Prevent Cancer: AVOID These Foods | Thomas Seyfried

Do you think cancer is entirely preventable?

Yes, absolutely.

They say cancer is a genetic disease. It's a very complicated disease. That's [ __ ]. I have the science. I published these papers in top medical journals. If people want to live, they'll know about it.

Professor Thomas Seaff Freed is a world-renowned expert in cancer and a best-selling author of "Cancer as a Metabolic Disease." He has a revolutionary treatment for cancer that even your doctor doesn't know. We have 1,700 people a day dying in the United States from cancer. And we have people dying from cancer in all countries around the world. Yeah, you can have cancer, but if you know how to manage it, it doesn't become a death sentence.

Do you have success stories?

Yeah. Well, we had Pablo Kelly. My name is Pablo Kelly. When I was about 24, I was diagnosed with a grade 4 glioblastoma multiforme brain tumor. I was given, well, 6 to 9 months. Talking to the oncologist, I declined standard of care with 2 and 1/2 years of metabolic therapy. Voila, the tumor was operable. And the same thing can be with breast cancer, prostate cancer, colon cancer. They all can be managed quite effectively with metabolic therapy.

Do you think high-fat diets can actually kill cancer?

The high-fat diet is designed to keep your mitochondria healthy. If your mitochondria remain healthy, you're not going to get cancer. It's not like, "Oh, let me go out and eat a tub of lard." Let the GKI, the glucose ketone index, tell you what you can. And we know we kill cancer cells when we have a GKI 2.0 and below. Wait until the world knows about this. Everybody's going to be jumping on metabolic therapy. Where you going?

This episode features Professor Thomas Seaf Freed, and we're discussing the new way to treat active cancer and even prevent it with a high-fat diet. Now, if you're learning from and enjoying these free episodes, please hit the subscribe button because we know that real food is medicine. And by the simple act of subscribing, you can help share the message to millions more people that need to hear the truth.

And now for the episode with Professor Thomas Seaff Freed. Professor Seaff Freed, welcome.

Well, thank you very much. It's nice to be here.

When it comes to cancer, it puts the fear of impending death in most people's minds. Most people will think that if I get it, it's too late, there's nothing that I can do about it. But that is not true. So today, Professor Seafrey is going to share his 40 years of clinical experience and cancer research. We're going to talk about the true cause of cancer, why it's not genetic, and how to actually fix cancer with a high-fat diet, and that involves eating more bacon and more butter.

So, Professor Seaf Freed, my first question, if someone has just clicked on this video and they're thinking, "How likely is it that I'm going to get cancer?" How likely is it that someone's going to get cancer in their lifetime?

Well, it depends on how they live their life. Um, you know, some people never get cancer. Uh, doesn't happen to everybody. I mean, we have a lot of centurions that are over 100 years old, uh, that have never gotten cancer. Um, Madame Clement, the oldest woman that ever existed on the planet, 122 years of age, drank wine and smoked cigarettes until she was 119. She never got cancer. So, not everybody gets cancer. But I, but I think, I think what we're doing to ourselves today, uh, puts a lot of people at risk for cancer. Um, I, I think that what we're seeing is a sedentary lifestyle, uh, where we're eating large amounts of highly processed carbohydrates, uh, we're not exercising like we should, and we're under medical, mental stress, emotional stress, uh, poor sleep, loneliness, microchemicals, forever chemicals, and microplastics. I, I think when you put all that together, uh, we're seeing more and more younger people getting cancer, for sure. And the number of people getting cancer is increasing, and the number of people dying from cancer is increasing. So, yeah, it's not, it's not a, it's not, uh, a good picture, uh, and will not likely get better, uh, until people realize that cancer is a mitochondrial metabolic disease, uh, that can be easily managed by maintaining mitochondrial health, which is doing the opposite of all the things that I just said.

Absolutely. And that was a long list of people thinking, "Well, I've got to do all of these things. I have to fix." We're going to talk about them one by one. Easy, easy fixes. But I did read a quote saying that one in two men and one in three women will get cancer in their lifetime. Is it that much?

Well, I think if you abuse your body, it certainly could be. Um, I mean, it's hard to get cancer. Cancer is very difficult to get. Um, you know, if you try to give cancer to mice or monkeys and things like this, uh, it's very hard. There was one study where they used monkeys from South America, I think they were new world monkeys of some sort. And they tried to give these monkeys cancer by rubbing carcinogen on their, on their arms and, and having them eat it and drink it and feed it to them. And, uh, um, in 10 years, only, only one of the 50 monkeys got cancer, um, because they were in their own diet and lifestyle. Uh, the, the pro, the problem is, is that if you took the monkey and gave him all the highly processed crap that we eat, uh, and then, uh, um, had a panther walk around his cage, putting the fear of God into him every day, freaking him out, no exercise, eating crap foods. The, the monkeys may have gotten pancreatic cancer, colon cancer. Um, there's never been a documented case of breast cancer in a female chimpanzee, and they're almost the same genetically as we are. So, what is, what's the chimp doing, uh, that we're not doing? Um, he's not eating the crap food that we eat. He's, he's doing what he, nor you got to put, you got to change these animals' behavior. You got to put them in a, in a radically different, uh, environment and just give them what they love to eat, poorly nutritious foods in large quantities, right? So, if you gave, elephants, elephants don't get cancer. Uh, they haven't found elephants with cancer. But, you know, how many, how many jelly donuts would you have to feed an elephant before, before he would get pancreatitis and pancreatic cancer? I mean, dozens and dozens. And he would love it. I mean, it wouldn't be like, "Oh, they would say, 'Oh, don't do that. It's harmful to the elephant.'" Well, well, we're doing it to ourselves every day in almost every country. We're not exercising. We're eating crap food. Uh, you know, it puts us at risk for not only cancer, it puts us at risk for all kinds of chronic diseases. So, um, all these chronic diseases, cancer included, are all, uh, the result of dysfunctional mitochondria in the cell. The mitochondria, the energy-generating organelle in our cells, becomes corrupted, leading to chronic diseases and cancer.

Absolutely. We're going to talk about the mitochondrial dysfunction, um, because many people think that when it comes to cancer, there's nothing that they can do about it. It is a fear of impending death in most people's minds. Do you think then that cancer is entirely preventable in most cases?

Yes, absolutely. Even Otto Warberg said that most cancer is in our paleolithic ancestors. Uh, cancer was extremely rare. How do we know? Because we have people that live in tribes and live according to traditional ways, uh, and cancer was extremely rare. When, when these people were evaluated, uh, for cancer, um, you know, you had, uh, different physicians, uh, and humanitarians that would go around and look at Inuit populations, African populations, uh, when they were living according to their ways. Um, Albert Schweitzer certainly did look for cancer among African tribes. He didn't find any. Very rare. He looked, he even looked for thousands. What's, where's what's going on? As soon as the great Western diet and lifestyle enter into the society, you get all kinds of, uh, cancers, cardiovascular disease, type two diabetes, obesity. You get all the, the great, uh, wonders of our technological advances in food technology. So, so, yeah. So, um, yeah, that, and you have to do that. You have to abuse your body doing this for decades. You don't usually, you know, eat a pizza and the next day wake up with a big tumor on your colon. I, it's usually an, an abusive series of behaviors all culminating together with chemicals in the environment, uh, all culminating in some form of disregulated cell growth, which is cancer in some organ of the body.

So, let's talk about how cancer starts, develops in the body, because you're saying it's over decades. It's not overnight. It's not like you eat a pizza and you get a tumor the next day. So, um, because I think people don't understand this in terms of, if you have, what is cancer in terms of cell growth in the body? What's happening?

