‘What a CROCK of S***!’ Piers Morgan vs Nick Fuentes | Full interview

Whether you're a New York Times reader, an NPR fan, a Daily Wire subscriber, or an avid consumer of all things Tucker Carlson, for several months now, there's been no avoiding the subject of Nick Fuentes. And let's be clear, the main reason you're hearing about him is because he's popular. A large number of people, especially young men, are interested in what he has to say. What that says about our society and our culture is the subject of ferocious debate. For many people, it's a grave indictment of an insidious immorality. For others, he's a product of a culture which has turned on its own and left many young people feeling listless and bitter. He's either a litmus test for right-wing hypocrisy on free speech or a walking talking manifestation of where the line should be drawn. And a frankly preposterous amount of air time has been spent on debating everything from his ideology to his sexuality and whether anyone should actually talk to him at all.

If I were writing a glossary entry on the Streisand effect, I wouldn't put a picture of her next to it. I would put a picture of Nick Fuentes. They have opted to not do so when it comes to Nazis like Nick Fuentes.

>> Fuentes takes this guy apart brick by brick. It's a full takedown.

>> My concern is that people who are a bit more moderate are deeply alarmed by Nick Fuentes. I I was very happy to see that like Nick Fuentes really passed that test with flying colors.

>> That fragmentation is being caused purposefully by a splinter faction of people led by a young man named Nick Fuentes.

>> That's the war. Can you get the beef prices down, not crazy things that Nick Fuentes or these other loons say on social media?

>> Well, it looks like all the screaming about Nick Fuentes on the internet is finally dying down a little bit. So now we had on this guy, this Fuentes guy, and never challenged him.

>> Um, you should have Nick Fuentes on your show and you could ask him questions about that.

>> The truth is, it doesn't make a lot of sense to spend all this time talking about Nick Fuentes, but not actually to Nick Fuentes. People who say you shouldn't give him a platform overlook the very obvious fact that he already has a platform of his own which is often bigger than most of the people complaining and he uses it to speak unchallenged to his many followers. It's on that basis that I've invited him to appear live and uncensored on my platform and Nick Fuentes joins me now. Nick Fuentes, welcome to Uncensored.

>> Hi. Great to be with you.

>> I don't know you. I don't think we've ever met. You can correct me if that's wrong. Um, I know about you. I know that increasingly people are talking about you in a more mainstream environment uh than you may be used to. So, for those who know nothing about Nick Fuentes, I want this to be an opportunity to get to the real person. I don't know who that person is, but I do want to use this opportunity to get there. I've seen you talk as we prepared for this in exchanges with people and on your show saying if you fear it's going to be very hostile, it's going to be an ambush, all those kind of things. I don't intend it to be overtly hostile. I don't intend to ambush you. I intend it to be an examination of what you said on the record, an examination of what you believe or what you say you believe. Uh, and an examination of what your rising popularity says about the state of the conservative movement in America. So, those are my goals from this interview. What are your goals? Why are you doing it?

>> I thought it'd be interesting. And you know, you've talked a lot about me on your show over the years, and this is the first time you actually extended the invitation. I think it might be the second, actually. I think we we talked about doing it during Y24 a few years ago, but you've talked a lot about me with the panel, and now you've extended the invitation to talk to me, and I think it'd be interesting uh for me to maybe clarify some positions and maybe get to know you a little better as well. So, I'm looking forward to it.

There is a belief um that you have two personas. There's one that you roll out now for podcasts and for shows like mine where you come across as reasonable and then there's your show on Rumble where you often come across as having you know a very unreasonable view on things. This is what Coleman Hughes said about you.

>> Nick Fuentes knows exactly what he's doing. He is consciously playing this double game as part of a long-term strategy to become popular enough to take the reins of power at which point he plans to pivot towards the extreme and unpopular policies that he advocates daily on Rumble.

>> So first of all, what is your response to that?

>> Well, first of all, I would say that Coleman Hughes is a propagandist. He works for the free press which is run by Barry Weiss. So, I think that's you have to consider the source and Barry Weiss is a pro-Israel partisan. Free Press is just bought out by CBS for $150 million uh by Larry Ellison or his son David Ellison. And so, I think that's coming from a particular point of view. We can't pretend like that's coming from a vacuum or from some fixed position. That's coming from a propaganda outlet that's in favor of Israel. That's first. But second, I would say he is right about the two personas. And I think that everybody understands this on some level. On my show, I make jokes and I use rhetoric and I'm hyperbolic. Uh because for a long time, I had an audience that was small on these like dissident platforms. I was on DLive for many years. A lot of people don't even know what that is. And so I had a small following and we had sort of like an in-group sense of humor and memes and things like that. And you talk about it one way on a freewheeling live stream when I'm by myself and I'm ranting and we make jokes and um we play devil's advocate. We play with different positions. But then when you sit down in an interview like this one and people ask me a good faith question. What do you actually believe? Well, then I clarify and I say, well, here I'm not joking. Here I'm not being hyperbolic. I'm not being rhetorical. I'll tell you precisely what I believe. As far as this idea that I'm going to get power and then turn into Hitler, that just sounds totally insane to me. I'll be honest. It just sounds insane.

>> Do you have aspirations for political power?

>> Uh, not really. I I think that uh if I wanted to run for office, I wouldn't say a lot of the things that I say. I don't know that a lot of people would vote for me. I tend to offend everybody, even a lot of people that like me. Uh, so no, I I'm a truthteller. I like to tell the truth. I like to do my live stream.

>> Who is Nick Fuentes? Tell me about your upbringing. I know you grew up in in the suburbs of Chicago. Uh, tell me about your early years.

>> Or early how like my childhood or a little bit later?

>> Early childhood. Yeah.

>> Well, I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago in LaGrange Park, as you say. Uh, my parents are ethnics. Um, you know, my father's half Mexican, half Irish, my mother's Italian. And they both came from a pretty rough upbringing themselves. They both were raised by single mothers, not because of divorce, but because both of their fathers had died. Uh, they endured a lot of dysfunction and I think that's one of the reasons they came together and they related to each other and they wanted to create a normal upbringing for their children. They wanted to have a normal family life and so uh they moved out to LaGrange Park away from the city and uh they raised me and my sister and really put us first. I think that's a big reason why uh I tend to have a lot of these family values or Christian values. My mother quit her job and stayed at home to raise us. Um, and so I have a very close relationship with my parents, with my sister. We're a very tight family and we grew up in a pretty idyllic town. Uh, and maybe we can sort of get into a conversation about politics from this. I loved my upbringing. My mom stayed at home. My dad was working. We're in a mostly white suburb in Chicago. Everybody was I was maybe half Catholic, half Protestant. It was a baseball town. I played baseball for many years. Um, in Chicago, we love our hot dogs. We have our baseball parade and get a hot dog. And so, I love where I came from. I love the city. It's a working-class city. I love the people here. They're very good, humble, downto-earth, decent people. And I guess I had my political, not to jump ahead, but this is a big part of where my political awakening came from. I sort of left this bubble, if you could call it that, when I went to college in 2016. I went to Boston University and I read a lot of things online and I realized the country does not look like LaGrange Park. It doesn't look like Western Springs or Hinsdale or Elmhurst. It looks very different. The country is undergoing a radical transformation because of immigration. And so I saw that and I said, "This is not really a desirable change. I don't like the South Side of Chicago or the West Side or LA or certain parts of Boston as much as I like where I came from. And I guess that's what made me an American nationalist. I said, I want to preserve my home and the things that are familiar to me and the things I like about my home, what makes it America. Uh, so that's a little bit about my background. And I don't know where you want to go with that, but

>> Well, I suppose my first my first obvious question is were your parents immigrants to the United States or were their parents or were they grandparents? In other words, at some stage I presume there there were immigrants in your family who came to the US. Is that correct?

>> There were there were uh I believe my mother was fourth generation and my father was third generation. So, their ancestors came here on my mom's side in the 1860s, I believe, the first wave of Italian immigration. My father's ancestors, I think they came around at the turn of the century uh in 1900. So, so your view of immigration, and we'll get to the specifics about your views on immigration, are they not affected at all by the fact that if it wasn't for immigration, you wouldn't exist as an American?

>> Well, I would certainly exist, but like you said, maybe not as an American. Certainly, uh, certainly that's influenced in some measure. Um, but I think that the kind of immigration that we had for a long time in the country, it's different than the immigration that we have now. And let's just say for openers, it's different immigrants. They're coming from a different place with a different culture, a different religion. Uh, it's not the same as it was. So, first, you have a qualitative difference. My ancestors for the most part, I have three European grandparents from Ireland and Italy, one from Mexico. They came from Europe. They came from a society where there's a common ancestry. There's a common religion, common civilization. The people that have come in since '65, since Hart-Celler, they're coming from China, India, the Northern Triangle, Mexico, Venezuela. And so, first, they're just different people. Secondly, it's a quantitative difference. There's way more. And it's an unceasing, always increasing wave. For the first three or four waves of immigration, you would have a major influx of immigrants and then it would stop and then you'd have another wave and then it would stop. This one, it just keeps going up for 35 years and it's too many. So that that's really where I would draw the distinction between maybe where I originate from. I would even just simply call that immigration. What this is is an invasion. It's a completely different policy.

>> You mentioned Mexico in that list. Um, and your father is is half Mexican. So,

>> Yeah.

>> I mean, by your criteria, part of the invasion would include your father presumably and his immediate descendants who came from Mexico.

>> Not really true because when my father's ancestors came here, it was a small fraction of the total immigrants that came from Mexico. I don't believe that we should have zero immigrants forever or even zero immigrants from non-white countries. But you have to draw the distinction. My my father's father, he was here in the in the 40s and 50s. It was his parents or I believe either his parents or grandparents that came here even earlier. Up until 1965, 90% of the immigrants were coming from Europe. I have no problem with that. If we have 10% of them coming from Mexico or Latin America, maybe that's reasonable. But that's not what it is now. Now you've got 10 million illegals in four years under Joe Biden. Uh and you got millions more legal immigrants from China, India, Venezuela, El Salvador, and it's so many with no break for assimilation. And they're all from non-white countries. It's transforming what America is. And and again, that's the distinction. That's what makes it unacceptable.

>> I I always believe everybody is a product of their environment, right? I've interviewed thousands of people. I I mean it maybe three, four, five thousand people from all different walks of life, but the one common theme I would say is everyone's a product of their environment. And I I was reading some stuff about you in the last few days. There was an episode of of your podcast where you talked about your father, Bill Fuentes, and how he wouldn't take the family, including you, to certain restaurants because he believed they were associated with African-Americans. We would be deciding where to go to eat, you said. What are we going to do for dinner tonight? It was a running joke. Me and my sister would say, "Applebee's." And my dad would say, "We would never eat at Applebee's." "Not in a million years should you be caught dead," Fuentes said about Applebee's. Go to a different restaurant, a local restaurant, no Applebee's, no Red Lobster that is commonly known as Black Fair. Uh, and you also share another story about your family and restaurants said, "Before me and my sister were born, my family had a saying about Olive Garden that contains the n-word that we're not allowed to say." So my question based on that anecdote that you say on your own uh podcast is do you think you grew up in a racist environment that your father was inherently racist and that that thought process moved to you?

>> Well, I would say it's a new low. I I've been attacked for being a racist many times, but to attack my father, to attack my parents based on anecdotes, I would say that's that's sort of It's your. Hang on. It's your anecdote.

>> Yeah, but he's not here to defend himself and my parents are.

>> You told the story and I will and I'll just.

>> I'm not trying to ambush you. As I said at the start, Nick, to be clear.

>> No, it's not an ambush. To be clear, I think everybody I'm not ambushing you. I'm literally reading an anecdote that you revealed on your podcast. It's you that's put it in the public domain. Now, I'm simply asking you whether my assessment of that, which is that your father didn't want to take you to certain restaurants because of what you refer to as they were commonly known as black fair, whether that [laughter] whether that attitude to African-Americans in in that instance permeated to you. It's a reasonable question.

>> Yeah. No, like I said, I think everybody knows what that is, but I'll address it. I'll engage with it and I'll defend my father from the charge of racism. It's.

