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Quintile today, 72 degrees. Aspect, super fascinating aspect. Let me fix my lens here. That's better. Turn on my light. Do you think this will apply to a bike tile as well? Yeah, we're going to talk about that today too. We're going to combine them into one lesson because they are pretty much the same thing. The biquin tile is a little bit less obsessive. So, um, we're going to talk about that as we go along and break it down.
So the quintile is where we come into a process of extreme specialization. These are aspects that are known for talent and for the uniqueness of what we can produce. They are known for artistry, for inventiveness, and for honing what? Honing, sharpening through practicing what it is that our intrinsic gifts are. So how we take the natural resources, the talents that we've been given in the second house and with Venus, and how we sharpen those and practice those. And it's very much where we learn to make beautiful music. So the action of learning and mastering an instrument, very, very much how our quintiles can operate. And you see them very much in a relationship or an expression of extraordinary talents. Not everybody expresses quintiles. They are aspects that some people don't completely access, access, not axes. So they, um, they're an aspect that if we are developing for our betterment, if we're evolving instead of devolving, because we have a devolutionary possibility with every aspect, the evolutionary possibility with the quintile is when it really turns on and we start to create and make that beautiful music.
The devolutionary way, which is the most common way that aspects will often show up for people, is a self-obsession and a type of obsession with what they can make for the sake of making it, or just material value. Meaning it does not have the type of spiritual content that we associate with animation of something. So let's think about, let's think about singing, a talent that some people have, and for some people, it's super easy. Not a talent that I have, but it's a talent I've always wanted to have. I love to imagine myself as a wonderful singer there. So we love to, uh, you know, express our, uh, inner, uh, the, the inner feelings. When we're a really great singer, it's, it's one of the points of magic that we have. There's really a love of bringing what's in to the outer and sharing that. So most of us, when we don't, which is the majority of us, don't have an extraordinary talent for singing, uh, when we sing, it's, you know, we're singing the words. It's, it's very hard for us to inject that emotion, that, uh, that animation into the, the song, into the music. But that can come easy for somebody who has that natal talent. So we animate what it is that we create.
With a quintile, that we are evolving with, the star, the five-pointed star, is what we associate with the quintux. If you have a perfect quintile pattern, it will create a five-pointed star in your chart. And these are aspects that we associate with the fifth house, creativity. So, um, the star can point up or it can point down. And in the positive esoteric religion, such as Wicca, the star points up and talks about creativity. The star, the five-pointed star, is about creativity. That's why I like to use it as a simple, not necessarily Wiccan or anything else, but I love the quintile star because it represents that uniqueness of spiritual creativity that really comes from using, with what unique talents we've been given, using what we've got, where we've got it, to the best of our ability. And the kind of product that that really creates. So creativity is a beautiful outcome of quintile aspects.
The star can also point down, as we see in Satanism. If you really understand Satanism, it is actually not what most of us think it is. Not modern Satanism, it's kind of an odd, odd, not, uh, completely negative belief system. It's interesting what it's morphed into. But the downward pointed star is talking about gorging on materialism, our, our, um, really becoming more of a glutton, rather than somebody, you know, a glutton of, of, uh, what's available, rather than using what's available for the betterment of ourselves and others. So it has a negative connotation when it comes to what we're doing with what we've been given. And it's destructive. It's talking about a destructive, um, force. We become a destructive force if we are pursuing our talents, really for the sake of the ego. That's what it really comes down to. If we are selfishly applying our gifts.
