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Dr. Naomi Wolf, thank you so much for joining Pod Force One.
It's such a pleasure and an honor to join you. I have admired your work for so long. Thank you. Well, and likewise, uh, you know, I think the beauty myth in 1991 just burst onto the scene and, uh, I think we're about the same vintage. And it was such an eyeopener for women of that time. I mean, you were the sort of arbiter on the left. You were a darling of the left uh, and of sort of what was called thirdwave feminism. No more hairy legs um, and and and [clears throat] hairy underarms. was a a a more palatable form of feminism, I guess. Um, I of course didn't call myself a feminist in those days. Um, and so we had quite different trajectories, but in a funny way, I think we both moved somewhat. Uh, or I certainly moved. You you you may not uh you may say that you didn't move, but um certainly you are now no longer a darling of the left. Let's let's say that. So, um Dr. Wolf, I just wanted to explore your trajectory. I think it's one of the most interesting um things about the age we live in. And I think you are the perfect person um who sort of personifies what's happened to the left and what's happened to the Democratic Party uh that you once helped and I presume loved. So, let's start there.
Sure. Wow. um a huge opening question.
Um let's see. Well, to answer your question about or your implied question about what I, you know, how I identify now, um it's true that I was a lifelong Democrat. Um and you know, solidly liberal. My dad was a card carrying communist in his youth, you know.
Yeah. But I mean everyone in that kind of garment worker world was for you know coming from Rainia etc. Um but we were like bgeoa mainstream liberals by the time you know I was born and I I guess I did love you know that side of the aisle. I recognized its many flaws. I was a consultant, as you referenced, for um Clinton's re-election campaign and for President Gore's run for the presidency. Um, I was a White House spouse, uh, you know, for a speech writer in the Clinton White House with a speech writer in the Clinton White House. And that was the, you know, the party of FDR, the party of, um, you know, the labor movement, the party of feminist, you know, women's rights, um, gay rights. It it was the party of social security and an 8-hour workday and, you know, progressivism. Um, and then of of course, I mean, people who don't follow my work that closely may not know, but I was totally a darling in the sense that I, you know, was interviewed all the time in every major news outlet. Um, and published in every major news outlet and a very I had a very secure and comfortable perch in the world of commentary.
18 just to interrupt for I think it's 18, isn't it? international bestsellers, New York Times bestsellers.
Gosh, if you count foreign editions, probably I'm only aware in English of like seven or eight, but still very good run, you know, very good and and you know, p republished worldwide, which is, you know, they were also bestsellers elsewhere. But
I guess my, you know, I thought that that I would, you know, I kind of done enough to be kind of secure. [laughter] Yeah. Is that all as a recognized you know credible journalist and non-fiction writer so many books so many footnotes and um in 2021 I did what as you know from have been being aware of my work from the start I've been doing for 40 years plus which is writing about women's bodies and women's issues and specifically letting women speak for themselves because as a feminist you you take as given especially feminist writer that when multiple women independently report something the same thing about their own bodies there could be a story there that's how we found out about theomide it's how we found out about um you know silicone breast implants being dangerous and so on so women were reporting menstrual problems with the mRNA injection and I reported that on X and or Twitter at that time banned um worldwide smear campaign you know coordinated it seemed which I didn't even understand because AI hadn't been rolled out yet, but you know, the same attacks in newspapers all over the world all at the same time. And no, no one in the legacy media would talk to me after that, you know, I I committed some kind of sin even though it turned out I was correct. Um, so
how did that was that shocking to you? I mean, was that upsetting to you?
Well, it was shocking because um I still naively thought that you know our our world right journalists you know serious publications that if you had the facts that was the ultimate arbiter you know like it's one thing to plagiarize or you know and I'd been accused of getting something wrong in 2019 which was actually a subject of debate of many scholar So I had survived an attempt at being cancelled at that time. But
um you know, but that was arguably you know there was an argument there. This was no argument. It was just like you you know. Yeah. So it was shocking because there was no evidence. Um no one said hey Naomi there are questions being raised. Because there weren't. It was just like you're gone right gone. um misinformation, disinformation, you know, words that didn't used to exist in journalism, you know, outside the Soviet Union, right? Um certainly not in the west. So it was shocking and I guess after that, you know, Steve Bannon, who whom I had been raised to, you know, or trained to believe was the devil did give me a platform and I did do more work convening 3,500 very serious doctors and scientists to go through Fiser papers released under court order. They found many things wrong, horrible things wrong with the mRNA injection that Fizer knew. And you know, conservatives were willing to talk to me. I still don't think that I'm a conservative. Um, I think I'm a classical liberal in in most ways now with a libertarian bent and probably inching conservative on some issues like now that there's, you know, a resurgence of true communism. I you know I'm e ever more capitalist than I've ever been. But I I I still feel like it wasn't I who left the Democrats, they left me.
Yeah, that's a familiar refrain from a lot of former Democrats. um some of whom I've interviewed. Uh Alan Dersowitz being one in particular who's a sort of uh should have been a cra cradletograve democrat absolutely loved the party and um you know it breaks his heart what's happened but he says exactly as you do that it's deserted him not the other way around. So, I mean, you were advising Bill Clinton um on his reelection about how to appeal more to women voters. You were um I guess the woman whisperer for male politicians or Democrats at that point. Um and then after he won re-election, of course, the Monica Lewinsky scandal blew up. Um, and I don't want to dwell on it too much, but uh, what would you do today if you were advising the Democratic Party about how to appeal to women because uh, sorry, not not appeal to women, how to appeal to men because what they seem to have done is to have alienated men. Uh, and there's a huge gender gap in um, voting and in party affiliation. Um and and what they seem to have done during I guess the Camela Harris uh election attempt was to lurch to find these sort of fake uh conservative men who are who are Democrats like Tim Waltz I think they started with and then um you know Graeme Platner uh being their final iteration. There's another one, James Telerico in Texas. But I think Platner is the one more than anything that the final kind of avatar of their attempt to appeal to red-blooded workingclass men who've deserted the Democrats. And of course, that's been a disaster. So, what would you advise the Democrats to do to appeal to men? And what went wrong with Platinum?
Wow. Um, well, just for the record, uh, I didn't advise Bill Clinton directly. I advised his adviser, Dick Morris. So,
um, just a note there. Um well, so much um has degenerated in our culture in terms of gender issues since the Democrats could last rely on the votes of especially workingclass men um and you know men of color, you know, especially African-American men who are fleeing the Democratic party now. And so the if I were advising the Democrats, which would be a big if because it [laughter] would, you know, that that contract negotiation would be like, okay, you got to leave the, you know, communists over there and ship out the jihadis, you know, but um
Well, they need help though. I couldn't help.
