dystopia here like 1984 or worse.
Um, and and my focus is on trying to prevent that, and I think we have an opportunity to prevent that. I think we have an opportunity for AI to be a pro-democracy technology, you know, that kind of makes people freer, that delivers on the promise of equal justice for all, or it could go the other way, and and which way it goes depends on the actions of the AI companies, depends on the actions of the government, depends on the actions of all of us. And so, I see us as having responsibility here.