The Battle for Human Souls (third eye, Nephilim composites, & deliverance) w/Dan Duval

I sit down with people that have defected the Illuminati. I sit down with people that have defected all kinds of very secret societies, satanic cults, covens. I've seen it at the deepest levels. I'm holding myself back right now from asking about mermaids. In childhood, we are groomed to believe that certain things are true and certain things are untrue. Uninformed Deliverance Ministry will assume that everything is a demon. You compound iniquity from one generation to the next to get more power than the kingdom of darkness. It seems to me that the scientific realm is mirroring the spiritual reality. It's just mirroring. When you get to the spirit world, they don't care as much about silver and gold. They want human goods. They want essence. They want soul fragments. They want pieces of the spirit because they can use it. It restores my soul. Well, why would you need to restore the soul if the soul couldn't break?

Hey, before you get into this episode, I just wanted to give you a heads up on what you're about to experience. So, we have somebody brand new. He's a new friend. His name is Dan Duval. This man has experienced with like some Deliverance that I've never even really heard of before. Um, and we were rushed on this episode for a lot of different reasons. Uh, you're kind of probably feel the pacing like we move on a little bit too quick for different things. If we had a couple of hours, then we could sit in it. We're going to have him back and do a part two, uh, for some of these concepts. But because he has so much experience, he's helped thousands and thousands of people make it through these crazy, crazy experiences, uh, in the realm of the Spirit. Uh, he says things sometimes that are just like, they're true, but we don't have time to like back them up with data. He uses a lot of scripture, which is amazing. But I just want to warn you that at some points in this episode, it kind of like our heads are spinning. Um, and you'll be able to feel that we're kind of like, what? Like, that's in the Bible? I've never read that before. That's crazy. But then we don't have time to like process it before we have to move on to the next thing because we had to get him back to Texas, uh, which is where he's from. So, watch it, but be open to, uh, the idea that some of the things he said might be a little crazy. And we'll get him back on the show to kind of put better context around those things. I love you guys. Enjoy. Let us know what you think.

Everyone wants to get to the high places, but if you want to go high, you first have to go deep. What's up? Welcome back to the deep end. Jake, how you doing? So good. Who we got today? Dan. Dan Duval. Dan Duval. I want to tell you guys a little bit about Dan before we get into this. Dan is a leader of Bride Ministries International. Does a lot of Deliverance work. He runs a school of inner healing. He's a bestselling author of eight books. The two that are the best selling on Amazon are Prayers to Shake Heaven and Earth and Advanced Prayers to Shake Heaven and Earth. I memorized that. Yes, you did. Look, this from memory. Made it look easy, too. Um, I will be honest with you guys in that this is going to be a very deep episode, and we're going to cover some topics that you probably have not heard of before. Um, because Dan is somebody that I've, I've studied and I've read his books to learn specifically how to pray. Uh, a lot, a lot of the prayers that we have shared on this show, I've been asking like, Holy Spirit, teach me what to pray. And then a couple of months ago, my wife picked up one of your books. I was reading through the book, I was like, I've heard that before, and it was something the Holy Spirit told me to pray. Wow. And it matched. It was something about like, blow, blow through the camp of the enemy or something. And I read it almost word for word in one of your books. So I was like, well, this guy's got Holy Spirit because he's, he wrote this years ago. And so Holy Spirit's saying the same thing. And so I can't wait to dive in with you. Jake's got a million questions. I have a question for you. I'm going to warn you ahead of time. Um, if you start passing out, I'll bring you water. I already got some. You got water? All right. We, no, I'm here for it. We'll just keep going because my list is long. This is the longest list I've had of any guests thus far. I mean, that's kind of an honor. Yeah. Well, Holy Spirit help him because I want, I'm like, I'm holding myself back right now from asking about mermaids. Can, can I, can I, can I just say the honest truth? I'm going to be a little humble right now, okay? I was sitting here on an airplane reading notes like a fanatic. I'm like, I don't know what he's going to ask me. I'm going through all my, and I have copious amounts of notes on many subjects. I'm like, cuz I don't know where it's coming from. You didn't tell me. Well, we just throw you into the deep end and swim. So I'm going to do my best. It's going to be, but I think we're going to have a lot of fun. We're going to have a lot of fun.

Taylor, I have a question for you. Um, just based on past episodes, but on past episodes, you've been like, man, Deliverance Ministries got to step up their game, like this and that. And you, you kind of like put a call up for Deliverance Ministries. And then you bring in Dan, who's like, the founder of Deliverance, literally, America. So I would love just a touch of perspective on why you have Dan here on the show for the audience. Okay. Well, so, um, confession, I've just publicly hated on Deliverance Ministries. Wow. But here's, here's why. Um, he's going to go up like this is good. I come in and beat up on me. No, I'm ready. Here's why. So I, to say it, I grew up in, um, I grew up. I was literally like born in a mega church. Uh, my whole life. These big institutional businesses, essentially. And so I got to see just the behind the scenes of people doing deliverance. And they're, they're negotiating with the Demonic. They're not, you know what I'm saying? Like, and so like, even, even a couple of months ago, I was at this conference and it took this person like 60 minutes for, for the prayer person to like, even say the right thing. And I was just like, nobody knows how to do Deliverance. Jesus didn't negotiate. He wasn't trading. He was like, well, I'll do this if you come out. Wow. It didn't work like that. And so what I was, since Jake just threw me off the freaking cliff here, welcome. My, um, issue historically has been like, first of all, people who are doing Deliverance don't seem to be delivered because they don't understand their authority. And then number two, they seem to, uh, aggregate. They're not replacing the mind with something like the Holy Spirit. So people have to come back again and again and again. It's like, we got a lot of Deliverance Ministries, they're like chiropractic clinics. You just got to come back every week and get delivered. That's my point. He did this for a reason. So now you can fix me. And I will apologize on air.

Well, there's a lot that we could say on this subject. I'm going to start with my experience. Okay. Okay. So my experience with Deliverance started off as pretty much very little anointing, not successful. Um, I didn't stumble into this because I thought, you know, oh, this is going to be great. I went up, prayed for somebody, knocked out five demons, felt the anointing, got the call, and now I'm a Deliverance Minister. Like I wasn't, I wasn't qualified like that. I ran into the need for deliverance as I was trying to help a survivor overcome mind control programming. And so as we were working through their shattered mind, we found demons resident. And then it was now my job to figure out how I was going to work with Jesus to help this person get healing and deliverance with those in the way. And they didn't respond. It would be like, get out in the name of Jesus. That didn't work. So it was stubborn stuff. And I kind of started my journey in Deliverance Ministry in the deep end of the pool. Yeah. You know, and then I had to back engineer my way. And so it was a, it was a real adventure. The, the, the fact is, I do have three prayer books and many other prayer resources that we've made beyond even the scope of what those prayers include. And it's been the result of understanding deep mechanics of the spirit that facilitate the finished work of Jesus Christ. Um, because the devil is a legalist. And, uh, in doing the homework, what we found is that our Deliverance Ministry has begun to look more and more like Jesus, where it's just, I mean, I could have someone with a massive problem sitting in front of me, and it's like, five minutes later, they're completely free of that problem. But it wasn't that way from the beginning. And I will say this, I have a lot of similar complaints with Deliverance Ministry. I've seen a lot of people very injured by Deliverance Ministry. I've seen a lot of very sloppy Deliverance Ministry. Sometimes it just turns into a, a bit of a, a show. It's like, you know, we, we're, and, and, and sometimes it's a lot of ego involved. And sometimes, you know, there's a lot of ignorance as well. And we can definitely unpack the, that statement that I just made because those are big, swelling words. But when I approach Deliverance Ministry, I approach it with a lot of, I would say, nuance. That's helped us to carve out, I think, one of the most effective Deliverance Ministries out there. And, and, and well-informed. Yeah.

So what, when you start talking about, like, it's almost like you're talking about the mechanics. Yes. Can you shed light on what, like, a maybe an overview, a cursory overview of the mechanics of, like, the spiritual territories? Absolutely. So, so cursory overview of mechanics, starting with like Deliverance. Like, you have what I would call basic Deliverance, and then you have deeper Deliverance. Basic Deliverance kind of amounts to a simple process. And I would say it is a bit of a legal process. But let's say I have, um, a problem with lying, you know, and it's like, I've lied a few times, and maybe I've begun to feel like there's a spiritual influence behind that. I'm feeling more of those fiery arrows. I'm feeling more of that drive. It's like someone asked me, and I just have to lie. It's like, well, okay, well, um, I would say that that level is addressed with a simple process. It begins with confession, which is basically saying the same thing as I, I am acknowledging that I'm doing the wrong thing. I repent for that, which is turning 180 degrees, and I renounce it. And once a person's done that, anything that's attached to that lifestyle choice that is demonic loses its grasp at that point. We can bind and just cast out anything. And with that foundation, you can deal with a whole lot of sin problems that are basically what results from a person missing the mark. Now, where people end up a little bit less informed, I think, gets into a conversation on what I would call iniquity. And for instance, throughout the Bible, you have multiple locations, including the Book of Daniel, the Book of Deuteronomy, where you see that the words, the actual terms sin, transgression, and iniquity are being listed as separate line items there. And, and this follows from Hebrew to the Greek. And while we understand a sin, like Haman, Greek is to miss the mark, transgression and iniquity have even more robust, I think, uh, ideologies behind them. Transgression is is like a revolt, and iniquity is literally to to pervert. And the idea is that while you may start with sin, like in the Book of James, it says, when sin is full grown, it brings forth death. So sin can actually grow. And as it grows, you may have a person that you know, they have a problem with lying here and there, but when they give their life over to it, their affections over to it, their conscience gets seared, it becomes a transgression. They actually expand that. Now they have committed their life to that lifestyle choice. And the way that I look at it, once you go far enough in that, it actually embeds itself into the genetic code. And this is why I believe that because the Book of Deuteronomy, it says that God visits the iniquity upon of the fathers upon the children and the children's children to the third and fourth generation. It does not say the same thing of sin or transgression. So what happens is when a person goes deep enough into this thing, suddenly they gain the ability to pass that problem to their offspring genetically. So you, you'll follow a family bloodline and you'll be like, wow, the grandfather was an alcoholic, son's an alcoholic, his kid's an alcoholic, and it just follows the family tree. Same thing with, you know, adultery. It'll be like, well, granddaddy was an adulterer, his son was an adulterer, now junior is an adulterer. Like it just, and what's happened is that when we talk about iniquity, the perversion that is the DNA change that happens in response to sin's influence on the human vessel. And so it becomes a more complex challenge at that point because when you're dealing with a person that's in bondage to certain spirits, not because of just, you know, a mistake that they made, but because of the iniquity in their bloodline, then it gets deeper because now, now you're undoing actual genetic aspects of what's at work in them. And this actually gets into why you, you, you see the satanic cults doing what they do because they, they work on the principle of iniquity. They understand that you compound iniquity from one generation to the next to get more power, more abilities in the spirit world and the kingdom of darkness. All of that. So, so why else would they then turn around and put all of their children on these satanic ritual abuse calendars and schedules of absolute torture and demonization and rituals? Like, because they are compounding the iniquity in their generations from one generation to the next. It's a power play. So when we sit down with some of these people, cuz I sit down with the worst of the worst. I, I sit down with people that have defected the Illuminati. I sit down with people that have defected all kinds of very secret societies, satanic cults, covens. Um, I've seen it at the deepest levels. And what it gets attached at a certain point becomes very difficult. It, it'll be like, you know, well, I just, you know, confessed that I did this sin and I renounced it. Like, that's not going to work. We need to address things at a deeper level. So, um, that's where I begin to get into well-informed Deliverance. I'll give you another specific example, and then we'll just, I guess, go from there. Keep going. Yeah. Is this okay? This is amazing. Yeah. People, uh, don't really understand. And I, I'm just going to blow this one up a little bit. Composites in the spirit world. I don't know what that is. So, a composite is when you take two things that are different substances, you put them together. Okay? So let's say I, I take a, a plastic and a metal, and I go into a chem lab and I, and I make a composite out of plastic and metal. It's like, well, they, they're different, but I, I composite them. So you have a lot of this in the spirit world. Uninformed Deliverance Ministry will assume that everything is a demon. They're going to sit in front of someone, anything that manifests, you know, the eye twitches, the, you know, body moves, the shake, like that, that's right there is a demon. And they're going to be like, get out in the name of Jesus. That's stupid. The reality is that there's a lot of things that go on in the spirit world. And this can even, we, we can even connect some of this to like the Nephilim agenda and pre-adamic conversations because I promise you, we can go as deep as you want. Uh, but there are composites. And, and, and what it happens is, let's say you have a person who has a piece of their soul that's been shattered as a result of trauma that they've been through. And that shattered piece of the soul has been taken by a demon and wrapped around them. Now, you wouldn't be able to see that looking at the person in the physical. But what manifests to the front, under some circumstance, may actually be a demonic entity wrapped in human fabric of, so essence. So what, what happens is, you say, all right, demon of lust, or whatever it is, get out in the name of Jesus. But that is actually wrapped in a piece of, and I, I can explain soul fragmentation in a second, a piece of soul that's actually belonging to the person. And because it belongs to the person, it's an anchor of humanity for the Demonic that's sitting in this composite entity. So you could yell at that thing for 60 minutes, it's not going to leave. What I would do is I would have the angels of pray, Jesus, would you have your angels drop this thing in a box of living water? Why? Because water has an ionization property with use positive, negative. Just like you put a dish in a sink, it'll pull the dirt right off the pan. Well, living water has similar properties. And so when you use it in the spirit world, it'll pull the Demonic and the humanity apart. And, and the person, when we do some of these processes, will actually see some kind of like, nasty pig looking demon thing. And they'll see a four-year-old come out in the box of living water. I'll remove the four-year-old from that box of living water and I'll send that nasty demon thing packing. A 60-minute Deliverance has become 30 seconds in the name of Jesus. It's easy. But again, that's another just one simple example of informed Deliverance. Uh, there's a lot more going on in the spirit world. I think that Deliverance Ministry has not caught up to the level of complexity that is present. You know, uh, if you go through my prayer books, you'll see we have Deliverance for everything from everything relating to, uh, principalities to evil councils to alien groups to artificial intelligences. There's a lot going on in the spirit world at this time. And, uh, the church is about ready for a big upgrade. I'll tell you what, let's go.

