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You're taking the Bible as a fact book, which really doesn't make sense because it has like a million, not a million, but like a lot of different authors. And also, there's four birth stories. So, you know, one author, God is the author, but a lot of people transcribe.
Okay, okay. But if God, God is not the author, the people, certain people wrote the Bible. They, they transcribed it for sure. From what? Well, Moses heard from God and he transcribed Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. But Moses wasn't alive when all of these other people were writing the same book.
Okay, right. So what you're talking about is, again, we're there's one author, many transcribers. But that actually proves the point of the Bible because if there was only one person that wrote it, then, might, it might have been just kind of one person's opinion. Instead, you have Solomon who wrote Proverbs and Ecclesiastes, King David who wrote Psalms, and then you have Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. And then you have Paul who wrote 1 and 2 Corinthians, Romans, and 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, and Jude. It kind of proves the point that all these, these people weren't all like working together, yet 66 different books all came to the same conclusion: there is a God, we are not him, we're in constant rebellion against that God. That God loves us so much because God is love, that he sent his son on a rescue mission to save us from our broken nature so that we can live forever.
I'm sorry to interrupt you, but you're getting off topic. So basically, did I get off topic? Guys, think I did. Because if, okay, it's okay. But so, but it doesn't all come to the same conclusion because there are multiple stories of, in different books, there are multiple stories of the same story. And all of these writers, like, what do you mean, like the birth of Jesus? Yes, but they're not contradictory. That's actually pro, they are contradictory. How is the birth of Jesus? Explain to me. I, I mean, I'm certain some of the stories say that it happened at a different time. Some of them say that they happened at a different place. No, no, that's interesting. So that's not contradictory. That actually proves the point. So for example, if right now, God forbid, there was a big car accident and there were five witnesses. Someone would say, well, I think he was wearing a yellow shirt. And someone would say, well, I think it was like a yellowish-red shirt. And someone would say, I think the car was red. And then what the fact gatherer does is they'll see a pattern between that because even when you have a lot of eyewitnesses, not everyone's eyewitness will be exactly the same, but everyone will agree, oh, there was a car accident. So and that's how the birth of Jesus was. They weren't disagreeing that there was a virgin birth or that it happened in Bethlehem, but some of their like details might have been inconsistent, which actually proves the Bible is true. It proves that they were not all deriving off the same canonical document. It proves that these were four different accounts that went out to try to find the, the truth, and people might have had different variations of it, but they were talking about the same elemental events.
But if the goal towards the Bible is to find a general consensus, then why are we taking like little lines, little verses, and we're taking them as completely factual? Such as, well, for instance, in Leviticus, it talks about like a man laying with another man. In 19, yeah, a man shall not lie with another man, shall be stoned to death, which actually has been proven to be like trans, at wrong, and it was actually about, but that, that is not correct. But that literally going back to the original Hebrew, it's Adam shall not lie with another Adam. I'm, you're totally wrong on that. But, but anyway, especially if you were wrong, if you were correct, why also did God destroy Sodom for the of hom? Why is it repeated in Titus and in Jude and Second Corinthians? But, but whatever. The point is that you're saying, don't cherry-pick verses, is that what you're saying? Yes, but the point still stands where we are taking individual verses and we are putting them towards our core beliefs. Why are we doing that? Because if we're, the goal is to find a general consensus, a lot of these verses do not have that much like clear set, like guidelines that it actually is.
You're not making a bad point. We added verses. Just so we're clear, in the original scriptures, there were no chapters and there were no verse numbers. Okay? So verses were inserted so that we knew what we were talking about. Imagine if you came up here and you said, well, somewhere in Leviticus, I'm able to say Leviticus 19. So we have a reference point. But what is the consensus of the Bible? What do you think it is through all 66 books and one author? What is the story? What is it trying to tell us? Well, the Bible should be taken as a book of literature with like meaning behind some of the stories rather than a factual book. What is then the literal? What, what do you think is the meaning of the Bible? Well, generally, the meaning of the Bible is to have like good morals, to treat others how you want to be treated, that kind of stuff. But it's when it's taken as a rule book, then it is taken. Aren't morals rules? Kind of, but not completely. Because some of these rules are not more, like they don't, they're not general morals. They're just tiny little rules. Like if we took any like line, we took lines out of the Bible out of context. Oh, you want to be able to eat this meat. You want to be able to play football. You want to be able to do any of that. And so it just doesn't make sense why we're.
