Dialogues: Yirah HaAri

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>> Yes. And we have audio. So, hello. Hello. Wow. How awesome is this? I'm happy about this. So, it is Sunday and I'm speaking with Yaha Ali. Now, a quick uh a quick intro here. I wasn't and one of then and I uh saw a few of Gila's videos and that whole thing and I wanted to do something with you then it didn't pan out and then two and a half weeks ago uh you were in my dream and I woke up and I fell asleep and I was back in that same dream and I was like, "Okay, if it almost never happens that I fall asleep, wake up and go back into the same dream." And so I need to reach out once again and if it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't. But I'm very happy to have you here on the channel. It's uh it's Oh, it's an honor. It's great. I think that we'll have a nice dialogue here.

Um, now I I listened to an interview you gave years ago on someone else's channel and but you know what? I'm not going to go with that. Forget that. I I I want to talk, you know, the name first of all, could you talk about the origin of the name a little bit?

Yes. So, um, if you've seen my my channel, I've had a couple of um like hecko type experiences and uh I've talked about them in brief in certain videos and that was the name that I was called when I was in the in fact. [snorts] So the first the first instance that I had was that I was awoken from my sleep uh by basically a voice that came [clears throat] above my thoughts. So I could hear my thoughts but it was a voice above my thought that told me to write down braces basically Genesis 1:1. at the time, although later on I would find out that I have very very deep Jewish roots and uh but at the time um you know I was raised relatively secular and away from all with Torah and the boys basically write down the very first verse of Genesis. So that's exactly what I did. And at the time I letters or anything like that. And so when I wrote them down, it wasn't the most chicken possibly you could ever imagine. And uh and as I wrote them, um images like um diagrams began to flood my consciousness and I began to see what it was that I was writing. And so so shortly after this, you know, obviously I'm like, "Okay, am I crazy or what's going on here?" So I would actually uh two PhDs in and uh studies, rest in peace to both of these people. But um named Paul Clark and um when I went to them and I told them exactly showed them what I was shown because I began to write this stuff down. I showed them what I was shown and what they had to say for me was more crazy than what I believed happened to me. Right. Uh first one the first one was he told me so the voice that identified itself said that it its name was Ishmael and so the first uh uh person that I went to he believed that it was Ishmael the son of Ara. But >> another person said, "No, this is that wasn't Ishmael, the son of Abraham. It was Ishmael going that uh Ishmael, the high priest that was alive 2,000 years ago." So >> yeah, I going to do it all. >> Yeah. So I I showed them I showed them what I was um uh shown and they said this this could not have come from this could not have come from um some strange place. So they believed that one opinion was that it was Ishmael patriarch and the other was that it was Ishmael Kong Gadal. And the one who said it was a patriarch said that later on he would graft in. And the second one believed that it was um Ishmael Khan Gdall. The same one that went up in the book of Enoch. I would read that later. And um so wait that that's when that's when came in. And when did join that? because I don't recall I don't recall when that I don't think you spoke of that in the interview that I was listening to anyway when did become part of that.

>> Yeah. So they so it it would call me by the name and at the time even then I wasn't aware of what exactly that meant. So, fast forward, I would spend some time um in a desert basically. I pretty much alienated myself off from society and I went off into a desert and um I was in a midst of the trees. I don't want to say the exact location, but this this place where these trees are, there's only two places in the world really where they exist and that's in Israel and this particular place I was at. So I would be there for a number of months and I began to write down um these things and I would and I at this time when I'm talking about I'm out in the desert I'm like literally sleeping in the desert and um that means like no home, no nothing, just in the desert >> and and there were camel spiders, scorpions, spiders, all kinds of things like you had to really be careful careful how you slept, not wise to sleep on the ground, so on and so forth. Um, so [laughter] while I was out there, um, I would fall asleep and I would have another experience and I woke up in a field under moonlight surrounded by fields of green grass and there was a massive cloud of darkness that was before me. And I heard a voice from the midst of the darkness. And eyes began to open out of that cloud of darkness. And I fell on my face like a like a like a dead person. And I my lips had touched the the dust of the ground. And I had said this is the fear of God. Now at the time in the dream when I said this is the fear of God obviously I was unaware of the fact means fear and I the voice would would speak from that that cloud um with all those eyes and the reason why I couldn't look at it is because I felt like my my consciousness would literally break like my brain could not process what it was I was looking at could not really look at it but a voice spoke from the midst of that and it showed showed me incredible heckalot like uh I use the teralot now because that's really what it was. um many angelic palaces and many secrets that you know [laughter] a mouth struggles to even utter about and um and it was there that I received the name and I was told >> go go reveal these things go reveal these things and so that's what I

>> And it's on this so okay so on the point of revelation because you know there's the kabala the intellectual kabala and there's Kabala, which is the practical cababala. And for many, many many years uh the people of Israel were instructed to more or less keep it intellectual. And the use of the cabala in the practical sense of was discouraged. Not forbidden per se, but definitely discouraged. And it's been said that the that the really deep secrets are still ones that have not been written down, still passed on from master to apprentice, from rabbi to pupil, and so on. And from what I've gathered, part of your mission, if you will, part of what you're trying to do is bring all of it out in the open. Reveal all the secrets. Now I don't know if it's things you are revealing which you consider to be brand new coming through you or things which uh are since I'm not a cobalist I am a student of the tree of life but I'm no cobalist and the question is where do you see that line let's say between that which ought to be revealed and that which ought not is there anything that should not be revealed in our days