>> True. No, my parents my parents are not racist and they've never been racist. I'll tell you about my parents. They used to have a school in Chicago in the South Loop where they instructed people on how to shoot firearms. It was a security school and most of the clients were black. Um, and I believe actually one of their clients was Larry Hoover's son at one point. Sort of a funny story. And so most of their clients would come in from the South Side of Chicago. My grandmother, she grew up in the projects in the city. And so my family being in Chicago being ethnics uh being Italian, Irish, Mexican in the West Side, uh on Taylor Street, all over the city, my family for many generations have lived near and around black people. And look, my views about black people and their views about black people are shaped with experiences with black people. Uh, and and what they will tell you, what my parents would say if they were here is that for many many years, the older generations of black people were very respectful, very humble, very decent. In fact, my grandma used to have an anecdote. She grew up in a lot of dysfunction. her mother was mentally ill and they would be having dinner in the projects and there'd be so much chaos and dysfunction and disagreement and fighting and she would look across the way out the window at a black family in the other apartment and they'd be holding hands around the table saying grace. And this is sort of the culture that used to prevail. But now what you have in the city is that there's no accountability for the black people. And now Chicago has become a complete dump because these teenagers go out and they take over the city. They call them teen takeovers. Uh, that's the euphemism for it. They're teenagers, but they all come from the same neighborhood. They drive up there and they mug people and attack people and they destroy cars and destroy shops. We had the Festival of Lights a couple of weeks ago. It's supposed to be a family event and they light up the trees and they, you know, there's a big parade. I was in the parade one year and you had a bunch of black people there shooting each other. Seven people shot, a 14-year-old killed in the Magnificent Mile. And and I know there's a lot of black people that feel the same way about this. They say, "We've lost control of the city, and we're looking for accountability." We have a lot of black people that are always outraged about racism, outraged about attitudes from white people, but they're never ashamed of some of these behaviors, never ashamed of some of the things that go on. And that's why I think there's a lot of negative attitudes these days. And so, you know, again, I think those attitudes, you say, "I'm a product of my environment." I I am, and so are my parents and my grandparents, unlike you, because you're not even American. In Chicago, we have to live in a in a big diverse city where there's a lot of different kinds of people. And um I don't think anybody tell you the same.

>> I live in I live in London. It's one of the most of the biggest and most diverse cities in the world.

>> But it's not the same.

>> Well, actually, it's a big it's a big diverse city. The only difference is we don't have the gun violence because we don't have guns. That's a whole different story. I don't want to get into that with you. I have got into that before.

>> We got a knife problem. He got sword problems.

>> We have we have problems. We have problems with violent crime. I make no pretense of it. So the idea that somehow I'm cosseted in London because I'm not in Chicago. Say that.

>> Well, you kind of implied it, but I guess my point about the environment, I'm not saying you are a product of your environment. I'm saying most people are in some capacity. When I read that anecdote, it's just to remind you is it's not something I have put out there. You told this story, right? And you said that.

>> You said this. We're looping. You said this.

>> No, but you haven't really directly, I think, responded to it, which is whether your father would not take you to certain restaurant chains because he associated them with black Americans. Is that true?

>> No. Well, see, here, if you're in America, you would say that Olive Garden is not real Italian food. Applebee's, TGI Fridays, this stuff is a load of crap. My dad was just a food snob, but no, it's got nothing to do with that. My best friend in first grade was a black guy. We are not we're not a racist family. So.

>> Okay. So, when you told the story, I'm just curious. So, when you told that anecdote, which clearly on the face of it is racist, right? You're you're basically saying your father made racist decisions about where you would go as a family to eat. Are you saying.

>> Well, well, I'm just going to ask you a question. Are you saying that when you told that story, you didn't mean to infer that he was racist? And do you understand why when somebody like me reads that anecdote for the first time, as I did this week, I reach a different conclusion?

>> Well, I understand what you're doing, which is a sort of making of a murderer. How did he become racist? Well, his father didn't read because he said that's not real Italian food. Hang on. Can I read? Can I explain?

>> I'm literally reminding you of something you said on your show which led me which led me to conclude a certain thing. I'm wrong. Tell me.

>> Yeah, it it was said and just as a humorous anecdote and now you're trying to spin it into a narrative which is his parents are racist. He comes from a long line of racist. Uh, and I think everybody knows our parents my parents are boomers.

>> Mhm.

>> And these people come. Well, you're a boomer, I guess, too, in a way, right? You were born in what, 19. Yeah. So, you're a boomer also. Or maybe you're a Gen Xer. I suppose it's sort of on the cusp. Uh, but it's a humorous anecdote. These are kind of the attitudes of baby boomers in society. But you're trying to spin it into a narrative which is you're a product of your environment. Your dad's racist because of this joke. Now you're a racist. And I don't think that's a fair characterization.

>> Okay. People can make their own minds up. They can they can go back and listen to you say it. I mean, the the beauty of what I'm going to talk to you about in this interview is that almost all of it is just going to be reminding you what you have said and asking you what you meant. Your position about that story is that it was a joke. Okay. Um, I want to come to to something else you said. Uh, this is where you talk about Jews, women, and blacks. Let's just take a listen.

>> They're always coming up with no, it's not the Jews. No, it's not women. No, it's not blacks. It's actually really complicated. No, it [ __ ] isn't at all. Jews are running society. Women need to shut the [ __ ] up. Blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part. And we would live in paradise. It's that simple.

>> Okay. Would you like to clarify what you meant there?

>> That's all true. That's 100% true. Everything I said in that clip is true.

>> Including that uh blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part.

>> Uh, yeah. Yes.

>> Well, all of them.

>> No, for the most part.

>> What does the most part mean? What percentage of American blacks would you like to see in prison?

>> Uh, whatever the percentages of the murderers, I think it's one in 20 black men will commit a murder in their lifetime. So maybe let's say that 5%.

>> Oh, so you're talking about black people who murder people. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

>> But you didn't say that. You just said blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part. You didn't clarify that. You were talking about black murderers.

>> Right. Right. No, you're right. That's a good addition to that. That's a great point.

>> You think it's Do you think it's funny or.

>> I think Yeah, I do. I think it's hilarious. I think it's totally true.

>> Do you think a black American would find it funny? You think that that blacks should be imprisoned for the most part.

>> Blacks are my biggest fans. I get high fives all the time. They say, "Nick Fuentes, I love your show." They agree with me. And you want to know why?

>> Here's the difference. Black people are the most victimized by other black people. You think black people want to live in the hood and the ghetto and get shot all the time? That's what happens in the South Side of Chicago. You should come here. I'll take you there. We could go to Garfield Park.

>> Went to Chicago University for a year actually several years ago.

>> Yeah. That's a bubble. That's a bubble. You think you're in Chicago and Hyde Park? You don't know Chicago. Go a little bit west. See what it's like over there. And I'll tell you, black people agree with me because they're tired of it, too. And maybe not most of them, but a lot of them agree with what I say about that because they know how it is. That's why the first thing they do when they make a little bit of money is they go and leave to another neighborhood.

>> Okay. So, what was Just remind me again the percentage of black men who commit murder in America? What was the percentage you gave me?

>> It's one in 20. One in 20.

>> It's It's one in a hundred.

>> No, it's one in 20.

>> No. No. Less than one in a hundred black US men commit murder. That's the most up-to-date crime statistics in America.

>> That's not true. I I've seen other statistics. They say one in 20 will eventually commit a murder. I.

>> Your rate means that you're you're saying that five times as many black men commit murder as the official crime statistics say.

>> Yeah. There's a report, I believe, on X by Data Hazard. I'll have to go and double check that for you, but yes, there's some pretty shocking evidence that says that it's far more alarming than you would think. Okay. But you you would accept that the official crime statistics are one in a hundred or you wouldn't accept that statistic?

>> I don't know. I don't have it in front of me. But I've seen other evidence. Like I said, Data Hazard on X, I believe, produced a report about a year ago. It said one in 20. But I mean, whether it's one in 20 or one in a hundred, that's a lot of people, peers. I mean.

>> A lot of white people commit murder, too.

>> Well, they do, don't they?

>> Okay. But it's about it's about proportionality. I mean, white people are 65% of the population. Blacks are 13%.

>> Mhm.

>> And I think anybody would tell you that more black people proportionally commit violent crime than white people. And people vote with their feet. People would rather pay a much higher property tax.

>> Most with the interruptions.

>> I'm sorry.

>> Thank you. I appreciate that. You know, you look at in Chicago, in New York, these neighborhoods are so stratified. People would rather pay a high tax rate. They'd rather pay a much higher property value to live in a less diverse, less black neighborhood because they don't want to live around the violence. And I think that when you look at even on the public transit, the subway, the blue line, you know, people don't want to go there because they know who occupies and menaces the public transit, it is uh these people like Daniel Penny had to deal with. It's people like Jordan Neely had to deal with. And uh and that's just the uncomfortable reality.

>> You've also said you don't want to live near black people. Well, let's take a listen to this clip.

>> I'm a new generation of white person. I'm not living around blacks. Sorry. You know, I want white kids and I don't want my white kids bringing home black people to marry. It's racial for me. And call me racist. Oh, very Christian to you. I don't give a [ __ ].

>> I mean, it couldn't be clearer really. Um, unless you want to say that's another of your jokes, but you're basically saying, "Yeah, I'm a racist, aren't you?"

>> Uh, yeah. Yeah, I'm fine with that.

>> You're fine with saying you're a racist.

>> Totally. I think everybody's racist. I think everybody, if we're being honest, is racist? I think everybody, the only people that aren't racist or or pretend not to be are white people to their detriment. Everybody else is racist. But you spent you earlier in the interview you you went really aggrieved at the idea that your father was a racist. You you wanted to make emphatic.

>> My father's.

>> He's not.

>> Because my father doesn't share my same views on that.

>> So he's the exception to the everyone's a racist.

>> Well, everybody's a little bit racist. You're right. So maybe everybody the difference is you're attacking my father. You know, he can get fired from his job.

>> I'm not attacking your father. I No, I'm not. I don't know your father. And to be clear, I I have no knowledge about him at all. Other.

>> But let's leave him out of it. Let's leave him out of it if you don't know him.

>> Hang on, Nick. You put that story into the public domain on your show. I'm simply reminding you of what you told everybody, millions of people, about your father. If you now want to retract it, fine. If you want to say it was a joke, which is what your position was earlier, fine. But I'm allowed to put to you things you said publicly. That's not unfair. That's not me targeting your father. You put that story about him out there. You know what you're doing. You know what you're doing.

>> I'm asking you about a pretty shocking anecdote which to me looked like you were saying your father made decisions about where you as a family would eat based on skin color of people who worked at these places. If you say or use them if you say that is not what you meant, that's fine. You can respond any way you like. But the idea I can't ask you about it without you saying I'm attacking your father is ridiculous.

>> Well, you are and you know what you're doing. And there's a political culture in America where if you have the wrong views, you get fired from your job. And my father has a job. And if you go on here and say you charge him with racism or something and I'm put in a position where I don't look like I'm sticking to my guns if I don't say my father's a racist, you're putting him in jeopardy and he's not here to defend himself or explain his views. And it's very low. And uh and I think you know exactly what you're doing and people can see what you're doing. I'll defend my views and I think that, you know, so let's leave him out of it. Let's just not talk about my father because my father isn't here. I'm here.

>> Well, then do you accept that you shouldn't talk about it?

>> Listen, that's fine. But then do you accept you shouldn't talk about your father on your show and you shouldn't tell?

>> Absolutely not. Absolutely not.

>> So, it's fine for you to put a story out there which would make most people who listened to that story or watched it at the time on your show conclude that he was racist. It's fine for you to do that, but if I then ask you about it, I'm the one who's being unfair and I've crossed a line. Is that what you're saying?

>> Yes. Yes. You're being malicious.

>> Okay, that's fine. That's fine. Listen, people are watching this live. They can draw their own conclusions about whether what I just did.

>> They will. Yeah. And I'm sure afterwards, by the way, you'll say, "He ambushed me with your."