Yeah. I guess what I'm trying to say to be very frank is that I don't think that I think the Democrats in their current iteration pose a national security threat to the country and I don't want to see them reelected right now. I think the civil war going on within the Democratic party is necessary and I'm waiting to see who wins because history, you know, unfortunately shows that it's the young bullshiks who cannibalize, you know, the older mainstream, you know, moderate boomers. But say I were advising them, um, you'd have to unroll like two decades of the liberal war on masculinity. And this, you know, was a a version of feminism that I had no responsibility for. It followed the third wave, but it basically criminalized men for being mascul masculine. It it invented terms like toxic masculinity. It demonized the male gaze, you know, even if they're not doing anything but looking appreciatively. Um, it it it it fetishized um it's it demonized marriage. It it demonized uh men's protective role and capability. Uh it it bombarded and propagandized young women in a way that as a feminist I find horribly, you know, misogynist. um with uh you know movies and songs and ads proposing that marriage is a trap and babies are a drag and you know you will never have fun again if you you know have a nuclear family and um it's really bad and so I don't think the Democrats as they're currently constituted except for a handful know how to talk to men because they've spent 20 years um you know demonizing masculin ity and and a lot of men who are who are left in those weird little bubbles have bought into that and are full of self-hatred. Um, so it's it's a deep like psychological problem. It's not just a political problem. But say say I were I would say, you know, stop selecting these fake, you know, I'm a fisherman. I you know, I cut down trees. You know, it's like something out of a Monty Python song. [laughter] It is.
Um, everyone can see through it and the only way I think such candidates have won in the past is through the kind of cheating that President Trump is making more and more difficult. Uh, I would say you've got to stop demonizing family life and you have to cultivate, you know, new young moderates from the African-American, Caribbean-American, and Hispanic American communities. You have to start talking to religious leaders again and have events, you know, welcoming like stop stop making war on God and war on religion. Um, you know, you definitely have to marginalize these lunatics who clearly represent other countries, you know, on the far left who put Somalia first or, you know, Palestine first. I mean, as, you know, as important as that issue is, we are Americans and there's this huge wave of America first. I'm part of it. You know, I care about the Middle East, but care about America first and, you know, recognize that that's real. I guess my my biggest message would be I mean here's a perfect example. I was reading the Free Press this morning on my phone, one of the few legacy news sites I still read cuz the rest are so bad. And they they were talking about exactly this and they were saying, "What should the Democrats do? You know what we can learn from a real an ordinary firefighter?" And I'm like, you know, you still don't get it right. You don't get how that language is elitist and alienating. Um, you know, would you say an ordinary stock broker, an ordinary lawyer, you get it? So, they they have to shed, you know, not only the war on God and the war on family and the war on men, they have to shed the class blinders that are so disgusting. And honestly, the last thing I would say is Americans are so sick of identity politics. Um, you know, and and a lot of people are finding out. I was amazed that conservatives tend not to be racist. You know, they actually treat people like individuals. I mean, we've been told that they're all walking around in Ku Klux hoods, um Klux Clan hoods. Uh but I think that that identity politics and and cancel culture have run their um organic um path route and, you know, go back to supporting meritocracy, which we used to be so good at.
You mentioned that the uh Democratic Party is in the middle of a civil war, but I see it more as just a coup. I don't see much fight back from the moderates uh as the Mandanis uh and you know the Elsads and the Elon Omar and I guess Bernie Sanders spawn um take over, right? I mean, Bernie Sanders was cheated uh out of his I guess I think rightful um nomination and they're probably the chickens are coming home to roost for the party for the trickery that they've engaged in and uh you know foisting Joe Biden on the country which was bad for the country but it's I guess been devastating for the party their party um and you know the Nancy Pelosis and the Chuck Schumers all they did was appeased that insurgent left faction. Um, do you see the Democrat party, the establishment actually coming back from this now that I mean they're a small rump, the Mandanis and so on, but they're very powerful as you say, they're the young Bolsheviks.
Unfortunately, this is right out of the Marxist playbook, right? um the these tiny groups make themselves seem bigger uh than they are and through bullying and intimidation and infiltration um they you know do disembowel um the the parties they infiltrate and and you're absolutely right to to see that happening now. I have been amazed. You know, I've lived in New York for decades and I know a lot of wealthy people in New York and I will just say it because I'm Jewish. I know a lot of wealthy Jews. But also, you know, I I'm familiar with how the old guard, whether Jewish or Anglo, you know, or whatever, protected its rights and privileges. And it's like we're in Sleeping Beauty's castle. like everyone's hypnotized or asleep. You before could I have imagined that a red green alliance, you know, someone who's so full of hateful policies toward Jews but also toward rich people, you know, who's willing to dox a, you know, a multi-millionaire or billionaire and drive, you know, giant companies out of the city, take aim at capital, take aim at property rights. I would never have imagined that people who have, you know, sequentially kind of changing demographics generation after generation still like maintaining that that upper echelon would have just been so passive in letting it all happen without lawyers and without resistance and without, you know, launching new parties or new candidates. No, no fight back at all. And I don't understand it in New York. Um especially with the amount of cheating that we're uncovering. Um no, I mean just total passivity. So you're right that it's an existential threat. Um I honestly wonder because people are hinting about this if there's intimidation or compromise of some moderates because they're so frozen. Um, I I wouldn't I don't know why Nancy Pelosi would would roll over and, you know, let people who clearly don't have policies that are organically going to sway the electorate, you know, if you're relying on not cheating in the future, why she would let that happen. Um, so you're right. I don't know what to say. Like it's it is an existential danger. I guess I'm I'm feeling a little bit heartened because I'm starting to see the silence like the trouble with cancel culture right is that sooner [clears throat] or later the left cancels itself and right and and I'm starting to see the silence be broken on the left. So, Bill Maher said, "Uh, if they keep going like this, I'm going to vote Republican." And, um, I I saw a a commentator on the left make that case this morning. Um, and the free press even, which is, you know, right down the middle, is covering a civil war. And so people are starting to um feel like it's okay to, you know, voice their aversion to these young Marxists. But it is very dangerous still because I don't think younger people have been educated properly about the danger of Marxism, the failures of Marxism, the you know Stalin and Mao [laughter] and the fact that
you know these these people are monsters with with monsters
20 million deaths in the 20th century due to communism.
