UFOs, Greys, and Lies: Philip Kinsella’s Explosive UFO Claims

[Music] And now from beyond our dimension, this is the Jeff Mara podcast. Here's Jeff.

My guest is Philip Canella, clairvoyant medium and UFO investigator who's had many bizarre UFO/Paranormal experiences, including his own alien abduction in 1989. Philip, thanks for joining me and welcome.

Thank you, Jeff. It's an honor to be on your show.

Well, it's my honor to have you. And what came first for you, the medium abilities or the UFO abduction? And do you think either one influenced the other?

That's a very good question. Um, in the second part of what you're asking, I had no wish to become a medium or being involved with ufology, but the subject matter of the UFOs was very much top of the agenda and first on that list. And it started when my brother and myself, my identical twin brother Ronald, um, and I had an experience when we were age 13 with our maternal grandmother. And that was in Middle Sex, Felton Middle Sex. They lived in a big house, a large house, and we were presented with a silver orb that came towards us in broad daylight and hovered over our grandmother's head. That has been documented. And that was the beginning of the level of high stranges. But I also discovered there had been things that happened within our childhood as well. It's not like you put things together.

And then in the winter of 1989, I had what is termed as an alien abduction. I was able to recall the entire experience. And that was kind of frightening for me. Um, but there was also a question about how they, when I say they, we call them aliens, were able to get me through solid matter because one part of it was material, the other part was not. So this then led me into exploring consciousness and um then developing a theory back in 1996 that was published called spirits in material world. It was then some years later where my maternal grandmother had passed over and I'd gone to see a medium and then things exploded. Um, I wanted to find out the truth about what we were, where we came from, why we we're here, we live and we die. Is that the end? I wanted the truth. And of course that led me then into the psychic part. and a medium I'd gone to see um shortly after my maternal grandmother had died the same month in the same year as Princess Diana um had told me that I'd be a medium and I always knew that I was kind of like a freak if I can use that word. So whether or not the abduction that I had in 1989 had caused some kind of trigger and opened something else within the mind is questionable. So you know we can we can look at either one of two ways. Whether or not the shock or the opening or the experience that came forward the alien abduction of 1989 had widened some form of conscious awareness in me. Um I do believe that is possible. Absolutely. Because when you are touched by the singularity it changes you. And um just to finish off there it changes you in this sense that the system we serve tells us there's no such thing as life after death. UFO is nothing more than conspiracy and creation. Well, it's held in the annals of faith which is quite you know accepted by the system because there's no scientific validation or proof. So was I delusional or was the system we serving not telling us the truth and of course that is where things really changed within my life uh on a conscious spiritual level as well. So it was quite a transformation for me.

A significant number of my near-death experienced guests start having UFO contact after the NDE. And I feel that somehow the NDE opens them up kind of in the same way you're speaking of. But it sounds like it was in reverse for you that the UFO opened you up to these new abilities.

Yes, that's right. And I think you know the mind um is omnipresent. I think the brain is merely a a transmitter and receiver of consciousness rather like a signal going into a mobile phone. Um, you know the mechanism itself the hardware is merely the translator and anything can come within that signaling that's sent within the phone. Um, I think it's very interesting. I think when you you know this phenomena connects with you there is some kind of change within your etheric or they call it astral and the energy signatures have of have of have of have of have of have of have of have of have of have completely you know blown out uh outwards. I think also when we look at the system that we serve um since birth we are programmed uh in a very limited way about what life is and you know what you have to do and why you're here which is which is next to nothing. And so I believe that the phenomena when you've been touched by it um and there is an opening or an awareness a wider awareness you will draw these other energies towards you because you're you're no longer you know limited within your centralized programming. You're starting to question because this system we serve has done its damnedest to subjugate our human consciousness to to make us think and believe that this is all there is. And of course that's the only way that you will operate. If you start questioning, if you start reaching out within the mind because the mind is the builder, the creator, right? And of course, then I'm absolutely convinced that other dimensions of reality are drawn by your energy signatures, perhaps your light as they call it, and they come in, you know.

So, I I've always known that to a degree. Um, you know, whether or not you have a positive experience or a negative experience. Um, a lot of people tell me that the only reason I had a difficult and quite uh intrusive um abduction back in 1989 was because I'm a negative person. I am anything but. Um, you know, but the actual phenomena itself did shatter my concept of reality. And that's what then led me into the uh you know study of consciousness the other side incarnation reincarnation and even going so far as to exploring other systems of reality perhaps on different levels of awareness without digging into your abduction story. Do you feel that they pulled your consciousness out of your body and abducted you? I mean, because that's what I think you know many of my abduction guests relayed to me.

Yes, absolutely. Um, I questioned my own experience and through the constant questioning in 1996, I had the only time I ever had was a download about the grays and that was published in a magazine called um, alien encounters here in England and they called it revolutionary and it was upon the promise that my understanding with the grays is they pull you into their dimension of reality, the real essence of you. So there is a match or a connection between them and you and even though the energy is uh you know away from the human body there's still a connection and I wondered why it was that these beings would you know abduct people and why they were interested in incarnation and reincarnation and also with a birthing cycle for a species that themselves could not reproduce. So my my argument back then was are we dealing with some kind of force or entity that has replicated itself beyond that level of you know no longer being part of spirit and they have discovered humans that can reproduce and that are interested in that spark of divinity. I mean, it it led me into a another area that is only speculative and theoretical in nature. It doesn't mean to say that I believe in all of that. We have to be open to all concepts, all forms of understanding because you know if you if you say oh this is the only truth then that's not going to help you because our thoughts and our awareness goes through a process of transmutation. You yourself I many other people will start off with a basic outline and then we find it becomes more complicated. Uh if you go back into the early years of eupfology, you know, people were led to believe through the media cartel that we were dealing with little green men that were coming from flying sauces from other planets. And of course, the phenomena seems to have morphed itself throughout the decades. Um certainly in the uh you know late 1800s, you had the derigibles, then you had the rockets, and then you had the flying saucers and then progressed on towards the triangles. So as we're changing, I think, and Phil, the phenomena changes. So yes, it is interesting. I think there is emerging of the whole phenomena especially when you're dealing with UFOs. Um the other question is well you know people are saying I want disclosure. I want disclosure. I want to know the truth right we all do. But because the public have been programmed already by the system through the medium cartel. I think that disclosure will shatter a lot of people's concept of how they've been led to believe that reality is you know. So that that is a very interesting point. So sure, yes. I mean, when you've had an experience, you want to find out what it was, where it came from, why it happened, and what force is responsible behind that. And I'm still looking. I'm still searching.