And that would look like, say, a violinist who, um, you know, what, I'm going to get a little bit personal and use a bit of a personal way to explain this. I'll use the example of my own grandfather, actually. He was a very interesting figure. Um, he was, uh, in World War II, and he was in one of the worst battles that, uh, that there was. And he, when he came home, he was never the same. And in fact, um, his, uh, best buddy in the war was killed right next to him. And my grandfather felt really obligated to come home and marry his war buddy's widow and raise his children. And he did. But he was extremely resentful about the whole thing. He had a lot of Neptune in him, you know, when we think we're doing the right thing, but we don't really want to do it. But that's beside the point, just a very interesting look into his psychology. But he was extraordinarily talented at music, extraordinarily talented. And he was so good at the violin that he had an opportunity to become a concert violinist. Instead of taking that opportunity, he decided to do his duty, to perform his obligation, and raise his family. So he missed that chance. And he had this extraordinary talent. He became a high school music teacher. In fact, he was Bob Dylan's high school music teacher. And, um, he would talk about him. We would ask him, you know, tell us about Dell and tell us about Dylan. And we'd be at a family get-together and he'd say, "Oh, that rat, that rat," because he couldn't stand him. Right. I remember him sitting down at my concert piano with that contraption on his face, defiling my piano. And we would all laugh about it. Um, Bob Dylan was also obsessed with my aunt Joanne. She thought he was just an absolute creep, wouldn't give him the time of day. So, um, just an interesting story. But he had this extraordinary talent that ended up driving him kind of crazy because he made decisions that really blocked the sharing of that talent in a way that his spirit could really fly and unleash with it. He actually became quite bitter and just extraordinarily talented with music, could play any instrument, but, um, really turned into an angry old person. And a lot of it, the root of it, was the inability to express himself musically the way that he felt he was meant to. That is one way that quintiles can operate.
Is that if we do not share, if we do not hone, if we do not really connect that talent with spirit, because these are of the fifth house, the Sun, Leo, this is spirit, this is, this is the Sun, this is the reason for the season, the reason for the, the solar system. It's, it's the seed of the soul. So if we aren't connecting that, that passion with that talent, with that spirit, and practicing for the right reasons, we can use that talent either for the sake of vanity, where we can really, we can become embittered, we can feel blocked. So it becomes a negative force within us. So how we mobilize our natural resources and our talents, how we decide to act on those with the quintile, that's really critical in how it's going to turn out. There's a lot of choice that's involved. So these are magical aspects in that we create something between the planets that are quintile that is so, let's say, unique and charming, that there's some bit of magic to it. So these are, these are interesting aspects to look at because they can often lead to a self-obsession with people. They can be very egoic. Out there can be egoic outcomes from these. But, uh, hopefully, we are acting on them in a way where it's going to be something that we can share. It's going to be something that becomes our quintes, a part of our quintessence. That's a word that we associate with quintiles, that quintessence. And, um, we can have incredible fun with these aspects, but they can also drive us crazy because they can be very devolutionary if we aren't making the right choices. Do we have any questions about that or any points of discussion?
Stacy, I have a few. Well, also, that's so exciting about the Bob Dylan story. I like, I'll, I'll come every week for Bob Dylan's story. But, um, oh god, yes, she couldn't tolerate him. He was after her for several years because they all grew up in Duluth, Minnesota, where he was from. And I was looking over the astrology chart of Jerry Seinfeld, and while unfortunately he doesn't have this star, he has so many quintiles and so many bi-quantiles, and like, that's an unusual amount. I thought so. Yeah, an extraordinary amount, I'd say. Um, yeah, uh, so driven more to use that talent in a, a public way, and humor comes easy to him. You'll find that with quintiles. At what's in quintile, we do work on it. We do hone it. I mean, I am sure that he spent years, and probably still does, spent years practicing and fine-tuning his jokes. But it is something that does essentially come easy. So that doesn't mean that we don't adjust it. Because think of a writer who, you know, pounds out a genius novel. They do have to go back and adjust it and fine-tune it and edit and add and subtract. It isn't something that just flies off the shelf. And art is very much like that. A ballet, let's use ballet as an example. It looks so easy, doesn't it? Ice skating, it looks so easy. Horse jumping, it looks so easy. These have taken years to perfect, even to the lowest degree. But, and, and they're still perfecting it. They're still working it. You know, those Olympic horseback, uh, jumpers, they have been training for years before they get there. And we still fine-tune it, even if it's something that we're the best at in the world. We have to continue to practice. Astrology is like that. If we don't continue to remind ourselves, we don't continue to practice and to study, it's like math, and we'll forget it. So even if we have a, a talent, it's something that we do have to continue to hone if we want to keep sharp at it. But a lot of how those quintiles turned out does have to do with the motivation. Is it something that, well, really, that we want just for self-enhancement? Or is it something that we want for the enhancement of all of us? Think of performance. That's what we find in the fifth house end of, uh, uh, association with Leo. Performance, this is the stage. Quintiles are that, that is what they're about. And what are we performing for? For the good of all of us? Or just for the sake of our own ego? That is the question.