All right, I want, I want people to, so you're talking, he's talking about like, this is pretty stuff, but I think people need to make the connection between like, um, like a, this isn't just deliverance from things like I am just addicted to sleeping around or like I start levitating. Self-reliance, pride, manipulation, these can be generational pass-overs as well. Um, when you talk about soul fragmentation, when Lucifer was trading, was he trading, like you said, he's trading essence? When before he fell, is this what you're talking about, or was that different?

So, I, I'll, I'll say it like this. There are several passages that talk about, for instance, Psalm 23. The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want. He makes me to lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters. He restores my soul. Well, why would you need to restore the soul if the soul couldn't break? Um, in Job, there is a passage talking about how, uh, this, the soul can be torn in pieces, rent, like, like a lion would rent something. Like, you know, my soul is rent in pieces. In the Book of Psalms, it also talks about the soul being torn in pieces. Uh, uh, uh, uh, in, in verse, Thessalonians 5:23, "May the God of all peace sanctify you completely." I pray, right? So this is a request for the whole spirit, soul, and body to be preserved blameless. Is like, so if you have to pray for that, we have to understand there can be brokenness in it. You know, there, uh, um, there is absolutely an ability for the soul to be torn. And the way the soul tears is through trauma. And it's related heavily to dissociation. So I'll give you a quick example, and then we, we can build off of that. So let's say a person is, you know, about to go through physical abuse. You know, so they're five, and, uh, the abuser's coming in, they have the weapon of choice, and it's just like, okay, big belt. This is going to go on for a while. They're in a drunken stupor. I'm about to get abused. Five years old. You can't get away, can't run, can't overpower, can't talk your way out of it. So what do, how do you get out of that situation? Well, you go away in your mind. You run down the hallway of your mind. And that's what children learn to do. So they'll be in an abuse situation, but they're not present. They go away in their mind. But in order to go away, you can't just leave your body fully unless you're dying. So part of their mind goes away, part of it's going to stay present. And so when a child uses dissociation to escape their abuse situation, what happens is after the abuse is over, the part of them that's being preserved from that abuse will come back to the front. But the part of them that God abused, that had to stay present for that, has to go somewhere. And usually it develops some degree of its own identity within the subconscious. This is a soul tear. Verbal abuse can achieve this, according to the Bible. "How long will you turn me? My soul in pieces with your words." And the, the reality is, when a person goes through different kinds of traumas, different kinds of situations that are very difficult for them to cope with, you're going to see the soul tear to different degrees. And so we put that on a continuum. At the soft, soft end of a continuum of dissociation, you have daydreaming. On the far other end of that continuum, you're going to have dissociative identity disorder, where those soul fragments grow into full-blown alternate personality states that can come out and literally run the body as another person with another name and another identity. This is the basis of trauma-based mind control, which could take us into the MK Ultra direction if you want to go there. But what happens is, you know, people go through all kinds of traumatic situations as they grow up. They, they, they go through different degrees of dissociation. What they don't realize is that is, is the soul being torn in different ways and circumstances. And some of that then gets piggybacked by the Demonic, which can lead to what I was explaining as composites. Um, some of it just stays floating around in the subconscious. And people will experience those parts as triggers later in life. And one of the, and I'm, it's going to come back to Deliverance problems that I share, like, because I have some complaints about Deliverance Ministry as well. I, I have my own, you know, um, observations. And I say, wow, this could have been done better. People have treated broken fragments of soul that is actual humanity as if it were a demon because it's not the presenting consciousness. And that's really mean. I mean, I, I've met soul parts that have come forward to talk to me and tell me about how they were so mistreated, talked to angry and yelled at by Deliverance ministers. And it's like, I'm the part of, of them that had to get abused in this way. And now I'm being called up by this Deliverance minister and I'm yelling at me, telling me to get out of the body. And I can't go anywhere. And I'm just like, why don't we have an encounter with Jesus instead? You know? So I, I, I definitely, um, do believe that true Deliverance Ministry needs to be centered on the heart of Jesus for that individual. Because we're not just ministering to a problem, we're ministering to a person. Anyway, it's good.

Jake, I'm going to keep taking it. The only thing you said you had so many questions and we were going to fight today and then you haven't said anything. So the, the thing that I just keep thinking of is like, Dan, I'm, I'm so glad you're here. And it's so interesting to me that like, the fruit of your life is what I'm so interested in. Is you have, I've seen some of your stuff where you were literally talking to somebody who went through the experience of like becoming a mermaid. Yeah. I forget what her name was, but I watched multiple podcasts for like four or five hours on it. And I'm just sitting here like, the thing that I've had to wrestle with with my skeptical, critical brain is like, either you're a psychological liar, you mean pathological liar, or I'm not as smart as I think I am. And I think it's obviously the latter. And I'm, I find it so, I just think it's so cool what you're doing. Like, this is the reason that we're going to have so many questions is because there's so many things that you've tackled that the world doesn't talk about. You, you have people that have turned into mermaids, people that have shape-shifted. I've had a friend of mine call me and said that his cousin who's a well-known evangelist in Africa, they said the alligator man got saved. And I was like, what are you talking about? And he's like, oh, the, uh, basically the one of the guys in the village was shape-shifting into an alligator. I'm like, this stuff is real. I mean, I, one of my questions that I wanted to ask you is like, and I don't know what your agenda is, so that's why it's hard for me to work with you a little bit right now. But one of my questions is like, we talked about shape-shifters, you're saying you've worked with people who have defected from the Illuminati. It's like, okay, like, clearly there's got to be some substantial evidence to this, because hundreds of people are having the same story that don't know each other, and they're all talking to you. It's like, yeah, that's crazy. Like, I get a lot of emails, which is like, man, you want to try to do the math, the mathematics on that? That's like statistically impossible for that to happen. But one of the things I'm so interested in is like, in America, this is a question because I know it's, it's a d- a little bit of a dumb question, but the question is, why don't we see some of this stuff in, like, day-to-day life? Why is this so hard for us to believe as Americans? I could imagine most people listening to this be like, yeah, it's not real shape-shifting, whatever. Why don't we see it?

Okay, um, I'm going, I'm going to push back on that just a little bit. Please. People do see it. I deal with something I call, I, I just coined this term, the false reality overlay. Okay? False reality overlay is an imposed worldview and belief system that is held together by like corporate agreement, basically. It begins in childhood. We're groomed to believe that certain things are true and certain things are untrue, impossible. And it's an indoctrination that sits within the subconscious of the whole society. It's like, if you break rank with this view of reality, we will call you crazy. You will be put in a mental institution or, you know, maybe some drugs because you are a deviant. And that false reality overlay is actually a lie. And so what happens is, it's not that people don't see it. It's that they don't talk about it. Unless they're talking to me. After I get done speaking at a conference, that's when everybody wants to air all their dirty laundry. And there's a lot of it. And then people come to me and they're like, Dan, this happened to me. And Dan, I saw this. And Dan, you what you were talking about, that I saw shape-shifter, man, they shape-shifting on my farm, bro. Like, everyone comes out of the woodwork when they have their moment. But that's because there's like this protective bubble. Like, you know, I live in a realm of truth. I'm like, I, I, I, I journey with the spirit of truth. I don't care what the false reality overlay is from one culture to the next because I'm a Jesus guy, right? And so when, when I could come to be like, people that you would think, oh, that person is like totally normal. No, they're not. No, they're not. And you know what? They've seen UFOs, maybe they had an abduction memory, maybe they have this going on, maybe they have voices in their head. They're not telling you, but they're telling me. So, and that's in this country. So, you know, I, I mean, thank you. That's exactly that's that's in this country.

