He died and experienced the Light — Here Are the 10 Life-Changing Lessons from his NDE..

Most of the proving [music] that our soul needed to do it happened long before we came to [music] earth. And that earth is like the playground. Earth is the place that we go to play, to experience, to learn how to love. And he showed me that when we are in the presence of our creator, that [music] anything the creator wants, we want. [music] Yes, Vinnie. So, thank you so much for giving me the chance to speak to you today.

So, Vinnie had his near-death experience at 25 after taking a new weight loss supplement, which you then found out to be toxic. Today, you're the author of the book Life After Death, and uh the sequel Living the Light, which is more a workbook to accompany the first one. And you're also the founder of the Living God's Light community, which offers a variety of events including online workshops, local gatherings, and a conference in May, I believe. So, yeah, thank you again for being here with us today. And um, I'm not going to ask you to tell you an NDE story once again since you've shared it many times and I can just link below the first interview you did for the podcast, but I was hoping you could give us a concise summary of your 10 principles of light, which I think our audience will benefit a lot from.

Absolutely. Um, well, number one, thank you for having me, Danny. I I really appreciate it, man. I I am an an avid lover of IANDS, the International Association Near-Death Studies. It was the first true home that I felt in in sharing my experience because, you know, it is a family and it's an open family where anybody, you know, can come whether they're experiencers or they are just someone who's interested. Um, but I I thank you for having me and I thank for even being this platform to to to be this web for us to meet each other and to network with each other. So, um, yeah, I'd love to to talk about these 10 principles.

Yeah. Um, a little a little bit of background about how these 10 principles came to me is the the funny thing is when I was writing the book with Lynn, Lynn was my my writer and he he wrote the book. I I didn't even know there was 10 principles, but I just shared the the entire experience quite a few times with him. And in doing it, he he figured out that there was 10 very distinct principles in the experience itself. And that's how we have the 10 principles is because he he kind of put a put a string around that balloon and and tied it down so we could read it in the book. Um, but it, you know, how they came to me is I had a guide and I still have that guide. And this guide uh was there to escort me from the physical world, the tangible world of earth life, into the beyond space, which I like to call heaven or home. And in that process, he had to help me change my, he had to help me change my frequency and change my my own love energy so that I could match the place that we were going to. So really, what these 10 principles did for me is allow me to climb a ladder to get my own uh, you know, spiritual frequency high enough so that I could match what the heavenly space is.

And, um, you know, the first one, you know, Drake, who is my guide, he said, you know, Vinnie, it's really important that you know authenticity, that you know what authenticity is and you know who you really are because if you can't be authentic, you can't actually give or receive true love. To give love, you need to know who you are as you love. To receive love, you need to know who you are as you receive love. And I thought for sure, especially being 25, I was quite confident, that I knew who I was. I didn't need anyone to tell me who I was. And so Drake, he showed me all these different masks that I was wearing, even at 25 years old, that I had a mask that I would put on for my parents. I had a mask that I would put on when I would go to church, or if I would go work at a club, or if I would go uh work at a construction site. Um, at the time, I had worked on a on TV and film too. So I had a a couple of masks there. I had a different mask I would wear when I was with a girlfriend. And and he showed me that underneath all these masks was a common little boy, a young a young man inside of all that. That that's who I truly was. And he helped me put those masks down. He helped me kind of peel away all those those facades that I had built around myself to find my core, to find who I truly was. And that was the first principle is, uh, you know, we've got to learn to be authentic. And I've taken that um very seriously. Uh, am I always being as authentic as I'd like? No, because I'm still on earth playing the human game. But um, I strive constantly for authenticity in what I do. Um, even in the interviews that I do, which I've done over a hundred, maybe 150 now, >> I strive to just be my authentic self and show up as my real self because if if I'm my real self everywhere I go, there's no acting needed to be done. I just get to show up as me. And that's when Drake taught me about the the next principle.