So Stacy, did you have something else? I do. When we were talking about, um, the star and its meaning when it's, um, going the right side up and then versus when it's inverted, just, I know that you, uh, know some things about tarot. Is there a similar meaning there when some, like when a tarot card's up and when a tarot card's inverted, like things shift in meaning? I, I don't read it that way myself, but a lot of people do. The traditional way, I don't invert my cards, but the traditional reason for that is that if it is inverted, if it's pointing down, uh, you know, the cards have two different potentials. So it's the negative potential that it's showing, just like an inverted star, though. So, yeah, good concept to relate to that. Sorry, did I miss that? What is the star? The star is what happens when we have a perfect quintile pattern in a chart. So we associate the five-pointed star with quintiles. And what traditionally the star means is, you know, how we shine. And it's very significant in certain esoteric religions like Wicca or, um, I, um, trying to think of, uh, the other word, the other one, can't think of it. Um, but it's something that we've always associated for a long time, either with a uniqueness. You know, stars, stars in Hollywood, we use that term for a reason. We associate star with that unique, charming talent, ability. So does that make sense? Ellie? Yeah, but it's not a degree or something? No, no, no. It's just a pattern. It's a chart pattern. I didn't get it. Yeah, yeah. It's a chart pattern that we see if we have, uh, um, five planets and 72-degree, uh, aspect to each other all the way around the chart, it will form a five-pointed star. Bay, um, yeah. So what is actually the orb allowance for? Um, I keep it pretty tight within two degrees. Um, Dane Rudhyar, the astrologer that I respect most, he would allow for up to three and a half degrees on either side, but I keep it pretty tight within two degrees myself. But again, there's no consensus on that. Any other questions? Yeah, like you were talking about the star pointing upward or downward. Yes. What was that about? The star pointing upward is positive. That means that our focus is going up towards the head, going up towards spirit, and towards something positive, because we associate up with positive and down with negative. So that's where the flow is, upwards towards what's positive. The inverted star, where the star is pointing downward, is where it's actually pointing down. It's going more into our groin, look at it that way. It's going into where we can be plutonic, where we can keep, where we could be selfish. So it either goes up towards the, the top of the head, the crown chakra, or it goes down towards the root chakra.
