The Apollo Show #44 - Little Puck

[Music] Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of The Apollo Show. I'm your host, Apollo, and I'm here with the wonderful Little Puck. How you going?

Hello, how you doing? So happy to be here.

Same. We just had some amazing good times in the bedroom. How you feeling?

I feel very relaxed now. It's the end of my 12-day run. It's crazy. We, we set this up as a last-minute thing because I had a cancellation, so thank you for filling in.

Filling in? You're welcome. It was a great time. But I, I couldn't believe it when you said that this was your, yesterday was your 11th day. I was like, man, you're a machine. Because I usually do three days in a row and I'm like, I need... It's a little different for the both of us, but yeah, but I can still appreciate the emotional slash just energy it takes. Anyway, just labor for sure. You not of brain power. A lot of the stuff I was doing, it was like half collabs, half like studio projects, so it was a mix, which is even harder, I think. Because you're remembering lines for the pro, and you kind of have to be a little bit more on. Although we were very on today, like on, on. But like, you can, I think when you've got lines to remember and people kind of snapping their fingers at you about like, this is where we need to be at this time, a lot of little micro movements. A lot. Like, one of the scenes was like, I had 40 tiny little segments of like, two seconds long, right? Giftable type things. And it was like exhausting.

Gotcha. It was a lot. They're doing a lot of different marketing now, so they're specifically doing gifts now. For so the way that sometimes they shoot like browsers, and some of them will like make sure that it's giftable. So like, they're just tiny little moments like collected. And yeah, well, that's what goes off on like, on those little ads, like the browsers ads will be like, you know, someone being really shocked at the, at the, yeah, exactly. SP. I when I first saw myself on one of those ads, I was like, oh my God. And literally made the browsers face. Like, so good. They're really niched out. They like whenever I see a browser like film beginning, I'm always like, that's brazes. Before I even see the brand, I'm like, that's what it is. Yeah.

We know. So how long have you been doing this for?

It's now 11 years and two weeks. Wow. Yeah. 11 years. Were you doing digital stuff the entire time, or were you doing just, uh, mainstream? So I just started doing pro shoots about a year ago, 10 months. I was doing softcore collabs on and off, and really most of it was just like solo stuff. I also did like back in the day, a long time ago, which I've actually circled back around.

Okay. Great. Well, I mean, when you become a big-time P star, you can, you can start to charge the big dollars.

Oh, it's nice. Yeah. No doubt. No doubt. A lot of girls make a lot of money. Yeah. I was chatting to a girl not long ago, I did a podcast, Josie Ray, and she said she was making 75k a month just purely doing full service. And hers is girlfriend experience as well, which she does have. But it's not like if you were to be with someone who's like hiring you for a PSC experience where where they're like, we're going to the whole time. They're like, like for her, she's like having these like, she's got these as wealthy boyfriends, basically.

That's so beautiful. So good. Hey, I love that. It's the way to do it. It's the way to do it. So at the moment, what would your split of collabs to pro to in-person work be?

I just started the in-person work, so it's like really minimal at this time. But mostly, I'd say it's become, it's becoming more half and half with the collabs to pro. And also the collabs I've been doing, I've been like scaling them up to be the kind of like bigger projects that I used to do solo. So like, we'll rent out a big place, we'll have a whole camera crew, it'll be a 12-hour day, like, you know, so it's like we're almost getting to that studio level just doing the collab stuff. So it's been, it's been really fun.

Well, for anyone that follows you, they'll know that you are massive into dressing up, massive into cosplay, which we love. We love. It's so good. It's, it's refreshing to see someone put in so much effort into the song and dance before, before the dance, you know what I mean?

That's so good.

What's, have you always been like that, or was that like your thing when you started? Was that your point of difference where you were like, hm, I want to do just normal stuff, but every time I do stuff that I'm dressed like a, I don't know, vampire nurse, it goes way harder. So I'm guess I'm just going to do that.

It was like, well, I was a theater kid, like, absolutely. So and I've been on stage since I was young. Like, I've done, I did so much different types of content performance. Like, I was like, in puppets for a little bit. I, I was in Gospel Choir. I was an accompanist for a high school choir. I was like, uh, what else? I did spoken word stuff. I was like, and just all these like different.

Any aspect of drama you were doing it. Drama or music was your vibe. Yeah. Right. Well, you can totally tell. You can totally tell. Yeah. That kind of just carried into my work.

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So I started more. I was known for like smell and like fetish stuff.

Hang on, hang on. Let's just, let's just pause that for a second. Smell? You about like, feting? Yes, that's adjacent. Yes, absolutely. But mine was more like, I'm really into smells. Like smelling myself. I like fa. I get really. I like musk and I like dirty. What people consider dirty smells. I like rank.

Gotcha. Oh, okay. Right. You like bo.

I like bo. I like ball odor. I like, I like P. I like, I like dtin. I like everything.

