The ENDGAME Is Unfolding NOW — The SYSTEMS Can’t Hold Much Longer | David Icke

So if you can suppress knowledge, you suppress perception, you put people in a mind prison that can control them from cradle to grave.

The most important decision that humanity is going to make that will determine which reality we choose to experience. That all the way through, no matter what the culture, no matter what the period of the era, the few have always controlled the many. Enough people are perceiving this other realm of reality beyond the nature that we've been taught.

Time is an illusion encoded in this reality. Lay this out in the road map is a um a simulation. It's a simulated reality. So once you've got a situation where you are in a simulated reality, you can manipulate not time but the perception of time and the perception of events and experiences passing either slowly or quickly.

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David Ike, welcome back on Just Tap In. Brother, I wanted to start off asking you, what do you feel that humanity is finally getting right at this time in our history?

Well, when I started out on this uh long journey in 1990, well, consciously I was doing it before. I just didn't realize it was. Um but in 1990, it became a a conscious journey. Um virtually no one um by comparison with now was interested in any way in this information. Um, it was too far out. It was um too um it was too much of a a stretch for people to um think it was happening. And yet now the numbers are phenomenal that are um seeing that at least on some level there's some kind of conspiracy going on uh which is not good for humanity. Um the reason I've written my new book the um the road map is for a very specific reason which relates to the question. Uh I've I've seen people uh awakening to some levels of this conspiracy. Uh but I've also seen uh people have come into the so-called alternative media from the mainstream who have basically hijacked the central uh core of it that gets all the algorithmic support whereas others don't and uh all the funding too uh that comes from that. And there's been um we have a thing we call the Overton window uh in the mainstream of society which is that range of acceptable thought acceptable [snorts] um opinion and when you go outside of that Overton window what's called the normal suddenly um you're mad or bad uh and that Overton window changes is and moves as new information comes to light and becomes accepted as reality. So you know the Overton window in things like health etc has um has changed from the days where we used to put um leeches onto people to suck their blood. Um but there's always been in every society there's been this normal this normal opinion this normal range of acceptable uh thought and view.

Now the alternative um arena also has an Overton window and uh I say it shouldn't have because uh we are um in a reality which is designed specifically I'm sure we'll get into that to stop us knowing to uh keep us in a state of ignorance. um aware enough to behave and serve the system but not awake enough to see that the system is a a means of mass human control. And so um what's happened with this kind of hijack of the alternative arena since co is that um this Overton window has come in and basically held the perception of the conspiracy in the range and the realm of politics and finance and the world of the scene. shall we say. And so what what I've done with the road map is to um is to present a vastly vastly greater picture in which yes I go into the the the political realm but as a playout of the big big picture which is that a nonhuman force is manipulating human society from another dimension of reality. And if people hear that for the first time, they go, "What?" Um, but the evidence to support that is tremendous. Uh, but this Overton window of the alternative media prevents that being explored. And uh that's why I'm um I'm setting out with this book to uh to dismantle those walls of um limitation and say to people not you must believe what I say but hey there's a completely different way of looking at this world even vastly different to the mainstream of the alternative media and um the scale of the conspiracy is vastly greater than you're being told. And ironically, it's when you um you get into that bigger bigger picture of of of the situation we're in that you come across the answers because at the political level, which is basically where it's held, um there are no answers. What's the answer to voting for Trump or someone of the left? to vote for someone of the right or someone of the left as the alternative to whoever's in government at the time. Uh but the when you kind of uh dig a little deeper and you don't have to go very deep for this, you see that the same force is manipulating through the left and is manipulating through the right. And it, you know, you may see different rhetoric, you may see different excuses, you may see uh people apparently saying different things. But when you look at the outcomes of both a left government and a right government, the direction of travel is the same. It's going in the same direction. With some, it may go in that direction slower or quicker, but it's the same direction. And uh I'm trying to break that um cycle by a um putting forward a completely different way of seeing the world and seeing our ourselves, our selfidentity. And um and also to point out that if you're trying to control billions of people and you are a few, there are a few things that need to be in place. One is that you have to keep from the people uh the target population the nature of how they're being manipulated. You can let them have a a a myopic view of that if some people awaken to the fact that there's a political conspiracy or whatever, but you mustn't let them see the big big picture cuz that would be um catastrophic for you. uh and you must have in place two other things for the few to control the many. And when you look through what we call history, you see that all the way through, no matter what the culture, no matter what the period of the era, the few have always controlled the many bar a few random uh different um ways of doing things, but overwhelmingly the few have always controlled the many. So therefore the the structures and the methodology necessary to do that have been in place all the way through to to present day. And so when uh people ask for solutions, I say I'm not interested in solutions because solutions always lead to more problems in search of more solutions. I say what I'm looking for if you have a a problem, a situation you want to change is what is the cause? Because if you remove the cause, the problem must disappear.

And so there are two um foundation ways in which the few control the many. And one is you have to get the many to become enslaved enslave themselves with rigid unquestioning belief systems. These can be religious belief systems largely are. They can be political belief systems. I am of the left, I'm of the right or whatever. Um, cultural belief systems, anything that is unquestioning and rigid. Uh I I've said many many times that this global cult as I call it, this network of secret societies that's behind the direction of the world, uh it doesn't care what you believe so long as you believe it rigidly and without question because then it's got you. Because what happens when you have a belief system, take a religious belief system, but you know they all work the same, is that you you have a limit. You you build walls. Walls to infinity. Walls disconnecting you from infinity. the infinity of possibility, of potential, of insight, of knowledge because you're not moving beyond your belief system. Because if you do, your belief system just falls apart. And people have this desire. I don't understand it. Well, I do understand it, but I I've never felt it myself. The desire to be part of a group. I I I have no desire to be part of a group. I I'm quite happy to be um an expression of consciousness and let everyone express their consciousness as they see uniquely fit. Um, but cuz when you become part of a group a lot of things change like the walls go up cuz if you go beyond the walls of the belief system you're no longer one of us you're no longer a Christian. You're no longer um a a Muslim. You're no longer a Hindu etc etc. So you you you you um create these um limitations of possibility called belief systems and then you've got the perfect um situation to play off the different belief systems against each other to divide and rule the population. So your target population is now fighting um among itself with itself and therefore not seeing that all the different factions and um beliefs are being manipulated by the same uh force.

