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Candace Owens seems to be the only person in the world that genuinely liked Charlie Kirk outside of using him for propaganda. Like I am perplexed by seeing all these conservative people talk about how he was their friend and then immediately jumping to how can we use him to further our far-right political agenda. That audience.
"Somebody should make a compilation of every right-winger saying the last thing he texted me was uh my exact agenda that I want to get across."
Yes. And it it's like oddly kind of sad. I mean, she posted Can posted this like, you know, compilation of them dancing and hanging out and you almost realize like, oh, that that there was a world where some of these people could have maybe been normal. But Charlie was Charlie was starting TPUSA when he was 18 years old. And like you're just kind of locked in at that point. Both your brain formation, the incentive structure to be this like crazy right-winger. And who knows like what these folks could have been like if they didn't have so much money behind them. Um but they chose this path regardless. While Charlie's widow is like, you know, saying, "I'm going to exact vengeance upon thee the whole uh damn time." Um, you at least have like some one person in media who seems to want to know what's happened to Charlie Kirk outside of how they can exploit it. It's Candace Owens. Now, I don't trust anything she says. Just want to put that out there. But I do think it's interesting that they're taking this lane.
There does appear to a Venet meeting also that's being referred to here with Charlie Kirk and Bill Aman. At least the Greyzone is reporting that, right? And um I also, you know, would like to see a lot more evidence, but I would not be shocked. Aman didn't deny it in his deny it. True threat. True. I mean, or one tweet, I Well, I will say what is being implied by the reporting on this meeting is that Charlie Kirk was not in a good relationship with place with the Israeli government. And I just don't think we can take that step, let alone that would be ignoring all of his past incredibly dogmatic pro-Zionist content.
I would just say if Charlie was planning on breaking with Israel, he should have done it sooner. And we also just don't have evidence that he was going to do that except for the claims of some right-wing podcasters who are known to lie. I mean, there's there's clips people will show of him on like Megan Kelly talking about he's annoyed that he gets people calling him anti-semite that look like it was in the proximity of this meeting with Aman. I believe I can find him saying something about ethnic cleansing. Uh I don't know if it's necessarily uh I'm I'm going to look this up um if for the full context, but like he would he had to because his like you can't just be massively 100% pro- Israel. I mean Charlie Kirk was saying I support Israel because I I met I like went there and saw like the ancients of my religion and felt their presence there. Right. Right. Exactly. Like Christian Zionist reasons. But also Israel is massively unpopular and Candace Owens herself broke with Israel. So Charlie had to do at least a little bit towards that.
Yeah. And the audience was demanding it. And we'll I just I find this in interesting absent like even if we putting aside the conspiracy theories about Charlie Kirk because I think based on the information that we have available, if this suspect actually is the person who is found to have killed Charlie, there seems to be no evidence that he had links to Israel. Yeah, this has nothing to do with the shooter. I just want to put that out there. But I do think it like the pressure that was being put on Charlie irrespective of who shot him is newsworthy.
And that pressure, by the way, was coming from Nick Fuentes's fans who are really anti-Israel and anti-semitic in terms of um how he was being outflanked to his right. Here's a clip of Charlie uh that is being passed around as like the one of the ones uh where he might have been going against Israel a little bit. This is uh him. It looks like I'm PBD if I had to guess what that background is. "I got to be careful the way I say this to they're going to try to ethnically cleanse Gaza."
I mean that that's and I don't use that term lightly. Okay. Before Charlie K. Okay. So that's the I mean it's nice to that's the thing is like okay now all of a sudden he gets to and I'll look for more a more uh what he said after that cuz it didn't seem like the kind of like nervous laugh is not how I would have presented that information like they're going to ethnically cleanse Gaza um this country that you say you've always supported and you've ob previously extended your support to Netanyahu on.
So, here's Candace Owens, uh, I guess with her theory in the Hamptons, and he had, um, more than one event, but, he had, uh, essentially what was staged, an intervention was staged by Bill Aman because Charlie's thoughts, Charlie's rational thoughts about Israel were a no no. this is this is not the route that you should be going on. And Charlie was surrounded by his friends, his quoteunquote friends. Uh Bill Aman was very upset and threats were made. That is what uh I am I am told and I will tell you that I am very happy for Bill Aman to dispute this narrative. In fact, he was asked to dispute this narrative. Uh Max Blumenthal went out to him today and Bill Aman came back and said, "I I have receipts. I can show you." And he did not provide the receipts. This is not how it went down. I know it went down this way. I'm waiting for one of them to go on record and to say that it didn't go down this way. It was at this time that BB Netany and Yahoo was called and Charlie was invited to Israel. This was an under duress situation I would say because I.