>> With your own with your own words.

>> That's a little presumptuous. I'm not going to say it's an ambush, but I think that's a low blow and I think you know what you're doing and and that's fine. You're a tabloid journalist. I expected that. I don't think it's an ambush because I knew it would be like this. And people will see what you're doing and I think they'll say it's low. But as far as you want to talk about racism, let's talk about racism. Let's leave my head.

>> Look, you've admitted you're a racist.

>> Correct?

>> Yes. 100%. Own it.

>> Okay, that's fine. You're perfectly entitled in a free democratic society to stare down the barrel of his camera and tell me you're a racist. People can judge you accordingly. Many people many people who have assumed that you're racist will now have heard it from your own lips. That's fine.

>> There you go.

>> That's the point. The point of this interview is to go over the things you've said which have led people to reach conclusions about you and to ascertain whether those conclusions are fair and reasonable or not. That's it. I want to play you another clip. This is where you talk about why white people are justified in being racist. Let's take a listen to this.

>> First, white people are every single bit justified in being racist. Every single bit justified to the extent that that means going out of your way to avoid black people when you see them.

>> Can you stand by that?

>> Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely.

>> So, white people should go out of their way to avoid black people when they see them.

>> Absolutely. They would be wise.

>> Why?

>> Because it's a lose-lose proposition. If you're Irina Zerutska and you don't walk the other way, you get stabbed to death and you die.

>> If you're somebody else and you walk on the subway and you stand near a black person or something, maybe it's fine. Uh, it's a lose-lose proposition. Um, so no, I I think that white people I think that white people have been beaten into submission that we're afraid to tell the truth about it. And the truth is that when you go into these major cities like New York or Chicago, I believe she was in North Carolina. There is a menace which is young black adolescent men. They're extremely violent and we have been told that we have to pretend like they are every other person. We have to be colorblind to that and we're supposed to go and and be in the midst of all this danger. And I think that at this point it's gone out of control. You look at the BLM movement, they said that the reason that black people um, you know, are violent or the reason there's crime is because of police brutality, redlining, or all these other things. They said we need to get rid of the police. We need to defund them. And a lot of cities did. A lot of cities like Chicago, for example, the police change the rules of engagement. They don't chase them. It's not a felony if you steal a certain amount of merchandise. They won't chase them on foot. And now the city's totally up for grabs. And now whether you're in the Gold Coast or whether you're on the Mag Mile or you're in the worst neighborhoods in the city, you might get shot, you might get mugged, someone might run up on you. And and I tell my followers, it is better to be perceived as racist or racist and walk the other way and maybe keep your life than to say, "I'm a good anti-racist. I don't mind that this person's making me uncomfortable. Maybe he's looking a little froggy. I'm going to sit down because I'm a good person," and get stabbed, mugged, whatever. And by the way, this is a strategy. They call it the friendly stranger. There's a crew of them. They do this in Chicago. They stand outside bars, black people. They approach strangers. It's a robbery crew. And they pretend to be a friendly stranger and then they mug them. And stupid white people say, "Oh, hi. Yeah, nice to meet you." You know, they grin, they laugh, they put up with the nonsense, and then they get mugged or worse. Sometimes they get executed. And so, as a white person.

>> How do you feel? How do you feel about mass shootings at school?

>> I think they're bad.

>> Who do you think commits mo the vast majority of the mass shootings?

>> I'm sure it's white people.

>> Right. So, how do you feel about that?

>> I think that white people do more antisocial violence. I think black people participate in more gang violence. I think that's the difference.

>> What's the difference to the victims?

>> Uh, there's no difference to the victim, but it's a different kind of crime and it's a different proportion. Also, do you know what percentage of white people are school shooters?

>> Uh, I know that the vast majority of mass shootings in schools in America this century were perpetrated by young white men. And I'm just proportion of proportion I'm curious I'm curious I'm curious whether your advice would be to people who have kids working.

>> Should they should proportion should they should they avoid.

>> Should they avoid white people at school? Should people with the kids at school avoid young white men at school?

>> No.

>> Okay.

>> Do you know do you know what per capita means? Do you know proportionality? There are more black people proportionally that engage in violent crime or are involved in gangs, especially in these major cities, than there are white people that are school shooters compared to the entire white population. And everybody understands that.

>> Two-thirds of mass shootings at school perpetrated by white people.

>> But what proportion of white men commit school shootings? That's the question.

>> I've just told you it's 60 to 65% of school shootings by white. You're telling me what proportion of school shootings are committed by white people? I'm saying what proportion of white people have committed school shootings.

>> Are you playing dumb or you just not that.

>> What difference does that make to the to the children lying dead on the ground?

>> See, now you want to jump on the victims. The difference is you're asking would you fear white people.

>> Or black people? And that's the difference.

>> No, I'm not. What I'm saying to you is by your by your logic, if if we now have agreed that the vast majority of mass shootings in schools are committed by white people and predominantly young white men, then presumably your advice would be to avoid young white men because they betray these massacres. But it won't be because they're white,

>> right?

>> So So are you playing dumb or are you actually dumb? Maybe proportionality. You are. You are because you're well, I don't think you are dumb. I think you're smart actually. But you're deliberately avoiding per capita and everybody knows that's the difference. What proportion of white men are school shooters? It's probably 0.1%. What proportion of black men have committed violent crimes? It's probably like 5%. I guess I don't know what it is off the top of my head, but it's very high. And I would add to that even as it concerns schools. Why do you think parents pay a super high property tax to live in a school district where there's white people? Because they know that if they go to the black school, it's going to be the Bloods and the Crips. It's going to be gangs. It's going to be, you know, you talk about school shootings. Nobody talks about all the school shootings that are committed by gangbangers in and around the school and all the other violence that's associated with that. I mean, these these schools in the South Side of Chicago, you know, it's just not.

>> I have another word for you, uh, Nick. So the proportion of the population who carry out mass shootings is actually the same for black and white.

>> For white people. The proportion of.

>> Are you hearing it?

>> No. No.

>> I think the problem with your statistics is a lot of them don't bear much scrutiny. We have a bunch of fact-checkers checking all this in real time because you do have a tendency to just come out with a load of old baloney and when you say, you know.

>> Okay.

>> Well, it's true.

>> And when you're confronted with [laughter] we're not confronted with reality. You don't like it.

>> What's the figure? What proportion of white people have committed school shootings?

>> With white people as the denominator and white people that have committed school shootings as the numerator, what's that percentage?

>> For both black and whites? The proportion of the population who carry out mass shootings generally is about the same.

>> No, no, tell me the number. And then and then.

>> And yet and yet your only the only focus of your attention.

>> Is the black shootings, the black crime. You don't want to live around black people. You want to avoid black people. You don't want interracial marriages or relationships that may produce black people. And yet when I point out to you that there are many parts of crime in America where actually there's a majority of white people that perpetrate them, you don't care. You don't have any interest in that. It doesn't exercise your mind.

>> Maybe because no one's buying this argument. Lost. No, no one is buying this. Everybody understands per capita. And people could even see what you're you race ahead and say, "Well, we're comparing the proportion of white and black school shooters." I said, "No, no. Compare the proportion of school shooters that are white versus violent criminals that are black." Because that was the basis of the monologue is that you're very likely if you encounter black people or a young black man in the city that you're going to be the victim of a violent crime of a a robbery, a mugging, a car theft, a carjacking or a murder. That's [clears throat] the difference. And it's about proportionality and everybody sees past that because we all live in reality. You want to talk about product of your environment, people that live in New York, Chicago, LA, we live in reality. We live in this environment. We see what it's like and the threat the danger in terms of probability is not it's not even comparable. And I would add I would say this to your point if you're in a high school and you and truly if you see a white person who looks like a little autistic, he's got the SSRI stare and he reaches for a backpack, people joke and say run. Similarly, if you see a jalopy pulling up with a bunch of black people in it and they got their pants around the ankles, you're going to run also. And I'm saying the same thing. The difference is the latter happens much more often. It's much more common. You know, in Chicago, there's like 10,000 carjackings and car thefts every day. It's in the thousands. It happens all the time. How many mass shootings committed by autistic SSRI white people? I don't even know. I mean, it's probably in the single digits in the last decade in this city. That's the difference. And everybody knows that. But you're you're you're really just trying to carry water for liberal ideology. It's an ideological.

>> No, I'm I'm really not. I can absolutely say yes, there is way too much black on black crime, for example, involving guns in Chicago. White also.

>> Yes, but there is way too much gun violence in Chicago, right? I mean, it's there's no it's indisputable. I've got no problem saying that. The difference is I don't then lead myself into a thought process where I have to avoid all black people in case they shoot me. And you've already conceded that you are a racist. So when people hear you then say, "I don't want to be living anywhere near black people," they already have heard you say, "I'm a racist." So they assume you're doing that because of people's skin color. I don't think you would probably dispute that, right?

>> Well, you you're separating two different things. The monologue when I said I don't want to live around black people. That was after Irina Zerutska got shot and it's true. I mean, they are they are a largely in this city in Chicago, the South Side, the West Side.

>> Huge criminal population and I don't want to live anywhere near it and and I do I want to live in a white neighborhood. I I think that uh that's extremely desirable and I think even black people.

>> Again, Nick, you're perfectly entitled to that view, but when you have obviously prefaced all this by saying I am a racist unashamedly, then people will assume that all your thought processes about all of these issues are driven by an aversion to people based on their skin color, which is the purest personification of racism.

Well, it's not it's not an aversion. I would say it's the opposite. Um, I I like my own people. My own people are familiar to me. And I think that's true across the board. I think that uh people seek out other people that are like themselves. And every other group does this, whether it's blacks, Hispanics, Asians. You know, I I get a lot of attacks when I talk about that I'm against interracial marriage. And what's funny is that every other group is against interracial or interethnic marriage.

Jews, you're the product of you're the product of an interracial marriage. Yeah, I mean that's debatable and for the sake of argument. No, no, you're the product of an interracial marriage and your father is part Mexican. You're literally for the sake of the very person you've just told me you want to avoid.

What What race is Hispanic? Is that a race? Well, what do you think it is? I'm asking you. What race is Hispanic? Hispanic? Of of course it's a race. It's called Hispanic. It's a mix between two races. It's a mix between indigenous Americans. It's not white, though, is it? It's not white. Well, you're apparently you're more of a racial purist than me. You got like Oh, really? You just keep saying you only want to live in a white neighborhood, but you're literally from a mixed race background yourself. You've literally thickened blood. I know. And I live in a non-white neighborhood, too. I'm trying to get out of here, though. But I'm [laughter] trying to get out. But here's the thing. Do you have any non-white Do you have any non-white friends? genuine question.

Most of my friends are non-white. Most of my friends are And non-white people love my show. How many are the honest? How many of your friends are black? Many of them. Like at least a dozen. Wow. Yay. Yay being one who you know, Sneo being another who you also know.

Um, so how do they feel when you say you just want to be away from any black people? Walk away from them. Well, you know, you know what Yay told me? I'll tell you verbatim what he said that it doesn't come from a place of and you use the word aversion. That's the first thing I'll I'll actually dispute.

Okay. It's not an aversion on the basis of skin color because that that would seem to suggest it's um like a stubborn irrational bigotry. I don't consider myself a bigot. I consider myself a racial realist. I'm realistic about how the races are and and I speak provocatively about it. And I speak provocatively about our tribalistic instincts and tendencies as human beings and and I'm not a liberal ideologue that says that over time and with enough education, we're all going to see this great brotherhood. We're we're colorblind and everybody's the same. You know, I don't think that's ever going away. I think that race is real. It's not just skin deep. It matters to us and it matters to each other. And I'm and black people know that. and Hispanics know that and Asians know that uh and and people like me that that have partial Mexican ancestry, we know that too. And I think on that basis, we can have mutual respect and understanding. Um not not aversion based on skin color.