Well, it would make sense at least for them to abduct us in that way because it would be a lot safer for them, you know, whether it's bacteria or viruses, as well as, you know, we we are probably considered a violent species for them.

Oh yes, absolutely. And the other problem is that as human beings um we are self-contained within our thoughts. Most of this phenomena seems to operate as a one mind hive consciousness. And we have those cases. I mean, I know that people say well, you know, hang on a minute. Why is Philip talking about dogman and why is he talking about Sasquatch and aliens and life after death? Well, the human seems to be so far removed from all other elements of the paranormal. And I wondered whether or not you know within the consciousness of the individual because we are contained we don't know what the other person is thinking and whereas let's take an example with the grays within their group they're able to connect wholly within their mind as we understand it but for us it's different um so I do do agree with you that we are a violent species we're unpredictable not everyone there's a lot of good people in the world but you know we're not pandering to those who are offended there are a lot of also nasty the evil people in the world as well too. So I agree with you that some kind of disabling has to be enforced at their end in order to make that connection because you know they're probably protecting themselves. So I agree with you there.

Yes, absolutely. Many of my near-death experienced guests will talk about how on the other side everyone is connected. And that kind of sounds like what you're saying with the grace that they're all connected in some fashion and the whole deal with being in this realm is being separate. Yes. Again, like what you're saying about being contained. So what is really going on down here? What is really going on up, you know, on the other side? And maybe the ETSs are just investigators from the other side.

Yes. Well, I mean, there are um, you know, theories there. And um the other area that I was looking about um looking into sorry was what we are you know we're trying to figure out what they are. First of all we have to look and see what we are um as human beings. And when we go into the past I'm not talking about the religious interpretations of what we see at the moment. We all know that they have been changed doctorred to some degree altered. If we go back into the past the ancient cotices are telling us a different story. And I always wondered why it was that the system we served was at pains to scrub away the past as though you know they just wanted us to believe in a gradual evolutionary um you know progression with our species and I don't think it is that way. So it's interesting how as the human we there is arguments and understanding about what we call the spirit or for one of a better word the soul and that is important because if we look back into anti-vilian cultures and especially the codicists you'll find that it wasn't God although I am absolutely convinced we're all part of some supreme diety that is energy that we're all fragments from but there was a creation process because the simplified version we have that's accepted is oh It's just by magic. Here we have Adam and Eve. Well, that does that just doesn't happen. We know that. So, I believe that my own understanding is it's possible that we were created by another species that is separate from the actual original gods as it were and we were a species that were able to reproduce to replicate and we've been endowed with what we call a spirit.

I agree with you also that you know why does the human always feel as though you know it's being subjugated it's being you know controlled manipulated what forces are behind that so I believe that you know a lot of what the system is telling us is not the truth and I believe that if we do go back into the past will tell us a lot more about our you know origins and where we're from um you know if we were the original inhabitants of this planet through a natural process of selection. protection. Well, we shy from our very own sun. You know, we all know that we don't have enough air on our body to protect us from the harsh elements. It's as though we are not from this planet. Um, so when we look at Darwinianism and, you know, people arguing that we've evolved from the apes, I you know, it could be possible that the the model of the ape had been used, but also infused with some kind of extraterrestrial, you know, DNA that supplemented and thereby created the human, the model of the human. But I agree, you know, we're still trying to work out, you know, why, you know, we're having these problems on this planet and why humans are not getting on with one another. And I think that's got more to do with the system we serving, those at the top who are creating problems and issues with us to make one person turn against the other. Um, I think they're playing us to be honest with you. Those real masters at the top, the nameless places bureaucrats that we don't know about, we haven't seen their faces. I am absolutely convinced of that. Absolutely.

Were we originally seated here as conscious beings or were we seated on some other planet and chose to come here?

That is a very good point and we can only use theoretical um content there. But I have seen the other side on two occasions. Um I nearly drowned when we lived in South Africa and the other side was more I would call it an awakening. Take away the religious ideologies. It was an incredible realization that I knew where I was from. And quite rightfully, Jeff, you know, it could have been another planet. You know, we we talk about the astral planes, the lower planes, the higher planes, or other levels of dimensional awareness. I couldn't tell you, but I don't believe that we are the natural inhabitants of this earth. I think it's possible to assume that the earth was meant to have been the Garden of Eden, an experiment to see how consciousness operated on a singular level in terms of that creation process and something's gone wrong. Or perhaps it's possible to assume that the world has been hijacked and has for a very long time. Uh we're not sure, but you know, when I was over on the other side, and the only way I can explain it to you is that all of this just dissolved. It it didn't make any there was no there was no worry about it anymore. And it's hard to explain in terms of the memories and the feelings that you when you go more into the core of the experience there is more of a recognition on a universal conscious spiritual level. There is no time. Um you felt like you were connected with everything. It was the most incredible feeling and it was very different from the feelings we have here on earth. So in terms of eternity from the very point of our inception as souls and spirits I couldn't tell you. I know that within the ancient codicises um especially within within the gnostic texts if we dare mention that that were hidden and mentioned within the namadi um, you know, the one had created aons known as angels and they had separated within the divinity of that core essence of eternity and they want to experience individuality and then this this went further away and down the line until of course the goddess Sophia then descended even further and created matter and of course what we understand to be the archons known officially as the Anunnaki. So the system will say, "Oh, that's all just mythology that there's no basis for truth in that." But one wonders why it is that the system we're serving is adamant to deny three subjects. And we have to ask ourselves the questions why that is. Creation, UFOs, life after death. What is the big deal here? you know, why why is the system saying to you you can't go down that road you can't go down those roads because that's just all you know basically conspiracy theory and you're like hang on just a minute you know all this system is doing it is is harboring and harvesting humans to work systematically dumbing us down to give a very limited education you toil the soil you pay your taxes you ask no questions and then move towards the grave. So my my awareness of this like yours and many other people is like this is absolutely dumb, right? I mean three questions, three sensible questions that need to be asked and continuously the system fights us all the time and we have to ask ourselves why that is. And my understanding Jeff is that if the real reason came out, it's not just about UFO disclosure and aliens exist as we call them. I think this will open up a can of worms and I think people will stop and say, "Hang on just a minute. We've been lied to, ladies and gentlemen, because it's not just about UFOs or life after death. This is taking us all the way back to the past that the system is trying to cover up." And no wonder they're doing that because, and when we say they, who are they? I'm not talking about the world leaders or those in governance. They're just mere puppets. they're given awards, money and power to follow along with whatever instructions they are getting from those at the top. So I think you know in essence when you're dealing with life after death or UFOs or indeed creation they are there are connections to be made within those subject matters when we draw them together because at the moment they are individualized they're contained and it's hard for researchers to try and find out where this phenomena is coming from and you know how who is behind it how how this is happening but I believe that there's a lot more behind the scenes that we're starting to pull away and strip aside to say, "Hang on just a minute. Just a moment." This is far more fantastic than we can ever believed or dreamt. And it's not all bad. A lot of it is good or meant to have been good. It's just the system and those in governance are trying to pull us down or to hold us in a kind of like a grip. And just to finish off with that, it's interesting, isn't it, how the system says no, no such thing as life after death or the spirit, soul, whatever you want to call it, however you want to interpret that. But the Egyptians, just taking an example here, they knew about the afterlife. And you know, in recent discoveries, the pyramid of Chops was literally a mo um a huge monument to shaft towards the Orion star systems. So the Egyptians knew about the afterlife. They knew about the importance of getting off this planet. And I've got a joke there, even they wanted to get off, you know. So it's interesting when you look at ancient cultures and how the systems tried to dumb them down and say, "Oh, they were just this and they were that." No, they were advanced. They were way ahead of their time. So that's how I'm seeing that.