Well, I mean, we published this many, many papers. Um, the definition of the disorder is called cell division out of control. Okay? Well, you know, the cells in your liver, kidney, colon, spleen, breast, brain, uh, they're all there doing their, um, metabolically designed, metabolically homeostatic condition. What would make, uh, one of these cells start to grow in, in a disregulated way? And, and that, and that we have, we have clearly shown that it is chronic disruption of the ability of the cell to use oxygen to obtain energy. So, one of the, uh, differences between a cancer cell and a normal cell, non-cancerous cell, is the way the cell uses energy. Um, all of the cells in our body, with the exception of erythrocytes and perhaps a few others, uh, we breathe energy. We breathe oxygen, and the oxygen serves as an acceptor for electrons, uh, through the mitochondrial electron transport chain in the organelle called the mitochondria. And, and we can generate tremendous amounts of energy because without energy, uh, nothing can survive. So, energy, then, becomes the key feature of life. Um, interestingly enough, all of our cells, uh, for the most part, are using oxygen to, to generate energy. In cancer, uh, uh, the oxygen that is consumed by the cancer cell is not used for producing sufficient energy from oxidative phosphorylation. It, it actually produces reactive oxygen species, ROS, which are carcinogenic and mutagenic. So, the cancer cell is throwing out, uh, reactive carcinogens and mutagens that damage other parts of the cell, uh, causing mutations in the nucleus. Of course, many cancer cells have mutations in the nucleus, but these are not the cause. These are the effects of the disturbed energy metabolism in, in the mitochondria. And, and the, and the fuel that's driving the disregulated growth now becomes fuels that don't need oxygen. So, that's called fermentation, energy without oxygen. And the two fuels that we and others have have identified are the sugar, glucose, and the amino acid, glutamine, which is a very highly abundant amino acid in our, in our bloodstream. Our big, uh, finding and discovery to clear up the mess was that this amino acid can also be fermented, can also generate energy in the absence of oxygen in the organelle, this mitochondria. So, this, this was a, um, it's a big, it's a big discovery, but a lot of people simply can't understand it, uh, yet, um, because they look at the mitochondria and they say, "Oh, look at all the ATP coming out of there. It's taking in oxygen and an energy called ATP is coming out." And they say, "See, it's perfectly similar to a normal cell." But the, the issue is, the normal cell is using the oxygen to make ATP. The cancer cell is using the oxygen to make carcinogens and mutagens. And they're using other fuels to ferment, which is energy without oxygen. And the waste products of fermentation are lactic acid and succinic acid. And the cancer cell is dumping those out, clearly telling us in no uncertain terms what it is doing to stay alive. So, uh, we know that, and if, and they grow in the absence of oxygen. So, clearly, cancer cells do not use oxygen, where normal cells use oxygen. So, that tells us the, the, the foundational difference between a cancer cell and a normal cell. And they're used, they can't grow without the glucose, glutamine, and they can't switch to fatty acids or ketone bodies like normal cells can. So, the whole cancer thing is extremely simple in how to kill cancer and manage cancer, to both prevent and manage it.

So, why does the field not know this? Um, and why do they not act upon it? Uh, and there's a lot of reasons for that. And one of the reasons is they, they think cancer is a genetic disease. So, they keep chasing mutations and hunting and trying to target, uh, mutations or the effects of mutations, which are mostly irrelevant. And as, as the result of chasing and targeting things that are not relevant to the disease, we have 1,700 people a day dying in the United States from cancer, which is 70 an hour. And we have people dying from cancer in all countries around, around the world, uh, in high numbers. And, and none of these people, none of these studies are targeting the glucose and glutamine to stop the proliferation, uh, of these disregulated cells and transitioning the body to fatty acids and ketones while you're simultaneously targeting the fermentable fuels. You can go to any oncology clinic in the world and describe what I just said, and they look at you like a deer in the headlights. They have no clue. They've never heard what I said. And then if you, and if they, they want to act upon this, the standard of care prevents them from acting upon this, which is the change of radiation and chemo and a lot of the crazy things they're doing to these people. Um, they say, "Geez, why don't we just target glucose and glutamine while transitioning the body to nutritional ketosis?" "Oh, no, no, we can't do that." I, I said, "Wh, well, we haven't heard why. We'd heard something about." "No, you're not going to hear anything." In medical school, you're told cancer is a genetic disease. Therefore, you have to do immunotherapies and all these other kinds of things. And, and one of the things that's really remarkable, how come we don't make any advance? Well, uh, it's hard to make an advance when the entire world thinks it's something other than what it is. Um, and, and that explains why none, no country, whether it's Australia, England, Germany, France, UK, United States, China, we're all doing the same thing. You go there, and everywhere they're used, "Oh, we have to surgically debulk. We have to give you poisonous chemicals and radiation and immunotherapies or something like this." And, and a lot of people are killed by the treatments, and a lot of people, if they do survive the treatment, they're damaged in many different ways. Their organs are damaged from radiation. And radiation is not healthy. Let me tell you, it's not a healthy way to get. No one goes out and gets nuked or poisoned to become healthy. And yet, we're doing this to people with cancer. It's nuts. Doesn't make any sense. Um, and they don't make any sense because if you go to the National Institutes of Health, they say cancer is a genetic disease. It's a very complicated disease. Hundreds of different kinds of cats. [ __ ]. The, the, they're all the same. We showed that every major cancer. So, is just dependent on glucose and glutamine and can't burn fatty acids or ketone bodies? They're all the same. Colon, breast cancer. They're all, they're all basically have the same metabolic problem.

So, is that my next question? So, when it comes to breast cancer, prostate cancer, brain cancer, are they all one in the same, same conditions?

Yeah, they all have dysfunctional mitochondria, are dependent on a fermentation metabolism to, to grow. So, and they acidify the microenvironment with the waste products of the fermentation metabolism. Um, it's, it's over and over again. Every major cancer has, uh, insufficient oxidative phosphorylation coupled to substrate-level phosphorylation, which is the scientific terminology that I'm using. Oxidative phosphorylation replaced largely by substrate-level phosphorylation. This is an ancient pathway of energy. Before oxygen came into the atmosphere 2 and a half billion years ago, all the cells that existed on the planet were fermentors. These cancer cells are simply falling back on these ancient pathways that are driven by glucose and glutamine, uh, to get energy. So, we have clearly defined the fuels driving the disregulated growth. And what you do is you target those fuels because the normal cells in the body can transition over to fatty acids and ketone bodies, and the tumor cells can't because their mitochondria are dysfunctional. How is that so complicated? Um, uh, but I, I might as well be speaking in hieroglyphics or drawing things because nobody, see, can seem to understand it except when the people start using this therapy to manage their cancer, and the doctors are always mystified. "Oh, I didn't know you were going to survive so long." "Oh, you, you know, what are you doing?" And then when you tell them what they're doing, a lot of times the physicians say, "I don't know what you're doing, but just keep doing it."

As Professor Seafruit mentions, the most effective way to treat active cancer and even prevent it is through metabolic therapy, and that involves lowering the carbohydrates and increasing your healthy fats. And later in the episode, we'll discuss the easy way that you can know that your glucose is low enough and your healthy fats and your ketones are high enough so that you achieve therapeutic ketosis, and that's using what's called the GKI index. Now, as you make this switch to lowering the carbohydrates and increasing your healthy fats, you might experience some side effects like headache, nausea, and fatigue. Now, all this is very normal, especially at the beginning. So, what you can do is salt your meals and salt your water. But if the symptoms still persist, I would highly recommend you lean on a high-quality electrolyte, one that has sodium, potassium, and magnesium, because this is so important for proper brain and body function. And that is why I have Element as a sponsor of today's video. I personally like to use a high-quality supplement like Element because it has a science-backed mix of sodium, potassium, and magnesium without anything artificial and no preservatives. Now, Element has a wide variety of flavors to choose from, but I like the raw unflavored. I pop half a sachet in my morning coffee, and the other half I sprinkle in my water during the day. And right now, Element is offering my viewers this free sample pack on every order. So, you're going to get eight single servings of Element to try for free. So, if you want this, just head to drinkelement.com/theprimalpodcast.