The reason I use the word aversion is you literally said that you should walk the other way. If you see black people, that is an aversion to black people based on their skin color. Oh, no. No. That's called economy of information. That's economy of information. That's safety. And and I feel I said in the same monologue, if you watch it, it's like I feel sorry, the problem is you clipped the 10 seconds. I don't know if you watch the whole show, but in that monologue I said most black people are not violent or criminals. I said, "And it's unfortunate that we're going to offend them when we turn and walk the other way." I said, "But the problem is we don't know. We can't tell." And someone like Ina Zeruska, she sat down in front of a black man with her headphones in and wasn't paying attention because she was being a good liberal and said, "I'm not uncomfortable by this. I'm progressive." Then she got stabbed in the neck. And I said, "It's unfortunate that you you would have to sit behind the black man to be safe and if he's not violent or schizophrenic, he might be offended by that." I said, but I would ask how many how many deranged how many deranged white men have committed atrocious acts of murder in the last 10 years in America? Proportionally far fewer. Far fewer. How many? Do you know how many? You have a research team. You pull it up.

You're very big on you're obviously extremely exercised by that one story which was horrific for the record. Absolutely horrific and should never have happened. the person who perpetrated that evil act had a string of previous offenses and should have been picked up more and it should have been amplified more. I completely concur with all of that. But I don't I just suspect you have no idea how many white people have committed similar crimes. Do you? No, because I know it's far fewer from experience because it's like you said well and hang on and I would add to that you know Zerutuska wasn't the first one. That was also after Austin Metaf was killed in Texas after How many times has it been perpetrated by white people? Well, hang on. Let me finish my point. But you're implying that white people don't do this. And my point to you, neglect, is of course, of course, I never said white people don't care. Of course, deranged white people commit heinous acts. But you don't either know you either you neither know nor care or maybe both. Maybe you do know care. you only seem to be focused on black people who commit crimes. And again, if you hadn't prefaced the whole debate about racism by openly conceding you are a racist, I could read other connotations into what you've been saying. But once you said, "I'm a racist," and then you only talk about black crime, I think people can watch this and they can say, "Yeah, he is. He's a racist." And everything that he says about crime is driven through the prism of being a racist who judges people according to their skin color.

Well, it's funny because it's quite on the contrary, and I said this in a similar monologue. You know, the problem is not that I wake up and I walk down the street and I see someone that doesn't look like me and it makes me angry. The problem is there's a pattern of behavior, which we've all seen. Blacks in America have become narcissistic. and they become narcissistic because they've been told they're victims of racism. They're victims of slavery. They've been told really there's no accountability. If they're rude, if they're inconsiderate, if they're criminal, they are told that they have no agency for their actions. They're being told if if you act in this way, it's because the white man made you that way. It's because the system's rigged against you. And so, we have been telling black people this for a generation. And now there's no rules. Now they go and what we hate to see as as decent people, not even as white people, but decent people, even black people, too. What we hate to see is rudeness, obnoxiousness, inconsideration, criminality, violence, and and that's that pattern of behavior that we see all over social media on the footage.

You don't like you don't like black people who play the victim and are rude. Is that your position? I don't like that pattern of behavior. And you are narcissists. I see where this is going. Yeah. Are you going to turn this around on me? You're ahead of me, aren't you? Cuz you when I said, "What black friends have you got?" You said, "I'm I am kind of black, aren't I?" No, not that. You said I'm not saying you. I'm just saying your choice of black friend is yay, who is arguably the number one black victimhood narcissist in America. Do you understand the problem? So he's your friend. He's one of the very few black people you want to be associated with, but he's the epitome of what you just said you abhor about narcissistic black people.

I disagree. I disagree with you. And I'll tell you why. Because yay, if you've ever met him in real life, I have. Yeah. Okay. Well, then you know he's nothing but polite, considerate. He was very rude to me the last two times I interviewed him. He's a supreme he's a supreme narcissist. And he's also You keep interrupting me. You're very rude. Are are you black? Cuz you're being very rude by interrupting me right now to you. I'm I'm giving you a hard time. But I look I do want to finish my point. I I do want to finish my point about Yay. He is a guy who when I was with him wanted to make sure that everybody was heard, everybody felt included. He's actually a very soft-spoken guy, very polite, and by the way, not violent. When you look at all the rappers that are in the music game, many of them, especially from Chicago, drill rap, they're talking about killing people, shooting people. They gang bang. He notably, if you know about him, he got his start because he was a nerd. He wore a backpack and a polo and he wasn't a gang banger. He wrapped about his feelings and girls and his dreams and his ambitions. So, no. And by the way, he would tell me all the time he doesn't even feel black. They make him feel not black because he doesn't do those things. Because he's soft-spoken. Because he's artistic. Because he's a bit of a nerd or likes fashion. So, I would disagree. He's he's actually not like that at all. What we're talking about he's also he's also a Hitler loving anti-Semite. And we're going to take a little commercial break here and we're going to come back about and talk about anti-Semitism and your views about Jewish people and indeed what Y said about the same subject matter. Angel Studios are back with a new must-see documentary. It's called Thank You Dr. Fouchy and you're going to hear a lot more about it over the next few months. Award-winning filmmaker Jenna First digs into the origins of COVID 19. A possible bio arms race with China and claims about history's biggest public health cover up. It's not a right-wing film or a left-wing film. It's a film about transparency, which is something we should all care about. First pulls over documents and interrogates scientists, intelligence professionals, and whistleblowers. It's being described as Oppenheimer meets outbreak. And if you've ever wondered what really happens behind closed doors, you'll want to see it. Angel Studios is powered by his guild members voting on real stories. You can find out more at angel.com/perseers. Become a member stream. Thank you Dr. Fouchy and be part of a conversation demanding truth and accountability.

Okay, back with Nick Fuentes. Let's just turn to anti-Semitism. Uh in your interview with Steven Crowder last week, you answered emphatically that you don't hate all Jews. Is is that correct? That's your position. Yes. Okay. Um, so I want to play you this clip. I don't hate any Jews. Let me just amend that. I don't hate any Jews. Okay. Okay. Let's let's play this clip. The reason I've had it is because my opposition to world Jewry and Israel is rooted in absolute uncontestable fact. We have the truth on our side. That's why we're winning because we are telling the truth about the historical antagonism between Jews and Europeans, between Jews and Christians. The theological, historical, racial, cultural, and political antagonisms between organized Jewry and the Christians. Organized Jewry and Europeans. And the reason that we are winning that argument is because it's real. It's true. I can prove it. I can show you. I can name the names. I can show you the paper trail, the money. That is why we're winning. That is why all of this is raising the consciousness.

When you say you have this opposition to world Jewry, I mean, it's one thing to criticize, for example, the Israeli government over what it's been doing in Gaza. I've done that myself. When you talk about world Jewry, I presume you're talking about the 15 million Jews in the world and you are opposed to them. How does that square with your position that you don't hate any Jews? Well, do you take issue with my use of the term world Jewry? Well, what do you mean by that? Well, do you take issue with it? Do you have a problem with that? Clarify what you mean by it. Well, it's funny you bring that up. The gaslighting is crazy because I use that expression on my show all the time. I say organized Jewry, world Jewry. And do you know that for like 30 years, the World Jewish Congress has an annual keynote called the State of World Jewry. Barry Weiss has given it. You can look it up. It's on YouTube. She gives the State of World. But Nick, what do you mean by it? I mean you have to talk about you know there's a concept of Jewish peoplehood. It's the sense that they are part of a common nationality, a common tribe, a common people. And so where they reside in Israel, the United States or Europe or elsewhere, they see each other um above or maybe on a different level alongside their their uh nationality, their um you know, their state, wherever they reside. If they're in Germany, France, the United States, they see themselves as part of a transnational nation, of an international nation. uh the Jews in America, the Jews in Israel, they they identify as Israeli or American, but they also have something in common. They identify as part of a common nation, which I would say there's a world Jewish population. It's World Jewry. And World Jewry has representatives. Uh there is such a thing as the World Jewish Congress where they actually elect, it's democratic, all the local Jewish organizations elect representatives to represent proportionally the Jewish population in their area at the World Jewish Congress. And it's sort of like Davos. It's like the World Economic Forum, but it's exclusively for members of the Jewish nation that exists across the world. And so, uh that's a real thing. And I didn't make that up and that didn't come from 4chan. It's like I said in that clip, I read what they write. I read their books. I watch these speeches. I watch a speech from Barry Weiss. I pay very close attention. So that's what I mean by that. There is such a thing as it's a nation that exists across borders on a global scale. They're organized and they have a a national self-interest as that nation, as that tribe.

So So if you don't hate any Jews, what do you like about them? I like a lot of things about them. I think they're funny. I think they're smart. Um I I think that they're they're pretty remarkable people. And as Christians, especially as Catholics, we say they're remarkable. Uh and this has been adjudicated in in Catholic doctrine for thousands of years. We say that they're a witness people. And so we actually, you know, there's provisions inside of Catholic doctrine that says we need to give them special protections because they were a witness to Christ's passion. So uh you know, this is why you can't clip the show. You have to watch the whole thing. I say this repeatedly in interviews. I do think they're remarkable. I by definition they're exceptional people. It's just that there is there is a a sort of natural opposition between them and Christians because of the theology. We believe that Christ is the Messiah. They don't. They have been a minority in Christian lands for thousands of years. And they have been pushed around and expelled and they've been persecuted and segregated. And that's why there's a lot of paranoia, there's a lot of distrust. Um there there's maybe some sense of chauvinism among Jewish people. Um so there is, like I said in that clip, there is an historical antagonism between these two peoples, between Christendom and Jewry, and that has always been the case in Europe. But I I don't hate them, and I think I actually sort of understand them in a weird way. I think that because I've studied a lot of their politics, I think I really kind of know them in a way. It doesn't come from a place of hatred.

Do you have any Jewish friends? I do. I have many. Yes. But that's weird because you said this. Jews and Christians have never been friends. Ever. Not since Jesus Christ fought with the Pharisees. Have we ever been friends? Not since Saul was leading the charge, persecuting the Christians. Not since the Roman Empire. Not since the Middle Ages. Never. We've never been friends. We've never been allies. We've always been set against each other actually. And even here in the United States, it was communist Jews who were the architects of both communism and the civil rights laws that are dispossessing white Christians of their land and civilization.

The Jews and Christians have never been friends ever except for you and your Jewish friends. Yeah. So easy. As peoples, as peoples, as nations. Got it. Not not saying every individual Christian and of course there have been Christians in there have been Christian converts to Judaism Jewish converts to Christian you're nodding your head but you're asking this I'm saying as peoples they've never been as a I'm a Catholic like you and I have many Jewish friends and I'm just trying to compute what you're trying to say which is Jews and Christians have never been friends ever. And I'm like well you have Jewish friends I have Jewish friends. We're both Catholics. Therefore we're Christians. It's all doesn't really quite add up. Well, like I said, as peoples, there has been an historical antagonism as peoples, and you could even say the same about um blacks in the United States. Of course, there were black and white people that were friendly with each other, but in many ways, they were set against each other as groups, and I think that's easy enough to understand.

The reason that many people think you're anti-Semitic is that you have regularly downplayed the Holocaust and in particular the number of Jewish people who were murdered by the Nazis. Um it's been said that you believe no more than several hundred thousand have been killed. And I'm going to play you this clip. People talk about, well, you know what about the gas chambers? Well, to the extent that that's real, I find that hard to believe, but to the extent that's real, there have been atrocities committed and genocides committed in all times in all places. Let's acknowledge why Hitler casts the long shadow because that confers a political benefit upon Jews. That's why it doesn't really sound correct to me. Wait a second. takes 1 hour to cook a batch of cookies and you have 15 ovens probably in four different kitchens, right? Doing 24 hours a day every day for 5 years. How long would it take you to make 6 million? H I don't know. It certainly wouldn't be 5 years, right? Uh the math doesn't seem to add up there.

You think that's funny? It's funny. It's amusing what you're doing because uh you know that one was a joke, but do you want to talk seriously about the holiday? Yeah, I do actually. I mean, I do because I just find it extraordinary that you would think the Holocaust could ever be something that we could joke about. Why too soon? Is it too soon to make jokes? H how how many people do you think died in the Holocaust? How many Jewish people? Um I I don't know. I'm thinking maybe 7 million. What's the number? 76 million, something like that. So you you 8 million. You can see that six million Jews died in the Holocaust, possibly more, possibly. You know, we're discovering all the time. Um, so it could maybe even be more than that.