And the next principle is to know why we're here on earth. And he asked me, he said, you know, do you know why you came to Earth? And he he specifically referenced it as Earth school. Do you know why you came to Earth school? And and I said, well, yeah, we came to Earth so we could be judged. You know, either good or bad, um, saved or thrown away. That's why we're here. And that life is a test on earth. And that's when uh Drake really helped me see that most of the proving that our soul needed to do, it happened long before we came to Earth. And that earth is like the playground. Earth is the place that we go to play, to experience, to learn how to love, to learn how to create. And he showed me that when we are in the presence of our creator, when we're so close to our creator, that anything the creator wants, we want. We we can't disseminate our own thoughts even separate from the creator. So it was really important for us to step through a wall of forgetfulness and come to Earth school so that we can learn who we really are. We can learn to make choices. We can learn to build relationships. And so that was the second principle is is understanding why I was even on earth. And as as I I integrated that that understanding, uh Drake said I didn't need to believe it. I just needed to accept that it was possible. And by accepting that it's possible, that's enough for the other side to work with us. And so I said, "Yeah, I I can accept that that's possible." And that's when he brought me to the third principle, which is love everyone.

And, you know, he showed me that in this life, we tend to be uh very grouping. We tend to group our friends. We tend to group our culture, our countries. We tend to put up barriers around us and only love those who are within the circle that we create. And that that that does happen be a lot because of of religion or religion. It's it's truly an important principle for us to learn to love all in all forms, all types, all colors, creeds, religions, um, everything. We need to learn how to love everyone because everyone is the is a product of the creator or a part of the creator. And for us to love our creator, we have to learn to love all, even even those who are very hard to love. We need to learn to love them. >> Especially those, you know, at Yeah. Especially those, right? And that, you know, Drake showed me that sometimes we are the masterwork in the master's hands and we hate the very things that have sharpened us and built us into being who we are. And that's okay, but we still need to love them at some level. And learning to love everyone, that was that was a a bit of a one, a bit of a big one for me. And that moved him forward into the fourth principle, which the fourth principle was Jake showed me that that we all have a direct connection to our creator, but it's not an outward connection. It's not like a cell phone. It's not a web address. It's not an email. It's an inward connection that we all have that that if we want to build that, we need to learn to listen to this small voice inside of us. And that small voice is a direct connection to our creator. And this this voice is really important. Um, I can't me who I am now. I can't go a single day without listening be because of what I do for uh my living. I help others learn to listen to that voice. And in doing so, I h I really have to listen to it myself because I I can't teach them something I don't do. I can only teach them what I do. And and so that listening to that inner voice is a a big part of us feeling success in the modern era, the modern day, and us turning away from the inner voice and turning towards like our cell phones for a voice, turning towards the outside world for direction, that we will always be confused and we won't be able to bring ultimate truth until we learned to listen to that voice inside of us. And that that got Drake helping me and moving me forward and helping me listen to the fifth principle, which it it played off of listening to that inner voice.

He showed me that, you know, this happened when I was 25. So this was a while ago. It was more than two decades ago. He showed me that in the future that there would be technology that would easily replace God for most of us. >> Wow. >> And that I needed to learn now, which was back then, how to strike up a healthy relationship with technology instead of an unhealthy relationship. Because what we put our attention on, we eventually worship. And, you know, unfortunately, something I see almost on a daily basis is everybody worshiping their technology. And we have to get better control and learn to um honor certain ways of using technology so that it doesn't become our god. It becomes a tool to help us in our lives, but it doesn't become something we worship. And, you know, I've had people say, "I don't worship my technology." And I ask them, "Well, what's the first thing you do as soon as you wake up?" >> Yeah. >> And they go, "Well, I check stocks or I check the news or I check this. I check emails." And and I told them, you know, our ancestors when they would first wake, they would go and speak with God. And so if we're putting our phone in there, that's the same as as the old religion with God, but putting it putting technology as the God. And and for me personally, I I follow a program called the Hour of Power. And that's the first 30 minutes when you wake up and the last 30 minutes before you go to bed. What you put in that window, you know, at the very beginning of your day, the very end of your day, you're you're framing who you are. And if you're putting the outside world, you're putting news, you're putting, you know, money stuff or crypto or entertainment, you know, Netflix, if you're putting all of these things in that space, then that's what you're worshiping. And you're also sending your soul on on a directional path to think that this thing that you're reaching for first thing is some kind of God or some type of leader of you. And we don't have to be that way. We get to be the creators of our own world. And the only way to do that is to to truly ignite that personal relationship with creator. So honoring your your relationship with technology instead of letting it abuse you. Use technology in healthy ways. Put put rules, boundaries, and limitations around it. And you can only uh be better for it and not worse.