>> Yeah, so I'm so thank you for saying that you're not a cobblerisher student of the of life because uh they the sages say that a sage is preferred over a prophet and from a Jewish perspective when someone says they're coal it's basically like saying you can make um yesesh or something like that and uh we're told that there's actually a school of prophecy during the time of which tells us that there is a linear uh pathway to obtaining the prophetic states and there are some safers tic safhers >> that that describe some of these techniques that are attributed to some of these these nave. So um I so to continue on a little bit forward uh from that and kind of get and this will answer your question. um the things that I was revealed there were objectively true and as a result of them being objectively true um they encompassed and surmounted my own doubts or fear I should say of you know am I mishuga am I crazy person I mad man whatever but my eyes would not lie to me and the objective [snorts] reality of what those truths were uh could not be denied. Even my own fear could not surmount over it. And so >> I would set out to begin to um understand the the root and nature of these things. And I began to investigate, you know, like what's going on here? What what is the nature of these letters? So on and so forth. And along that journey, I would discover some very fascinating things about my family history. And I I I may have talked a little bit about this, but um I found that my my uh greatg grandmother had fled Italy and that that one half of my family are still Orthodox, ultraorththodox to this day. Uh they still remain ultraorththodox in Florida, but they fled Italy because apparently um there was a huge persecution of Jews that were in there that was going on in Italy at the time. and she came here and she ended up raising my grandmother um basically concealing her Jewish identity and raising her up as an American, sent her off to like a Catholic woman's girl school and all kinds of things like that to try and um fit her into American society and my grandmother ended up rejecting that. Um so she became more spiritual nonetheless later in life and so she raised my mother to be basically an American. But I would find out about this this uh strange Jewish history. And I began to do some more research on it and I would find that um one of my ancestors they just referred to him as Maestro or Maestro literally meaning master [snorts] and um and it was I felt that was bizarre because my family was writing about their own ancestor with such um language which didn't seem to make any sense to me. But nonetheless, I would find out uh shortly thereafter by doing some deep diving that um that my grandmother had had told my mother a very bizarre situation. Now keep in mind my family's not on that side is not religious, but my grandmother had told my mother before she passed away. She died of cancer in 1999. and she told my mother that there was a legend in our family that our lineage had went back to Marin Magdala. Now I was not raised religious either and I don't even though during the tenure of my travels I've um had friends and met many people that were Christian. I myself am not a Christian, nor have I ever been a Christian. But nonetheless, I didn't really know who Mary Magdala was. So, I did some research on that whole end, and that took me down a whole rabbit hole. But um at at first, I I thought it was the easiest thing to um to disprove. So, I actually set out trying to disprove this matter. Um, and then I did some research and I looked up the Jews in Sicily because that's where my family had held from, Sicily, just to find out that it plausibly could have been true. And the reason why is because I apparently after the destruction of the second temple, they took the Jews um the Romans took them to Sicily basically as uh you know, PS, prisoners of war because Sicily was a slave island. and then to find out that there's this entrenched ancient Jewish lineage there in Sicily. Um, you know the number of of rebanon that have gone there is staggering. >> Everyone from Kim Datal to to Mosha's um Sucato and many others would find themselves Sicily at some point. >> And so this is where my family had hailed from which led credence to what she had said in the first place which was very bizarre because my grandmother again was irreligious. Um, but go but to to go back to your question as to to what's going on right now or what do I believe? So the zor uh tells us that kabalamasi indeed was lost but it tells us that these secrets will be restored in the future and that we'll actually end up uh uh praising the holy one blessed be he through the secrets of kalam masid. Now obviously Vital and many others tell us that every prophet used Kabala Masi. This is well known that every single >> prophet he had used Kabal Masi but it was forbidden and they say because of the ashes of the red heer weren't there and then there are many other things the secrets have been lost. >> They weren't written down so on and so forth. Um, and so on that end um Tik Zohar tells us something very staggering when talking about um basically magic where it says there's no divination found in yakov so on and so forth tells us something very strange. It tells us that um not for us to practice it but it tells us for us to know it and teach it which is very strange uh thing for Tikun to say for us to understand the magical systems and to teach about the magical systems which seems very antithetical and it's very drawing the line onto where it says there's no divination found in Yakos so on and so forth where it says is but you will not practice it but you will you will know about it and to teach it. So regarding Kbala Masi it's very hard to find any authoritative texts about that and most of them are in manuscripts. If you're lucky you can find a faximile so on and so forth. [clears throat] >> No nothing published in the real nothing published I should say on the printing press is real cabala masi. the real cabal. You may be able to find faximiles. >> So a faximile is basically like a reproduction of a manuscript >> um which I've been blessed to have. So I have a couple of faximiles that are definitely dealing with cabal masit. Uh one of them is attributed apparently to either the balsham to or to a student of the balsham to at least that's the purported um yas behind it. And another one is um uh reported to have been held by one of the chief rabbis of London who wrote a a safer called and ma um the keys of Solomon basically. But many scholars argue that this keys of Solomon um was a copy of another text just translated into Hebrew because there are certain words that are translated in Hebrew but if you can read it don't uh they're not they don't originate in Hebrew right so obviously tetra grammaton in Hebrew letters and when that's kind of a Greek thing however the the problem with scholars on that end I is that the um is that the rest of the text retains no likeness to any other copy of the keys of Solomon. Right? So when you actually see the seals and you actually see the magical um the and everything that's inside of it, it does not match up to any other copy of uh of the keys of Solomon. So then the question therein is is this just a oneoff unique and then how did that come to be and then why would this chief rabbi of London have this text which he did not publicize his son actually ended up finding it so on and so forth. So I I began to study on on many different points on that in Kabalamas and um and obviously I have many of the keys ali when I say the term keys or tikun I guess would be the the theological reasonings components behind its its workings which some of it would beounded in the luranic cabala some of it would be expounded by um other unique safers like Lik Maharan on uh obviously Ralph Nman of Brelov gives a couple of keys there that explain processes and stuff but um so I I I have I do have a couple of safers that deal with Cabala Masi but I don't teach so therefore you know when it comes into like on my channel I may have one or two videos on Kabala Masita which is kind of a theorgic text which was they say it was attributed to part of the Zohar and other and I have a few other safers that I may have cited there like um aim and I may talk about certain magical squares that were drive angelic seals um and these things of course have have clear lineages you know when it comes to magical squares they some people talk about um they quote you know obvious obviously Cornelius agria's cult philosophy but they forget that that in a cult philosophy, those magical squares are actually in Hebrew, right? So he he posites them in English, but he also posits them in Hebrew, which tells us that it's origin and source came from a Hebrew manuscript. This is this a cult philosophy by Cornelius Agria. So um >> I don't know it. >> It it it's a it's a western it's a it's a western saber. I haven't personally read it. Um, and I don't have a copy of it, but I do meet many western esotericists or I should say like western cultists for lack of better terms, >> that talk an a great deal about it, especially with the magic square so on and so forth. But those things came from um, you know, ancient um, uh, Jewish traditions that go back in time, you know, apparently to Elu Anabi. So aim which is a very esoteric text which is purported to have been written or passed down to the of it was originally in manuscript form. They did make a copy of it that has the English I mean not the English there's no English version of it the Hebrew um kind of modern >> Yeah. Yeah. Right. Um, they do they do have a Hebrew version of it. It's it's very difficult to get your hands on, but um, and they do keep a small portion of the faximile of the original manuscript that it was taken from in the back of it. And it it details the use of magical squares um that were used as types of intelligences or um um how there should be a better term, shekele, right? the the or the light of the intellect >> of um various planets and spir and things and everything was encoded basically in in mathematics and um and it has a great deal about seals about uh different melim and things like that and that is purported according at least according to the author to go back to Nav'i. So well I mean the entire corpus of the Laurianic text is said to originate from Yahu which spoke to the which spoke to Vital which spoke to Rabish Vital which eventually wrote it down after editing it. Now I mean the you mention a few you mention a few texts and it's still very much around the and I for one um I for the past just over a decade 11 years or so I've been focusing most of my time on the the the way in which the brings down the kabala. It's not a question of it. It just never sat with me personally and I I mean I gave it a a good shot. Let's say I was I was a student in yeshiva in spat for a few years before I joined the army and after I got out of the army I went back into uh into the luranic texts. Not to say that I've gone through the gamut of them. Far far from it. you know is uh where I well where I started and where I stayed and and when I and the reason I speak of of the is because they say that the the Torah of the right and what the revolutionized is that his cabala is the cabala of tikun while the cababala that had been hitherto in the world up until the days of of Moshe is the cababala of to and there that there was a great shift there and what you're speaking of is is also texts that go way way back and I guess my question is do you there have been those who tried to blend the lore of the with the kabala of the raak I don't know if anybody actually got it right and I'm quoting others I'm not saying it myself but something about the way the bring things down, brought things down as opposed to the which goes in a more intellectual sort of research way about it. It just spoke a lot more to me. The question is, do you think that there is like in physics, right, where they're looking for a grand unifying theory? Do you think that there is such a cababala such a lore a Torah out there that will be able to unify let's say those two schools or those two dimensions of study that and right that whole that whole thing which I mean uses that a lot right they talk of the bringing things together I I mean do you think that that's something that can be done let's say and wait and before I forget one other thing after you speak of this if you can. Uh I want to talk to you about the that's something you are very very much into and I heard you speak of it um here and there but I and I like each one should have his own something along those lines. I didn't quite get it and if you could elaborate on the as well.