So why why have you doubted the numbers in the past? I'll tell you why. Um, I really think that every death is a tragedy, however many Jewish people died in the Holocaust. Uh, and I'm not a World War II historian, so I'm actually open to believing the official narrative. And I've read some of the conspiracy theories. And to tell you the truth, it's a rigorous debate. But you know what's interesting about this is in many countries it's not even legal to talk about it. And that's really where my interest in the Holocaust begins and sort of ends to tell you the truth is that if you wanted to question the number, you would be put in jail in about what is it 17 or 18 European countries. And I think that's really the more interesting conversation which is that this is almost like a a religious dogma in the west. No other genocide, no other atrocity is treated like this. Could you imagine if in the United States they said the number of Palestinians killed in Gaza is 100,000 and if you don't say that you're going to jail, you're banned on X. You can't have a job. That's the part that's totally insane. And a lot of people, they can't even make up their minds. I think it's actually done a disservice if your goal if, and I'm not saying you as Piers Morgan, but if your goal, if you're an advocate for awareness about this, if your goal is to convince everybody that this is the way the Holocaust happened, I think the last thing you'd want to do is say that everyone that disagrees is in jail and is banned and you're not allowed to say it. So, there's really been no open debate about the subject since the scholarship started to be produced about 60 years ago.

There is no there is no debate to be had about the number of people who were murdered. Even the Nazis, even the Nazis in the trials after the war confirmed the numbers. The amount of documentation that was recovered, notwithstanding the attempts by the Nazis to destroy it, the amount of documentation that was saved and preserved and used for trials of historical record is unprecedented in the history of mass slaughter of human beings. So we have a very clear idea of how many people were gassed to death in the gas chambers. We have a very clear idea of how many were starved to death, were kept in ghettos died of disease, of forced labor, of death marches. We know how many Jews were slaughtered. It's at least 6 million. Uh what's interesting to me is that you appear to now concede that which may be news to a lot of your regular viewers who have constantly heard you quibble with the number of Jews who died in the Holocaust. And for the record, just to confirm what I think you told me, you do now accept that at least 6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust. Well, no. I I said it could be it could even be higher than that. Well, it could be higher. That is I think it's at least it is at least oh it's at least 6 million but it could be 100 times more people are going to be okay the people are going to be But let me respond to your let me respond to the rest of your question. What you're saying I understand where you're coming from when you say it has been documented and there are confessions and so on let that speak for itself but you don't see you know your show is called Piers Morgan uncensored but the United Kingdom is censored and Europe is censored and if you talk about these things, you will be put in jail in many countries. And I think that's where a lot of people start to say, well, if the truth is so clear and if there's such overwhelming evidence, why do you need to throw people in jail for disagreeing? And you yourself said, well, there is no debate. I think everything is debatable. I think everything at least should be debated. And if the evidence is very one-sided, let the evidence speak. Don't throw people in jail. So, do you think that Holocaust denial laws should be overturned? I don't particularly agree with Holocaust denial laws. I don't think people should be imprisoned. Well, because I have a blanket view now, which has evolved slightly actually over the years, that I have a blanket view that speech should not be criminalized, right? People should be allowed to say what they want to say and they should be then made accountable for what they say. If you have an employer, they can make a view about whether you are the right kind of person they want for their employment as they would make a decision about anything else you do in life. So I actually believe that speech should never be criminalized. It's my personal view. I understand why in places like Germany they have strong laws about it because they want to move on from what they believe was the most shameful moment in their history. I understand that. Uh do I want that in my country? No. Am I appalled by what has been going on with free speech in United Kingdom in the last two or three years? Absolutely. It is ridiculous that people have been frog marched to prison cells for stuff they put on social media. Right. So yeah, I do. I think what is more interesting to me about our exchange is I was not expecting you to go the opposite way. I was not expecting you to be so emphatic that at least 6 million Jews died in the Holocaust. There'll be people watching this who I think will be very surprised by that because you have built a reputation for being if not a Holocaust denier than somebody constantly questioning in a downward way the number of Jews who were murdered. That doesn't appear to be what your position is now.

No. And and here's what I would like to see. For my entire career, when I started my show, it started with a good faith inquiry where I was questioning a lot of these narratives and I said, "What is the answer on the other side?" But what I found is that the answer was criminalized. So when you would talk about anything regarding Jews, Israel, the Holocaust, you could be in favor of the official narrative on those things, if you went against, you were banned, censored, and in some countries jailed. And so I actually haven't made up my mind on that because that's not really a matter of interest to me. And there's a lot of analysis and scholarship on both sides of the issue. And I've read both sides of the issue. And honestly, unfortunately, it's hard to judge because there has never been there's never been a debate on it. And there's never been a debate because of the stigma, because of the censorship. And I think that leads a lot of people to say, well, what do they have to hide? Because you can say on your show, well, I'm personally against Holocaust denial laws, yet they still persist and the social consequences still persist. And I think that that is the anomaly. And people have to wonder, okay, why is it that way? And what I said in that clip is the reason the Holocaust casts a long shadow is because it confers a political benefit upon organized Jewry. That is what they always fall back on. They cannot be criticized. They cannot be named. They cannot be talked about less there be another Holocaust. And no other tragedy is treated that way. And no other ethnic group has a get out of jail free card. Just play that anti-Semitism and Holocaust. You can do whatever you want and defend all your actions. That's the part that people are getting upset with. That's the problem.

I don't I don't know any right-minded person who believes that Jewish people weaponized the Holocaust for their own personal get out of jail free or whatever you called it. You don't know anyone that does that, that believes that? I'm sure there are some people that do that, but it's such a ridiculous generalization. You know, the truth is that most Jewish people have lost relatives in the Holocaust. In fact, I want to play you I want to play you two two clips. One is where you talk about Adolf Hitler. Hitler was a pedophile and kind of a pagan. It's like, well, he was also really [ __ ] cool. So, you know, time to grow up. We're not We're not children anymore. Am I right? [snorts] AM I RIGHT? AM I RIGHT, BOYS? Am I right? Let's go. He was also really [ __ ] cool.

Do you regret saying that? Uh, saying a fact? No. No, that's absolutely true. You think Hitler was very [ __ ] cool? Yes, I do. One of them. And I'm tired of pretending he's not. Well, to be honest, this is the problem. You see, it's a bit like when you just say, "I'm a racist." You're a racist who thinks Hitler's cool, but you're not anti-Semitic. If you're a Jewish person watching this, what are they thinking? I'll tell you what they're thinking because I've got a friend of mine called Danny Finkelstein who when he heard I was interviewing you. He's a Times journalist in the UK, very eminent journalist here and author who wrote a book about his own family's experiences at the hands of Hitler and Stalin because he also told Tucker Carlson uh that you admire Stalin. But let's let's just take what Danny said here. My peers, it's Danny Vinkelstein here. As you're interviewing Nick Fuentes, you might try suggesting to him that he reads my book Hitler Stalin Mom and Dad. It's called Two Roads Home in the United States. Since he says he's on team Hitler, he you might like to ask him about the fact that Hitler arrested my mom, tried to starve my mom to death, did starve my grandmother to death, sent my great aunt to the gas chamber, my great uncle, my cousin. My grandmother on my father's side ended up being one out of seven children, the only one that survived the war. So you might ask him whether he wouldn't rather be on team mom rather than team Hitler. And as for celebrating Stalin's birthday, well, Stalin took my father, sent him to a state collective farm, sent my grandmother and my uh to a state collective farm, sent my grandfather to the gulag. You might try asking why he doesn't celebrate dad's birthday rather than Stalin's. It may all be a big joke to him, but he complains that he was 18 when uh someone tried to cancel him. Well, Stalin and Hitler arrested my mom and my dad when they were 10 years old. So perhaps he might like to reconsider his joke.

See, is that's the reality of your jokes. Although I haven't ascertained yet whether you are joking when you say that Hitler was very [ __ ] cool. Are you joking or do you actually think he was very [ __ ] cool? The the most genocidal monster of uh the last 150 years. Yeah. The the thing is my generation we're just done with the pearl clutching, you know. You might be, but then your generation hasn't gone through what Danny Finkelstein's family went through. So maybe maybe the pearl clutching has a way to go for families whose whose family members go. Yeah, we we got all that. We you know me me mom me m like we're you know I don't even know who this person is. Why is this person talking to me? This old British guy is saying me mom got killed by Hitler and he doesn't find it funny when you say Hitler's very [ __ ] care. I know you don't care. That's fine. You don't have to care. But he does care. Does that guy care about America? Does that guy care about me and my country and my family? No. He cares what you, a prominent conservative in America, has to say about Adolf Hitler. Now, what do you mean by Hitler is very [ __ ] cool? Cuz I think he's very [ __ ] a monster. And that's a clip. I think he's very [ __ ] a monster. Do you hear yourself? I mean, can we all grow up? Can we all grow up? He murdered 12 million people. He murdered 12 million people. What is very [ __ ] cool about that? Tell me. Uh, the edits. It's just cool. The the uniforms, the parades, the it's it's cool as a guy. You look at World War II and it's fascinating and it's interesting and it's compelling and it's cool and you know, we're just tired of saying these kinds of things. We want to talk like real people and give our honest opinions and then we and then we literally get an old Jewish guy from England who's going to say, "Oh, that very funny, mate. Me mom." And it's like, shut up. Like, you know, no one is in favor of genocide. So, let's just get that out of the way. We're not in favor of a Holocaust or genocide.

You think if half your family You think if half your family had been wiped out by very [ __ ] cool Hitler, you'd still think he was very [ __ ] cool. Or would you think that actually he was a despicable monster who murdered 12 million people, who targeted people because they were disabled or Jewish or Romany gypsy or whatever it may be, and that he systematically destroyed people, incinerated them in gas chambers. Do you think that you would find it very [ __ ] cool if your family had been through that? Or do you think you would find it very [ __ ] disgusting and perhaps moderate the number of times you you laugh about it or want to joke about it or want to abuse someone like Danny Finkelstein who's written incredibly powerful books about what happened to his extended family at the hands of the Nazis and your other hero Stalin. See, my point to you, Nick Fuentes, is that in parts of this interview. You tried to come across as moderate, but every now and again, the mask slips and it slipped again here with what you say about Hitler, there's nothing very [ __ ] cool about Hitler. We know that from history now. We know what he did. You've already conceded that he murdered at least 6 million Jews. So, when you say he's very [ __ ] cool. Jewish people watch this and go, "This guy's disgusting. Why would he say this say this about someone who perpetrated such an evil? And what's the what's the real answer? Why do you is it just for clicks? Is it for money? Is it just for fun? For shits and giggles? What is it? What motivates you to say something like Hitler was very [ __ ] cool? It's for this. It's for all of this. And and the lack of self-awareness is amazing. You're you're a boomer. You're a 60-year-old boomer. And we've spent maybe 3 minutes on you saying he's A REALLY [ __ ] MONSTER. HE incinerated people. This this a and and I'm sitting here saying it's not that serious. It's not that deep. And what I'm getting at that serious do you want to say more about you're not kid you're not a kid yourself anymore. You're not a teenager. I I know. Right. You're you're nearly 30 to be clear. Okay. You're a fully formed adult who has a brain, right? And at some stage that brain is taking you off these ramps. Is this an interview or is this a lecture? Can I respond to what you're saying? I want you to really I want you to explain why you think it's fine to say how [ __ ] cool Hitler is and to dismiss the very powerful 90 seconds from a British journalist who lost a lot of family members to the Nazis in such a callous, dismissive manner. I don't think it's powerful. I think we've been hearing that our entire lives. Okay, the Schindler's list. Let's just be honest. The propaganda is over the top. We have been in America. What about the shameless list? Tell me about the shameless. Well, tell me about the shameless list. I'll tell you about it. We have been browbeaten as a people, as Americans, as Westerners for our entire lives. And do you know what this has done? It has taken away any sense of pride, any sense of love for our own civilization. We have been made the villain in our own story. we have been made because well let's just be clear it doesn't begin and end with Hitler is a monster. This has been the political narrative which is why we have thrown open the borders. This is a political narrative which is why we're not we can't be a conservative society as a whole anymore. Why we can't be proud of Europeans. Why we can't be proud of being Christian because they've told us if you're too white and too proud and too Christian it's going to lead to a holocaust. And so my generation, our entire lives wait for true and that's what that's why people like me. That's why I'm popular because this is [ __ ] Honestly, yeah, it's a croc. YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANYMORE mom and me dad of [ __ ] No, no, listen. What you just said is a croc of [ __ ] And you know it's true. It's called the open society. In your in your gut, you know it is. You weaponize this stuff. You weaponize this stuff for money. But you know when you say something like what you just I'm banned from banking. I'm banned from banking and credit cards. You know who you're talking to. I do it FOR MONEY. HOW MUCH MONEY YOU MAKE? YOUR COMPANY'S WORTH $UND00 MILLION. Your country. Your company's worth $100 million. I was banned from Bank of America. I'm banned from processing credit cards. And you shouldn't be. But I am. So don't tell me I'm doing it for money. Well, ask me my opinion about that. I'll tell you you shouldn't have been. Right. I don't agree with that. What happened to you? Then don't say I'm doing it for money cuz you know that full well and you say it's a how much money to be a grifter. I'd be like you and I would go and say how much money are you making? I'm making a lot of money now that I'm the number one live streamer in America because people agree with me more than they agree with you. We're tired of hearing about slavery and the Holocaust and Jim Crow. We're done hearing about that. You guys over over hearing about that. Okay, well, you know, your generation's on the way out and generation Z is coming up and we're finished with that. We're ready to take our country down. We're not listening to minorities anymore.