You're the first girl that I've encountered that's into that. And the only other person that I've seen into that in person was very recently. I worked with Emma Rose. Oh, cute. And first thing she did as I like took my shirt off, is she like grabbed my arm and like pushed her nose into my armpit and took a big whiff of my armpit.

Do it. She, she love you. Yeah. And she was like, ah, I wish you didn't like, I should have told you not to shower or wear deodorant today. I was like, I just do did that out of a respect. Out of respect. You know, if I, if I thought that you were into it, I wouldn't have. But yeah, to me, I was like, interesting. All right, cool.

I think it worked really well for me in the beginning, and still does. Like, I have fans from 11 years ago who are still like, more smell fetish because I was just like, so open about it. And it was not something that, you don't, you don't see that very much. No, on the market.

Well, even now, you don't. So you probably have a good niche. I'm still, I'm still there. Even though I'm not really doing the content as much, like barely at all. Yeah. It's still, 'cause it's like an actual also thing I do love. It's not a performance. I think that's the best way to do it is to do things that you really enjoy. Because I, I say to everyone, like, I love chemistry with another performer where she wants to be there, I want to be there. And it's not just to have a great time at the time, but it's because that, that chemistry, that want to be there, the want to be doing those things transfers onto camera.

100%. Yes. You can get away with not having chemistry, but yeah, I think like doing things that you're genuinely into into is is the way to. It's not only to have it look like you're really enjoying it for real, but also for you as a performer to want to do that regularly. It sustains you. It's, yeah, it creates longevity. 'Cause you're like, I can't wait to go to work and do this thing today, you know?

So, I mean, you know, for me, when I was not really into doing solos, I'm still not huge into doing solos. I'll do them for my solo page, but it's not something that I really love. But I can tell it's really not something I love because I'll just put it off, put it off, put it off. I know now that I, it's really hard because I built up such a fan base for solo work for a decade. True. And then now all I've been doing is like collabs. And so it's, it's hard for me to go back to doing solo work, even though I know I need to and like build that part up again and and give some love to those fans who have been with me since the beginning. But like, I'm like, wait, I get to people now. Why would I, like, why would I pretend like I don't? I'm good at it. I do enjoy it. But like, right now, being able to have chemistry with people and being able to like play off of each other's performances, it's like, really hitting the more creative spots that I need right now. And so, totally. I'll do that. Totally.

And was that, were you only doing solo at the time for any particular reason?

So when I first started, it was more of like, so I lived in Chicago. I was in Phoenix for a bit. And it was like, I didn't really know people. I wasn't in any sort of community. And then in Chicago, I, I met workers. And those became like, but most of the people there are like, so it's like a different type of work. So I never really found like a lot, except for Felicia Fisher, my baby. I love you. She was the only one who I really like, was able to do some stuff with. And then I was in like an eight-year monogamous relationship. And that was kind of like one of those. And you hear this story over and over again. And then when that ended, I was like, I'm everything. But yeah, it was like, I still was doing like softcore collabs during that time, but I would just like keep pushing the boundary a little bit and be like, okay, I'm going to work with this new for in the.

I've never heard of a softcore collab. Lay it on me. Like, what, what are the boundaries of a softcore collab? What makes it softcore?

To non-fluid, non-fluid exchange. That's another way to say it.

Do you still pretend like on a softcore set? Would you, would they like, would they like film your upper body looking like you're bouncing on a, and then the face of the dude? But no penet.

It was just girls. It was, it was just girls. So it was like, maybe there would be some kissing, but like, we wouldn't be each other, or like, we would be mutually ourselves like next to each other. Gotcha. But not exchanging. And that also has to do with like, not having like the money or the understanding of like, or not everyone being on the same page about tests. That was like another thing in the amateur community. That's kind of interesting. When people cross over into pro, it's like, no, we need to know. You need to be tested. Like, and this is the full panel. This is not just.

Well, it's the same as Australia right now because it's all digital. It's all OnlyFans. It's not like there's not a big pro scene there at all. I've been hit up by maybe two very, very amateur pro kind of kind of companies that I wouldn't want to be affiliated with anyway. Which means that like, we as like the, the more senior creators have had to really implement some strict testing guidelines and uphold. And it's great. It's exhausting, a little bit. It's exhausting. And also, but luckily for us, we've just gotten new. It's not new, but like, this testing company called Stigma Health.com.au. They do a similar thing to like Cleared, where they give you a full panel including MG, and then they send it to an app on your phone. And yeah, I mean, most people, they can do that for like $35. And it's so cheap.

And it's so easy. That's so cheap. Yeah. Why don't you tell everyone how much it costs us to get?

It's 250. 250 American. So if you're Australian listening to this, that's $380. It's, yeah. But the other, the other side of the coin here is that you literally have the opportunity to work with some people who can really jet your career forward. So that's the, that's the tradeoff. But in an amateur community, you really have to be stern with testing because people will just be like, I'm fine. I'm like, how do you know? Yeah. How do you know? They're like, trust me, I've only like a few people. I'm like, what does that even mean? That's not how that works. Yeah. Exactly. We're not living on hopes and prayers, baby. Exactly. Yeah.