>> Absolutely. So the first thing is uh you know Raf Mosha Cordavo was the all regarded him as a rabbi but during the time of [clears throat] Mosha Cordavo he did not expound Lurana Kabala. Instead he honored his Rav and he allowed the Torah of Rav Moshaporto to be predominant meaning and he followed kind more classical understandings behind what had already been established up to that point in terms of Kabala especially with the generations before him. For example, the magnum opus shahar or the gates of light which was written by um Rav um Ysef Jikatella a student of mafia >> and you know in fact the art famously said that um that he wouldn't even teach a person unless they had written uh read the gates of light right and um and at that time it's kind of interesting because it was circulating you know he wrote that for his brother so it's very interesting um to see because it would have been mainly like in a manuscript type form. I don't know if it would have been full publication at that time. It's possible but none nonetheless nonetheless I digress. So there's definitely a distinction between the the um Kabala of Rav Mosha Cordovo and the Kabala of the Ariel. Now the Arrizal would only teach Lurana Kabala for a very short period of time >> and just an exceedingly short period. I mean like I'm talking you know he he >> couple years yeah >> well he he kind of talked specifically for a year and and um during that time his entire understanding of kabala came from the zor you know in shar gilgalene in the gates of reincarnation he famously tells vital that in one of his last gilgals he rejected the validity of the zor and for this he had to gil and his tikun was to dedicate his study to the zor and and he would not be able to understand anything in the Zor because the Zohar was so is so cryptic. The Zohar is like um uh you know obviously we know it's a centralized corpus text behind the but when when he finally began to reveal and understand things the arisal pointed him to certain places and you know when you read the zar people think like okay either rabbi zut let me go understand you can't understand either rabbi zuta without the rest of the zar and there's also another portion called either Mishkan. And there are certain sections that seem to be scattered throughout the zar that contain some of the highest and loftiest keys behind opening up the cryptic use of language behind the zar that are scattered in between different safers. So you'll all of a sudden just find this weird section that almost seems out of place in the ZAR where it'll expound some very profound idea or concept behind a certain word or certain phraseology or certain use of a divine name that entirely um tosses the prior understandings virtually onto its head. So, so therefore, um, the Lakabala is is virtually inaccessible without thesar to the highest degree because all of the terms that we think that are attributed and and I've seen some modern scholars make this horrible mistake where they believe or they'll say, you know, the term Ailus birya is something that Isaac Lura really really um, you know, kind of brought forth, but no, Atilus is used inside of the >> way way back. Yeah. Yeah. All that stuff's used in the zor. Zeron pins in the zar. Um, um, all all of these concepts are in the zor. The aris wasn't teaching something outside the zohar. It was in the zohar. But I would say the difference between the two is that ra mosha cordo was steeped into the yas, the lineage that had been passed down from what had been preserved of the kabala amongst the sages. um and probably in the most direct lineal fashion and was expounding and propounding on on those aspects like for example his great work partisanim as opposed to um the arizal who was a zohar purist for 12 years he studied you know next to a river he would only come home to talk to his wife he he only spoke everything in in aesh you know alavi came and and and expounded the tikim with him he famously was quoted as saying, you know, he would he would ask a student if Elanavia revealed himself to him. If not, he wouldn't even bother teaching him. He famously said to Vital, "Nobody I I came only to teach you." As you know, brought others and went to his death. >> Um and and and if you read the works of you, you'll find that um it's not complete. Not only is it not complete, uh many of the things still retain remain speculative and is not beyond the shame of saying um I don't really know the answer to this. my master could have expounded this way or it could be this way and that's one of the major things about Luran Kabala because there because as you know um and reported by by Mck Hamel which was written by Raf Natali shortly after that the same lineage um many of the writings of the Arisol were recovered through Cabala Maset. They they uh used Kabala Maset to basically exume the grave of Katal and go find the writings that he was buried with because he famously had said apparently that his own son was unworthy of the mysteries that nobody was worthy of the mysteries and therefore when he was you know he he was buried with these elanot with these safers and some of it had to be recovered by Kabal Masi. As you know, there's a there's a there's a event that took place right before Katal's death when he was going blind. He went blind at the end of his life. He famously was a gilgal of Cain that came from the sparks of of uh Kain and he talks about this in Jogelim but as you know that's the side of Gur and it's tied to the to the which means the blind one. It's the same reason why Yeetszak went blind. But nonetheless, he ended up going blind at the end of his life and and purportedly his son would come and uh basically hire a bunch of of sophim to make copies of all of his works while he's dying and blind. And the other works he did not get access to. He wanted them to be buried with him. And so they were buried with him until later they would exume them using purportedly and this is their language not my language but they say that they had to use cabala masi to recover some of these things and as >> I had no idea. >> Yeah. Yeah. This is this is talked this is this is talked about in mamelak. This is also talked about in a couple of other safers I want to say. Um, Shosan Isaham may mention a little thing about it, but don't quote me for sure on that. Um, but for sure talks about it. And one of the things about that is that I mean, can you imagine desecrating a rabbi's grave to go take what explicitly said do not he does not want to be released. Um, but they did it anyways. And so then therefore there's this there's a um there's a curse uh on Lana Kabala. So you know I'm sure you know this the highest schizophrenic um percentage in the world is usually found amongst Ashkanazi. Interestingly enough that happens to be where Lurana Kabal Lan Kabala prospers over there. Um, but there's there's a connection between these two things because the people who study who study Lurana Kabala unfortunately fall under that curse at least purportedly um as to the explanations that I've just given to you because essentially they're tied into this event of the desecration of this great Hakam's grave and these exumed goods recovered by Kabala Masid. And so people who study Luan Kabal are famously for going insane. They go crazy. Um so on and so forth. And that's because it wasn't meant to be revealed. Certain things were not meant to be revealed. Now I I guess to to answer your question um about the synthesis between Raach and the AR there there's definitely a synthesis. There's absolutely a synthesis. Um and they they they blend to each other in a very beautiful way. But there's I would say that Lurana Cabala deals with uh the sherro the roots and so then a lot of its language uses like divine names and things like this >> and a lot of the things that people don't understand because this has never been written down but I guess I'll be revealing it here to you. this is received um uh mouth to ear through tradition is what exactly are we talking about when we see these divine names you know you'll see like okay this name is equal like Sarah for example like the ra is uh the name of Elohim squared well okay that's good is it just like geatria no of course not what does it actually mean well the answer to this is that a milui refers to the aer the back side of a spherot And >> the right >> the squaring refers to uh an emanation and that's one of the most important keys in the entire cabala. And that's a very guarded. >> Now wait by by square by squaring do you mean milui deui? >> Not the milui the milui like for example like if I was to take like if I was to take like the name the name of hashem for example and I would say yud yud yud and so that triangulation there. Oh. Oh, yes. Right. The Yes. Yes. I understand. >> The the the the sod of that is it actually refers to an ammonation in every place it's used. And so then the Lurana Cablla was written in code and you had to know the code in order to access it. Otherwise, you have some really cool geatriot. You [laughter] have, you know, you have like a bunch of divine names. this is equal to this name and that name and this. But you can't really >> get to the root of the matter unless you know how they're interpreting these this use of the names. But when you do understand the use of the names like that, >> you can understand like um like as an example as an example, I'll give one small example from the Lana Kavala. There's a safer called um shaesh the gates holy spirit >> and the s a large series of tikim that have to deal with commentaries on certain verses and so on and so forth kind of expound the idea they they mention in borius that should be read as created shiny and it says shiny is 710. Now that 710 they they say there is actually Barak created 720 and it says that there are 720 surfs or permutations of the word beratious. The sixletter word has 720 permutations. So that's the first level but the second level is borious is hma. So it's written hma and so therefore raius is hma. And when we understand that that's a 72 name. So the 72 name times 10 is 720. So again created 720. But there's another explanation is that is the value 72. And therefore if we apply that to all 10 spher now it's emanating from hma which is why bes is followed by the word barah which hints to the word berea right because the world of berea and so then therefore there's this emanation process coming from batious into berea which is exactly why it's written the first of the kingdoms raises and then it uses a a a word synonymous with the word mut the first of the kingdoms where the word raceous is used in relation with the word malut to signify because according to the exesus where one word is found and another word there's some kind of connection >> according to that it's nucleilos and so then therefore the nucleilus fell into berea this is a major a major thing that's found inside of louisianic writings and so on and so forth is to follow the nukea into the world of berea but that actually happens in the very first word gracious And then because the first of the kingdoms which we know the word kingdom is rooted in the word uh which is the nucleilus entering into bar which is ba and so that's that's kind of where the synonymous points are. Another explanation of course is sheets is created six >> and the six of and as we know you know so on and so forth. what he was going at is so what I would say the difference between Raf Mosha Cordova and the ARS when I said that is there's a concept of what's called the mother's Torah and it's written do not forsake your mother's Torah and the mother's Torah is from the parts of Ema it's it's bina it's understanding and the left column is called flesh and this is what's written the two shall come together and be one flesh the male is the secret of the written Torah because That's uh zeranpin whose central spheros is tiferas. I'll engrave these words on the tablet of your heart and the female is and the earth opened its mouth which is the right p. It's the oral Torah. So when it says the two shall come together and be one flesh it means the written Torah and the oral Torah unite to create what's called the mother's Torah. The mother's Torah where it says do not forsake your mother's Torah. It's also said measure the dimensions of the temple. The reason why it tells us not to forsake it is because it's measurement. The left column den another term for den is measurement and so because of this it's easy to forsake it because we say it's a bodhazara because it's measurement how how can you measure the divine things but the mother's >> well I mean that idea that idea of measuring the divine things is part of what gets out right in the open from the beginning where it's like you know you know where it's like is it or is it which is it and it's both yeah so I see what you're saying >> absolutely absolutely So, so the mother's Torah is split up into into three things. It's called the garden. And our sages famously told us a garden is a woman. They also say a field is a woman. But the garden being a woman is the secret of Ema. It's the mother's Torah. And in the garden were planted trees. And regarding the tree, it says tree, fruit, and seed. And so the tree are the worlds and the fruit of the spir. And the word seed zer is a surf of zer which hints to partus. And so then there are so then the mother's Torah is this type of Torah where one is walking through the the garden and the garden are all the trees which are made out of worlds spher and partsim and in the midst of that garden is the which we call the tree of life and to get to that tree of life you have to go through the garden meaning you have to understand so then how do we take like for example uh worlds spheros and patus and then get to the atil the emanation level of it which is the level of sight right the level of sight is and um that part was never obtained. So is very thorough about this. He says in Shah Gildim that no soul had come from that every soul that had came before that had come from the world of Bria and below. And I had someone ask me, well, what about our our our sages? And I say, well, the highest of the is the metat is the metat and metat is the lower worlds, right? So, >> right. >> Um, so then how what is this? I I'll give you an example. I'll give you an example of it. So, it's written it's wr the the four levels. So, the first level, so it's written, let the waters under the heaven be gathered to one place. Let dry appear. That's basic level. the pashad of it you know could mean you know he gathered the water dragon appeared who knows the but to get to the uh the mother's Torah level let the waters under the heaven so the heaven would be under the heaven would be >> gathered one place would be and let dragon be but we're still in the intellectual domain of it so it's still extreme intellect but we're not at the we're not at the earth is founded in wisdom We're not at the we're not at the glory. So to get to the glory level, what does this teach us? Let the water gather to one place means let the water gather to. So then if we look at our face, our face is a tree of life and our body is a tree of life. And our face we have a brain for you is the mouth. So then the is does water gather into does water gather in the mouth? And so we find we salivate. And the same thing with the goof or the body. We find that water gathers to the reproductive organ because we urinate. And so this is the secret of what can I take as a witness to you? What can I liken to you? But Zor takes this statement and topples it on its head because there's no questions. Everything is a statement. So in less >> that's part that's part of what that's part of what um with the Zohar and the Arisa. That's part of what didn't sit right with me in the sense that it's all here it is and there's no researching and there's no examining and that's what I love about because he takes everything there that has been hitherto passed down and he says okay okay let's make some sense of all of it and let's see what's right and what's wrong and Ramach is not afraid of saying no that opinion is completely off they don't know what they're talking about >> no that that that's a great point that's a great point and and this level the level of where I'm at where I'm telling you um uh does water gather into the mouth and does water gather into the reproductive organ is exactly why Hay Vatal told his son that he wasn't worthy of it and because the idea of it is that it as as long as the Torah stays inside of the mother's Torah which is which is we the apex of the Torah Bria the Torah of creation the Torah of worlds spheros and pus it's never actualized it stays in this philosophical domain of possibility And >> well that's bina right that's the point where it's not yet spread out it's still gathered inside >> that's that's precisely it and this is exactly why he warned so heavily against its study because he himself only but in maybe three places that I can personally think of that could be more than three had he ever hit the level of atilus where he understood insil the Torah of Ailus's uh revelation. I can give you one example of it, I guess, but um for example uh and maybe you know this, maybe you don't know this, but are you familiar with the concept of the the of ima forming the bina and the das of zer? >> Yes, the right one is >> perfect. So, so he mentions that um I imma goes by the name of Elohim and the pineios or the spheros of kaf. Now he says that when the is created and formed they're formed from um the im which all are called by the name elohim. He hints this in the word ro. He says, "Ros is the um squaring of the name Elohim, which has a value 200. The shin is the mili of Elohim, which has the yud and um the alf hints to the the milui with an alf." And he says they all have the basic name Elohim. Well, Elohim has a value of 86. And so he posits that this hints to 86. So on the go is the hips and the reproductive organ and means pregnancy. So he says that the brains of a baby are developed 86 days for 86 days for 86 days for and this is 9 months right because the the mo or the brain of the baby is receiving the 86 lights from the vessel of Elohim of its mother's imma then 86 for you saw it 86 days roughly three months. So this is where he was and this is one of a few places where he actually started to touch on the level of >> wait I'm sorry he says he says that the is ongo an ongoing thing while still in I thought the process was and then >> it is it is and and mo but when we speak mo it's usually mobless and in this case it's it's the the root of it, it's not even really mohas because it's not even really small brains but rather that the first thing developed in there >> it's the origin >> yeah the the laying foundation and so we find that the baby's brain develops for during those nine months during that process and he he posits this in a very peculiar place in in aid's time it's almost out of place because there are certain oneliners or things like that especially when he's talking about the sa and things like that he'll say things for posterity and then move on but this is one of those places where he began to touch on Torah Batulus where where he the the the sherro of the matters where it was dealing with um names uh worlds partus uh fir and and the names of Hashem. It actually moved beyond that and he started to see what can I take as a witness to you? What can I liken to you? The zor tells us, "I call heaven and earth to bear witness against you this day." And it says, "The witness is the earth hinting to reality." And and the zor opens famously in the prologue and it says, "What will I take as a witness to you and what will I liken to you every day?" meaning reality because a is actualization. The Tanya famously uh comments regarding the word that it's the word and it uses a strange interpretation for kak. It describes it as potential potential of of ma meaning what? Meaning the new and there's yes. >> So then so then it so then he famously says that kakma is the potential of what? So the world of atilus is a world of emanating potentials and aa is actualization of said potential. And for this reason the zor says what can I take as a witness to you? What can I liken to you? And then it says, "I will take what to witness and liken to you every day." That's because what is actualized has to be from Hashem. It has to be manifested from the potential if it's actualized. Meaning that if it's in the reality, therefore, what it was really hinting to is what's written um that the earth is filled with his cavote, which is his 22 letters in his 10 spirro. And it's also uh alluded to it with a level of sight because to witness to something is to see something. And atus is a level of sight. Berea is a