Yeah. So they could and look at Britain you know how quickly it fell. Look at Australia. I mean, no disrespect to your the beautiful country where you are, but
I never would have thought during COVID that a country like Australia
peopleled with, you know, dissident and outsiders, right? people who were starting all over who had been ejected from, you know, a class structure and from a country expatriated would, you know, very strong people with strong national identity would have totally been passive in the draconian, you know, COVID lockdowns and and mandates.
Well, it was also a country of the jail wardens. So maybe the jail wardens were ascendant for some time.
Yeah. I mean it was shocking to me living in America, living in New York as I have been for eight years. I I come back once a year for a visit and um it's it's a changed country uh every time I come back. Um and very sad you know I think everywhere in the world um apart from America um has succumbed to these assaults on freedom and America still you know it has that revolutionary spirit. It has very strong constitution and um I mean fought fought a war for its freedom and fought a civil war uh for you know values and and to end slavery. So there's a lot of bloodshed that's gone into America's strength and courage now, but um as as you do, I see that uh it's buckling a little bit um at the assaults now uh that have come since co I guess and with the deliberate opening of the borders
um and as you say I mean identity politics has really destroyed social cohesion
Mhm. Yeah.
I just wanted to just get back before we go on um on to Platner because I think I mean he's gone but he represents something pretty important in terms of the sort of uh embrace suddenly of toxic masculinity um by the left or what they said was toxic masculinity. They seem to be so desperate now that they'll uh grasp at anything to try and appeal um to their lost voters. Um and you wrote something brilliant uh I mean you you write lots of brilliant things but little while ago that um struck a chord. You talked about the kind of um almost eroticism of the white liberal women who are at anti- ice demonstrations and just going crazy at the big burly ice ages. Many of them or most of them are men. Many of them are military veterans. They're ex cops. They're patriots. you know, they really believe that what they're doing is making the country safer again. I believe they are too, but um they've been so demonized and you just picked up this feminine sort of craziness around hating them. Can you flesh that out?
Sure. Although I kind of wish I had my my post in front of me so I don't make a mistake because it's it's kindfield. But there was a period of several weeks in which um a number of white women uh were kind of yeah like possessed with hysteria around these big strapping men and almost saying like ooh lock me up you know ooh put me in handcuffs you know oo don't hurt me you know in this very very provoc talkative way like they were flirting hard, you know, to almost provoke um a a a takedown, a physical takedown by these great big men and to be dominated by them. I'll just put it that way. And it it was like very domy subby, you know, it was very like eroticized. I mean that you're you're right to use that verb in to me as a woman, you know, looking at this. It wasn't like um you know, an objective clash of ideologies or a physical clash with a goal other than getting him to handcuff me and put me on the ground. Um with you know, the the ice conflict is the larger you know rational or excuse. I'm not saying these women were conscious of those motivations, but it relates to what we were talking about earlier, Miranda, of, you know, gender relations are so poisonous and weird on the left and and there are very few kind of alpha men around, right, on the left. Um, and there are other issues that are probably biochemical, like, you know, estrogen disruptors in the environment. And I mean, men are losing masculinity. I don't know why it's more prevalent on the left. That's an interesting question. But load t they're called like yeah or or maybe it's self- selecting you know if feminite men you know head in that direction ideologically and more masculine men you know want nothing to do with it. I don't know. Those studies should be done. But I I did see this kind of, you know, it's also taboo on the left to say, "Ooh, that big strapping man with that weapon, you know, his holster is, you know, really attracted." You can't say that on the left. children are exiled for not invited to the coven, you know, for the
even though evolution has made women attracted to strong men and that can't be sub subsumed forever without some sort of problem.
Exactly. Well, I and there's there's the there's the answer like it's so it leads to a perverse outcome if women have to kind of suppress those instincts and there are no men anyway to fulfill them. you know, you kind of get you get these shrieking videos [laughter] on on on Tik Tok or you get, you know, women taunting these ICE agents to, you know, take them down, put them in handcuffs. Um, I'm not blaming the victim, God forbid, you know, uh but but we can't be stupid about these deep evolutionary needs. They do surface
and a sort of a rage, too. Um, could that be I mean this is me thinking it but uh a rage of these women that they know that these men are not interested in them is sexually.
That's really interesting. There's a whole book there that I hope you will write. Um I can only speculate but I have a beautiful relative. She's 26 and she's on the left and she, you know, does like ballot distributions and so on and, you know, voter registration and she she wears makeup and she's just a beautiful girl and a feminine girl traditionally and young lady and uh she reports the venom with which, you know, kind of blue-haired peers say to her, "Why are you trying to look pretty like you know in our generation people might have thought that but but you wouldn't actually say it like it's a political choice that is nefarious to want to be attractive especially attractive to to men. Um but but that is an ideology now on the left. Um how dare you? Uh and again lots of propaganda went into making young women, you know, it's one thing to have acceptance of your body. You know, that is healthy. It's quite another to glorify obesity or to glorify, you know, ill health,
glorify um you know, tattoos all over your face and piercings, you know, things that are just going to limit your options in the you know, reproductive pool, right? Um, and but that's what's happened to these poor young women, you know, in addition to horrible problems with birth control, which is much more disruptive than it used to be in our generation. But leaving that aside,
which disturbs their fertility and ensures that they won't do the thing that, you know, most women just evolutionarily have found to be the most um rewarding.
[laughter]
Yeah. All of it. So to answer to go back to your question, is there rage?
I think there must be rage because all the things were programmed deeply to want. I want a baby. I want to nurse a baby. I want an orgasm. You know, I want a family. I want love. I want protection. You're you're not allowed to want those things from men anymore on the left in that way. Um, I mean, I was listening to pop music and and there's so many love songs sung by men. Almost no love songs sung by women. They're all like, "I'm fine. Why?
F you." You know, I don't need you. I I you know, I give myself flowers. I mean, endless. So, there and and I guess let's be honest, you and I can vouch for Well, I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I I wrote a book called vagina about female sexuality and and the mind and the um reproductive and sexual system in women and as in men right but differently are very directly biologically aligned. So when women are having good sex um you know having orgasms they're more confident they're more risktaking. They have more dopamine in their brains. you know, when they have babies, they have more oxytocin, which is calming. I mean, it's, you know, real hormonal benefits from sex and babies. And and you know, when they're touched, women need touch differently than men do. You know, if they're not hugged and stroked, they kind of go crazy. I'm sorry. It's, you know,
Oh, wow.
studies that I, you know, I cite, I should, it's an overstatement to say they go crazy, but they they need hug hugging and caressing in a different way than men do. Well, that would explain a lot of I mean, none of that is happening really to these women. They're going out of their way to push away and be hostile to men who provide all of that.