I'll tell you what, the, the more the longer that we go with this, the more interest there is. And you, you know, your stuff is blowing up, guys, because you're tackling issues that people care about. People want to know about the pandemic. They want to know about the Nephilim. They want to know about technology. They want to know about artificial intelligence. They want to know what the heck is happening to them. One of the reasons why people are so interested in so many of these subjects is because they know something isn't right. I have my own story, right? I didn't just wind up in this journey where I am with Christ because everything went right. There's a lot of things that went wrong, believe me. You know, way before I tried to get into ministry, um, I was exposed to the Demonic realm for reasons that were not my choice. I mean, I remember from a young kid, I would wake up at night, you know, and I, I mean, I was like the kid from The Sixth Sense. I would just see them walking around. I mean, with my eyes wide open. Now, I'm a seer, right? But I, I don't have to see with torment anymore. It's a completely different experience now. But at that time, I, I, I, I mean, from, from, I mean, two, three years old, I, I, I, I saw a whole series of different kinds of entities walking around. Um, and it was very traumatizing. Only one time that I see something that was holy. I did have one encounter with an angel. I saw it physically with my eyes. Other than that, it was all dark. Then, um, it turned around and it stopped for maybe a year or two. And picked up this time. These spirits started actually physically jumping me. And I would be sleeping in my bed. I, I, and sometimes I would actually hear the chimes or some kind of thing. And I would be like, okay, that means a portal opened. Something would just walk in. I'd be in sleep paralysis mode. I, you know, it's like, here it comes. And the spirit would just jump on me, beat me up, wrestle me, whatever it was. Some of these could last, you know, few minutes to an hour. Like, you know, and I learned one thing during that season of my life, and that was the name of Jesus stopped it. Once I could wake up out of it and say it out loud. But it didn't end the experiences. It would stop an experience. And it took me many years of journeying with God to get to the point where the experiences were completely cut off. And that's just like my own testimony. So from, I would say maybe like 12 all the way through college, I mean, I, I had some wild spiritual experiences that were like very dark. I, I, I mean, there was one point in time I woke up, there were actual scratches on my body. Like, and, and, and there was another time, I mean, I, and this was a big mistake, you know? So I, I was in college, I had gone out the night before, wasn't, you know, the best choices made. Um, so I was, I, I, I, I was totally hung over the next morning. And, um, I was like, yep, I'm really tired. I need to go back to bed. As I was falling asleep, I mean, it was, it was just ridiculous what happened because the TV was on, turned to white noise. I'm not kidding. This is exactly how the experience played out to me. The TV turned to white noise. I'm like, this is not going to go well. And I knew all my gate. I had no armor. I had no protection. Like, I was going to be at the mercy of whatever this one was. And the spirit actually crawled out of the white noise in the TV. Now, I'm in a, like, like almost like a parallel dimension at this point because I'm in an intermediary consciousness. I'm not awake, but I'm not asleep. This thing crawls out the TV. I see it. It doesn't like, it's not the ring girl, but it, it's like a two-dimensional. I couldn't, I don't even know how to explain it. It was like it was black and white. It was like 2D. So it didn't have any depth. But I could see it. And it flashed around the room a few times. This is my college dorm. And, and I was just like, and then I just got beat up for a while, like by the spirit, until I was that finally able to say the name of Jesus. And, you know, somehow he still came through for me because he was, you know, full of mercy and grace. But, um, that, you know, this is another example of like, the, the crazy stuff. And, you know, I, I, I mean, you look at me from the outside, I was an honor student, right? I, I, I graduated college with a bachelor's of microbiology with honors and distinction. Um, I was musically inclined, you know, very good at other things. And, you know, it, I, I would look like the kind of person that really had their stuff together for the most part. I was having crazy spiritual experiences. And what I learned was that this happened to me largely because of some of the iniquity in my own bloodline. I had Voodoo from my one side of the family, um, and what's called, uh, Speedy them from the other side of the family. So I got like inheritances that were demonic inheritances from both. I believe that I was born with my third eye open. I, I, so I was seeing the, the traumatic side of the spirit world. And that stuff had to get resolved so that all of these encounters would stop and I could be at peace.

Did you close that? Absolutely. Absolutely. But I didn't know what it was. But yeah, absolutely. It was closed. And, um, I mean, you know, I don't have problems like this at all. I mean, I sleep like a baby unless my babies are not sleeping like babies. Exactly. And whoever said that, by the way, like, oh, sleep like a baby. Like, that whole thing is such a misnomer. Babies don't sleep sometimes. That's true. How many do you have? I have two. Two? Yeah. Have a three-year-old and a, and a one-year-old. And, um, no, now they, they're up. We're trying to get Jake to just cross that line. So start having the kids. You're 24, man. It's time. Working on it, guys. If you want Jake and Heather to have a baby, just comment in the video so we can speed up. Okay, so you, if we have a kid because of a comment section, I'm, I'm quitting. So you closed your, you closed your third eye? Oh, yeah. Okay.

I'll take this back from Jake because he just took us into like South Africa and left us there. I told you. So now we're coming. He needs to me. He needs to meet my friends in Africa. Uh, do you do any work over there? I've been there a few times. Yeah. It's wild. Come over there with me. K's face says everything right now. I love it. Been a few times. He's like, no, we'll pass on that right now. I, I, I'm going to go. I'll be going back to Africa at some point. That's inevitable. Okay, cool. Um, you closed your third eye. Why is the third eye a problem? Because there's some people that think that you can be like playing both worlds. What is the third eye? If people don't know what it is, do you know what it is? How to open it? How it's connected to the nervous system? What it does? Associate it with like astral projection, heightened awareness? I don't quite completely understand. Okay, can you give us an overview on that and why it's dangerous?

So I believe that the third eye, I mean, they, they, they call it a, a chakra, like the third eye. Um, it is the center of the forehead, but it's really the pineal gland. And, um, this is how I explain it. Like, for people that want to get into the occult and they want to be able to encounter the spirit world, they want to be able to have some perception into it, they need to have a gate open that allows them to do that. And there are specific ways and rituals by which a person can have their third eye open. And it, and it heightens their sensitivity to the spirit world. And so they'll do that. Now, here's the thing about being in Christ. See, in Christ, we actually do have spiritual senses that God designed us to use. And we also have Holy Spirit, right? But among those, the third eye is not that. The third eye would be a counterfeit. It's what I call a counterfeit gate. It's a counterfeit gate. And so, um, I, I would look at, and this is how I've explained it, you know, because I've had a lot of people ask me about like the chakra system in general and, you know, coming into alignment and doing these new age meditations and all the stuff. Where does that sit? Is it even real? And I believe that you, you can fool everybody once, but you can't fool everyone all the time. And you can't say that this thing is a thing and fool everybody and there's no truth to something at all. So, do, do chakra points exist? And can they be, you know, activated through different initiations, um, new age practices and all that? I believe so. But I believe there's a reason why. And, and the reason why does not necessarily mean that it is something God wants us to do. I believe that the human vessel is basically engineered by a total genius, right? God, who created us in His image. And the way that we're engineered, our human body is kind of like a giant electrical circuit. We have, we have electrical firing going all over our body. Our neural network is basically a path of electrical signals going to and from the brain. Um, and a lot of those pathways create what traditional Chinese medicine would call meridian lines, which are pathways of energy travel through the body. That's just an observation. I don't think it, and, and it's true. That's like scientific. Not only do we have energy pathways through the body, the body and its organs actually generate energy fields. And depending on which organ you're talking about, those energy fields will be bigger or smaller. They say the energy field around the brain extends about a foot from the body. But the energy field around the heart extends 8 to 12 feet from the body. Like, you could feel a person's heart realm when you come into the room with them. Um, and I think all of that, it did end, they toroidal in shape, by the way. What does that mean? Toroidal is basically like a donut, but it's compressible. So if you take a donut and you compress it, it becomes spherical. But if you pull it apart, it looks like a donut. That, that's like, um, you know, one of these energy fields around the human body or one of its organs. So, and that's defined by a specific equation, right? So anyway, because the human body is this giant electrical circuit, there are like convergence points where you have like a lot of activity centralized for whatever reason. Those are hackable. And I believe that those occur at certain points in the body that would include what they call the chakra system. So there are convergence points of natural energy pathway flow. But what happens is, if you use some kind of demonic process, you can open that up to be used for something God did not design it to be used for. A gate. And the third eye specifically becomes a gate of seeing into the spirit world that God did not design us to use. So it's counterfeit. And that's why you, it, it really gives person sight, not into the things of God and what God is doing. It gives him sight into the astral plane and a lot of the Demonic sphere. And also, you know, at least my experience, right, when I was going through what I went through as a kid, it was always torment. There was no peace. It's like, if I'm going to see something in the spirit world, it was awful. It was fear-invoking. Um, and so when, when we're working with people, we close the third eye and we teach them to work with Holy Spirit to do any kind of seeing that they are supposed to be doing, as well as their God-given spiritual senses. But that third eye would not be legitimate.

Yeah, this is why we've talked about this on the show before. Um, in, in our businesses, we have, you, tons and tons of people who are spiritual, right? Like maybe they're, maybe they're Christian, maybe they're Hindu, maybe they're like, new age, doesn't matter. Um, but people always kind of ask, like, for spiritual practices. And I'm very careful because psychedelics, for instance, um, you're, any way you get in, if it's not through Holy Spirit, you're forfeiting the protection of Holy Spirit when you're there. And so people will get trapped. I mean, they'll get trapped through astral projection, they'll get trapped through psychedelics. And so I would imagine that the third, similar, like there are realms that you could go to that are not safe to go to if you're not being taken there, uh, totally with Holy Spirit. Yeah. Yeah. Very dangerous. Um, the spirit world is riddled with danger, especially at the lower planes. I mean, and, and we can get into, come on, dude. Uh, we, we conversation on, you're like, you're in like the kitty pool. And we've been going for like 30 minutes. Let's get it. Five or six feet. All right. You can still touch. You know, like, you're not going to drown. And then we'll just go to like 12 feet. I have to measure because if I go too fast, yeah, it's like, what did he even say? Let's just skip the five to six feet. Okay. Let's just go straight into the 12. What do you want to know? Have you, have you worked with people who've gotten trapped in the spirit world or pieces of them?

So this is where that goes. So we talk about regions of captivity. Regions of captivity are areas of the spirit world where things are housed, okay, that belong to human. So, so before I talk about that, I have to, I just, let me say this. Go for it. You're good. Design of man. Design of man. You brought up essence. MH. I'm going to define terms. Okay. Essence is life. So when the Bible says, um, in Him, John 1:4, "In Him was life, and that life was the light of men." What I believe and have found to be the case is that Jesus is the source of life. He's the creator. So if there's a spirit being that has a signature of life that came from Jesus, and that comes on the back of a conversation, that's an exposition on Genesis 1:1. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were created by Him and for Him. And without Him, nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and that life was the light of man." So the way that I look at it, we have essence, which is life. And essence, being that life signature, leads to spirit. Spirit is essentially derived from essence, which is life. But it's not the only thing derived from essence, which is life. As we move forward in the nature of mankind, I believe that you also have soul that's derived from essence, which is distinct from spirit. And ultimately, the body itself is derived from essence. So the signature of life that we get from God that says, this is a legitimate child of God, Dan Duval, legitimate. The life force that's sitting in my physical body is the same that's sitting in my soul, that's the same that's sitting in

My spirit that makes me one person. That's how it's distinguished that I have a body and soul that's different from yours, but we are one in Christ Jesus. Right? So we all have this signature that sits underneath everything. I believe that that's called life. And then another way to refer to life is as essence.

So, what, what happens is you have body, you have soul, and you have spirit. And I talked a little bit about fragmentation of the soul, but Psalm 51:17 says, "The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart." The Bible actually talks about how a broken spirit dries the bones. Um, you know, uh, uh, uh, a spirit will keep us even in sickness. It says somewhere, I, I believe this is in the Book of Proverbs, but "Who can endure a broken spirit?" Um, these all give you an idea that not only does a soul break or get torn in pieces so that God has to restore the soul, the spirit as well. So you can have brokenness in spirit, you can have brokenness in the soul, brokenness in the heart, and brokenness in the body. Isaiah 61 says, "He came to bind up the brokenhearted," and then it says, "to set at liberty the oppressed, to open the prison doors to them which are bound." That is your gate into regions of captivity.