And uh the thing is of course that another prerequisite to the few controlling the many is that somehow the few have to manipulate the many to give their power away to them. And how do they do that? Well, this is what we call authority. Um, and this is what we call politics. This is what we called for centuries and thousands of years monarchy. So you have a a situation in with the monarchy and we still have a monarchy in Britain staggeringly. Um, but we you have a monarchy and uh through the the centuries and the thousands of years which through genetic inheritance um was the the leader of the population. Um and you didn't have to be intelligent. Vast numbers of them weren't. you just had to be of a genetic uh line and that allowed you to be the monarch. In other words, calling the shots of a of a of a vast population. when um humanity reached a point of um maturity where it wasn't having that anymore though we still have it in some parts of the world. um they replaced the monarchy with politics and political parties and this was just uh and people then thought okay that's good because we now can select our government but you see if you're given the choice of selecting party A or party B or party C even but the same force is controlling all of them at at their inner core controlling uh center, then it's not a choice. You're you're choosing between different masks on the same face and ultimately you're going to go in the same direction, slower slower sometimes, faster other times, whichever um you you think you're selecting. Um and and what um that is doing is replacing the monarchy where you give your power away to the monarchy um without uh without having any selection process to um apparently selecting the government but actually you're not in truth. So the political period since the demise of the monarchies has been one of another reason and way and means of giving your power away. So uh we have this thing called an election which is an absolute farce anywhere because there's no contract between a political party or a political leader and the population that they're asking to vote for them in an election campaign. And we've seen this massively in the UK with a guy called Kia Starmer and massively in the uh United States through Donald Trump whereby um the party or leader tells you what they're going to do and tells you what they're not going to do in the election campaign. You think, "Okay, well, yeah, I I I'll go with that." So, you vote for them and they get in, but there's no contract. So, when they get in, as we've seen in the UK with Star and in America with Trump, they do what they said they wouldn't do, and they don't do what they say they would do. Uh and so what that means is you have now given your power away over your life to someone else, the few representing the cult for another four or five years. And if you stay at that level only of politics is is the answer, it's the problem, but it's also the answer. Well, it's not. Then in another four or five years, you get the opportunity to go through the fast again. And this time, you might vote for the other party, but then the other party does the same and gets into power. It doesn't do what it said it would do, and it does do what it said it wouldn't do. And the direction of travel is basically the same. And so you four or five years hence have only one real way of getting rid of the the party B and that's to go back to vote for the party A. And round and round and round and round it goes. And these are all means of giving your power away. And yet we're supposed to have 8 billion people in the world. Um and the number of people in full knowledge who are uh directing the direction of the world is tiny [snorts] tiny by comparison. And thus the only way that few are going to control the many even with politics is for the many to um acquiesce to the dictates of government and um and politicians. So if uh a politician, a leader, a president, a prime minister says we've decided to do this and enough people say we're not doing it. They have no power. The power of politicians, thus the cult behind the politicians is in persuading uh the population to give their power to the few in the form of acquiescence. Acquiescence to um what the few decide is going to happen. If you look at America now, you've got this guy uh Trump who is so deeply corrupt, it's unbelievable. I mean, oh dear. I mean, just shockingly corrupt. and um he's running America, one man America that's starting to unravel now, thank goodness, through executive orders, which as um an aid to Bill Clinton once said, executive orders are swish of the pen, law of the land. So um this one man is saying this is going to happen and I'm signing an executive order. Congress has given up its right to police that the Supreme Court, which has a Trump majority, is um going in his favor again and again. And so you basically have a a a an America that claims to be uh a democracy or a republic and claims to be a land of freedom that is currently controlled by one bloke. But then you ask the question, yeah, officially that's true, but who's dictating to him? And this process of giving your power away to the few through acquiescence to the few has gone on throughout known human history. And that's how we got in this uh situation. And um we um we are not going to get out of it by continuing to do the same.

I love that you brought up these unquestionable rigid belief systems that maybe have been instilled in the operating system of humanity for centuries. I wanted to ask you, what is that one belief system that you have that is the most empowering that anyone else can can also start to embody that liberated you from a lot of these programs uh that were instilled?

Well, it's not a belief system. Um, what I have is a way I see things at any point. But I also know as the ancient Greek philosopher apparently said, Socrates, wisdom is knowing how little we know. Um, to know is to know you know nothing. And when you look at the situation that we're in and for instance the tiny band of frequency that we can see it's tiny. You you need a bit of humility in the sense that you realize that whatever you know or think you know at any point there's always more to know. Um, and so I have a way of seeing things and I add to that with more information, but I'm willing to be fluid and move um as the information and the evidence um dictates I should move. uh and that is a different way of operating than a belief system which is without question and um and uh rigid. So, uh you've got to know that there's always more to know. And what that does, and this is why um I've gone into some really far out areas, shall we say, um in the last 36 years now, um because when you you um if you reach a point and you think, "Ah, got it now." Well, you're just confirming you haven't. What you've done is you've got a bit more. But what don't you know? And this principle and process is constantly driving you deeper in the rabbit hole because you're constantly asking what don't I know? And that takes you into some really amazing uh places. Um which I set out in the road map. Uh, and it's um it it's a very different way of looking at um at the world. What the global cult manipulation wants is for you not to go there. And and if you do, of course, you've got to be aware that you're going to get ridicule and you're going to get abuse. Uh and this fear of ridicule, fear of abuse, fear of not being part of a group anymore. Um that's a massive disincentive for many people to go beyond the limits you've confined yourself to. So um when you start start talking about um things that are happening and how the world works outside of that overton window normal. uh you are going to attract ridicule and condemnation because people who are completely attached to that normal are going to think you're strange and um even insane. And this is a a very very important point in terms of bringing down the walls of perceptual limitation. And that is to to realize that um what we're being told to believe is normal is actually only what um is being given to us to keep us in perceptual servitude and ignorance. Uh and so what you um what you are looking at was described uh in in a quote is it guy called Shopenhau a quote who basically said words to the effect of people mistake the limits of their own mind with the limits of possibility. And this um perceptual oppression is founded on keeping people from cradle to grave in a limitation of sense of the possible. If they can squeeze your sense of the possible, they got you. Uh so when people like me say this is happening and this is how they're doing it because it's outside of the normal, it's dismissed by people who think the normal is the only possibility. Uh and so when you when you go there then you you've got to expect certainly initially uh and I've experienced this over you know 36 years now nearly now um the fact you're going to get ridicule and and abuse but either you want to know the truth or you don't and if you do then okay that's that's just what happens. s when you um you break down the the walls of uh the perceived normal. Uh and and what uh um what the road map is about is putting forward evidence for the fact that beyond the perception of normal is a vast infinity of knowledge of understanding that um puts this world this reality in a completely different light to the one that we um we believe we're experiencing. And so um if I had to put it down to one revelation, if you like, it's that we are not human. We are having a brief experience through a vehicle called a body, what I call a biological computer that allows us to experience this smear of reality. Um, it's not who we are. We are the consciousness having the experience and ultimately we are uh a [snorts] formless state of awareness. We are consciousness. That's our true eye. and the different energetic bodies, vehicles that we take on in the different um frequency bands of reality are merely to allow that consciousness, that awareness to interact with that reality. So, um, I couldn't pick that up with my consciousness because my consciousness, your consciousness, everyone's consciousness is vibrating so fast compared with the the dense frequency of the glass that I couldn't pick it up. I couldn't interact with this reality. But because I have a um a a bodily form of biological computer that is resonating within the same frequency band as the one I'm experiencing, I can interact with it. I can pick the glass up, but it's not who I am. It's just a brief experience I'm having. um you know we give it names like you know my experience is called David Ike but it's not who I am it's what I'm briefly experiencing what I am is a state of awareness and that um self-identity transformation from I am my body my name my job my life glory etc. my race, my religion um to I am a state of infinite awareness that can open itself to the vastness of awareness. Um and therefore when you do that when your self-identity becomes I'm not my name and all those labels I am awareness having a brief experience that expansion of selfidentity takes you and expands your awareness into realms of knowledge insight knowing that is beyond the limitation. ations of this human reality and suddenly you see the world you saw in a certain way before. You see it in a completely different light. And um that's the um that's the awareness that we call awakening.