I'm trying to take a step back. What would you say is the essence of the word of God? What do you, looking at it even from a literary meaning, what do you think is the story it's trying to tell us? The story that it's trying to tell us is that you're supposed to be nice to others. And also, also, it's trying to tell you the st, the, yeah. Well, yes, but there's, there's synonyms to the word nice, by the way. But, um, but let's go through this. Do you believe it says that God created the heavens and the Earth? It does say that. Okay, good. That's one verse. No, not cherry-picking. It's the first verse. Do you agree that the general consensus is that we are sinned and flawed beings? Yes. Okay. Does then, then does all of a sudden there is this repetition of a coming Messiah? You agree that that is repeated? Yes. But there is a certain book that was taken out of the Bible, um, that talks, I can't remember the name, but it doesn't, yeah. The Book of Enoch is not canonical. It never was to the Jews, but it's in the Dead Sea Scrolls. It's not, it's not canonical. But yes. So, but then going to, then, then I, I want to go through this. So then, yes, that there was a Messiah. Then you agree that the Bible argues that Messiah comes. But how do we know all of these books are canonical if there are certain books? That's a great question. That's where the come in, where the Jews are the keepers of the canon. So the Jews, going back 5,000 years, have been cherishing the, the Torah, plus the Tanakh, which is Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy. That's the Torah. And then we have what is called, um, then we have the Tanakh, which is, um, boy, I'm going to have to be tested here. It is, uh, Joshua, 1 and 2 Samuel, 1 and 2 Chronicles, going all the way through your right, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, um, Major Prophets, Minor Prophets, Jeremiah, Nehemiah. So they're the ones that count. That is canonical, right? And remember, it was Jews who then saw Jesus. So it's a direct line from the Old Testament to the fulfilled Messiah and the covenant. Then Jesus comes, like it says, Isaiah 53, like a root out of dry ground, just pops open. Here's this amazing virgin birth, fulfilled. We know that because in the book of Hagi, Bethlehem, we know that because of Isaiah, was hated by his own peers, peer spies, transgressions, every single fulfillment of prophecy happened one after the other after the other. Then he lives a perfect life, does a bunch of miracles, was literally killed, rose from the dead, people that previously hated him loved him, followed him.
But what is the story then? It says after that, because you would even agree it's not about being nice, there's something greater, right? It's that we have to do something. What is that? The Bible tells us we have to do. Well, the Bible is telling us that we have to have faith, obviously, in God and all of that stuff, and to accept. What, what do we have to accept? Well, I mean, it depends on the religion, but, um, like not the religion, sorry, denomination, but, um, like with Catholicism, you have to like accept him, like the body and the flesh, obviously, and certain things like that. But it's more of like accepting him into your heart kind of stuff. Sure. So, no, now we're getting somewhere. So instead of cherry-picking verses, so we start with creation. God created us. We rebel. We stay in a state of rebellion. He sends a Messiah. That Messiah came. And then we, as the human broken flesh, have to accept that free gift so then we can come back into permanent communion with the Everlasting Father through Jesus Christ.
But if the Bible is about finding Jesus in your heart, why are we trying to fight with people or get, like, like try to stop other people from living their lives? Well, I'm not sure what you mean by that. But the scriptures call is to call everybody to Christ. The heart, my heart is to try to bring people to the ultimate standard, which is Christ our Lord. And, and by the way, if somebody is in error, you should want to tell them the truth, right? If someone is going around saying that there is no God, you should want to tell them, no, you're wrong. Because the Bible also says those that do not accept Christ as Lord, Lord is going to have eternal judgment. It's not to go well for you. And we want to have everybody in eternal life. But if someone, for instance, is gay, and then, but why are we like going towards them and being like, oh, you can't be gay, you can't be this, acting like we're more pious? Like, well, I don't know who does that. We will say though, that same-sex attraction is not biblical, and acting on same-sex attraction is certainly not biblical. Because God created nature in a certain way, and how you act is what matters a lot more than how you feel.
But it's implied when we're voting Trump for president because Trump is very clearly against. How do we get to Trump? I thought we're talking about like the Bible and all this stuff. So, but I, we're dancing all over the place. Are you a Christian? I am Catholic. Yes. Okay, good. I'm, I'm glad. Do, because I couldn't tell based on how we're dancing around. Do you think it would be a good thing if more people accepted Christ? Yes, but not in the way that most, I feel like most Christians and most Catholics are trying to. So I'm going to try to connect. I don't agree with evangelization, really, to be honest. You don't believe in Christianity? Go and make disciples of all nations was literally the last thing that Christ said. But that's fine. So, but let me, so you believe that we should repent for our sins? Yes. How can we repent if we don't know the sins? Because things do not have to be okay. So if we're repenting for our sins, these sins do not have to be like things that are just like said, like as I'm saiding before, once in the Bible, it was said, once in the Bible, it was said a couple times in the Bible. Those things are not, they're not like core, they're not core beliefs. They're not. Well, let's just take the Ten Commandments. Which one of those do you disagree with? Well, I, I don't disagree with, to be honest. What I'm getting at, though, is that the only way we bring people to Christ is if they know how fall, they, how, how much they fall short of the glory of God. They only know they fall short of the glory of God if they know God's perfect standard and law, which what we know throughout the scriptures. So, for example, as I went through the Ten Commandments earlier, you might say, I don't violate them. Violating, do not covet, every day. You're violating, do not steal, every day. You're violating that stuff every single day. And only with that's why we need a savior. And that's why in college campus, all about me, all about me, it's myology. When in reality, we need Christ to come into our life. We need to repent. We need to get down on our hands and knees and say, Jesus, come into my life.