Because every person knows that not everyone that goes to jail is going to get out because they accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. That's not what Isaiah 61 means. He came to open the prison doors to them which are bound. This is spiritual captivity. And so what you have is in the spirit world, all kinds of reasons why a person can be captured and subdued and held hostage. Um, and I can give you a list. Number one, they've been through a Satanic ritual. Number two, they've been through a ritual that's almost ancestral or connected to their family practices as an infant, or a dedication that was to a foreign God, or something like that. If they grew up Hindu, or they grew up this, or they grew up that, any kind of thing like that can lead to a capture of a piece of soul legally through the demonic realm.

Also, drugs. It's a, drugs are a major reason why, including psychedelics, people have pieces of their soul or spirit captured. Because once the gates of protection go down, and those psychedelic drugs and those like rituals and things like that to evil gods or just demonic entities in general, those things get dropped legally. This stuff can come in and start taking humanity. And when they take it, they lock it up and they use it for all kinds of things. In fact, I told people, what, when you get to the spirit world, they don't care as much about silver and gold and Bitcoin. They want human goods. They, they want essence, they want soul fragments, they want pieces of the spirit because they can, they can use it. So you have people that have humanity that has been, and, and the Bible talks about this in Revelation 18, because when we talk about Babylon, Babylon trades in the bodies and souls of men, not just the bodies, bodies and souls. The, the, so, so not only do souls get stuck in spiritual environments that are regions of captivity, they get trafficked around.

What are they using it for? Oh my gosh. So I, with, with that, I think also it would be awesome to hear examples if you can share people's stories along the way. I'm trying to get to, so what? Yeah, no, just with me for a second. Go his way. We, we'll wrap in. I like if I'm not having to wear floaties, I'm going to, I'm not happy. So you got, I'm like, it's got to be, what are they using it for? Why are they trying to take pieces of power? Like, what do they do? Eat it? Power? So, so for instance, a, a warlock may, uh, uh, take pieces of a person's soul. That, and they'll use like soul capturing. They talk about it in the Book of Ezekiel, like, "Will you hunt my people's souls to make them fly?" Like, it, I believe it's Ezekiel 13. They talk about soul hunters, and it is an ancient practice, but it continues through this day. Um, they will, in some cases, storm in jars, literally jars, like they'll have a whole basement full of jars. They will ritually or magically put people's soul fragments in those jars, and they'll use it for power. Um, you would be shocked at how many soul fragments are lodged in the physical, literally the vessels of other people. And that is something that we run into so often. It'll make you sick. I have three prayers called "Freedom from Human Persecutors," and I have found so many cases where people's humanity is actually locked up in other people. I'll give you an example. It's Ezekiel 13:18. There it is.

So, um, you want to read it? Yeah. This is what the Sovereign Lord says: "Woe to you who are ensnaring the souls of my people. You tie magic charms on their wrists and furnish them with magic veils. Do you think you can trap others without bringing destruction on yourself?" Interesting. Never read that before. Yeah. I mean, you can also jump into Revelation 18 and and read about how they, Babylon trades in the bodies and souls of men. Um, so, so regions of captivity, regions of captivity, uh, uh, they can include a lot of things, right? So I, I, I got to vessels of people. I'm going to give you an example. We ran into, and I was working with a person that had been through some of these mind control projects. I, I feel like I'm way off the deep end at this point, but I'm going to tell you what happened. This is where we like to be. We got to a point, and, uh, we were exploring their inner world, which was not built by imagination only. It was built with the help of programmers, drugs, and torture. So it was expansive. And, uh, when we got to a certain point in the inner world, we met literally the soul of a Nazi. Whoa. And the idea was that that soul had been through some kind of process. We could call transmigration, or whatever. They, they had somehow been able to move it before it was taken somewhere else in the spirit world, like hell or whatever, from the body it was in, into the person themselves. And they stored it in like a container inside. And the, the idea was that it would stay in that person, the person's inner world itself being the region of captivity, until a certain point when they would be able to extract that consciousness or soul from the individual through another process and put it in a new body that they would build for it. They would build the body. Yeah. From the soul? For the soul. For it. Okay. So it's like the body dies. We're going to take the soul, consciousness, store it in another human being. That was part of these projects for 20, 30, 40, 50 years until we're bringing aspects of our new world order online. We're building new bodies, U, maybe bodies that are engraved like clones with the mark of the beast technology and all kinds of other abilities. And then we're going to pull that soul consciousness out of the survivor that lived all those 40, 50 years with the thing in it and put it back in. Unfortunately, they sat in one of our sessions. So Jesus got to it first, and it went where it belonged. But what I said, a person can be used as a region of captivity, like the human vessel. That is just, I'm just trying to qualify that statement. Um, we have found regions of captivity associated with the moon, with Mars, with Orion, with the Pleiades, with various areas of the known universe, with Hollow Earth, with the underworld, Hades and Tartarus included. We have found soul fragments all over the heavens that are locked up in various states of abuse. Some of them are like concentration camps. We, we found soul fragments that have been trafficked to mining operations off-planet. Now we're in deep water. And I, I feel like I just skipped a bunch of steps. So I'm telling you.

So when you go through and you do this, can I keep going? Okay. When you, when you're doing this deliverance, um, how does someone know whether a part of their soul is being traded or captured or whatever? Will they be able to tell? Just their emotional wreck? Or like, yeah. So usually the way that it happens, no one starts with, "Hey Dan, I, I have this thing." I mean, unless they listen to the podcast and Dan, the Lord, said something and the Lord just punched him in the gut and it's like, "All right." But usually it starts with this: "I don't sleep well. I have voices in my head. I experience blackouts. Um, I have dysfunction in some area of my life. I need help." And as we begin to figure out why the dysfunction is present, we always start with, like, you know, the best, best intents. Like, "Okay, well, maybe this is a simple problem. Yeah, maybe we could just bind, renounce something, you know, just clear it out. We're good. You know, maybe heal a little bit of bullying hurt that you have from your past." But as we go after it and we work very closely with the Holy Spirit of Truth and Jesus Christ, um, things begin to unpack. And so it may work out like this. One of the things the Bible says, right? Jesus said, "I'll never leave you or forsake you." You know, He's there. The Bible says, "He stands at the door and knocks." So I use these promises and I'll be like, you know, "Jesus, you stand at the door and knock. We invite you to to come in and be present just beneath the surface." I use that term as a place right beneath conscious presentation, outside the body awareness, whatever. And the person will actually experience Jesus like right here inside of them. They'll see Him and they'll be like, "Why is this? Or what's going on here? What's the problem there?" And He'll begin to open the spirit world for the person, and they'll be seeing and having their own encounter. They'll be like, "Daniel, Jesus is showing me a mining operation, you know, right off Sirius Colony." "What do you mean, mining operation? Sirius Colony? Why? Why?" "Well, I see some people there, and He's saying that's me." And it's like, "Oh, okay. Well, I guess we should go there and get you back." And you're like, "How do you end up in these situations?" Like, "Jesus got us in the situation because He's the one that's actually leading the charge on a lot of this revelation." It's like, once He takes you there, then you just got to deal with whatever the problem presenting is. So, so that's where we get into, um, some of the higher-level tools because this is like, you know, how do you fast-track some of these processes when you're dealing with regions of captivity, locations of stuff that is off-planet or whatever it is? And, you know, we have prayers like in my "Advanced Prayers of Shake Heaven and Earth" book. We call a "Rum Buster" prayer. We use it to take down whole realms of regions of captivity within 10 or 15 minutes, not only delivering, say, that person, but any other soul fragments that have been trafficked to a particular region of captivity that are, are, are propagating that injustice. Like everyone's going to get set free with our tools all at the same time. And, and so it's very, very powerful the way that we've gotten wisdom to deal with this stuff. And it takes 10, 15 minutes, massive breakthrough, healing, deliverance. It's, it's crazy the fruit. But the, what, what the fruit requires is an understanding like, uh, this false reality overlay has held us back from a lot of information. So let me run some scientific scripts for a second, just help people out to know that this is real, because I think at first people are like, "No way." Imagine, hit the pause button. This is crazy. Um, this might open up a can of worms that we can follow as well. So I'm studying right now for, um, an episode I'm supposed to do on prayer. So I want to know, I want to know what prayer does in the spirit, because there's a lot of people who know that they should pray, but don't pray. Yeah. Um, but it, I've been convicted on this, like, if you knew it was happening in the spirit when you were praying, you'd pray all the time about everything. And so one of the paths that this led me down is there was, uh, a study, I think it was in 1980, 1978, called Delayed Choice. When quantum was first, like, we, we were first figuring out, like, this is changing science. And it's gotten more and more popular. It's controversial. But the idea is that the particles in the quantum realm are a, uh, they're run on understanding. And what the things know, not on the connection of two different things. So you take, like, what did you call it? The beginning when two things meet together? Composite. Composite. So it's not composites not driving things in the quantum world. Understanding is when you know something, the formula changes. Wow. And so in the spiritual realm, is what I'm like trying to ask Holy Spirit to tell me, because I'm like, this is crazy. Every promise in the Bible is powered by your understanding and belief that it is real, which is duplicated and mirrored in quantum, uh, sciences, in quantum physics and astrophysics and all this stuff. And so this is why when somebody believes this something, when they understand it, then they believe it, the room will change. Yeah. And the principles will change. They are observing us based on our understanding and then giving us something based on what we understand. So when you, you can be, you can be generous and not understand what generosity does based on the promises of God, and it is now just a donation. Wow. It's not activating the promise of generosity. You can, um, you can pray for something but not believe that it's going to actually happen, and the understanding and belief will deride the power from it. Huge. So what you're talking about, and I want people to catch this, is when you are having experiences where it's difficult and something's not right, there's dysfunction, the worst thing in the world that you could that you could do is just like listen to this and be like, "Well, I don't think any of this is real." Because then you're going to be plagued by it. The best thing to do is begin to open yourself up and to really begin asking Holy Spirit, like, "Will you show me if this is true? Where this is in my life?" Or come to one of your conferences. But it seems to me that the, the, the scientific realm is trying to mirror, or it is mirroring the spiritual reality. It's just mirroring. I agree. I mean, I would say this, right? "As a man thinks in his heart, so is he." 100%. I look at the heart as a seat of human intuition. And when you look at how the heart really affects a person, it is the anchor point for their whole belief system. Right? In fact, I believe that once you understand the heart, you can understand trauma-based mind control, and you can understand faith, and everything in between. It, it makes everything make sense. Mhm. So, so the heart is the place where, like, if you, you say, "Okay, I can do this, or I can't do this." Whatever that belief is, when it's in the heart, it creates a reality. So as a man thinks in his heart, so is he. If you think you're a loser, like your whole life reveals that fact. In fact, it pulls in activity to that person that will confirm to them, "I guess I am a loser." You know, while substantiates. Correct. While another belief system. So when you look at praying from your heart, right? If, if your heart is scripted with the promises of God, yep. That becomes your belief system. Yep. And you pray from that place. Every word you say has weight. They're not just words, they have, they're weighted words that this now can create. And that's the whole idea is like, God has created us in His image. We're creative beings. But in order to engage creative capacity as sons of God, you need your heart involved. You need your belief system convicted, and you need words to frame that conviction. And once those words are issued, those, this is where, like, the Greek word for word is actually "thing." It's like they create. And, and, and so when we're praying and we have understanding, um, I know, like, if we're taking down some kind of massive region of captivity for a person that's been locked up and in bondage, and for that reason, they can't sleep, and their finances are affected, when I speak to that, there's understanding, there's revelation, and there are words. That thing is now coming under a rescripting in the spirit world. It, it will change because of the power of God. And the result is breakthrough. The result is healing. The result is restoration of finances. 100%. And that's faith. That's faith.