So, do you have a success story? Because, because you mentioned, um, one in Greece, more recently, around people doing this, is called metabolic therapy, to treat cancer. Do you have success stories?

Yeah. Well, we had Pablo Kelly, who passed away. He was a glioblastoma patient, uh, who was initially diagnosed with an inoperable glioblastoma in 2014. And he reached out to me. And he, he, he didn't want any surgery at first, radiation, or chemo, just did metabolic therapy. And, um, his tumor, well, they were surprised. It did, it didn't grow very fast. It started to slow down. And then after two and a half years, he had it cut out, debulked. Um, and then he thought he was free of the cancer. Uh, but it never, never got completely out, and it started to grow again, but very, very slowly. And he had it debulked a second time. Uh, and then after several more years, he had it debulked a third time, never taking radiation or chemo. And then we spoke to him a week before he died, and we were laughing and at the fact that he had three rem debulking surgeries to move what was originally described as an inoperable tumor. So, we were laughing about that, how you have an in, you're diagnosed with an inoperable tumor that was going to kill you in nine months, uh, if you did not have radiation and chemo, because the tumor could not be operated on. But with, uh, two and a half years of metabolic therapy, voila, the tumor was operable, cut out, but it grew back. So, he was never cured. But he, on the fourth debulking surgery, which was a week after we spoke to him, he was in good spirits. He got married, had two children since the, since, since the original diagnosis. So, he died in, in, in, in, in 2024, last, last, um, Labor Day, I guess, last September, um, from a cerebral hemorrhage as the result of a fourth debulking surgery. He died 12 hours after that, the cerebral hemorrhage. If he didn't have that last debulking surgery, which was only to get rid of some tiny residual piece, he probably would have been still alive with us today. But 10 years with a glioblastoma is unheard of. Um, so, uh, oh, people say, "Well, he's only a fluke, an end of one." "Oh, yeah." "Well, why don't you see if we can get more?" "Oh, no, no, we have to do radiation and chemo." Well, that's what he didn't do. That's what he did not do. But our recent paper out of Greece, now that's a bigger study because that used 18 people, um, half, half of whom, uh, did a Mediterranean, uh, calorie-restricted Mediterranean diet, but they were irradiated, and they did have temozolomide. They did have standard of care, which itself puts the patient at incredible risk for death. Um, but they were unable to convince the institutional review board not to irradiate and use poisonous chemicals. So, they had to do that because it's locked, like it's written in granite everywhere. Um, so, anyway, they did use a calorie, according to our, uh, procedures, the glucose ketone index calculator, and they used a calorie-restricted Mediterranean ketogenic diet, which is, and published, just came out, so you can read it in Frontiers in Nutrition, um, and, uh, uh, of the people that maintained, and, and, and the diet wasn't bad. It was sardines and salmon, olive oil, and some avocado, and maybe some other stuff. U, but, you know, not unpalatable for sure. Um, and, and, uh, you know, eight people followed that, and, and, um, um, six people, sorry, followed that, and 10 people didn't. And the reason why that they didn't follow it, it was, it was like pressure from the family, and, and some people felt that they already had radiation and chemo. They didn't want to do a diet. And, but anyway, the, the guys that followed the diet, that, um, um, four of the six survived beyond three years. Um, and the guys, uh, who didn't do the diet, only one, uh, survived to three years. So, clearly, a striking difference in overall survival, uh, doing metabolic therapy, and that was with, uh, standard of care. Now, my hypothesis, and I've told the oncology world, "Prove me wrong." I said, "If you didn't do radiation and toxic poison surgery, for sure, we don't, we don't rule that out. We can shrink down those tumors if we have a watchful waiting period, and then the surgeon will debulk or take out a much greater part of the tumor, and then transition the people back over to metabolic therapy, like Pablo Kelly." But now we know we can target glutamine, uh, with, with parasite medications, uh, which makes it even more powerful. So, so we think we can keep cancer patients alive two, three, four times longer, with, without toxicity, brain cancer, go, glioblastoma patients, much, much longer, at a much higher quality of life. But nobody wants to touch that with a 10-foot pole. Um, they, they want to stick to the, the crazy stuff they've been doing, uh, for 100 years. You know, we haven't made any advance in glioblastoma in 100 years. Um, and, and, and we want to move them forward. We want to move it forward. But, uh, there's a lot of reasons why, and a lot of it has nothing to do with the science. The science tells us exactly what to do. The tumor cells are telling us exactly what they're doing to stay alive. And they're telling us that if we do this and that, we will kill them. But what the tumor cells are telling us seems to fall on the deaf ears of the establishment. Uh, they want to continue to do the stuff they've been doing for decades without any major advance. Um, and we're saying, "No, we can keep these guys alive a lot longer." And the same thing can be with breast cancer, prostate cancer, colon cancer. All they, all can be managed quite effectively, uh, with metabolic therapy. Uh, uh, but what we do is we do horrible things to people. Uh, you know, we poison and irradiate them to make them healthy. And, and, and a lot of times this doesn't work. And the new immunotherapies, Keytruda, Opdivo, Avastin, all these kinds of things, um, they're not working to a great extent. Yes, they are working on some people. I don't want to say that they're not working. You do get about 20% of people that do really well. Then you get 60% of people where they don't, doesn't do anything. But then there's a term called hyperprogressive disease, where the therapy will kill you before the cancer. It's called hyperprogressive disease. And you get about 20, 16 to 20% of these folks. So, you know, why would you treat anyone with a remote chance that it will kill you? Uh, but what's another thing which we're finding is, if you do metabolic therapy, the standard of care can do better as well. So, and that's what the, what the Greek study was telling us. Um, but if we didn't do standard of care, or we used modified parts of the standard of care, we can keep people alive so much longer, especially when they're first diagnosed. A lot of people come to me after they've been brutalized by the system and say, "I want to do metabolic therapy." Well, they're gaunt, uh, they look like death warmed over, you know, they're all bald, and I mean, man, it's tough to bring somebody back from that kind of abuse. But when you're first diagnosed, uh, usually you're pretty healthy in a lot of, a lot of cases. You know, you're not so bad off. You do really remarkably well when you institute metabolic therapy upfront. And then if you need radiation and chemo, you can always do that. Nobody's preventing you. But why would you do it upfront, make yourself brutalized by, make your body unhealthy by poison and radiation? Are not healthy for the body? Because it's because people, they don't know about this metabolic therapy. Well, they're learning. I can tell you right now, a lot of people know about it. But when they go and go to their professionals, even in Australia, they, I can know, I can tell you, a lot of times, New Zealand, Australia, they get slapped down. They say, "Oh, there's no evidence to support." Where don't these people read? No, they don't read the scientific literature. And they either don't read it or don't understand it. They have to be told. It's not like they, they have any ability to say, "I want to do metabolic therapy," and then the system says, "Well, you can't do that. You must do standard of care." Oh, well, that prevents even the good physician that understands the science can't even do it. So, the system has to be gutted. Uh, this system is not working for us. Uh, uh, and who controls the system? The hospitals, the pharmaceutical companies? I don't know. You figure it out. All I know is people want to live, and the system is preventing them from doing that. And if those who live pay a price, your bones are have bone problems, bone density problems, you have emotional stress, you have cardiovascular problems, you have all kinds of new ailments for the fact that you survive toxic poison and radiation or surgical mutilation. I mean, uh, the whole system has to be revamped and changed, uh, if people want to live a, and, uh, and they want to get on with their lives. They, yeah, you can have cancer, but if you know how to manage it, it doesn't become a death sentence. Um, you can take the fear and the, the anxiety out of this disease very easily. But, but that's not being, that's not being conveyed. That information is not. I have the science. I published these papers in top medical journals, and there it is, laid out in front of you. It's just, I mean, what am I gonna do? Jam it down your throat? I mean, what, what do we do here? But if people want to live, they'll know about it.