So there you go. So what's your thing right now? Like, like, are you in a, like, you niched out? Do you find that you keep getting a similar, like, for example, Sophia Lock, when I was chatting to her, she's like, I love her too. She's like, stepmom, or any kind of like, stepmom, slash mom hooking up with the work, you know, like, you know. Are you, are you niched out in any way?

I've definitely been getting more like, I've been getting stepmom work and some milf work and stuff, which has been really great. But I also have this like, this vibe, which I'm, I'm so grateful companies are picking up on, where it's like, I'm like a home wrecker seductress type thing. And I'm like, really good at playing like the, the psycho or addicted or like person who's just come to up, you know. So I also have like that going for me.

Excuse me, excuse me. That's not how I would brand it at all. But maybe. But not to mention it. Not to mention it. Yeah. I did notice you're very, very good at the role play. Very, very good at the role play.

I enjoy it. Yeah. It gets me going. I can tell. Brilliant. So good. We did a role play today where you were my best friend and we were hanging out and you were trying to push the boundaries. It was hilarious.

I, you were the one who asked to see my. That's right. I know. I was like, what can I even say here?

We say whatever. Say whatever. I'm just going to, I don't know. I'm, I'm, I'm still working out what YouTube will allow or not. So you can like censor beeps and stuff. I'll probably beep like the word and that's about. And that's probably it. I think everything else. I think the, the rule is, correct me if I'm wrong, anyone on YouTube, but I think in, in the first 10 minutes, you're not allowed to swear, or the first two minutes, you're not allowed to swear, something like that. And it gets, it gets instantly demonetized if you swear in the first couple minutes. Did we swear? It doesn't really matter, 'cause I'm going to put like an ad at the beginning. So first two minutes done. But yeah, I'm still learning about all this stuff. This is the beauty of being a content creator. You get to just get like, constantly learn. Constantly learn through, through information. Just, yeah, through trauma, for sure. Like, guideline deleted, stri. Exactly. Over again.

Okay. What, uh, promotional apps do you use the most?

Um, I was using TikTok for a hot minute, but they don't like me anymore. It's crazy. I get like, no views. Instagram is doing really well for me. It's like starting to gain more attraction. And I'm, I've sneaked up to the highest I've ever been without being on Instagram without being suspended. Y. Which, congratulations. Cross fingers.

Um, what have you changed this time around?

This time around, I've just been like, I was really careful the first time. I'm even more careful now. Like, I just, I don't know. What do you think?

What do they keep pinging you on for TikTok?

On TikTok, cleavage. No. Uh, TikTok, it was like soliciting. But it's like, not stuff that even is like, it's just really confusing. And so I've just, they just decided they don't like you.

Yeah, they didn't like me. They don't like me. Got. Also Twitter. I've been chat ban for like six years, but it's, it's fine.

Is it still getting views though? Like, yeah, I still am getting followers. Is because there's more companies and like models who are retweeting me now. So I just, I'm kind of like a word of mouth person.

Well, that's why I started the podcast because I was like, the girls, I can't show their physique. I can't show their assets. I can't get them in a bikini and show that. And I can't, like, even if there's a, like, used to be, if there's a pool in the shot, you could have a girl in a bikini. Yes. Now it's like, you have a girl with any skin showing at all. As a new account, 'cause my, my TikTok's new 'cause I got deleted like everyone else. Um, so yeah, new accounts, it's like, if you have any skin as a female in the frame. So just, okay, just don't have skin.

No. I, yeah, exactly. Feel it off. Take it off, baby. That's right.

Well, what would your current content be like then? Like, what are you actually doing on there on TikTok and Instagram?

TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, we know probably what it's going to be. But I do a lot of, so I'm doing more like longer reels to kind of set up for videos I'm doing that are adjacent. So like, I'll use my cosplay, but I'll like make up a little story. It doesn't have to like be part of the video or like exactly the storyline of the video, but it, it just gets people hype about it. Okay. I don't really talk on my, my socials, my Instagram or TikTok. I don't use my voice very often.

Is that on purpose? Like, you don't like your voice?

No, I love my voice. But I just, I feel like I'm just so nervous about what I can and can't say. I just try to like, you know.

As in, like, as in because of the mainstream, like what you can and can't say about just like their guidelines. And I just don't want to be pinged for things. So I just, I stick with meme stuff.

I think that talking is probably, is it probably better? I think it's better because I put a lot of these clips up where I mention like, so tell me about what you do on your OnlyFans. And the girls are like, this is what I do. And as long as they keep that part non-explicit, they don't care that I said, tell me what you're doing on your OnlyFans. I've tried it more. I don't know. I don't know. I find that the word, like, I think Instagram in particular hasn't caught up to monitoring the words. I think they've caught up to monitoring the skin and like, how much like ring being. But yeah, social media is a constant adaptation. Adapt or die. Adapt or get suspended, basically. So keeps you on your toes. Always.