So you talk about, like, there are different kingdoms. Like, uh, I watched a video of yours where you talked about, like, the Marine Kingdom. Yeah. Are there, is there more than just the Marine Kingdom? Is there a hierarchy at play? Like, what's, what's the topography of this? You ask really good questions. Thank you. I think that's a compliment. You look like you're about to pass out. We can, I mean, you know, it's, it, there's so much to say. So I'm like, gosh, I, I feel like I have, I've done your audience a disservice because I feel like I've only given them 70% of explaining even where we got now. We'll get you back. We'll get you back. Um, you definitely have a Marine Kingdom, okay? In fact, um, when you look at Jonah and Nineveh, like these guys at Nineveh, one of the reasons why they received Jonah is because they worshiped a fish god. And when Jonah comes out of the fish, they say, "This guy must have been sent by one of our gods." And he said, "We're going to die in three days. Let's repent in ashes and, you know, make good with God." And for whatever reason, it worked. God looked at that situation, delayed the judgment of Nineveh 40 years. But there's more to the story historically, like that, because the underwater kingdom has always been understood as a real thing. There are many entities associated with the underwater Kingdom. And look, the way the Earth works, this planet is not just a surface with a thick solid core, nothing going on. I'm telling you, this planet has reality happening at every layer. There is an astral plane that sits right next to the physical plane that has its own set of realities. You might have, like, a house or farm on the physical Earth, and it's like, "That's what I see." But if you move into the astral plane, you're going to see a command center sitting in an open field where there's nothing physically at all, but from that command center, they're running operations. Or they're overlapped directly. There are some locations that are like, there's just as much going on in the physical as there is in the spirit because of the interplay between that location and the astral plane. I promise you, the Pentagon is one of them. But, uh, I already w a whole lot of location. There's just as much going on in the spirit as there is in the astral. And I use astral intentionally because there are different layers of the spirit world. Yeah. Um, um, so, so when when you move through the Earth, you have the Marine Kingdom, but then you also have a whole lot of activity that's underground. One of the verses in the Bible, it says this, that "at the name of Jesus every knee must bow, in heaven and on Earth and below the Earth." Under the Earth. Boom. Bingo. What's under the Earth? Well, realistically, below sea level, you have the Marine Kingdom, but you also have the underground Kingdom. And that would include all kinds of creatures that the Earth has millions of miles of tunnels. No one even over in the Middle East, they, the Hittites have inscriptions on tunnels, but historians look at that and they say, "No, the Hittites themselves found these tunnels. These tunnels are ancient. Who dug these?" Some of them, you can just walk for miles and miles. Some of them, you better not go anywhere near those without some kind of authorization in the spirit world to be there, because it's not empty. And you, I mean, there's whole a lot of testimony about like even reptilian civilization deep under the, the Earth. And then you have the other side of this reality, the Hollow Earth. And believe, Hollow Earth is 100% real. It is. And there is so much activity going on there. And I run into this in my world because a lot of the survivors that I work with have parts that have had to be trafficked back and forth from the Hollow Earth. They have whole Nephilim races down there. They have corporations down there. They have governments down there. They have access points. A big one is in Antarctica. Everybody knows that. Sheila, you know. And but here's the, here's the thing. There are portals all over the Earth that access different areas of this planet. Um, and in fact, some of the most significant ones are under the water. So underwater, there are massive labyrinths that have portals that lead not only to locations on this Earth, but parallel Earths, believe it or not. And, and you can even access other locations like other planets with some of these portals as well. And so, but, but like in every area, you have have different kinds of governments. I mean, yes, you do have fallen angel things. You have massive hybrid activity on all of these locations. You also have a lot of human agency in the form of parts. And, and really, when you get into the reality of what they're doing, I'm going to tell you something. Tell me. I'm the world's not really ready for this. But, but they've had clones for a very long time. You know, they're trying to say Kanye West is crazy because he put out a music video talking about clones. That was a few years ago. It's like, "Oh, no, no, no, no." They have so many different cloning technologies. And one of the things that is, they like the spirit world or governments, both. You, you could look at it like this. There are fallen angels involved. Mhm. There are entity groups involved. And there are human groups involved. And they have operations. Some of these are done in conjunction with world governments, but most of it is need-to-know, classified, above top secret areas. Budgets are black. You can't know how things are happening. Uh, a lot of stuff happens either in underground bases, secret locations, off-planet. Um, but, you know, it's, it's a consortium. There's like groups, and they're run by councils in the spirit world. I mean, and so they, that world, um, have, have developed with the help of, I let's say, with fallen angel technology, a lot of different types of clone technologies. And so you have just like region of captivity conversation, so parts being put in different places to be, um, held hostage. They put soul fragments, which is consciousness, human consciousness, in clone bodies and run those clone bodies in some of these environments where they're not sending the original physical body to. So you will have people be placed in clone bodies. And I believe that this is actually the entire foundation of what I would call the secret space program, because they're sending stuff way out. And so is this where you would find like validity around people saying they have had like reincarnation experiences? Like a soul that was put into their body and so they're remembering things that they didn't do? The whole past life thing? I think it's, it's part of it. I think it's part of it. I mean, I would also say that genetic memory is part of the past life thing as well, because ancestral memories that actual ancestors experience can be stored in the DNA and recovered from the DNA. But yes, experiences that soul fragments have in different locations, if they are sent back to this body, can be recovered by the, what I would call the presenting consciousness. And then like, "Whoa, what the heck is happening to me? And I must have had this other past life or I'm just losing my mind." Crazy. Yeah. Yeah. What's a, what's a lay? Did I, did I, I went way off the plane. No, you didn't. You're good. What's a, what's a? He wants to ask a question. What's a lay line? Cuz we're talking about kingdoms and stuff. But dude, you probably have this. We're like, have you ever dealt with? So a lay line is a, um, energy pathway that sits between two locations of extraordinary historical significance. So a lay line, you might have a lay line between, like, the Temple Mount and London, or the Temple Mount in Washington D.C., or, you know, C, C, like, there's a lot of lay lines that run all over the Earth. They're like massive highways. And there's a lot. They can use those for all kinds of different things. Um, you can also create lay lines by the way you set up a city or a town. Let me explain. Um, in, in, I think in the secret societies, they understand lay lines very well, which is why they do things a certain way. So for instance, if you look at any city that was set up by Freemasons as founding fathers, they're going to have certain attributes or characteristics. One of them, you're going to notice that there's a main road. Everything that is significant goes on one road for power. So they will put the, the, the city hall, they'll put the police station, they'll put the fire station, the hospital, the Freemasonic lodge, and the Baptist Church was paid for by the Freemasonic lodge, and it's all on one street. And then everybody lives off of that street, and they have little subdivisions. But those are just houses and, you know, but every, a lot of the main commerce is happening on that. You've created a lay line. And whoever owns that spiritually has spiritual power over the human activity in that area. So that's completely on purpose. And it's also redeemable when the children of God begin to understand territorial conversations, which now you're walking me into a whole other world. We could talk about territorial work all day long. Um, there are ways to take lay lines in the name of Jesus. Yeah. Are you okay? I'm good. I mean, I'm worried about you and your audience. That's a, they good. If you're having fun, we're just, I'm having a great time. We're going. Jake, what you got? So from, I love to think from the audience's perspective sometimes, not even my own. But you're so convinced in your, like, going after it. I could only imagine being in your position of going from like the normal, like, Jesus and a Baptist Church, Jesus doesn't talk today, to like, "Hey, someone's got half their souls on like Mercury." You're bad. Whoops. That's rough. Like, how do you not just go from that to this? Yes, in five minutes. Like, five minutes your audience did. Yeah, I guess so. But the, my question is like, how, like, one, what was it like for you to experience this? To, how did you come to some of these conclusions? What were like maybe one or two stories or like experiences you had with people that, ah, there it is. He wants stories of like, what got you to go, "Oh, oh, shoot. This is, this is legit." Because there's real implications in believing this. When you believe this, this changes your whole, a lot of your paradigm and how you see the world. Here's the deal. Big question. You have to understand my training was not textbook. I am not like a guy that just sits down and reads books for 30 years and praise God for those people. But, uh, I was just literally thrown into the deepest end of the pool and it's like, "Survive." And the reason why is because I decided, "Yes, Jesus, I want to help people." And there are people that need help that no one knows how to help. Yeah. And so going like way back to some of my early work with survivors, um, I, I'll give you an example. So when we, when we talk about a person that survived Satanic ritual abuse in government projects, we're going to talk about someone that has had their mind shattered, right? They have soul parts, and those soul parts have progressed to the point that they are alternate personalities. When you work with these people, the alternate personalities will be able to rotate to the surface over time, and they'll be able to tell you certain information. They'll be able to explain, "This happened to me. That happened to me. This is what I believe. This is who I am." So on and so forth. Fantastic. Well, I found out that that's not the only kind of sentience that will be in a person. One of the things the Bible says, and this is probably going to blow your mind a little bit, but that's what we're here for, is that "His angels will bear us up in their hands, lest we dash our foot upon a stone." Psalm 91. Most people would take this passage to mean that God has sent us a guardian angel, and he just stands right there and keeps us from dying at the wrong time or whatever. No, it's actually way more extraordinary than that. And there are what I would call posts. And God will give angels posts relative to a person's life, and those posts may include that there's a post relative to business deals. There are actually angels on assignment to assure that that person has certain business dealings, or a post relative to protection, or a post relative to a healing journey. Like, like there will be posts relative to the children, post relative to guarding the property that the person owns, all these different posts. Posts relative to their financial situation. In fact, I'm going to leave that one alone. We'll come back. Remember that I didn't finish my thought there. Okay. And, um, one of the things that we found is that there will be posts on the inside of the system of a person that has been highly programmed and traumatized. So God will send that soul and that spirit in, and there'll be some angels, sometimes that come with them, and actually go into the body. And those angels will be on assignment in the body to help the child survive the programming that they're going to endure from these very evil people, the death rituals, the all the crazy technology stuff. I mean, it's it's insane. And I, I'm, I'm sparing your audience the gruesome details, but if you want it, I can give you a lot of them. Um, but, you know, they, so, so they go through, and sometimes they'll even step in for the child. So the child, like, there's no humanity left to survive what they're going through. Sometimes the angels that have been sent on assignment with that child, because God's plan is their redemption, we can get into that conversation about how, why that even happens, but like, it'll, the angel will come forward and take the abuse in the body. And then once that's over, the child comes back. And it wasn't an altar that was present for that. It was actually the angel that took a post relative to that survivor's life, because God is journeying the whole thing. He already knows what they're going to go through being born into that bloodline before they get there. This is actually a manifestation of His grace. All right. So I'm, I'm working with a person, and I meet a part. I think it's a part. It's like nine years old. And I start talking to it. I'm like, "Wow, you seem to actually know a lot. You kind of know a lot about what this person went through. You know a lot about some things." Is this in the spirit? Are you seeing during the way that it's working? I'm sitting on one end of a phone call, person's on the other phone call. I would say, you know, "Is there anyone on the inside that wants to talk to me?" And it's like, "Oh, um, let's just call him Phil. Phil's back." Phil has come forward and he's telling me this. Now, the person hears the voice in their head, but this would be like one of the parts of humanity coming beneath the surface, and so it's their experience, and they're reporting it to me. Got it. Okay. So let's just say that this guy is named Phil, and he's nine. He knows a lot. Lives on the inside of a survivor. Um, and, and we're going along, and I'm like, "Why do you seem so smart?" And he starts to teach me some things, like, "Actually, this is how they did this type of programming, and this is how they did that type of programming." Oh, host. Like, "Didn't remember." "No." "Got it." "Posted." "Remember this thing." "New." And it was later revealed with Jesus present. Like, so, so the person, they're in, they're looking inside of their inner world. They're seeing Jesus, they're seeing, we'll call him Phil. And it was like, "Is Phil actually part of so-and-so's humanity?" She like, "No, no." "I was like, is Phil an angel?" "Yes." "You mean that I've been getting all this programming explained to me for these months, broken down, telling me how they did this and this and this and that, by an angel on the inside that was explaining to me what the person couldn't remember and giving me details about how to address certain issues?" This is like, this takes me back to 2013, 2014, right? That is some of the platform. How after that, I started to meet many more. And other people that I would sit down with would have different angels that come forward. And they would just, like, after a while, they started greeting me. They knew. They knew that I knew. And they would just come forward. "I've never heard this person before. This is so-and-so." And I'm like, "Are they an angel?" They're like, "Oh my gosh, yeah." And then they would just give me, they would just spill the tea. Wow. And so I got a lot of what I would call divine knowledge, just by that. But what happened was, they, they would explain things to me on a certain level of understanding, right? And then with Holy Spirit, Jesus, my own human spirit, like, we would work together, you know? I mean, both in my own prayer closet, and then when I was sitting down helping these people to figure out better ways on the basis of existing knowledge of how to approach problems in the spirit world to get people set free faster. So it's a combination of divine knowledge being given to me, plus like processing through it, expanding out the concept, and be like, "Well, well, if this is true, and this is true, could we do this? Or could we do that? What if we did it this way?" Some of this wisdom gets revealed in my prayers because if you read the language, like the language is strange. It's like, "Where did you get this stuff?" But some of it was learned through a process of working with Jesus, with angels, with parts that observe certain things as well, um, and, and, and then working through it. So how do you get to where you are now? The answer is through a process. And the reason why I went through the process because I said yes to Jesus. I said, "I'm not here to be weird. I'm here because I want Your people healed and set free. And what is it going to take?" Because many of the people that I've sat down with over the years, they've been to a lot of different Christian ministries. Like, I'm not the first. I, for a while, I was saying, "We're probably the last stop on the bus line. You don't get off at Bride Ministries until you've tried everything else because we're, we're just out there now." We're working our way up because I think that we're getting a little bit more legitimacy. People are like, "No, they actually know what they're doing." Um, but, but yeah, it, it was definitely a process, and a lot, a lot of heavenly things are involved in this. Yeah. Yeah. I think that when I first heard it, I was just like, "What?" Like, I had to take my brain and just, I wasn't skeptical because I've, I mean, we've had, you know, M, we've had M. Turbo on the show, we've had Blake Key, we've had people that have had crazy experiences. So it wasn't crazy to me, but I just, I really care about what you're saying so much with what you're answering there. It's just like, because people don't get it, they miss out on the beauty of it, of like, "Your heart is, let's see people free. Let's see people healed." It's like, "Dude, I don't see you on Instagram shorts exposing everything you're doing on deliverance. I see it just like, 'Hey, here's the story. How it is.' You, you talk like maybe 5%. You're like, 'Here, you guys talk. You share your story about how you were a mermaid, an entity breathed His breath into you so you can breathe underwater.' What?" Like, "This is that's well." And that's a big part of what Bride Ministries and like my heart. I have a heart to give survivors a voice. Right. The enemy took it away. Jesus is giving it back. And so we've opened up our platform to be part of what He's doing. We're giving survivors their voice back because the world needs to hear what's really happening in the false reality overlay. It needs to collapse. And I'll tell you, part of the Great Awakening that is coming, there is a, there is another Great Awakening coming. It's going to be predicated on the testimony of the survivors that are going to begin to speak. And, and, and their voice, I mean, they're already speaking, but the voice is going to be heard at a level that's going to shift the corporate belief system of the nation. It's already happening. And it's already happening. Yeah. You can see the, the start of that happening right now. I mean, look, you guys have me on this podcast. Yeah. We just went straight to the top. You just went straight. You take back over. Otherwise, I'm going to be just like trying to convince people this is legit all day. I'm just going to let you keep going deeper. You go for. Um, are, are you're still a seer? You're seeing now? Am I seeing right now? Yeah. No, no. I'm, I'm iterating and trying to think through my presentation. Okay. So I don't just go off the rail. You're not going off the rails. I promise. I would re, I would reel it back in. Can you, um, can you maybe extrapolate for a second? And I'm going to frame you differently for this question. So do you trust me? Absolutely. All right. I'm going to frame you different because I want to hear your opinions mixed with what you know to be true. Um, and I just want to warn people real fast before we do this. It's your responsibility if you're watching this to not take what he's saying as the gospel unless he quotes the gospel. Because sometimes people get a little bit weird, like, "What do you think happened?" And it's like, "It doesn't matter." I don't want to develop. I don't want people to get like hungry and chasing just for the supernatural or the mystic. Like, I want people to tie everything back to Jesus. But what, based on what you know, like, what happened, man? Like, Adam, oh, here we go. Eve. Wow. Perfect life. What the heck happened? Where was Jesus? What was He doing? Like, take us through that. I'm going to walk through this. Okay. For a little while, I'm going to give you permission to interrupt me. Okay? Um, you didn't ask me about what I didn't finish the post on the finances. That's okay. Don't worry about it. Okay? Um, and you, yes. So this is, this is how I look at it, right? Number one, I believe that this Earth is old. I do. I, I used to be a young earth guy. I'm not. How old are you thinking? Pretty darn old. Like, 2 million? Billion? I don't have that number. Older than 6,000 years is what you think? Older than 6,000 years. The reason why is because Genesis 1:1 says, "In the beginning, God created, *bara*, the heavens and the Earth." And then it says, "the Earth was." And, and you got guys, just did a podcast on this with Gary Wayne, so he explained this as well. You know, *ha-ah*, the Earth was. That word can mean became over time, over time. Tohu and bohu, without form and void. But you go to Isaiah 45:18. It says, "The Earth was not created tohu." It wasn't created like that. And we find that there are pre-existing structures around the Earth. You have water, I mean, it's there. The Earth is, is there. The Spirit of the Lord hovered over the waters. Darkness was on the face of the deep. And then you begin to see this creation happening. And there's this big shift that happens in Genesis chapter 1, where you move from *bara*, as a word denoting creation, to the word *asah*, which is often translated "made." And in Genesis 1:1 and Genesis chapter 1 holistically, there's only one point where the word *bara* is used, and that is in the first verse. God made the heavens and the Earth. Created. After that, everything that's made, which, which would include, um, the, the fruit that comes out of the trees on, uh, uh, day three, once dry ground appears, um, on, on day two as well, when, uh, uh, uh, God is separating the waters from the waters and He makes the firmament, um, and then in day four, when He makes the sun and moon and stars, that word is not "create" as in *bara*, it's the word "made" as in *asah*, which also means to appoint, to ordain, to set in order. Which, when you look at the thrust of scripture, I believe it, what you really have happening is you have an Earth and Heavens that's created old. You have a cataclysm that puts Earth in a tohu and bohu state. And then you have a renewal that is being processed by the Spirit of the Lord over a six-day period. And in that renewal, everything is being appointed, it's being ordained, it's being set in order, including the purpose of the sun, moon, and stars, including the firmament or the *raqia*, which is requiring that God separate the waters above from the waters below, because everything is in total disarray. It's in tohu and bohu. It's in a state that it was not created. A war zone is just destruction. And so what, what, what you have then is, is, is you have God moving things forward. So from some kind of cataclysm, and then ultimately creating mankind, which leads to Adam. It leads to Eve. Now, I say, and I've been saying this for a while, Adam and Eve are not the beginning of the story. I believe they're the middle of the story. And what I'm going to say next is probably going to expand on the understanding that many people have had, because no one's that I've listened to has really considered what I'm going to share here. And, and you can edit this out as much as you need to, okay? I promise. But we're going to go back now to, um, when I encountered my own human spirit, because I have to explain this to say what I'm going to say. So when I started working with survivors, one of the things that I noticed was there were parts that would come forward as alternate personalities. There was also certain parts, we could call them, that would come forward and say, "I'm someone so's spirit." So I have Bill say, "I am Bill's spirit." And I would ask Bill, "What does your spirit look like to you?" If you look inside of yourself, Bill would say something like, "Well, he's like 11 or 12 feet tall, a little shiny, definitely makes the other parts look pretty small standing next to him, totally different." I'm like, "That's interesting." I decided that I was going to do my own experiment. This is back in 2015. Changed everything about my life. Now, remember, 1 Thessalonians 5:23 says, "May the God of all peace sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." There is a system of thought in Christianity called dichotomy, that says that soul and spirit are interchangeable terms in the from Old Testament to New Testament. If you see soul, it's spirit. If you see spirit, it's soul. They are just, you know, whatever. Loosey-goosey. I say, not, not so. They are very different, and they have different words that are consistently translated soul and spirit from Hebrew to Greek. Um, in Greek, it's, it's *pneuma* for spirit.