One thing you've said about the few is that they have highly advanced knowledge about the nature of reality. And in the road map, you're exploring things like time, things like speed of light, things like parallel dimensions. And I really wanted to get in there because >> sure, >> right now there's knowledge about reality is getting so democratized. Like we can we can go in and and find podcasts like these. We can read all these books. It's not centralized in one library like it was in the times of Alexandria. What have you come to the conclusion about the nature of reality as it relates to time, speed of light, all these other things that I mentioned, dimensions, um that we're catching up to from this highly advanced knowledge that uh some others have had to maybe uh control some of the perceptual limitations on us.

>> Right. Well, let's first um point out why this knowledge is not accessed yet by the vast majority. It's because there are two um there are two worlds within one world. There's the world of this global cult. Now, this is a global network of secret societies. It has an interlocking uh leadership uh and uh an an inner circle core that connects into all these major secret societies and many who aren't major. And um through that system of levels or what people call degrees of knowledge. you can do two things. One, you can pass over advanced knowledge um in isolation from the population through the levels of the secret societies. And you can also through the degrees of knowledge they're broken up into, you can um decide who has that knowledge even within the cult structure and who doesn't. So, you know, when I'm talking about advanced knowledge being passed over through the through the cult, I'm not talking about, you know, a guy in a local Freemason's lodge. Um, I mean, the Freemason uh network is um is overwhelmingly Freemasons are overwhelmingly in the bottom three levels of degree, the so-called blue degrees. They're they're they're not aware beyond that because each level within the secret society decides who in levels below can can enter that level. Uh and and so it's fiercely compartmentalized so that even the great majority of people within the the cult network don't know the big picture. because the more people that know it, the more likely it is to get um infused into the general population. They don't want that. So we're talking about the inner core levels of this global cult where um the information um is the advanced information is passed over of one the agenda for the world and where it's being taken and why and two the nature of reality itself and actually there's a third which is what is actually running the show ultim ultimately and it's not even in this dimension of reality we call human. The other world um is based on suppression of that knowledge and keeping the target population in ignorance of it. So if you look and and you do the research, you find that it it was um major players in this cult. Um still not the core of the core, but but major players that you can see operating in the public arena and and if you operate in the public arena, you're still a gopher. You're not the inner core of the inner core. But you can look um at how uh they have created the sources and means of communicating information to the to the population. They created the so-called education system which is not about education. It's about programming. It's about programming a perception of reality um within the target population. If you um were looking for a structure through which you could take young people, children and turn out the adults that see the world you the way you want them to see it. Then you would have the current education system uh which is like I say a programming system. You leave the womb and immediately your perceptions are influenced by your parents and your parents have been through the same system you're about to go through. So um those in uh first initial years um your parents not through malevolence can be but overwhelmingly not um are passing on their programming to you not because they want to harm you but because they have been convinced that's the way things should be. You then go to uh school and now teachers representing the state with the state curriculum are um telling you what to believe about everything. They're telling you when you have to be there, when you can um leave, when you can eat, when you can go to the toilet, when you can talk. And this goes on throughout your formative years. You go on to college and university and uh the same thing happens. You're being told what to believe. You're not being taught how to think. You're being taught what to think. And then you go off into your um your job, profession, whatever at the end of this and you're meeting all those people that have been through the same system you have but earlier and have taken on again all but the the relative few. the version of reality and perception that's been programmed into them. And this is how these normals are um are formed. And anyone that steps out of that normal is a kind of or asks questions that the teacher actually can't answer except by repeating the official story. um you you become known as a disruptive influence in the classroom and um a problem child or whatever when all you're doing is saying, "Show me that what you're telling me is true." And then you you look at the media. Now, we're now at a point where those um that control the the major media corporations are tiny. you know, one of my books I um I look at the ownership of um a company called at the time Time Warner and it's extraordinary. I just list the broadcast, TV, um, Hollywood, radio, newspaper, magazines that this corporation owns. And it goes on for pages. Um, so you're looking at this cult again creating and owning the media. And so the media takes its uh the way that it reports the world from the perception of the normal which the cult wants us to believe in the same normal that is uh indoctrinated through the education system. So from all angles, at all levels, people are being told the same sense of normal. And so we shouldn't be surprised that um people believe it and and develop these rigid belief systems of what's normal and what's not. So um the difference between the world of the cult and the world of the population is simply knowledge. you know, if I if I said to people um that there was a and they knew nothing about computers or Wi-Fi and I said to them, you know, there's a a field of radiation with encoded information which you can tap into anywhere in the world where it's generated And it's a whole reality, a whole sense of reality just in the the energetic um atmosphere that we call empty space. The reason it appears empty is because it's outside of this ludicrously narrow band of visible light, as science calls it. That is all we can see. If I said that to people who knew nothing about Wi-Fi and computers, they would say I was mad. Why can't I see it? They would say. But because now people know about computers, they know about Wi-Fi. When I say the same thing, they say, "Oh, yeah, I know about that. Yeah, Wi-Fi computers. Yeah, I know about that." Yeah, everyone knows that. And the difference between you're mad and everyone knows that is knowledge. So if you can suppress knowledge, you suppress perception, you put people in a mind prison that can control them from cradle to grave. Um and so it's that um suppression of knowledge that is the goal of the cult while at the inner core advanced knowledge is passed over and through the levels of initiation. And um so this is the foundation throughout human history. This is the reason that humanity still controlled today massively but fundamentally controlled through what we call history by by religion. Because not only were people told that they had to go to church every Sunday or else, they were told that if they didn't believe what the church was telling them to believe, then horrific consequences were on their way. And and what is that belief designed to do? to keep people in a perceptual box, a perceptual prison.