Yes. But also look at how men are being um propagandized. They're bombarded from their earliest adolescence with hardcore pornography work. And even in, you know, mainstream movies, I don't know if you've noticed, but the sex scenes, I don't even want to watch them anymore. I just find them so alienating. Yeah.
So like vi like like violent or like like this or,
you know, positions that no woman would find particularly gratifying and and like no seduction, right? None of the seduction that women biologically need in order to feel happy and fulfilled. And so if girls are growing up thinking, well, that's sex, you know, uh I better provide that. Um, they're going to be very, you know, angry and frustrated or that sex, I'm scared of it. I don't want to to be part of it. It's not it's alienating. I mean, my children were growing up born in the '90s and early 2000 and and that was an era and I was writing about this about sexualization of young girls was really taking off and so those young women are now in their 20s and uh you know even heading into 30 and and maybe they just were so traumatized by being treated like sexual objects from a very young age. Um that they that turned them off sex and intimacy and men. I'm sure you know there there's a lot there. Uh I think I think becoming new is terrifying now. And then in steps the
counselor, you know, with no knowledge of the parents to say, well, maybe you're transgender, maybe you really want to be a boy. Um, I wouldn't want to come of age as a woman now. It it's there's no safe space. And, you know, this brings up like the grooming in the schools. You know, if adults are talking about your sexuality all day long under the guise of being inclusive, um, school is not a safe place. You know, especially if you 21% of women, I'm one of them, was, you know, have been assaulted in their childhood or adolescence. So by the time they get to high school or college, you know, a quarter, nearly a quarter already sexually traumatized. And then you have teachers talking about, you know, are you gay? Are you bisexual? You know, maybe you're trans. I mean, it's so unsafe. Um, it's not a way to heal. Um, so I think all of this is is very deliberate and a lot of money is going into it. By the way, I don't know if you've tracked the the money flow, but the Pritsker Foundation is, you know, dumping money on policies that um and I see it everywhere. I'm in Blue, Massachusetts, and it's like I had to quit the local YMCA because they were getting rid of bathrooms for boys and girls. It was all going to be changing in one big space, you know, with adult men. And it's like, are you insane? Um, and you see this, you know, everywhere here, just getting rid of safe spaces. I think the kind of whole like fetishizing of transsexual or transvestite men, you know, seeking access to women's bathrooms. I'm a big supporter of LGBTQ rights, but that's not what the movement has been about. And there's again another agenda just making sure that women and girls are, you know, traumatized and have no boundaries. don't get to say no um because of of this goal I think it's part of this much larger very sophisticated goal of destroying um heterosexual relationships destroying relationships really destroying the the chance of family life and and we're seeing the results right like the the uh reproductive um replacement of babies in I'm sorry the reproductive rates in the west are tanking below placement levels and in the countries we haven't talked about immigration but in the countries that globalists are shipping people, you know, from those countries in the millions and millions into Western Europe, Australia, Canada and to some extent during the Biden era you know the United States they're having you know four times the number of babies um on average that um westerners are having so there is a very big mosaic here that is all heading in one direction.
You mentioned that it's a part of a larger scheme or program. I agree with you. I can't really see the the details of it, but it certainly does seem that there is a some sort of an intelligence or a hive mind or certainly there's an ideology behind destroying heterosexuality, destroying the nuclear family. I mean that that was a Marxist uh idea about the family because I guess there's nothing more bourgeois than the family and they're very independent um of the state but what what do you think is driving it? What's the who's controlling it? It's controlling it or is there not one single person? I think I asked Jordan Peterson this once and he described it more as a hive mind.
Interesting. You know, I sometimes honestly think it's Satan. Like I didn't use that way, but um it does seem sometimes so metaphysically coordinated beyond the power of normal human politics. The COVID response seemed um to be metaphysically beyond human capability. You know, all these countries reacting in exactly the same way. Um but again that could have been AI just before it was announced but also that was you know I remember Jane Fonda saying at the very beginning of co when people were still dying she said it's God's gift to the left because she could see it as a way of getting control whether it be of you know the ballot box or just people's lives and business man um who's behind it well it does seem and I I wrote about this in a book called the bodies of others. It did I did track um the the money and propaganda flow to some major players. Um and basically big tech and China you know merged in the COVID response. Uh and so there was a group called the CO 19 project um in 2020 into 2021 which was Microsoft, Bloomberg, Amazon, Facebook um you know all the big tech major players and they were they coordinated their messaging. So, first they coordinated the messaging of stay home, stay home, you know, be scared, be scared. They would amplify stories that turned out to be totally baseless, like the famous New York Times story about the Chinese restaurant outside of Wuhan where, you know, people these all these people died or got sick after they had their soup. Um, you know, they would amplify stories that turned out have really big flaws like the biker group in North Dakota that, you know, dared to convene and have fun and they all got sick. You know, just like these very flawed stories would have global import. You remember, you know, don't don't see grandma at Hanukkah, don't see grandma at Christmas, don't see grandma and you'll kill her. It was the same uh message. um all over the world. Don't see grandma at Ramadan. Don't see grandma, you know, at holy, you know, the same message in 192 languages. So,
but that was Fouchy and uh, you know, the Biden administration um were the worst in the I mean they had a Fouchi had a huge impact in Australia. People paid attention to what he said.
Totally. But who was amplifying Dr. Fouchy? He couldn't have done that all by himself. So what you saw in that kind of messaging and and the messaging that you know kicked me off of social media and kicked any smart important people like Dr. J Bataria Dr. you know, Peter McCulla saw off social media was and in this I was a co-plaintiff with President Trump in a lawsuit against Twitter and um Meta, you know, which eventually became Google and we won. Uh so in Discovery, we found that the Biden administration was putting pressure on the social media companies to, you know, amplify this messaging and and vice versa, right? Um so that's one set of coordinates and then I also found that the mRNA injection came from China and the IP switched over to China in 2021 for Fiser at least. Um and China was manufacturing you know a billion doses for export but not manufacturing the same flawed injection for its own population. So I saw that as definitely an act of war. Um and I think it's the same kind of conglomerate that you see with the revelations President Trump is making now with um, you know, who disrupted the vote like China flowing through all these cutouts, right? That then, you know, buy up or or flow through all these nonprofits that then affect all this and and they buy journalists, right? And and you know, the money flowing to news outlets. I mean, I tracked some of the COVID stayhome COVID get vaccinated money flowing to the BBC and the Guardian and all these places that won't talk to me anymore. They took the money and sometimes like $55 million, you know, in in one stretch from, you know, programs like a a Bill Gates program to explain public health. Well, that's a way for news outlets with tight uh profit margins, as you know, you know, working in legacy media. Um, you know, 55 million is a lot of money. A million is a lot of money for a
well all the big farmer advertising. I don't think I mean television wouldn't survive without it.
