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The highlight for me out of any of the speakers was Jeff Nusatelli, and he unfortunately, he was the last one. You know, it was the third day on Monday, and a lot of people had already left. So they, they had actually made the room smaller, but his speech to me was the most emotional. It was the most direct. We gave him a clapping ovation at the end. It's really unbelievable.
I, I'm really sorry I missed, um, Jeff Nusatelli speaking because, like others, it wasn't just a case of I wanted to get home. Um, when the event was released, I think we all thought it was going to be Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and it would be finished on Sunday night. And then I booked flights, like many folks did, returning early on Monday morning. And, uh, then the agenda came out, and it was Saturday, Sunday, Monday morning.
>> So you missed Jeff, but you, you got to meet him in the background, right? You, you talked with him.
>> Yeah. Um, done like a, a short interview with him, like 10 minutes, just speaking about his experience at the hearings, um, his thoughts on kind of the situation now and going forward. Um, and then I got a kind of good, kind of probably half hour just chat with him walking around the hotel. Um, same with Ryan Graves. Spent about 45 minutes getting, I bought Ryan a couple of drinks as a thank you for kind of everything he's done. Um, I wasn't drinking myself over the weekend. Um, but got to chat with him for a while. Um, and yeah, but I'm really sorry I missed Jeff because I think, am I correct to say Dylan Borland was meant to dial in remotely, but I don't think that happened.
>> Yeah, he wasn't there.
>> But yeah, again, really sorry I missed Jeff and I Whitley on the last day, and, and James Fowler as well. James Fowler was one I was really looking forward to hearing from. Um, and I did not get the opportunity to even see him in the hotel.
>> Yeah, I saw him just walking down the hall briefly and shook his hand, but then that's it. You know, I didn't know about these underground, uh, tunnels. Maybe they're all sneaking around down there, the big wigs.
>> Well, I did. Yeah, I did wonder if some of them maybe were in the hotel along, along the way. And there was some other restaurants and stuff. Um, yeah. Um, but yeah, interesting. And when I say underground tunnels, folks, it's not like, uh, they're kind of dug out in dirt and, you know, secretive. They were like beautifully decorated, expensive pictures on the walls, all that kind of stuff. Um, but yeah, really interesting. And James Fowler's talk was one that I'm sorry I missed, and I, I'll definitely catch up on the, on the re-stream.
You know, SOUL really tries to bridge the gap between the, the hard science and consciousness studies, but I thought it was interesting. All of this, the, the speeches were very like, you know, by the book. Uh, no real mention of woo as much. You know, Whitley Streiber did ask some questions, which, which I'm glad was brought up.
But the speeches, you know, seemed very sanitized, if you will. But then it seemed like all of the discussions, you know, behind the scenes were all about like consciousness, uh, the woo, uh, different investigations going on. Was that your take as well?
Yeah, I think, um, they, they made a point, didn't they, early on? Was it evening in the opening remarks that they wanted to keep the conversation grounded? And, and they do, they are at pains, I think, to say they're not dismissing the experience or part of this conversation or story, but I know this was, this was an issue, wasn't it? Was it from the first SOUL symposium where Whitley Streiber was meant to speak or it was something like that, and it, it was, it was removed late on, um, and I don't think Whitley was happy with that, and other folks weren't happy with that. But I do see how they're trying to pull in folks like Fabio Damasi, who's a sitting member on the European Parliament, to have a conversation, which he is quite new to, and he admitted that himself, but is very much invested in. And they're trying to, to pull in academics and scientists and officials and politicians. And I know some folks don't like to hear it, and I, I've hosted multiple experiencers on my show, and I'm very much happy to have that conversation.
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I'll tell you, I'll tell you what was really interesting, a takeaway I've got from the event, and I mean this in a real, a really good way for me anyway. I would say, and this isn't just the speakers, but, um, high-profile attendees aren't all on the same page.