And it's sui for soul, every time that never gets flipped. It's always that. And cardia for heart. In Hebrew, it's *neesh* for soul. It is *nesa* or *ruak* for spirit. And it is *Leb* for heart. That is consistent from beginning to end.

And so when I said, "Daniel, spirit, I bless you in the name of Jesus, and I honor you in the name of Jesus, and I invite you to be present." This is what happened to me. I felt a very large being suddenly standing on top of me. It was like probably its head would have been through the roof of my apartment. And I was extremely intimidated immediately. It was like, "What just happened?" And I sat there for a minute, and I heard it start to speak. And I was thinking, "Oh my gosh, it's probably going to be talking down to me because its head is way up there." There not so everything it said was coming up at me from my heart. And I was like, "This is the weirdest experience."

And this is what it was saying. It was making a whole series of decrees. And the decrees were statements. "This is who I am." And everything that it was saying happened to be everything that I had been journaling, that Jesus had been telling me about what I was here to do, what I was being prepared for, who I was in His kingdom. It was identity stuff. And I was really on the edge about all of these journals. I was like, "I would never show a pastor. I will never show a prophet. I'm not talking about this stuff. I must be losing my mind." Because I, I'm just in pride or arrogance. Like, and so I just, I would write stuff down during my prayer times. And I, you know, sit there for two, three hours, whatever, just soaking in the glory, journaling what I heard the Spirit of the Lord saying, and wrestling with it, really wrestling with it in this season.

And the Spirit came forward and it was saying, "This is me. This is me. This is me." To the point that as a soul, I hit a revelation in that moment. And I realized that my spirit was much more in touch with my heavenly identity than my soul. And my soul and my spirit were actually not on the same page. And the thing that was standing on top of me, that was much bigger than my physical body, that was my spirit. And from that point forward, my whole journey with God changed completely.

What I could tell you, a lot of people go through valleys and mountains in their Christian walk. Also, uh, like times of plenty, and then there's like desert. Where this is a desert season in my Christianity. I will tell you this with, and this, this is not a lie. Since I met my spirit and I've been journeying, I have never had a desert season in over a decade. And the spirit drastically changed everything about my encounter in Christianity. Because what I realized was the spirit was the part of my design that actually lives on the other side of the veil.