So if we um go on to the question that you asked um about time, what controls people's perception of reality more than time? We're constantly looking [clears throat] at the clock. Well, I don't I I don't have a watch. I won't have a watch. And um I uh I interact with time only well I've got to be here at at a certain quote time so I will be but the rest of it it just passes me by. So I'm not watching the clock all the time. But um most people are and they are controlled by their perception of time and time passing. But as Einstein pointed out, uh time is relative. It's relative to what you're doing. So sometimes uh people say, "Oh dear, time's flown, isn't it?" And I don't know whether you've noticed it, but a lot of people are noticing it and I've noticed it very much so that the perception of time seems to be getting quicker. It's like where did 2025 go? >> Um >> why is that? >> Well, we can get into that. Uh because um time is an illusion encoded in this reality. And this reality I would strongly suggest and I lay this out in the road map is a um a simulation. It's a simulated reality. It's like a a vastly vastly more um advanced version of a a a computer game basically. Um and so time can be manipulated things and and what is time? Time as we perceive it is simply the speed at which we believe events are passing. So it's like you can put a video on and it can play a certain speed or you can put it on fast forward. and the events pass before you but incredibly fast. So once you've got a situation where you are in a simulated reality, you can manipulate not time but the perception of time and the perception of events and experiences passing either slowly or quickly. and and and we interact with time in that way. As Einstein pointed out, um if you're doing something that you you like and you're getting great joy from, then time can pass or appear to pass very quickly. But if you um are doing something you don't like or you're waiting for a bus that doesn't come, time can appear to pass very slowly. But the reason is there is no time. And and you can you can point this out. Um, we think that time is moving from the past through the present to the future. And the present is what we can call the now, this moment. But this moment is all that exists. What we call the past is memory and what we call the future is a projection of the possible future from the now. The past is the memory that's coming from the now. So if you um if you think about it, you could put it this way. Uh, where were you when you experienced the past? You were in the now. Where will you be when what you perceive to be the future becomes the now, the present. You'll be in the now. It there is only the now. But because of the way the simulation is um constructed and manipulated um we mistake the apparent passage of and sequence of experiences and events to be what we call time. But everything is happening in the now because it can only happen in the now. There is only the now. But the manipulation of time uh is a fundamental um manipulation of human perception. So um you know uh I I point out in the books that there is a program running through the body because it's a biological computer and part of that program is aging. Um that which has created the the matrix, the simulation to enslave our perception. um has infused into the biological computer a uh a program which takes the human body through a sequence from birth to whenever our demise comes. Our bodily demise, not the demise of our consciousness. And um so that perception of aging also delivers the perception of time passing. But it's actually a program. you know, when you get deeply into this um and and this is also supported increasingly by many mainstream scientists who have um started to see that the way they saw reality before is simply not um supportable. They um they realize that the um the human body is not a physical entity and the reality that we are experiencing is not a physical phenomenon. you go into quantum physics um below the level of the atom and suddenly you realize that there is no physical. You know, we're told that atoms are the foundation of the physical world. But if you look uh at an atom um you see that it has no physicality. An atom is just a um an energetic phenomenon. So it's the nucleus and there's electrons going around the nucleus a bit like a solar system if you like. Um and everything in between the tiny nucleus and the tiny electrons is to our sense of reality empty space. It's certainly not physical. And if you go deep enough into the nucleus and the electrons, they're not physical either. But they are supposed to be the foundation of the physical world. It's not possible. someone came out with a great line pointing out that if you um if you look at an atom uh and and you look at the nucleus for for one example as a 10-cent piece in America then the atom by comparison has to be the size of a baseball stadium. There is no physical. Um and um what we are experiencing is um a physical world that is actually holographic, illusory physical, and we interact with it. Um and the reason that you can't walk through a a wall, it's not because it's solid. It's because it's an electromagnetic field of a certain frequency and my body is of a different frequency and therefore I can't go through that that there's a electromagnetic resistance. So when you are you see hear all these stories about ghosts and I've experienced it. I've seen it where a a ethereal figure comes through the room and goes through the wall. People say from [snorts] the perception of normal, "Nah, that's mad. That's not possible. You can't go through a wall." Oh, but you can if your frequency is vastly different to the wall. >> Higher. >> That's >> higher than the wall. >> Yeah. Because you see um these bands of frequency that we call reality like the very dense frequency of human reality um are like um radio and television stations in the analog system where all the radio stations are sharing the same space but they're not interfering with each other unless they're very close on the dial because they're on different wavelengths. You know, um if you are if you tune your radio to radio one, then you get radio one. You move the dial to radio 2, you get radio 2. But radio one doesn't cease to broadcast when you move from your dial from it goes on broadcasting. It's just you're not tuned to it anymore. And these uh bodies, these biological computers, they um lock us in, tune us in to the frequency band that we call human. And so when people have near-death experiences where their their body dies or ceases to function and um and then eventually it's revived and and they find themselves back in the body. In the intermediate time they find themselves in a completely different reality with a completely different law of physics that's nothing like this one. And that's because these biological computers are um interacting with this matrix with this uh this simulation. um they are taking the information in the field of information, think Wi-Fi, very, very appropriate, and they're decoding it um into the reality we think we're experiencing. So, um just go to mainstream science about how this uh system works. They just haven't put the dots together. Um the five senses are interacting with this matrix field of information. Um and that's matrix field of information is waveform. You know um frequencies uh carry information and they um um their medium is this electromagnetic field. So we have television because of information broadcast in the form of frequency and electromagnetism to the television which then decodes that information into what we see on the screen. And we have a computer which is um doing exactly the same with Wi-Fi. It's um locking into that Wi-Fi field of information, the internet, and it's putting it on the screen in a completely different form. Um a form um of moving pictures, of graphics, of words, all these different things. And it's all going on inside the computer. It's not happening here or here or there or there. It's happening inside the computer and we're just looking in on it. And the human body biological computer works in the same way. So the five senses are tuning in to these um waveform information fields. um they are turning them into electrical form, communicating it to the brain. And the brain has different um parts which specialize in decoding different senses like the um visual part is the back of the brain here. And then the brain takes that information and forms it into a perceived reality. And that reality appears in the way the brain decodes it to be external to us. It's what it looks like. That's what it we experience it as. But actually it's all in here just as it's all in the computer.

Then why do we all experience the same reality?