We're at the forefront of everything that happens on the internet. Always. Yeah. Always have to be. Have to be. So you're in great shape. Thank you. What do you do to stay in great shape?

I lift, bro. Yeah. [ __ ] lift, bro. I love that. Um, I usually go to the gym like four times a week. I the past days on my run, I only went one time and I feel crazy. Like I need to. I just literally have not had time.

Yep. Yeah. 11 days in a row is crazy. It's terrible. Well, I just, 'cause it's all main. Was that all mainstream? It was half and half. Okay. Right. So I was in Vegas for a big scene, and then I was in Oakland for two days. And the, the traveling. Yeah. The. I, I lift. I do a little bit of cardio, but mostly lifting. Right. I just, yeah, I used to have a trainer back in Chicago, which was amazing, but now I'm learning on my. Doing stuff on there own.

Yeah. Great. We can do hard things around here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We can do hard things. I do hard things all the time. Exactly. Yeah. That's awesome. You're, you're probably one of the only like people who do a structured weights workout that I've spoken to. A lot of people train a lot of people, but they usually like Pilates, yoga, bit of running, bit of cardio.

Um, interesting. I have thought about doing Pilates. 'Cause I know that [ __ ] I don't know. I don't know. I'm, I'm like, I come from a personal training background. I used to be a personal trainer for 12 years before Co. Or or made great. 'Cause now I'm doing this. But I always, whenever I met someone, the, I think the problem is, is that Pilates is like, is like the filler, that all the glue that sticks all the good stuff, big stuff together. For example, whenever I would meet a, it was always a girl who would be doing Pilates or yoga four times a week. That's her own, like, what she would do, like running and yoga. They are the most injured people I'd ever trained. Seriously. Like, and they'd be flexible as, but they got no strength. Flex with strength. Okay. So if you're not equally strong as you are flexible, you end up with these like subluxations of the joint, dislocations of the joint, you know, just.

That's super helpful. Yeah. I'm being trained right now. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. You're welcome. You're welcome. Appreciate it. Yeah. So I think doing Pilates with a weights program is a great idea. I thinking a yoga or a Pilates once or twice a week with your lifting sessions, you'll be unstoppable.

That sounds good. 'Cause I, I really do need to get more into my like flexibility. I need to work on that. I mean, I'll be honest, you're pretty flexible. In flexible, I think at one point I was like, in a straddle side position, and you like had your head, your leg around your head. It was so close. I was like, I'm gonna get it. I'm. But hey, you do all the Pilates you need to do. Maybe next time you'll get like, both legs behind your head. I really, I'm hoping for that in the next four months. I feel like it's there to be had. It's close.

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Have you heard about how like this, the people who the like Facebook social media like like managers and like people hire ups will literally like tell their kids not to be on it? Yeah. I've heard a lot of like big dog social media people don't let their kids have have any. So it just structures your brain differently. It rewires your. So well, I mean, I was, you're, you're the same 'cause you and I were, you, we're the same age, right? So we, I only had a Nokia 3310 until year 11, which had snake and 2D. Right. And it had 2D like screen on it. And you to text, if I wanted to write the, I had to click once for T, twice for H, three times for E on the three on the three key. Youngsters out there, you have no idea what I'm talking about. But my point is, is that that I still spent a crazy amount of time playing that stupid snake game. And I still spent a lot of time texting my friends for 25 cents a text, but until I ran out of credit. But, but now speak. Like, exactly. You're just getting nostalgia. You're like, oh my God. But my point is, if I was like, in grade seven, and I got an iPhone, which I could look at God, or that I could look at just endless YouTube videos, or I could just be on TikTok. The thing is, is that even as an adult, I really struggle with the continually playing algorithm. So if you're a kid, like when I was a, when I first learned to jerk off as a, you know, teen, I literally couldn't stop for like months at a time. You know, like, if I had, if I got an iPhone, I wouldn't learn anything for years. Yeah.

I wonder how they do it. I don't know. How are you guys doing? I don't think they're doing well. I don't. Everyone I talk to who's in education right now is like, it's. I was actually talking to a guy on my flight from Vegas to, uh, here. And he was about to go into retirement, two years away from retirement, and was a school teacher, high school teacher. And I was like, man, tell me, just how is the climate right now with mobile phones? He's like, dude, can't get through to these kids. Can't get through to them. They don't want to learn. They don't want to put it down. And no one's telling, no one's like telling them to lock it up or forcing them to lock it up. And they're just not learning. We're going to. And that coupled with the two years of, or the year and a half of Co online learning where no one learned virtually anything online for two years. I think the next, like, I, I think stressing me out, like the next generation, the next like, that five to six year block, I have no idea. The next generation's basically. But yeah, good times. But yeah, I wouldn't have a, if I had a kid, I'd find it very challenging to have them have a phone and an iPad and all that kind of stuff.