And so I would, would describe it to people early on as kind of like, um, you know, a water bottle. Where I say, you know, you have the water in the bottle. If, if you hold it up like this, you know, you have the water sitting at the bottom, right? And let's say the bottom is the soul, and the top is the spirit. So the water sitting in the soul, that's where your conscious perspective is. But if you flip the bottle, the water, which is what you are consciously aware of, will flip to the other side of that bottle. Now it's sitting in the spirit. And so you can begin to perceive reality not through the lens of your soul, but through the lens of your human spirit. And it's a different perception.

In fact, I'll prove it to you. Because in Revelation 1, in verse 9, 10, and 11, you have John explaining his encounter with Jesus, the resurrected Messiah. And what does he say? "Well, I, John, your brother in in tribulation, was on the isle of Patmos, and I was in the spirit on the Lord's day." What happened immediately after he shifted his conscious awareness of his environment to the spirit? Answer: immediate encounter with the resurrected Christ. He heard the sound. He, he saw the resurrected Christ. And the entire Book of Revelation experience begins there.

What I tell everybody that I've ever trained is, once you meet your spirit and you begin to engage your spirit intentionally and step into that perspective of reality, your prayer journal will begin to look like the Book of Revelation, without fail. This is true. Every person I've trained, when they begin to engage with their human spirit. And what I, what I'm talking about, I'm talking about alignment. As Christians in this country, we haven't been told this. We haven't understood. We are a three-part being. And that, I'll define Kingdom living. Kingdom living is living on both sides of the veil simultaneously. I promise you, Jesus was not walking this world looking at the physical only and saying, "I'm going to multiply these loaves and fishes." He's looking at the spiritual reality and the physical reality. To, to him, they are one reality. And because he's, he's on both sides of the veil. But every one of us can learn to live like that. And it's a process, right?

What on that Colossians 3:2? This is what he's talking about. Learn to essentially like focus on and feast on the heavenly realm and ignore the distractions of the earthly realm. That's literally what he's saying. Wow. Tune in to that and ignore this. So all through the New Testament, right? It, it, it, the more practical you get, the more real the, the, the apostles' language begins to become. Now, I'm giving a framework because you asked about this whole thing going back to Adam. And what I'm giving you guys now is the prerequisite to understand what I'm going to say next. Okay?

So I began to learn that my spirit is the part of me that lives on the other side of the veil. And it has all kinds of abilities, abilities that my soul lacks. I, I'll give you one example. I, I was, was in a session with a person, right? And, uh, uh, we, and, and they saw all of this in the spirit. There was a series of, of, of opposition that was coming against them. At one point, they see this massive fire demon. And Jesus says that angels are working with us as we're working through their inner world and outer world and all the things that are coming against them to clear and to deprogram and to heal and deliver. Well, um, there was a certain point where this massive fire demon, they saw it coming in. And I prayed about it. But they, in the spirit world, are seeing not an angel, my human spirit. So now my human spirit actually came into their view, fully armored. He's running across, tackles the fire demon, and just starts punching it in the face. And I'm sitting as a soul, I'm like, "Yeah, that's right. I'm doing that." But I'm not doing that. My spirit is doing that. Okay. Whatever. We move on with Jesus and the angels.

Fifteen minutes later, they said, "Daniel, you won't believe this." I said, "What?" They said, "I still see your spirit punching this guy in the face. He's not even conscious." I'm like, "Yeah, that's right. That's right. Exactly." Because now, now the, my human spirit is a warrior. And there's a lot of warriors that are listening to me say this right now. They were all getting excited because they're like, "Yeah, get them!" You know? And, and I want to do that. And like, you will, you know? But, but that's so that reality is independent of my soul's experience.

So then I began to explain, "Oh, okay. What, what everybody needs to understand is that when you begin to understand human alignment, you have a house. You have the head of the house, which really should be the spirit, because the spirit has a scroll and also a much longer journey through history than the than the soul as we experience it. You have the soul, and you then you have the physical body. It's kind of like the spirit is the husband, the soul is the wife, and the physical body is the child." So, so what happens is you have all kinds of mismanagement. Because for our Christian experience, you basically have the soul running the house, which is like a, a woman running the house without recognizing that her husband can be her covering and head and all the benefits that can come along with that, 'cause they didn't know they had one, you know? It's like we, we have a bunch of single moms running around. God bless all of our single mothers. But God ordained for children to grow up in a two-parent household where you have both parents' strengths bringing about God's will for the family. And the reality is headship is a big deal.

And when we begin to talk about the relationship between the soul and the spirit, you have the same thing. Where once the spirit becomes the, the driving force behind a person's life, they enter a slipstream of Kingdom entanglement and direction that is profoundly phenomenal. Because everything in their life is being driven by a part of them that's actually sitting on the other side of the veil, 100%. And so this is spirit-led. This is actually spirit-led because the Holy Spirit lives inside of the spirit of man. He is, First Corinthians 6:17, "He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with him." But second, uh, uh, uh, 2 Corinthians 7:1 says, "Let us cleanse ourselves of all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of the Lord." Some people think, "Oh, the Holy Spirit just becomes the human spirit." It doesn't. Because then you'd have to cleanse the Holy Spirit of defilement, according to 2 Corinthians 7:1. You don't. Holy Spirit is untainted. The human spirit isn't. The human spirit, according to Psalm 51:17, can be broken, among other things. It can be slimed. All kinds of things can happen to it.

So what I'm saying now is, we have a spirit, we have a soul, we have a body. But the spirit of man is ancient. And one of the things that I started to learn early on, if I ever asked a human spirit, now, now I mean, and we could actually demonstrate this here, one, like I could pull up your spirit and we could just talk to the spirit itself. I'm not, I'm not going to do that. I'm, we don't have time. I'm not going to do that. But, um, you know, every time I've ever asked the spirit, I said, "Where were you when God was laying the foundation of the Earth?" The question that God posed Job in Job 38. I always get the same answer, something along the lines of, "I was with him. I was watching. I was involved."

And so what happens is you actually get a much more expanded view. Because I will tell you, there are memories that sit with the soul, and there are memories that sit with the spirit. And I was pulled into an encounter last year where this really opened up big. And I'm going to tell you what happened. Um, I was in a dream. And in the dream, I saw a friend of mine, and he's awesome, awesome man of God in Australia. And he was preaching. And I saw that he had, uh, an emblem, he had a crest, and he had a signet ring in the spirit. And I went up to him in a dream because I was like, "I need to prophesy to him that I see that he has these things in the spirit." And I said, "You have a signet ring, an emblem, and a crest." And these are from the age before. Immediately, as I, I was there, a portal opened in the dream, and I was sucked in violently. It was like, and it was a giant scroll. And while I was in this giant scroll, I was looking at it. And the most frustrating part about it was that someone translated it to English. So I knew what it was talking about, but I couldn't read fast enough. So I was trying to speed read as this all this is going on. It's flying. Whoa. I was reading about the pre-Adamic age. I was reading about wars and conflict and rebellion and betrayal and acts of heroism and all kinds of exploits. But I didn't have enough time to actually consolidate what I was allowed to see, 'cause it was flying so fast. And then I landed in another realm. And in this realm, it was just me and Holy Spirit. And it was extraordinary. And Holy Spirit was just talking to me. And when Holy Spirit, Holy Spirit is the, it's like when you talk to Holy Spirit, it's like the most comforting, serene, peaceful, it's amazing. And, and like you just don't want it to end. It's like, "Oh my gosh." And, and Holy Spirit was, was just talking with me. I don't even remember what the conversation was. But we were there for a little while. And then gone. I was back in the dream moments before everything happened. I'm looking at my friend preaching in the dream. I'm having the same thoughts. I'm going to go over to him and I'm going to say what I see. So I walk up to him and I begin to say, "Hey, listen, you have a signet ring, you have an emblem, and a crest." And he looks at me, says, "And these are from the age before." Because in the dream, he recognized that we had already done this. He just didn't understand. And I looked at him and I said, "I've told you this before." "And they shall be like stars forevermore." And I woke up.

That's when I began to realize that it wasn't just random stuff happening in a pre-Adamic age. I was there. We were there. But not as souls, not as bodies, not as humans, but as spirit beings that Jesus Christ had created. And there is a long history of the heavens that we were part of. And that was really when I began to get memories, not from my soul, but from my spirit, of pre-Adamic circumstances that I was involved in personally. And when we began to minister to others, and this is the real shocker, and we began to find that others had pre-Adamic memories that revealed conflict. That revealed conflict. And the wildest thing about that conflict was that whatever the conflict was that human spirits experienced in the pre-Adamic age got cycled onto their life experience here. So if they were abandoned in a pre-Adamic age, they're getting abandoned here. If they were, uh, uh, imprisoned in a pre-Adamic age during some kind of conflict or battle, they went through some kind of thing here, locked them up either in the spirit or in the natural. But there's these coordinated things.

And what I'm going to tell you is this led to a conversation that how I began to understand the entanglement of ages. And I can explain it to you. So when you look at Revelation 12, the most amazing thing happens. It makes no sense. In Revelation 12, you have what they call the Sun, Moon, Star sign. You have the Virgin. She's clothed in the sun, the moon under her feet, a garland of 12 stars. And the dragon shows up and he's ready to devour her child as soon as it's born. So she's pregnant. Now, the interesting thing about that is this is actually constellation stuff. This is Leo. This is Virgo. This is Draco. Constellations. Okay? And some have even noted that if you follow the form of constellations as it's discussed in Revelation 12, and on a time around September 3 BC, when they say Jesus would have been born under that star sign, you also have the dream of Joseph. What did Joseph see? He saw that the sun, the moon, and 11 stars bowed out to him. That's the Sun, Moon, Star sign. But the stars were actually his brothers, people, humans.

So then it goes on and it says, "The dragon took his tail and drew a third of the stars and threw them to the earth." Some people say a third of the angels rebelled. Bible never says that. It actually says stars were thrown to the earth by the tail of the serpent. And that has very deep implications. But moving through that passage, you see that this, this dragon is ready to devour the Manchild as soon as it's born. But he can't. And the Manchild, it, it's going to rule the nations with a rod of iron. And then the woman escapes to the wilderness where she is kept, um, 1,260 days, which is three and a half years, which is really interesting time frame considering other reference points both in the Book of Daniel and Revelation. But we're going to park that.

The next thing you see, Michael and his angels are fighting, and the dragon and his angels fight, but they did not prevail, nor was place found for them in heaven any longer. So Michael and his angels throw the dragon out. He is cast to the earth. And his angels are cast out with him. This is what I believe is actually happening when Earth is changed between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. John 10, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven." Ezekiel 28, this guy that God is talking to in Ezekiel 28, "You were in Eden, the garden of God. Every precious stone was your coming ba ba." You get to the end of that passage, "I made you a heap of ashes on the earth." On the earth. And all the kings are going to look at you like that. So I think that that's actually what happens between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. And so Earth responds. It's like a cataclysmic judgment.

But what happens with this passage, right? Is the next thing that happens after he's cast out of heaven, you see four things. "Now has come salvation and strength and the kingdom of our God and the power of Christ." And if you look at that and you say, "Well, if this was a pre-Adamic war, then why is salvation coming?" Because salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Why is the kingdom of God coming? Because we, we get the kingdom now. The power of His Christ. "I will not glory in my, I will glory in my infirmities because that's when the power of Christ rests upon me." That's what the Apostle Paul says. It's like, "Okay, the power of Christ is resting now." Um, strength. "We can do all things through Christ which strengthens us." Literally, every line item of what happens as a result of that war is fulfilled in New Covenant realities and promises.