>> Well, we don't sense. >> Um we do um in terms of the basic background. So um if we if we looked out of the window here, we might see a car passing and we both see the car passing. But what that's the that's the background field. But what we make of the car, whether we think it's a nice car or horrible car or a nice color or horrible color, um is is our unique spin on that. So our our sense of reality is is very different. I mean, I I've said many times that, you know, if if we could just experience how other people are experiencing this world for 10 minutes, we could look through their eyes and access their perception of what they see, we would be absolutely bloody shocked because um the perception is that everyone sees the same world. They don't they experience the same background um stories if you like but they don't experience it um in the same way. That's down to how uh much consciousness they're uh accessing. So we um we we we we are communicating now and people are hearing what I'm saying now and they're hearing words. But there's not words passing between us. There's a um vibrational information field passing between us that is generated by my vocal cords. The ears pick up that waveform frequency. They turn it into electrical information and they communicate it to the brain which then decodes it into words that we hear. You know there are um methods of pain relief now which involve um stopping the message the signal going from the point of the pain to the brain. Because if they can stop that signal, you don't feel pain, you you have a blow on the on the shin, say, but it's only when the signal of the impact point goes to the brain that you say ouch. If that signal did not was broken, you wouldn't say ouch because you wouldn't feel it. the the the the brain is is is like taking all these this information. It's not consciousness doesn't come from the brain. It's a processor of information. Um, it's why they can't find consciousness in the brain. Uh and and what you're doing is with the brain is it's it's taking all these sources of information and it's um processing them into a sense of reality. Now this is another um very important point. for a very long time. In fact, you know, until very relatively recently, they thought that once the brain was um was formed, that was it. It didn't change. Now they know differently. It's called brain plasticity. And what it means is that the information the brain is processing. In other words, the frequencies of the information that the brain is processing um dictate the nature of the brain. This takes us into another level of manipulation of perception because if you are only hearing certain information and you're isolated from the rest like with a religious belief or a science belief, orthodox science belief, not a religion, then your brain is not going to change. It's going to go on processing information in the same way. Um the neurons are going to fire in a particular network, a particular sequence relating to the frequencies that it's processing. But when you then um get access to other information, here we go. This is why they want to suppress it. um that is of a different frequency, a more expanded frequency shall we say. Um the brain will start to change as a result of that uh information change, frequency change. It will start to process information in a different way. The the neurons will fire in a different sequence. And that's another level of what we call awakening where the the brain can suddenly access this stuff. And so as you um redefine your self-identity from I am um my body, my name, the labels of human to I am infinite awareness having a brief experience as human. You're tapping in to that massively more expanded level of awareness, levels of frequency, higher frequencies. And your brain is then um being subjected to that level of awareness, that level of frequency. And what it does is then rearrange the way it processes information on the basis of that level of information and suddenly you can see things you couldn't see before. Um, and this is what they don't want us to do. There's so many different levels of how ignorance serves the cult and their other dimensional masters in this other dimension they call they call the astral in esoteric circles. Um it's not just that you keep people in ignorance of information alone. um there are other levels of the consequences of that in the way the brain processes information. And so when people say um why why is it that people can't um can't see the bloody obvious? Well, it's not obvious to them because their brain is not processing that level of awareness. So if you have a certain squeezed sense of the possible then your uh brain is processing information on the basis of that perception of the possible and therefore it will keep delivering uh a perception that that is the limit of possible. Uh when you break out of these mind prisons, religions, orthodox science, cultural programs, and what have you, suddenly you're allowing other information in and your brain starts to change in the way that it processes information. Um, they don't want any of this to happen because as we awaken to the the nature of the eye, our power to create our own reality absolutely soarses >> by the perception. That's what we're doing. >> Right, David? This is this is fascinating the the pathway that we went into here because I'm really passionate about the liberation and evolution of humanity. And one thing that

We're bringing up here is that more and more people individually are starting to tap into beyond the 1% of reality that we can perceive. 0.00001% of reality that we can perceive with our five senses. People are tuning into things like telepathy, clairvoyance, multi-dimensional awareness. And I wanted to talk to you about what you perceive is the tipping point when enough people are perceiving this other realm of reality beyond the nature that we've been taught. What will happen to the simulation once enough of us can expand into the infinite eye into that into that presence? Where do you see that going in in the timeline?

Well, first of all, um, one of the things that I've been writing a lot about in recent years and absolutely include in the road map is um, how um, we are caught in a cycle of reincarnation in which our consciousness still in a state of ignorance leaves leaves the body um follows up the tunnel or whatever to the light and then enters what Buddhists call the wheel of samsara and comes back into this human reality or another quote lifetime.

Um and this reincarnation cycle um is a trap uh because as I go into in the books I think we talked may have talked about last time um these entities that are that have created the um the simulation are feeding off low vibrational human energy. the energy that um resonates to the frequency of fear, anxiety, depression, um hatred, conflict, war, um regret, resentment, all these things. And so the these entities that have that are manipulating this simulation have no interest whatsoever in creating a world in which people will generate love, joy, um appreciation, peace, um happiness.

Now consciousness can manifest that way. It goes up and down obviously. But um overwhelmingly they are using this this global cult network to create events in our reality that are um meant to generate from our response to them. um low vibrational emotional and mental energy which they're feeding off.

Um, as I said many times, um, the human sacrifice, satanic rituals that these people are involved in, these cultists are involved in, um, are designed to generate a an immensely powerful low vibrational energy um, called terror in the victim, which these entities feed off. because um you know we can see someone's emotional state um by their facial expressions and their body language. What we can't see is the energy that those emotional states uh give off.

Um I mean even mainstream science knows that we do but we can't see them uh those frequencies because it's outside of visible light so we can't see it and it's also an astral phenomenon. So when we are feeling um extreme emotion, low vibrational emotion, fear, etc., we're pouring energy into the astral dimension where these entities are feeding off it in a satanic ritual. And one of the things that happens in these rituals is um the um the terror, energetic terror infuses into the blood as a response um an adrenaline. And this is adrenocchrome. This is you know the stories of adrenocchrome, the drinking in Washington and all that stuff. This is what the Satanists in our reality do. They It's like a drug to them. gives them a high, they can go crazy as people I've talked to have described when they drink this stuff.

Um, so uh we are giving off this this this energy. The point being that there there is a way that when you leave the body and and and what is happening what what is death? Death is that point where the body ceases to function. And what does it stop doing? It stops decoding the simulation. So it stops delivering this decoded sense of reality.

Um, what happens when the computer um screen goes blank and black? It stops decoding the internet, the Wi-Fi, and we say things like, "My computer's died." So the the the body ceases to function and when that happens our consciousness is released into a completely different uh uh dimension of reality. But there is a um a way if if if you hold your sense of identity of being consciousness not um unable to be entrapped. I go into this in the book in some detail. Then you can just you leave the body and you leave the the matrix all levels of it. Obviously they don't want that to happen because they want to keep consciousness entrapped in this wheel of samsara. So we keep producing what has become known as luch this low low vibrational energy.