Yeah, I agree with you that what we are is not perfectly biologically compatible with the planet and I think there's been some tinkering or we were brought here. Do you think the hybridization program and the abductions are getting us ready for the next upgrade and perhaps soon they will release a new type of human among us if they haven't already?

Yes, that is a very good question and it poses several problems. Um we can look at uh certain areas certainly you know most people believe that what's happening is that these lower entities as we call the some people believe them as to be lower entities that they're from the lower astral and they're trying to uh my understanding my idea part of it was that they're trying to slingshot themselves back into a physical body to have an awareness of self if they have um, you know, become corrupted as they go if you know evil souls basically that pass over and then go into the astral and the vestiges of which they lose that spark of divinity. That's one area. The other area I have thought of and it's incredible how people think I have the idea but if you're all connected with other people they have similar ideas as well too because that is telling us that we shared by a conscious intelligence that we're all connected in this you know conscious internet. I have thought about that. Or whether or not the grays are creating some kind of hybrid that is able to survive in another system entirely and that the earth is doomed and it's finished. That is one area. Um, having them here or getting us into an upgrade is interesting and that is possible and because if you look at the human most people will not believe that that is possible that we had gods that engineered us and that we have gone we have gone through this process of evolution and now there is an upgrade. So if you said to people that aliens are now creating new species and most people are accepting of that you know why is it that people deny that from the past? Oh no it couldn't possibly happen. It's just through a natural process of selection. No, I don't believe that. I believe that we were created by what we would call an extraterrestrial species that experimented within the human or a hominid, a worker. As it could be possible as a slave species and not much has changed today, has it chef? I mean, we're still slaves to the system. I mean, people say New York, we are slave modern day slave labor force. I don't care what people say, right? And it's so [Laughter] absolutely there's no one out with a whip, but then if you don't do the work, you don't do it earn the money, you're not going to be able to survive. Um, so yeah, it's very interesting. I believe that they are walking among us and perhaps you wouldn't even know who you're talking to um or where they're from as it were cuz I like you yourself perhaps I've had a few really strange experiences where I'm I'm absolutely convinced I was not talking to a human being although they came across as human I'm like no I'm there's something different about this. So when you said earlier we're living through exciting times it is indeed because it's not all doom and gloom. The system we serve is promoting that. It wants that. It survives by the very nature of disrupting the human spirit of keeping us contained. But people now are waking up. And it it's incredible to know that people are now using their mind. Whereas the system before was saying, "No, no, no, no, no. You can't use your mind in that way because going back in the day, if you were using that mind, you were a witch and will burn you and will drown you and will make you an example to the state and the system. You just keep, you know, pushing along and you know believing what we're telling you but there is now a conscious rebellion and I think the system is losing hold of that and this is why a lot more people are pushing forward saying hang on just a minute we want to ask some serious questions here you can't contain us anymore and I think now the system's coming even stronger to try and douse down that that awakening or that awareness we had one incident didn't we that really brought the whole world down um not so long ago where you know um locked us up and contained us and and that is when the level of consciousness was really shrank. So I always find I'm sure you're aware of this as well too Jeff that when society is beginning to break the mold away from its materialistic idealism. You know there's something the system sends along that pushes us back down again. And I'm sure I'm absolutely convinced that there are darker forces here. There are good forces as well. But those darker forces are running the show at the moment and they're aware of human consciousness and how it works. And it this is why I think I have written about this that um it's possible that they will send in their agents, you know, not all the grays, but they'll send them in to go and check you out. Why are you operating differently? What makes you different? Where do you come from? You've incarnated here. You're part of this world. Where are you really from? What system are you really from? You know, and it's interesting, isn't it, when you look into the the program of the grays that they're looking for something. And I'm convinced that's the spark of divinity. That's something that what makes us what we are that they're a devoid or they don't have. But there must be something else linked in there that that they want that they're trying to find. So that's very interesting.

So yeah, in your book, you the public deceived, you explore the grand UFO deception. What do you think is the most critical part of this deception that people need to understand?

Well, first of all, outlining the Pentagon for instance, I mean, you have some of these individuals who are way above the level of, you know, command and control. And so, we can see a problem because you're in your great country, the Pentagon is supposed to uphold truth and honor. And every single time that they are, you know, approached about disclosure, there was always a wall. Okay. And I think now what's happening is that they are beginning to get running scared because it's possible that those UFOs or what we call non-human entities that are on ice or cryogenic freeze that they have, it's possible. I believe that um are perhaps connected with the private corporate companies so that they don't have any paperwork leading them to the Pentagon. But I think it's important because the phenomena operates on levels that's very different from what we've been sold. I think people will begin to realize that there are multi-dimensions of reality and something also that CERN has been exploring, you know, because most of the time we are just literally lied to continuously, you know, over and over again. And people now are fed up. They're tired of the lies. For instance, near-death experiences, you know, an incredible subject matter, the likes of, you know, Dr. Raymond Moody and going on to even most of the great now. um, you know, that's explored that and yet we get to that point where on the media cartel there is life after death then there isn't it's like they're playing with our minds the same with UFOs here we are they're real look at this and then they'll slap you in the face and say no it's all a load of old rubbish and creation you can forget it because any scholar that starts to interfere with the natural model that the system wants us to believe is the truth then they've had it they'll they'll lose their funding they'll lose their you know titles that's it. But I think now people are fighting back. Um, and that's incredible. But the fundamental part is that and I want to say to your your your viewers, your listeners, your good listeners, you know, they are not fictional. When you have seen them, the last encounter that we had was on the 9th of April, 2016 at precisely 11:15 p.m. at night. Those UFOs have been tracked by the aisles of city. They were huge. They descended. And you're telling me that they are our military or, you know, exotic um technology. Why would the military flaunt it over civilian airspace, you know, and why would they come forward to certain individuals, you know, it just doesn't make any sense. So when you see them when when you're connected with them on that level, it's incredible. It changes everything. So yeah, a lot of people that report them, see them, they are real.