So, do you think that the metabolic therapy can actually save people that have existing cancer and it can prevent cancer entirely?

Oh, absolutely. Prevent. You can't get cancer if your mitochondria are healthy. Don't forget our paleolithic ancestors. Now, who wants to go back and live in a cave, right? You want to go back and, you know, eat, eat, uh, what do you guys eat down there? Koala bears and kangaroos and that kind of stuff? I mean, hey, you got a koala bear running through your backyard? Oh, he's dinner tonight. You know, uh, it's not that bad here in Australia. Come on. I mean, it's actually, people think that about Australia that we've got kangaroos just jumping outside our backyard. But you actually have to go to the outback to see the kangaroos. Then bring them in town. Bring them on the streets of Sydney. Yeah. Yeah. Wrestling them down. That's dinner for tonight, right? I mean, you think of the people that lived in Australia before the, uh, the Irish came there and all these others? They were Aboriginal folks. What did they eat? How much cancer did those guys get? Uh, uh, how much diabetes? How many morbidly obese Aboriginal folks did you ever see living in the outback and wherever? Um, you know, when you look at those kinds of folks, they were lean, they, they were chiseled. Uh, they had a lot of exercise. They weren't eating. Now, you take those same folks and give them the great, uh, Western diet and lifestyle, and they got cancer, diabetes, obesity. They got all, all the stuff that the rest of us have. So, uh, it's clearly diet and lifestyle. Um, and the gene mutations that people say, "Oh, I got BRCA1." We have, we have a big paper ready to launch. Every one of those genetic risk factors are what we call a risk factor that initiates disregulated cell growth because it impacts the mitochondria directly. So, so we know what causes cancer, and we can reduce the risk to massively, but we have to change our diet and lifestyle. And some people would say, "I'm going to roll the dice." It's like a guy who smokes. "Oh, I like smoking. I'll, I, I don't know if I'll ever get lung cancer. I, I might get emphysema, but I'm, I like smoking." Okay. Okay. Well, we're never going to take away, uh, pizzas and jelly donuts and, uh, all kinds of highly processed carbs from people. We just want to let them know that if you eat that, you put yourself at risk for cancer, diabetes, high blood pressure, hypertension, dementia, all these kinds of things. They just don't know that right now. But we, we offer a plan using the glucose ketone index calculator as a tool to know whether or not you're in a zone of risk for cancer and chronic diseases, and, and what you can do to get out of that zone into a healthier zone. All quantitative, which then becomes everybody's personal choice to determine whether or not they want to live in a risky zone or a healthy zone.

Let's talk about the solution then, getting into this metabolic therapy, so that we understand the theory around, you're saying that basically, uh, cells, so the mitochondria gets dysfunctional, and then the cells rely on an energy which is called fermentation, which relies on glutamine and glucose for energy, and it's anaerobic, so it's not using oxygen for energy, and that's how cancer cells multiply and get worse. Is that kind of the good summary around that?

Yeah, and, and, and as they get worse and worse, uh, they acidify the microenvironment, making, because their waste products are acid, acid, and that causes a much greater amount of inflammation. So, you have abnormal blood vessels, the immune system comes in, and the immune system then throws out growth factors and cytokines, which makes a bad situation much, much worse, uh, uh, to this. And then, of course, uh, when the cancer cells spread, which is called metastasis, metastasis or metastasis, we have, we have clearly shown what the nature, the biology of the metastatic cell is, an immune cell. It's a macrof, part of our immune system itself. So, once you, we took us 10 years to figure this out, and the field, the cancer field, uh, still thinks all cancer, these metastatic cells are stem cells. I can't go into the absurdity of how the cancer field looks at metastasis and looks at all this stuff. It's all based on gene think, silo gene think. And when you do that, you're, you're lost. You're a lost soul. You're a lost scientist. Um, we have clearly shown that these metastatic cells are hybrid cells of macrophages, which is a very powerful cell in our body to kill bacteria, and they have the, they're already programmed to, uh, move through lymph nodes. They're already programmed to enter and exit the bloodstream. And we already know that they're highly glutamine dependent. So, we know how to kill them. Um, at the same time, we know that the immune cells, the normal immune cells, need and use the same fuel as the tumor cell. So, you can't be too aggressive in knowing, "Well, yes, we'll kill a lot of tumor cells." But if we don't use the tool correctly, we'll damage our own immune system, preventing our immune system from picking up the dead corpses from the metabolic therapy. So, um, the, I guess, I guess the difficulty, uh, which makes it a little bit more complicated and not as simple as I've made it. It's, to me, it's remarkably simple, but we have to be sure that people know biology, and they need to know the difference between the biology of an immune cell and the biology of a non-immune cell, and the biology of a cancer cell versus the biology of, of these different cells. So, it's a biological problem, uh, and it's a, it's how the cells get energy, what the biology of the cell is, and once you know that, this cancer problem becomes very manageable. So, so to simplify it in a way, it's targeting two things: glucose, which is what the cancer cells feed off, and then also glutamine. I want to discuss both so that people, even at home, they can do things to prevent cancer with what they eat and their lifestyle, focusing on the glucose part. Um, so, we'll talk about the ketogenic diet and ketones and the GKI index in a second, but I want to ask you about glutamine, because that's a non-essential amino acid. So, the body uses that. So, how does that feed cancer?

Well, that's a, that's an essential fuel for cancer. You, you can't grow without it. The glutamine is given nitrogen. So, um, uh, the glucose gives the carbons, and the glutamine gives carbons and nitrogen, and both of them give energy, ATP. Um, so, the glutamine is, uh, you can't grow and make new DNA and RNA and proteins without a nitrogen source. So, the glutamine provides the cancer cell with the nitrogen source. Uh, and the cancer is taking in glucose in large amounts, and those are the carbons for making fatty acids and nucleic acids. So, there's a huge, powerful synergy between the carbons from glucose and the carbons and nitrogen from glutamine. They, together, they are powerful synergistic fuels. But you can lower glucose with diet and lifestyle issues. But glutamine requires targeting. Uh, you can also lower some glutamine with, with great exercise. Exercise, which is another, uh, absolute necessity for managing cancer, is the exercise part. The exercise sucks the glucose out of the blood, uh, for the muscles, lowering blood sugar further, but also can lower glutamine. So, um, uh, and then you come in with a small amount of glutamine-targeting drugs, pulsing, pulsing. That's why we developed the press-pulse strategy. You can press glucose down, but you can, you, you can't press glutamine because it's absolutely essential for our gut, our immune system, the urea cycles, and this kind of thing. So, you really have to be strategic, uh, when you're targeting glutamine. You just can't chokehold glutamine because it's so essential for so many other things. So, you pulse it, uh, as dosage, timing, and scheduling. You chokehold the glucose with the diet, lifestyle, and you come in with parasite drugs and other drugs that will target, uh, the glutamine and the glucose together. And you exercise. You do a lot of exercise.

Okay. What's the exercise that you would recommend to target the glutamine?