And that brought him to the sixth principle, which the sixth one, which is release all prejudice. Um, I thought for sure this was going to be smooth sailing for me. I was I was raised in a a bracial family. I was raised with um friends from all the colors of the rainbow. I just I really felt I had zero prejudice in me at all. And when he said that, you know, Vinnie, you've got to release all prejudice. I said, 'Well, that's easy. It's already done. I don't have any prejudice.' And he goes, well, if you don't have any prejudice, how do you feel about prejudice people? And I was like, oh, I'm going to tell you about prejudice people. I I went off. I went off. I literally went off and I just said there, you know, I said all sorts of mean things. Um, probably true, but still mean. I said a lot of things about prejudice people. And when I got done, Drake, he showed like a little almost like a little cartoon in my mind. He showed that I was believing myself to be non-p prejudice, but by me having prejudice even towards prejudice people, I was shifting teams and I myself was becoming prejudice. >> Yeah. >> And this one, this one I felt expand my consciousness. I I physically felt my consciousness expand with this one. No one had ever shown me that before. And the world for sure didn't teach me that. the world taught me the opposite. But this was something that was quite hard for me. And uh, you know, Drake showed me with one particular friend I had, he did have some strong prejudice. I didn't agree with his prejudice, but I also wouldn't fight him on it when he would when he would speak about it. I I would judge him a little. I would put a little judgment on him as, oh well, he's just prejudice. And, you know, Drake gave me a a vision of why this particular individual had that prejudice and that there's a very sad story inside his life that had built that prejudice into him. And that I needed to love that, even people who are embracing prejudice, that they have their own journey and it's not my job to judge them. I need to embrace a total love for all. That means I don't need to support the prejudice, but I need to love the being, the soul, even if they act prejudice. So that that one was a really big one for me. I I actually felt because we were moving through space while this was all happening and I felt that the momentum of us moving, it had slowed down while I struggled with this. And finally, when I I had I had chosen that I could believe that this is possible and that it was likely something I needed to embrace, that I could feel us our momentum speeding back up and we were again moving rapidly towards our destination.

And that's when Drake brought up the seventh principle. And the seventh principle is that we with our minds, with our thoughts, we have the power of creation, that what we think about, we start to create. And if if we don't learn that power, then it's other people's influence on our thoughts that will end up creating our universe or create our reality, right? And that we have this magic gift. Some may call it the the Aladdin's lamp or the magic wand, but the magic wand is our thoughts. If we can choose to have those positive thoughts and continually do so, we will we will influence the very physical universe in changing to be more in alignment with what we're thinking. And so if we think the universe is a dark, scary place, we will perceive the universe as a dark, scary place. If we perceive the universe as a place full of light, inspiration, and love, we will then start to see the universe turn into a place full of light, inspiration, and love.