level of hearing. Is a level of smell and and is a level of speech. So it hinted to this idea that the Torah of Atsilus is when you unite the potential with actualization and you actually see it.

Um and I can give I can give a a >> because the fruit. Yeah. The the fruit, the fruit bespeak the root. And so if we know that here we have an apple, we know the root is of an apple tree. And in the very same way when we actualize things, we can journey back there and discover the root. So not not even retroactively, but simultaneously I suppose, >> right? And that and that there's a secret dimension of the Torah that deals entirely with that.

So when our sages say that Hashem who looked into the Torah and then created reality, it it's mash. It's like literal. There's some people that was you know so on so forth. But according to the literal interpretation, that's what I quoted when I said, "Let the earth under the heaven be gathered to one place and let dry appear." Where is where the water gathers. And so then the atil of this is that the place of is where water gathers. So we find on our faith that we salivate, water gathers there. And we find on our gulf that we urinate and water gathers there. And then what is my witness to that? Meaning actualization, reality is my witness to it. And this is what sets up the the degree of Yakob's latter because it's objective. Meaning like it's not subjective to my belief. It has no faith or belief to do I salivate in my mouth or do I urinate with my [laughter]. So when it removes the subjectivity, then we have Torah MS, which called Torah of truth. And that what I've just said are just are just literally crumbs of what the Torah actually uh actually contains. That's that's something I say a lot that I'm, you know, even after all this time, let's say I'm still as far as I'm concerned, studying introductions to introductions. You know, it's all the the crumbs.

Now, wait, talk to me about uh about elanote. Talk to me about that idea of writing your own lines. I didn't quite get it though, to be fair. I didn't delve too deeply into it, but I know that it's part of your thing that you're heavily into uh having other people do or instructing them to do it. Could you elaborate a bit on that Elanote business?

Absolutely. So, um, so Elanote is a tradition that's that's gone by that that has been passed down at least recordably um for a thousand years, but most famously um all the disciples of the Lurana Cabala used Elon Vital was on Shabbat. He would roll out this giant scroll and [laughter] then he would instruct them from this giant scroll and then they would go home and write their words, which is uh and take their notes and so on so forth, which is one of the reasons why and of course, this this Elon has gone uh missing. So the word Elon comes from the Aramaic word for tree. And it's an idea of the trees of the worlds. It's basically a road map uh for all the parts and emanation so on and so forth from the top down. One of the reason why aheim is virtually unintelligible. And many people quote aim, but if you've actually read aim, it's like it's it's like madness, like theomania, like it's divine madness. Like if you don't have a way of uh mapping what he's doing. And the reason why is because it's basically a commentary onto an Elon we don't have access to anymore.

>> And so so so the tradition there was a secret society that was in Israel. And um this secret society uh carried a very very ancient lineage, a very ancient tradition. As it's written, um, "according to the pattern I showed you on the mountain." And so this teaches us that Moshabenu, yes, he receives the Torah. He received the oral Torah, but he received something else. He received this thing called the pattern. And this pattern is is what's written. They traveled to a place called Mara. The water there were very bitter. He showed them their excrete, tossed it into the water. Bitter waters became sweet. So this tree is is that secret pattern. And that tree was made out of many different levels. And so that pattern is where the word Elon comes from. The word Elon means tree. It's just the Aramaic word for it. So um so there was a there's a secret lineage of Mechcoim who have had these Elon note. Everybody from um I mean, some of the absolute um greatest names have had these Elon notes. Joseph Chicatella had a Elon. And um obviously Him Batal did, Raf Natali did, many people after him, many of the Luranic works um had them as well. And so what they are is basically um the systematic um process of emanation starting with the very highest level, which begins with the atika kadisha and then immediately into Adam Kadmon and then immediately into the atiki. Now, where we kind of talk about it in a philosophical perspective nowadays, at least for those who are involved with that type of study in any type of real degree um, it was not like that in the originals. And one of the one of the the the greatest Elons and and one who kind of spilled the beans was Ram Khal. Ram Khal wrote um, he wrote and he says something in there very staggering. He says that everything found in the atom gedal is found in the atom kata. And what he's hinting to is that the atom gedal is this, we could use the western terms macrocosmic and microcosmic. I don't really like using those terms because there's other philosophical ideas that are tied to that. But nonetheless, >> what what he was trying to insinuate is that this Adam ged um, all of its parts, all of its fir all of its emanations are to be found in the human body. And everything in the human body contains everything from the atom uh ged. And how he came up to this is that is that the Ram Khal actually had an Elon. I have a couple of safers that have pieces of his Elon notes inside of it. Um, now of course, is it public?