So, in the first Matrix movie, um, when the Morpheus character held up the battery and said, "The Matrix is a computerenerated dream world designed to turn humans into one of these," it was a profound truth in an apparently fictional movie. So, ideally, when you leave the body, you're out of here. And and that's the ideal. But while we're here, this simulation is interactive and the infusion of consciousness beyond the programs that um are there to control us can change the nature of this reality.

Um when you get deeper and deeper into quantum physics, they are um saying how confusing it is that they've shown in their studies that um at the quantum level you have the wave um form, the frequency form, which is the information. Basically what they're looking at is the simulation um the simulation field. It's what they're looking at with this the waveform at the quantum level. But what they are they are confused about is that when those waveform information u phenomena are observed by a human by human attention the waveform transforms into particle form. What? But it's perfectly explainable um our um sum total of our mental and emotional state and states and the vast majority of it is in the subconscious. And if you look at what psychology suggests, it says that 95% of human behavior is generated by the subconscious, not the conscious mind in reflex action or u almost like robotic behavior. But it it's coming from the subconscious, not the conscious mind. Which is why this, you know, you can react to certain things from the subconscious reaction. And then the conscious mind kicks in and says, "Oh my god, what was I doing? What was I thinking?" Ah, you weren't. your subconscious was.

Um, and so the sum total of this conscious and subconscious field of perception is interacting with the quantum level of reality. It's interact. So you take the the frequency wave field at the quantum level the below the so-called physical level that is potential and possibility and our state of perception interacts energetically with that through our attention. if you like, and manifests a projection, a decoded projection of um our perceptual state into a particle form which we perceive as physical.

So um in this way our perceptual field of sense of reality interacts with the potentiality of the the quantum frequency fields and takes out of those fields a reality in particle quote physical form that relates to our perceptual field. So in this way we can start to understand not just as the old saying goes we create our own reality. We can see how we do it. And so we we look at people for instance that have a belief that they have no power. uh that they um have no power over their lives and and they look to authority to tell them what to think because well obviously they don't know cuz they're what do I know? I'm just little me. Uh and they may think that the the the good things in life, things they'd really like to happen never happen to them. What you believe you perceive and what you perceive you experience. And this is how we're doing it by our sense of reality becoming our experienced reality.

One of the things I mention in the book uh in the road map at at one point is a a writer who um set about trying to understand why some people are immensely quote successful and others are not. And he focused on but the principle is the same. He focused on people uh who were what we would call the elite and um how they became immensely rich. And what he found was they did a tremendous amount of what you might call visualization. they um focus their mind on a certain reality, a certain outcome, and that's what they created. And it doesn't just apply to having lots of money. It applies to anything. And so this is another element of what that knows that it wants to keep from the population. It doesn't want the population to know that we're creating our own reality, let alone how we do it. But it's it wants to use that knowledge for its own ends. And this brings us to another point. If they can control the individual and collective perception of humanity, then subconscious as well as conscious. Then they can get humanity to create the world, the reality that suits the cult and the other dimensional masters.

Um, and that's what they're doing. You know, people talk about they say, "Oh, they have to tell us what they're doing. Um, it's it's it's it's part of universal law." No, no, it's nothing to do with universal law. They have to um let us know, especially subconsciously, what the plan is and where the world's going. Because if we take that on board and think okay that's the way the world's going to go that's that's that's inevitable we'll create that reality. This is what uh this phenomenon um called preemptive programming is all about where they uh present to you movies and television programs. And my god, how many have we seen in the last decades that present the dystopian world that they want to create? Because in doing so, they're infusing, not least into the subconscious, this sense of reality and where the world's going. And we will through this quantum process of interaction create that world. This is why in all my books I keep saying where I said this is the plan and this is what uh they want to happen. But it doesn't have to if we awaken to what they don't want us to know. It doesn't have to happen. And it's it's vital that that is constantly um emphasized because if you fall into the it's inevitable and you notice that's what they keep telling us. These these AI people that want to uh fuse AI with with humans and create this um AI controlled human mind. your people like Musk and these other oligarchs, your Teals in America and your Mark Andre's and your David Saxs who's the AI Zar of Trump. All these people um they're telling us that it's inevitable that AI will do what they want it to do. Musk, oh yeah, well, you know, it could be the end of humanity, but it's inevitable. So we have to fuse with AI otherwise humanity will die out. This is all part of the um perceptual programming of inevitability which collectively people then create. It's our minds, our consciousness that is being used to create our own prison. And this is why awakening way way beyond the political and financial level of the conspiracy is absolutely vital because without that awakening um we'll go on creating the reality we are being manipulated to create.

David, I wanted to ask you there because there's 8 billion people on the planet right now and something that's going on is that there are these these planned programs and realities that are being subconsciously programmed into us to inadvertently decide to go down that path. There is also many alternatives and infinite possibilities that we can go down. What do you feel is going to be the most important decision that humanity is going to make especially in this next year 2026 and in the the years after that that will determine which reality we choose to experience ourselves? And are there parallel realities that then again get um created if if multiple populations and and masses of people choose a different timeline per se?

Well, we we we all live in um in different realities anyway. As I spoke about earlier, um the body um is the common uh the the common anchor that um locks us into this reality. But in terms of consciousness, um people are living in multiple realities. Now, um it's um it's about uh in answer to that question, it's about self-identity. That's the foundation of everything. If you identify with being human as your eye, then you are immediately self-identifying with extreme levels of limitation of I can't of it's not possible of ignorance. If you believe that you do have some form of soul, which is merely a an energetic shell that allows us to um experience the astral dimension, then and you believe that there's some god up there. We always look up when we're talking about heaven or whatever. that it share the same space. All these different realities share the same space just on different wavelengths.

Um, if you think you're subordinate and under the control of some loving God who will send you to the fires of hell if you don't do what he says, um, and and you you are little me and and you have to bend the knee to God and his deities, then um you again you might perceive um if I'm good I will maybe get to heaven, but you're still in a perceptual state of limitation and subordination. If you are in the human world and you are subordinate to authority because you believe yourself to belittle me and I have no power and authority has all the power. It doesn't. has our power which we give to it in the form of acquiescence or you believe that there's some god in some other reality that's that's judging you and you have to do what he says all that stuff you will create that reality and the common theme between the two is subordination to authority whatever form you perceive it to take and and and and if if that's your perception that will be your reality you will be subordinate to to to authority 8 billion people controlled by a handful we call authority is ridiculous mathematically. It's insane. It's not possible unless the many give their power to the few in the form of acquiescence of various kinds.