And that's when Drake got me to the eighth principle. The eighth principle is to to understand that if our thoughts can create, it's really important for us to avoid negative influences. That that doesn't mean have prejudice to them, but we don't need to go and sit oursel down in front of a negative influence and expose our our soul, our energy to that negative influence. So it is important to avoid negative influences, uh, especially regarding our thoughts because those thoughts do create. And that brought me to the ninth principle. And the ninth principle is that there is there's purpose in all of our life here and that there's even purpose in having evil here, having you know, bad because if we take away evil, even as an option, we take away our ability to choose. And for us to have the agency or the ability to choose, evil has to be a counterpart or or bad has to be a counterpart. And that we don't know what we're choosing if there is no choice. And that's one of the main reasons we're here is to learn how to choose, to learn how to make choices, to learn how to, you know, control and organize our thoughts. And that even evil itself has a purpose.

And that brought me to the 10th principle. And the 10th principle is that we're all one. All of us. That no matter what we believe we are, all of us here are different pieces of the same fabric. All of us, different threads, different colors, different textures, but we're all threads on the fabric of life. And the fabric of life is is woven by our our creator. And, you know, if we're all one, I cannot hate or harm another without hating or harming myself eventually. And that if I can embrace this principle, that Drake showed me the principle of the pointed finger. And the principle of the pointed finger is that when I'm sitting here pointing a finger at someone, I'm putting one point of energy towards the individual. I'm putting one point of energy up to the athetherical or God. And then I'm putting three points of energy pointing back at myself. >> I love that. So there's no way to find fault with others without actually receiving fault on self. And the same goes for giving compliments and finding um praise in others, that when we can find complimentary uh thoughts or when we can find um ways to to express love to others, that we at the same rate can express that love back to ourselves. And so, you know, by the time I got through my 10th principle, I was actually coming down into the heavenly space. And it is a very, very real space. And, you know, since I had the experience, I I still battle my own human ego. My human ego wants to believe none of this is real, but it also wants to believe that none of none of anything is real, right? Um, but what I love is I haven't been able to walk away from these 10 principles ever. Not even for a day, not even for a moment. And it is my journey not not necessarily to share the principles, but to live them myself. And I share them in that attempt only just to share them as an an influence for myself. Because just like the principle of the pointed finger, if I can help others find their inspired path, I help me find my inspired path. But, yeah, that's the 10 principles, man.

>> That's brilliant. Thank you so much, Vinnie, for sharing. Well, I do have a few questions if I may. So, on >> Yeah, absolutely. That's great. So, principle number one, authenticity. I wonder if you had any recommendation uh for those that uh perhaps are trying to get closer to their authentic selves.

Remember who you were when you were 5 years old. And that's about as authentic as you can find. Yeah. >> Um, I have this little joke that uh up until five and after 85, you become the most authentic person. You're not trying to play any games. You other than play games for fun, right? You you become very childlike, but not necessarily childish. And that who we were at 5 years old is closer to who we really are than who we think we are in our life today. That inside of us, if you pull down all those masks, there's that 5-year-old child inside just trying to to stay out of other people's targets and to be lifted up by the world's terms or by family terms or by career terms. It's just the endeavors of the the inner five-year-old in inside of us. But if you can wake up and be just as excited to smell the flowers outside of your your house or apartment as you are to go to work and make some big accomplishment, then you know that that is your authentic self. That's the authentic self.

>> Love that. And uh then I want to go back to actually your your 10th principle. I wonder if you had any suggestions for for those that want to perhaps uh uh perceive that sense of oneness that you talk about a little bit more because as you mentioned, you know, separation, divisions, it is uh it's ubiquitous these days. I mean, look at, you know, wars, racisms, even depression, for me, they're all acts of separation in some ways. So what can people do to feel a bit more united?