>> Wait, I'm I'm I'm curious though. I'm curious. The idea of right and that that hierarchy of emanation, that's something that goes back, I mean, way before the that idea of the tense within the tense within the tens and this fractal like existence that we live in and that the material mirrors the spiritual and so on as it's written, right? That whole thing. It seems it seems something that is not as new, let's say, as the Ram Khal and Ysef Jitalia. What is it that they brought into the into the made it uh let's say, well, newer, greater, different than the shut that was already known, right? From the hierarchy of the different worlds and the spir and the different names and everything to do with that, unless I'm mistaken. I mean, I know that in he he elaborates on this at length. He may not call it that, but definitely in um, in the a lima, he goes through everything there in the most minute detail. And what is it that occurred after the Ariza, let's say, what is it that Ramal brought down? I mean, he said many staggering things. What is it that he brought down that was different, let's say, or maybe I'm it could be I'm completely misunderstanding it.

No, you're you're you're not misunderstanding at all. Um, and you know, as you know, Joseph Chikatella was a disciple of Abu Lafia, which which took place before the Ariel, and he had an Elon, which tells us that the tradition of the Elon goes back um, you know, thousands of years and it was secretly passed down. Now, I I had mentioned that there was a secret society that was in Israel where they were bound by oaths of excommunication. If anyone ever took one of these Elons outside of Israel, they would be denied, you know, so on and so forth. And um, so this was and they were actually, fun fact, right? So now we're getting in a little bit of conspiracy zone. But to answer your question before I expound on this matter, to answer your question, the result brought the zoom in. So if we're looking at, so like for example, if if if we're looking at the order of einations in terms of like a cadaavver, you know, we're doing um anatomy, we're just looking at the human body as it is. The dollol brought in all the sod of the parts and the and the sherro of these things. And so it's like as if he like zoomed in and he said, "Okay, this is the heart muscle. It has these things going on inside of it. Here are all the facial structures of the of the skull. You know, this houses this this organs connected to this, so on and so forth." So from an anatomical perspective, if I was to do that one or expound it like that, um, before that, it was said to be general, even though it was specific at the time, it was specific because it was considered to be um incredibly esoteric. Incredibly esoteric, a a tradition that was passed down very quietly. Anyone who knows anything about the real kabala in the spirro, not as it relates to any western occultism, but I mean actual, you know, from the Torah, is very, very esoteric. But theal, he plugged in all the inner levels of it. So instead of us looking at the body from a surface level, he zoomed in and said, "Okay, these are actual inner things that are at interplay together." And that's what separates his his system of Elon notes uh drastically from others, including. And you should know that um the arisal did not teach all of his students the same thing. So, a famous example, um Iban Tabul, who's one of my favorite disciples of the oral, him and had a huge Mus, they had a huge falling out because Tibul did not want to surrender his writings over to when he >> right, right. >> He uh he fled, he went over to Gaza and he wrote this book called uh the rohatan, the tree ties on dragons, because that's what the arisal had told them was about the tan. Now, he didn't tell him Vital about these things because Hatal, anytime he'd bring up Sith Ara or anything like that, he for the sake of posterity would preserve it, never expounded it, and just moved on. I mean, he says some of the most insane oneliners in a kind that are just like, "Did you, what? You can't, how did you not expound this?" But um, nonetheless, like um, like for example, he famously says that shinas and gimmel are are um uh Satan's strong spark. And he says that the Satan is made from the cortises of the brain. And then moves on. It's like, "Cortisaled brain? What do you mean?" So um, so so even Tibul writes this text called uh droatan, and he goes off into Gaza. And interestingly enough, guess who would happen to find that droatan and would write his own commentary to it? Uh Nathan of Gaza, the prophet of Shapi, right? So this is where he got these radical ideas from.

>> Dangerous. Very dangerous.

>> Yes, yes. And he wrote a he wrote a commentary um also called throatan, which is a commentary on even to build throatan. And throatan is a commentary on um book nine of the zor, called obviously there weren't books, you know, 22 books is there, but for those of you that have the case version um, the para was botoaro and and it was called a section called the tan gadal, which is all talking about the tan gadal. And that's mainly what rosha tanin was. It was basically like three sections Zohar. One of them takes place in book two. One of them takes place in book nine. And of course, tree on dragons doesn't actually say this. I just happen to know exactly where he's citing from. But um, he compiled them together and expounded this safer. And it's bas it's very similar to like heckalot literature because it's very, very, very fascinating. Um, it's talking about Mosheu as he's ascending up to go to Pharaoh. And he he says, "Why does it say like go? Why do I say bo, like come to farrow or go in to farro?"

>> And and um, he reveals there some incredible things. You know, he he mentions. I happen to have translated the only uh interlinear version of throatan, I think in existence, where it's um the Hebrew and then the English of the original Dataan. And I I have it in a book called The Book of Dragons, which I don't really promote or talk about, but it is in there, the whole thing. And um, and he says some very staggering things like he says, for example, like uh, that Pharaoh is actually the tiferas of Hma. Right. This is what do you mean? The rest of he says, yeah, he crouches in the rivers and he crouches [clears throat] and but these ideas that Pharaoh is inus. Now, this same idea is talked about in because he states over there that um sakme is insulus. Now, later cobalists who we would receive by tradition, because there's this kind of intermixing where there are those who came from the luranic side and there are those who came from the received traditions of their rabban who received their traditions who received their traditions, usually rooted into medieval cabala, and it kind of intermingled a little bit with a little bit of luranic sprinkled here and there. And they would say things like, "Well, there's no kipah inus." But that's not what that's not what says at. There absolutely is a kipa. Not only that, um talks about the concept of Adam Bal or Adam Bal and his >> Yeah. his height is the height of Adam Kadusha. And people say, "Well, what is Adam Bal?" Well, those that go deeper will find that Safety says 10 Spirros from Balma, from nothingness. And so then Bal means the upper. We translate it as um fool or f or like a um worthless person or something like that.

>> Well, I mean, well, okay, we'll go on.

>> So, so, so what happens is that there's this uh there's this interesting break behind the two. And so, the RSL is famous for saying the kipa came before the fruits. And this is this is a very, very straightforward, you know, Cain becomes before Keville, right? Um, we have Ishmael that comes before Asov that comes before Yakov, the land of Kam before the land of Israel. And one of the major things that the armies all talks about is is the kings of Edom, which comes from the Zar.

>> Right. And >> I was just going to say that's this this week's Torah portion, right? If I'm not mistaken. Or last week's Torah portion. Which one was it? Okay. Well, go on.