The problem, the problem isn't everybody wanting people to stop being Christian, wanting people to stop being Catholic. And I'm not trying to refute Christianity because I am Catholic myself. But the thing is, is that this is more of a political organization, a political thing that is going on. And why are we not separating church and state? Why? You're all over the place. That's fine. I'm, I'm not going to get into that. But I will just close by this. So I will say that the most important thing you can do in your life is give your life to Christ and make Christ known. The second most important thing is to make sure you can do the first thing. My mission at Turning Point USA is to make sure that the gospel can still be spread, that church has never deemed non-essential again. And that, look at this, through a political venue, thousands of kids now are hearing the gospel at the University of North Texas. And that's a day well spent. God bless you guys. Thank you so much. This is not the gospel.
All right, what a wonderful job by Charlie. I think we can all agree now. Look, some of the key points that he brings up is authorship and consistency of the Bible. Now, the woman argues that the Bible can't be taken literally because it was written by many authors, but Charlie does a great point. God is the ultimate author. Now, while that's, while many people transcribed the scriptures. Now, here's a good fact that the Bible has 66 books written over 40 different authors, yet all of them convey a consistent message about God's plan for humanity. Now, a good example is 2 Timothy 3:16: "All scripture is God-breathed." Now, Charlie illustrates that different authors like Moses, David, Solomon, Paul, and the gospel writers didn't know each other, yet they shared a unified message of salvation. Now, he highlights how the gospel accounts of Jesus's birth aren't contradictory, but rather different perspectives of the same event, like an eyewitness to a car accident, but agreeing on that core truth. And I saw this over 30 years as a police officer. I watched many different witnesses come together telling the same core event, but through a different lens. We also talk, he also talked about the misinterpretation of scripture where she used Leviticus as an example. Now, she claims that verses like Leviticus 18:22, "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman," were mistranslated. Now, Charlie corrects her by pointing out that this is false. Now, the fact is, modern translations are derived from extensive Hebrew and Greek manuscripts with scholars meticulously comparing ancient texts. Now, no credible scholarship supports the claim that this verse refers to anything other than a prohibition against same-sex acts. Now, Charlie also mentions how this teaching is confirmed through the Bible, like Romans 1:26 and 27, and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 10, showing the Bible's consistency of moral laws. They also bring up modern rules versus a literary meaning. Now, the woman argues that the Bible should be seen as a literary work with morals, not as a factual book with rules to live by. Now, we see some churches around America giving this same viewpoint, and these are the same churches that hang up LGBTQ+ flags, BLM flags, and other things that we see around, around some of our modern cities. Now, Charlie brings up a great point. Morals are rules. The Bible isn't just a set of moral stories, it provides God's instructions for living. Now, Jesus reinforces the commandments in the New Testament, such as Matthew 5:17 and 19, where he says, "I have not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it." Now, he also mentions that we shouldn't cherry-pick verses to fit our preferences, but we should look at the Bible's consistent teaching across all 66 books. We do see that cherry-picking happening a lot lately.
Now, Charlie also, uh, talks about evangelism and the call for repentance. Now, the woman expresses opposition to evangelism, but Charlie quickly responds with the Great Commission, Matthew 28:19, where Jesus says, "Go and make disciples of all nations." This is the one thing I love about this channel. I've had so many great comments of people coming to Christ in the comments, people saying that they now want to get baptized. I'm trying to do the best I can to fulfill that Great Commission with this channel and to make our churches safer at the same time. Now, the call to evangelize is a central part of the Christian faith. Now, Paul writes in Romans 10:14-15, "How then can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard?" Now, Charlie emphasizes that sharing the gospel is not about judging others, but helping them recognize the need for salvation. He points out that people must understand their sins, and they can, and then they can repent. Now, as Romans 3:23 says, "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." We are all sinners, every one of us, including you. Now, Charlie does a wonderful job of showing the consistency and authority of the Bible, while also emphasizing the need for evangelism and repentance. Now, this debate is a great reminder of why it's important for us to know scripture well so that we, we can respond to questions and misunderstandings with truth and confidence. I have been doing my best. I am trying. I want one day to be like Charlie Kirk, if I can talk like that guy can and debate like that guy can, so I can make more people realize what the scripture says. Says that will fulfill me beyond belief.
All right, so what do you think of the points raised in this debate? How do you respond to people who question the Bible's authority? Let me know in the comments below. Now, remember when you leave here, pray unceasingly for the safety of your family, your church, your congregation, your church staff, and I want you to always to remember your ABCs: Always Be Caring.