Well, one thing that I love to do is is wake up in the morning and and ask myself, who can I serve today? Who can I express love to? Who can I share my my light to? Who can I serve? And uh when someone pops into my mind, I will I will strive to serve them that day. On other days, there's no name or face that pops into my mind. So, I will go into u kind of a meditative state and I'll just sit quietly and I'll just focus on my breath. And while sitting there quietly focusing on my breath, things come to me. And and many of those things are simple opportunities to be kind to others and to feel what it's like to have others to be kind to you and and seeking ways of serving the the community of the world, which I'm I'm a little different than most people. I see the community of the world not just the people of the world, but every tree, every animal, every living thing, even to the the the rocks in the mountains, I feel are members in that community that we can learn to serve all of them one kind gesture at a time, whether it is just taking care of some plants in your in your yard, or taking care of uh an animal, or or better yet, taking care of your own children, or taking care of your mother, your m your father, but doing something to serve others, but not not so that you could get something in return. Do it as a shared experience of love. Do it because you love that there is a piece of your creator inside this thing that you're sh you're you're serving. And and to me, that's really a a special place for us to go to that when we can meditate, we get that small voice inside of us getting louder and it gives us our a a specific direction just for us. Not for the whole world, but just for us. And when we follow that direction, the world just becomes a better place. We realize that community is everywhere. Not just inside fences. It's everywhere when we're living in community.

>> Yeah. >> That's great. And also I'm curious to know how do you feel about prejudice people these days?

I still don't agree with them, [laughter] but I I I definitely I've learned that when I meet someone who is prejudice, I don't become anti-prejudice with them because that just makes me prejudice, right? So what I do when I meet someone who has some type of prejudice is I work with spirit and they help me heal the prejudice. >> Okay? >> They help me work with spirit and go in and help them release whatever trauma is causing them, you know, their own inner 5-year-old child. Whatever trauma is in there causing that inner child to be prejudice, there's a way to heal it through love. Absolutely. There's a way to heal it through love. In the work that I do, I I work with people from all over the world and there was one subcategory of um human profile that I I believed there was nothing I could do with them. >> Okay. And as soon as I had identified that subcategory of being, within 90 days, God brought me three clients that that lived in that box. And I had to learn how to love them even though I did not agree in any way, shape, or form of what they believed. But what I love is with two out of the three, we were able to help them heal past and through their own prejudice completely. >> And and not necessarily be reformed, but healed, >> but healed from it. Yeah. >> The third one passed away, so we didn't we didn't get enough time with the third one. He passed. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. [laughter] Oh, that's brilliant. >> Now, now I just work with him in spirit. Yeah. >> Yeah. There you go. Okay.

So, actually, I did want to, as I said, I'm not going to ask you to go back to your NDE story, but the one bit that stood out from his story is um and going back to your your guide, when you saw a picture of an old man during a history presentation in that small town of Wyoming. >> Yeah. >> Would you like to to share this little story with the audience?

Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, I had my experience. Um, I I was declared dead on January 18th, 2003. I was put in the body bag. Um, a rookie medic. He broke the rules. He broke protocol. He resuscitated my body. I was still brain dead for three days. Um, on January 21st, I checked out of the hospital on my own on my own accord. And uh despite doctors not wanting to let me go, and I I struggled for weeks and months with wanting to live here because after you go there, and everyone who's been there, we all feel the same draw that this this is a complete downgrade compared to there. You could be you could be the king of the world here and it's still a downgrade compared to there. So, I wanted to go so bad, but I met my own angel who is my wife. And in meeting her, I would talk about my experience all the time with her. And I talked so often about this Drake, this individual named Drake, that she felt like she knew what he looked like. She had asked me so many questions about how he looked. And here we were. It was uh right before we were going to get married. We were in this little town in Wyoming watching a a high school play about the history of the town. And up on the big screen is a picture of Drake. The hard part was though, it didn't say his name was Drake. It said his name was Charles. But that didn't that didn't uh that didn't, you know, sway me or or Andrea. But she knew. So, she was like, "That's Drake. That's your guide." And as soon as I looked up, I I couldn't speak. I I froze. It It felt like someone poured cold ice water down my back. And we went directly from this high school uh a few miles away to where my grandmother lived because she had the same maiden name as this guy. So, I came barging in her house and I go, "Grandma, grandma, grandma, who's this Charles guy? Who is he? Who's Charles Kazair?" And her her response was, "Oh, you mean great grandpa Drake. He's kind of famous." >> So, so even she knew him as Drake. But the neat thing is on all official records, he was not known as Drake anywhere. He was always known as Charles. He did have a middle name of Drake, but he saved that exclusively for family to use so that he could know instantly by what you were calling him if you were uh, you know, someone through his job or you were someone from his family. So anyone who was close as family, they'd call him Drake. But in in official capacity, which he had a lot of official capacities back in his day, he was he was officially known as Charles. Yeah. So it was it was a sweet it was a sweet revelation for me, a sweet confirmation. It still wasn't enough for my ego. My ego still wanted to battle me on it. And, you know, after about 2 years of listening to spirit and seeing countless miracles, complete miracles. Um, you know, one of which, uh, it really shifted me about, uh, 8 months after all that happened. I was restarting life with with my wife and we were we were starting a whole new life together. We were newlyweds. We were poor. Um, I had just recently cleared myself of all debt. And so, we were really, really poor. And it came time I had some money and I could either give it away or I could fix my car and spirit told me to give away the money. >> And, you know, my human my flesh, it said no, you keep that money and you go fix your car. And I went to bed telling spirit. I went to bed. I said, "I'm going to give away this money, but I need to know that my car is going to be okay because it's the only car we had, and I needed it for work." So, I went to bed with the plan of giving away the money. I I had actually written out a check and sealed the envelope and mailed it. And I went to bed and while I was asleep, it's it's almost like an an auto schematic, like a automobile schematic downloaded into my brain. And as soon as I woke up, I grabbed some duct tape, a screwdriver, and a hose clamp, and I went out and fixed my car in about 40 minutes. And that car ran for another two years. >> Wow. >> No problem. And just off of that simple repair. And what I love is sometimes it takes the effort of of giving in to what spirit wants you to do so they can download into you the inspiration to carry you far further than you could have gone on your own. >> Yeah. >> And I I I'm a firm believer in that. When you listen to spirit, it it really really directs you in a positive way and it can save your life. It saved my life, I'd say more than 20 times since I had my act my my death. Yeah.

>> So you mentioned earlier about this reality being a downgrade, which obviously a recurring theme appearing. So so let's talk about integration. >> Yeah. Now let's talk about integration because I know that you came back from your ND having to deal with depression, which is, you know, often the case for many in the years. Yeah. So so would you mind telling us a little bit more about your own integration process?

Well, first off, I found that um I had everything to live for, but yet I was still sad because I remembered heaven. I even went and met with a hypnotist to see if he could help me forget that I went to heaven. >> Oh, really? >> And he tried. He tried. It didn't work. Um, he couldn't take it out of me. Um, it's because it was now, I would say, a bigger part of my soul than almost anything else in my life. So, I had to I had to learn I had to pick up my pieces and learn to be inspired to live here. And what really inspires me is when I'm able to tap into love and and help someone feel that love. Not from me, but even from the universe, from our creator, from God, but help them feel the love that is there. And it's it's radiating on us like the sun every day. And we get so distracted with life that we forget it. We we don't think about it. But I I find complete inspiration and motivation as I can help shine a light on that love every day with what I do. And, you know, I if if I worked in a a worldly job, which I've done a lot of worldly jobs, I don't know if I would have the inspiration to still be here today. >> It's only by following the inspiration of spirit that has allowed me to thrive and be happy. Yeah. Meditation is huge though too. Meditation is huge. I meditate two, three times a day. um on a bad day, on a good day, maybe 20 times, like a lot. Yeah. What I love is one thing that we can all do is be more conscious as we breathe. Because if we can be conscious as we breathe, it helps invite heaven to be a little barrier between what we are and who we are and what we're experiencing. Like uh one way of breathing that's really effective for me and it'd be cool we could do it together right now is spirit calls it Yahweh breathing and it's doing a deep inhale through the nose and then a tight controlled exhale through the mouth and just do doing two of those, you can substantially feel better about what's going on around you, whether it's good or bad, doesn't matter, you feel better about it. um just by doing two simple breaths. So you want to do it right now?