This is where I'm like I this meeting I find this this reporting interesting. I do. But what she's implying is is way too far. Like I I first she's using this language that is really like heavily uh influenced by her emotions about the situation which I'd imagine is quite rational. But she's like speaking about this in terms that I feel like are a little bit too histrionic because this can be true, right? That Charlie Kirk was receiving pressure from Zionist donors. We know that this was true. This is true across the right-wing um media ecosystem that it has been reported in the Jerusalem Post among other outlets that Netanyahu had met with Tim P and Dave Rubin earlier this year and Netanyahu had been going on different podcasts including PBD, including the Neelk boys because he's concerned about losing the support of young right-wingers in this country. So I don't doubt that that meeting was difficult but I just find it a little curious that she's drawing this conclusion here but or at least implying it heavily. When I started asking very sensible questions about Israel as someone who had dedicated her political life to supporting Israel many times alongside Charlie Kirk. I was met with the very same pressure. And just like Charlie was being invited to Israel, I was invited somewhere else. And when this arrived to me.
Now, I'll just say um both uh Char and I do believe Abin 100% leaned on Kirk. Now the the what's problematic about this is these aren't just two principled anti-ionists. They've both said legitimately anti-semitic things. Charlie Kirk said that Jews were infecting the country with anti-white racism. Mhm. Um and but it is true that I don't think uh that's what Bill Aman got in touch with him about. I think it was because of uh not being super reliable on Israel. And in part, one of the things like I've seen Dave Smith mention is Charlie Kirk was apparently and we played this his pivot uh of being completely against any strikes against Iran explicitly so and saying like even strikes uh with without an invasion are wrong to then saying okay I support um a this one strike but no more after that. And that was actually even JD Vance in his his Charlie Kirk show yesterday said, you know, that was in his example of uh Charlie um playing the game responsibly because he allowed us to like strike Iran but then, you know, said this was all is going to be. That was probably more concerning to Bill Aman that Charlie would go against something that Israel wants, which is America to strike Iran than that he would say that um Jews are infecting America with anti-white racism.
It felt like a threat, you know. I got to tell that it felt like a threat, like not like, "Hey, come here and we can educate you because you're my friend." I'm more like this is your last chance. That's how it felt to me. I can't speak to how it felt of Charlie. Um, and I know that Charlie was offered a ton of money in this moment. A ton of money. BB would fund it, you know, spend tons of money. Uh, and Turning Point, I guess, if it needed to go to a higher level, would would have gone to an even higher level than it already was at. And I know for a fact that Charlie denied that funding, that Charlie denied what BB didn't include there, he declined to go to Israel for I would describe.
Now, this is interesting to me. We don't know uh if that is true because obviously Charlie Kirk has passed away. So, he he could have in in theory agreed to it at another point and gone there. But um we know that Joe Rogan was offered Benjamin Netanyahu to come on his podcast and he declined it. Um I think that there is a concerted effort right now. The court right-wing media influencers and that's what this story I think narrowly is most interesting um when you look at it here because who's turning it down is also notable. It's folks. Charlie Kirk was very wealthy and Turning Point USA had made a lot of money for him. He probably didn't need the the the money that either Aman or other Zionist billionaires were offering him. Um but some other folks might some other folks who I don't know were involved in like litigation like I'm not saying Tim P took money after meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu. I don't have any proof of that. But we're hearing more and more reports from right-wingers that these meetings are happening.
This has like, you know, re-education camp. You know, we've seen it. You made an uh oh, but we can help you. You know, we just need you to come out to Awitz and take a picture. Yeah. We just need you to come to the Holocaust Museum and take a photo. We just need you to go to Israel and we can make this better. Charlie said no to BB. Okay. Bill Aman. If you would like to dispute that, I would love to hear what you say happened because our sources and what we have, it's solid. Okay. There were conversations that took place, messages that were at that time.
Who is this then? Is it Netanyahu or Bill Aman? Like, I just don't trust her. I'm sorry. I just don't lunatic. Yeah, but I mean I think this happened or Bill Aman should sue her. Okay. But then but she keeps saying it's Benjamin Netanyahu offering the money or is it is it Bill Aman? I Well, she's saying she's saying that Charlie uh didn't take money from Netanyahu. And if Bill Aman wants to deny that, he can. I mean, I don't know why Bill Aman would know about that. I mean, I he might. It just feels a little too convenient that Benjamin Netanyahu is the one saying, "I'm going to pay X amount of money." Like, all right. Well, I mean, do we have more of this? What What else is about three more minutes?