Where is this case that you're talking about? Did you say Sicily?

No. No. They were they were they were clocked coming from the aisles of Silly. And that's across Great Britain because when the encounter happened with us on the 9th of April 2016 and we were coming back from a couple of friends, police friends from a early birthday meal and I was in the car with my brother. My niece and my um sister, her her daughter had driven there separately and it was a cold clear night. We'd left the police friends and we drove driving back from Copel, a small village and I clocked these three objects that I assumed first of all were um foot like football lanterns. I thought there was some kind of work that was occurring. They were huge. And when we got closer towards them, I realized there was no sound and they weren't lanterns. And when I drove up, we got out the car and looking up. This has been this has also um been recorded and documented and analyzed. I have everything absolutely checked out. They were above us and started to descend. Three white huge discs, no markings, and they just hovered there. Huge. They were. And my brother and I were outside the car and looking up at them. And the it was in a triangular formation, but they were separate. and the one to the far left started to move towards the one to the the front of the triangle, stopped, went back, and they positioned themselves in a perfect line space, and they shot off. And I then found out that my niece was trying to contact me on my mobile phone. She had filmed them on her mobile phone before they arrived just to try and tell me, but I didn't answer my phone because they were there already, you know, they were there. They were. And then another researcher, Dave Twin, who's now deceased, approached me and said that they'd clocked them all the way um another part of England. And of course, we started to research it and we found that they the UFOs themselves were crossing Andy Thomas, another author here in England, a researcher, they were crossing the Michael St. Mary and Michael Lelay line. Um Mary St. Michael Lelay line, a lay line across England. What they were looking for, we don't know. So, you know, again, no no answers to that. Um, a mystery to be sure. And I was convinced that that would make the local papers. There was nothing. The next day on the 10th of April, um, there was a helicopter that came over our house, a white helicopter. It wasn't black. There was it was on a marked white helicopter. We came very low and started circling three times round so we could see the pilots and it went off. But when the UFOs were present on that night, when they descended, there was no one walking their dog down the road. I mean, it's a, you know, it's a quiet road, but we have a pub down the road. There was no one. And when you spoke, it was like it just snowed. As though the phenomena itself had some kind of like changed the the atmosphere on some level, you know, holding us in the pocket. There was no time lost. It's incredible.

Is there somewhere where we can watch these videos?

Um, well the video that was taken for my niece um that is they were pictures that she took but on YouTube in the book um I think it was terrestrial trespasses um this one here and in you the public deceived there's mention of that and that's all illustrated and documented in there. Everything you need to find out is in there.

Is it possible that they were personally paying you a visit?

I don't think so. I I just had a feeling no people will argue and say yes and and I'm not one of these people to make out that I'm someone special. We're all special. We're all unique. You know, we we we we all have our own interests, but it just it it seemed very strange that there they were like, well, here we are. And again, we had no answers to anything like why are you doing this? And we didn't expect this. There was no, you know, there was no expectation of it happening, but it was very spectacular. But I had the feeling they were looking for something. I'm not sure what that was or, you know, I just had the feeling they were looking for something, but uh whether or not they found it, we don't know.

Well, I could argue that they were looking for you because you've been abducted before as well as it almost sounds like to me you had an NDE because earlier you mentioned something about drowning.

Yes, that's right. And have an awakening. I mean, is it possible you had an NDE at that point?

Yes, absolutely. I do believe that's the case, although there's no way of categorically proving it. Um, but I am very grounded and very level with with everything. When I crossed over I will say to you that I feel that I had crossed over. There was this place um Jeff and it was incredible and I knew it. It was a world filled with rock. Now I know that most people will say, "Oh, just rock." But when you're there, there is a shock. There was a deeper level of shock because you know this place deep within your soul. It felt to me like home. It was so incredible. It was like a feeling of like I'm home. This is home. And there was this everything was like carved out of rock. It most of it looked very much like Persian, Roman, Egyptian, I suppose, a mixture or combination of those. But it's it was beautiful, but I knew it. I knew where I was from. Um, not the world or but I knew this was home on a deeper level. And I believe what happened is that when we pass over to the other side or the there is the starting of the process, the limited flow of conscious awareness is starting to widen up because you're making that severance. When you fully sever and of course there's a big expansion because you're no longer part of this world. But that doesn't mean to say that doesn't happen when you're in the in the midst of having a near-death experience. It was very incredible. But what I also found as well too that and it's possible yeah that that was responsible for the psychic opening later on in my life. Who knows? I can't answer that question. But I I also still to this day get impressions that images and they are shocking within their symmetry because the images create a language that's hard to explain. It's like wow. I know that the author Cus Lewis, Clyde Staples Lewis of the Inania Chronicles, when I read one of his biographies, it's very interesting to understand that he had these moments of joy, he couldn't explain them. And when I read what his biographer had written, I'm like, "Yes, I believe he was experiencing what many other people experience, which is like this this connection of a higher realm or a higher source or perhaps a higher part of themselves on on, you know, a higher level of reality. But it's incredible and um trying to find the words, it doesn't bother me um because the richness of it when it comes in is is incredible." But then of course you get drawn back into this world, you know. It's like, "Oh, you've got to get on with this. This sucks a little bit, you know."

Yeah. Well, as I mentioned to you earlier, I've made almost 900 indie interviews, and it is very common for people to have the same feeling that you had, which is that they felt like they were home. Very, very common. And um it's less common but many people have told me this as well is that they're in a place that looks like ancient Rome or ancient Greece. It has that some that type of architecture which you are also describing.