Right. Uh, Bay, can I pick up a couple questions and then I'll get you there? I don't want to get to leave people out. Uh, I think Tanya, Stacy did find an example there for us. She's pretty good at that stuff. Say, about someone has zero quintiles on the chart. Um, it's not positive, it's not negative. It doesn't mean that they won't develop something or have points of uniqueness or beauty because we can have, um, other reasons for developing talents. We can have other motivations for that. So it's not an unusual thing. So I, I wouldn't see that as a negative. And then, do you mean that quite literally when we look at the chart or metaphorically? Meaning that some people choose one or the other? They literally choose one or the other. Um, and sometimes it could be a mix of the two depending on what it is that we're doing because we can, uh, we can have a mix of motivation sometimes within us. But typically, we tend to err on one side or the other when it comes to the evolution or devolution. Bay, yeah. So I was actually wondering about what you said about like, um, the inverted star and, yeah, say, which, well, for example, what we think about like Satanists and stuff, especially in this age where people think that the world is run by like a bunch of Satanists. Is that actually what they mean? Actually, that, for example, those people that maybe we perceive or like people with maybe not a lot of like rank, spiritual knowledge, like knowledge on, you know, what is exactly, you know, the more, more like the facts that we kind of think quite that people that are using their talents and their being for selfish gains, out of pain, and not out of love and wanting to develop themselves, that they kind of, that that is what they mean by like Satanism? Or I think I know what you're getting at. Yeah, yeah. So when we pervert our own talents, that's what is, I think, what you're getting at there. So we can use our own talents for selfishness, yeah, and for selfish gain, and leave out the, the spiritual aspect of things, which is, and it, in implies a joining rather than a separation. So where we try to separate others and cause trouble, I would say that's definitely an inverted star behavior. And where we try to bring others together, that's where we are expressing that highest potential that we really have. So yes, I think that there's something to that that we could see that, what we could term Satanic behavior would be selfish behavior. Yeah. But that's actually also, if you look, for example, I know, I know like from like how I grew up, like for example, if you read, for example, like religious texts, like the Quran and stuff, like people I think think that that is really, you know, about believing and like sharing like the message of like a particular like doctrine or a language, but it's actually more like when I think let's say God is talking there, like about like believers and unbelievers, or like selfish people, or no, like the devil, like it's actually things like that are being more talked about, I think, in my opinion, as well, instead of like this, um, yeah, notion about like afraid the difference between right and wrong, or like what people eventually make a religion. So it's quite interesting. Well, maybe our concepts about those things are evolving, you know, even in religious culture, and starting to see it less as a, a, you know, physical devil personage, and more of the spirit of right or the spirit of wrong. Yeah, yeah, sure. Stacy, absolutely. You could, as someone who likes Joseph Campbell quite a bit, he talks about how reading religious texts should be read like poetry and not like reading the newspaper. So like while saying, and when I went through catechism, we were taught to do this as well, like when Jesus is being tempted by the devil with bread, it's not like literal bread, but it can be like a metaphor for money. Sure. Yeah, that's an important point. Yeah. These, uh, are charming, playful aspects, also potentially self-destructive, depends on what we do with it. What about Mars quintile Uranus? We have a talent for stirring up trouble. I've seen that one many times. Yes, they can get away with a lot. And that's another thing with quintiles that I have yet to talk about is that we can get away with all kinds of stuff that other people can't get away with. Oh my god. So there is something about how we present and deliver when planets are quintile that mean that we can pull off what other people can't. So, um, there's a couple of really good examples. And the most famous example I use is in the chart of Donald Trump, where his Uranus is quintile to the Ascendant. So Uranus is going against the grain, stirring things up, trouble, upsetting the apple cart, oftentimes being an, being sometimes very dictatorial. And it is quintile to the Ascendant. He could get away with what nobody else could get away with. And when we say, "It's just Donald being Donald," anybody else would be hung. So it's where we can push the envelope, and our unique brand of charm just makes it work for us, but nobody else is getting away with it. These are irreverent aspects, and that's a part of our charm as well. So we develop, um, I find because these are aspects that we associate with the fifth house, Leo, that stage of development where we are refining our show. This is the mid-stage of ego development. Mars is the primitive id, the toddler. The Sun, the fifth house Leo, this is the teenage years where we are learning how we define ourselves. We're coming up with our identity. We're trying on different hairstyles, different clothing styles, different types of friends. We don't know who we are. It's identity crisis. And then eventually that