Totally. Indeed. So, these are like not the same people, but it's like a ven diagram. I'm [clears throat] sure you know now we've got the jihadis, right? We've got Qatar money flowing through uh our universities and through Congress, you know, and a bill to make sure that congressional interns have background checks, which I can't believe
they don't, you know, how possible.
And that Qatar was in was uh sort of placing these interns into congressional offices. Um, there's so many scandals. We mentioned Qatar. Let's talk about the red green alliance that you mentioned before. Um, and again, you know, this is a sort of Islamism combined with socialism, communism. I mean, I don't I think they've morphed into the same thing. Um, but h you know the the young women that are such diehard uh DSA fans, you know, Democrat Socialists of America, Mamani fans, um don't they realize that it's their freedoms uh that their, you know, short-term comrades are going to take away first after they've thrown the gays off the rooftops? Um, why why why are young women so susceptible to this DSA madness?
I wish I understood it. I mean, is there something attractive about a Hassan Per uh who said that he doesn't care if women were raped on October 7 in Israel? You know, is there something, you know, again, we're talking about that same pathology that they love to be dominated by ice agents? Is there something that attracts them to the sort of macho chauvinism of Islam? Right. Wow. This is deep. I wish I had like any studies or interviews at all because I think you're on to something. I just don't have
evidence. I can speculate. Um I mean first of all there's historical ignorance right they I I believe that a huge part of the reason for the inrush of every kind of you know sexual identity into public education is to take up space that would otherwise be devoted to civics and history. you know just even as China is educating and India are educating their kids very very you know assert like engineering and architecture and math and science um so they may these young women literally may not know you know they may not know how women are treated in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia or ye or Yemen or they may not know like I had to write an essay about you know the many millions of Somali imported to the United States to point out that 98% % of Somali women have been infibulated or had clitorctomies forced on them like they are traumatized you know and and it's a it's a criminal society and that's not a racist thing to say because they do that to every little girl you know they they do Egypt does you know over 90% of the women are are sustain clitorctoies um so that's the culture you know we're importing and I love a lot of Muslim people I've traveled widely in Muslim countries I've studied the, you know, the Holy Quran. You know, I don't want to generalize about a major religion, but there, you know, fundamentalist Islam. It has a criminal orientation toward women and girls. It's [clears throat] that simple. And these young women may not know, but you may also be on to something because the, you know, the estrogen disruption and the dialing down of testosterone that is happening in the West with men doesn't seem to be happening in the Middle East. So on college campuses you've got these very virile you know young men from Muslim countries and they do have a forceful way of seeing the world. You're right. And uh maybe this movement in addition to legitimate, you know, problems in the Middle East between Israel and Palestine, but maybe there is an attraction to I will submit to this. Islam, doesn't it mean submission um on
and I can definitely see that the you know freedom doesn't look that great to young women right now because it we've kind of ruined freedom for them. It looks like one night stands and you know anti presence and like you know a joyless future solitude
you know it here is Islam you'll be taken care of forever you'll know what to do there's a way to be you know live right and I will tell you from having visited those countries and gone to um uh Friday services Juma to show solidarity with the Muslim community in the wake of all these attacks on the Muslim community after 9/11. I would go to Jumalad and um you get so it's kind of beautiful. You get so lovebombed when you show up and cover your hair, you know.
Yes.
Just show up and cover your hair, you know, like we love you. We love you. And it's it, you know, it is a community and it is a way of life. And there are many beautiful things about the Quran because it derives from Judaism and you know same root as Christianity. And I can see I can see the appeal to a lot of these young women. I don't think they have any idea what they're getting into or what they're welcoming on into our communities. They don't understand that. Look, Jews for Palestine and I have loved ones who are Jews for Palestine. I used to be a Jew for Palestine before October 7th. You know, I wouldn't have called myself a Zionist. I was very vocal about um Palestinian human rights and you know Israeli human rights and I really believed you know we could have part a partnership for peace in the Middle East. I no longer believe that. I'm afraid. I want to but I do not think Hamas is and the kind of um you know radical Islam that you have to subscribe to in Gaza and many places on the West Bank. I don't think it will let there be partners for peace. I don't think it will let there be let's build up our society side by side. I think that time is gone unfortunately. You know, from the river to the sea is a shift in discourse. You know, it didn't used to be like that. It was a two-state solution. Well, that's no one is saying two-state solution. Um, so I I I don't know when these young women will realize the kind of fire they're playing with, but I hope they do soon because it's definitely them uh who will be losing their rights in a Sharia dominated culture.
Yeah, I I remember back in uh when the Afghanistan war was happening and um there were, you know, these terrible stories about warlords who used to take uh little boys from villages and treat them as their sex slaves, their tea boys. And I know Australian soldiers were disgusted and American soldiers too by having to um sort of break bread with these warlords and have them as their allies. Um but I remember thinking and because I had young young boys, I remember thinking, you know, if I was a mother in one of those villages, I would embrace the Taliban and happily put on a burka uh just to protect my son from being taken by a warlord. Um, there are things worse than submitting, you know.
Well, Miranda, you've touched on something that people in the West do not understand that in many parts of the world, that's the reality. You know, you have to align with one gang or another because there is no rule of law. There is no, you know, uncorrupted judiciary. There is no police force that isn't going to bribe you or rape you if I mean take your bribes or rape you and and take your daughter if or son if you don't you know pay them off. So those are the choices you know and and that's why Islam fundamentalist Islam is is um spreading so fast. I fear this is why baby Marxism is going to be spreading so fast because if you don't like as my husband likes to say if you don't it's like prison. If you don't choose a gang you're completely vulnerable. um you have no protection at all. And people in the west do not understand that. They think, oh, I can, you know, I can dabble in Marxism or I can dabble in, you know, wearing the kafia and saying death to America and there will be no blowback. And that's just not true.