Yes. Yes. And there was another place um Jeff that was truly astounding. It's not just when you're explaining it. Um, it it's it fails because the language is not rich. When you have the emotions that company accompany that, it is like wow. It's like an opening and like whoa, like a and one of one of this place had this beautiful piece of architecture like a an archway. And beyond that was a shore. Yes. Water, a sea, and beautiful rocks. And it's like an awakening. It it literally is incredible. But then of course the sadness is you get pulled back here. And when these episodes happen, they're sporadic. They can be even like a second, maybe a fraction of a second, but in that fraction of a second, you've got you've got it all there. The shock of like I know this place. I know it. Oh my god. And then it's like it goes out and you're you're trying to pull back the residue, the imprinting of what you were feeling, which is really really hard to explain. So yeah, and there are there it's not just one of these impressions or the images that you get. There are many many of them that you're trying to put into some kind of coherent order and they won't fit. But um it is an incredible experience. Absolutely. Yeah.

Here's a question I have for you. If you're calling that place home, then what is this place exactly? And we are still trying to work out why we would incarnate on this planet. And I've always joked to many people, I say to them, when I get back over there, I'm going to get a refund and please don't send me back to what on earth was that all about. We don't know. And we hear a lot of theories from people telling us that our souls are trapped and there's people that disagree with that and people that agree with that. Um, so my my understanding is is it possible that we are creating you know memories experiences that are fed back into the pool of the the one the ultimate conscious entity that rather like making a film I suppose you know and then we we're here making it and then of course on the other side we're living it we don't know but the reality is there is a dark force here and you know I'm we have to bypass the love and light when We're dealing with earth because it's a very difficult harsh system to exist in. And this is the question, why are we here? Why are we going through what we're going through? And a lot of people that have gone through an awakening ask themselves the same thing. They feel homesick. I don't. I've never felt like I belong here. The question is, do I have the answers as to why I'm here? No, I don't. And that's something I've been looking for. That's something I've been seeking like many other people. Okay. You have your ideas. You have other people that have suggestions. Absolutely fine. No problem with that. But the truth of the matter is that this system we serve does not want us to remember who and what we are. And that's telling you something, isn't it? It's like, yeah, they must know a lot more about what's going on or those behind it. Um, but it doesn't make us captives. It doesn't make us prisoners because on a spiritual level, we are free. We're able to return back. And it's possible that you, I, and many, many, many other good um souls have chosen to come here through certain timelines to go through this drama, this war. I mean, when you look at the films, um, every film, there's the the baddies and the goodies, and that changes us the way that they, you know, interact with one another. Most people like the goodies, most people love the baddies, but it's all safe safe grounds because no one's going to really get hurt at the end of the day. And you know it lifts us to different levels sometimes. So whether or not there is a drama or something that's being played out on a universal level here for us to understand empathy, love, creativity, these things that are really are nurtured within the spirit against those opposing forces of evil, destruction, hatred, you know. So we're seeing a kind of balance, I think. So maybe it wouldn't f us very well if we were happy as clams every 5 minutes of the day. I don't know. I mean, you probably know just as much as I do, Jeff, in that department.

Do you think the majority of the ETs out there are in our realm, our reality, but just cloaked off planet or are most of them in a complete different dimension than where we're at?

I think all I think uh a majority of them could be here. There is suggestion of the uh ocean uh deep underground. Why not? I It's a perfect camouflage. Those that are, you know, what we call physically integrating with us. I think there are other dimensions of reality rather like the astral plains the other side. There are varied levels as we understand it. It is eternal. It goes on and on and on. We're trying to categorize into a very small, you know, percentage. Oh, lower astral, middle, higher. We just have no idea. So, I think what we're dealing with is a a mult multural multicultural, sorry, I said that again. a multicultural connection of intelligences that are connecting with us and on multiple levels as well. So that's why it's hard for us to distinguish who and what we're dealing with in terms of the Sasquatch, in terms of the Dogman, in terms of gay aliens, the tall whites, the Nordits, you go on. It goes on. Yeah. So I believe what's happening is that we hear a lot about the Galactic Federation. And years and years ago, and I'm being very honest, if anyone's shocked, I I used to think, oh, you know, what a load of old rubbish. But we all go through a process of transmutation. And you know when you start looking beyond the physical nature of what we led to believe in terms of eupfology, we're seeing that's very different now. And we're changing, we're morphing. So you know if there's another side, which there is, and the spirit transgresses beyond this material level of reality, then oh my god, there could be any number of other dimensions out there that are connecting with us or linking with certain people. Because the other thing we've got to see here is that too many people are trying to squeeze this in one box. This is how it is, Jeff. This is what I want you to believe. It is no because it's an individual experience. It's unique to you, to your spirit, to your consciousness, to your awareness. It will appear different because the energy, the dimensional shifts or whatever it is coming through is connecting with you on your personal level. So this is why you know one person's experience is very different from someone else's but we are able to correlate that something's happening within patterns and we can see that within near-death experience research and also within what we call alien abduction research.

So you see it's quite interesting there with the increased number of sightings as well as whistleblowers. Do you feel that disclosure is going to happen soon?

Well, let's just put it this way. Something's going to happen. I think you know what we're seeing now is more of the general public accepting and this is very interesting. A lot more people are open to the concept of life after death. A lot more people are open to UFOs. I suffered and I don't want to you know anyone to feel sorry for me but back in 1989 there was no one really you could go to. I did belong to UFO group. They were very rare then here in England. And you know I've never at all offered to go on television. I've had the invites and I was naive and assumed that the media cartel were understanding. No, not them. It was horrible. But attitudes have changed now. And I think people are stopping and they're saying, "Hang on just a minute. Just a moment."