>> Well, you know, I've never done this before, but maybe, you know, our audience could benefit from that. So yeah, why don't you facilitate this meditation? That'd be great. >> Thank you.

>> So So what you do is is all you do is um close your eyes and you do a the biggest inhale through the nose that you can do. And then you do do a tight controlled exhale through the mouth, almost like you're squirting water out of your mouth. Okay? So we'll we'll do two of those. We'll go inhale, tight controlled exhale. Inhale. Exhale. All right. How do you feel now?

>> Actually, I'm a little relaxed. Yeah. Little buzzing of yours, but yeah. Nice. >> Yeah. Isn't it Isn't it really neat that, you know, one of the first versions of Yahweh as a name? >> It it it means the breath of consciousness. >> Okay. And I think that's why spirit calls that Yahweh breathing when they taught it to me is it's it's a way that we can invite consciousness into into what's going on in our world. And, you know, for so many of us, sometimes we feel like we're in the automobile. We're gripping the steering wheel and we're afraid. We don't know if we should go right, we should go left, we should go straight. And all we need to do is stop and do the breathing. And then we realize it's not even us in the driver's seat. We're pretending we're driving. That the universe is actually driving the automobile and that we're in the back seat with our little toy steering wheel and we think we're driving. But it allows us to embrace what is and start directing our energy to what we would like.

>> Yeah. >> Cheers for that. >> It's awesome. Yeah. >> Very powerful. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And it takes really, you know, 20 seconds. So, you know, there's really no excuse. >> Absolutely. That's great. Well, so the the next question is is going to sound a little obvious by now, but I do need to ask you, are you afraid of death these days?

Not at all. Not at all. [laughter] I'm not I'm not going skydiving without a parachute, but uh but I'm not at all scared. You know, a couple years back I was on an airplane with my family and there was really bad turbulence and there was people like screaming and stuff. >> I'll be one of them. And I reached over I reached over to one of my to my teenage daughter and I kind of shook her leg and I said, "We were this close. We are so close. We almost got to go." [laughter] And she was like, "Dad, don't do that." But yeah, I I'm not afraid at all. I'm very excited about it. I I just hope I get to stay next time. Yeah.

>> So, do you get a little homesick still occasionally? Yes. And when it hits me really bad, it's usually after I lose someone who I love and they get to cross over. I do feel bad for the survivors and but but even, you know, even worse, I actually feel >> little jealous almost a jealousy that they got to go before me. You know, it's kind of like seeing somebody in line at Disney World and they get to butt in line and you're like, "Ah, no fair." [laughter] >> Yeah, I know that. >> So, to me, I'm excited about it. Yeah.

>> Well, that's great. Well, so you spoke about quite a few uh lessons today. I wonder if you had to pick the biggest lesson that you've learned from your NDE, what would that be?

That we're all one. For sure. That we're all one. You know, when I when I go out in the outside world and I see something that bothers me, I don't look at that thing and think, "Ah, I'm angry about this." I look at that thing and I look inside me and I go, "Where is that thing inside me? And why is that bothering me?" And it's the same thing when I see something outside of me that inspires me. I look at that and see, wow, where inside me do I have that thing and and how can I amplify it? How can I build it? Yeah. >> Yeah. Because No, no, I love that because at the end of the day, we're all mirrors of one another. I want to start to recognize that. Yeah. >> That's great. There's been many people I've worked with that they they're stuck in a bad relationship and all they do is end that relationship only to start another bad relationship that we need to fix our inside self and and when we do, we find that the outside people around us that we used to find issues with, we don't find issues with them anymore. >> So true. That's great. Lia, I do need to ask you, what's your idea of God these days?