So um self-identity transforming our selfidentity from believing the human form is the eye or believing that soul is the eye under the control of some loving you know terms of the old testament and and other religions psychopathic god um it's um it's holding you in the in the trap in the different levels of the matrix. But if you can self-identify who you are with being awareness, a state of being aware, an infinite state of awareness beyond this ludicrous um enslavement trap, the simulation Then that's what you will connect with. That insight is what you will then start perceiving. And when you leave the body, you'll be freaking out of here because they can't hold you in when you are um within the frequ uh you you are not within the frequency band of the of the matrix. You see what they're doing? because they know that your state of consciousness, your state of perception manifests as a frequency. They're seeking to keep you in a state of perception both in the human world and in the astral world in the form of quote soul where your perceptions are not generating a frequency that allows you to leave the matrix. That's what the whole thing is founded on. So once you um expand your awareness through your self-identity with being beyond the matrix, beyond its version of God, beyond its version of you're just a human accident, um that came from some primordial soup and you start self-identifying with being the the infinity beyond it. your frequency uh the frequency that you are operating on, the frequency of your perceptual field um is way beyond the limitations of the matrix. And at that point within the matrix, within the human body um experience, you're seeing the world in a completely different way because you're in the world with the body, but you're not of the world in terms of your perception of reality. And when you leave the body, you're out of here. You're out of here. Bye. See you. Uh but they don't want that. They want to hold us in perceptual states of limitation um and limited self-identity whereby um we stay within the walls the frequency walls of the matrix.

What's your view um David on on ascended masters, someone like um Jesus that came at a very significant moment in time in history um of human evolution? Um was that an incarnate consciousness that knew already who it was and didn't forget or did Jesus also have to go through this process of awakening to remember his I am self?

I don't believe any of it. Um, of the 28 chapters in the road map, five are about religion because it's a fundamental um, [snorts] foundation of human control. Um, 8 billion people um, and it's estimated that about 5.4 4 billion um self-identify with either being a Christian, a Muslim or a Hindu, never mind all the others. Fundamental, it's it's it's a foundation of human control. And what I um look at in three of the chapters, in fact, four of the chapters is um I'm looking at what we're told to believe in the different religions and where they came from and what the evidence is that they're telling us the truth.

Um, and um, let's say it doesn't pass the test. Um, because um for instance if you look at the Old Testament and the stories of the Old Testament on which the New Testament is based and to a very large extent people don't realize this um on which Islam is based um which came a lot a lot of centuries later um there is no evidence and no archaeological evidence when they're absolutely should be that these stories are true. First of all, there's a common theme between the Old Testament, the New Testament, and Islam, and it's that the writings came long after the alleged events.

Um, so h how was that communicated then? And what what are we doing believing without question texts from thousands of years ago that no one can tell who who wrote them and why and what circumstances and what was their motivation. And one of the motivation of the um the scribes, the Old Testament scribes was that um they wanted to create um a fake history which actually um was inspired by um the area of the world we call Mesopotamia, the land between two rivers. It's now Iraq and part of Syria. um Sumerian tablets that came from um thousands of years ago um is is the the foundation of so much in the Old Testament didn't happen in the area of what we now call Israel. It happened in Mesopotamia. You know, you've got the story of Noah in the Old Testament. um and the flood. Well, you find exactly the same story with different names in the Sumerian tablets from thousands of years earlier. You look at um the Exodus where Moses is supposed to have led his Israelites to freedom from the Pharaoh in Egypt. But first of all, um, the Egyptian chronicers and recorders of their their times um, don't mention anything about it. Like the Romans, they were Egyptians were real chronicers of of detailed things. No mention of plagues of locusts and plagues of frogs. No mention of the Israelites fleeing the pharaoh. And the Bible talks about um 600,000 men fleeing overnight um led by Moses from the Pharaoh. Okay. 600,000 men. Add the women, add the children, and it's estimated you're talking about maybe two million people. Then add all the um the animals, the domestic animals, the the cattle and what have you. And somehow they were supposed to flee overnight pursued by Egyptian troops in their chariots. And then God opened the Red Sea and they went through and then the Red Sea was brought back when the the chariots um were pursuing them. And then um these two million people were supposed to have um walked around a very small actually desert for 40 years. And I quote in the the road map um two um Jewish um archaeologists who are looking at the evidence for any of this happening and many other things in the the biblical story. And of course being Jewish archaeologists they have no um interest or investment in um and there's no benefit to them of saying actually none of it ever happened. But that's what they do.

Um, if you had two million people traveling around a desert, small desert, there would be endless archaeological um remains. There'd be phenomenal numbers of um of graves, of um animal bones, and all the things that um would have happened. And how do you how do you feed 2 million people in a in a desert? Oh, well, mana from heaven. Oh, thank you. That's a good one. Hold on a minute. We've got a um we got a problem here. How would they have how would they have eaten? Oh, we'll have we'll have God producing mana from heaven, you know. Yeah. Okay. And then um another thing is that um Moses supposed to have led the people into the desert to get away from the Pharaoh. Well, it just so happens that there is archaeological evidence in that period um in that desert area and elsewhere in what we now call Israel um of Egyptian forts. The Egyptians controlled that entire land, but somehow you flee the Pharaoh into a land controlled by the same Pharaoh. And and oh, don't ask too many questions, mate. It's like in journalism, you used to say, don't don't make too many phone calls. It spoils a good story because you find out it's not true. And then Moses hands over to um Joshua and he on God's say so goes and slaughters the Canaanites and um part of that slaughter was um to um bring down the walls of Jericho and um so they supposed to have you know blown their trumpets and the walls came tumbling down. Just so happens that um there were no walls in Jericho. And you know this is a a point not just about the Old Testament, the New Testament as well is that because um it was written after the period in which it's supposed to have happened. That applies particularly to the um Old Testament long long after like a thousand years sometimes after 1500 years sometimes after terms of the existence of Abraham who was born in Mesopotamia. So the Bible tells us Suma Shina as the Bible calls it. um many places that did not exist then but existed at the time the writers were writing um were included in the stories which when they didn't exist at the time the stories were supposed to have taken place. And when you um then come into the the New Testament stories, even though there's no evidence that all this stuff took place in the Old Testament, the New Testament has been written in terms of the Gospels anyway and and more besides that basically um appears to be it was written for that reason as I talk about in the book um an an ongoing um projection from the Old Testament.