You know, steady the buffs. There's something to this because they keep drumming into us. It doesn't exist. You're just eluded. It's conspiracy theory. You're a liar. You're this. You're that. And yet there they are and they're being recorded on films, you know. Uh, you know, radar, that's the old way of where they used to see them. And a lot more people are coming forward, so I believe that something is going to happen. And I think these powers that be are feeling that force from the general public. But again, we're not sure of their motivations. Why it is every single time we try and push and push, whatever it is, they will push back harder with something else. But eventually, something is going to break. There's going to be a rip, a tear, as we call it. And they're going to have to say, "Do you know what? I'm sorry, ladies and gentlemen. There are UFOs. There is life after death. And by the way, about your genesis, you're not going to believe what we're going to tell you here." And people will be like, "Oh my lord." And people say, "Well, we can't tell people because of their religious upbringing, because of their centralized belief system." You know what? You have Christians. You have, you have all these different people. They're, they're integrated in their own structured belief system to what they believe is right and, you know, holy and all that. So, and they're still all together. So I believe that it's not going to be much of a shock. I think the shock will be that most people, good people, will not be able to understand exactly how this phenomena is getting to us. And this will then further cause disruptions within the media and people saying, "Hang on a minute, you lied. You said that they were coming from another planet. You said there's nothing out there and now, now you're telling us this is interdimensional and they're able to connect with us on a conscious level. Hang on. What about consciousness? This then leads us into life after death. You've lied to us about that." You know, so, so can you see this knock-on effect, domino effect that will, that will occur? Because just one subject out of those three, if it is known to be the truth, we know it's true. But to, to all the public, that is going to change absolutely everything.

Do you have a timeline for this? And if so, what does a post-disclosure world look like to you?

Well, I think in a, I, I don't feel it's going to happen just yet, Jeff. I think that perhaps it may happen after I've passed, long after I've passed. It could be sooner. I hope it is sooner. I really do. I couldn't answer that. You know, as a psychic medium, people say you should know what within the field of potentiality. We're not sure, you know, because people say, "I want the future." Well, here it is and it's gone. Here it is and it's gone. It's within a, a state of, you know, possibility, potentiality. And minds send into their into the field and then, of course, that creates our future. But I believe what will happen is that people will drop everything. They literally will awaken to this modern-day slave labor force. Their existence of just being a human, of existing, of, uh, going back to what we said earlier, not asking any questions, being contained within your conscious awareness, toiling that soil, working until you drop until you're dead. And people are like, "Hang on just a minute. What am I about? What, what am I? Where do I come from? What is, what is the meaning to me?" And when disclosure comes, it's like people will say, "Wow, you know, this is senseless. This work, this slavery is senseless. Let's all help as a species to the betterment of our kind." You know, think of it. Some people do jobs they don't want to do. And a lot of people are, their lives are wasted because the goodness that they harbor is not being invested within the system. Okay? There's a lot of people that don't want to work, won't work. But think of the minds, the people that could bring so much change about this planet, working together, taking money out of the equation. You know, people say you can't exist without money. Sure, you can. You know, there's enough on the planet for everyone if we were to work together as a team and work, you know, to bring betterment to our species. I think it will change everything. People will start to talk about life after death openly. They'll try and work on new technology to try and contact those on the other side on a, on a, you know, more advanced level of interaction, you know, calling occupants. I've got to use the famous Karen Carpenter's beautiful singers line there. Yes. Um, you know, that that can happen. C5 initiatives. So I think it's going to change everything. But at the moment, the darkness is still in charge.

As a psychic medium, I'm assuming that you're connecting with other beings on the other side.

No, only those that have crossed over.

That's interesting. Not once have I ever linked with an alien. Um, I'm a survival evidence medium. Is does that mean that I've, you know, centralized and, you know, programmed myself to connect only with human beings? I don't know. But I haven't had any communication from ETs. But there again, as I've argued before, you know, we are not human. Although the spirit will take on the human form, the blueprint of that which is created, it does not mean that we are human. So we are universal. We're connected to a higher form of consciousness. It's possible that in our lives that we have lived as what we call aliens, you know, um, and I believe that most definitely. So we see it as very humanized, very, very humanized, and this is where locked into this material reality as human. So anything beyond that is like, no, no, there can't be anything more. But there is. There's a hell of a lot more. But no, in answer to your question, I haven't known.

Well, when you're connecting with humans on the other side, is it spontaneous or do you have to do some sort of practice to be able to do that?

No, I, I spent a long, many, many long years trying to understand this honor communication. I did not want to be a medium, but the question did and was always there, did present itself to me. And that all occurred when my maternal grandmother passed over to the other side. Um, you know, she was hundreds of miles away and she had spoken to me in my head. And then, of course, was asking me why I was crying when I woke up in the early hours of the morning because I knew something had happened. And she communicated to me. And I went to go and see a medium then who used to work on cold case files with the FBI. And, um, and of course, she then read for me. And I went into training for a long time to understand this kind of communication through mental, uh, connection and visual processing. So they don't talk. So they no longer have the lens. So we had to learn how to translate imagery and sensations, emotions in terms of a language to create context. So, I'm very much an evidence-based medium. I never feed. I just ask for yes or no to confirm or deny what's coming through. And, um, you know, and that's how I've always worked. So, I am kind of not strict, but, you know, I'm not so open with it like most people, you understand? But it's interesting. And that also concluded to me, wow, you know, there is life after death after all. Not just UFOs, but life after death. And that's why I was steered within that area of research, 'cause I'm like, well, I must be deluded because the system says there's no such thing. And I'm like, hang on just a minute. And then you find lots of other many other good people out in the world who have had more or less the same experiences. Do you? So, I'm by no means unique.

Do you think that if you trained, you could contact ETs on the other side?

Yes, we proved that again in the book Sky Crash Throughout Time that I wrote with Brenda Butler. That's all to do with Rendlesham. I did a, I did research there for 10 years. That book was published by Capable Publishing in 2013 and then reprinted by Philip Mantle, which is a ufologist, years later. We did a C5 initiative, um, on the 8th of June 1998, and that was at 10:15 p.m. at night. Before that, we did a psychic experiment here in Bedford before we went to Suffolk, about a two-hour drive, calling them. And I got the idea from Karen Carpenter's song, "Calling Occupants." And I thought, is that possible? And we were presented with a huge pyramid-shaped object with a gap and a circular undercarriage over some trees that was lit. It was huge. It wasn't like far away in the sky. And that proved to me that, you know, the human mind is able to connect with these other intelligences. I think that it's possible to to consider whether or not when you're sending thoughts out, this phenomena is aware of those thoughts. I don't believe that we're generating, generating it, manufacturing the product of our mind. I think that the phenomena is aware of us, very, very much. But again, you know, there was no, nothing given in terms of answers. But it did prove to me that C5 initiative can be achieved. So, yes, the mind is the creator, the mind is the builder. The brain is merely the transmitter receiver, rather like the mobile phone system that we have. You know, we all know, you know, that's the translator. That's all it is. The, the real part of that is the, um, signal and a little bit of energy that it needs to keep it moving, rather like us. And energy cannot be destroyed. So if your mobile phone dies, you can suck all that information up the new device and there you've got it. So it's interesting, isn't it?