So, so there's so now there's these two these two fields of thought. So the one field of thought is in the world of what we call tikun, and the other world field of thought is in the world of tofu. Even Tabul laid down the framework for entering and accessing the sod of Tofu. And this would be monumentally um brought down in Nathan of Gaza's safer bria, which I actually have have a copy of. Getting a copy of it is very difficult. You can't get it outside of the US from my understanding at all. And even in Israel >> it's very, very difficult. If you can find a copy of Safar Bria, it's definitely worth um worth the read. But uh Sephora Bria posits something radical. He's basically there there becomes two things to the simsum. One positum is in the midst of the in, but the other says no, no, no, is the of the back side of the a. And so this has radical implications behind its uh meaning because it means that everything on this side of the fence, as it were, is um rooted in the >> Yeah. >> Right. And it roots it it it roots into what um Ram Paul says in 138 openings of wisdom, that the purpose of creation was to bring forth forth a place for evil. Now, this goes into much deeper levels. I'll give you one of those so examples from that received tradition, which I don't think has ever been revealed, but um, a sulf is a numerical value of samakme, right? And so there's this level of what we call sonic mem zakin, as a as as relation to sonic mem. And the zohar famously says, there's mem and sonic mem. This is a huge deal when it comes into the aspect of uh of uh sephria and other places which begin to expound to some of these ideas. Because are you familiar with the nikud and the the sephro uh placements, you know, like kamat >> So kamata essentially means closed. And but that's kether, right? And kamat is closed. And so that's the idea of this blindness. >> And then pak is open of the of uh, you know, a so essentially opening. But nonetheless, not to go too off off off the derek, but to provide some of the foundations. A new or new lineage of Elanot would come from that side, which would deal mainly with the Ara. Now, um, um, interestingly enough, Nathan of Gaza would write one of these Elons, and his Elon was one of the most authoritative and detailed Elon note that have ever been written because Kim Talls was lost. We don't actually know what happened to Kim. It could be in some place hidden somewhere, but at least for the public, for from the public's perspective, it's lost. However, uh Nathan of uh Gazas was not was not lost, and we still have it. And safer berea was a commentary based on it. And that would go to radically influence um some of the other, for example, as you know, and the the infamous name Yakob Frank and others, which many people didn't think that he had an eon, but people were mistaken because Um, although this stuff was publicly not known about or recovered, or if it was recovered, it was concealed, or it was passed down amongst those who, you know, so on and so forth, but it would radically change the nature of the construct from uh from lights and vessels, which is what the Aries all kind of laid forth down, and it would turn drastically into >> kath. I did a I did a video on um, I actually revealed and it was one of the most dangerous videos I think I've ever made. I I honestly considered moving uh after I revealed it um, and I revealed the sad of what they believe um, which has never been expounded.

>> I actually think I actually think I saw that one. Right. You were talking about the different relationships of the mother, the son, and the different incestuous uh relationships that they brought into the physical world, if I'm not mistaken.

>> Yeah. So like when they say the net you saw it forms of being a da, you know, they they said that that imma is a hermaphroditic because it contains abba inside of it. And then the das of zeren is his throat. And then the are you know, seed and all.

>> Right. So they would insert this to insert the fallus. Yeah. That whole thing. Right.

>> Right. Right. Right. And it became ritual. Now, that now what's terrifying about that is you're not just dealing with like misgreants that um that are just uh, you know, up to bad things. You're dealing with religious practice and and religious fervor. And that that really complicates things because they and and this is, you know, I'm sure you know about the Bosch to famously went against Yakob Frank. And he tried to it's in if you ever read read Tales of the he uh he tried to challenge. There's a section in there called the anti- messiach. And they they call him the Messiah of the Satan. And they mention his name directly, Yakob Franken. And he tries to battle him, but he was not able to overcome him. The reason why >> Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. And tells the yeah, maybe I'll do a video on it. It's it's really a tragic tale. And and Boston to essentially like admits this defeat at the end of it. And um, and and Boston to also famously grieve at his uh excommunication. You know, he famously said, you know, um, a limb that is, uh, amputated cannot be healed, but a a limb that is, uh, sick can be healed. The problem with it is because those teachings are rooted in um, the the most esoteric levels of the Lurana Cabala. Except the problem with it is that they took them as literals or or they or they [snorts] said like the actualization should be mirrored. And so then they believed that um

>> It it seems it seems so ridiculous to me because one of the first things that anybody who starts with these teachings is taught ideally is these are not actual >> um things that we're talking about. We're talking about divine revelation. We're not talking about physical, right? All the different hairs, right? And all the different pieces of the brain and all the different they exist in some way in the human body being a a mirror of that. But not to make the mistake of thinking that this should actually take place physically, right? Which brings us back to Kabalamit and why it was such an issue. But it just it boggles my mind that these sages and they were I believe very knowledgeable and how did they make this mistake of taking it down into the physical? I mean, I know I partly know why. Right. They wanted to create a situation where there was so much transgression that we would have no that there would be no right to bind the hands of all of the almighty God that we'd be in such trouble that he would have to redeem us. I mean, and I get that, I suppose, but I still not fully >>

Those are those are yeah, that that's a very good point. They basically believe Messiahs, you know, they famously argue and said Mashia comes one of two ways. Either everyone's all righteous, or everyone's all wicked. We can't be all righteous, all be wicked.

>> And that that goes on in the conspira it's definitely down in the conspiratory realm. But um, which carries on to this day. I mean, it's pretty frightening if you really do the the research on on that stuff from an unbiased perspective. I don't know if your IP address will get flagged or whatever for looking too deep into these things now. Um, but what what I can say, so going back to the Elonote tradition, so um, I started the conversation. I gave you an example of thoratilus, right? The net code you saw of imma form the hook and being there. And I said, "Well, this is the secret of pregnancy because the baby is pregnant in between the hips and the reproductive organ of the mother. That's where the womb is." And how this was nine months, 86 days, 86 days, 86 days. Now, that's the osuic level because they because bosian to did not have the Torah of Vatilus. He could not supplant the Torah that was being brought down by by um Yak and Frank at that time.

>> Because you'd say you're wrong, but it's like, "Okay, well, give me the answer then." And he couldn't do that.

>> He famously went to Hind and he complained. He said, he said, "Why did you write this safer with so much suggestive language zoo and all these other things?" And he handed him a pen and said, "You write it better." [laughter]

>> And he cut it. How Jewish.

>> Yeah. Yeah. And and this is um, that that was symbolic, that was a symbolic allegory uh of Boschinto uh basically accepting the fact that he could not uh supplant Yakob Frank's arguments because in absence of the Torah of Vatilus, it's like, "Well, what >>

He did not have the he he didn't have the counterargument, let's say.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because because because in absence of his answer, what other answer is there? In the argument of saying, "Well, his answer is wrong, but I can't give you the right answer to replace his answer." Now, his answer become what we call majority opinion. [laughter] And according to majority opinion, that's what happened to Rav Ella's arenos. I mean, you know, the whole oven of a, he's basically uh excommunicated only because of majority opinion, not anything else.

>> And so >> Right, right. He was actually he was actually correct.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Terribly so. Even Hashem, you know, he comes out and says, "My my sons have overcome me." Uh and uh but yeah. Yeah, he was correct. And and [snorts] um, fun. I'll give you one little secret about that. They say that that Rabbi Eleazar Ben Arconos um would go Gul into the AR later. Have you have you uh ever read that?

>> No.

>> Yeah, I have a book of in Perk Alazar that states that um that states that um >> wait, you're talking about the midashic text.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And in the opening, they they quote a tradition that they've received that the Arisol was actually a gilgal of Ravier Benos. And it was that his Torah, which was actually correct, would become the majority opinion later. So now we see Lan Kabala essentially becoming the majority opinion. [laughter] But um, but um, I I digress just just slightly. Just slightly.

>> So >> All good. All good.

>> Um, so so how does so you you mentioned Kabalamasi. So we've gone into some depth about Elenote. Kind of it has gave a little bit of a lineage of what the ARS all kind of did different with about partus and the shiro, the names and everything like that. So how do we get to um Cabalamit?

Um, so Kabalamit is, you know, I I'll give you an example of that. Soass right um is associated famously with the name of God Kel because it's written right loving God. And it's associated with the patriarch Ara because it's written loving kindness to Abraham. And it's wr it's associated with the negative, the south, because Abraham traveled to the south. Um, it's associated with the mel because uh many different variety of It's gives a direct association with him being associated with the lion. And they all have a face of a lion on the right side. So so is okay. So we have all these equations. We have a direction. We have a name of Hashem. And then we have a mel. How does this all tie in together? What why did hashem tell us was south? Aside from the maybe generalized understanding of zeron pin being south, north, east, west, up and down. Okay, maybe space, right? Space and time nucleus time, they're on pin space, perfect. But what else was there? And the answer to that was um, that's where kalamasi begins to flourish. Um, so then they would take the direction and they would say, "Okay, if I was going to invoke this melac, it would be in this direction, south. And it would be associated with this color, blue. And it would be associated with this kv, this planet, for example, shapi." So now I have a listing of times. I have days, right? Because Saturday is what? Saturn day. So, >> right. And then and and then I have a listing of uh t hour hours. And so now, what's the point of me knowing that there's time? And this tells us in braces, you know, the stars are used for times and seasons and all these other things, but time specifically. So now this the there were traditions that understood the time, the colors, the associations, and they understood something. And this is a a secret that would be expounded upon by the Arisal. So you're familiar with the concept of like or Makif.

>> Yes.

>> So so there's so the way that they understand it is essentially like the a name of Hashem. So for example, Kel, right? Is is an attribute of God. And this attribute essentially produces a light which becomes a kum, a vessel. Now, we can go into the the intricacies of it and say, okay, it goes into, you know, and then becomes a cle, but the vessel is essentially the spheres of. Now, when the light passes through the vessel of it creates another type of orif, another type of encompassing light. That encompassing light that surrounds that vessel is a secret of a melo, secret of angels. And so then therefore, they would um, and there's a couple of reasons behind that. Melo contains the word filling, so on and so forth. It means messenger. Um, and so they understood about evocation and invocation when it would come into the aspects of lona kodesh, understanding, you know, vure.