And they are solid. So, I decided another person that was there, and I am not surprised this person was there. If you've been listening to my show, Seth Dylan, I was going to go out to Seth Dylan, and I decided to message him last night about this uh Hampton's meeting. And Seth Dylan, who is normally very quick with her response, has not yet been able to respond. I'll show you this text message chain. I just I am not someone who normally publicizes text messages, but I'm crazy, so I'm going to do it anyway. I'm just not really in in the state right now to be polite when it comes to the answers that I am demanding. Okay, this is me out to Seth Dylan last night. I sent him Bill Aman's tweets because, you know, he tweeted, "I feel incredibly privileged to have spent a day and shared a meal with Charlie Kirk this summer. He was a giant of a man." I said, "Any comment on this one, Seth?" He didn't answer last night. This morning, I said, "Need a comment ASAP, please?" He didn't answer. Then I followed that up and I said, "Trying again here. You were present when Aman lost his mind on Charlie." And when BB invited him to Israel and Charlie refused. Text messages immediately following this meeting are circulating. I find Aman's statement as though the meeting was somehow cordial to be incredibly disturbing. Are you at all disturbed by that tweet? Do you feel, as I do, that this tweet significantly betrays the defined purpose and mood of his and I presume your final meeting with Charlie Kirk? He was unable to speak to me, but he did place some frantic calls to Turning Point USA. Yeah. You see, I went out to Seth, but I also went out to two other people uh who were at this meeting, and nobody is willing to go on record. They're all messaging each other trying to figure out.
Seth Dylan is the Babylon B guy, by the way. Okay, so uh I do think it's interesting that Ben Shapiro is taking over TPUSA. Oh, he's not. That was a rumor. That was a rumor. Okay, out of the cycle, then. All right. Well, something to monitor. And I find it interesting at the very least that it seems like this meeting happened um regardless of what you know that.
Her fanfiction. Her fanfiction. Exactly. I think I trust uh Candace Owens more than Bill Aman about the nature of that meeting. Now I also think that it's way overblown this idea that Charlie Kirk was going to pivot in any real way um uh against Israel. And I think uh whether he was or he wasn't, he didn't. And I would just say to anybody who is thinking about doing that, if you're playing both sides, do it sooner because you never know what's going to happen.
There this I am is really good. I I do think that this is true. The value tainer says, I think that the reality is that Israel realizes that it even in hyperpolarized America, negative attitudes towards Israel is becoming the consensus opinion for people under 45. That's why you see BB going on the milk boys, meeting Tim. It would not surprise me if someone like Aman wanted to make sure Kirk stayed a fullthroated supporter of Israel. However, if this was an Israeli plot, wouldn't the shooter of rodent free Palestine and the bullet kind of Well, that's exactly separate. Those are separate things. We're not saying anything about the shooter. And now that it's clear that the shooter is not some sort of MSAD guy who got went to a private jet and flew out of the country immediately. We can talk about the actual pressures that were on Kirk, whether it was about Israel, whether it was about the sort of so-called anti-war posture that he had and then ultimately supporting Iran. Like, but this is real. Like, I I don't think this is made up at all about Bill Aman's uh and I I I don't trust Candace Owens, but I think that tweet where he's like, "We had a great time with uh with Charlie Kirk." I think he he I think it probably was more contentious than that.
Uh Val Tanner says, "Just kind of disappointed to see some pro Palestine voices hop on this narrative just because they see it as motion on Twitter." Yeah. And I do think that part of what's the the problem is is that we how are we supposed to trust the law enforcement authorities to accurately relay the information about what happened here to us? Um, we have Cash Patel and Pam Bondi leading the FBI and the Department of Justice respectively and they have put out numerous false statements in order to blame firstly trans people, then the left, than anybody that is more convenient to their narrative. And so this feeds a level of conspiracism that is warranted here. Here's just a little bit of uh Charlie Kirk on Megan Kelly um that a lot of people are pointing to as sort of substantiation that this meeting happened and Charlie wasn't uh super comfortable with it.
"I'm an American citizen. Yes, I want Israel to win. Yes, I'm a Christian. But like the some of the me and you saw you've seen how I've been treated Megan by some, not all, by some." "No, it's very irritating." "It's been so unfair. They were coming after you after a turning point for among other things. And you had Dave Smith there. Dave Smith is allowed to criticize Israel." "You had both sides. The Israeli side was not though. No, you're not allowed to. It's even worse than that. Again, I just want to repeat for the fifth time. I love Israel. I want Israel to win. But my moral character is now being put into question, Megan. Not my decisions. Not like, "Hey, are you doing this? Is it smart or is it dumb?" But no, I am a bad person if I do this. And it's I could go I mean, you saw it, Megan. It was trending on Twitter, thousands of tweets and text messages. And if I were to be charitable and generous, I will say the people that are attacking me are in a hyper paranoid state because they're at war and war tends to make things black and white. And you're a hammer looking for a nail. So, I'm trying to be charitable, Megan. Literally, I'm trying to cut as much slack as I can. Right. Okay. What would it be like if all of a sudden I'm starting to see a pattern of behavior similar to what my grandparents saw in 1930s Germany online? How would I behave? So that's like my charitable kind of over compensation spirit. At the same time, I'm like, but you're it's it's not defensible to be dumb, right?"
Candace's interesting face. Um, I mean, there you kind of see Charlie's position on the subject. He loves Israel. He's a Christian. Don't make him look bad. Yeah. Hey folks, don't forget to hit the subscribe button and check out our daily show. We do it every day at 12 p.m. Eastern for about 2 and 1/2 hours. We even take phone calls. You should check that out.