I would say that any, any, most exercise, swimming, running, walking, depending on what age you are. You know, you're not going to get a 90-year-old guy to run a marathon. But he can certainly walk around if he's still able to do that. Whereas younger people can be, you know, doing more walking, weightlifting, and all this kind of stuff. Because the more activity you give your muscles, the more, uh, breathing you have, you make your mitochondria healthy. You're sucking the glucose and the glutamine out of the, out of the system. And then you come in with this, with with strategic targeting, uh, of these processes, and these hammer, these cancer cells get hammered. They can't handle it. And then people say, "Oh, they're versatile." No, they, they're not versatile. We interrogated these damn cells. They are absolutely dependent on this fuel. If you, and the reason why they look so hard, they look so great, because when you take radiation and toxic poisons, you free up the two fuels driving these cancer cells. So, you, so the fuels, the, what we're doing to the cancer patients are allowing the cells to have the very fuels they need to grow. So, you, it's, and that's why it's not effective for so many people. Yeah, you can keep these things at bay if you incinerate a whole region of your tissue with a radiation and poison somebody where they're vomiting and diarrhea, fatigue. I mean, this is causing stress on the tumor cell, but the stress on the body too. Ketogenic metabolic therapy makes the normal cells in your body super healthy because you're burning ketones. You're not allowing them to be poisoned. But the tumor cells can't make those switches. They're locked into a fermentation metabolism. This is unbelievable. Wait until the world knows about this. Everybody's going to be jumping on metabolic therapy. Where you going?

Well, let's talk about the metabolic therapy and what we can do at home, which is a high-fat ketogenic diet. Do you think high-fat diets can actually kill cancer, prevent it at the comfort in your own home?

The high-fat diet is designed to keep your mitochondria healthy. If your mitochondria remain healthy, you're not going to get cancer. Uh, it's just that simple. So, you burn ketones, and, and, and it's not like, "Oh, let me go out and eat a tub of lard." Um, don't forget what our ancestors did. Uh, when they killed big animals, they would go for the marrow. The marrow had a lot of the bone marrow has fat in it. So, they would get the fat, and they would eat organ meat. Organ meat had a lot of glucose in it because the liver stores in glycogen. Um, so, we were getting all of our nutrients, uh, from organ meat and from bone marrow. Our ancestors knew what to do. Uh, what killed our ancestors, as I said before, was injuries and infections. They did not have antibiotics, and they didn't have orthopedic surgeons, uh, that could fix broken bones and healed flesh and this kind of stuff. So, they died from infections and injuries. Um, uh, we, we don't die too much from infections and injuries today. Uh, well, I should say, there's MRSA in the hospitals, which, which is kind of a sepsis that can kill you real quick. Um, and, but they're antibiotic-resistant bacteria, of course, and that still will kill people. Um, in mostly in hospitals, if you can believe it. Um, so, but, but, you know, we can manage some of these, uh, injuries and infections. But now we're dying from chronic diseases. We're dying from type 2 di, the complications of diabetes, cancer, hypertension, high blood pressure, cardiovascular disease. These are all conditions of energy abuse, mitochondrial disturbance. In some cases, in order to get cancer, not only do you have to damage and abuse the mitochondria, you have to do it in a cell that is capable of upregulating the fermentation machinery to replace the oxygen from, uh, from respiration. Uh, otherwise, you can't get cancer. And the evidence for that comes from neurons in the brain and cardiac myocytes in healthy people. They never get, rarely if ever get cancer because neurons cannot switch to fermentation, nor can cardiac myocytes. They can't switch. So, you never see cancer in these kinds of cells. Whereas other cells, liver cells, colon cells, breast cells, these are all can be switched to fermentation. So, um, but it's very clear when you know the biology, what's going on.

So, can you explain the role of being in ketosis, and this is therapeutic ketosis, to not get cancer? Because it's not just about ketones, it's about therapeutic ketosis. Can you explain that, please?

Yeah. Well, therapeutic ketosis is when your blood sugar is down and your ketones are up. And, and, and our ancestors, our paleolithic ancestors, were always in a semi-state of nutritional ketosis. They did not have highly processed carbohydrates in the environment. They're eating kangaroos and, and wallabies and those kinds of things, right? Whatever, whatever they, they ate there in Australia. And we killed buffaloes and wherever, wherever we were, we ate what was, what was available for, for us. Well, you're not going to get type 2 diabetes eating buffalo meat, right? Because you, we have a hormone called cholecystokinin, which suppresses appetite when fats come into the environment. But when you eat sugars, you, you suppress cholecystokinin and you keep eating and eating. Sugar, glucose is an addictive molecule. It makes you hungry even when you're not hungry. So, it makes you eat even when you know you're full. Um, you eat a great big meal of buffalo meat, and then somebody comes out with a, with a cheesecake, and you're going to eat the cheesecake too, right? I mean, this is all based on phys. But our ancestors didn't have this. They were very active. So, they had a lot of activity and hunter-gathering. I mean, you can only sit on your ass for so long before you have to go out and get something to eat. And to kill an animal, uh, and chop it up and butcher it and cook it, uh, takes a lot of energy. You have to collect water from the stream. You're always moving. You're always doing something, otherwise you're going to starve to death. And then when you ate, you ate as much as you possibly could, but it wasn't highly processed carbohydrates. Um, and, you know, we, we probably slept better. Uh, we had a lot of exercise. Uh, and we were in a state of nutritional ketosis, um, not by choice, but by, but by by situation. And as soon as we, our technology came into place where we could cultivate grains during the Neolithic period, uh, we could get more carbohydrates from rice, wheat, corn, uh, these kinds of grains, that brought more carbs, uh, into our diet. And then eventually, we could process the carbs to make them more and more, uh, sweet and, and less and less nutritious. Uh, of course, we get civilization around food sources, uh, otherwise we'd all still be trying to kill kangaroos and buffaloes. Um, but, but, uh, now we, we farm these things. We, we have farms for the animals, and, and we can provide the food for us. Now, today, in on the world, we have more obese people than we have starving people. Go figure this one out. So, and these obese people are mostly suffering from all kinds of chronic diseases. Um, and cancer is being one of the big, big ones. So, we're still biologically paleolithic man. We're just in a different, totally different kind of environment than what we evolved to be in. And, uh, and now our, our science and technology has has evolved much, much faster than our biology. And as a result, we are morbidly obese. We're chronically diseased, cancer-ridden, dementia-ridden, um, and, and, and younger and younger people are falling into the cancer and some of these chronic diseases. Diabetes in little kids, cancer in little kids, young people. I've seen so many in the late 20s now, in the mid-30s, early 40s, cancer going on, colon cancer, breast cancer, brain cancer, bladder cancer. I said, "What the hell is going on?" It's all. And then, of course, we got all the microplastics and forever chemicals. Um, you know, and we know all of these will chronically damage mitochondria. So, so we know pretty, I know, I know what pretty much is going on here, but we're tormented and tempted by advertisements on television and billboards with all these delicious foods. Um, and, and we love them. Are you kidding me? I

mean you eat this stuff, you, you know, I told you when I eat, so I get all excited, man. It's just like unbelievable. Eat a big pizza, you know? I want to talk about, okay, but I, I do want to give people specifics around what foods they should really like focus on because there's so many different diets out there. But if we can understand what foods we should eat entirely, um, that's going to help prevent cancer. And even people that have existing cancer, it's going to manage their condition along with they could see you for the metabolic therapy. I have a list of foods here and I want to get your opinion.

Well, listen, I, I, I, you let the GKI, the glucose ketone index, tell you what you can and cannot eat. So, you, each person should be their own experimental, um, subject. So, you, you take your list of foods and you, what, what could throw, what could your G, glucose keto, which we published. It's a, it's a little meter now. Keto Mojo. You can go on Amazon, you can buy it. Everybody pricks their finger, gets a drop of blood, takes the glucose strip, and you get the glucose reading. And then you take the ketone strip and get the ketone reading. And, and then you'll be able to know what, what zone you're in, what glucose ketone index zone.