What do you mean that that baby Marxism is something that people embrace because they're afraid? What are they afraid of if they don't. of being ostracized by their peers or
well I guess I guess right now you know the the the fear of like calling it out as the left says in it, you know, in its extremism the fear is that you'll be cancelled right? I mean, I hear from uh people I love who are active in on the dem side like if you raise any issue with, you know, men and girls sports or any kind of or you know, the Marxists or you know, it you're just done. You you can't I mean, it's it's a circular firing squad. You can't raise any issues at all. You just have to go along with all of it or else you're exiled, right? Um but I I think I was thinking kind of further down the road than we've reached. And I honestly I'm thinking about the hints we're getting that um elected officials are being um threatened or
you know compromised in some way and and just my intuition as an observer of politics that all these people don't roll over like this unless there's something else that we don't know. And and I keep thinking I think there's a story we don't know yet, right? That that is, you know, opening the door to the Trojan horse, right of the DSA. I'm thinking about the massive electronic
Compromise of our voting records by China in partnership with Microsoft. Well, all the illicit emails people might send, all the dickpicks, all the, you know, instructions to their accountants, that's also often Microsoft, right? So, China could have all of that. We don't know.
Um, I mean, if if if there are all these unvetted interns, you know, maybe they're honeypots. Like, I don't we don't know, right? But for reasons we don't know, the elite are not acting like normal elites, defending their rights and prerogatives, defending their castle against the insurgents. They're just letting the insurgents in. So, um, I guess I was also just thinking about history in addition to whatever that is, which we don't know, and maybe it's nothing, but that's what it looks like.
When Marxists get a little further um and this is happening in New York where I live most of the time in Brooklyn there's so much and national socialist did this Mussolini did this like the brown shirts and the black shirts right the the gangs outside of the synagogues right these are informal not informal the gangs throwing you know snowballs with glass in them at the police you know the the you know lone arsonist setting fire all the churches and you know somehow the churches don't have sprinkler systems that are activated you know like I call it memo on social media when there's stuff happening all over the west and all over North America all at once that looks like spontaneous chaos but is really you know very a very predictable um set of stages of early uh fascism or early totalitarianism um executing itself.
>> Fascinating. I mean, Antifa, of course, is the classic example of that with the summer of love in 2020 and that uh you know, the eruption, the seemingly spontaneous eruption of street violence and arson and looting um in poor neighborhoods after uh the George Floyd incident, which um
Well said. Sorry to interrupt. Go ahead.
>> Well, I mean, just that's it. I mean, Antifa um and and I mean, we've only just had the Trump administration and with some fantastic speeches from um Marco Rubio and um Scott Bessant and uh Steven Miller about the threat of communism, but uh also talking about left-wing terrorism being suppressed and ignored uh deliberately by particularly the Biden administration, but the FBI, all our national security apparatus which is supposed to keep us safe um just ignored one of the most dangerous threats.
>> Yes. Unless they were all hired by the same people. I mean you know the the evidence is administration was compromised by taking $3 million from a high level Chinese intelligence asset. And
>> you know I I felt you could see the fingerprints of China all over um that administration. I believe that um I believe it's been documented in this wave of revelations that China flowed money to Black Lives Matter. And you know, my husband Brian O'Shea, an investigator, has done a lot of work again tracing the money flow. He's gone undercover at DSA meetings, which is hilarious.
>> Really? Wow.
>> Yeah.
>> He comes back with, you know, I mean, terrifying explanations for why it's spreading so fast. But um
>> and what are there?
>> Well, I was just going to say China is is flowing, you know, vast sums into disrupt creating division and disruption um through these movements and through these nonprofits. Well, what he says is that um they take pe young people who are just what you're kind of gesturing at, right? like isolated, lonely, um have no real status, and they give them a complete very admirable, you know, 360° social life and community life. Here's the DSA knitting circle. Let's go bowling. Let's have tea with comrades. You know, take your pet to the petting zoo, you know, or to the dog run with the DSA. And so, you can literally do something every day of the week. And living in Brooklyn, I see how, you know, the churches are closed, the synagogues are closed because they never really reopened after COVID. They're open for like 1 hour a week. Um, it's hard to meet people if you're a young person. It's expensive. You know, you have to go to bars. And I mean, young people say it's really expensive and difficult to find community. And here's the DSA like with something for everyone. And it looks really really wholesome, you know, like clean up Prospect Park with the DSA, you know, and let's have, you know, French fries afterwards. Uh so, so that's their like no one apart from Tipping Point USA, the Democrats, moderate Democrats and the Republicans aren't doing anything like that for young people.
>> That is so interesting. So what you do is you you destroy people's uh you know these young women and some of the young men their ability to attract the opposite sex to feel good about themselves um to have any kind of a social life. Uh, and part of that's economic, I guess, in New York. Um, and then you fill the vacuum totally. And look at early the early Nazi party, right? And people, if they don't read a lot of history, really are unaware of it. It didn't start out with goostepping in the streets. It started out with, you know, the the summer camps and the coral groups and the housewife groups and the professional groups. like exactly this, you know, if you want to be plugged in and have a network and have a sense of belonging, well, the National Socialists will have a group for you. It it it was it was that, you know, before it was the goostepping and the concentration camps. They knew what they were doing. How did you end up not succumbing to the peer pressure uh and and you know the status everything that you had built in your career um you know the books, the the [snorts] uh newspaper columns, the media profile. um you were it and yet you really gave it all up just because you told the truth and you refused to, you know, not lie. I guess you could have gotten away with it if you just stopped telling the truth. So, what gave you that ability to withstand peer pressure from when you had so much to lose?
>> Well, first of all, thank you for your kind words. It means a lot to me. Um, especially from someone of your distinction because you know sometimes you sort of do think what I sometimes I do think well you know I had a place in history and now I have been thoroughly erased and no one will no one will ever know right. Um, so thank you. But I guess it's three things. Um, one is that my uh I lost well not lost I never knew eight great aunts and uncles because they were murdered uh by the Nazis. And so I I know what early fascism looks like, you know, and I've I've studied it and written a book about it called The End of America. And so when you see it, you know, it it there aren't a lot of ways like there's a blueprint. there really is a blueprint for closing down an open society. Um, so I, you know, I I recognize that. Um, the second reason is that I believe in God and uh I kind of do feel like I I'm more scared of not having done what I could to tell the truth and even save lives if I could, you know, in this lifetime when I die because I'm sure I'll have to account for myself. I'm more scared of that than, you know, being yelled at by the New York Times. And um and the last reason, you know, you you mentioned having children. I have children and I have stepchildren and they haven't had their children yet, you know, and I couldn't and there's like it's not just them. Like there's young women and young men who haven't had their children yet. I had my children, but you know, this damage that this injection did was aimed directly at reproductive health. So I had to be a mom, you know, and I had to speak up or so that people could have a choice at least and know what the risks were.