No, I'm avoiding it. I'm seriously avoiding. Never. I have wanted one. So I was like, 15 or something. Great. Yeah.

Have you, um, taken any measures to like, make sure it doesn't happen?

I'm not going to do like a, whatever the tide. I do that. But I have like, next lanon. I have like the five-year, what it called, what's it called? Um, IUD. No, IUD is in there. This is like, the little arm implant. Yeah. I think the arm implant's better. Better for me. As a man. I actually, I felt it in girls before and I'm like, oh, I was working with a girl the other day and it was like scraping my sha.

Yeah, it'll get you. It'll get you. Yeah.

Well, so, so tell me about like, you, so you said that you were in a long-term relationship doing softcore, and then you got single again. And were you, I always ask people who were actively dating while doing this job, like, what's dating like as a?

So during that time, like with that person, they were extremely loving and and and great. U. Nothing bad to say about them. But it was very much just like, their comfort levels with were very, very different than mine. And so I constantly wanted to try new things and stuff. And they were like, more, what's the word? Reticent. Yep. I don't know why I pulled that word out. I think it's the books. I'm feeling smart. How smart do we look at these books in the background? But I'm dating someone else right now who's also a porn or in. And it's really nice to finally be with someone who like on matches your freak, matches our, like, matches the freak. And then like, we both know it's a job. And we also get to have chemistry and good times with people and and respect and like appreciate that. Like, and I hope, and I like, I want him to have a good day. Yes. And he wants the same for me. Which was great. It's not to say that like little, like jealous things or like things can come up because just humans or whatever. But it's, I think it's just a lot healthier and better. And I, I just feel like our communication is just a lot stronger because we both do the same work. Which I just, so necessary. Because as someone who is in industry, who I can remember a time when I wasn't in industry, looking at people in industry, compared to now being in industry, and you just don't even know. Even being in industry, it's easy to still get jealous. But if you're, if I wasn't in industry at all, and I was just working a regular job, and I was looking at the Instagram, like we did a video reel where you and I are being super cute, but like, if you were actually here watching us film the thing, we'd be like, time to be cute on for five seconds. And then, great, got it. And then we're back to normal, like we are right now. But if you watched that as someone who is just like working your office job, 9 to 5, and it came up on your Instagram, yeah, you'd be like, firing off, buzzing, you know. But even so, like, even being in industry, there's still like some acute jealousy that can happen. So I think that's the go is to, is to try be with someone either in industry or in some sort of like swingers kind of real.

Yeah, I mean, I've, I've wanted to be poly for like the past, oh my God, like 12, 13 years. And like, every relationship I kept getting in, they did not want that. And so I kind of like let that part of myself be dormant. And so finally, like, when I got out of that relationship, I was like, I have to be, it has to be poly. Like, I have to be in a relationship that's poly because I, that's just kind of always in my bent.

Do you mean poly as in, but do you, do you mean poly as in multiple relationships, emotional connections? Or are you referring to like, non-monogamous?

So it's, sorry, no. Yeah. I think that's a great question. Um, I personally, and in the relationship I'm in now, like, we, like, they had like, someone that they were seeing, like dating or whatever. Like, I haven't had that yet, but I, I think we will be having, like, we have emotional connections with other people. Like, I eventually would like to have a girlfriend, you know, like, as well. Yeah. And that's just, I've always had that bent. And so it's nice to be able to explore that.

Great. Yeah. I think it's awesome. That sounds like it would take up a lot of, a lot of time. But I think it's a great. I'm so busy. Like, I can't even date. I'm like, I always look at the people who are successful polyamorous and I just always think to myself, how the hell do you have the time?

It's a whole, really, the big thing about it is it's almost like a hobby. It's time management. It's like, how good are you at scheduling? Yeah. Like, with your people that you care about. Like, that's, you have to have that skill.