So, the foods that you're going to list, uh, might, uh, Australians might not respond the same way as a German or an Englishman or, or an Asian. So, we, we don't know, uh, until that everybody measures their GKI and see what it does to their GKI. And we public, we have this big thing now where you're in unhealthy zones, um, trial and error zones, and super healthy zones. And we know we kill cancer cells when we have a GKI 2.0 and below. So, people say, "Well, I'm going to run out and get a 2.0." Oh, yeah. Let's see how easy it is. It's not easy. You can't eat any of those foods you're going to tell me. You have to do a lot of exercise. And, okay, give me one of the foods. Give me one of the foods.

High-fat meats. High-fat meats. Well, again, that, that's probably not going to spike your glucose. And it's going to improve your ketones. Going to imp, depends on how much you eat. Don't eat much of it. You get very healthy if you can just eat like, uh, you know, some grams of it. Okay. What about butter? Butter? Um, well, yeah. Okay. Let's sit down and, and eat a kilo of butter, right? Ain't gonna happen. Of course, a little bit's not going to kill you. Um, right. None of, none of this stuff is going to hurt you in small amounts. It's only when you start, uh, you know, pounding down big amounts of this stuff. But yes, uh, a big ribeye steak or a piece of liver. Uh, uh, these kinds of things in small amounts. You throw some bacon on top of the liver, you know, cook the bacon and liver together, and the same, um, uh, yeah, these are, these are all pretty, uh, pretty good as long as you don't over, overdo it.

Oh, then we have to have a big, a big ass potato, uh, with a lot of bread. Okay, then we throw ourselves out of the glucose ketone. Yeah, but everybody likes that, right? Got a big piece of bread with butter, lather on the butter, and you dip it into the juices of the, of the steak, the juices of the fatty steak. That throws you, that throws you, that throws you out. It sounds like you've, you've seen a lot of, uh, people in person, so you know their behavioral traits and you know their habits. Oh, yeah, absolutely. You know, I mean, that's because the bread and the butter, I mean, we love it. It's very tasty. It's got full of carbs. Very tasty. Uh, but if you ate the butter without the bread, it would be better, uh, than eating the bread with the butter. Um, but, but also, you can eat bread. Uh, but I, I, I, uh, I mean, we, we love bread. I'm not going to stop eating bread. But the thing is, for somebody that has active cancer, I'm just saying, or somebody that really wants to prevent cancer. What I'm trying to say is, if you eat some of these foods, high-fat meat, some butter, some, you know, even olive oil, or like things that don't have the sugars and the carbohydrates, you're really going to prevent yourself from having cancer.

Prevention for sure. Uh, once you have cancer, you can also manage it that way. But, uh, how many people are going to say, "I'm not going to ever eat a pizza or a piece of bread with butter on it because I want to prevent cancer?" Give me a break. You know, it's just like the guy who smokes the cigarette. He's, "I'm not going to get lung cancer. I'll take the risk." Okay. Some guy sitting there with a big beautiful baked baguette, got a nice piece of butter on it. I said, "Oh, I don't know if I should do that. It might give me colon cancer." He's going to eat it. You kidding me? He's going to eat it.

What if it's once in a while, though, that people are having these occasional foods? It, that's okay, then. I think the exercise comes in as a real issue here. I, I think, I think if you're actively exercising, uh, regularly, uh, they call it, um, an opportunity to exercise, you know, a half an hour for an hour a day in a cardiovascular exercise, re, significantly reduces the risk from eating the bread and the butter. Um, so, or other, uh, potentially harmful foods. Everything is in balance. Uh, but, you know, we're a species that are absolutely imbalanced. Uh, we're compulsive. Uh, right. Uh, everybody's compulsive with one thing or another. Uh, you know, they binge eat, uh, and then they don't eat. You know, it's like they binge drink and then they don't drink. Um, so, it's a balanced thing, but we're not telling anybody they can't binge eat or binge drink or whatever. As long as they can maintain generally good exercise in a GKI, uh, that's not too whacked out. Uh, uh, you know, we see GKIs, um, you know, 50 and above. Sometimes we see really high GKIs, which whereas you're like a diabetic with, um, um, you know, 300 milligrams per deciliter with almost no ketones. I mean, his GKI is like 800, something like this. So, um, don't do the calculation. What is? I have to, I'd have to sit here and do the calculation. You divide, you have to convert the glucose to millimolar, uh, uh, and you divide it by 18. So, you'd have to divide 300 by, by 18, and then, and then, um, uh, um, let me see. So, you'd have 300, that would be 300 milligrams per deciliter, which is pretty high. That's like a diabetic, right? Um, uh, divided by 18, uh, equals. So, that's 16 by, by six. Um, uh, that's what is 16 millimolar, uh, divided by 0.01. Okay, that gives you a GK of 1,600 GK. And to kill, and to kill cancer cells, you need 2.0 below. So, you can get an idea of how whacked out your GKI can be in these very unhealthy states.

So, we're saying anything above 50, uh, is in, it becomes on a regular basis, not on occasional. Because if we're, if we're in a healthy zone, and we're going to go out and eat the big cheesecake, uh, with chocolate syrup on it, or a deep-fried Twinkie with powdered sugar on it, um, you know, you're going to spike your GKI, but it's only going to be there for a short period of time before you can back, back level, back down. Uh, but the poor diabetic who has 300 milligrams per deciliter, with zero ketones in his body, um, you know, his GKI is going to be really, really high and very unhealthy. And then you see, oh, he has, let me, what else does he have behind diab, oh, oh, he's morbidly obese. Oh, he's got high blood pressure. Oh, he, you know, I mean, well, of course, you're putting it all together now, and then you say, "Oh, look at what's my GKI?" Well, it's like 500 or 600. Well, that tells you why you're in that zone. You shouldn't be in that zone.

So, what the GKI is, is a hard quantitative measure to allow a person, any person, in any culture, any religion, any gender, to know whether or not, uh, they choose to stay in an unhealthy zone or choose to enter into these healthy zones. And then they can personally determine how long they want to maintain these zones. But, but the issue is, they don't. Right now, there is no quantitative biomarker or tool that can do that except the glucose ketone index. And that's going to be the tool that people in the world will use to determine whether or not they're in various kinds of, uh, zones of, of health or zones that will put them at risk for chronic disease and cancer. It's pretty easy as well, because you can use the Keto Mojo, and you mentioned that they put a button on there to test the GKI index. Is that right? Yeah. So, it's just the ratio of, of blood sugar to ketones. The problem is, the meters read sugar in, in milligrams per deciliter, and that has to be converted to millimolar. So, the, the Mojo does it all for you. You have a little strip of, now here's the situation right now. You have to take a drop of blood from the tip of your finger, and you get, okay, that gives you the glucose. You put it in the meter. It reads the glucose. Then you squeeze your finger a little bit more, take a ketone strip, and touch the drop, and then put that into the meter, and then it will give you the ketones. And then you push the button on the meter, and it gives you the ratio, which is the GKI. So, you write, know right away.

But you see, our technology is advancing rather rapidly, and we have a free Libre blood glucose constant monitor that you can put on your arm. Uh, once the monitor comes out that you can measure both glucose and ketones, and it will do all the measure, all the conversions for you, then you can go on your cell phone and at any given time, you're going to see your GKI, uh, while you're eating the, the donut, while you're eating the pizza, or while you're eating the kangaroo. Hopefully, people are eating more of the kangaroo than, than the donut. Um, so, so, so when people want to prevent the cancer, or even fix existing cancer, so following a high-fat ketogenic approach as much as they can, don't have the donuts, and don't have the pizza. Um, also exercising. But I do want to touch upon water fasting. That is a protocol of metabolic therapy. Why does that help? Uh, well, that throws you down. That brings your GKI down much further. So, this is, this is one of the strategies that we just published in our big, uh, cancer treatment protocol with, with many authors, but physicians, scientists, to nutrition dieticians, and the whole group that understand the concepts. Um, uh, because a lot of people cannot go cold turkey with water only fasting. It is very hard. It, it, you're addicted to glucose. It's like, how easy is it if you're an alcoholic? How easy is it to all of a sudden go cold turkey on the drink? Not easy. If you're a heavy smoker, how, how easy is it to stop smoking? Not easy. If you're a drug addict, you're hooked on heroin or cocaine. You can't wake up, "I don't want it today." You're, you're, you're addicted. And glucose is a powerful addiction to the brain. And you don't believe me? Uh, okay. Uh, don't eat now for the next three days, and you'll see how, how powerful that glucose addiction is.