So I looked at Revelation 12, and I, for a long time, I was like, "I don't see how this could be the pre-Adamic war that throws Satan out of heaven when this is the result." And then it says, "They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony." So weird, right? But the more I thought about it, the more I'm like, "No, there was." Because that was part of not only my memory, but many people that I began to minister to. It's like they're starting to recover like knowledge that there was a pre-Adamic war centered on the Luciferian conflict, his trade on essence, and all kinds of other things. And so I'm not getting ahead of myself here. I'm looking at this, and for years I struggled with Revelation 12. I'm like, "I am missing something big." And then it finally clicked. I said, "There is more than one age in view."

Let me explain ages and cycles. So one of the things that happens when you start the passage, it says, "I see a virgin." Well, you know who the first virgin is in scripture? Rebecca. Rebecca. Rebecca is the first virgin. It doesn't say that Sarah was a virgin, but it says Rebecca was a virgin. For whatever reason, who does Rebecca give birth to? Israel. Jacob becomes Israel. So, so Rebecca is the mother of Israel, the first virgin in scripture, which is highly significant because Israel has forever been and will forever be God's nation. Now, in the New Testament, there's some change in definitions because "he who is not a Jew, that is outward of the circumcision of the flesh, but he who is a Jew is one that is inward of the circumcision of the heart, in the spirit." We are being grafted into Christ and His nation and government of Israel through the finished work of Jesus Christ and His blood. Jews and Gentiles both need Jesus just as much. So Israel, however, is the nation of God, and Jerusalem is the capital of heaven.

So Rebecca gives birth to Israel. But then you move forward, and Mary gives birth to Jesus. But when we look at the prophecy of Jesus, and I believe it's found in the book of Hosea, it says, "I have called my son out of Egypt." Um, that is first in some ways a historical reference to how God called Israel out of Egypt physically under Moses. But the way it works out, Jesus fulfills the role and office of Israel as Redeemer by fulfilling that prophecy. Because God sent them to Egypt to wait out Herod's death before Jesus and his family went back. So, so when we look at Jeremiah 31, it says, "I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah. And I will give a new heart in them. And I will give them my spirit." All this stuff, Jeremiah 31, that whole prophecy is actually talking about a new covenant in Christ. Jew and Gentile are reconciled in Christ. And Jesus becomes a representative for both the house of Judah and the house of Israel at the same time. He's becoming a house, a representative of the house of Israel by fulfilling that prophecy.

What am I saying? I'm saying that in this way, Mary also gives birth to Israel, the nation of God, as found in the Messiah, the Manchild. But, but neither of them are the first mother. Because in Galatians chapter 4, it says, "You have come to Jerusalem from above, which is the mother of us all." So what happens is Jerusalem above, that is free, which is the mother of us all, is the capital of heaven in a pre-Adamic age from which all spirits descend, looking to that city as mother. That's literally what it says in Galatians 4. It is the mother of us all. So the first cycle is Heavenly Jerusalem. But when we move into this age, the next cycle is Rebecca giving birth to Israel. The next cycle is Mary giving birth to Israel. And what you have then is that Jesus, as the Manchild, is the embodiment of Israel because we're all now grafted back into Him as the sons of God.

Are you saying that there are three ages, not just a pre-Adamic and a post-Adamic? There's another one before then? Well, what, what I'm saying, I mean, you could say this, you guys. There's a pre-Adamic age. There's before Christ humanity. And after Christ humanity. Got it? Okay. Those are the three. We're looking at cycles. And all of them, and this is the point, all of them are in view at the same time. As we look at Revelation 12, all of them are being referenced at the same time. Which leads to a realization that what Jesus planned to do in His death, burial, and resurrection here on the earth was already planned in the pre-Adamic age, and it's being actualized in this age. But there is a quantum entanglement on the plan of God. There is a quantum entanglement on the realms and the ages. And so instead of looking at time linearly, we begin to look at time as overlapping spirals. It's like a coil. And so when you look at time that way, what you begin to see is the pre-Adamic age is occurring elsewhere in tandem with the present age, not like we would think about it linearly, past, present, future. This means that through Christ and His redemption, He is able to fix things that happened in the pre-Adamic age in present time. And this is exactly what we've been seeing. Because as we have ventured into this realm of ministry, which has changed everything, this has led to some of the biggest, most radical deliverances I've ever seen. We are seeing that from present time, through the finished work of Jesus Christ, pre-Adamic pain and trauma and even mistakes that have involved people's human spirits are being resolved from here to there, changing there, and their whole life is revolutionized here. Everything that we are seeing about a new world order goes back to the pre-Adamic age and what they began to set up back then. There's nothing new under the sun. It's already happened before, and we're walking out another cycle on it. But I believe that we are at the end of ages, and that's what makes our job in this generation so extraordinarily unique. And, um, so yes, I mean, we could talk more about it. But this, this, this, I think, is one of the biggest transitions in thought that's going to take things in a, in a very positive direction for people. Because when they get their head wrapped around this, and I'll, and I'll tell you this, this is, this is my personal testimony with this. It was very interesting. Um, one of my, uh, experiences was that I, um, remembered number one, never trusting Lucifer for whatever reason. I didn't like him. My spirit, and I talked to my spirit about this several times. I like, "Hey, what was the thing? I like, I didn't like the guy." Like, I would, I don't know. But I, not only would I hear that, I could feel it. I mean, really deep. You remember? Yeah. I also had memories of war and, um, battles that I was involved in. And, um, leadership, uh, and I had a whole lot of things. And, and there was a point where I was pulled. And I remember that. And there was a lot of deep emotion on that one. And the interesting thing about spirit emotion, it's deeper than soul emotion. And I don't know how else to explain that. It's deep, raw, and pure. And, um, when you begin to hit spirit memory, you also hit spirit emotion. As what I would call the layers of amnesia come off of the spirit. And every spirit has some amnesia. That's the whole thing. When we come in to this life, amnesia goes on the spirit that you cannot remember everything. Like the sea of forgetfulness. And, yeah, and, and it comes off. And, and God is in a season now where he's actually, he's pulling it off of people. And so I remember that. And I remember, uh, as, as I was, my spirit was there, it came down to like, a, a, a point where it was like, "We are not going to move forward with this battle campaign. We're, we're going to finish this in another age." And, and my spirit was very disturbed by that decision. In fact, I didn't like it. And, not my soul, but my spirit. It was like, "I will obey, but this is why all these people think that you're a bad leader when this guy tells them you are, because this needs to end." And the, but, but it was like, there's been too many losses. There were too many that had rebelled and had been deceived and had been put in unfortunate circumstances. And it's like, "We're not going to finish this here." And his plan was to do a whole other age, and then die, and then with his body fix everything forwards and backwards. And that's why it says in Colossians 1, you know, um, "having, uh, uh, uh, um, reconciled all things, whether in heaven or on earth, through the blood of His cross." The blood of the cross is not just, it doesn't park at Earth. The plan for man was always the, the cosmic redemption for a problem that began long before Adam screwed up. And Jesus was always the lamb slain from the foundation. And, um, despite, I didn't understand that. And at that time, I know the spirit was like, "I don't agree." And this is an interesting thing that that goes along with that. All my Christian journey, like as a soul, I was like, "Oh, I love Jesus. I praise Jesus." All that. But when I stepped into the spirit encounter, and I would observe my, my human spirit around Jesus, I didn't see total adoration. I actually didn't. I, I saw obedience and I saw deference. But there was something. And I could never acknowledge that. I, I would see it. I'd be like, "I'm not telling anyone. I don't, that doesn't make sense to me." You know? How, yeah, it just, I cannot explain what I'm looking at. And then finally, in an encounter, after this whole realm began to open up, it was like my spirit and Jesus had a coming together on everything that happened. And I didn't have the knowledge that I was pulled or that any of this stuff had happened or whatever. But it was like, "No, that." And, and it was like, in that conversation, which was happened in my prayer closet, it was like Jesus was explaining more fully why he made the decisions that he made. And I was overwhelmed at that point with humility. Because I was like, "I, at that time and in that age, as a spirit being, did not see the value in all of the spirits that you died to recover." And now a large portion of my ministry is to those very spirits that were deceived in human bodies. It's, because I minister to so many survivors that have been born into these bloodlines. And part of the part of the history behind how people end up getting born into some of these bloodlines that are very evil and very wicked and very, it's, it actually has to do with the pre-Adamic resume, for lack of better terms. This is wild. Yet Jesus is redeeming them back in this age and using them for the most extraordinary things. And I'm like, "All of these people that I love and care about now, that I'm fighting for now, and that, uh, uh, I'm seeing you do all these extraordinary things for now, those are the same people that as a spirit being in a pre-Adamic age, I said, 'Let them go. They made their choice. You know, done. Let's just finish this.'" And to Him, they were worth it. And I was overwhelmed at that time. And I said, "I understand all of this, but to You, they were worth it." Wow.

Well, we're going to end there. You get one more question after that. Thank you for sharing that. Can you come in December to an event we're doing? Yes. Just put you on the spot. But dude, yikes, man. That old story at the end is like, wow. I don't know if you've shared that before. Just once. Is there a book coming? You're working on one right now? I can't end us there. I got to bring us back up at least to like, you know, two or three feet. You go for it. You writing a book right now? Or I, I, you know, I have about four pages sitting in a Word document. I haven't gotten back to it. That's a start. I, you know, I have finished eight books. But I've been in a different season right now where I can't even talk about it yet. But there's some big things. I have a good question. Yeah. Um, we have two minutes and there's a hard cutoff. Has, has anybody in your ministry ever had to get, uh, delivered of the Starbucks siren? Jake Brian. Jake Brian. Interestingly, no. I, I haven't done that one. Man, thank you. Thank you for coming out here. I know it was a hassle. We had to get you out this morning. Morning. Long flight from Houston. But thanks for making the time. Did you have fun? I did. I had a great time. Thank you. Rating 1 to 10, how much fun did you have? T's like, bro, I'd rather come to Taylor's house than Disneyland. Oh, that's easy. Over there. So, uh, that's a different conversation. Yeah. I know you guys. This was lovely. I really enjoyed myself. Thank you. Thank you very much. Cool. All right. Thank you guys. Check out his books. Dyv. Uh, you have a podcast on YouTube as well. What's that podcast called? Discovering Truth with Dan Deval. Bride movement.com. That's our ministry site. Dandeval.com. That's the podcast site. You have a whole list of prayers on your website, right? We have a lot. We have a world-class deliverance portal. People can actually just engage to be confused with the spiritual portal. It's like a log and learn. Yes. We got to be careful here. You want round two if we get it scheduled? Yes, absolutely. I would love to do a round two there because we skipped a lot. I never finished that other thought. And I do want to tell people this, uh, uh, bride ministries coaching.com. That, that's the platform where if you've had Satanic ritual abuse in your background, extreme trauma, you, you need some big help. And you need help people that know what they're doing. Uh, we, we do have. Can we make connections for people who email in? Can you give Heather an email to send if they want to talk with or enroll in something or like go through your education? Or just send them to brideministries.com. Bride ministries.com has most of our stuff. So find it eventually. Cool. All right. Love you guys. See you next time.