>> Yes, that's such a good uh reason. Um I mean all of them are good reasons, but uh that the fact that um you know things that were so important, we we trusted doctors and they betrayed us. So many of them betrayed us because they were cowards. So, good on you for not being a coward. Um, and can we just now go back to your childhood and um your your I I I read that you uh I think someone that you had the ultimate liberal childhood that you could do whatever you liked and there was your parents wouldn't have cared.
>> Well, I hope they would have cared, but they there were no boundaries really placed on us. Um gosh, what can I tell you? My dad was an English professor and a poet and a bohemian. um be you know before the hippie movement he was kind of hanging out with the uh the kind of Alan Ginsburggs of the Bay Area and um so he was a free spirit and my mom was also a free spirit and it was the times right I was born in 1962 so I was raised in the hate ashbury, you know, above the hate ashberry.
>> yeah, so in the middle of all of that and uh I I, you know, their their philosophy was to give us a lot of books to read and to have really interesting conversations and otherwise pretty much to trust us. Um and so I think it's insane now looking back. But
>> allowed to
>> Is that how you brought up your kids?
>> No. I mean, not the limitlessness. I was allowed to hitchhike. I was allowed to, you know, travel across the country by myself at 15. I was allowed to travel to Israel, you know, by myself during the summers. Um, when I was 15, 16, 17, I was on city buses and my brother, you know, when we were like five and seven. I mean, it's crazy. It's a miracle we weren't abducted. But it it does
>> there is something to be said for for a little bit of freeranging though.
>> We were freeranging for sure. And and it worked out. you know, my my brother's a really distinguished earth scientist and you know, I became a writer. Um, I I think that there are many advantages, but we weren't being helicoptered. We weren't being shephered from play date to play date. We were really, you know, free to to explore a lot of things. Um, so that is, I guess, the answer to to your question.
>> And I mean, you mentioned that you were uh raped, I think, when you were a child. Um, are you comfortable with just fleshing out a little bit of what happened and what impact that had on you?
>> Um, I mean, I'm not comfortable with it, but I think it's important um to talk about, you know, for women to hear people talking about it because it's such a common experience and so often shrouded in silence. Um, my parents were being very right-on, so they got a male babysitter for us when they went away for a weekend. And uh, he uh, he was a violent um, sadist. And uh, when my brother was out of the house uh, visiting his friends, this guy took me to the basement um, and showed me a short knife that he had in his possession. and raped me.
>> Oh my god.
>> And then he was there for two days. So the next day he raped me again in my >> in my bedroom.
>> Um, and threatened to kill me if I told anyone, which is again very common. Um, but I guess the only other thing and so basically I was like a hostage for 2 days because you know my parents weren't coming home till the end of that weekend and I couldn't tell my brother you know I kept trying to be alone with my brother to tell him you know that we were in danger and uh this guy always like showed up you know right when I was trying to
>> communicate with my brother so it was a very
>> Was your brother older or younger?
>> Two years older. Two years older.
>> And how old were you? I was seven.
>> Oh my god, you poor thing. How awful.
>> Thank you.
>> And and did you tell your parents or you had to keep that all secret?
>> Well, this is the part that I think did have a very big um impact on my psyche. Uh he this guy gave me great detail about how he would kill my family. You know, that he knew housing, >> you know, if I if I didn't keep his secret. And so for all the subsequent years that I was growing up, I felt like I had to be a good soldier and you know not tell um
>> the I guess blessing in disguise is that nothing really scared me after that.
>> And I mean that that must be because of you had a lot of inner resilience because I can't imagine a trauma like that. Uh, I mean, I just can't imagine at that age. What a horrible thing. Um, and so what I mean, what impact did that have on you? I guess kids are pretty resilient, you know, they they're in war and and all sorts of horrendous.
>> No, they're not resilient. They just, you know, have to absorb the trauma because
>> they have no choice.
>> Yeah.
>> Sorry, I didn't mean to contradict you. I just
>> no
>> that sentence children resilient because
>> children are so many children are traumatized they just keep going. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Well, I mean, they don't have any choice and they don't endlessly emoge about it. They just get on with it and absorb the the trauma I guess. Um and I mean, did you resent your parents for that?
>> Oh no. They had no idea. I mean
>> no
>> they had no idea. This was a student of my father's. You know, he was
>> right. God,
>> they had no reason to believe that this guy was dangerous. But I mean, I can't stress enough. I've worked at a rape crisis center and I've, you know, read a lot about sexual assault. It's so common like the person who's going to be the danger to the little girl or the teenage girl or boy is, you know, in that family circle, a trusted coach, a trusted babysitter, you know, a a stepfather, um, someone in a in a position of trust.
>> I mean, priests.
>> Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
>> Teachers. Yeah,
>> I guess.
>> And sorry,
>> go ahead.
>> No, no, go on. So what uh so you had that great secret and that trauma inside you.
>> Um, how did that manifest as you grew up? Well, one thing I do want to say, you know, especially on behalf of many other survivors of assaults by adults in childhood, is that something people don't think about enough, especially in sentencing predators is how physically violent it is for an adult body to violate a a small child's body. Um, I had physical damage you know, that
>> I couldn't talk about and that stayed with me, you know, for my whole life. Um, so uh because I I was born with spinobipida culta. So this guy injured you know me and um like children are fragile, you know, and adult men are
>> you know, more than twice their size and and I just wish that in sentencing people would think about
>> that you can't rape a child without breaking a child. you know,
>> it used to be such a taboo, you know, and now uh we're we're actually entertaining the idea um of, you know, what is it? Um that it's not pedophilia anymore. It's another sexual um fetish or another way of being, another identity. Um, we've forgotten to protect children.
>> I don't think we've forgotten. I think there's been such an effort to blur the boundaries that used to protect children. Um, and and look at what's happening in in Britain. You know, girls are being I know two women who h who were part, you know, victimized by grooming gangs. Dozens of men, you know, raping them and grooming them and raping them and um, and they've survived to to be fierce advocates. Um, and the whole judicial system in Britain seems to have been hijacked to protect these predators. And they all and memo they all say the same thing. Oh, in my culture it's there's nothing wrong with it. There's some truth to that, but you know, rape is illegal in Muslim fundamentalist Muslim countries even though child marriage is often not child marriage, but um, they're getting no penalties at all. There's it's open season on women and girls in in Britain and a lot of Western Europe. And um, I think I think these things are work together in a very profound way because I've written about um the role of rape in war and in subjugating populations. There's a reason soldiers are kind of set loose to sexually terrorize the the women of the enemy. And it's because that's how you break a society. And and with the kind of, you know, cart blanch that predators are being given in Britain and in Western Europe and it's going to be increasingly in the United States unless we push back. That's the goal is to break the women, you know, of the west so that they they can't uh be the backbone of of resistance that, you know, they are in an intact family, intact women, intact little girls
>> are much more difficult to um subjugate.