Well, it's either, well, we've all got 24 hours in the day. I think it's, I think, I don't know, you tell me if I'm wrong, but I feel like I would almost need to say, okay, I'm, I'm capping how successful I can be in work because I've got an extra 50, 15 hours of of time I'm throwing away, not throwing away, throwing to this new person, this new relationship that I want to be in. But you just have to be prepared that something's going to take a hit. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of like, I haven't, like, so I just moved here like four or five months ago. And I, I haven't. There's a plenty of people who I'm looking forward to connecting with more, whether it be like as friends or maybe as potential like dating partners. But I just, I put that on the back burner because I'm busy. And I am so excited about the work I'm doing. I'm finally in this, like, I'm really in my element. I'm killing it. And I want to keep killing it. So I'm just, it's a, I'm like, that stuff's on the back burner. It'll, it'll come up, bubble up eventually. But right now, I'm. And you know what? Like, I find those things kind of come out of nowhere anyway. Like, not that I've ever been in like a polyamorous relationship, but relationships in general. There's been times in my life where I'm like, I'm never seeing anyone ever again. And then like a month later, you're like, I met this chick. She's. Exactly. How is this happening? Exactly. So I think you're in the right game to, if you wanted to meet someone who was compatible on that level, probably in the right game. Everyone I've met who has a successful partnership, we'll say, in industry, is either with someone who is in the polyamory, slash swingers, like they're like, with someone who's open sexually. Yeah. That's pretty much what it comes down to. Because what our job, if you're not open sexually, or open to seeing your part, or like have that relationship with sex where it is. I heard, um, he may Marie explain it really well when I interviewed her. And she said, it's like a good meal, you know? You have a really good time. It feels incredible. Tastes incredible at the time. And you might not even think about that meal like afterwards, unless it's a really meal. But she's like, that's exactly what it is. It's like, at the time, comes, the time goes, and you don't really think of it again. So I think some people have a really time wrapping their head around that, especially when it's with their significant other. So good times, good times.

So how do you, how do you manage your mental health?

So I had a therapist for like four years, uh, in Chicago. And, um, when you move states, it's difficult to keep the same therapist. They said that they could, she said that we could like, you know, do little stuff whenever I needed her, which is is fine. But I haven't reached out at all in the past, I don't know, eight months or so, because it's, I'm in a good spot. Like, so there, at least with the therapy thing. So the, one of my big things is I work out like four times a week. And that has done such, so much for my mental health.

Is that new? Yeah, I only started working out a year and a half ago.

Congratulations. That's awesome. It was like, what made you stop?

I was so tired of feeling tired. MH. I just felt so like lethargic. I had always thought to myself, like, one day you're going to have muscle, one day you're going to do it. And then I just, I just like kept not doing, not doing it. And then I don't, I think I met met somebody who was like, oh, I wish I was working out again. Oh, then one of my friends was going back to the gym. And they, they introduced me to this like little adorable, like queer neurodivergent type training center, um, run by these like, uh, Asian trans, uh, physical, what is it called? Physical trainers. P. Personal trainer. Personal trainers. And, uh, I just fell in love with that community. It's called Han Trading in Chicago. And they were so sweet and like, so everything they did was like, very easily adaptable, like for me and like what I needed. And it was like small groups or just one-on-one. And I was able to like thrive there and like learn.

That is such a good way to start. So when I was in personal training back in my hometown, I had a gym. And it was a small group coaching gym where it was like six people per group maximum. So you still get the one-on-one T coaching, still doing proper weight training. You're not doing like pump class, you know what I mean? Where it's like training, but just in a big group. You're doing what you would do if you were doing like a, you know, actual squat program or deadlift program or bench program, whatever it is. And I think that's great because it gives people like, that's why CrossFit was so successful, because of the community that have built. And that brought people together who maybe were a bit socially awkward, maybe were a little bit concerned about starting training. And [ __ ] people would look at you in the gym or Aug or something. Exactly. They share that insecurity and you know, become friends. So like, I think, um, that's a great way to start.

And do you do it mostly now on your own, or do you still do small group training?

I do it mostly now on my own, or me and Sham will get up like, really early and and go together. We'll be doing like separate things or whatever, but it's nice to have at least a buddy who's like rolling out of bed and going to the gym. I used to love going to the gym, um, with my partner. So much fun. Like, it's, it's good to have someone who is also into it like you are. I remember having so, like, he works out like six times a week. He been his last night midnight. He went on a run. He was like, he trains for marathons and stuff, right? So super fit. That's so, so important. Like, you can really tell the dudes, not just in industry, but just in general, who do a lot of cardio. Just like, such a different, not even just physique, but just the way they, they can, like, it's crazy. Like, it's real. That's real. Yeah. Absolutely.

What does the future look like for you? Like, what do you, uh, have you got a goal, or you just kind of whatever opportunities come your way?

So being on on the like pro performer circuit now, like, I am very excited about, like, there's just so many things and so many different types of performances and scenes that are going to come my way soon, which is great. But also, I love doing like horror. And so I'm doing like, there's three short horror films I am in or have been in. Like, mainstream ones or adult ones? They're like, indie. They're not adult.

Okay. Great. Yeah. You're a horror film. Actually, that's sick. Have you been murdered yet?

I do the murdering. Oh, murderer. Yeah. Great. Um, and then what else? Uh, I also would love to direct. I since I've done like over a thousand, easily, of my own scenes. Like, I really have an eye for like editing and directing and and roleplay and like building a world and stuff. So.

True. Hey, the more experience you get, the more like, I look at my videos from my first trip here, which was only in August last year, which is like almost a year ago now, is a year ago now. And now to this trip, where it's like, the changes in the filming, the angles, the lighting, like so much. It's so cool to have like this, like record, like your growth. Yeah. Uh, yeah. There's like, I'm like, when I think about like the fans who found me at the beginning, I'm like, what the, what were you watching? Like, thank you.