>> And so this is kind of where the basic fundamentals or I I should say what I'm expounding to you are the theological reasonings or components behind how that system began to be birthed. Of course, it would be uh culturally appropriated by the western esoteric traditions. Um, I know they don't want to hear that, but you know, Gregor Matthers famously um stylized the entire Golden Dawn system of magic based on Cabala. So this is not anything. No esoteric tradition in the west that's not founded on Cabala. They all have the tree of life. They all have some kind of a um and so there, even though they may have theologically some of the ideas correct, everything else is wrong because they're not rooted in the source of where it all stemmed from in the first place. But um

>> Yeah, makes sense.

>> Right. And and and so I'll give you another example. So uh there's 10 spheros. So there's uh one point which would be keter. Two lines would be like hma. A triangle >> would be bina. A square, the fourth would be five-pointed star would be gura. A six-pointed star which would be like David would be tiferat. A seven-pointed star would be net. Eight-pointed star, code. Nine-pointed star, you saw. 10-pointed star, mal. So now you see how they're taking the uh roots of the orders, the numbers, and the calculations. And you can see how that then turns into amulets. Right? Because now they write the name of Hashem in this particular star >> with this particular color, with this particular melo, at this specific time, in this specific direction, perhaps saying this specific thing, which would always be a pos of some sort.

>> Mhm. And have a vertical around it. And and and where Cabala seat went off the derek is they divorced it away from from the holy writings and they started including all these melim that are like they can't verify because they were coming from weird more like a static cabala like um Abuafia was a real big proponent on a static cabala and kind of having these like mystical states where people would have these mystical states and they would kind of like write down these angels and all these other things. And that's where a lot of the muddy waters came away from the like clean uh perfect wisdom logical understanding. And you can see why it was called the third school.

>> Right, because I mean, because have been around since forever. And that idea of standing in a certain way, breathing in a certain way, focusing on a certain name, having it be that color with the certain nikood, this is these are all things that are very ancient. And I'm thinking about what you said just now, the that idea of taking like an individual experience and saying that this would be good for the public, let's say, writing it down and as if it's something that would be good for all, that might also be where things sort of go a little screwing.

>> Uh, yeah, a million percent. And that's what ended up happening with Kabala Mas and how it became so muddled. Um, because there were there were people who were practicing um lineages of a static cabala, which which is its own right of cabala, not to not to take away from any way. >> But it wasn't grounded in in the perfect concise wisdom that the prophets would have been familiar with. Because, you know, I quote um, you know, they say, "Well, what did the prophet Yeshu study?" And I said, "Well, we would have studied the Torah." What study would have studied the Torah? We we learned that Malik had a school of prophecy. And what would what would they have been studying? Studying the answer is the Torah. And so then all the secrets of prophecy must be found in the Torah. And they are. But um, and same thing with the Cabala Masi, they had to have had Cabala Masi because Vital states that every single one of the prophets utilized Kabala Masi. And so then therefore, um, therefore the lineages and roots have to be according to perfect wisdom. The perfect wisdom. And by perfect wisdom, it has to be through the wisdom and understanding of the Torah. Like I was giving basic examples of regarding associating it to uh the direction of the south, uh the the malak, you know, the color blue, so on and so forth. And how these things would then begin to envelop. I mean, um, he he hints to some of these ideas. Uh, for example, in he states that um, you know, the the verse he states that the word ru is 214 and elohim is 86, and together they equal 300. And this is the mui of the name elohim. And he says he basically hints to, "Hey, if you want to vibrate the waters, use this name because they're vibrating over the waters." You know?

>> And so um [clears throat] stuff like that. And they don't go they don't go too far beyond that. But if our sages were correct on everything else that they that they've said, and they were holy and righteous men that were filled with MS, then then the mystical things that some of them have written about or their events or things, we also have to at least consider the credibility of their character when hearing some of these bizarre things that they've said. Because there, you know, there's there's reports about floating in the middle of a flying up in the air almost. There's reports of people causing it to rain, stopping it to rain, going from one place to another place instantaneously. Um,

>> And it's like it's like would these would these people really just make up sheer and what and then what is the benefit of exalting another person by saying they were doing that when there's no self-gain in the matter? So um, so I it warrants deeper research. And and and as I say, Kabala Masi has existed for eons. It's existed for eons. I mean, there's there's literal Kabala Mas described in the Talmud, you know, it's like, "Hey, you want to do this thing? You want to see the other side? The liver of a black cat, burn that, put coal in your eyes."

>> Yeah, yeah. Such a classic.

>> Yeah, exactly, exactly. So, and this is if if anyone else if I wrote down on a piece of paper, "Take the liver of a black cat, burn it, and put it in your eyes and you'll see the other side." They'll say that's witchcraft. Is it really? No. Because there's no such thing as term witch at the time. But but the the general idea is that Kabal Masi is very interesting. Like there's a safer called Sephora Razim. And it says um, and Safarim should not be confused with Sepharazzil. Rosim is like they found it in a >>

Of course, of course.

>> um, a genea of I think even in a day to time period, some scholar kind of piece it back together because it's kind of fragmented.

>> Incidentally, is filled with cababala where if you want to do this, do this. It's it's steeped in it.

>> Absolutely. And it's held in high regard to this day.

>> It's held in high regard. They still use the uh the Lilith warding, you know, during pregnancies and child birth and >> Yeah. Child birth. Right. Right. Right.

>> Yeah. And it it says something like, "Take, take, you know, take the blood of a lion's cub and put it on the bottom of your feet and walk before the person that you would want to fall in love with you." And, you know, it's a love spell. Now, it doesn't expound the matters behind that. But if you know, they all have a face of a lion to the right side. And out of his right hand goes loving kindness, then you understand that he's pulling on the attribute of the sphere of and he's using a lion, which is the physical manifestation of it, shro, and using the blood, and he's putting it on your feet, which is the level of the soul, the nephesh or meal. And and and it's used for love, right? To attract, like a love spell, basically. But, you know, there's two parts of it. Um, I guess with Kabala Masi, there's one part of it that I would say is like dark. I would say it's like definitely like cliponogga at. And that's being very generous.

>> Yes, I would think.

>> Where it's where it's neutral. And then there's the other kind where I hinted to you more about the perfect wisdom. Where although both of them are formed from obviously the divine wisdom, but the the the order of things that I just described to you in the first order, which is like, "Okay, this is the direction of the south. This is blue. These are the points of the stars. These are the names of Hashem. These are the meloss that are associated with it." That is like the roots of like making kameote and sealot, right? So if you wanted to make like a kameha or or something like it's I I would say that's that's dealing more with kadesha than the other side, which is definitely cliponoga. But it can take >>

Definitely. Yeah.

>> You know, um, because you wouldn't be invoking, you know, the the the the angel Michael to have someone fall in love with you against their will [laughter] using lion's blood. You know, they're kind of two sides of the same coin. And so Kabas kind of a complicated thing because it's split up to it's split up into uh different levels. Uh, there's different levels of Kabala Masi, where there's the lower level.

>> I mean, right, because it's it has to do inherently with ora, and that already makes it very dangerous, you know, I mean, from from my understanding.

>> Yeah, it is. It is. It is because essentially essentially its premise is that um arousal above requires arousal below. And and based off of that, then essentially what you're dealing with. So the term melo um means um a messenger. So the idea behind it is is a relaying of information. So um there are influences, there definitely planetary influences. So for example, when there's a retrograde in one of the planets, you know, people all of a sudden, let's say Mercury's in retrograde, um people will have a difficult time starting up new tasks or drawing or so on so forth. May have artist block, so on and so forth. And you know, when Aravenu, when they tell him, you know, like get you out of this land, our our sages comment and say like, "Hey, this means get out of astrology." Because in the city of earth. Yes.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because they said, you know, his his astrological chart says he's going to be nobody. He's not going to have any kids. All these other things. Um, but he says he says get you out of that. But the thing is, is he doesn't say get you out of it because it's not real. Get you out of it because if you stay under it, you're under the opaces of the mazal. And you know, it's funny because we say the term mazaltove, but what does mazal even mean? Mazal comes from mazalot. It means uh the the a the workings and the times of the influences of of the planets and so on and so forth. And so these >>

Mazal, I mean, there's there's the mazalot and then there's mazalon, which is ket, right? That which is poured down.