Um, so um the Jesus figure in the gospels talks about u figures in the Old Testament which which clearly did not exist. They're Mesopotamian stories if they existed at all. And then you look at Islam and people don't a lot most people don't realize this um Islam includes in its um story um many of the people from the Old Testament and New Testament. So it it it it talks about Moses, it talks about Abraham. Abraham is a big figure in Islam, Mecca. And um it talks about mother Mary. Talks about Jesus but says no no Jesus was not the last prophet Muhammad was and the biographies of Muhammad were written long after Muhammad died or supposed to have died in 632 AD. So you've got this this stream which comes from the Old Testament stories that cannot be um supported by the evidence when it should be in many cases through the New Testament into Islam. And um what was we talking about almost right at the start? You get people into unquestioning belief systems and then you play them off against each other to divide and rule. And that is what we are looking at. And that's why um this book the road map will be so controversial. but it will also make sense of the apparently unexplainable. And um that's why I wrote it.

Got it right here, brother. Thank you and your team for sending it over. Um, we end every show, David, with a segment called the final trio, which are some rapidfire questions at the end like we did last time. Before that, where would you want to send everyone to connect with you with your work, the massive resources that you provide? Uh we'll also link everyone to to go and grab a copy of the road map. Uh where would you send everyone else?

>> Um to to connect.

>> They can get a copy of the road map at davidikeke.com. Um and um we also have a a fantastic um media platform called iconic.com which um does fulllength documentaries on everything from what's happening daytoday to um the nature of reality and all the things we've been talking about.

Um, and um so they can get that at um iconic.com. In fact, um we are um hoping to have um a lot of Spanish um translations um in the the coming um months and um so there's there's that.

Um, and um you know, if they go to my YouTube channel um

>> it's back online after five and a half years.

>> Yeah. Banned for five and a half years. But certainly they're letting everybody back. Um and there's reasons for that. But um you know uh we were interacting with them, shall we say? My son was Jamie saying, "Look, you've let all these people back. Why not why not um me?" And um eventually they um relented and and and and it happened.

Um, so that's um that's been a real boost and and and people can go there. There's the the videos um are posted there week after week um new videos and there's a whole unbelievable library of videos going way back um um into the 1990s as well um which if people today who have not seen them just have a look they'll think my god he was saying what's happening now in the 1990s How was he doing that?

>> Simple. You work to uncover what they know and the the cult knows and what their agenda is, what their plan is. And then you tell people and if nothing happens to intervene in the plan, then it happens. And people think you've predicted the future. You haven't. You predicted the plan. And so what we need now is that intervention. And um we can bring it down so fast if we put down the fault lines of division and divide and rule and start um to um start to unite against a common threat to all of us.

I normally never never do or say this um in in a in an interview, but I would encourage everyone today to to share this this episode and this message which which with whoever you feel called to share it with. Also, leaving a comment really helps this this video and this message get out there to people. I was looking back, you you opened up talking about the um Overton window and I was looking back at your 1991 interview with um Terry Wogan [snorts] and I just imagine how differently that message would have been received today and what you endured um for years of of ridicule and and isolation from society. I wanted to ask you in the final trio what you feel has been the hardest part of carrying this message and also what has been the most beautiful um

well in many ways it's the same thing um like I said earlier um when you are talking about um a description of reality that's very different to um people's sense abnormal then you are going to get ridicule and you're going to get abuse.

Um, I still do but a fraction of what it used to be um because events have um have made that happen and you know so when you go into it you know that's going to happen. I mean, people were saying to me long ago, um, 30 odd years ago, 36 years ago now, um, didn't you know, you get ridicule when you said so and so? And you know, I'm I'm like, well, you know, I'd worked that out. Yeah, but what are you going to do? Are you going to have the self confidence and the commitment to what you're trying to do to say it knowing what the consequences are going to be, but also knowing that if what you say has validity, it will eventually be shown to be. So it might take some time, but eventually it will if it has validity. And then people will say, "Hold on a a minute. That guy said that all that time ago." But if you um if you submit to this prison called the fear of what other people think and the fear of what other people will do, you don't say it. And so when it happens and you say, "Um, I knew this would happen. I I knew this was going to happen." People say, "Oh, yeah, of course you did, mate. Of course you did." But in my case, because I said it and wrote it, it's there to be seen. Yeah, it is happening. And the other side of it is the well the frustration of what seemed for a long time like talking to a wall. That that was a a um a challenge. But then the enormous satisfaction of seeing minds open to things they would have rejected and waved away not so long ago. is a um it's a phenomenal sense of um of joy and achievement.

Um, because because this is this is the road the open mind road that we have to pursue to bring this nonsense to an end. And and and if those minds do not open beyond those walls of indoctrinated belief in all its forms, then this force will reach its end goal. But it can't. It can't. If we awaken beyond its programming and unite beyond its divide and rule.

Um, because a few people can't control 8 billion if the 8 billion a know what the game is and b refuse to cooperate with it. So, um, we are looking in the eye of the storm now, but it's still reversible. It's just a choice and it's time to make it.

>> I would rewatch that part a few times. Um, David, we'll end here with the question, what is the deepest source of hope inside you that has never been shaken? And what has kept that flame alive all of these years?

Well, knowing that I am a an expression of infinite awareness, I am eternal and I am on an endless journey of exploring forever, forever. And this is a brief experience in which you seek to do everything you can to to uncover and communicate the nature of the human prison. So it cease to ceases to be a prison because it's a perceptual prison and thus information can change perception which demolishes ultimately um the prison but it's also the knowledge the awareness that whatever happens um you're still all that is, has been, and ever can be. Having a brief human experience in which you're doing your best to make a difference, but whatever.

Um, it's just an experience. The point being that we need to be in control of when that experience ends. and through the wheel of samsara we are currently not through ignorance of the the situation in which we find ourselves. So um I I just you know when you when you open to consciousness beyond the program what you tend to do is what you feel is right. um you don't go through this mental gymnastics of um what will people think of me or say about me or do about me if um if I say this you you you say and do what you feel is right and you don't um make a list of all the consequences of doing what you believe to be right, you just do it. Uh because you know if you start a list of all the consequences in this world of many things that people do that are necessary to do then you know you you'll reach a point on the list where you'll say okay I'd like to do it. I'd like to do what I know to be right but not that badly.

Um, but if you really mean it, then you just do it and whatever consequences can't come, you know, cuz in the end, I'm out of here and I'll still be all that is, has been, and ever can be. Uh, I I can handle that.

just to say David, thank you so much for your heart, your dedication to the truth, to humanity, to your own exploration of consciousness. Uh it's it's a pleasure always to connect with you and to weave together. It's my highest honor and I would love to continue these chats. I feel like they're getting deeper and deeper each time. Um, and and I know I'll be a student of your work for the years to come. So, thank you so much, David. And uh I hope to do this again very very soon. But deep within you, you know it all. Everybody does. We've just forgotten and been encouraged to forget. That's the point.

>> Much love. Thank you.

>> See you, mate. All the best.

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