I've got three sons and they don't share your views about slavery and about the Holocaust. They can have decency and compassion and humanity about some of the worst things that have happened in the last 150 years or more. They can do they can do that and they can also have concerned views about issues like immigration and other issues. The two things are not mutually incompatible. You can have different views about different things. It's your lack of humanity and compassion for people about things like the Holocaust, about slavery. It's that that people find so contemptible. And I don't understand why you need to do that. Is it again I just ask you is it is your motivation financial? Is your motivation for fun? What is the motivation for saying these outlandish things which you don't need to say and which I suspect I don't know. I suspect a lot of it is performative. So, so what is the motivation? I'm an iconoclast. The Holocaust is not my religion. And it is treated like a religion. It is treated like a religion with dogma with blasphemy laws. And that secular religion says and and you say you say that's a croc of [ __ ] It's intentional. It's called the Open Society by Carl Pauper. It's by these architects of the liberal order after World War II. They got together and they said, "How can we make sure that Hitler never happens? How can we make sure that totalitarianism never happens again?" And they came up with a consensus which is that we need to take down nations, religions, fathers, the authoritarian personality. We need to be empathetic and altruistic. We need to be diverse and pluralistic. And that experiment isn't working. And I'll tell you the truth right now. And you can laugh at this. You can scoff at this. Our people are being genocided in our country. 50% of the live births in the United Kingdom and in the United States are non-white. In a 100 years, my ancestors, your ancestors, your kids who are so empathetic and compassionate, they're going to be a minority. They're going to be a minority in maybe a Muslim country, an Indian country, an Hispanic country. And these Jewish people that are a hundred years old talking about my grandparents on the Holocaust, they don't care about that. Actually, they like to see it. At the SPLC, they're literally counting down the days until whites are a minority in America. So, forgive me if I don't believe them that when they talk about compassion. There's a genocide going on right now. It's not against the Jews.

How many Christians are there in Gaza? It's against How many Christians are there in the world? Like me? 1 point some billion. Two billion. How many Jew How many Jews are there? 15 million. Okay. So, with a straight face, you're going to tell me the world is being overrun by the Jewry by 15 million people when there are over a billion Christians. There is a genocide of Christians like poor old Nick Fuentes going on at the hands of these 15 million Jews. Really. See this attitude is why you're losing. When you say poor white people, these losing white people, who am I losing to? You're seeing it. Mass migration. Matt, oh, you're losing to me. We are losing as a civilization of mass migration. And here's the difference. In Israel, they have my politics. In Israel, they want to maintain a Jewish majority. If they had it their way, it would only be Jewish people. They're fighting like hell so that Jewish people can have as much territory, a Jewish state. They can be proudly Jewish in their own land. Whereas in America, we are being besieged by 10 million illegal immigrants in four years. And then whites and Christians are going to be the minority. And that's true in Canada, Australia, all the countries in Europe. So you could say there's two billion people, but what's the proportionality? What is the percentage of people being born that are white? Where's the arrow pointing? Where are we going to be in 50 years? In 50 years, there might be in Israel. In 50 years, there isn't a white.

You don't you don't believe people should get married, right? I think people should get married. I'm a Christian. You're basically anti-marriage. Really? You've you've talked about this. You talk about Are we done talking about why genocide. I'm coming to I'm coming to the same part because you seem very resistant to the idea of marriage. You've never got married. Uh you've talked very scathingly about henpecked husbands. Just take a look. That's true. Guys get to a certain age and they're like, "You know what? Women suck." Like they're talking too much. They're not hot anymore. Like you're fat. You're chubby. You're not as hot as you think you are. You [ __ ] talk too much. You're a [ __ ] So, we'll obviously get to the brazen misogyny part of that a little later, but but I'm just curious, on the one hand, there's this terrible genocide going on of white people. On the other hand, you want people effectively to stop going near women because they all turn out to be so ghastly, so they shouldn't presumably procreate. So, how does that work? I mean, aren't you with your rhetoric actively encouraging men not to associate with these ghastly women, therefore not have any more children, therefore you are contributing, Nick Fuentes, to the diminishing white population. I I'm confused. I tell my followers to get married all the time. I tell them that it's best for everybody to get married. And I think that's the only way that you can have sex. I think that's the only licit way as a Catholic is sex is within marriage. Why don't you get married? Uh I'll get married later. It's been difficult for me because people are shooting at me at my house. I don't know that I I don't want to have kids and a wife. You know, my wife would be screaming about that. Me, you know, I have to be able to take risks and be able to say these things. It's difficult to bring a family into a life that's like that. But for my followers, I tell them to get married. But what's happening with women? You literally just told your followers, hang on. In that clip, you literally told followers, women, they get old, they get fat, they get ugly, they get very

annoying. So, where's the incentive to get married to women? There isn't one.

You're act you're actively telling them extrapolating. You're extrapolating a lot.

>> Just quoting you back yourself again.

>> No, no, but you're extrapolating and saying, "Well, you say women are annoying, so therefore what's the incentive?" We have to do it in spite of the fact that they are annoying. We have to do it in spite of the fact that they talk too much. We can get them to lose weight. We can put them on peptides. We can get them to the promised land. Uh but it's going to be

>> Do you think this view of women may be why none of them want to go near you?

>> Oh, you should see my DMs. It is quite the opposite. They're called the Groy Betts, and I'm I'm actually batting them away. Granted, not all them are attractive. Some of them are attractive, but

>> Oh, you actually just to clear up? Just to clear up one of the many theories about you. I have no idea what the answer is and you haven't got an answer. But are you actually attracted to women?

>> I am attracted to women.

>> You're not gay.

>> No. But I will say that women are very difficult to be around.

>> Okay.

>> So, there's that.

>> And do you think they should have the right to vote?

>> I do not. No. Absolutely not.

>> They should stay at home.

>> Well, yeah. Absolutely.

>> So, basically, you're just a misogynist old dinosaur, aren't you?

>> For a for a young guy. I mean, I know I'm the boomer. I know I'm the boomer here, but actually, you're a 27y old dinosaur, aren't you? Aren't you, Nick Fuentes? All women. All women are annoying. All women grow old. They all get fat.

>> Says the guy. Have you ever had sex?

>> No. Absolutely not.

>> Wow.

>> Says the guy who's never got laid.

>> Wow.

>> That's the thing, though. You boomers, it's always

>> Are you an expert in women given you never got laid?

>> Yeah, we're we are going back to the stone age. You're absolutely right. This,

>> you know, you're talking about empathy and your kids are empathetic and they would never laugh at a joke about the Holocaust and you're a misogynist. You're a simp yourself. You're totally henpacked. That's the problem.

>> So, you are going to play another another clip of yours about women.

[snorts] A lot of women want to be raped. And and when I say raped, I mean like that sounds bad when I say it like that, but there's like a lot of women that really want a guy to beat the [ __ ] out of them, but also they have to pretend, but part of it is they have to pretend like they don't.

>> You think women want to be raped, do you?

>> Uh that's what the studies show, Piers. That is what these statistics believe. They have fantasies. They have fantasies about it. I don't think that they want to actually get raped, but there's a study out there. Get ready for this. It says 62% of women have rape fantasies. And if you read anything that they're reading, if you watch what they're watching, what do you think Fifty Shades of Gray is about? What do you think Twilight is about? I mean, that's just true.

>> You think women want to have the [ __ ] beaten out of them, as you said?

>> Yeah. And it's very disturbing, but it's true. Do you think your views on women might change if you actually ever had a relationship with one or had sex and actually had a proper relationship? I mean, people say the reason you're so angry about women is you're basically an incel.

>> Well, I'm not angry about it.

>> You sound very angry. You sound very, very angry about women.

>> They get passionate that

>> it's an issue. You're not passionate. You're actually you're sounding very bitter about women. as if as if women have done a terrible disservice to you, but when you don't have relationships, you don't have sex. When are they doing these terrible things to you that's made you so hateful towards women? I'm really curious.

>> Was that I don't think that was a hateful clip. I think I was laughing. I said they want men to beat the [ __ ] out of them. And I and that's just true. I mean, when you look at the state of modern women, all they do is lay in their bed, doom scroll. They're chilling out. Um, they're getting a little look, they're getting a little fat. It is what it is. I don't know what the average weight is, but they're getting a little heavy. And any guy that is playing the field these days will tell you that. I mean, and I and I know a lot of the Chads, I am an incel. I'm friends with a lot of Chads like Bradley Martin, Clvicular, they agree with me. You know, there's sort of like this alliance between the guys that don't have sex and the guys that get the most sex. We know what women are about. It's the guys in the middle. Guys like you in the middle. It's the beta male orbiters that say, "She's amazing. you're a misogynistic pig because I don't know what that is. I guess

>> let me explain to you let me explain to you what I think it is. I think when a 27y old guy who's never got laid, never had a meaningful relationship with a woman, says that women shouldn't be allowed to vote, they should stay at home, uh that all they do is fantasize about being raped and being beaten up, that's what they want. That they're annoying, that they get fat, that they get ugly, that's a misogynist. Now you may not understand it because your knowledge of women is so incredibly tiny but actually you are the embodiment of a misogynist. It couldn't be clearer. And if I was if I was a you know in a way you have the deeprooted misogyny of some of the actual boomers I know. Yeah. Here you are 27 years old and most of the current studies show that a lot of men are really disenfranchised from society. no longer have physical relationships with women, if they've ever had them, never associate with women, and build up instinctively misogynist views about women. And I I fear you're in that position. You're just a bit of a lonely guy who wants to get laid and can't for whatever reason. And it's made you bitter about women. And I I don't know where that's where that's come from, but it's fascinating.

>> No. See, here's the thing. First of all, you're very caught up in the labels. It's always

>> you're a racist. You're a misogynist. You're a racist. Nothing to me. Can I respond?

>> You gave yourself the label. What is this?

>> You said I am a racist.

>> I didn't give you the label. You said, Nick Fuentes, I am a racist.

>> Calm down. Calm down.

>> Did you or didn't you?

>> Yeah. Yeah. But

>> I didn't give you the label. You did.

>> Why are you yelling at me? Because you're trying to explain something that didn't happen. You said I gave you the label of being a racist. No, you did. You said I'm a racist. You gave yourself a label.