Yeah. Right. Back, back when you were doing this 11 years ago, when you first picked it up, what made you pick it up for the first time? And what were you doing at the time to promote?

Always. It was a different landscape then, baby. Totally. There was no TikTok. Like, um, Instagram was like, not, yeah, it's not at all the way it is now. I was not really on social media for it at all. There was like, different, the big sites that we have now, except for PornHub. Not the same. There was no ManyVids. There was no, I mean, there was clips for sale. There was no OnlyFans. Like, it was all different. I started because I was in, like, it's kind of a twofold reason. I needed money fast. I was not in a great situation. And I also was not getting sexually what I needed. And I am a performer at heart. And I have been all my life. Um, and so I was like, following these Tumblr girls who were Tumblr cam models. And I was like, this is really cool. They're so hot. And I want to do that. And like, there was a creative part of my brain that wasn't being played with. Being able to take my own pictures and, you know, whatever.

What were you doing for work back then?

Oh my God. I was doing odd jobs and like everything, right? I, I did like clinical test. I was a clinical test research subject. I tested food. I did dog sitting. I did like, literally just like every odd job.

So you were literally in a position where you could dive straight into sex work, no problem.

Yeah. It was easy. Nothing had a laptop. And I was like, here we go.

That's so important. Hey, like, most people don't start because they're like, oh, I've got this corporate job that I'll get fired from if they find out, whatever. I was like, and I, I had like a, I looked so different. I had like an, like a shaved head. I looked like Tank Girl. I like a big and piercing, like bridge piercing.

You were proper now, but you were like, proper old.

Oh, yeah. It was a different looking. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

So do your old subs or fans that know you now from back then, are they like, we should go back to Bal?

No. Cool. No, they've stuck around. And I think it's because most, like, I change so much in how I look in all of my content. 'Cause I do all the cosplay and the roleplay and stuff, but also constantly just like my personal life changing up my look. And I think what keeps my fans attracted to me is that I am that chameleon. And I can change into all these different fantasies and like, I feel all these different, like things. And they like my creativity. And I think that's what keeps them with me. Yeah.

Well, you are very entertaining to watch. And all your stuff is very entertaining. It's not, it's never the same. That's for. I can't keep the same. I'd go fu crazy. I think I think I've fallen into the trap before where I was like, oh, this went viral. I'm going to do 20 different videos exactly the same and just keep it going. But it doesn't, doesn't work that way. No. For some people, sometimes if they're lucky. I was going to say, there's some like pretty gorgeous girls out there that can just take photos, the same photo of, and it gets millions of views. Happy for them. Good for you, girl. Good for. Exactly. Happy for you. Exactly. It has been such a changed market since like 11 years ago, but even since Co.

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The Glory Day train, like, where it was like popping off, everyone's killing it. You put a photo up, it gets you a million subs. Like, I, I, I felt like for Co, it was just kind of the same old for me. I was still trucking along. My content has like upgraded so, so, so, so much. And because I was like doing the amateur solo thing, like my, my market and fan base was like very different than it is now. And I wasn't using the social media game back then either. And that was like, not that long ago, it was like four years ago. I wasn't really, I was like very much in the just the trenches of the sites and I wasn't really trying to like go. I was working very hard but not working smart.

Yes, so you were, you were making all your, you doing all the stuff on your sites, making your subs happy, but not showing the greater audience. But I wasn't trying to like get more fans. You weren't like on Instagram. You on? I mean, barely. I was on, but I wasn't like pushing it.

Gotcha. At all. And now it's completely different. Yeah, definitely. Well, now it's, if you ask anyone, it's like 90% Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, Reddit. Do you use Reddit? I, I did for quite a while, but I never really saw traction from it. It's not one that really hit off for me. I don't.