Yeah, absolutely. Or you can train yourself to do that.

Most definitely.

Besides the case that we spoke of earlier where you saw the discs over your house and your, oh yes, your niece took pictures of them, are there any other compelling pieces of evidence related to UFOs that basically will verify that this whole phenomena is real?

Um, in, in general, um, no. I think whatever you bring to the table, there's always going to be some form of debate. And it's funny, isn't it, that every time that pictures are taken, films are taken, it's not enough. It never is enough. What is it that people want? If you know, it's interesting that people believe what's on the news every single day. They believe everything that's that's transmitted on the news. You know, "Oh yes, that's happened." They, they're not there. They're not in those situations. And yet, when someone takes a picture or images of UFOs, it's like, no, can't see it. Doesn't exist. And I think a large part of that is again through conscious dissidence where some researchers don't want to see it. When the reality comes, they want to carry on with their structured belief systems of how they see it, you understand? So the phenomena is, you know, very rare. I mean, in terms of photographic equipment, and I think this tells us a lot about the phenomena itself. It's very quick and it's very fast and it's very clever. It'll just give us enough, but not enough for us to confirm its reality. And this is questionable as well, why that's not happening. So, you know, if you're going to say to someone, "Look, I've got a picture here of some orbs. They've been analyzed. They're huge. We don't know what they are." They'll be like, "No, doesn't exist. Don't want to see it." You know, that's the way that the the world is operating at the moment. So, this is another challenge that we're having when people are talking about disclosure. I think disclosure will have to happen on a monumental level in terms of those news media outlets and, you know, really just saying, "Ladies and gentlemen, it's real." You know, and even then you'll get people saying, "Oh, it's a fast." Side in. But you know, so I think what's happened throughout the epochs is that the media haven't helped the situation. They have programmed the public into the belief it's all a load of rubbish. And now they're going to turn around and say it's real. Who are they going to believe? You know, there's no sense of balance anymore within this world. It's all propaganda. Um, you know, one opinion against another. So it's going to be very, very hard unless, of course, Jeff, the phenomena itself beams its reality into the head of every single individual on this planet, you know, wakes up like cuts that connection of limited conscious programming and it says, "Whoa, you will remember now." And it's like, "Yes, but I don't know how that's going to pan out."

Do you stay current in UFO news?

Most of the time, yes. I'm working on a new UFO book. Um, um, may I say, I've just released a new book called, uh, The Eternal Avatar. Discovering who and what you really are beyond the material realm. And I co-authored that with Chris John Maize and Joshua Kutchin wrote the forward. That deals with the, the spirit and the war and of course ancient deities. And I'm working on a new UFO book now. So I tried to keep up to date with, uh, the news with ufology, but there's so much of it. And of course, if you get involved in it, you know, people have their differences of opinion. So I try to keep and steer away from that because I don't want to upset anyone. We're all entitled to our belief, structured belief systems to how we see it. So, but I, I try to keep up. Yes.

I was wondering if you saw how Ross Coulthart recently said that the Tic Tac is tech, not real, basically. And if so, what are your thoughts on that?

Well, I was very honored to have had a few emails from Ross. I contacted him a while back. Um, I'm not sure that we will be able to answer that question unless we actually have the product. It would be absolutely amazing. There would be nothing better than to be in a hangar and for us to actually touch and feel the technology, if that's what it is, and see the bodies on cryogenic freeze. I'm sure they have some somewhere. But I believe that, you know, I, I don't subscribe to the fact that this is our technology. I mean, here we go again. Like, oh, an advanced race of humans or humanity's been kept apart from, you know, those others that have got the real magic and left us with the play toys. No, I don't subscribe to that. I think we, we go round in a wheel over and over again, time and time again. It's, it's really quite soul-destroying. Um, and he's entitled to his opinion, but unless we are there, unless we can touch it, we can feel it, we can see it, there's no way of ascertaining that fact. So it is all down to theoretical content at the end of the day. I believe it's possible that this force, this phenomena, as it comes into our reality, uh, self-replicates itself in order to lower its vibrational frequency as it enters the Earth plane. And this is, may explain, as I've argued, why in a lot of cases, so we understand, if it's to be believed, that when UFO hardware is being analyzed, a lot of it is kind of like normal material, but there's something, there's a spark of something else in there, which is interesting. And I believe it's possible that a lot of the, uh, phenomena of dogman and Sasquatch also operate in the same way, where they have to build or construct themselves into this reality on some level. So rather like us wearing a spacesuit or, you know, deep-sea diving equipment going under the, under the ocean. I suppose it's a bit like that.

With so much CGI and Photoshop being used, how do you navigate all the different footage out there and decide what's authentic and what's not?

It is a nightmare. And in fact, it's really hard to differentiate one case from another. And, and I must admit, you will know this as well, too. It's a headache. I don't know why people do this. Um, I've got no idea for hits. For, you know, this is, this is the really nasty part with anything in life, not just ufology or, you know, people claiming this, that, or the other. It's, it's soul-destroying because what we want is the truth. That's all we're after. And yet continuously, there will be people who would fake it. You know, I've seen even documentaries with, you know, supposed dogman accounts, um, you know, that they pictured and, and scenes of them, you know. So I think that some people have got some original footage. Um, I believe that that is possible, but a lot of it is CGI. It's just to get the money and the hits and all the rest of it. So I think another mess. It's the same with AI now. People, "Oh, it's AI generating this. It's AI doing this and it's tricking us." You know, where do we draw that line? You know, what we are after is the raw truth of the phenomena. And let me tell you, when you are in the presence of it, again, it's like will-o'-the-wisp. It's like, here it is and now it's gone. You've got nothing, absolutely hardly anything at all to prove your case. But I think the good thing is that when it does happen to you on a deeper level, it changes you. And that, I think, is what part of the phenomena is. It, it's meant to activate you. So I think all of our attention being focused around the world about trying to make this and that fit and seeing the truth. I think that's within you. I think that it's your journey to feel and change you as you are currently and moving you on your spiritual path going forward. I think that's what it's about.

What do you think about the bugger spear? Sorry, Jeff. Uh, I don't know if you, if I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing it properly. The bugosphere. The bugosphere. Do you know what I'm talking about? That they found in South America?