So, one way to, uh, break that is to just go for a week or 10 days on a very low carbohydrate diet. And you, and you can downgrow, down low the carbohydrates as you go through, because you'll, even even eating, uh, a very low carbohydrate diet with, whether it's carnivore or whatever, um, pescatarian, Mediterranean, very low carb, um, your body will slowly adjust because we're moving back into our paleolithic zone as we evolve. This is who we are. We're paleolithic people. And then when you're down, and you say, "My GKI is like, wow, it's five. Uh, it's really doing good. Now I want to kill cancer cells, and I need to get 2.0 or below." Then you do water only fasting, and you jump into water only fasting. And now the body has already acclimated itself to approach this special zone. Then when you're in water only fasting, your GKI will get below, uh, two, sometimes below one. Then you come in with the parasite medications and some other these glutamine targeting drugs, and you just blast the hell out of these tumor cells, man. They, they get, they get cold-cocked, uh, because they can't handle this. This is not the environment that makes them happy, that keeps them growing. You're actually strangling and starving them to death. But the rest of the body is getting healthy, burning the ketones and fatty acids. It's just, we evolved to burn ketones and fatty acids. The brain can switch from glucose to fatty, to not fatty acids. The brain switches to ketones, but the muscles can burn fatty acids. The heart can burn fatty acids. The liver will take the fatty acids and make ketone bodies out of it. This is who we are. We're just going back to our paleolithic period, uh, by knowing what to do and how to do it. Now we have a quantitative measure to allow us to know to do this. So, it's not a mystery.

So, people say, "Oh, I'm on ketosis. What? How did you measure your GK?" No. Well, how do you know? Well, I'm guessing. Well, do you shouldn't guess. Even the neuron strips are not accurate. No, they're not. Because, uh, if you take a little, if you're in good ketosis, and you take a little bit of carb, you start peeing out your ketones, you look on the strip and say, "Wow, look at the ketosis I'm in." And you get misinformation. It's blood. You got to do it in the blood. Uh, uh, and once we have all these technologies at our hands, oh yeah, we're going to drop the kid. We're never going to get rid of cancer. We're never going to get rid of chronic diseases. But at least we have the choice and the know-how now to determine whether or not I'm at risk. Uh, I've been in a risky environment. And some people don't care. Um, there's always the guy who, who doesn't care. And, and that's what we found with the, uh, with our, our Greek study with the brain cancer. Some people said, "Well, I had radiation, chemo, and, and I had all this stuff, and I think that should be good enough, and I don't need to do any keto." Well, he's dead. He didn't make it. Some of those guys didn't. The ones who, who didn't hang on, they all died early. Uh, just like most of the people. But the guys that ate the, the salmon, and the, and the olive oils, and the, they lasted over three years. Let's give me a break. You know, one guy's out 20 months. Pablo was out 10 years, you know, 122 months, uh, dying from a cerebral hemorrhage. But it, it shows you this works. This can work. People just know need to know what to do and how to do it, and be helped by a knowledgeable physician. Uh, somebody that will give them a pat on the back and say, "Good, good going, you know, and then we can give you a little bit of this and a little bit of that. Keep you on that plane, and we can manage you and bring you out of this, uh, state of unhealth." But they're not getting that. They're being told, "Oh, this is nuts. No, no evidence to support this." So, there's a lot of misinformation. And then you get all the guys that are saying, "Oh, this supplement, that supplement, oh, do this and do that." These guys don't know anything. They're not the ones in the lab.

So, do you think that any supplements work for, for cancer, or they don't? Uh, some of, I know I'm not against supplements that have no function, uh, because it makes you feel good. It's a placebo thing. But some of these supplements can actually make a bad situation worse by, by some guy saying something. I don't want to go through like what supplement is good and what's not good. But, you know, the, there, these guys are charlatans, quacks. But, you know, the, on the other hand, uh, you take a sick person and, uh, and poison them. I mean, that's also quackery in my mind. It's just, it's just substantiated by the system. I mean, we, in a hundred years, we're going to look back and say, "What the hell did we do to these poor people? Why did we brutalize them like this?" Didn't we know that you could get the same, the job done without having to do this? But it's going to take a while for the system to adjust and the people to understand. And, uh, we just keep publishing the papers, and more and more trials will come out, and GKIs will be used, and people will know what to do and how to do it. It's just that simple.

Okay, last question for you. You mentioned that people like to eat the bread, the pizza, and all the rest of it. What do you think is a worse food or foods that cause cancer? Well, I, I don't, I don't want to say cause cancer. I want to say put you at risk for mitochondrial dysfunction. That, that's the key. What causes cancer? Mitochondrial, uh, oxiphos insufficiency coupled to a substrate level phosphorylation. Uh, whether you get that from a viral infection, from radiation, uh, from poor sleep, from carcinogens, all of those things. Uh, B. Now, if you have cancer, and you eat foods that are loaded with poorly, highly processed carbs, you're going to make the cancer cells are going to love it. They're going to grow faster. Uh, we did one of the first studies in mice where we showed that you could actually accelerate or, or reduce the speed of, with disregulated cell growth, directly measuring blood sugar. The higher the sugar, the faster the cancer cells grow. And this now has been shown for colon, breast cancer, humans. You, you want to, you want to get your cancer to grow fast, you got to get your blood sugar up. Uh, you really have to work hard. Now, if that means you eat pizzas and donuts every night, and, and chocolate bars and ice cream, whatever has the highest level of highly processed carbs, will make your cancer grow fast. Um, uh, and, and, and this has already been shown in the clinic. Those folks that have higher blood sugar levels don't live as long as the people who have lower blood sugars. So, so, so we know that reducing your blood sugar, and this is, doesn't make any sense because, because some of these cancer patients, uh, are, they have fatigue, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, they lose, they're losing weight because they've been poisoned and radiated. So, we call that pathological weight loss. So, in order to gain the weight, they they give you Ensure and donuts and pizzas and, and they give you all this. This is nuts. This is nuts. What are these people doing? Oh, we have to keep the weight on. Well, why did he lose weight? Oh, because we poisoned the guy. Well, who doesn't lose weight when you're poisoned? Go, go, go and take some of the chemo. You want to lose weight? Take chemo. You know, vomiting, diarrhea, fatigue, nausea. You can't get gain weight when you have this kind of a feeling. So, so we're going to give you now sugary diet foods to gain your weight back. This is nuts. This is crazy, man. This is like nuts. People will come to know in the years, they say, "Whoa, man, who are the crazy people doing this stuff?"

So, all we have to do is target the glucose and glutamine and transition the body to nutritional ketosis, and you can hammer these tumor cells without going bald, without having your gums bleeding, without sitting on the toilet all day long, without can't get out of bed because you feel so bad. They said, you don't have to have any of this stuff.