starts to solidify as we get towards the sixth house stage of young adulthood. So, um, yeah, there's this experimentation that happens with planets that are in quintile because, uh, I, I, I think that that's part of innovation, personal innovation is found with the fifth, not so much technical, but personal. Sun quintile the Midheaven. I can't, uh, delineate everything, guys, um, today, but I, I'll give you a couple more here, but I'm not going to have time to go through all of the different combos. Sun quintile the Midheaven. We have a talent for how we show up. That is a blessed aspect, I believe. Prince had that. Stacy, can you look and see? Can you look up Prince's chart and see if Prince had Sun quintile the Midheaven? I believe he did. Um, we are refining our image with that one. And he was so careful about how he presented himself. He crafted his image well, and he was very careful about who knew what about him. Um, there was quite a lot of thought and a practice that really went into becoming Prince. And I remember a story once where somebody said that they met up with him while he was out riding a bike, just in Minneapolis where he lived, and he was just dressed like the rest of us. And they asked him, you know, "Can I take a picture of you?" And he said, "No, I'd prefer if you didn't," because it was something to the effect of, "It really doesn't really help with my image." Meaning that he looked like the rest of us with his hair up in a bun and biker pants on. He does, as you said, he also does have Sun quintile the MC. Okay, I thought so. I had looked a long time ago. Pluto and, um, Jupiter quintile Uranus, very interesting. Also, his, he was known for not wanting to lose control, being a control freak. Quintile Sun to Pluto. Yeah, he was a bit suspicious, right, about his music? He didn't want it to be on Spotify and other type of platforms. No, no. He's very, very controlling about his craft and how he crafted his image and who knew what about him. And his death was quite shocking because it didn't seem to be in keeping with what we knew about him, which would imply that maybe he wasn't what we thought he was.
So bi-quintiles are everything that we've talked about so far, but they are more ready to be taken to the public. So they are where we are more practiced already. They're less obsessive. So let's look at a violinist who has a quintile aspect, and they are in that stage of practice makes perfect. But somebody that has a bi-quintile, let's look at that as a violinist who is, who feels that they're just about finished. That they have this talent, and it's something that didn't require as much obsessive focus. It's more on the cusp of being ready or being finished. So they're known as something that is more readily packaged to be brought to the public or to others. But it's still a point of uniqueness and charm, and our unique brand of creativity. I see them as having less negative potential than the quintile itself. They're a little bit, I would say, weaker in how they act, but there is still this extreme uniqueness. We find something that sparks, uh, that, that, that sparks us, that, that we have a, a, um, a passion for with the quintile, just like when we discovered that we love to play an instrument or we love to play a sport, or say that, you know, we find something that sweeps us away and we want to hone that, we want to develop it, we want to do more of it. But in that process, we also have to work at it. So let's use the example again of the violin. We try it the first time. In fact, here's a really good practical example. My sister was watching my grandfather play the violin, and he was sitting there playing all kinds of fun songs, the entertainer, themes from movies. We just ask him, you know, "Play this or that," and he'd just hear it in his head and he'd be able to play it. And she was so impressed. She was like, "I'm gonna play the violin too. I'm gonna learn how to play the violin. This is wonderful." And he gave her his violin and encouraged her to learn and to play. And she would, and this was an amazing violin, a small beautiful thing, had been played for years, so it just had an amazing sound. And she would strum on it here and there, pluck out it here and there. And and then I'd see it, you know, on the ground, and the bow would be somewhere else. And eventually, it just became clear that she didn't care about it. She didn't take it seriously. And she also did not care about the gift, obviously. And then it just disappeared. When she fell on hard times, I think we can all imagine what happened there. So there's this way that if we are really caught by the bug in a quintile, we're, we're caught in it. She didn't have the kind of quintile energy that would lead to that obsessive wanting to learn. Now, contrast that with my brother, who was exposed to my uncle, who's a master guitar player, who's the son of the violinist, of course, master guitar player. My brother was just so taken with what he could do. And my uncle showed him a few chords and gave him an old guitar that he had sitting around. And I remember my brother, on the drive home from Southern, um, California to Northern California, he strummed and he practiced the whole time, the whole time. And he's been playing ever since. And he is good. Oh, he's so good. So he got quit, bitten by the quintile bug, where there's something that it does sweep us away. And those, those are how those planets really interact with quintiles, that we want to hone and practice what it is. So we can eventually, I really, um, I would say, be an asset. If we're using it negatively, then we want to just keep it as our asset. And then I think we don't freely share.