>> Going to have to tone it down a little. All right. You're going to have to bring it down a notch and relax. This is just an interview. Okay, please calm down. All I said is you're hung up. I didn't say you gave me that. I maybe I did. But here's what I mean. What I mean is Okay. What I mean is you're just hung up on say on proving you're okay you're a misogynist. Okay, you're a racist. Okay, you denied the Holocaust. And and I'm just I'm not about the labels that

>> as I said to you, look Nick, as I said to you,

>> I just wanted to go over the stuff that you know everyone uses out there about you and get you to respond. And we're getting we are getting I think a long way in this interview.

>> Okay.

>> You didn't deny the Holocaust. You accepted there's been a Holocaust of at least 6 million Jews. I'm a maximalist.

>> That is significant. You did admit you did admit you're a racist and you have spelled out a thought process about women which is the purest definition of misogyny that I've ever seen and you said you're not gay. So the we're getting somewhere.

>> Yeah. Well, look, and I own the labels, okay? But I just don't care that much about that. Like I feel like the whole is like a weird

>> I'm not saying you have to care, Nick. You don't have to care about any of it. I promise you. Right. That's not why I got you on the on the show. I wanted to give you a fair crack, which I think I have. We've gone over a lot of stuff. We got we got a bit more to go on. I I genuinely don't think I've ambushed you with anything you couldn't have been expecting. No,

>> I don't think I've been overtly hostile. In fact, when you've asked me to calm down, I've calmed down. I don't want to have a hostile, angry, shouty match with you. I simply want you to spell out exactly what you've meant about all these things and people can then be the judge of them. So, let's take another break and we'll come back and talk about Donald Trump, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, and others. Christmas is peak time for online shopping sprees, but that also means it's peak time for hackers and data brokers who steal your information online. The solution is very simple. Use ExpressVPN to shut them down. Top tier encryption keeps your activity hidden, even on dodgy public Wi-Fi, which is perfect for holiday travel. You can set your location to 105 different countries, which lets you access content from all over the world. Users save hundreds on streaming and even plane tickets with ExpressVPN. All for $349 a month. It's a no-brainer. I use it and you should, too. Right now, you can get an extra four months of ExpressVPN if you go to expressvpn.com/pers. That's ExpressVPN's lowest price ever, plus four extra months of service. Just scan the QR code on the screen or go to expressvpn.com/pers.

Okay, back with Nick Fuentes. Um, you began your show in 2017, the same year as Trump was inaugurated for his first term in office. You supported him at that time, but you've grown increasingly disillusioned. I think it'd be fair to say. Let's let's play a recent clip from you about Trump.

We played this game in the first term. We're 10 years in. And you still have these people. I I hate to say it, but they're just like in denial. And they're like, "Okay, everybody, let's all go on Twitter and let's tell Trump, don't screw over your voters." Okay. Hey Trump, don't hire John Radcliffe in the CIA. Like, what are we doing? It's We lost. It's over. The time to make demands was during the election when he needed the votes. He's a lame dug president and he doesn't need anything from us. He's not EVEN ON TWITTER. HE'S ON TRUTH SOCIAL. SO, WHAT ARE YOU talking about? We're going to all rally and tell him, "Don't hire yet another neocon?"

Now over the weekend you posted this on X. Uh you said performative cruelty is the perfect phrase to characterize the Trump admin and the mood of the MAGA movement. In order to compensate for his compromises and failures, Trump has to fall back on mean-spiritedness to appeal to the basis basist instincts of its followers. It's really sad.

I mean do you think you're the best person, Nick Fuentes, to lecture people about performative cruelty?

>> Why are you accusing me of being cruel? Is that what that is? Yeah. What? How am I cruel?

>> You're c you're cruel about black people. You're cruel about uh women. I mean, you're cool about a lot of people. And you're very performative.

>> Okay. I don't think I'm performative. I If anything, everyone else is performative. I'm authentic. You know, whatever you want to say about me, it's it's real. It's from the gut. But yes, I do think it's performative. And what I mean by that is, you know, when they're doing the deportations, they know the deportations are not where the base wants them to be. They deported. The figures are disputed, but from my data, it's 300,000 in the year, which is not a massive deportation. They know the base is unhappy with that. So, what do they do? The deportations that they are carrying out, they do a big spectacle and they arrest everybody and they film it and they put a hype at it. And there's a meanness in there. They played that song,

>> I think, from Sabrina Carpenter or something, and they make it a joke. They make it glib. And they do that because they're not delivering on the promise. So, they compensate by doing it meaner, edgier, more uh more mean-spirited so that the base will overlook the fact that it's not happening. And I think that's by definition performative cruelty. You can call me a hypocrite, but it's definitely true about what they're doing in the administration.

You went to see Trump at Maraago with Yay uh for dinner. What was that like?

>> It was very interesting. Uh they're my two heroes. Yay is my hero. Trump is my hero. Even though I he's very disappointing. I still a personal hero of mine. Uh and he's a remarkable person. It was a great conversation. We got along pretty well. He liked me. I liked him. It was a love fest.

>> I mean, he got attacked afterwards for sapping with the white supremacist devil. I mean, do you accept you are a white supremacist?

>> No. No. Absolutely not.

>> You don't think white people are superior to black people?

>> No. I'm I'm a Christian. So, I believe everybody is equal before God,

>> including women.

>> Yes.

>> So, you you give women equal rights then?

>> No.

>> Great.

>> No.

>> Great. Okay. So, you just talked a little [ __ ] didn't you?

>> No. What is Why ARE YOU LIKE MAD about this? No.

>> You want women to be treated equally before God, but you don't want to give them equal rights.

>> Yeah. Because women and men are different. Do you believe there are two genders? It's your view.

>> Do you think there's two genders?

>> I do think there are two genders. Yes.

>> Okay. And And so you mean there's distinction? There are two distinct genders. I think we should all have the same rights to

>> well, if they're meaningfully distinct, biologically distinct, and they have different social and biological roles, I think it would follow that we would treat them a little bit differently in the law.

>> Do you think the Catholic Church's teachings reflect that?

>> I do. Yeah. There's no female priests. Have you ever seen that?

>> Do you think that the Catholic Church thinks all women should be deprived of vote?

>> Uh, yeah. I think so.

>> No, they don't. I think they do. Yeah.

>> You think the Catholic Church position is women shouldn't be allowed to vote?

>> I think so. Yeah. But I'm not positive.

>> No, it's [ __ ]

>> Oh, it should be.

>> It should be. So, if you were pope, that's what you do. You could be pope because you're a celibate.

>> That's true.

>> And I'm also from Chicago like the pope. But look, I mean, women, it it says in the Bible that women have no authority over men and they can't teach men. And that's why there's no female priests.

>> There's a lot of things. I mean, do you do you think every word of the Bible is sacrosan?

>> Um, well, yeah, it's inspired scripture.

>> That's all of it. Now,

>> all of it is sacrif theological debate. Well, it it is Catholic doctrine that women should not lead and teach. I mean, you're not interacting with what I'm saying. Why can't women be priests?

>> They should be.

>> Okay. Well, you're not Catholic. That's not a Catholic.

>> I'm a Catholic. I just many things I disagree with the Catholic Church.

>> Okay. Well, that kind of is contrary because the whole the whole basis of being Catholic is accepting accepting the authority of the context.

>> You can be a member of a religion and disagree with parts of that religion. Perfectly perfectly reasonable.

>> You can be well yeah I mean I you could see an extremist be true.

>> If you're an extremist you can't obviously you never deviate.

>> That's just not rigorous. You never deviate if you're an extremist. But even the constitution even the constitution's been amended what was it 27 times. People talk about this sacrian document. It's like it's been amended 27 times. Yeah.

>> Oh my. This is not rigorous intellectually. This is very This is

>> a fact.

>> Theology. Okay. But it's fine. Where Where were we? We're talking about Trump. We got Trump nighting for women's rights.

>> On Trump. Well, I think women should have the same rights as you and I. You don't. That's fine.

>> Put on the pink hat, bro. Put on the the pink hat. We're waiting.

>> What's the pink hat for?

>> The uh for the march. For the women's march. Are we going to see you at the women's march protesting for women's rights and all that? I think women should have equal rights to men. Period.

>> You carry tampons in case your female friends get a period or something like it's crazy.

>> I'd have no problem giving a female friend a tampon. Would you? Have you ever I don't suppose you've ever seen a tampon, have you?

>> Gross. Absolutely not.

>> You think tampons are gross?

>> Uh yeah. They're filled with period blood. Yeah, it's kind of gross.

>> Wow.

>> Are you into that? You like that? You a lot of

>> tampons. I don't think you've ever seen it. Have you? I've seen him. I've seen him before.

>> You've been that close to a woman? Really?

>> No. I' I've seen him. Uh, look, I I used to live with women, so I've seen them around the house.

>> I bet you've seen videos, haven't you?

>> What?

>> What are we doing here, Piers? You really hate that. You're more impressed that I'm a misogynist than you are about anything. It's really I'm I'm more I'm actually more exercised about your blatant self-admitted racism >> than I am about anything. But the misogyny runs a close second. Let me ask you about Tucker Carlson because you had a long sit down with Tucker Carlson in which he was oddly I like Tucker. We get on more. I was with him last week in London. But he gave me a harder time than he gives you. Uh and yet afterwards he was more critical. And then you said this about Tucker.

He's a handler. He handles people. That's what he does. He's He's a [ __ ] liar and a handler. He goes around telling people, "I don't know anything. I don't know. Oh, I know nothing. I don't even have a phone. I am just a clueless tourist. I just travel to all these countries and you know, I don't trust him and I don't and I don't care. You know, maybe that alienates me from people in the conservative movement. I don't care. I'm not going to be a part of it. I'm not going to be a party to whatever that is. Whatever that CIA [ __ ] is, I'm not going to be a part of it. So, you know, now that I've I've heard enough from Tucker and I've heard enough from other people and I've seen enough, this guy's not who he says he is. Not an ally. Stay the [ __ ] away from me. You're You're weird, dude. You're weird.

>> See, what would have been great is if you'd said that to him when you were sitting opposite him. Well, when I was sitting opposite him at the dinner and in the interview, he was nothing but nice.

>> He was very nice to me and very cordial and he didn't call me an anti-semite and he didn't even press me on it at all and I thought he would and I almost wanted him to. He was nothing but nice and we had a great time. We had a really great dinner, really great interview and I felt really good about it and the next week on my show I said he really surprised me. He's great. And then every interview he's done since, all he does is call me an anti-semite. He goes, "Well, I I hate his anti-semitism, and you know, I I wonder why people like him." And so, I just think that's two-faced. So, after that experience, it kind of turned me off. I didn't like that, but he's going to do what he's going to do. He's still a nice guy, but I think he's two-faced.

>> What about Candace Owens? Uh, you had a sit down with her. She called you out on a few of your more incendury comments. you've been attacking her quite virulently recently. Um, what's going on there?

>> Well, you know, it's me and her. We're so complicated. We're on and off. Uh, it's very passionate on both sides. Um, you know, there I think there's this intense desire to be friends. Um, but a frustration where we disagree with each other. There's a rivalry. Um, but I thought we were going to have a friendly conversation and then she kind of did the same thing. We're going to go on a show during the [snorts] war with Iran. We're literally in the middle of a war and she text me the day before the United States bombed Fordo and she said, "Would you like to come on my show?" I said, "Absolutely." I said, "Is this going to be about Iran?" She goes, "I don't do setups." I said, "Yeah, let's do it." I come on the show and then she's like got this weird hostile demeanor. She's doing the clip thing, then she puts it behind a payw wall. It was ridiculous. So that that really uh was not nice. And then I think this whole Charlie Kirk thing, I think she's gone insane. I think she's absolutely lost her mind. Um so I feel sorry for her husband.

>> What did you feel when Charlie Kirk was assassinated? What where were you when you heard about it? I was at my house and a friend of mine who was actually at the event texted me and said, "Charlie got shot." I said, "Who?" He said, "Charlie Kirk." I said, "Oh my gosh, that's terrible." And and honestly, it was devastating. I didn't like Charlie Kirk at all. And we had an intense rivalry and he hated me. But honest to God, I was devastated. I was emotionally affected by it. I didn't even do a show that night uh because I was beside myself. So, it it was rough. I mean, it was hard to watch.