My idea of God is the light that comes from the sun, the light that's reflected off the moon, the light that comes from the eyes of a stranger, the light that a a child looks up at us with or gives us a hug with. The light that a mother gives to her adult son while he struggles through his life. The light that that even religious leaders show the parishioners or the parishioners show the religious leaders. But it's so complex and so dynamic that we can find that light everywhere. Everywhere. And to me, God is God is we can read God in the in between the lines. God is not this, you know, big old man hanging out in a cloud. God is a sliver of light inside every single one of us. And if we can learn in groups to ignite and amplify that light, we will watch groups of people show up and show God. We will see these groups do miraculous things. I've already seen it myself firsthand. We will watch miracles happen when groups come together and and bring their light together. Yeah. To me, that's God. Everywhere that you can experience that light, that is God.

>> Absolutely. So, perhaps now would be a good time to talk about your Living God's Light community. Would you like to tell us about what you're working on?

So, we have a a a great community. It's called Livebeing God's Light. Um, we have a a nonprofit called LivingGodsLight.org. And in this in this community, we're building a network first virtually, but then we're going to build it physically as well where people can come together, we can heal each other, we can uh serve each other, we can minister to each other, we can teach each other. Um, it's really taking everyone who can love, honor, and respect everyone else's beliefs, everyone else's different colors that they show up in, and and really seek to love the light that is in all beings. And that's what Living God's Light is all about. it. Right now, we're we're just in our our baby infancy, but we we forecast this to grow in perpetuity where maybe my children or grandchildren are moving to actual living Godlike communities where um they don't need the governments, they don't need these man-made structures of organization, but they're able to dwell in complete harmony with each other out of love, respect, and uh especially about uh or over the importance of that personal connection to the creator.

>> That's brilliant. Well, best of luck with that. You know that I fully align with your vision. I'm part of your community, you know, full disclaimer. So, so yeah, that's great. I have one last question for you. What's the meaning of life?

The meaning of life is to learn how to use our light. That's the meaning. We We are born here with so much light in us. When we're children, even children raised in abused homes, they still come with so much light in them. Me being one of those. And it takes a lot for the world to dampen that light and to take it from someone. But as we can reflect that light on each other, it amplifies it inside us all. And so to me, the the purpose, the meaning of life is for us to come here, remember who we truly are, and love and support each other the way we would if we knew who is standing in front of us, who is sitting next to us. And that is a fractal of God.

>> Yeah. Well, to be honest, with that said, I don't think much else needs to be added. That's it. [laughter] >> Vinnie, thank you so much. It was wonderful conversation. I truly thank you for the work that you're doing, the light that you carry, and yeah, I wish you all the best. Bye for now.

Thank you so much. Thanks for having me and and thank you for being there. This is such an amazing amazing organization. And if you if you're even interested at all in IANDS, please go to IANDS.org. or because it is a life-changing place to be at a convention where I would say at least a third of the participants have either been to heaven or had some type of heaven experience and that that changes the physical place. And I've talked to to two of our old locations where we've had conventions and both of them said the same thing that their resort that that it was held at was changed for months after we were there. It changes the space. And, you know, get yourself involved even as just a uh somebody who's interested in it. Come come uh join us in Seattle in, you know, the first weekend in uh September, the last weekend of of August, and then also come uh to Living God's Light having our convention in May. So, yeah, first weekend in May in Salt Lake City on that one. Yeah.

>> That's great. Thank you for the plug by the way. Really appreciate it. >> All the best and bye for now. All right. >> Thanks, Danny. >> Hi there. Well, thanks for watching. [music] If you enjoyed this video and want to support the community, please leave a like, subscribe, and maybe share with the ones you love. New episodes are out each Friday. Until then, enjoy this dream we all call life, and leave the love you wish to see in the world. Bye for now.