Um, but for me, in a positive way, um, person A and person B that you think might agree with each other or be pushing in the same direction, they don't all have the same ideas and don't necessarily agree with what they're doing completely. Um, and I don't mean that in a really underhanded, nasty, secretive way, but it was like people are still individual, and they have different end goals. They've got different methods and skill sets they can bring to help contribute. But if it was me and you, Chris, for example, I might be going, actually, I like what Chris does with this and this, but I don't like how he's approached this because it doesn't make sense to me. I would have done it this way, and I know other folks who agree. But then Chris, you would have folks who agree with you and like the way you're doing things. But that was a positive for me that you're not turning up to an event at all and it's almost like a cult where everyone is saying the same thing and doing the same thing. I like when people disagree and can share different opinions because I think that's how you get real progress as opposed to being just an echo chamber where, no, we're just going to do this and we all think this and that's going to get us where we want to be. Because I think when, when you hit a dead end or you run into issues or stonewalling, it can be very hard to pivot and move in a different direction.
Yeah, I completely agree. Um, you had very disparate viewpoints, like Jeff Nusatelli, you know, talking to him in the bar, and it was amazing getting to meet him. I'm so happy that he's out there, and I can't wait to have him on, on the podcast, hopefully. Um, you know, he said the battle's just begun.
>> That was his argument. Like, we just started. Like, everyone's saying, "Oh, it's been shut down. Disclosure Act was closed."
Um, so from him, it was, "Yeah, we just, this thing just got kicked off, and now it's really going to happen." I kind of got that impression from Ryan Graves as well, whereas other people, um, you know, Carl Nell's speech, uh, seemed like the opposite. But on the Sunday, I ended up having to record with Jeff Nusatelli and Dr. Ia Whitley.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I missed that kind of late morning session before Tim Galedet. I was surprised how charismatic Tim Galedet is, and I don't mean that disparagingly. Um, he's very good on stage. He's got a presence. Obviously, he's very tall in stature as well, but he holds an audience. And I enjoyed, like you mentioned Carl Fosil being funny, and I missed that. Yeah.
Tim Galedet had a sense of humor in his presentation and kept bringing it back to really serious points, but yeah, linking data, maritime awareness, undersea data, and patterns of UAP detection over oceans, but he, he had a laugh with it, and he could bring people into the conversation, and that helped the flow for me of of his conversation. Um, and yet urging collaboration between the Navy's ocean science community and civilian researchers. Um, and he talked about the suggesting the phenomenon crosses many domains, arc in space, and that requires unified monitoring. Um, and his message, curiosity is not weakness, it's national security done right.
>> So the idea that you've got compartmentalization across different ways of monitoring different phenomena or the same phenomenon, but they're not all talking, they're not all collaborating, they're not all sharing data, and that's a real miss straight off the bat, and that's something that has to be fixed.
>> Yeah, I think it just shows the, the benefits of having a flag officer, you know, on the UAP disclosure team because,
>> I think he's the only American admiral or general actually pushing for this or at least openly talking about disclosure. And that's what I noticed in my career in the Air Force is, um, from the generals, it was either a one or a zero. You know, you, they were either just amazing, amazing people, amazing leaders, like you mentioned, could light up a room. Um, you want to follow them, or they were, they thought they were General Patton and they were just tyrants. There was nothing in between when I saw as the generals. And it seemed around when I started, it was like 50/50, and then luckily, as later in my career, it was more of the, of the great leaders you want to follow. And he was certainly among the great leader.
>> Um, group, you know, so admirals and generals are, are leaders, and they speak, you know, they speak, and they're used to speaking in large crowds.
>> So I, I wasn't surprised in the least that his talk was so engaging, charismatic. The other person is Jeff Nusatelli. And from hearing his speech, it was the same like,
>> Um, but he was an enlisted leader, but I could tell immediately that he was a leader, and he's used to, he's used to talking.
>> Uh, in front of a lot of people, and he was a leader of security forces. So a lot of those cases when he talked about in Vandenberg, when they were getting all these reports, like he was the, he was in charge, right? He was the enlisted member in charge who was receiving all these reports. And so he was the, the military enlisted leader, or at least high up leading the troops on the ground.
>> Yeah.
>> And his speech, yeah. Again, I already recommended definitely watch Jeff's speech, but the same thing. He's a leader, and I'm really excited that Jeff is, is out there, and I see him kind of really leading the whistleblowers.