>> It's a very, very high thing that's. Yeah. Yeah. For sure.

>> Absolutely.

>> There's a very famous uh there's a very famous line in the zoh right when it goes down the mazal in the sense of that which is poured on top of you or that which comes down. The mazalon. But yeah, the a lot of people are not aware of the that the mazalto has to do with the alignment of the sky at that precise moment. May it be a good, may it be, you know, may there be a good revelation through it.

>> Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. So these influences of of the masalot are the secrets of meloss because the term melac is basically a messenger. And to simplify that would be um a an exchanging of informationational of of information. So um in this case, what we would describe the melo would be the the informationational influence of said star, said planet, or however it is that happens to be influencing. Because that influence um is information. And that information is carried by a messenger, which we would call a mel. Rav famously, you know, I know he has the burned book um and he writes in maharan, which ironically, one of the names of of um Nathan of Gaza, he was called Maharan. I don't know if you know this, but >>

Yeah, yeah. Nathan of Gaza was called the Maharon. So Likaran is a very strange name. Nonetheless, nonetheless um

>> Written by written by Rabinatan, his pupil, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and and um, yeah. Nathan of Gaza was a prophet of Shapi. And um, and Rav Nakov actually quotes one of one of uh Yakob Frank's uh stories that he he has written in the words of Lord Jacob Frank about the Turkey prince. The story of a prince that goes underneath a table.

>> Really? The Hindic is it originates in in a Yakob Frank tale? Oh yeah, [laughter] Frank is the one who who wrote it. No, scholars are are really >>

Yeah. Yeah. Well, there, you know, you know R Nlo, you know, there was a lot of uh controversy around him and >>

Oh, yeah. Full of hypnogood. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Yeah. And and and I think a part of it was he he was trying to do a a tikun uh on the souls of certain individuals. And so he brought some of the he extracted the sparks and brought them into a domain of >>

Well, I mean, he's the first and only one who managed to bring down Hatikuna. I mean, it was said that there are many who tried to do it before him, and he managed to do it.

>> Absolutely.

>> Special uh special guy for sure.

>> Absolutely.

>> Died so young.

>> Absolutely. And he wrote and, you know, his book was burned. He had the the famous burned book. Um, and but >>

Sounds familiar though. I don't recall. By the way, I'm going on.

>> Yeah, the burn book. So, basically, >>

By the way, by the way, wait, wait. By the way, uh, we've been speaking for over an hour and a half, which is great. I can keep going, but I don't want to take too much of your Sunday, you know, away. So,

>> Thank you.

>> Let me know whenever you want to split.

>> Okay. Absolutely. Absolutely. Um, well, what I what I'll say is um, regarding the knock of breast um, he he had a book and a decree basically came to him that um, you know, his son would would perish and his wife would perish. And he he uh determined it had come from this book. So he told one of his his um chief disciples to go basically to his house. This book is in this place, get the book and burn it. And so they went and got the book and he burned it. And it spared the life of his son and his wife uh for a time period. But he would greatly have um a lot of problems uh as a result of the safer. And no one actually knows what was inside of that safer. I I have a couple of interesting traditions from it. But nonetheless, what I will say is that um in the end of Likaran um in some of his last um uh lessons, he expounds the secret of the intellect, the intelligence of the kabim, the intelligence of the planets. And he calls it the the gal, the rotation of the planets. And he says that these are these intelligences are the melim. And he says that the melof is the basically the nephesh of the planet. The soul of the planet is this mel. And now that key that he revealed there is one of the basic foundations of understanding the theological components behind cababala masi. Because when you understand that planets that the planets are the kipa, the husk, the zar tells us that the the handmaidaiden has uh seven planets which are like the mathita seven spir >> then we understand that these planets in a sea, which obviously would aa would be the handmaidaiden or Malus, and the planets are her influences. And those influences, as Rahlam points out, are by the melim that are in them, which are the soul of the planets. And so then therefore, capturing or I would say maybe not capturing, maybe utilizing or perhaps directing these influences comes down to the

The very premise or idea of um Kabala Masi, where essentially in some cases in the secret of Kame, you would be creating a cle, a vessel, using the names of Hashem, and using certain um sacred geometric symbols, and using certain angels, and perhaps certain colors that are all associated specifically with that influence during the time of its influence, to essentially capture um the influence inside of cle. And that's the basic theological understanding behind what Kabala Masi is and basically how it works.

Now, from there, it's incredibly complicated because you have to, and none of this stuff has really been written down anywhere, at least I don't know anywhere that has uh the a complete theological breakdown and and system. Maybe bits here, bits there, crumb here, crumb there, but it for the most part it's it's it's kind of stayed away from, although Western occultism attempted to restore it. Um, that's basically what the entire purpose of the Golden Dawn was. And as I told you, McGregor Mathers, you know, he he was um uh he founded the entire magical system off of Kabala. So all the high ceremonial magic is all from the Kabala.

And the premise behind it is exactly what our sages said, interesting things about Schlomo HaMelech having interesting conversations with Ashmodai and using the Shmeir and >> apparently using Shadam. And um, so that so that so that's the highest tier of Kabala Maset because a certain man is ruler over the birds of the air and the beasts of the field. Birds of the air, birds over the face of the firmament are are the melochim, the angels, and the beasts of the field are the shadom. Right. >> Yeah. So, and so man is to be ruler over them. Um, is as is the secret of he makes the wind his messengers. He makes his ruach the melochim. And so then therefore man had originally commanded these things, commanded these angels when they walked in the ways of Hashem. Right. This is I mean this is also already spoken of in the creation of man in Genesis. Right. It's that whole thing of you have the control. If only you will be worthy of it. It the keys will be handed to you. >> Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely.

And and one of the secrets behind it is because the Holy One, blessed be He. So when it tells us the Zohar tells us to when we walk in the ways of Hashem, it means mama literally. And it says we should be creating heavens and establishing earth. And one of the things about the ways of the Holy One, blessed be He, is that he did he created these things by separation and limits and and differentiation. Therefore, by walking in his ways, a person would then therefore have to command these things in the exact same likeness through limits and differentiation and so on and times, right? Because the angels alternate according to at different times and everything like that. And so essentially >> Oh yeah, I mean that's what that's what is all about. That's why we have these different that that's what that's what it's that's where we're heading to so to speak. >> Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. The you know arguably the the entire the entire seed doers >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or it's it's it's a way to achieve prophecy, right? But it's but it's it's I mean to those who know let's say what to do with the there's a reason why these certain prayers were canonized. There's a reason why it's in this specific order. It's to yourself in mind, body and soul for the receiving of the divine word essentially. >> Yeah. Absolutely.

And u as you know the Rash I don't know if you have you seen the sidedoor or the Rash. >> I've seen it. Uh I've never dabbled with it of course. >> Yeah. It it that that gets in really into the you know in a lot of the panios of the matters and and it's all broken down like when you wake up you know what's the first thing we we say like we say Modani, but why >> well so that's speech and that's the nephesh and it's the goof and so we create a yichud, a unification of of the soul's return to the goof and acknowledge it through speech. That's why it says Modi. Because ani is the >> and then we go into the next thing we do. That's right. That's and then and then after this what do we do? We to and and the tallis because we just went from Nukva d'Antin and now we're up into Bina, which is the >> yep and then the tallis, which is Chochmah, the supernal whiteness. >> Exactly. And now we've assembled ourselves um through all four worlds, made unifications for all of them. And then our brain is to be cleaned and then we then that's when we dive in and and and uh do the the morning prayers. And the the first prayer is really interesting. It says um, "I take upon the commandment to love my neighbor." Uh, what a strange thing. And why is the first blessing, "Bless the rooster"? What's this rooster? Out of all the blessings, who is like, yeah, every day you're going to bless the rooster. Like, what? You're going to wake up and say, "Bless is the rooster. Blessed are you. Bless me." >> Yeah. Absolutely. Interesting. Yeah. That that rooster's name is actually G. Uh, the Zohar talks about >> beats on the wings in the north. [laughter]

Um, but nonetheless, nonetheless, well, this has been this has been an amazing uh amazing conversation. I definitely thank you. >> For me, too. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thank you for joining me and us here. And uh, you know, everybody who's who was commenting, pardon me for not addressing anything that was being said in the chat. I hope maybe I'll in another live stream take, you know, different questions and things and maybe address them if I can. Um, but yeah, thank you so much. This has been such a pleasure, such an honor. I hope we can do it again sometime. >> Oh, absolutely. >> Carry on with the good work. >> Have a wonderful new week. >> You too, Aki. You too. Let us speak soon. Blessings. >> Blessings.