Wow. I know, 'cause I never used it either. I only just started using it a year ago and it is, well, it seems to get me all my, not all, but it gets me a large chunk of my great. Oh, that's good. Surprising though, because you have like huge set of and there's like lots of like mommy milk ones. I know. Yeah, I don't understand. Yeah. Well, yeah, took me a while to understand Reddit as well. And yeah, we all find the platforms that work for us. Yeah. And yours is Twitter, Twitter and Instagram, Instagram. Those are the ones I think that the in, like many vids, I'm like number one on there and I've been, I've won like multiple awards. So like the in track graphics for that site, like I get a lot of people who search for me that way because I'm like consistently ranked really high, which is helpful on many vids. Many vids, many vids. So that's one thing that's great. What about PornHub? Do you see a lot of like when something goes off for a company, do you see an influx into? That's just started happening recently, which has been really great. 'Cause I have like, I don't know, like 20 scenes in the backlogs with like a bunch of different companies. But like, so recently, because they, they take so long, like you might film a scene. A scene, it could come out like three to six months later. Oh, wow. Right. And I just started shooting back in like August. All of those first ones are starting to come out. So now it's like I'm getting that, and then they're posting the trailer, and then like a month later, they'll post more of like a bigger cut. So I'm starting to see awesome right now the traction, which is amazing. Love that. Love that. Yeah. I'm, I'm starting to get on PornHub, not with mainstream at all, but like just doing my own stuff. And we definitely did. We did some PornHub. We did some PornHub stuff today. Good. I'm excited to put that up. Yeah. But I'm, I'm just trying to figure it out now because it does seem like a really handy. So another social media, even though it's porn, it's just it works in the same way of a social media. Also, they're built in. They used to have a clip site called Model Hub, which was just like completely built into the platform, which was the most amazing, like easiest money I've ever made. Really? Yes. And then when, when all the stuff happened with, um, like the trafficking Hub, oh, that taken away with when Visa and Mastercard pulled out, um, but now after they've done a lot of revisions and things and changed hands, they have something called UIE, but it doesn't have the same traction yet. Hopefully eventually they'll, they'll build it back in. But that's passive income. Is there a Reels? I, I saw a Reels/TikTok version of PornHub, I think it's called Shorties. Are you familiar? Familiar. Someone told me about about the other day and I did see it on the menu, dropdown menu, and I'm going to look more into because that's probably, that's up my alley. Maybe we'll have a look after this podcast. And if it's there, we'll do a quick like nude. We'll do a quick. Let's go back outside and do that. Yeah, we could probably use that actually, to be honest. We just, we did a, um, it's perfect for that. Yeah. We did a short clip of, uh, she's got, what do we call those? Like Olympic rings, I guess. Yeah. Got these Olympic rings like hung up from her tree out there. And we did one where I was like eating her while she's hanging from these rings. And then while she's hanging from these rings. So it was cool. So good. So good. Yeah. So LA is the place to be, pretty much. I live here. I'll be honest with you, like the only thing that would attract me to living here is the fact that work is so vibrant, robust. Yeah. Like, where I live in Australia, it's, it's same kind of heat, less po, less poverty, I guess, less like homeless people, less pollution. But whenever I come here, work goes crazy, my, my sites go crazy. So I can see why people want to live here. How often are you collabing at the moment per month? Do you find when you live here, you get heaps of, um, cancellations for personal collabs? Um, I have only had three cancellations so far, which is record. That's really good. And I'm lucky. Knock on wood that continues. But definitely, um, I actually don't mind when people cancel. I'm not going to lie. Yeah. But, um, the reason I asked, like, now that you live here, is there a difference? Because when I was doing like two weeks at a time here, I would get like no cancels. They'd be like, how long you like two weeks and I'm gone. And I'll be like, unless I'm sick as, I'll be there. But now I'm like, oh, I'm here for six weeks. They're like, oh, here in four weeks, maybe five weeks time. Oh, yeah. Next time, next time. I'll lie for sure. I'll be like, I'm here for a week. Oh, just got to extend it. Oh, sorry. Exactly. Exactly. I think that's what you got to do. But now that, that's what I was wondering if you lived here, if they know you live here, do you? But obviously not. I think it's 'cause I'm still new and people are, and like, so I'm getting a lot of people hitting me up being like, I want to work with you and work, you know, um, 'cause I'm like, finally on the market, right? And so it's, it's been amazing. I'm really, there's so many collabs coming up. I have like literally over 60 scenes in my backlog. Yeah. Just. I've never had that. Do you do one release a week? Um, trying to do two. Yeah. I think when you get that much of a backlog, I don't know about you, but for me, I'm like, well, this scene has technically been out on this other person's site for four months now. Sometimes it, I mean, like the fan bases don't overlap all the time, really. Like, so like, there's that part of it, but it just, it mentally makes you feel like it's old. But your fans haven't seen it. So I'm trying to get out of that. 'Cause I get very trapped. Be like, your, your mainstream, like you were saying, like you do a scene and then they might not release it for six months. Time doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Yeah. To me, I was always, well, I think for me, you might feel the same where you're like, 'cause you follow the person you collabed with on OnlyFans, you can see it coming up in DMs and get it out, otherwise everyone's going to see it. But no, so not true. Yeah. All right. Uncircumcised or circumcised? I don't give a. Don't give a. Excellent. Excellent. It's never like one, one or the other has never really changed anything for me. I don't know. Fair play. Fair play. Excellent. Yeah. Machines. Well, thank you so much. Thank you so much. It was absolutely pleasure. Don't to tell everyone where they can find you on all your different platforms. Yes, so I'm on ManyVids, little.manyvids.com. I'm also on OnlyFans, fans. Le clips for sale, I want clips. PornHub, Instagram, little puck please. TikTok, little Puck's Playhouse. Those actually might be reversed. Who knows? Also just Google my name. Great. It's a lot easier. Yeah. Awesome. Thank you so much. Thank you. See you soon. Thanks guys.