>> That's right. Destroy innocence and purity and um and sully everything.
>> Yeah. But also just trauma, you know, traumatize them, terrify them, terrorize them, you know, like when you've been raped. [clears throat] I mean, there two ways to go, right? Like you can just fight against any bullying because you recognize, oh, here comes a predator. Um, and I can survive that, right? Or I've seen this over and over in young women and like I had to work through some of it myself. or you freeze, you know, and this is a fight a physiological response. You know, there's fight, flight, and there's freeze. But so many, you know, women, the minute that there's a a gesture of aggression, and I'm not blaming them, it's it's literally a trauma response, they they freeze and then they submit. And um what a great thing to a culture if you want to take over and subjugate that culture to make sure, you know, half the population is just like, okay, okay, you know.
Well, I mean, I can't believe um recently the story about um Governor Tim Waltz um pardoning and his attorney general and a couple of other people in on that panel pardoning a child rapist. And he said, "Oh, you don't want to judge people on their worst moment, but or their worst day." But this little girl, 13-year-old girl, was being raped continually for a couple of years by this monster. How can we have got to the point where that that attitude is at all defensible? I don't think it's organic. Miranda, I think like his links to China have been thoroughly done >> and I think it's part of a a theater of humiliation that's all, you know, woven together by our enemies. It's that sentence didn't come out of his brain organically like you have to be a lunatic to say something like that. It's it's to it it's of value to our enemies because of the impact it has on you know, the the 25% of women who are not that little girl who are listening and who are like okay now the rule of law is gone no one will protect me I should just give up like that's what it's a demoralization of the United States to make statements like that.
>> well I I mean that also goes for having the transgender you know the men going into women's spaces, going into uh you know, girls locker rooms at schools. You mentioned the YMCA. Um that's all part of it, too, that there's no safe space for women. No separate space.
>> Absolutely. I mean, I'm thinking about those poor female athletes who had to change, you know, in changing rooms with fully, you know, mature men claiming to be women, 20 21 to 25% of them have already been assaulted, right? So yeah,
>> they're going to be traumatized over and over or even just their description of, you know, I went into a a a broom closet in order to, you know, change with a door to shut between me and this guy, you know, like this. It's all about making women rapable again. You know, making girls not able to trust their gut, not able to recognize when they're in danger, um, and retraumatizing them.
>> You were a brilliant student. Uh, you ended up you wrote The Beauty Myth. Uh, I think you were how old were you?
>> 26 when it was published.
>> 26, right? Uh, huge international bestseller. So how did you get to to that? How did you become so successful so quickly?
>> Good question. Um, well, I worked hard [laughter]
>> and you were smart. Yeah,
>> but you know, I'm not going to the the whole like liberal or left-wing thing now is privilege. And I will say it w, you know, it wasn't privilege. It wasn't I didn't inherit, you know, those advantages. Um, without hard work, I don't think I I would have, you know, had a best-selling book or been a road scholar. But I did work hard in school. I came from a, you know, economically lower middle class background. um culturally middle class certainly, but there was no extra money for graduate school or anything. So, if I was gonna go to graduate school, I would have to win a scholarship. Um, so I think the roads did a lot to teach me about um how to operate on a larger stage and
>> the road scholarship to Oxford
>> the experience of being at Oxford but also being in the roads community which is kind of grooms trains you not grooms that's not the right word acclimates you into thinking I'm going to be a leader I'm going to you know I have this network of people around the world that I can turn to um and then I have an uncle Dan Goldman who wrote emotional intelligence who had an agent.
>> Oh yes.
>> Uh, and he connected me with the agent and I'd been writing about beauty for my doctoral thesis at Oxford. Um, you know, in the 19th century novel and my agent and my uncle said this should be a book set in the current moment. And so my agent got me a contract and and then I would would say the huge success of that first book. That was luck because I think it it came out at just the right time that people, you know, people of your and my generation were being told feminism is dead. There are no more battles to fight, but our lived experience is there's a lot that still needs to be done. And so um I think the book addressed something people wanted to read about. Um, and you know, also I was 26 and it's always, you know, the media is always looking for the next new thing. You know, 26-year-old who can talk about social problems is always desirable. Um, that's my best understanding of how I got so lucky with my first book. And last question, how is feminism since you wrote the book in 91 to today? How do you see feminism or women's um position uh having improved or uh I think you're going to say the opposite?
>> Uh, well, no, many many things have improved for sure. I mean, we're not fighting the the battles we had to fight then. Um, and you know, even though I've been bemoning the dir of sort of fully masculine men, uh, when I wrote that book, you know, date rape was rife and there was no critique of, you know, no, no didn't mean no. And, you know, people were being ruied and so there were correctives, you know, that needed to happen between the genders. Things went too far, but, you know, the initial critique was legitimate. um many battles got won but I'm very very disappointed in women and women's women leaders and feminists leaders particularly and an essay I haven't written yet is like what was the point you know like I helped liberate all these women and empower them just so that they could collude in and be the biggest cheerleaders on lockdowns and stripping, you know, stripping other people of their libert ities and the biggest cheerleaders in mandates um without recognizing this is a section my book the bodies of others, you know, these two women on the Supreme Court arguing in favor of my body my choice in abortion rights cases and against my body my choice in you know, mandated injection to keep your job cases and not seeing that the hypocrisy there um, you know, the biggest uh colluders with Sharia law, you know, and with jihadi sensibility turning a blind eye to women getting, you know, 73 lashes for singing in public in Iran, turning a blind eye to all the things they used to care about like child marriage and um, you know, rape of of women, systemic rape of women in Pakistan, in rural Pakistan, turning a blind eye to the stripping of of rights of women in fundamentalist Muslim countries. Like, where are they now? you know, not speaking up about the the cratering of women's fertility as a result of this injection. Nowhere are they being coherent or consistent or brave. And I just feel like I just empowered a bunch of monsters in some ways. [laughter]
I don't think so. I think that you're more than making up for it now. And uh and I think that history will look very kindly on you eventually. and I look forward to your next um installment of the adventure of your life.
>> Thank you so much. How wonderful to speak with you. [music] You too.
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