When you say you were beside yourself, I mean, you didn't you hated him.

>> Uh, I didn't I don't hate anybody. I didn't hate him, but we I really didn't like him. I intensely disliked him. And I

>> He called you vermin, didn't he?

>> He did. Yeah, he hated me also.

>> But you were still beside yourself when you heard what happened to him.

>> I was I was I thought it was it was disgusting what was done to him. And it was tragic and it was horrifying.

Do you fear an attack like that on yourself? Have you upped your own security because of this? Because you your profile's got it exponentially higher since what happened to Charlie Kirk.

>> I have I have increased my security and uh but you know something similar like that happened to me. Someone came to my house with a gun about a year ago almost exactly trying to kill me and he was shot and killed in my alleyway. So I I've had increased security for a while. It's It's a bad time out there. And I I do believe it was a left-wing person that killed him. I think it was a leftwing person that tried to kill me. So, yeah, I take it very seriously.

>> Elon Musk uh said on his his explatform that you're a Fed, that you're a paid up hire of the government. Is that true?

>> No. 100. You've never worked for the government in any capacity? I've never talked to federal law enforcement and and actually I've testified to that fact under oath when I was subpoenaed by the Congress. People leave that part out, but I got subpoenaed I think in January 2022 I think it was. Um and I was deposed by the subcommittee, the House Select Subcommittee on January 6th and they asked me, "Did you speak with any federal law enforcement?" And under oath I said, "No, I've never had contact with them. I've never turned over devices." Uh, so no, absolutely not.

>> There's been footage that's come out again this week. This is you at the January the 6th riots. Let's take a look.

It appears we are taking the capital. [screaming] [cheering]

>> Keep watching and don't relax. Never relent. Break down the barriers and disregard the police. This capital belongs to us. [screaming and cheering]

>> The police are evacuating the capital.

>> Politicians out of the people's house. [cheering]

>> Now, you heard there uh shouting down your loud haler. Break down the barriers and disregard the police. The capital belongs to us. Now, what did you mean by that?

>> I think it's pretty self-explanatory. The capital belongs to the people.

>> Disregard the police. You don't support law and order.

[laughter]

>> Uh, no. I support law and order, but on that day, um, the police were brutal. The police killed somebody, Ashley Babbot,

>> and, uh, you know, they were throwing people off of the rafters. They they killed multiple people. So

>> when disregarding the police is a is the the first step to anarchy, isn't it?

>> Well, I think the first step to anarchy is when the government rigs the election, which is what happened. That that is when the government loses its legitimacy and its enforcers consequently do also.

What happened in there is no evidence the government rigged the election. You know that you're a bright guy.

>> Well, let's talk about it. You want to talk about the election of 2020?

>> Yeah. I think Trump lost it fair and square. I I think he fought the wrong argument about the stolen election. I've said to him to his face, I agree.

>> The argument he should have said is that the deliberate suppression >> of things like the Hunter Biden laptop scandal from the media by social media by big tech uh was actually a deliberate attempt to subvert the result of the election. And that's a much better argument because it's undeniable. When the New York Post that had that exclusive were basically shadowbanned off all social media for the two weeks before the election, that was an absolute disgrace. And if I was Donald Trump, I would focus on that as being my main argument that that election was slanted against him. when he goes off into saying that there was widespread rigging and voter systems were wrong and we've be we've litigated all this now through various court cases, various Republican judges have ruled there was no rigging of that kind. In fact, the American election system is accepted by most people around the world as being one of the best in the world, one of the most reliable. So, I just think he fought the wrong argument. If he said the deliberate suppression of damaging stories to the Bidens, which could have swung the election, uh, was outrageous and unacceptable, I I'm 100% behind him. But by by building this speurious argument that it was all rigged through voting systems and so on, he lost me.

Well, I agree about the voting systems, but, you know, when they went into the machines, I think that was ridiculous. However, what has to be accounted for is that in 2016, 35% of the votes were cast by mail. Uh, by 2020, it was 70% because of the pandemic. So, you doubled the amount of votes that happened by mail. They called it in-person early voting. They called it a variety of different things. And the other thing that they changed is they solicited the mail-in ballots. So, they sent ballots to people's houses. And once you do that, I mean, you you have absentee balloting normally, but it's a process. You got to give your social security number, your ID. They send it to you. There's regulations in place. This is an election where they double the amount of mail and votes and they solicited they sent ballots to people's houses. And when you do that, you break the chain of custody. So they send the ballot out and then they tell people return it at a 24-hour ballot drop site that's unsupervised. There's thousands of them. And they're going to hope that all the ballots that find their way into these drop boxes were filled out by the person that the ballot was intended for. And I know that didn't happen. I'll tell you why. My uncle has been dead for 26 years. He got a ballot in 2020. It was mailed to my parents house. And you know that was happening in nursing homes. You know that was happening in apartment buildings.

>> But you also every independent body that has looked at this has concluded there was no widespread rigging, that it was a free and fair election and Trump lost. And the bottom line is he should stop going on about it anyway cuz he won back the White House in in 2024

>> by your as as you have been so keen to tell me. Move on, right? No one wants to look back too far. That's a separate argument. I mean, you can say that he should stop talking about it. But whether it was rigged or not is actually relevant to what happened on January 6th. Because what happened on J6 is people were outraged about it. People were furious that, by the way, there's never been an independent ballot audit in all the states where there was alleged to be rigging. That has not happened. And certainly, it did not happen up until January 6th. And people said, "This is ridiculous. They're stealing it." You know,

>> honestly, if either you or Donald Trump or anybody else wants to show me, I said this to him when I interviewed him last. You know, if you show me the actual hardcore incontrovertible evidence, then great. I've never seen it. Joe Rogan asked him. He didn't produce it with Joe Rogan. It's just never been produced. Uh but look, I I don't want to label the point on that. I suppose the more interesting question now as your influence rises in the conservative movement in America and there's a lot of splits going on amongst MAGA uh over a number of issues uh and about you and you know this. Is your split with Trump irrevocable? Do you feel now as we head towards the year of the midterms that it's time to now look to who his successor will be and who do you think that person should be?

>> Well, it's not irrevocable, but I I am very pessimistic about this administration. And [snorts] succession is something that I've been interested in for as long as I've been doing this show. And I think it's very clear that they are grooming JD Vance to be that successor. And by they, I mean Elon Musk, Tucker Carlson, Peter Teal. There seems to be an organization that was put in place roughly around 2022 when Peter Teal was very active in the midterm elections. He spent, I think, over $30 million. Uh 15 million for Vance, 15 million for Masters, spent a lot of money in a lot of other congressional races trying to unseat the Republicans that voted for impeachment in 21. and also building out uh a media market, building out a patronage network, funding things like Passage Press, Sovereign House, a number of other projects to create sort of like a self-contained media ecosystem. And Vance is clearly the selected nominee. That is who the interests want and they've been pushing for him very strongly. So, I think he's the apparent right now. There's a forceful push. I've heard good things about him. I've heard bad things about him, too. Um, and where I think it needs to go is I think we need to return to the message from 2016, what Trump said in the first election, which is we need to drain the swamp. We need to get the money out of politics, the super PACs, the special interests, put America first in foreign policy and the wars. Close the border and deport the illegals and reindustrialize America. Bring back manufacturing. Bring back jobs. We're in this cold war with China. We need America to have productive capacity again. We need America to have wealth. So, I think whoever is going to bring us back to that, that's who I'm going to support. And I haven't seen enough from Vance yet.

>> You called JD Vance's wife a Jeet. What does that mean?

>> It's a slur for Indians.

>> Why would you use that?

>> Well, you want the honest answer?

>> Cuz you're a racist.

[laughter]

>> No. No. There's actually a different reason. The reason why I said that, if you watch the whole show, did you watch that whole show by

>> No, no, but you've admitted you use that slur. I'm just curious why you would use that about a woman with her hair.

>> I tell you the there's a really important reason why, and this is why context matters. If you look online at the people that are supporting JD Vance the most, they are racist. They're racist also, let's say, and they look at someone like myself, I don't support JD Vance, and they say, "You're brown. You're a third worldist." They are gleefully participating in the cruelty, you could say the performative cruelty of the Trump administration. They say, "You're going back. You have 100 days until you're being deported. You're going into Crystal." And then they tell us to vote for JD Vance. And so all I did on the show is I said, "You have basically racist chuds that post memes about Indians all day on Twitter, memes about third worldists and Palestinians even." But then they want to turn around and support a guy who has said on Twitter, "How dare you say I'm racist? I have non-white kids and I'm in an interracial marriage." And all I said is that's I just said that's a little ironic. I said that's hypocritical. And Vance is going to have to explain to all of his supporters who have gassed him up as the real, you know, the real mass deportation candidate. He's going to have to explain to them what's going on with that. What is with the contradiction? Because

>> you don't feel any accountability for the millions of young people that will hear you use that slur and think it's fine to use it.

>> What are No, no. I think that's ridiculous.

>> Okay, let's take a final break. I come back with a little kind of summary of how you think this interview has gone for you.

>> Okay,

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Okay, next for Wednesday, we've we've been talking for nearly two hours. Uh what is your view of how the interview has gone?

>> I think it was great. Honestly, I uh I think it was a tough interview. You're a tough interviewer, but I don't think there were surprises. I I will not say it was an ambush because it wasn't. Uh I sort of anticipated that that you would make some choices about how you wanted it to go, and I was fine with it. So, I I thought it was terrific. A as a Catholic, you probably aware the Jerusalem Post has recently called on the Pope to openly condemn you. Would it matter to you if the Pope did? He's an American pope, obviously.

>> It would be very disheartening. Yes. Why? Because he's our spiritual leader. He's he's the head of the church. He's the vicer of Christ. So, if if he condemned me, that would be very disheartening. Um, and it it would depend upon what he would say exactly, but yeah, I wouldn't like that. I wouldn't like that.

>> If he condemned you because you've openly admitted to being a racist on this show,

>> well, you know, this racist, I would be disappointed if he said that because I think that word racist, it means something different to everybody. And um, so I think that's just silly. I think that's just semantic.

>> Have you ever been in love in your life?

>> Uh, no. No. Like romantically? No.

>> Yeah. Never?

>> No.

>> Do you think that's part of the problem?

>> What? What's the problem?

>> Why you are the way you are?

>> And what's the way I am? What are you trying to say?

>> I've given I've given people two hours of the way you are. You're unashamed about a lot of it.

>> I don't think I have a problem. I think I'm uh cheerful, boisterous. I look I unlike you, I'm willing to be a little provoc Well, I guess you're willing to be provocative, but I'm willing to be very provocative and I'm a free thinker and I'm I don't like to be tone policed. I don't like to be told about, you know, people are going to tone police and play moral cop about you can't make this joke or you can't make this statement. And uh I think that's just about being intellectually open. I I'm a believer in openness and I like I completely agree. I I think you should be perfectly free to express yourself exactly how you see fit. My problem is how you see fit with some of the things that you say

>> and we've been through a lot of them and I think people who don't know you very well will have been shocked in parts and surprised in other parts. Uh but in totality they can see you for what you are. I think we've got a lot nearer to what the real Nick Fuentes is in the last two hours than we probably have seen from your other recent interviews. Would you agree?

>> Uh, no. I mean, the the clip thing, we've done the clip thing. We've all seen the clip show. Everyone's seen the clips. You think you're the first one to do the ADL rap sheet. So, here you said this and then here you said that. I've been playing that game for 10 years. So, I this is honestly more of the same to tell you the truth. Nick Fuentes. I appreciate you coming on Uncensored. Thank you very much.

>> Thank you for having me.

>> Well, my thanks to Nick Fuentes and my thanks to the hundreds of thousands of you watching this special live episode of Piers Morgan Uncensored. As I said during the interview, I think it was firm but fair, but you can all make up your own minds. If you like uh what you do, please like and subscribe the channel so that we can keep doing it. I'm back tomorrow. Until then, whatever you're up to, keep it uncensored.