What do you think about early, um, tests to test for cancer? Is that valid? Is that good? Like mammograms, because they talk about the risk associated with the radiation of all these early screening? Yeah. Well, I, I don't know about that. They, they always say, you know, colon cancer, colon cancer, we got to have colonoscopies and all this stuff. Colon cancer is increasing all the time with, even if you have colonoscopy. I don't know what's going on with that with that stuff. All I know is it's really hard to get cancer if you have a low GKI. Um, so, uh, you know, and if you, if you are detected to have cancer, uh, you, I, I, I'm, I'm not telling any, I'm not a physician. I can't tell anybody what to do or what not to do. All I can do is share the scientific information with them. Uh, but I would never use a biopsy or any of this stuff because you run the risk of spreading the tumor cells around the body. Uh, I, I would like to know what non-invasive imaging technology could you use to say you have a lesion that looks like it could be cancer? Uh, but we can't know until we do a biopsy. Well, let's just assume it is, uh, without doing the biopsy, and let's just hammer the hell out of it using metabolic therapy, and then see what happens to it. Okay. Oh, wow. It shrunk. Uh, in some cases, it might go away. Well, why would you do stick something that's no longer there? And then if it doesn't go away, well, why don't we consider a surgical procedure to see if we can just get rid of it, or a dose of radiation in a period, in an area of the body which is very hard to surgically get to, but it's now shrunken. It's not the same as it was when it was first detected. Now, we may be able to use radiation as a curative procedure, surgery as a curative procedure. Um, and we may not need to use much chemo. And if we had to use chemo, we might use just a tiny bit of it, just to see if we can kill a few cells off, or immunotherapy after the tumor is shrunk, and there's only a few small, we might come in with a small dose of immunotherapy. So, again, we have all the tools needed right now to manage cancer effectively if we know how to use them in terms of what the nature of the biology of the problem is. And, and that's what we do. So, yeah, this is going to happen. I have, I have no, no doubt about it. You know why it works.

So, if somebody is listening to this, cuz I know my cousin, so my aunt, she has active cancer, and I think I reached out to you because, um, they wanted to get help from the doctors in your clinic. So, if somebody wants to do this metabolic therapy, how do they do it if they can't go to Istanbul, Turkey? Well, you know, I mean, this is the great tragedy right now. And we know what to do, and we know how to do it, but, but, but the patient themselves can't be the only participant. Uh, metabolic therapy requires a tremendous input and activity upon the part of the patient. Some patients don't even want to be bothered. And it requires some level of scientific literacy, uh, if you want to survive. And a lot of, neither the physicians nor the patients, uh, have the scientific literacy to, to work together as a team. Um, you have to have the, uh, uh, the caregivers. They must be knowledgeable and understand the science that I, that we are producing. And we have written very comprehensive treatment protocols for physicians to become educated to help their patients. But the patient must also be knowledgeable. So, I don't know. I never had a, well, then you put your soul, your existence at risk. You better wise up quick, otherwise you're going to be, uh, part of the planet. Um, so, uh, so you have to, if, though, th, if those people are motivated enough to want to know about this stuff, but they need somebody to help explain this to them. Um, and the, and the physi, if the physician thinks cancer is a genetic disease, he's not the right guy to be explaining this to them. So, so they have to be educated as well. So, the, the, the hospitals, the caretakers must be educated. You know, you go to a hospital, man, they get the worst kind of food there. They're given to these poor people. It's just terrible, right? It's just unbelievable. So, um, and the nutritionists are giving you, uh, Ensure and, and candy to make your weight gain in the hospital. Um, you know, it's like, what's going on? Uh, because we've lost, we've lost an understanding of who we are as a species, where we came from, where did our biology come from, how did we evolve, where did we, how did we become who we are today? And it all goes back to biochemistry, evolutionary biology, and then we can manage these diseases. We shouldn't allow ignorance to stand in our way, because we can do it. And we just, people just have to be shown what to do and how to do it. And that's what's going to happen. And they can do this at home. Like, even if you want to prevent it with a GKI index, it's really, really easy. People just need to like, take a bit of action. Yeah. But you have to realize that as an impulsive species, uh, we can sometimes overdo things and put ourselves at risk, going overboard, uh, on some of these things, thereby throwing you out of a healthy zone, thinking you're doing good when you're not, or pounding down some a supplement that somebody told you is good, and it's not working. So, so again, you need knowledgeable caregivers that will tell you, "No, don't do that. Stay on this. Do." Because right now, it's like the Wild West. Oh, this guy, you know, he, you know, he said to eat, eat dry toads, and this guy over here said to drink goat's urine, you know, and, oh yeah, I'm going to drink goat's urine now, get rid of my. It's true. I have papers showing this stuff, you know. Um, yeah, people, people have no scientific literacy. A lot of them are functionally illiterate. You, you've got to work with the, with the, with the masses to help educate them and the physicians that are treating them. That's the thing. Like, if you're sick in this healthcare system, um, it's pretty hard because it's pretty hard to find a physician that will understand the disease and where it comes from. People aren't like you, Professor Seaf Freed. Yeah, but they, they, but they should be trained in medical schools to know this. And when they, no, they're told it's a genetic disease. I know. But like, even when people have a blood test done, and you go see a traditional doctor, and they'll just, because I do a ketogenic diet, the number one thing that they're going to say is, my B12 is too high, cholesterol is too high. I'm just like, are you kidding? Can we like get over this LDL and cholesterol and all these different things? They don't get it. Well, I, I, I, we used in the mice, we, we found it's triglycerides, uh, is the key. My triglycerides are so low. That's the thing. You're not, you're not 400 pounds, your eyes squeezed shut, you know, uh, with a, with a GKI or 500. Um, you need a wheelchair to get around. Uh, you're, you're, you're not healthy. Okay. The guy sitting in a wheelchair at, at 45 years old, weighing 400 pounds, with a, with a GKI of 600. Now, he's not healthy, you know. Um, uh, but yet, that's what we're seeing all over the world. We're starting to see this. And, uh, and then they pound them full of pills, take this and that, and then, you know, rather than, and now we have all these weight loss things. What is it? Uh, Optivo, Jardians, and all this, and nobody knows what the hell's going to happen to people taking that stuff for 12 or 14 years, you know, all of a sudden, you know, your body is completely different. Get off the pills, and all of a sudden everything explodes back at you again. You know, um, but that's the quick and easy way. That's who we are as well. Uh, we don't want any inconvenience or discomfort. We just want a quick fix, a pill. I take this pill. So, I said, with ketogenic metabolic therapy, yeah, take this pill with a cup of water, uh, twice a day, and that's all you take. This tiny little pill with a cup of water for three weeks, no food. All of a sudden, wow, that pill really works, doesn't it? But it's hard.

Professor Seaf Freed, thank you so much for your time. I mean, I think the more and more that you do this, more and more people are hearing about the metabolic therapy, and it's going to change, you know, things change over time. Takes about a few decades, but it's going to change. I know it takes two, but the, the sad thing is, we have to sacrifice, uh, all these poor folks. In the United States, it's 1,700 a day, 70 an hour, dying from cancer. So, that's the tragedy. It, it doesn't have to be this way. Um, until the system changes, we're not going to make any major advances. So, people should know that, um, uh, once they realize it's a mitochondrial metabolic disease, we're going to drop the death rate, uh, precipitously, quite, quite effectively. And, yeah, it might take five or seven years or something like this, but it'll happen. No question about it. It's going to happen.

Well, thank you so much for your time. I'm sure that we're going to see you very, very soon. Keep doing your amazing work. Oh, thank you very much. Nice to be here. Thank you for joining me today on this episode with Professor Thomas C. Freed. If you'd like to know more information about metabolic therapy, simply go to the description of this episode, click on how to prevent cancer, open that up, and you'll see all the information there about metabolic therapy. If you're learning from enjoying these free episodes, please hit the subscribe button. You can also find me on other social media accounts. I'm on Instagram and on X under the name of the Primal Podcast. Now, if you love this episode, you'll enjoy another episode I did with Dr. Philip Ovedia. We spoke about everything the heart, how to fix your heart and prevent heart disease. We spoke about why red meat is so important, why you should not worry about cholesterol and LDL, and why your LDL can increase on a carnivore diet. Finally, thank you for your interest in root cause healing, and I'll see you next.