Oh, they, the, Oh, right. Okay. Yes. I'm not sure. I, I, Now, you have pronounced it right. I had to think, Jeff, I'm not sure. I mean, it's the same with, um, a lot of artifacts that are discovered under the ocean. Um, you know, there was one of them, wasn't it? Rather like the, um, Han Solo Millennium Falcon under the water. And people like, "This is a UFO." It's possible it could be possible fossilized, and we, we just don't know. But again, evidence, and, and it's very, very lacking in this department. Um, and I think that those genuine cases of UFO crashes, you know, the military do have a cover program to go in and get it and take it out, um, very quickly. So, you know, Roswell was a bit of a mess. I do believe something happened there and they got that right soon afterwards. So I think any other crashes, and interestingly, how these crashes happen in remote regions and not so much in, uh, populated areas. Makes you wonder, doesn't it? Uh, the intelligence behind it, what they're trying to do, what they're giving or subtly giving to the, uh, military establishment.

We, we don't know if a person's in a remote area, do you think they're more likely to have some sort of contact?

Oh, a good question. Yes, absolutely. Because in built-up areas, and you must have read my mind because this is also in Terrestrial Trespasses, the book, and a further investigation in the next one. Certain geographical locations are not tainted by mass human consciousness. I believe that's why when you have built-up areas, not much of anything really happens. But with these remote geographical regions, it's interesting that the land is sacred. And remember that, you know, belief shapes reality. We see that within Skinwalker. We all know about that case and what happened there. And whether or not people that go into these remote regions trigger something within the nest or the hive of that activity or the portal, and then all of a sudden these things manifest, you know. So, so I do believe that this is why we see an increase in unusual activity, areas of high strangeness within these remote geographical locations, most notably the national parks. We're not going down that area because there's a lot of, uh, things that happen there that are not good. So, you know, yes, absolutely. This is why I think it's all to do with human consciousness as well, that contaminates a certain area. It's rather like trampling over it and destroying it and then canceling it out. So, you know, and this system wants to do that, right? It wants to get away, get away, do away with all of these areas that are beautiful and are home to these, you know, these, uh, appearances of UFOs and other strange paranormal activity.

What about lay lines or any energy hotspots like Sedona?

Yes, the mind. Again, it's the imprinting of the mind. I think we have a large part to play in that. Um, lay lines are prayer lines. They were also known as dragon lines going back, rather like the meridian lines in the human body. Um, it's energy. It's the flow of energy, the richness of that energy. And of course, what happened was that churches, most of them were built on these lay lines, weren't they? Especially here in England. And the stones are erected in the corners of the the church when people sang would send the vibrations into the ground. So it's, it's interesting that a lot of this, um, knowledge or what we would then call GIA or going in, going back into the age where our ancestors knew about energy, about prayer, about, um, you know, reality, these other alternative worlds that the system that we serve is trying to cancel it, cancel all out. So it's been there for a very, very long time, not just here in England, but also in the United States of America, many other countries around the world. Um, and this is a testament to also the incredible architecture and, uh, construction of metropolises that are astounding.

How do you respond to the skeptics out there that would say that lay lines and Sedona and the whole UFO phenomena is a bunch of nonsense?

Well, I would quite happily shake their hand just to please them and say, "Yes, you're right. It's a load of rubbish." Then go and collect your Oscar for best actor or actress afterwards. At the end of the day, I'm tired of it. You know, people say, "I want proof." We had one gentleman, um, on that contacted me saying, "I want proof. I want dates. I want this." And I said, "Look, whatever I bring to the table will never be enough to convince you. And I'm not here to convince you of anything. I'm not here to convince myself. When you have an experience, it changes you." People want proof. Proof. Proof. Well, where is the proof? Where is the proof of the spirit in, in terms of what we are? You know, there's enough evidence to suggest that consciousness survives this physical reality through near-death experience reports. People report things that they couldn't possibly know. Oh, it's all just in the imagination, as though the imagination is a little box in the the brain that opens up now and again. Imagination is mind. Mind is everything. Mind is creation. And we're all part of that. So, when people say to me, "I don't believe," I'm like, "Okay, that's fine. I don't, I, I'm not going to argue with them because you won't win either way."

Well, if people want to find out more about what you're up to, what is your website?

There are two of them. Yes. The main one is www.thekinsellatwins.com. Um, that is linked with our books and my brother's artwork and all other information. And the other one is www.philipkinsella.com. That's the psychic part. Yeah.

Do you have anything else that you're working on that you want people to know about?

Yeah, I'm working on a new book. I, I've just finished some articles for some major magazines here to promote The Eternal Avatar, which is the new book. Very proud of that book. And that's been released, just been released. And, um, and the new book that I'm working on is, uh, interesting. I can't give the title away yet. Um, but that is that will be a deeper look into consciousness and also geographical locations and the UFO phenomena. People say to me, you cannot make the connection between one and the other. But there are connections to be made. The problem is they've all been separated, segregated to their own little boxes. And this is why we're finding it a problem. I mean, they're different within their realities. Of course, there are connections to be made. And I think that may open up the door for many people, um, to tap into their inherent greatness, into the majestic force that they really are, that they represent beyond the material level, because life is tough. We get up, we have people out there in the world, and it's hard. Um, you know, we're trying to get through, and it's just an ugly scene out there. Um, but I've always wanted people to promote within themselves their great, their greatness, their magnificence, and there is much more. So, life and death is not the beginning and not the end. There is more to it than that. Trust me on that. We're all part of that.

What are your thoughts on AI and how that will relate to the UFO phenomena?

Well, Jeff, we have another problem. It could be used as the most magnificent instrument if used correctly. But as you and I know, every single time with technology, it is always abused and controlled. So, there are two sides to that, as well as there are to humans. So, I just want AI to kick butt for these bad guys, you know, release all the information to the public. That would be so cool. Um, and, you know, using your imagination a little bit more, you know, AI constructs itself into its own mechanism, and it's like, yeah, it's for the people, but I don't think that's going to happen sometime anytime soon. I think, you know, um, AI is fantastic, but also poses a big problem.

Philip, before we wrap it up, can you leave us with a last positive message?

Yes, my last message to everyone is, if you're going through your awakening, you're not alone. Believe in yourself and believe that there is so much more to you than what you have been told. If you want to succeed in something, believe in yourself against all opposition. You know, you can do it. There is no such word as cannot, because cannot only exists within the dictionary for fools. So, you are your greatest power you can ever be. And believe in that. That is the biggest thing ever. Belief, and that shapes reality.

Philip, thank you for your message and thank you for being my guest.

Thank you very much, Jeff, for having me on your amazing show. I'm very honored indeed. Thank you.

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